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From : budd cochran

Q: yep it does. get caught and it will get you jail time guaranteed. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ how to turn $6 into $6000!!!!!! reading this could change your life! please read all! i found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. a little while back i was browsing through groups just like you are now and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! so i thought yeah right this must be a scam but like most of us i was curious so i kept reading. anyway it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the article. you then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6 and post the article in at least 200 groups. there are thousands no catch that was it. so after thinking it over and talking to a few people first i thought about trying it. i figured what have i got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00 right then i invested the measly $6.00. well guess what!!... within 7 days i started getting money in the mail! i was shocked! i figured it would end soon but the money just kept coming in. in my first week i made about $25.00. by the end of the second week i had made a total of over $1000.00! in the third week i had over $10000.00 and its still growing. this is now my fourth week and i have made a total of just over $42000.00 and its still coming in rapidly. its certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps i have spent more than that on the lottery!! let me tell you how this works and most importantly why it works....also make sure you print a copy of this article now so you can get the information off of it as you need it. i promise you that if you follow the directions exactly that you will start making more money than you thought possible by doing something so easy! suggestion read this entire message carefully! print it out or download it. follow the simple directions and watch the money come in! its easy. its legal. and your investment is only $6.00 plus postage important this is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! if all of the following instructions are adhered to you will receive extraordinary dividends. please note please follow these directions exactly and $50000 or more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. you will now become part of the mail order business. in this business your product is not solid and tangible its a service. you are in the business of developing mailing lists. many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. however the money made from the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people like you and me asking to be included in that list. here are the 4 easy steps to success step 1 get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper ;please put me on your mailing list. now get 6 us $1.00 bills and place one inside each of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope to prevent thievery. next place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. you should now have 6 sealed envelopes each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase your name and address and a $1.00 bill. what you are doing is creating a service. this is absolutely legal! you are requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it! like most of us i was a little skeptical and a little worriedossible. now post your amended article to at least 200 groups. i think there are close to 24000 groups all you need is 200 but remember the more you post the more money you make! this is perfectly legal! if you have any doubts refer to title 18 sec. 1302 & 1341 of the postal lottery laws. keep a copy of these steps for yourself and whenever you need money you can use it again and again. please remember that this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. look at it this way. if you are of integrity the program will continue and the money that so many others have received will come your way. note you may want to retain every name and address sent to you either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. this verifies that you are truly providing a service. also it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft. so as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a list d

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From : budd cochran

are you a lawyer or in a business involving the ftc regulations i was in a ftc regulated business and its a ponzie scheme. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ go for it. the only people that will make any real money are the ones that started it. its a ponzie pyramid scheme and a federal offense in the us. btw if they are out to rip you off do you really think theyll tell you its illegal once again you post mis-information. while it is based on a pyramid scheme it is not illegal. why you ask because they are capitalizing on a loophole in the law. ya see they are building a mailing list and therefore providing a service. the people that are giving the money are paying to be on that mailing list which equates to paying for a service. the people collecting the money are building the mailing lists and simply providing a service and being paid for doing it. even though the method of collecting the names appears to be based on a pyramid scheme that in itself is not illegal.

From : gary glaenzer

correct by definition a ponzi scheme is any investment plan whereby earlier participants are paid by the investments of later participants are you a lawyer or in a business involving the ftc regulations i was in a ftc regulated business and its a ponzie scheme. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ go for it. the only people that will make any real money are the ones that started it. its a ponzie pyramid scheme and a federal offense in the us. btw if they are out to rip you off do you really think theyll tell you its illegal once again you post mis-information. while it is based on a pyramid scheme it is not illegal. why you ask because they are capitalizing on a loophole in the law. ya see they are building a mailing list and therefore providing a service. the people that are giving the money are paying to be on that mailing list which equates to paying for a service. the people collecting the money are building the mailing lists and simply providing a service and being paid for doing it. even though the method of collecting the names appears to be based on a pyramid scheme that in itself is not illegal. in all honesty if any of these mailing lists grow to any valid size they would be worth a fortune and i think that you can see why. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

