upgrades for v6 magnum engine
From : glytter77
Q: im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird .
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From : roy
to answer the other question my husband says that it is and electric clutch fan. electric clutch fan damn im getting old. what will they think of next. .
From : roy
fyi i owned 2 dodge neons. i use my truck to haul pharmaceuticals. i cant fit 68 totes in a dodge neon. id suggest you get all of your information before suggesting stuff. i drive 200 miles a day. i was just looking for a little more gas mileage not a miracle. sorry if you cant seem to understand it. i will unsubscribe to this group because you cant seem to do anything but make sarcastic remarks. sorry to bother such smart men as you all! glytter you recieved a answer and a question which you ingnored. now your upset oh save the money youd spend on the cold air intake. the gettin isnt worth the goin imo. my sympathy to your husband. if you would try to be as helpful as you are sarcastic then you might actually help someone. my husband doesnt need anything from you. im sure he has waaaay toooo much of you!g .
From : carolina watercraft works
then why did you ask for him -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels fyi i owned 2 dodge neons. i use my truck to haul pharmaceuticals. i cant fit 68 totes in a dodge neon. id suggest you get all of your information before suggesting stuff. i drive 200 miles a day. i was just looking for a little more gas mileage not a miracle. sorry if you cant seem to understand it. i will unsubscribe to this group because you cant seem to do anything but make sarcastic remarks. sorry to bother such smart men as you all! glytter you recieved a answer and a question which you ingnored. now your upset oh save the money youd spend on the cold air intake. the gettin isnt worth the goin imo. my sympathy to your husband. if you would try to be as helpful as you are sarcastic then you might actually help someone. my husband doesnt need anything from you. .
From : glytter77
fyi i owned 2 dodge neons. i use my truck to haul pharmaceuticals. i cant fit 68 totes in a dodge neon. id suggest you get all of your information before suggesting stuff. i drive 200 miles a day. i was just looking for a little more gas mileage not a miracle. sorry if you cant seem to understand it. i will unsubscribe to this group because you cant seem to do anything but make sarcastic remarks. sorry to bother such smart men as you all! glytter you recieved a answer and a question which you ingnored. now your upset oh save the money youd spend on the cold air intake. the gettin isnt worth the goin imo. my sympathy to your husband. if you would try to be as helpful as you are sarcastic then you might actually help someone. my husband doesnt need anything from you. .
From : carolina watercraft works
looks like this http//www.littlemini.us/gallerypix/mth/dscn0773.jpg they are easy to use. or like someone else saidyou can go to autozone and ask them to connect a reader to get the trouble codes for youwhich they should do for free. although they are not allowed to clear the codesyou have to have that done yourselfwhich you can do with your own reader . 222 344990 ftzik.7540$dp6.3840@big1.bellsouth.net my sympathy to your husband. roflmao -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels fyi i owned 2 dodge neons. i use my truck to haul pharmaceuticals. i cant fit 68 totes in a dodge neon. id suggest you get all of your information before suggesting stuff. i drive 200 miles a day. i was just looking for a little more gas mileage not a miracle. sorry if you cant seem to understand it. i will unsubscribe to this group because you cant seem to do anything but make sarcastic remarks. sorry to bother such smart men as you all! glytter you recieved a answer and a question which you ingnored. now your upset oh save the money youd spend on the cold air intake. the gettin isnt worth the goin imo. my sympathy to your husband. .
From : roy
fyi i owned 2 dodge neons. i use my truck to haul pharmaceuticals. i cant fit 68 totes in a dodge neon. id suggest you get all of your information before suggesting stuff. i drive 200 miles a day. i was just looking for a little more gas mileage not a miracle. sorry if you cant seem to understand it. i will unsubscribe to this group because you cant seem to do anything but make sarcastic remarks. sorry to bother such smart men as you all! glytter you recieved a answer and a question which you ingnored. now your upset oh save the money youd spend on the cold air intake. the gettin isnt worth the goin imo. my sympathy to your husband. .
