technicians - thought for the day
From : j drum
Q: nothing fuzzy about it you might want to pull out the 4th grade math book the one with dick and jane and spot on it and do some reading from what i am reading from you here i can see that dick and jane is about as far as you got in your education. then ask yourself is this a true statement 0.03 / 0.02 = 1.5 yes or no sure it does but the real question is what does .03 and .02 stand for on their own and the answer is nothing at all. and if they stand for nothing as is what in the hell does the 1.5 you get by dividing them stand for i think that you will find the answer is the same as the last one nothing. for this reason alone it either shows a failure in your logic or that you are a graduate in the gwb fuzzy math academy. your calculation is nothing more than a percentage of a percentage and when you do that you lose just about all valid meaning. for the momory-impaired such as yourself 0.03 stands for amount of dirt 3 % allowed to pass by a k&n and 0.02 2% is the amount passed by an oem filter therefore a k&n pases 150 % or 50 % more dirt than an oem get up to speed will ya once again your logic fails. as i said you are taking a percentage of percentages which has no valid meaning in itself. then on top of that your wording is wrong. if we were to use your logic it would let in 150% as much dirt as a paper filter not more than a paper one. if it was 150% more then it would be allowing 2 .5 times the dirt as paper and this is not true. it lets in up to 1.5 times as much dirt but when you look at how little dirt the paper element lets in 1.5 times just about nothing is still just about nothing. any way that you want to look at it from a valid baseline the k&n will allow up to 1% more dirt in than a high quality paper filter big deal. yes and that 1 % is 50 per cent more lol yes but it is still fuzzy math because there is no way to know if this huge difference is because the k&n is really bad or that the paper filter is really good. you want it to make the k&n sound horrible when in fact it is damn close to the paper filter only 1% less effective wrong einstein it passes 50% more dirt than an oem 0.03 / 0.02 = 1.50 and still within factory spec.. btw now you are saying 50% more when befor it was 150% more. make up your mind or at least get your english correct. you know when i have to re-phrase it so even you can understand it then its time for you to admit youre in over your head therefore a k&n passes 150 % as much as or 50 % more dirt than an oem reduced to semantic flames are you youre really too easy........................ .
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From : roy
thanks for the replys. i wish all automakers had keep the generic method for the codes. thanks .
From : brent d
transurgeon wrote my point was that you wouldnt say 3 cents is 50 cents more than 2 cents. you would say 3 cents is 50% more than 2 cents that is what i have been saying all along. the cents are parts of a dollar but they are presented as whole numbers and compared as a percentage of each other. i have no problem with that. when you try to compare percentages of something the % symbol expresses a portion of the whole where it is first used for the entire statment. 3 is 50% more than 2. 3% is 1% more than 2%. no saying that 3 is 50% more than 2 is imprecise instead say that 3 is fifty percent larger than 2 and yes 3 % is 1 % more than 2 % more than indicates that all numbers in a statement are in the same units; subtraction in other words larger than indicates that a comparison has been made; usually by way of a ratio i can live with that. wholly shit we agree on something! or shoud that be we agree about something .
From : webmaster carolinabreezehvac com
180 yards huh maybe you are the idiot that everyone on this group says you are. lyin sack o shit. probably never picked up a golf club or a wrench for that matter in your entire life. funny you mention it i can drive 180 yards with my putter 270 with my 5w. you must be like an independent cant go far even with the right tools. brent .
From : webmaster carolinabreezehvac com
transurgeon wrote saying that 3 is 50% more than 2 is imprecise instead say that 3 is fifty percent larger than 2 and yes 3 % is 1 % more than 2 % more than indicates that all numbers in a statement are in the same units; subtraction in other words larger than indicates that a comparison has been made; usually by way of a ratio i can live with that. wholly shit we agree on something! or shoud that be we agree about something holy f*ing shit ! how about we agree amongst ourselves about something now...........................can you explain the concept to bonehead .
From : j drum
sorry - should have been more precise... that sensor is located near the rear of the transmission bolted to the side. relatively inexpensive and easy to replace. recently my durango abs & brake light and check engine light came on. speedometer would not register until over 20mph. i found out the rear wheel speed sensor needed to be replaced. i replaced relatively easy $20 part. once installed the abs & brake light went off but the check engine light remained on and the speedometer does not work at all. does anyone know what this is caused by .
From : tbone
on tue 19 apr 2005 235059 -0600 drgn1400@webtv.net brent d wrote tom you almost made sense had i wished to understand your response. so decide which group you fall in; 12 or 3 4 is not an option since we all know that i am a pompous ass for pointing out the freebies that customers want or else they would not be on the ng. thereby being in group four would place you in the freebie group. you dont have to respond to my post by being and ass tom we dealer employees of this ng already know what group you fall in. no need to prove it. brent i think most poeple just pointed out that you are a pompous ass or really just an ass period. it had nothing to do with your pointing out something to do with freebies. you are being too kind to yourself. as i said before i have no idea what crawled up your ass and died but you are one seriously sad man. .