aw gee gary. i wanted tom to show his absolutely stupid misinformation again. darn. heck anybody involved with amway shaklee or avon needs to know the fine points of pyramid schemes or end up caught in one. my business at the time involved telephone sales contacts and the ftc package i received contained the ponzie info. since another branch of the business had pyramid potential i had to be able to watch it carefully to make sure it didnt get corrupted. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ correct by definition a ponzi scheme is any investment plan whereby earlier participants are paid by the investments of later participants .

From : budd cochran

are you a lawyer or in a business involving the ftc regulations nope and i dont need to be to see this. like you dont need to have much experience as a mechanic to be right all the time. i was in a ftc regulated business and its a ponzie scheme. wrong!!! ponzie schemes do not sell a product or service. they are purely based on paying a return on an investment. then since youre the expert rotflmbo why is amway been in trouble from lawsuits proving its a pyramid they sell products as does shaklee and avon. come on you claim to have all the answers again. when you get it wrong ill explain it for you but you must answer the question. a spin will not be acceptable. if you choose not to answer your credibility is in the garbage again. hint check your answer carefully theres a whole bunch in here with experience as small business owners including greg gary roy denny daniel and myself. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ .

From : tbone

are you a lawyer or in a business involving the ftc regulations nope and i dont need to be to see this. like you dont need to have much experience as a mechanic to be right all the time. i never claimed to be right all of the time that was you and your idol jerry that came up with that. and you dont need to be a mechanic to have knowledge in the field. i was in a ftc regulated business and its a ponzie scheme. wrong!!! ponzie schemes do not sell a product or service. they are purely based on paying a return on an investment. then since youre the expert rotflmbo why is amway been in trouble from lawsuits proving its a pyramid are you saying that amway is a ponzie scheme be sure to answer very carefully. and who is suing them btw a quick search shows no government prosecutions. if amway is as illegal as you claim where are the criminal cases against them they sell products as does shaklee and avon. come on you claim to have all the answers again. they have a different structure and i never said that it was not in a pyramid scheme actually i never mentioned amway at all you did. and dont forget to answer my question. when you get it wrong ill explain it for you but you must answer the question. a spin will not be acceptable. if you choose not to answer your credibility is in the garbage again. hint check your answer carefully theres a whole bunch in here with experience as small business owners including greg gary roy denny daniel and myself. what are you rambling about now actually amway is a mlm and has nothing to do with a ponzie scheme. now provide links to the criminal case that shut them down oh wait they are still in business and a huge company at that! i guess that you are wrong once again imagine that. but ill tell you what budd all you need to is provide a link that shows someone who followed the directions in that bs post was criminally prosecuted and convicted and you will prove me wrong. dont worry ill wait but i will not hold my breath. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

while your definition is correct that is not what is being done with this scheme. well actually it sorta is but is hidden behind the mailing list bs and that separates it from a ponzie scheme. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving correct by definition a ponzi scheme is any investment plan whereby earlier participants are paid by the investments of later participants are you a lawyer or in a business involving the ftc regulations i was in a ftc regulated business and its a ponzie scheme. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ go for it. the only people that will make any real money are the ones that started it. its a ponzie pyramid scheme and a federal offense in the us. btw if they are out to rip you off do you really think theyll tell you its illegal once again you post mis-information. while it is based on a pyramid scheme it is not illegal. why you ask because they are capitalizing on a loophole in the law. ya see they are building a mailing list and therefore providing a service. the people that are giving the money are paying to be on that mailing list which equates to paying for a service. the people collecting the money are building the mailing lists and simply providing a service and being paid for doing it. even though the method of collecting the names appears to be based on a pyramid scheme that in itself is not illegal. in all honesty if any of these mailing lists grow to any valid size they would be worth a fortune and i think that you can see why. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tom lawrence

once again you post mis-information. while it is based on a pyramid scheme it is not illegal. why you ask because they are capitalizing on a loophole in the law. ya see they are building a mailing list and therefore providing a service. well apparently the ag of new york disagrees with you http//legal.web.aol.com/resources/pyramid/vaccowarns.html .