From : glytter77
fyi i owned 2 dodge neons. i use my truck to haul pharmaceuticals. i cant fit 68 totes in a dodge neon. id suggest you get all of your information before suggesting stuff. i drive 200 miles a day. i was just looking for a little more gas mileage not a miracle. sorry if you cant seem to understand it. i will unsubscribe to this group because you cant seem to do anything but make sarcastic remarks. sorry to bother such smart men as you all! glytter sorry to bother you on this. guess i will get my info from somewhere else. these guys just like to poke fun glytter. dont take that stuff too seriously. if you didnt pick it up its either an electric-motor driven fan or an engine-driven fan with a viscous clutch on it. if its driven by a belt its not an electric fan. ken guys once again not trying to sound rude or condescending but this collective does not sound like they need to be modding a vehicle. i have never seen an electric clutch fan either. glytter it is a truck if you really want better fuel mileage then you are going to have to start driving a dodge neon instead of a dodge truck. most mods are designed to add power not mileage for a truck. some of these mods will add a little mileage if you drive like a grandma but most of us stick our feet in it just a little harder once we realize a tad more horsepower. you can read all kinds of figures and claims from aftermarket manufacturers but dont buy into the magical silver bullet sales pitch. as competative as the vehicle market is if a major truck manufacturer could make their truck get significantly better mileage thatn the other guys these features would come installed at the factory. it is called free market competition. buy yourself a smart car for commuting and only drive the truck when you *need* a truck if fuel mileage is that big of a concern. myself i like the comfort of my big extended cab truck with a v8 and 11 mpg is the price i pay for that comfort. b.t.w. if you are going to wander into groups a thick skin is required. good luck michael .
From : nunya
sorry to bother you on this. guess i will get my info from somewhere else. these guys just like to poke fun glytter. dont take that stuff too seriously. if you didnt pick it up its either an electric-motor driven fan or an engine-driven fan with a viscous clutch on it. if its driven by a belt its not an electric fan. ken guys once again not trying to sound rude or condescending but this collective does not sound like they need to be modding a vehicle. i have never seen an electric clutch fan either. glytter it is a truck if you really want better fuel mileage then you are going to have to start driving a dodge neon instead of a dodge truck. most mods are designed to add power not mileage for a truck. some of these mods will add a little mileage if you drive like a grandma but most of us stick our feet in it just a little harder once we realize a tad more horsepower. you can read all kinds of figures and claims from aftermarket manufacturers but dont buy into the magical silver bullet sales pitch. as competative as the vehicle market is if a major truck manufacturer could make their truck get significantly better mileage thatn the other guys these features would come installed at the factory. it is called free market competition. buy yourself a smart car for commuting and only drive the truck when you *need* a truck if fuel mileage is that big of a concern. myself i like the comfort of my big extended cab truck with a v8 and 11 mpg is the price i pay for that comfort. b.t.w. if you are going to wander into groups a thick skin is required. good luck michael .
From : mac davis
on wed 23 jul 2008 091322 -0400 nunya nunya@nunya.net wrote im getting about 15-20% increase with the fan setup. snip back in my serious hotrodding days i used a lot of electric fans. they let me down on a couple of occasions but watching the temp gauge keeps it from becoming critical. lots of smaller marginalized vehicles use electric fans. i shy away from them now because i have marginalized all of my electrical systems. all of my trucks have at least two or three high power ham radios and the necessary amps to throw out my signal. add to this at least two stereo amps powering massive sound systems in each truck g.p.s. onboard laptop computers and an array of other gadgets and i have each amp calculated and there is no headroom left to add anything. in fact i have to add at least two big capacitors into the systems of each truck to meet peak demand at times. michael wow.. time for a honda generator lol mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : nunya
im getting about 15-20% increase with the fan setup. snip back in my serious hotrodding days i used a lot of electric fans. they let me down on a couple of occasions but watching the temp gauge keeps it from becoming critical. lots of smaller marginalized vehicles use electric fans. i shy away from them now because i have marginalized all of my electrical systems. all of my trucks have at least two or three high power ham radios and the necessary amps to throw out my signal. add to this at least two stereo amps powering massive sound systems in each truck g.p.s. onboard laptop computers and an array of other gadgets and i have each amp calculated and there is no headroom left to add anything. in fact i have to add at least two big capacitors into the systems of each truck to meet peak demand at times. michael .
