orphaned mercedes technology in Chrysler/Dodge?
From : greekphilosophizer
Q: if dcx spins off chrysler will all the mercedes technology become orphaned more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold will chrysler have the mercedes products pulled from the lineup - meaning all the mercedes diesels .. .
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From : bob m
joe pfeiffer wrote edward ohare edwardohare@nospam.yahoo.com.invalid writes on 18 mar 2007 183249 -0700 weelliott@gmail.com weelliott@gmail.com wrote i just realized that i did say supply. that was not as specific as i probably needed to be. i didnt mean that they need to stock them for your use but they have to have made enough to last for that long. they could all sit in a warehouse and take three weeks to get ahold of and they woudl still be fine. at least that is what i had been told. so take this with a grain of salt. gm promised continued parts and service for oldsmobiles. i dont recall the time period. also to follow up my earlier claim that there is no law requiring a company to sell parts for some lenght of time that a company making a pledge to do so would be a completely different matter. and with oldsmobile and gm they could probably use buick parts as the two brands are almost identical. in fact the olds v6 is a buick v6. at least in 97 it was. my folks have one. bob .
From : greekphilosophizer
on mar 19 543 pm steve n...@spam.thanks wrote robert reynolds wrote edward ohare wrote on 13 mar 2007 135621 -0700 greekphilosophizer greekphilosophi...@hotmail.com wrote if dcx spins off chrysler will all the mercedes technology become orphaned more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold uh.... they sold some i saw one on the road two days ago. this was the only one i ever recall seeing. youre not looking closely. theyve done decent business in fleet sales which is what the sprinter is intended for. its not really a replacement for the b-series van- you wont see any luxury van conversions or mini-rvs based on the sprinter. i thnk their sales in prior years were constrained by their old assembly plant in north carolina - they could only bring in about 30000 per year. their new assembly plant can do more and can be expanded so the numbers should increase. hopefully the supply will increase to the point that an extra long wheelbase cargo will go for much less than the 38k msrp. .. .
From : dori a schmetterling
youre showing an unhealthy interest. what happened to the unimog plan das for direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling --- on mar 19 543 pm steve n...@spam.thanks wrote robert reynolds wrote edward ohare wrote on 13 mar 2007 135621 -0700 greekphilosophizer greekphilosophi...@hotmail.com wrote if dcx spins off chrysler will all the mercedes technology become orphaned more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold uh.... they sold some i saw one on the road two days ago. this was the only one i ever recall seeing. youre not looking closely. theyve done decent business in fleet sales which is what the sprinter is intended for. its not really a replacement for the b-series van- you wont see any luxury van conversions or mini-rvs based on the sprinter. i thnk their sales in prior years were constrained by their old assembly plant in north carolina - they could only bring in about 30000 per year. their new assembly plant can do more and can be expanded so the numbers should increase. hopefully the supply will increase to the point that an extra long wheelbase cargo will go for much less than the 38k msrp. . .
From : greekphilosophizer
on mar 19 653 pm dori a schmetterling i...@nospam.co.uk wrote youre showing an unhealthy interest. what happened to the unimog plan i like the unimog. it would be a fun vehicle but it does not come in a van body or with an automatic transmission. the sprinter does. i try to keep my interests healthy and am most appreciative of any suggestion that they may not be. .. .
From : steve
and with oldsmobile and gm they could probably use buick parts as the two brands are almost identical. in fact the olds v6 is a buick v6. at least in 97 it was. my folks have one. bob oldsmobile had degnerated to the point that other than trim and body panels it was an entirely corporate car just like pontiac is right now. the last olds cars used the buick v6 or the small northstar v8. chevy buick and cadillac are the only gm brands with any engineering identity left. buicks is pretty much limited to the 3800 v6 engine which is still so much better than the chevrolet v6 engines that it has a home in all the car lines and cadillacs is the northstar engine family. not that this is an altogether bad thing. ford and chrysler went to corporate-engineered drivetrains in the 50s and that worked out much better than gm selling 3 different unrelated 350 v8s thre unrelated 455 v8s plus a 454 500 and 472 all through the 70s. that was nonsensical. .
From : edward ohare
on mon 19 mar 2007 124323 -0500 steve no@spam.thanks wrote youre not looking closely. theyve done decent business in fleet sales which is what the sprinter is intended for. its not really a replacement for the b-series van- you wont see any luxury van conversions or mini-rvs based on the sprinter. right. they knew they were going to lose those markets. but they build a people mover version of the sprinter so its not fair to say it was just aimed at commercial fleets. but they threw the people mover market away because the sprinter is perceived as inappropriate. the old b van was pretty popular with types of businesses that wont touch a sprinter churches child day care retirement communities hotels near airports that provide guest transportation to/from the airport various types of assisted living facilities. these types of customers probably want a van that doesnt require special fuel that anyone can work on and that isnt noisy and doesnt smell bad. just another example of schrempp not understanding america. .
From : who
as long as there is a significant demand for parts they will be available new. after that there are recycled parts from the wrecking yard. dori a schmetterling info@nospam.co.uk wrote with a merc there should not be this problem. but with chrysler if its sold...... das --- for direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling --- ... i recently was involved in repair of a car that was less than ten years old and needed driver and passenger seatbelts. the manufacturer could only furnish the drivers seat belt in one color the passengers seat belt in another and neither color matched the car interior. .
From : who
bob m ram1220@vzavenue.net wrote and with oldsmobile and gm they could probably use buick parts as the two brands are almost identical. in fact the olds v6 is a buick v6. at least in 97 it was. my folks have one. so true. oldsmobile parts were used in several other gm brands. .
From : robrjt
on mar 19 1143 am steve n...@spam.thanks wrote robert reynolds wrote edward ohare wrote on 13 mar 2007 135621 -0700 greekphilosophizer greekphilosophi...@hotmail.com wrote if dcx spins off chrysler will all the mercedes technology become orphaned more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold uh.... they sold some i saw one on the road two days ago. this was the only one i ever recall seeing. youre not looking closely. theyve done decent business in fleet sales which is what the sprinter is intended for. its not really a replacement for the b-series van- you wont see any luxury van conversions or mini-rvs based on the sprinter.- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - actually i have seen some nice mini rv based sprinters. for $70k .
From : Annonymous
more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold . car manufacturers are legally responsible to supply you with parts for 10 years after the car is made. so you should still be able to find pasrts for the sprinter for at least ten years. the reality of it is dodge isnt just going to stop stocking those parts in 10 years. there is a market for them so they will sell them even if they do have to buy them from mercedes mark them up and sell them. i wonder if freightliner will still be selling the sprinters. im sure that freightliner dealers will still service and sell parts for them too. bill .
From : joe pfeiffer
weelliott@gmail.com weelliott@gmail.com writes more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold . car manufacturers are legally responsible to supply you with parts for 10 years after the car is made. so you should still be able to find pasrts for the sprinter for at least ten years. the reality of it do you have a cite for that other than emissions-related parts .
From : Annonymous
your wrong on that count. manufactures are not legally required to stock parts for ten years. they are legally required to repair defects pertaining to warranty problems for the life of the warranty claimed by the manufacturer. and the manufacturer can obtain parts from any means including used to repair those defects. i worked for daimlerchrysler for 13 years and there is no law stating your bullshit! ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-unrestricted-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .
From : Annonymous
i worked for daimlerchrysler for 13 years and there is no law stating your bullshit! before you get all huffy puffy and start cursing for no reason calm down. i admit that i could be mistaken but i am not intentionally feeding anyone bs. i was looking into buying an oldsmobile years ago when it was known that they were dissapearing and the dealer told me that gm was required to maintain parts for the cars for 10 years by law and could not just abandon their customers. unless the law has changed or this guy was feeding me bs i seriously think that there is some basis to what i said. and before you start attacking people. think about what your credentials say. so what you worked for daimlerchrysler. a company that at the time had never shut down production. does that mean that you know the law for this scenario are you a lwayer for them in charge of distribution of spare parts im an engineer with lots of experience in cars and submarines. that doesnt mean that i can tell you how everything on a car or submarine works or the laws regarding them. and i dont claim to or tell people that they are full of bull for saying anythign about them. so tone it down. .
From : Annonymous
i just realized that i did say supply. that was not as specific as i probably needed to be. i didnt mean that they need to stock them for your use but they have to have made enough to last for that long. they could all sit in a warehouse and take three weeks to get ahold of and they woudl still be fine. at least that is what i had been told. so take this with a grain of salt. .
From : joe
i worked for daimlerchrysler for 13 years and there is no law stating your bullshit! before you get all huffy puffy and start cursing for no reason calm down. i admit that i could be mistaken but i am not intentionally feeding anyone bs. i was looking into buying an oldsmobile years ago when it was known that they were dissapearing and the dealer told me that gm was required to maintain parts for the cars for 10 years by law and could not just abandon their customers. if youre really an engineer the first thing youd have asked yourself is why would i believe this without any evidence are you really going repeat and then defend something told to you by a car salesman no further inquiry you put those higher thinking skills to work on this and think about it. .
From : tbone
on 18 mar 2007 183249 -0700 weelliott@gmail.com weelliott@gmail.com wrote i just realized that i did say supply. that was not as specific as i probably needed to be. i didnt mean that they need to stock them for your use but they have to have made enough to last for that long. they could all sit in a warehouse and take three weeks to get ahold of and they woudl still be fine. at least that is what i had been told. so take this with a grain of salt. gm promised continued parts and service for oldsmobiles. i dont recall the time period. i recently was involved in repair of a car that was less than ten years old and needed driver and passenger seatbelts. the manufacturer could only furnish the drivers seat belt in one color the passengers seat belt in another and neither color matched the car interior. but they still supplied both seat belts. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : edward ohare
on 13 mar 2007 135621 -0700 greekphilosophizer greekphilosophizer@hotmail.com wrote if dcx spins off chrysler will all the mercedes technology become orphaned more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold uh.... they sold some .
From : edward ohare
on 18 mar 2007 183249 -0700 weelliott@gmail.com weelliott@gmail.com wrote i just realized that i did say supply. that was not as specific as i probably needed to be. i didnt mean that they need to stock them for your use but they have to have made enough to last for that long. they could all sit in a warehouse and take three weeks to get ahold of and they woudl still be fine. at least that is what i had been told. so take this with a grain of salt. gm promised continued parts and service for oldsmobiles. i dont recall the time period. i recently was involved in repair of a car that was less than ten years old and needed driver and passenger seatbelts. the manufacturer could only furnish the drivers seat belt in one color the passengers seat belt in another and neither color matched the car interior. .
From : edward ohare
on sun 18 mar 2007 225742 -0500 tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote i recently was involved in repair of a car that was less than ten years old and needed driver and passenger seatbelts. the manufacturer could only furnish the drivers seat belt in one color the passengers seat belt in another and neither color matched the car interior. but they still supplied both seat belts. and now they dont have any. i didnt make that clear in the first post. .
From : robert reynolds
edward ohare wrote on 13 mar 2007 135621 -0700 greekphilosophizer greekphilosophizer@hotmail.com wrote if dcx spins off chrysler will all the mercedes technology become orphaned more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold uh.... they sold some i saw one on the road two days ago. this was the only one i ever recall seeing. .
From : joe pfeiffer
weelliott@gmail.com weelliott@gmail.com writes i worked for daimlerchrysler for 13 years and there is no law stating your bullshit! before you get all huffy puffy and start cursing for no reason calm down. i admit that i could be mistaken but i am not intentionally feeding anyone bs. i was looking into buying an oldsmobile years ago when it was known that they were dissapearing and the dealer told me that gm was required to maintain parts for the cars for 10 years by law and could not just abandon their customers. unless the law has changed or this guy was feeding me bs i seriously think that there is some basis to what i said. he was either mistaken himself or was feeding you a line. there is no such law it is obviously impossible to cite a non-law -- which is why in my original response i asked you if you had a cite. a company is required to support their warranty and there is a required warranty on emissions equipment. beyond that theyve got no obligation to ever sell parts. and they sell them for exactly as long as they think theyre making money by doing it. and before you start attacking people. think about what your credentials say. so what you worked for daimlerchrysler. a company that at the time had never shut down production. does that mean that you know the law for this scenario are you a lwayer for them in charge of distribution of spare parts im an engineer with lots of experience in cars and submarines. that doesnt mean that i can tell you how everything on a car or submarine works or the laws regarding them. and i dont claim to or tell people that they are full of bull for saying anythign about them. so tone it down. im not a lawyer and dont work for any car companies. my claim is based on many people making the same statement i did over the years a general belief that the auto industry really ought to work the same as all the others in the world and nobody ever coming up with a cite showing me where the must sell parts for x years law exists. .
From : joe pfeiffer
edward ohare edwardohare@nospam.yahoo.com.invalid writes on 18 mar 2007 183249 -0700 weelliott@gmail.com weelliott@gmail.com wrote i just realized that i did say supply. that was not as specific as i probably needed to be. i didnt mean that they need to stock them for your use but they have to have made enough to last for that long. they could all sit in a warehouse and take three weeks to get ahold of and they woudl still be fine. at least that is what i had been told. so take this with a grain of salt. gm promised continued parts and service for oldsmobiles. i dont recall the time period. also to follow up my earlier claim that there is no law requiring a company to sell parts for some lenght of time that a company making a pledge to do so would be a completely different matter. .
From : dori a schmetterling
with a merc there should not be this problem. but with chrysler if its sold...... das --- for direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling --- ... i recently was involved in repair of a car that was less than ten years old and needed driver and passenger seatbelts. the manufacturer could only furnish the drivers seat belt in one color the passengers seat belt in another and neither color matched the car interior. .
From : roy
edward ohare wrote on 13 mar 2007 135621 -0700 greekphilosophizer greekphilosophizer@hotmail.com wrote if dcx spins off chrysler will all the mercedes technology become orphaned more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold uh.... they sold some i saw one on the road two days ago. this was the only one i ever recall seeing. still friggin cross posting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .
From : Annonymous
then i stand corrected! i now see that there is not an actual law and i am not going to try to defend it since it obviously doesnt exist. i wasnt trying to pedal crap i honestly believed that the law existed. i was not put under the impression by a salesman. i know better than to believe a salesman. i was put under the impression by the owner of the dealership who was a friends brother. my friend is an honest person so i extended the belief of honesty to his brother. oops. i guess in reality he is the head salesman but i would hold him a little more accountable thus hope more honest. as edward ohare stated on here a few hours ago he believes that gm did promise parts for the oldsmobile. so apparently around the time that olds was dissolving they were making some promises which i can see how the owner may have embelished by adding some legal claims to it. i really dont want to argue about this any more. ive already said that i was mistaken twice. if this is really supposed to be a forum about helping people why dont we get to that... as i stated in my first posting freightliner also sells the sprinter. i am not sure if that is gong to change after dc divorces but i think it would be a viable idea to check with a freightliner dealer to see what they have as far as plans for parts. even though the sprinter hasnt been a huge success on a small business or personal use level both ups and dhl use them. even though it is possible that these large companies might have their own supliers i would imagine that if one tried hard enough they could find a supplier for the parts well into the future. car companies stop making models all the time and continue to have parts for them. i really dont think that finding parts is something worth worrying about. if it does become a problem i would imagine that some little company would pop up to feed the market created by the shortage- importing parts from europe where sprinters abound. its the american way. have a good day bill .
From : edward ohare
on mon 19 mar 2007 055724 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote still friggin cross posting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the previous poster responded to me. how was he to know what group i was reading you kept the crossposts. for the same reason .
From : jdoe
on mon 19 mar 2007 124323 -0500 steve no@spam.thanks wrote youre not looking closely. theyve done decent business in fleet sales which is what the sprinter is intended for. its not really a replacement for the b-series van- you wont see any luxury van conversions or mini-rvs based on the sprinter. thats not correct there are campers being marketed that are sprinter conversions .
From : steve
edward ohare wrote the old b van was pretty popular with types of businesses that wont touch a sprinter churches child day care retirement communities hotels near airports that provide guest transportation to/from the airport various types of assisted living facilities. the old b-van ruled the full-size van market from the 70s through the 80s. ford and gm couldnt touch dodge in sales or in the quality of the vans and especially in the 70s the versatility of the van chassis as a basis for custom vehicles and motorhomes. i have *no* idea why they let the b-van stagnate while ford and gm both passed them in improvements and especially ford took that market segment away. true they were kicking everyones butt in the minivan market and i guess that was far more profitable. but still a shame to see such complete dominance in a market segment thrown away by simple neglect. .
From : who
steve no@spam.thanks wrote but still a shame to see such complete dominance in a market segment thrown away by simple neglect. simply a case of poor stale management. just imagine how many good frustrated people left to make toyota honda etc so successful. .
From : steve
greekphilosophizer wrote if dcx spins off chrysler will all the mercedes technology become orphaned we can only hope. i for one would love to see the return of simple rugged reliable chrysler engineering without a lot of needless benz mechanical masturbation thrown in for good measure. more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold dodge doesnt maintain them now mechanics do. dealer mechanics will still work on them as will independents. will chrysler have the mercedes products pulled from the lineup - meaning all the mercedes diesels in all seriousness most likely the new chrysler group would continue to purchase things like the 3.0 crd engine from benz just like they currently purchase the isb from cummins. but we could hope they might find a better small common-rail diesel from a source like cummins. .
From : steve
robert reynolds wrote edward ohare wrote on 13 mar 2007 135621 -0700 greekphilosophizer greekphilosophizer@hotmail.com wrote if dcx spins off chrysler will all the mercedes technology become orphaned more specifically if i buy a sprinter which is really a mercedes and then chrysler is sold off will dodge be able to maintain those sprinters already sold uh.... they sold some i saw one on the road two days ago. this was the only one i ever recall seeing. youre not looking closely. theyve done decent business in fleet sales which is what the sprinter is intended for. its not really a replacement for the b-series van- you wont see any luxury van conversions or mini-rvs based on the sprinter. .