From : budd cochran

i never claimed to be right all of the time that was you and your idol jerry that came up with that. and you dont need to be a mechanic to have knowledge in the field. yes you have by your attitude at least. you know i worship only god. you are the reverse example of this correct that even with a claimed modicum of experience you still dont know anything. are you saying that amway is a ponzie scheme yes but a modified form. they prefer to sell their products only to distributors and rarely outside the pyramid. be sure to answer very carefully. why theyre being sued by distributors that were lied to by their uplines and by amway. and who is suing them btw a quick search shows no government prosecutions. if amway is as illegal as you claim where are the criminal cases against them bought out by amway management bucks as in settled out of court for example. they sell products as does shaklee and avon. come on you claim to have all the answers again. they have a different structure and i never said that it was not in a pyramid scheme actually i never mentioned amway at all you did. and dont forget to answer my question. i did but im still waiting for yours. a pyramid scheme is a pyramid scheme. if you products are restricted to either use internally inside the organization or used to attract new distributors then its a pyramid not an mlm. you need to learn a thing or about business structure but i think ive told you that before. what are you rambling about now actually amway is a mlm and has nothing to do with a ponzie scheme. wrong. its a disguised ponzie with the products used to attract new blood and restricted as much as possible to internal sales only. now provide links to the criminal case that shut them down oh wait they are still in business and a huge company at that! so how many class action suits are there pending and being tried against the auto manufacturers and theyre still open. you point is pointless like you. i guess that you are wrong once again imagine that. nope you are. just look under http//www-2.cs.cmu.edu/dst/amway/ budd .

From : tbone

i never claimed to be right all of the time that was you and your idol jerry that came up with that. and you dont need to be a mechanic to have knowledge in the field. yes you have by your attitude at least. you know i worship only god. you are the reverse example of this correct that even with a claimed modicum of experience you still dont know anything. and yet i still know more than you and that really pisses you off doesnt it lol!!! are you saying that amway is a ponzie scheme yes but a modified form. they prefer to sell their products only to distributors and rarely outside the pyramid. hahahahaha hehehehehehe!!! no they are not. not every pyramid is a ponzi moron. a ponzi is a specific type of pyramid scheme and amway does not fit the description. it looks like once again you know less than i do. be sure to answer very carefully. why theyre being sued by distributors that were lied to by their uplines and by amway. so what many large companies get sued all the time. if it was an illegal operation why does it still exist and who is suing them btw a quick search shows no government prosecutions. if amway is as illegal as you claim where are the criminal cases against them bought out by amway management bucks as in settled out of court for example. how do you settle a crimal case out of court they would have to have pled guilty and would have been shut down. lets not forget you are calling the entire company a modified ponzie and that would require a complete shutdown it it actually were. they sell products as does shaklee and avon. come on you claim to have all the answers again. they have a different structure and i never said that it was not in a pyramid scheme actually i never mentioned amway at all you did. and dont forget to answer my question. i did but im still waiting for yours. a pyramid scheme is a pyramid scheme. i never said different but that does not make it a ponzie. if you products are restricted to either use internally inside the organization or used to attract new distributors then its a pyramid not an mlm. bullshit. you need to learn a thing or about business structure but i think ive told you that before. you say lots of things budd and they usually are wrong just like now. what are you rambling about now actually amway is a mlm and has nothing to do with a ponzie scheme. wrong. its a disguised ponzie with the products used to attract new blood and restricted as much as possible to internal sales only. ponzie schemes dont sell anything that is what makes it a ponzie. now provide links to the criminal case that shut them down oh wait they are still in business and a huge company at that! so how many class action suits are there pending and being tried against the auto manufacturers and theyre still open. are you now saying that the automanufacturers are now also disguised ponzies if not then your point is pointless like you. i guess that you are wrong once again imagine that. nope you are. just look under http//www-2.cs.cmu.edu/dst/amway/ why dont you try this one there budd http//www.cocs.com/jhoagland/webhq.html pay close attention to the first sentence. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : dominyonbudd cochran

do you know anybody who spent time in jail for signing there name to one of the schemes it even says this is perfectly legal! if you have any doubts refer to title 18 sec. 1302 & 1341 of the postal lottery laws. dominyon yep it does. get caught and it will get you jail time guaranteed. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ how to turn $6 into $6000!!!!!! reading this could change your life! please read all! i found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. a little while back i was browsing through groups just like you are now and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! so i thought yeah right this must be a scam but like most of us i was curious so i kept reading. anyway it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the article. you then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6 and post the article in at least 200 groups. there are thousands no catch that was it. so after thinking it over and talking to a few people first i thought about trying it. i figured what have i got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00 right then i invested the measly $6.00. well guess what!!... within 7 days i started getting money in the mail! i was shocked! i figured it would end soon but the money just kept coming in. in my first week i made about $25.00. by the end of the second week i had made a total of over $1000.00! in the third week i had over $10000.00 and its still growing. this is now my fourth week and i have made a total of just over $42000.00 and its still coming in rapidly. its certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps i have spent more than that on the lottery!! let me tell you how this works and most importantly why it works....also make sure you print a copy of this article now so you can get the information off of it as you need it. i promise you that if you follow the directions exactly that you will start making more money than you thought possible by doing something so easy! suggestion read this entire message carefully! print it out or download it. follow the simple directions and watch the money come in! its easy. its legal. and your investment is only $6.00 plus postage important this is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! if all of the following instructions are adhered to you will receive extraordinary dividends. please note please follow these directions exactly and $50000 or more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. you will now become part of the mail order business. in this business your product is not solid and tangible its a service. you are in the business of developing mailing lists. many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. however the money made from the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people like you and me asking to be included in that list. here are the 4 easy steps to success step 1 get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper ;please put me on your mailing list. now get 6 us $1.00 bills and place one inside each of the 6 pieces ofacki p.o. box 1529 sutton west ontario l0e 1r0 #4ryan tucker 301 royal oaks blvd. apt. 3105 franklin tn 37067 #5bryan payne 157 oates ave holland park brisbane queensland australia 4121 # 6r crawford 5167 n 400 w laporteind. 46350 step 2 now take the #1 name off the list that you see above move the other names up 6 becomes 5 5 becomes 4 etc... and add your name as number 6 on the list. step 3 change anything you need to but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. now post your amended article to at least 200 groups. i think there are close to 24000 groups all you need is 200 but remember the more you post the more money you make! this is perfectly legal! if you have any doubts refer to title 18 sec. 1302 & 1341 of the postal lottery laws. keep a copy of these steps for yourself and whenever you need money you can use it again and again. please remember that this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. look at it this way. if you are of integrity the program will continue and the money that so many others have received will come your way. note you may want to retain every name and address sent to you either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. this verifi

From : budd cochran

tom you just had to start a spin on this instead of having a direct conversation. how typical of you. why are you afraid of direct conversation i admit i used terms youve corrupted into what now appears to be errors on my part and thats all i admit. the link you gave is to one of many lawsuits amway is battling. in this one is amway attacking a person that realized the mess amway is and got out and then tried to warn others. not really applicable especially considering procter and gambles involvement. as for the rest of your responses; im not wasting my time on your spin tactics. the program originally listed in the original post will only make money for the originator of the plan and no one else so it is a pyramid. anybody that falls for any pyramid legal or not is foolish at best. if im wrong then im wrong but i dont think i am. why dont you start an amway business and see for yourself though as much the liar and the spin artist you are you ought to fit right in. why dont you try the original pyramid in the post and prove me wrong -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ i never claimed to be right all of the time that was you and your idol jerry that came up with that. and you dont need to be a mechanic to have knowledge in the field. yes you have by your attitude at least. you know i worship only god. you are the reverse example of this correct that even with a claimed modicum of experience you still dont know anything. and yet i still know more than you and that really pisses you off doesnt it lol!!! are you saying that amway is a ponzie scheme yes but a modified form. they prefer to sell their products only to distributors and rarely outside the pyramid. hahahahaha hehehehehehe!!! no they are not. not every pyramid is a ponzi moron. a ponzi is a specific type of pyramid scheme and amway does not fit the description. it looks like once again you know less than i do. be sure to answer very carefully. why theyre being sued by distributors that were lied to by their uplines and by amway. so what many large companies get sued all the time. if it was an illegal operation why does it still exist and who is suing them btw a quick search shows no government prosecutions. if amway is as illegal as you claim where are the criminal cases against them bought out by amway management bucks as in settled out of court for example. how do you settle a crimal case out of court they would have to have pled guilty and would have been shut down. lets not forget you are calling the entire company a modified ponzie and that would require a complete shutdown it it actually were. they sell products as does shaklee and avon. come on you claim to have all the answers again. they have a different structure and i never said that it was not in a pyramid scheme actually i never mentioned amway at all you did. and dont forget to answer my question. i did but im still waiting for yours. a pyramid scheme is a pyramid scheme. i never said different but that does not make it a ponzie. if you products are restricted to either use internally inside the organization or used to attract new distributors then its a pyramid not an mlm. bullshit. you need to learn a thing or about business structure but i think ive told you that before. you say lots of things budd and they usually are wrong just like now. what are you rambling about now actually amway is a mlm and has nothing to do with a ponzie scheme. wrong. its a disguised ponzie with the products used to attract new blood and restricted as much as possible to internal sales only. ponzie schemes dont sell anything that is what makes it a ponzie. now provide links to the criminal case that shut them down oh wait they are still in business and a huge company at that! so how many class action suits are there pending and being tried against the auto manufacturers and theyre still open. are you now saying that the automanufacturers are now also disguised ponzies if not then your point is pointless like you. i guess that you are wrong once again imagine that. nope you are. just look under http//www-2.cs.cmu.edu/dst/amway/ why dont you try this one there budd http//www.cocs.com/jhoagland/webhq.html pay close attention to the first sentence. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

go for it. the only people that will make any real money are the ones that started it. its a ponzie pyramid scheme and a federal offense in the us. btw if they are out to rip you off do you really think theyll tell you its illegal -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ do you know anybody who spent time in jail for signing there name to one of the schemes it even says this is perfectly legal! if you have any doubts refer to title 18 sec. 1302 & 1341 of the postal lottery laws. dominyon yep it does. get caught and it will get you jail time guaranteed. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ how to turn $6 into $6000!!!!!! reading this could change your life! please read all! i found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. a little while back i was browsing through groups just like you are now and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! so i thought yeah right this must be a scam but like most of us i was curious so i kept reading. anyway it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the article. you then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6 and post the article in at least 200 groups. there are thousands no catch that was it. so after thinking it over and talking to a few people first i thought about trying it. i figured what have i got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00 right then i invested the measly $6.00. well guess what!!... within 7 days i started getting money in the mail! i was shocked! i figured it would end soon but the money just kept coming in. in my first week i made about $25.00. by the end of the second week i had made a total of over $1000.00! in the third week i had over $10000.00 and its still growing. this is now my fourth week and i have made a total of just over $42000.00 and its still coming in rapidly. its certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps i have spent more than that on the lottery!! let me tell you how this works and most importantly why it works....also make sure you print a copy of this article now so you can get the information off of it as you need it. i promise you that if you follow the directions exactly that you will start making more money than you thought possible by doing something so easy! suggestion read this entire message carefully! print it out or download it. follow the simple directions and watch the money come in! its easy. its legal. and your investment is only $6.00 plus postage important this is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! if all of the following instructions are adhered to you will receive extraordinary dividends. please note please follow these directions exactly and $50000 or more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. please continue its6 sealed envelopes each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase your name and address and a $1.00 bill. what you are doing is creating a service. this is absolutely legal! you are requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it! like most of us i was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. so i checked it out with the u.s. post office 1-800-725-2161 and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses #1 kevin lee 8377 apt. i montgomery run rd. ellicott city md 2104 #2 stephanie hicks 1283 evening canyon henderson nv 89014 #3 matt madracki p.o. box 1529 sutton west ontario l0e 1r0 #4ryan tucker 301 royal oaks blvd. apt. 3105 franklin tn 37067 #5bryan payne 157 oates ave holland park brisbane queensland australia 4121 # 6r crawford 5167 n 400 w laporteind. 46350 step 2 now take the #1 name off the list that you see above move the other names up 6 becomes 5 5 becomes 4 etc... and add your name as number 6 on the list. step 3 change anything you need to but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. now post your amended article to at least 200 groups. i think there are close to 24000 groups all you need is 200 but remember the more you post the more money you make! this is perfectly legal! if you have any doubts refer to title 18 sec. 1302 & 1341 of the postal lottery laws. keep a copy of these steps for yourself and whenever you need money you can use it again and again. please remember that this program remains successful because of the honesty and integr

From : tbone

tom you just had to start a spin on this instead of having a direct conversation. how typical of you. why are you afraid of direct conversation where exactly did i spin anything what conversation are you referring to do you mean the parts where you say that i dont know anything where you insult my religious beliefs or just your general insults towards me i admit i used terms youve corrupted into what now appears to be errors on my part and thats all i admit. lol face it budd i didnt spin anything. you were just wrong. the link you gave is to one of many lawsuits amway is battling. in this one is amway attacking a person that realized the mess amway is and got out and then tried to warn others. not really applicable especially considering procter and gambles involvement. it is completely applicable as it defines amway as a mlm which it is there is nothing else that it could be. amways uplinks and downlinks are the very definition of a mlm. as for the rest of your responses; im not wasting my time on your spin tactics. what was that you said about my credibility and not answering the questions it looks that by your own hand your is in the toilet now. the program originally listed in the original post will only make money for the originator of the plan and no one else so it is a pyramid. anybody that falls for any pyramid legal or not is foolish at best. in this we are in complete agreement and never said anything different. do you do this just for the sake of arguing with me if im wrong then im wrong but i dont think i am. that depends on what you are talking about. if you are talking about if this crap is legal or not who knows. tom brought up a good link that makes me wonder now. i thought that it was under the cover of the mailing list but i may be wrong. since they did not specifically mention ngs who knows. as far as this or amway being a ponzie scheme on that you are wrong. they are not. why dont you start an amway business and see for yourself though as much the liar and the spin artist you are you ought to fit right in. is this all you can do insult me it really doesnt say much for your character. now i know that i do it as well but nowhere near as often and i dont put myself on the high moral platform that you do. why dont you try the original pyramid in the post and prove me wrong -- what for i know that they are stupid and never claimed that they were anything else. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

go for it. the only people that will make any real money are the ones that started it. its a ponzie pyramid scheme and a federal offense in the us. btw if they are out to rip you off do you really think theyll tell you its illegal once again you post mis-information. while it is based on a pyramid scheme it is not illegal. why you ask because they are capitalizing on a loophole in the law. ya see they are building a mailing list and therefore providing a service. the people that are giving the money are paying to be on that mailing list which equates to paying for a service. the people collecting the money are building the mailing lists and simply providing a service and being paid for doing it. even though the method of collecting the names appears to be based on a pyramid scheme that in itself is not illegal. in all honesty if any of these mailing lists grow to any valid size they would be worth a fortune and i think that you can see why. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .