talked to Michele (DodgeEwe)
From : dodgeewe dodgeewe
Q: didnt mean to come across nastily. just that people that know me know that i wouldnt buy a foreign vehicle except maybe a motorcycle! -michele ; -- dodgeewe wrote yeah youre full of shit bob. i would never ever buy a pos toyota. still have the ram. taking me through this horrible nasty snow! -michele ; -- bigironram wrote from nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com date 2/2/2005 1213 pm central standard time i may be wrong about him but his post just has too many of the signs. the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. michelle doesnt ring a bell. brent might be able to help us out here. oh yeah id managed to forget about good ol dd. brent has given good advice here in the past dd was less than useless. michelle used to use dodgeewe as her handle in here. sandman nate used to call her dodgebabe. there was another aoler in here who used to keep up with her named mark cant remember his handle right now. anybody else remember folks like rabbit no not denny teameuromeko sgt. rock carlos litl jay lee brian fitch and a bunch of others i cant think of right now nobody needs to take offense i wasnt lumping you all together just rattling off names as i recalled them. robert i remember her. i was here way back then too. she ended up selling her ram at a huge loss and bought a toyota i think it was. i also remember nate back then too. but i cant remember her real name either. bob well it was a long time ago. i guess i had the wrong person. sorry. but i do remember you. is it that time of the month or something bob .
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From : dodgeewe dodgeewe
denny wrote roy wrote pats by 14 roy rootin for the iggles to lose by less than that maybe even eek out a win. still 0-0 right now. so far so good. talk about a defensive first half.... im thinking the scoring is gonna happen the 4th qtr. well it happened. 21-14 pats 1344 in the 4th. .
From : dodgeewe dodgeewe
hey did i steer you wrong when you bought the pt cruiser nah mark i had already made up my mind to get it. i have this thing for vehicles that have a unique look. and for vehicles that look like they have muscle. i go to the autoshow tomorrow and well see what i have my heart set on next! -michele ; .
From : dodgeewe dodgeewe
well youre memorable welcome back!. thanks! i hope you had good luck with your sister. dont remember what was going on with my sister at the time.... coulda been anything knowing her! have you driven one of the turbo pts therere not too slow not real fast just not too slow to drive. havent driven the new one. after owning one and driving it for the past 4 years im not sure i want another one. when i first got my cruiser even though its only a 4 cyl it had really good pickup. it was surprising since i got the auto trans and it has some 3000# curb weight! -michele ; .
From : markansas
brent you really do have your shit colored glasses on. calm down and relax. who said it was sarcastic and if you dont know anything about tbone you need to explain why you assume it was sarcastic. what does my post have to do with whiny customers and independents borrowing from dealers and ill education in dealership principles i will admit that you have a great knowledge about ill education of dealership principles as well as a fractious awareness of the principles of the english language however. anyway settle down and relax. as i said before i am sure you are a great mechanic and that is a good thing. --------------------------------------------------- you are correct im a little wound up for my own reasons. my apologies. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .
From : mike simmons
john robertson johndanielrobertson@cox-internet.com wrote in message i have been reading a couple of your posts about dealership and shit all i can say is that my hat is off to the dealership mechanics most of the time they do receive great training and are very helpful. i have never had warranty work mainly because i keep my truck maintained. i did take my older dakota to get the transmission overhauled it was costly but the truck ran great and is still lasting. i dont care to pay the money as long as it for good quality work. keep up the good work brent. john in a simple nutshell i will try to explain the antics of a dealership service department. i can not explain poor dealerships with questionable techncians this is for you to determine. i simply hope my explanation helps you understand why a dealer does what it does. a dealer is monitored by the manufacturer as to how many repairs it does. if a dealer does one particular repair more than other dealers of the same size and zone then a restriction is placed on them for that repair. this is not right but it happens. this can result in a service manager instructing their technicians not to recognize that particular problem to eliminate the restrictions. i would hope that any dealer would ignore these restrictions if the repairs pertained to safety. as many have suggested a dealer will not recognize a problem with the vehicle until it is out of warranty. now you know why. your problem is with chrysler not the dealer. as for an independant repair shop charging less; bullcrap. as a customer you simply picked up the phone and found a shop that charges less per hour. what sense does it make if an independant charges less per hour but charges you more hours because they are not familiar with the vehicle flat rate is a guideline - not a law. a dealership may charge more per hour but charge less hours since they can diagnose the vehicle quicker. this is easy to understand since they are more familiar with that vehicle and its common fallacies. this also does not account for the thousands of dollars per month that a dealer spends on special tools to peform the repairs quicker and more precisely. one individual suggested they had been in a dealer and saw a large amount of dust on the special tools. he could not be more correct. not every tool is used every day what tools are used is determined by the failure rate of specific vehicles. perhaps this individual should spend more attention on their shop than the dealers. one thing to remember is this; unlike an independent a dealer has the right to not use a special tool because at least they have it if they need it. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician john....even that is being takin away we used to be able to sign up for any class that we felt we needed training with.. how long has the pacifica been out the 300c i have not since been to those classes. now you get a car in on a wait basis with a problem and watch the customer yell because they have to wait so long for us not only to figure the system out but then to diagnios it and all that..... brent why did you get me started!!!!! glenn beasley chrysler tech glenn you can get into most any class quickly however your sm has to be proactive. he needs to put you on an interest list on dealer connect for the classes you want. then he needs to monitor dmail daily and wait for the class to pop up and then he needs to enroll you immediately as soon as the class becomes available. its a pita but its the only way i know to get your techs in on the new classes. they have changed certification requirements for 05 so your sm may have more of an incentive now to make sure that he has at least one tech qualified in each skill area. mike chryco service manager member sae mike if it is true that techs are told not to recognize certain problems hats off to glenn cause he cant be blinded how do i get the service i expect from a dealers shop they fixed a leaky valve cover gasket leaking again now and those plugs on the passenger side above the exhaust ports about 16 months ago. im about to put it in the shop again for the valve cover gasket again. im sure they will recognize that. it needs to be repaired warrantee or not. the 03 ho doesnt have the pep it once had just under 60k on it. is this normal or should it be checked out if it is checked out how do i know wether or not they will recognize any problem it is a trust issue i believe. do i straight out ask him if it is on the non-recognition list -- fmb only one b in fmb first of all there is no non-recognition list per se. what happens is that each dealer is compared to other similar sized dealers with similar franchises in similar climates. presumably every dealer should do about the same number of warranty repairs per vehicle all
From : mike simmons
from dale yonz yonzie@mac.com date 2/5/2005 203 am central standard time remember the gals dodge ewe sophie now im lost sophie was that the one who occasionally crossed over from the camaro firebird group robert .
From : denny
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From : mac davis
on sat 5 feb 2005 113615 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 5 feb 2005 070845 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote from nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com date 2/2/2005 1213 pm central standard time i may be wrong about him but his post just has too many of the signs. the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. michelle doesnt ring a bell. brent might be able to help us out here. oh yeah id managed to forget about good ol dd. brent has given good advice here in the past dd was less than useless. michelle used to use dodgeewe as her handle in here. sandman nate used to call her dodgebabe. there was another aoler in here who used to keep up with her named mark cant remember his handle right now. anybody else remember folks like rabbit no not denny teameuromeko sgt. rock carlos litl jay lee brian fitch and a bunch of others i cant think of right now nobody needs to take offense i wasnt lumping you all together just rattling off names as i recalled them. robert i have a name that i and the rest of you forgot about. the man of friday night melt down fame. my all time best friend john!! when all was said and down he was by far the best. these other alleged wordsmiths and semi trolls that hang out here couldnt carry his jock imho. roy roy i hate to tell you this and........believe it or not...............john is still here. really as who roy we had this discussion once before. sorry i dont remember the discussion. john@john.com was one of my old original akas here. man that was a long time ago. it was fun though. the memories.......its the little things that make life fun. really you are john i doubt it. but just for the hell of it lets find out. do you recall what took you over the edge other than the booze. what was the subject matter .
From : dale yonz
roy wrote you guys forgot wiley larry -michele; hes still around over in the chevy truck group. i remind him how good a dodge is every once in a while. g denny chevy truck group!! what are you doing in the chevy truck group i dont get a bunch of rabbit crap from those guys.... vbg why thats consorting with the enemy or sumpin! mike what ive noticed over time from visiting various different groups is how a persons personality will change from group to group. in one ng a poster will be mr. helpfull and then in the next ng he will be the smart-assed troll. and im sure its the same person in both groups. i guess little things amuse me... did i leave myself wide open or what.. g denny this would be toooo easy!! gbfg go pats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so what going to happen during the half time entertainment at the superbowl dale .
