setting up prodigy
From : nathan w collier
Q: on tue 7 jun 2005 153457 -0400 steve w. dugdug56@what.com wrote it is possible but not very likely. the higher octane fuel additives may not burn off as well and could result in carbon deposit buildup on the heads. easy solution would be to use some cleaner every few thousand miles to prevent it from occurring. or the good polish tune-up never had a car as a youngster that had any danger of caboning up regardless what was used for fuel!!! oh and thank you. keep your head down. .
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From : nathan w collier
ive taken out my dash the other day to glass it and put it all back together and for some reasaon the taillights wont go out. ive checked fuses and went over all the wire connectors. please help guys and gals thanks .
From : badger
i just bought a used 2003 dak quad cab.25000 miles. it pulled to the right when i test drove it dealer said he would align it still pulled to the right. i took it to another shop and they realigned it it still pulled the right so they checked it again and it still does it. it does not pull any worse when you apply the brakes it just takes a slight pressure on the steering wheel to keep it from running off the road on the right side. it even does it if you drive on the wrong side of the road where the crown of the road should make it pull slightly to the left. any ideas the last shop thought it might be a bad brake caliper the right side pad seems to be worn a little more than the left. i already checked/greased the caliper slide bolts. does anyone have any other suggestions tia tom .
From : mac davis
i was just wondering if this warning that i have read form other posters in this group was regional or covered all areas. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving suddenly without warning tbone exclaimed 08-jun-05 142 am where did you buy it what the truck in the us before we were posted here. not california though. jmc .
From : tom lawrence
can i sign up too please........ denny sign me up too. good thing its an online class. if it were in a classroom i know id be stuck in the front row between you and roy. nah the rabbit will be on the short bus.g roy .
From : transurgeon
in my honest opinion you would not want surge brakes at least in the north east they are illigal in most states if the trailer is over 1000 lbs. then explain why ive rented 12000lb. trailers from the rental yards here in nj with surge brakes .
From : nathan w collier
i know it sounds geeky but i love the ending bassline and have been trying to find a file i can open and manipulate to use that sound. thanks m. .
From : the guy
tbone wrote and those that cannot or do not explain there answers are usually full of shit. your typical warped logic didnt deserve any explanation. whats the matter miles are you still upset perhaps you should do a little research before jumping in and making an ass out of yourself. perhaps if you knew anything about how an engine actually runs and how modern emissions systems actually work you would not be so quick to jump in and attack. heres your logic high octane fuel causes the computer to lean the mixture which causes increased heat which in turn causes detonation i assume you mean pinging. pretty much but like i said if you knew half as much as you think you do you would see the possibility. to further reduce emissions for areas like california where they are very strict tighter tolerances are required. then when you add the exceptionally high cost of fuel especially premium it is easy to make the assumption that if a vehicle is not to be used for high performance applications the engine could and would be designed around the characteristics of regular unleaded. this could include things like fuel delivery rates valve timing ignition timing computer curves based on the fuels rate of burn and anti-knock capabilities .... get the picture yet if the fuel burns slower than the engine and its control computers curves were designed for the o2 sensor is going to detect a false rich run condition because some of that fuel is going to enter the exhaust unburned. i would think that even you could understand this much. now unless your engine has variable valve timing there are really only two ways to deal with this situation increase the timing and/or cut back the fuel. i would hope that even you could understand this much. now since the fuel curves are based on the properties of regular unleaded and set up for minimum emissions while giving maximum available power i think that it would be fairly easy to assume that the timing would always be at or near its maximum setting for any given speed and load. that would leave the computer with the simple choice of reducing the injector pulse width cutting back the fuel amount to correct what it sees as a rich condition. the problem is that by doing this what it has actually done is cause a lean run condition. i guess that you dont know this but unlike a diesel a gas engine requires a very specific air / fuel ration to run properly. if you run it lean it will increase cylinder temps and reduce power. i have read posts in here where people noticed power loss when running high octane fuel in engines where the manufacturer stated not to use it. why do you think that is all knowing one this lean run condition