sagging leaf springs on 4x4 dodge
From : sha zam
Q: i have a 1974 dodge 4x4 and the springs have no crown left in them.... can this be helped by replacing the spring pads or by possibly adding extra thick shim pads between each leaf .
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From : tbone
i would have them re-arched. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i have a 1974 dodge 4x4 and the springs have no crown left in them.... can this be helped by replacing the spring pads or by possibly adding extra thick shim pads between each leaf .
From : roy
if the dealer doesnt get the right one i may be looking for a favor. you might not be the only one yup miles may have to gear up for this.g .
From : Annonymous
on feb 19 823 am yah...@webtv.net sha zam wrote i have a 1974 dodge 4x4 and the springs have no crown left in them.... can this be helped by replacing the spring pads or by possibly adding extra thick shim pads between each leaf yes have them re-arched but i also added an extra leaf on each side..much improved cost about $350.00 at an independent frame and spring shop charlie the oc 01 ram 1500 4x4 quad cab .
From : stormin mormon
on a non-dodge vehicle i had years ago i was able to take apart the spring pack. and replace all but the big long main spring. it was still a heck of a lot of work but less than replacing the entire spring pack. i got the replacements at a wrecking yard. a plug in impact wrench paid for itself that day. for the u-bolt springs i heated the nuts up with an acetylene torch. stick the impact wrench on real quick and hold the trigger down until the nut came off. the other spring a friend and i had done the entire job with hand tools. the impact wrench made life a lot easier. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. i have a 1974 dodge 4x4 and the springs have no crown left in them.... can this be helped by replacing the spring pads or by possibly adding extra thick shim pads between each leaf .
From : stormin mormon
ive never heard of this process. please tell us more. is it cheaper or easier than getting a pair of springs from a wrecking yard -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. i would have them re-arched. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i have a 1974 dodge 4x4 and the springs have no crown left in them.... can this be helped by replacing the spring pads or by possibly adding extra thick shim pads between each leaf .
From : ed h
a good spring shop can do this. not your average suspension or truck place but one that works on semis motor homes etc. i was going to suggest the same but tbone beat me to it. ive never heard of this process. please tell us more. is it cheaper or easier than getting a pair of springs from a wrecking yard -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . i would have them re-arched. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i have a 1974 dodge 4x4 and the springs have no crown left in them.... can this be helped by replacing the spring pads or by possibly adding extra thick shim pads between each leaf .
From : tbone
this is done by professional spring shops. basically they take the spring apart re-bend the leafs back to what they were and in some cases they add an additional leaf and put it back together with new pads and bushings. while it is not always cheaper it is easier and you basically have a new spring again. when you buy from the junk yard you dont always know what you are going to get and while they may guarantee the springs that they sell you you still have to remove the old ones and put the junkyard ones in and if they are bad you get to take them out again and start all over. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ive never heard of this process. please tell us more. is it cheaper or easier than getting a pair of springs from a wrecking yard -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . i would have them re-arched. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i have a 1974 dodge 4x4 and the springs have no crown left in them.... can this be helped by replacing the spring pads or by possibly adding extra thick shim pads between each leaf .
From : miles
tbone wrote while it is not always cheaper it is easier and you basically have a new spring again. rebent isnt nearly as good as a new spring but for a vehicle where new springs cant be had its probably better than used. .
From : tom lawrence
the dealer is ordering me a new disc cause my old one doesnt work all the timewink wink hopefully it will be the new one. if not i found a couple on ebay. roy could you e-mail me got a question for ya. delete all the capital letters from my indicated e-mail address. thanks .
From : miles
roy wrote the dealer is ordering me a new disc cause my old one doesnt work all the timewink wink hopefully it will be the new one. if not i found a couple on ebay. didnt think about that route! its under the 3yr/36000 mile warranty. hopefully it will be the newer revision as thats the only one available for sale. .