From : nunya
i tend to agree with you. on another note nunya...not sure if i asked you this before but do you play an online game called dfx by chance i dont play any games. not enough time for that. michael .
From : glytter77
sorry to bother you on this. guess i will get my info from somewhere else. i agree.....that must be one of those super dooper hybrid fans that mr. jetson designed. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels to answer the other question my husband says that it is and electric clutch fan. electric clutch fan damn im getting old. what will they think of next. .
From : carolina watercraft works
i agree.....that must be one of those super dooper hybrid fans that mr. jetson designed. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels to answer the other question my husband says that it is and electric clutch fan. electric clutch fan damn im getting old. what will they think of next. .
From : glytter77
to answer the other question my husband says that it is and electric clutch fan. im getting about 15-20% increase with the fan setup. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels just as an fyi... im a female if you cant figure it out by the nick name. and any upgrades will be done by my husband. i was just looking for some information. snip i dont think this guy is qualified to do any upgrades. if he cant even figure out what a engine cooling fan is and if it has any relationship to the transmission. for the op. keep the tires inflated properly have a tune up and drive the speed limit. take the savings from not buying a bunch of upgrades and buy a few tanks of fuel. michael ahhh i wasnt paying that close of attention to the ops name just the topic. my advice stays the same though. mods may get you miniscule increases in mileage but very seldom will they be big enough to warrant the expense. good maintenance and driving habits are where the real savings are at. michael .
From : carolina watercraft works
im getting about 15-20% increase with the fan setup. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels just as an fyi... im a female if you cant figure it out by the nick name. and any upgrades will be done by my husband. i was just looking for some information. snip i dont think this guy is qualified to do any upgrades. if he cant even figure out what a engine cooling fan is and if it has any relationship to the transmission. for the op. keep the tires inflated properly have a tune up and drive the speed limit. take the savings from not buying a bunch of upgrades and buy a few tanks of fuel. michael ahhh i wasnt paying that close of attention to the ops name just the topic. my advice stays the same though. mods may get you miniscule increases in mileage but very seldom will they be big enough to warrant the expense. good maintenance and driving habits are where the real savings are at. michael .
From : nunya
just as an fyi... im a female if you cant figure it out by the nick name. and any upgrades will be done by my husband. i was just looking for some information. snip i dont think this guy is qualified to do any upgrades. if he cant even figure out what a engine cooling fan is and if it has any relationship to the transmission. for the op. keep the tires inflated properly have a tune up and drive the speed limit. take the savings from not buying a bunch of upgrades and buy a few tanks of fuel. michael ahhh i wasnt paying that close of attention to the ops name just the topic. my advice stays the same though. mods may get you miniscule increases in mileage but very seldom will they be big enough to warrant the expense. good maintenance and driving habits are where the real savings are at. michael .
From : glytter77
i asked for me not him. i was just trying to get a few ideas. i didnt want the bs! then why did you ask for him -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels fyi i owned 2 dodge neons. i use my truck to haul pharmaceuticals. i cant fit 68 totes in a dodge neon. id suggest you get all of your information before suggesting stuff. i drive 200 miles a day. i was just looking for a little more gas mileage not a miracle. sorry if you cant seem to understand it. i will unsubscribe to this group because you cant seem to do anything but make sarcastic remarks. sorry to bother such smart men as you all! glytter you recieved a answer and a question which you ingnored. now your upset oh save the money youd spend on the cold air intake. the gettin isnt worth the goin imo. my sympathy to your husband. if you would try to be as helpful as you are sarcastic then you might actually help someone. my husband doesnt need anything from you. .
From : napalmheart
i asked for me not him. i was just trying to get a few ideas. i didnt want the bs! in usenet the bs is often part of the total package. ken .