also makes the fuel charge unstable and combined with the added heat there is the increased possibility of detonation and pre-ignition both of which can cause damage to the engine hence the manufacturers claims of possible engine damage. here is a link explaining detonation and pre-ignition. http//www.hastingsmfg.com/service%20tips/detonationandpreignition.htm notice the number 1 reason for detonation and the number 4 reason for pre-ignition pretty much follows what i was saying. then on top of that there is the possibility of the increased cylinder wall temps burning off the protective film of oil causing increased wear even without any detonation or pre-ignition. you can also look at the wording from the manufacturer. if they were simply saying not top use premium fuels you could also assume that they were more concerned about the detergents added to that grade damaging fuel injection components rather than confusing the computer but from what i have seen posted they were instead specifically talking octane ratings which would lead me to believe that they were more concerned about the fuel rate of burn and it confusing the computer rather than detergent damage. now does this guarantee that i am correct nope. what i am saying is simply based on knowledge of how a modern fuel injected engine operates and what could go wrong as well as the wording of the warning and symptoms reported by posters in this group which is far and away more than anything that you have provided so as they say put up or shut up. somebody really needs to explain why this is warped to you yep so i suggest that you either get started or mind your own business. the sad thing is miles that you do seem to be a bright guy and we could have some interesting conversations if you didnt resort to turning everything into some sort of personal attack. ill admit that i was just as bad at one time but i have stopped doing that a while ago. perhaps if or when you realize that it simply isnt worth the trouble doing that we can get into some interesting discussions and or debates... -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : badger
tbone wrote tbone wrote iirc the problem with using high octane fuel stems from the computer. it seems that the longer burn time of higher octane fuel fools the computer into thinking that the engine is running rich and causes it to lean the engine out. running lean itself is not a particularly good thing for the engine and will be reflected in a loss of power not to mention heat which could cause detonation another bad thing for the engine. this could not be further from the truth and does not warrant further comment. and those that cannot or do not explain there answers are usually full of shit. no only those that claim thing that are without merit like premium being harmfull. i could go into a long explaination why but you have already made up your mind so it is would be a wasted effort but i would explain why to anyone else that honestly wants to know why. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-high-octane-damage-engine-ftopict123488.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=602530 .
From : nathan w collier
i have an 04 dually with 4.10s and i would love to swap to 3.55s. hi steve do you tow in the mountains i wouldnt mind 3.54s if it will pull its rated load in the mountains. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .
From : the guy
good info thanks. why would you run 3.54s on a dually set up for towing several i looked at online had 5th wheels/goosenecks with the 3.54s. not wanting to run in o/d the cummins has the guts to pull with the higher gears - thats not much of a problem. .
From : tom lawrence
lol.....i used to call those hills mountains too once upon a time. - about six months ago wasnt it been here over a year now. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .
From : nathan w collier
the rating on the hitch is tongue weight. example loaded w/ my racecar my car trailer weighs about 4500# but the tongue weight is only about 700#. bryan my 7x18 enclosed trailer came in and i was really surprised to see that while dodge rates my 01.5 2500 cummins to pull nearly 13000 pounds they put a hitch on it rated for only 5000 pounds. this makes no sense to me....is this a liability thing or is it really only capable of pulling 5000 pounds on a standard non-distributing hitch also please see http//utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=4364 and take a look at the adjustable hitch i bought. i was a bit reluctant because its made of aluminum but i was assured by the shop owner that although he sold more expensive hitches that this was the strongest one he carried. anybody have any experience with these my sticker from my 04.5 cummins says class iv hitch so im not concerned about that one. i just dont know why they would put such a light receiver on the 01.5. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .
From : badger
yet another person has told me if i have electric door locks on my 99 i do that its a simple switch and getting fobs to get remote entry. two dealers have told me its a module addition and programing and would run about 200 - 250. i wouldnt mind remote entry but not at that price. could you squelch or confirm this rumor about the 4th or 5th ive heard it from. thanks rick from everett. .