From : brent d
tbone wrote so what it still only passes 1% more dirt in total volume than the oem any way that you try to spin it. nope. if an oem allows 1000 grams of dirt through after a certain amount of time how much would the k&n just 1% meaning 1010 grams it allows 50% more through not 1%. your baseline for comparison is incorrectly the total amount of dirt rather than the amount allowed through. the point of all this is that the k&ns are crap. if you like em then use em. if you dont then why the whining sorry miles but you got either your math or logic all wrong here. the one percent is in relation to the total volume not what the oem blocks. if the oem blocked passed 1000 grams at 2% then it faced a total of 50000 grams in your given period of time. if the k&n was 1% less efficient iow 3% it would pass 1500 grams during the same period of time. like i said over and over and over and over.... there is nothing wrong with garys math as far as math goes it is just fuzzy in the fact that it make the k&n seem much worse than it really is like in holy crap 50% worse. i do have one but i doubt that i will buy another. i guess that depends on what vehicle i get next and how efficient the stock air filtration system is. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : Annonymous
funny you mention it i can drive 180 yards with my putter 270 with my 5w. you must be like an independent cant go far even with the right tools. brent .
From : Annonymous
does my 04 ram 1500 have an electric brake controller connection under the dash it did not have a tow package from factory but i had the dealer install the hitch and the 7-pin receptacle in the rear. now i have a trailer with electric brakes and will need a controller. .
From : carolina watercraft works inc
i understand what he said but if they want to get more than warranty work then they have to do what i said and so far they are not doing it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving carolina watercraft works inc. loballeng@mindspring.com wrote in keyword he used was warranty work. warranty work does not sufficiently compensate for the actual amount of time required to complete most tasks. with warranty work you get what the factory says and nothing more. if it actually requires 5 hours to complete a task the oem pays 3 hours for....you choke on the rest. -- laszlo almasi carolina watercraft works inc. in the battle between money and love money will always triumph then charge a competitive rate or prove that you are worth the higher rate and you will win the business. unfortunately most dealerships have done neither. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving heres something to consider
From : tbone
tbone wrote damn close to the paper filter only 1% less effective wrong einstein nope. paper filter at 2% k&n at 3%. 3 - 2 still equals 1 the last time i checked it out. 3-2 = 1 like i said. 3 % - 2 % = 1 % exactly!!! which means that the k&n is 1% less effective than the oem like i repeatedly said. learn to handle percentages before you make an even larger ass of yourself if thats possible lol sorry gary but it is you that needs to learn how to accurately use percentages rather that the distorted fuzzy math way you currently do. it passes 50% more dirt than an oem 0.03 / 0.02 = 1.50 so what it still only passes 1% more dirt in total volume than the oem any way that you try to spin it. who mentioned total volume the numbers you are basing your distorted calculations on are based on total volume. what you are comming up with is meaningless bs. i was talking about relative filtering ability i understand that but when you are talking about high effeciency the number that you come up with is a distorted value that really means nothing. but thats probably beyond your comprehension no i have a full comprehension on how you are trying to distort the actual capabilities of the k&n with your fuzzy math. perhaps you need to comprehend the definition of fuzzy math although i believe that you are fully aware of its meaning. and still within factory spec.. btw now you are saying 50% more when befor it was 150% more. make up your mind or at least get your english correct. you know when i have to re-phrase it so even you can understand it then its time for you to admit youre in over your head it is not a matter of re-phrasing it it is more of a matter of stating it correctly. there really is a big difference between 50% more and 150% more like a 100% difference. it really seems like with so many other times the one over his head happens to be you. btw where exactly is that clockspring it depends on the vehicle therefore a k&n passes 150 % as much as or 50 % more dirt than an oem while true it is still meaningless unless you know exactly how much the oem passes thru and once you realize that an oem lets just about nothing thru 150% of just about nothing is still just about nothing. jesus f christ taking the lords name in vain is a sin you know. must i repeat yet again the numbers that this is based upon the numbers that it is based upon are already percentages that at least have some valid nmeaning. what you are calculating has no real value. reduced to semantic flames are you perhaps ypu should look up the definition of semantics before you fire up your accusations. this is not a matter of semantics becuaes what you said is simply wrong. face up to it for a change. tell me what is incorrect about 3 % / 2 % = 150 % go ahead fermat have at it that is not what is incorrect. what was incorrect was that you said the k&n allowed 150% more dirt into the engine which is completely incorrect. while this was fun for a while now it is getting tiresome so feel free to believe what you will. while the k&n is slightly less efficient at capturing dirt than an oem filter it does have less restriction to airflow and provided that both filters are within factory specs it is up to the owner of the vehicle to determine which property is more desirable. t bone think of it in simpler terms disregard the percentages lets say for argument sake that a k&n filter lets in 3 pieces of dirt lets say the regular air filter lets in 2 the difference between the amount each lets in is 1.5 pieces of dirt 2 x 1.5 = 3 1.5 pieces of dirt = 50% of the total dirt allowed by the k&n more than the paper filter so the k&n filter does not allow 1% more dirt but 50% more...does this make sense now .
From : tbone
on mon 18 apr 2005 192753 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote nothing fuzzy about it you might want to pull out the 4th grade math book the one with dick and jane and spot on it and do some reading from what i am reading from you here i can see that dick and jane is about as far as you got in your education. then ask yourself is this a true statement 0.03 / 0.02 = 1.5 yes or no sure it does but the real question is what does .03 and .02 stand for on their own and the answer is nothing at all. and if they stand for nothing as is what in the hell does the 1.5 you get by dividing them stand for i think that you will find the answer is the same as the last one nothing. for this reason alone it either shows a failure in your logic or that you are a graduate in the gwb fuzzy math academy. your calculation is nothing more than a percentage of a percentage and when you do that you lose just about all valid meaning. for the momory-impaired such as yourself 0.03 stands for amount of dirt 3 % allowed to pass by a k&n and 0.02 2% is the amount passed by an oem filter therefore a k&n pases 150 % or 50 % more dirt than an oem get up to speed will ya once again your logic fails. as i said you are taking a percentage of percentages which has no valid meaning in itself. then on top of that your wording is wrong. if we were to use your logic it would let in 150% as much dirt as a paper filter not more than a paper one. if it was 150% more then it would be allowing 2 .5 times the dirt as paper and this is not true. it lets in up to 1.5 times as much dirt but when you look at how little dirt the paper element lets in 1.5 times just about nothing is still just about nothing. any way that you want to look at it from a valid baseline the k&n will allow up to 1% more dirt in than a high quality paper filter big deal. fwiw i fully understand transsurgeons math and logic it is correct. how you choose to interpret and apply it is up to you. i can hardly believe you are arguing about it... i am arguing about it because it is a load of shit. while the math may be correct it does not provide a valid representation of the truth. you are showing either ignorance or a closed mind when you say a percentage of a percentage is meaningless. how about a fraction of a fraction or a decimal divided by a decimal. a percentage is simply a fraction where the denominator is 100 and as such can be divided multiplied added and subtracted. hahahahahahahahahaha you are joking right!!!! a decimal and a fraction are simple numeric values and have no meaning on their own. when attached to a standard unit of measure or quantity then they have a clear meaning on their own. because they are actual values further mathematical function can be performed on them with no loss of meaning. a percent is a calculated relationship between two of these quantities and has no definitive or clear meaning without knowing the values it was calculated from and using them in further calculations simply further abstracts what the numbers actually stand for so your comparison is about as invalid as garys. jesus christ you are one dense person sorry gary but that would be you. its been stated over and over that a k&n allows 3% of the dirt to pass and an oem allows 2% of the dirt to pass that is right and as by the total volume of dirt alloud to pass the kand n allows 1% more any possible way that you try to spin it. get with the program will ya i did. when are you going to start or keep showing your ignorance thats funnier sorry gary but the only ignorant one here is you. if the paper element allows 2% and the k&n 3% the k&n will allow 50% more dirt than the paper. if the paper element allows n amount of dirt to pass the k&n will allow n x 1.5 or 150% when compared to the *total* allowed by the paper element. because it is a meaningless value. who really cares about this relationship its only real purpose is to distort the reality of how much more actual dirt the k&n filter lets in. 50 % more einstein yes but 50% more of what you moron!!!!! your calculation is based on the efficiency of the paper filter and if your paper filter was 100% efficient then your calculation would be mathematicall impossible which makes it meaningless pretty much as it is now. what could be simpler how about the clear truth as in the paper filter is 1% better and both are within factory spec. youre just too easy.................. keep telling yourself that. maybe someday you may actually beleive it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : webmaster carolinabreezehvac com
there will be no more posts under the name brent d. wanna bet this is the result of a discovery that someone is capable of posting pornographic posts under my name. a webtv user discovers usenet....oh my.... whine whine whine.. this e-mail and name will be deleted. so we do not need this crap in the ng. anymore posts under the name brent d are simply not mine. a simple header check can prove that or otherwise... you crack me up man... this post was made under the supervision of a lawyer. omfg....man..you got me in teh floor now...of a real live lawyer a webtv attorney a dealership attorney lol...omg...toooooooo damn funny... hey..tell your attorney you suck for me will ya any further posts made under the name brent d will be further investigated. aint a thing you can do brent baby.... while i dont approve of someone doing that aint a thing you can do....of course if you really had a lawyer your attorney could read the headers pull the isp information and tell you who did it. but then....since you dont have one ya cant exactly do that now can you brent .