From : roy
on sat 5 feb 2005 070845 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote from nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com date 2/2/2005 1213 pm central standard time i may be wrong about him but his post just has too many of the signs. the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. michelle doesnt ring a bell. brent might be able to help us out here. oh yeah id managed to forget about good ol dd. brent has given good advice here in the past dd was less than useless. michelle used to use dodgeewe as her handle in here. sandman nate used to call her dodgebabe. there was another aoler in here who used to keep up with her named mark cant remember his handle right now. anybody else remember folks like rabbit no not denny teameuromeko sgt. rock carlos litl jay lee brian fitch and a bunch of others i cant think of right now nobody needs to take offense i wasnt lumping you all together just rattling off names as i recalled them. robert i have a name that i and the rest of you forgot about. the man of friday night melt down fame. my all time best friend john!! when all was said and down he was by far the best. these other alleged wordsmiths and semi trolls that hang out here couldnt carry his jock imho. roy roy i hate to tell you this and........believe it or not...............john is still here. really as who .
From : denny
you guys forgot wiley larry -michele; hes still around over in the chevy truck group. i remind him how good a dodge is every once in a while. g denny chevy truck group!! what are you doing in the chevy truck group i dont get a bunch of rabbit crap from those guys.... vbg why thats consorting with the enemy or sumpin! mike what ive noticed over time from visiting various different groups is how a persons personality will change from group to group. in one ng a poster will be mr. helpfull and then in the next ng he will be the smart-assed troll. and im sure its the same person in both groups. i guess little things amuse me... did i leave myself wide open or what.. g denny this would be toooo easy!! gbfg and im really disappointed that you didnt take the shot.. go pats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im with ya there.. denny .
From : roy
in a simple nutshell i will try to explain the antics of a dealership service department. i can not explain poor dealerships with questionable techncians this is for you to determine. i simply hope my explanation helps you understand why a dealer does what it does. a dealer is monitored by the manufacturer as to how many repairs it does. if a dealer does one particular repair more than other dealers of the same size and zone then a restriction is placed on them for that repair. this is not right but it happens. this can result in a service manager instructing their technicians not to recognize that particular problem to eliminate the restrictions. i would hope that any dealer would ignore these restrictions if the repairs pertained to safety. as many have suggested a dealer will not recognize a problem with the vehicle until it is out of warranty. now you know why. your problem is with chrysler not the dealer. as for an independant repair shop charging less; bullcrap. as a customer you simply picked up the phone and found a shop that charges less per hour. what sense does it make if an independant charges less per hour but charges you more hours because they are not familiar with the vehicle flat rate is a guideline - not a law. a dealership may charge more per hour but charge less hours since they can diagnose the vehicle quicker. this is easy to understand since they are more familiar with that vehicle and its common fallacies. this also does not account for the thousands of dollars per month that a dealer spends on special tools to peform the repairs quicker and more precisely. one individual suggested they had been in a dealer and saw a large amount of dust on the special tools. he could not be more correct. not every tool is used every day what tools are used is determined by the failure rate of specific vehicles. perhaps this individual should spend more attention on their shop than the dealers. one thing to remember is this; unlike an independent a dealer has the right to not use a special tool because at least they have it if they need it. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician you are so right brent.and the public does not know these things perfect example solonoid packs/gaskets we are the highest in our zone and we are getting ready to be put on restriciton for replacement of such things...why because when we bring these vehicles in and notice these things we alert the customer and fix them be it warranty or cod now the the other dealers that could give a crap about there customers have a very bad fix it right score but they arent put on restriciton cause they arent fixing the cars........go figure our dealer is rated one of the highest in our zone for fix it right. its almost like chrysler wants us to stop fixing these cars. our service manager pays us to diagnois the problems its a pain because we have to get him to sign off evey repair that we need the time for. but we are still fixing them once again we are very high in our zone for using 00 time and diagnostic time. but we are fixing them.... the dealers that dont pay there tech s to diagnois are the ones with a bad reputation once again the public is not aware of this. glenn beasley chrysler tech .