From : nathan w collier
on wed 8 jun 2005 210352 -0600 nathan w. collier montanajeeper@aol.com wrote how do you know where or what i live on from your message header message-id limpe.29$hk.20509@twister.southeast.rr.com date thu 09 jun 2005 004531 gmt nntp-posting-host 66.57.115.196 x-complaints-to abuse@rr.com x-trace twister.southeast.rr.com 1118277931 66.57.115.196 wed 08 jun 2005 204531 edt nntp-posting-date wed 08 jun 2005 204531 edt organization roadrunner - triad southeast road runner would put you in the south east. i question your confidence not where you drive. if youre afraid to set up a simple trailer brake maybe you ought not try to tackle the more complicated stuff like actually towing. it has nothing to do with confidence or a simple setup. i am making certain that i understand the settings and boost before pulling 10000 pounds on grades youve most likely never imagined existed on public roads. maybe you should try either being helpful keeping quiet or something beyond being a pompous ass. you know what i got no horse in this race but the man made a reasonable comment nate. you seem to be the one actin like a pompous ass. relax pal. you aint the only one that ever drove a trailer in tough surroundings. you aint the fuckin mountain man and the prodigy aint no fuckin rocket science. try it out i think youll find it works just fine even in the big ol mountains. incidentally there are mountains all around me. lol.....i used to call those hills mountains too once upon a time. - .
From : mike simmons
i question whether you should be pulling a trailer at all. this coming from a flat lander im not surprised. out here towing is another animal entirely. -- nathan w. collier how do you know where or what i live on i question your confidence not where you drive. if youre afraid to set up a simple trailer brake maybe you ought not try to tackle the more complicated stuff like actually towing. incidentally there are mountains all around me. clay .
From : nathan w collier
on tue 7 jun 2005 141911 -0600 nathan w. collier montanajeeper@aol.com wrote i got my prodigy installed and it seems to be stopping the trailer just fine but im unsure of the adjustments. the video said to slide the manual lever all the way to the left and adjust the setting to 6.0 volts and then adjust as needed to get the wheels just before lock up. well i dont know how to tell when im just before lock up. i do feel a slight push when im stopping. not bad but slight. also do i need to reset this as my load changes i just cant see how 6 volts would provide the same stopping power at 3000 pounds as it would at 10000 pounds. thanks its a personal thing but id rather have a slight pull when i step on the brake.. thats the trailer slowing the truck down... i just adjusted it so that it felt natural when slowing and stopping and left it alone... you might adjust for a heavy load in your case but trial and error is the only way to really get it set up.. yeah nate it aint rocket science just set the damned thing up so it feels good and hook up the trailer an go! some small tweaks may be required but by and large you just let the prodigy do its thing! mike mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : nathan w collier
im seeking a 2002 dodge cummins 4x4 dually with the 6 speed manual transmission preferrably low mileage. i want patriot blue exterior with charcoal interior and not drilled for bug guards or steps. ive found a couple online but they all had the 3.54 gear ratio which i feel is to high for what i have in mind. surely 410 or atleast 373 were available with the manual tranny -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .
From : tom lawrence
didnt know my favorite road is closed though. hope they get it open by next summer... see http//www.mdt.state.mt.us/travinfo/beartooth/ for pictures. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .
From : mac davis
on wed 08 jun 2005 092657 -0700 mac davis mac.davis@splinters.comcast.net wrote on tue 7 jun 2005 212747 -0600 nathan w. collier montanajeeper@aol.com wrote youll have to adjust that one as well. their website claims otherwise. best i can tell you get the base setting and everything else is adjusted by fluid pressure which would be more with a heavier load. thousands of people use the prodigy for everything from a small utility trailer up through the 30+ 5th wheels... its not that hard. im sure i can figure it out but im concerned about trying to teach the wifey how to figure it out. hell nate... my wife figured it out before i did on our 1st short trip... like most guys i was out-teching myself and she not knowing how or why thecontroller worked just dialed in what felt right and kept on truckin.. i just hooked mine up set it at 7 then started pulling with it. i may have made one or two adjustments on the first pull but after that i just pretty much forgot that it is even there. .
From : badger
the right front and not the left from wear. even the metal brake lines have been changed. something strange is going on here. okay - if youve gone after all the typical stuff its time to get a little creative. first id see about getting a couple of pressure gauges and hook them up. you can either get a gauge and adapter that will replace the bleeder screw or a set of pads that replace the brake pads and get squeezed by the caliper. the ones that screw into the bleeder are better imo. check for equal brake pressure when the brakes are applied - both with the engine off and with the engine running. also check to make sure both gauges drop back to zero when the brakes are released. if they dont check out youve obviously got problems upstream - possibly the master cylinder. if the pressures are equal then youve got some kind of mechanical binding happening either on the left side during apply or on the right side during the return. im assuming youve already checked/greased the caliper slide bolts but id check again. maybe remove the brake pads re-install the caliper and make sure you can manually slide it back and forth without anything hanging up. again check both sides. .