From : carolina watercraft works
look at the cooling fan behind the radiator. does it have a belt running to it that connects to the other items on the motor or is it electric and have wires running to a motor if you have a manual clutch on the fan run by the motor then switching to an electric fan setup will free up some hp and give you better economy. it doesnt add hp....but you will feel more. less work for the motor = increased economy. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels if i knew the answer id tell u. the transmission has nothing to do with the fan. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels its an automatic transmission. does that have a manual clutch fan or electric -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird .
From : carolina watercraft works
the transmission has nothing to do with the fan. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels its an automatic transmission. does that have a manual clutch fan or electric -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird .
From : glytter77
just as an fyi... im a female if you cant figure it out by the nick name. and any upgrades will be done by my husband. i was just looking for some information. look at the cooling fan behind the radiator. does it have a belt running to it that connects to the other items on the motor or is it electric and have wires running to a motor if you have a manual clutch on the fan run by the motor then switching to an electric fan setup will free up some hp and give you better economy. it doesnt add hp....but you will feel more. less work for the motor = increased economy. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels i dont think this guy is qualified to do any upgrades. if he cant even figure out what a engine cooling fan is and if it has any relationship to the transmission. for the op. keep the tires inflated properly have a tune up and drive the speed limit. take the savings from not buying a bunch of upgrades and buy a few tanks of fuel. michael .
From : carolina watercraft works
gotcha i use it as a stress release for the complexities of life myself. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels i tend to agree with you. on another note nunya...not sure if i asked you this before but do you play an online game called dfx by chance i dont play any games. not enough time for that. michael .
From : carolina watercraft works
i tend to agree with you. on another note nunya...not sure if i asked you this before but do you play an online game called dfx by chance -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels look at the cooling fan behind the radiator. does it have a belt running to it that connects to the other items on the motor or is it electric and have wires running to a motor if you have a manual clutch on the fan run by the motor then switching to an electric fan setup will free up some hp and give you better economy. it doesnt add hp....but you will feel more. less work for the motor = increased economy. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels i dont think this guy is qualified to do any upgrades. if he cant even figure out what a engine cooling fan is and if it has any relationship to the transmission. for the op. keep the tires inflated properly have a tune up and drive the speed limit. take the savings from not buying a bunch of upgrades and buy a few tanks of fuel. michael .
From : nunya
look at the cooling fan behind the radiator. does it have a belt running to it that connects to the other items on the motor or is it electric and have wires running to a motor if you have a manual clutch on the fan run by the motor then switching to an electric fan setup will free up some hp and give you better economy. it doesnt add hp....but you will feel more. less work for the motor = increased economy. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels i dont think this guy is qualified to do any upgrades. if he cant even figure out what a engine cooling fan is and if it has any relationship to the transmission. for the op. keep the tires inflated properly have a tune up and drive the speed limit. take the savings from not buying a bunch of upgrades and buy a few tanks of fuel. michael .
From : john h guillory
on wed 16 jul 2008 112032 -0400 carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote get rid of as much extra weight as you can. you telling him to go on a diet or something hehehe dont be silly hes saying to drop all the un-used stuff off the side of the truck while driving down the interstate.... you know like tires on diagnal sides only needed when you stop if you can keep the speed up and balance your load properly..... the engine only needed for taking off or when some clutz hits the brake..... the passenger seat the bed the hood the fenders the bumper.... the tailgate.... actually youd save a lot of time just buying a sheet of plywood 4 of those coaster wheels that screw-on and either a large rubber band or a rope to tow from another vehichle to get up speed to about 90 mph on the interstate.... once up to speed just yell get out of the way you moron! and wear leather folks will think your in the hellsangels.... oh yeah i almost forgot.... to be street legal you need to have a friend screw in your license plate to your butt and you better carry your registration papers and insurance papers with you.... .
From : glytter77
i have a camper shell on it due to me hauling stuff in it for work. the tires are the same as the stock tires. when i got new ones i didnt change the size any. glytter77 wrote im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird -- first make sure the engine is in good tune - plugs wires cap rotor coil. nothing fancy there just good quality stock replacement parts. i generally use bosch and autolite. remove the throttle body and give it a good cleaning. a capaciter ignition like msd crane mallory etc might gain you 1-2mpg but dont count on it. keep the tailgate up and use a flat bed cover of some kind. caps tend to decrease mileage. what tires do you have oversized and off road tires can really suck fuel. get rid of as much extra weight as you can. -------- .bob 2006 fxdi hot rod 2008 mustang coupe - 32mpg 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .
From : glytter77
its an automatic transmission. does that have a manual clutch fan or electric -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird .
From : carolina watercraft works
get rid of as much extra weight as you can. you telling him to go on a diet or something hehehe -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels glytter77 wrote im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird -- first make sure the engine is in good tune - plugs wires cap rotor coil. nothing fancy there just good quality stock replacement parts. i generally use bosch and autolite. remove the throttle body and give it a good cleaning. a capaciter ignition like msd crane mallory etc might gain you 1-2mpg but dont count on it. keep the tailgate up and use a flat bed cover of some kind. caps tend to decrease mileage. what tires do you have oversized and off road tires can really suck fuel. get rid of as much extra weight as you can. -------- .bob 2006 fxdi hot rod 2008 mustang coupe - 32mpg 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .
From : steve w
..bob wrote glytter77 wrote im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird good tune up with stock parts. make sure the tires are in good shape and inflated to the proper pressure. dont bother with the cold air kit. the stock system flows far more air than the engine will ever use and draws it from outside the engine compartment. 99% of the cold air kits get the air from inside the engine compartment which is not a good place to find cold air. remove any crap that causes extra drag if possible. things like roof mounted light bars front visors and such. learn how to drive for better economy. plan your trips so you dont backtrack or make needless trips. dont expect miracles. for the most part a truck is a truck and your not going to get high mileage driving a brick around. -- steve w. .
From : bob
glytter77 wrote im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird -- first make sure the engine is in good tune - plugs wires cap rotor coil. nothing fancy there just good quality stock replacement parts. i generally use bosch and autolite. remove the throttle body and give it a good cleaning. a capaciter ignition like msd crane mallory etc might gain you 1-2mpg but dont count on it. keep the tailgate up and use a flat bed cover of some kind. caps tend to decrease mileage. what tires do you have oversized and off road tires can really suck fuel. get rid of as much extra weight as you can. -------- ..bob 2006 fxdi hot rod 2008 mustang coupe - 32mpg 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .
From : glytter77
if i knew the answer id tell u. the transmission has nothing to do with the fan. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels its an automatic transmission. does that have a manual clutch fan or electric -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird .
From : ed medlin ed edmedlin com
im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird performance electronics like mopars performance computer dual exhaust intake spacer performance/type intake and filter synthetic lubricating fluids msd or comparable ignition system........and the one that will help the most...........a light foot........-. ed .
From : carolina watercraft works
does that have a manual clutch fan or electric -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels im looking for a few upgrades for my 04 dakota 3.7 liter v6 magnum engine. im looking for a cold air intake and anything to help boost my gas mileage. i know that im probably not going to get much but anything has got to help. any suggestions thanks glytter77 04 dakota v6 01 mustang gt convertible 01 firebird formula 71 firebird .
From : mac davisnapalmheart
on mon 10 mar 2008 215153 -0400 tbone noway@nothere.com wrote hey mac what is going on with rec.woodworking well fuel is cheap here but my main thing with a little diesel is reliability and low maintenance.. and lots of torque at low rpms doesnt hurt.. its not here. now the price for diesel is 3.85 to 3.99 a gallon. im glad i decided to wait and not buy one last year. not sure what diesel is here but folks have been bitching that unleaded just went up to about $235 a gallon.. the wreck is alive and well.. probably averages about 200 posts a day.. i guess that its my pos server. they still carry the group but not a single post in it. ive been really happy with apn... the $2.95 is worth it imo... mac please remove splinters before emailing . 222 344959 tswdneinml0gbxvnz2dnuvztjinz2d@posted.eaglecomputertechnology sorry to bother you on this. guess i will get my info from somewhere else. these guys just like to poke fun glytter. dont take that stuff too seriously. if you didnt pick it up its either an electric-motor driven fan or an engine-driven fan with a viscous clutch on it. if its driven by a belt its not an electric fan. ken .