From : roy
tbone wrote while it is not always cheaper it is easier and you basically have a new spring again. rebent isnt nearly as good as a new spring but for a vehicle where new springs cant be had its probably better than used. that is very true. i would think that after going through the work of removing the springs plus the cost one would be way ahead by having new springs made up. miles did you try the disc .
From : tbone
have you ever had it done miles or has one of your countless relatives done it if not then you dont know wtf you are talking about. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote while it is not always cheaper it is easier and you basically have a new spring again. rebent isnt nearly as good as a new spring but for a vehicle where new springs cant be had its probably better than used. .
From : tbone
tbone wrote have you ever had it done miles or has one of your countless relatives done it if not then you dont know wtf you are talking about. always resort to arguing doncha and what exactly do you call all of your posts in this thread yes i have had it done and the results were so-so. really what vehicle that sounds more like you picked a so-so rebuilder. learn the properties of metal before inserting foot into mouth about what you do not understand. i do understand the properties of metal miles despite your whining and a good spring shop will understand them as well and do what is required to bring the spring back to factory specs. now if you know so much and think that this cant be done then why did you have it done yourself. that sounds kinda stupid of you to me. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tom lawrence
if the dealer doesnt get the right one i may be looking for a favor. you might not be the only one .
From : roy
roy wrote tbone wrote have you ever had it done miles or has one of your countless relatives done it if not then you dont know wtf you are talking about. always resort to arguing doncha yes i have had it done and the results were so-so. learn the properties of metal before inserting foot into mouth about what you do not understand. ouch! g im just having fun! thats what its all about. i know. the dealer is ordering me a new disc cause my old one doesnt work all the timewink wink hopefully it will be the new one. if not i found a couple on ebay. again thanks for your time on this. .
From : roy
roy wrote the dealer is ordering me a new disc cause my old one doesnt work all the timewink wink hopefully it will be the new one. if not i found a couple on ebay. didnt think about that route! its under the 3yr/36000 mile warranty. hopefully it will be the newer revision as thats the only one available for sale. thats my thought. if not theres ebay. i understand that burning them is a pia. something about double sided or some such. .
From : roy
tbone wrote have you ever had it done miles or has one of your countless relatives done it if not then you dont know wtf you are talking about. always resort to arguing doncha yes i have had it done and the results were so-so. learn the properties of metal before inserting foot into mouth about what you do not understand. ouch! g .
From : miles
roy wrote tbone wrote have you ever had it done miles or has one of your countless relatives done it if not then you dont know wtf you are talking about. always resort to arguing doncha yes i have had it done and the results were so-so. learn the properties of metal before inserting foot into mouth about what you do not understand. ouch! g im just having fun! thats what its all about. .
From : miles
tbone wrote and what exactly do you call all of your posts in this thread all one single post prior to this in this thread i only replied to your initiating a typical argument. really what vehicle that sounds more like you picked a so-so rebuilder. several 1960s and 1970s vehicles. the results were so-so but better than nothing. it does not return the spring to like new performance. no way. your comment about which rebuilder i used is without merit. i do understand the properties of metal miles despite your whining and a good spring shop will understand them as well and do what is required to bring the spring back to factory specs. no you most certainly do not understand the properties of metal with regards to spring hysteresis fatigue residual stress and far more. .
From : miles
roy wrote thats my thought. if not theres ebay. i understand that burning them is a pia. something about double sided or some such. yes it requires a dvd dl dual layer disc and a burner thats capable of burning dl dvds. i successfully burned a copy without trouble the first try. i read everyones comments about it online and just did what worked for others. ive used the disc for several months now. works great. .
From : roy
roy wrote thats my thought. if not theres ebay. i understand that burning them is a pia. something about double sided or some such. yes it requires a dvd dl dual layer disc and a burner thats capable of burning dl dvds. i successfully burned a copy without trouble the first try. i read everyones comments about it online and just did what worked for others. ive used the disc for several months now. works great. if the dealer doesnt get the right one i may be looking for a favor. .
From : tbone
tbone wrote and what exactly do you call all of your posts in this thread all one single post prior to this in this thread i only replied to your initiating a typical argument. really what vehicle that sounds more like you picked a so-so rebuilder. several 1960s and 1970s vehicles. the results were so-so but better than nothing. as usual no valid answer. sorry miles but i simply dont believe you. it does not return the spring to like new performance. no way. your comment about which rebuilder i used is without merit. perhaps you are the one that needs to do a little research on this subject. there are two ways to have this done. do you even know what they are i do understand the properties of metal miles despite your whining and a good spring shop will understand them as well and do what is required to bring the spring back to factory specs. no you most certainly do not understand the properties of metal with regards to spring hysteresis fatigue residual stress and far more. lol!!! did you look up those terms in the dictionary. please explain to us how each one applies to see if you really have any idea what you are talking about. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : miles
tbone wrote sorry miles but i simply dont believe you. and that means exactly what thanks for the compliment. perhaps you are the one that needs to do a little research on this subject. there are two ways to have this done. do you even know what they are theres more than just two. theres quite a few different sets of steps different shops will use. some better than others. where you fail is your belief that an old spring can be made just as good as a new one and deliver the same level of performance and longevity. a rebuilt spring will do neither. did you look up those terms in the dictionary. hmm...with that remark its quite clear the terms i used were over your head as if theyre something unusual. ive told you before where i work and what i do. yes i do know more about metals than you! .
From : tbone
tbone wrote sorry miles but i simply dont believe you. and that means exactly what thanks for the compliment. it means that you cant ever answer even a simple question and are full of shit. if you want to take that as a compliment be my guest. perhaps you are the one that needs to do a little research on this subject. there are two ways to have this done. do you even know what they are theres more than just two. really name them! theres quite a few different sets of steps different shops will use. yes there are but they still become one of the two methods but if you think that there are more name some of them. some better than others. where you fail is your belief that an old spring can be made just as good as a new one and deliver the same level of performance and longevity. i said basically have a new spring not have a new spring and there is a difference. if done correctly it will be within the specs of when it was new and i never mentioned anything about longevity but if done correctly by a reputal shop they should also last about as long as the origionals. just slapping the spring on a press and bending it is not doing it correctly but you knew that right a rebuilt spring will do neither. now that depends on what was wrong with it and exactly how it was rebuilt. really miles you are beginning to show that you dont know anywhere near as much as you claim to. did you look up those terms in the dictionary. hmm...with that remark its quite clear the terms i used were over your head as if theyre something unusual. there is nothing unusual about the terms and all i asked was that you relate them to the discussion which you once again failed to do. sadly there is nothing unusual about that either. ive told you before where i work and what i do. no actually you havent said where you work and only hint at what you do. yes i do know more about metals than you! really you dont act like it and you do know that aluminum and steel have very different properties when it comes to flexing right -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : miles
tbone wrote it means that you cant ever answer even a simple question i answered you whined. yes there are but they still become one of the two methods but if you think that there are more name some of them. most do not heattreat for instance. that can make a huge difference even though you might call it a simple step. now that depends on what was wrong with it and exactly how it was rebuilt. not so. unless the spring was just sitting around without use and not subject to corrosion then there is no way it can be returned to like new condition delivering the same level of performance and longevity of a new one. by you disagreeing its clear you have no clue! no actually you havent said where you work and only hint at what you do. i gave my friggn website to which you whine about quite some time ago. geez tbone see a dr.!! really you dont act like it and you do know that aluminum and steel have very different properties when it comes to flexing right gee really gosh!! did you know that metal that has been flexed for many many years gains residual stresses only some of which can be taken out through heat treating which many shops dont even bother with you knew that right .
From : tbone
tbone wrote it means that you cant ever answer even a simple question i answered you whined. no you didnt. i asked for what cars and you gave some crap about many cars from the 60s and 70s with as usual nothing specific at all. how many cars miles and specifically what models. yes there are but they still become one of the two methods but if you think that there are more name some of them. most do not heattreat for instance. that can make a huge difference even though you might call it a simple step. once again it depends on what method they are using and once again no answer to the question of other types. now that depends on what was wrong with it and exactly how it was rebuilt. not so. unless the spring was just sitting around without use and not subject to corrosion then there is no way it can be returned to like new condition delivering the same level of performance and longevity of a new one. by you disagreeing its clear you have no clue! lol and this from the one who cant answer even a simple question. if the spring is that badly corroded then it is not a candidate for either rebuilding method and only a second rate shop would work with it. no actually you havent said where you work and only hint at what you do. i gave my friggn website to which you whine about quite some time ago. geez tbone see a dr.!! once again no valid response. why didnt you just post it again the answer is because you never did at least not to me or in this ng. really you dont act like it and you do know that aluminum and steel have very different properties when it comes to flexing right gee really gosh!! did you know that metal that has been flexed for many many years gains residual stresses only some of which can be taken out through heat treating which many shops dont even bother with you knew that right actually miles that is not completely true. unless you bend spring steel beyond its stress point it takes no damage and can theoretically be flexed like that forever. and then again if one of the leafs is damaged due to corrosion it can be replaced. you knew that right!!!! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : miles
tbone wrote no you didnt. i asked for what cars and you gave some crap about many cars from the 60s and 70s with as usual nothing specific at all. how many cars miles and specifically what models. oh geez tbone. what the hell difference does it make if its 3 or 10 cars or a skylark gto or a mustang yes those are 3 of them you just wanna bitch about nothing!! actually miles that is not completely true. unless you bend spring steel beyond its stress point it takes no damage and can theoretically be flexed like that forever. oh so as an old spring flattens out or loses it springiness it did so without anything really happening huh now that right here shows your lack of understanding of basic metal properties. youre making an assumption that is clearly wrong. my company produces whats called load cells or force transducers which rely on the very predictable bending properties of metal. the companies that rebuild springs are one industry that uses them. look it up. yes i do know far more than you in this area. .
From : tbone
tbone wrote no you didnt. i asked for what cars and you gave some crap about many cars from the 60s and 70s with as usual nothing specific at all. how many cars miles and specifically what models. oh geez tbone. what the hell difference does it make if its 3 or 10 cars or a skylark gto or a mustang yes those are 3 of them you just wanna bitch about nothing!! the difference is that you claim to know that the procedure does not work well and then claim to have done it to several cars. that would make no sense unless replacement springs for the cars that you did it to were unavailable and that is not the case with the three you just mentioned so you are either pretty stupid or just ripping people off that you sold these cars to. actually miles that is not completely true. unless you bend spring steel beyond its stress point it takes no damage and can theoretically be flexed like that forever. oh so as an old spring flattens out or loses it springiness it did so without anything really happening huh i never said that. now that right here shows your lack of understanding of basic metal properties. lol no miles it shows your inability to understandthe difference between a single item and an
From : roy
the dealer is ordering me a new disc cause my old one doesnt work all the timewink wink hopefully it will be the new one. if not i found a couple on ebay. roy could you e-mail me got a question for ya. delete all the capital letters from my indicated e-mail address. thanks on the way. .
From : roy
the dealer is ordering me a new disc cause my old one doesnt work all the timewink wink hopefully it will be the new one. if not i found a couple on ebay. roy could you e-mail me got a question for ya. delete all the capital letters from my indicated e-mail address. thanks on the way. it kicked back. ill try it again. .
From : miles
tbone wrote have you ever had it done miles or has one of your countless relatives done it if not then you dont know wtf you are talking about. always resort to arguing doncha yes i have had it done and the results were so-so. learn the properties of metal before inserting foot into mouth about what you do not understand. .