From : tom lawrence
the same trailer at different weights will not be the same. ill be ordering the brake smart system for sure. i can always keep the prodigy for a back up. thanks -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .
From : transurgeon
in my honest opinion you would not want surge brakes at least in the north east they are illigal in most states if the trailer is over 1000 lbs. just adjust the controler untill it feels right little push or if pintle lock no slamming from the rear. ive found that no two trailers brake the same and the same trailer at different weights will not be the same. .
From : nathan w collier
but wont i need to readjust after the trailer is loaded thats what the boost function is for... just dial in a boost level of 1 2 or 3 depending on the relative weight of the trailer. you leave the base setting for the empty weight alone. .
From : transurgeon
nah...not unloaded but wont i need to readjust after the trailer is loaded -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .
From : nathan w collier
suddenly without warning nathan w. collier exclaimed 07-jun-05 800 pm during my recent vacation we took a trip to yellowstone. i gotta few pictures up http//utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=4365 with more and video to come. check back on that thread for more. the wifey didnt want the dog riding in the new dodge so we took the 01.5. my brother brought his suburban but after trying to keep up with my cummins on the long steep grades hes now shopping for an 03 3500 short bed. - only 300 pictures for multiple people over 3 days i by myself can take that many pictures in half that time digital cameras are a wonderful thing. when i move to that neighborhood im going to need to buy a 10mp card great pictures btw. i do miss the states and wyoming/montana in particular sometimes. didnt know my favorite road is closed though. hope they get it open by next summer... jmc .
From : the guy
i question whether you should be pulling a trailer at all. this coming from a flat lander im not surprised. out here towing is another animal entirely. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .
From : mac davis
hi! all items ok in pan - changed fluid and filter still will not do od if fluid only low 1 pint or less- with new pan gasket though is not as troubling - thanx for all help! ignatz .
From : nathan w collier
suddenly without warning tbone exclaimed 08-jun-05 142 am where did you buy it what the truck in the us before we were posted here. not california though. jmc .
From : tom lawrence
can i sign up too please........ denny sign me up too. good thing its an online class. if it were in a classroom i know id be stuck in the front row between you and roy. ifn roy was sitten in the front row there wouldnt be room for anybody else....... hey pudge whats with all the cheap shots ya keep going the way you are and the bride will have to put clearance lights on yer ass every time ya go out. bfg roy denny .
From : nathan w collier
the base setting is for empty then boost adjusts for the load thats what the boost function is for... just dial in a boost level of 1 2 or 3 depending on the relative weight of the trailer. you leave the base setting for the empty weight alone. the base setting will be fine for 3000 empty weight to 10000 fully loaded -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .
From : nathan w collier
grand canyon of the yellowstone by long steep grades i presume youre talking about going in the east entrance was mainly referencing i90 through montana. we went into the west entrance after going around the park on i90. i wanted my brother to see bozeman and a few other areas on the way. the gcoty is really awesome aint it gcoty -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .
From : transurgeon
iirc the problem with using high octane fuel stems from the computer. it seems that the longer burn time of higher octane fuel fools the computer into thinking that the engine is running rich and causes it to lean the engine out. running lean itself is not a particularly good thing for the engine and will be reflected in a loss of power not to mention heat which could cause detonation another bad thing for the engine. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving it is possible but not very likely. the higher octane fuel additives may not burn off as well and could result in carbon deposit buildup on the heads. easy solution would be to use some cleaner every few thousand miles to prevent it from occurring. oh and thank you. keep your head down. -- steve w. as some of you know im a 2001 dakota owner who is currently stationed overseas. the base just upgraded the gas station and in their infinite wisdom now only offer 95 octane gas. my owners manual says my engine could be damaged if i use high octane. will it really if this can indeed damage my engine id like to know how and if theres any way additives id be able to use this gas. otherwise i have to use more expensive options which may include paying the current $6.50 per gallon which is what we pay here with the currently high exchange rate. thanks for any advice! jmc ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-uncensored-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .
From : nathan w collier
on thu 02 jun 2005 174951 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote my spa had a built in stereo with a cd player. as for the tv i could see one through the kitchen window but couldnt hear it when the spa was running. i was going to wire sound for it out to the tub from the tv but we moved before i got the chance. just as well i can get rather addicted to tv during the winter and if i could watch and hear it from the tub i would never get out lol. the newer tubs that i have been looking at deliver sound through the tub wall rather than the external marine speakers that mine had. this looks like a great idea since it appears to keep the music in the tub especially if you want to use it late at night like i do. sound carries very well at night. we both smoke and about 5 or 6 years ago we decided not to smoke in the house anymore.. we figured that wed smoke less that way.. lol i used to think that as well but all it really did was keep me outside more which is not a whole lot of fun in the winter. fortunately a past governor in nj put a steep tax on cigarettes which gave me the $$$$$ motivation i needed to quit. within 2 months the entertainment center had moved from a wall to inside the patio doors then turned toward the patio doors and finally into an outdoor one on wheels with a 34 screen dvd with surround etc... we pretty much moved the whole living room out onto the front patio and between the pool spa and all it and the shop have become the neighborhood coffee stops.. that sounds great. consider yourself lucky to live in that kind of neighborhood as they are getting very rare at least here on the east coast. then again it seems that you are the catalyst creating that type of friendly environment so perhaps it is the neighborhood who is lucky. my last tub was 1000 lb empty and held 450 gallons of water so it would not be a good candidate for your application unless you didnt mind it moving itself into the basement - no the builder would probably add several thousand bucks worth of support beams.. *sigh* i would also suggest to anyone looking to buy one if you can try it before you buy it. unless you get in it preferably while it has water in it you have no idea how comfortable the different seating positions or jets will be. i bought my first one without getting in it wet and although i did enjoy it the lounge position which was the reason i bought that particular model turned out to be the least comfortable position in the tub too flat and poor jet placement and i almost never used that position. the same model without it would have give me an extra seating position and saved me some money as well. next time i will know better. exactly!! we almost bought the one that was just 2 lounges but ended up with 3 seats and a lounge... it never gets used because everyone is either too tall to be comfortable or too light to lay in it and not get blown off on high jets... no lounger in the next one... very good point t.. thanks even i am capable of learning something - i did see one that had a lounger that was more of a cross between a lounger and a conventional seat. your upper body is more upright to keep you from being blown out of it and it has enough length for taller people. being of average height the length is not as important. i still want to see it operating so that i will know what the jets will do. one thing that i want this time is fully independently controlled pumps. the last one i had you could not start pump 2 without starting pump 1 and even then pump 2 was a single speed pump that could not be started unless you had pump 1 running on high. i suspect that it was done that way because it didnt have a separate circulation pump and used pump 1 for that. since i dont plan on buying on until at least the fall i still have plenty of time to look and get it right. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : transurgeon
nathan w. collier wrote my 7x18 enclosed trailer came in and i was really surprised to see that while dodge rates my 01.5 2500 cummins to pull nearly 13000 pounds they put a hitch on it rated for only 5000 pounds. this makes no sense to me....is this a liability thing or is it really only capable of pulling 5000 pounds on a standard non-distributing hitch also please see http//utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=4364 and take a look at the adjustable hitch i bought. i was a bit reluctant because its made of aluminum but i was assured by the shop owner that although he sold more expensive hitches that this was the strongest one he carried. anybody have any experience with these my sticker from my 04.5 cummins says class iv hitch so im not concerned about that one. i just dont know why they would put such a light receiver on the 01.5. the receiver hitch on mine is rated at 5000# but also 10000# with a weight distributing hitch. if you read the fine print in your owners manual you may find the same thing. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .
From : nathan w collier
would that be tail lights or brake lights -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ive taken out my dash the other day to glass it and put it all back together and for some reasaon the taillights wont go out. ive checked fuses and went over all the wire connectors. please help guys and gals thanks .
From : brian
thats what the boost function is for... just dial in a boost level of 1 2 or 3 depending on the relative weight of the trailer. you leave the base setting for the empty weight alone. the base setting will be fine for 3000 empty weight to 10000 fully loaded -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .