gas pump leak?

From : rachel easson

Q: i checked out the engine oil in the 360 that came with the 72 w100 with snow plow and harness and although the oil had no grit it did smell of gasoline. the engine is not seized. other than giving it an oil change before doing anything else can i assume it could be a gas pump leak and i ought to change that too before trying to turn it over or could i just try to start it after the oil change and see if it runs at all check the oil again for gasoline after running it for a few minutes how much damage a short term test might do if it leaks gasoline again -- or am i likely to do no damage because the engine is already screwed oh also i am pretty sure the 360 and 400 have a compatible tranny -- the 720 in which case i could swap in this tranny to the 400 -- both are automatic 4x4s the tranny oil looks good -- esp. since this truck has sat for at least a few years. would like to try to get the 360 moving even with portable gas container method to see if tranny will move from 1st to 2nd smoothly around the yard. if 360 is good tranny on 400 might eventually be destined for it after rebuild. thanks rach .

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From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

i checked out the engine oil in the 360 that came with the 72 w100 with snow plow and harness and although the oil had no grit it did smell of gasoline. the engine is not seized. other than giving it an oil change before doing anything else can i assume it could be a gas pump leak and i ought to change that too before trying to turn it over or could i just try to start it after the oil change and see if it runs at all check the oil again for gasoline after running it for a few minutes how much damage a short term test might do if it leaks gasoline again -- or am i likely to do no damage because the engine is already screwed there are a couple ways for gas and oil to mix; leaky fuel pump leaky / flooding carb. replace the pump and the oil before starting. gas is a lousy engine lubricant. oh also i am pretty sure the 360 and 400 have a compatible tranny -- the 720 in which case i could swap in this tranny to the 400 -- both are automatic 4x4s the tranny oil looks good -- esp. since this truck has sat for at least a few years. sorry rach but its a no-go. the 360 and then 400 have different bellhousing bolt patterns and iirc different engine balancing 360 = external balanced 400 = intern

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote i checked out the engine oil in the 360 that came with the 72 w100 with snow plow and harness and although the oil had no grit it did smell of gasoline. the engine is not seized. other than giving it an oil change before doing anything else can i assume it could be a gas pump leak and i ought to change that too before trying to turn it over or could i just try to start it after the oil change and see if it runs at all check the oil again for gasoline after running it for a few minutes how much damage a short term test might do if it leaks gasoline again -- or am i likely to do no damage because the engine is already screwed there are a couple ways for gas and oil to mix; leaky fuel pump leaky / flooding carb. replace the pump and the oil before starting. gas is a lousy engine lubricant. ok will do its cheaper as well as better in this case to be safe than sorry. oh also i am pretty sure the 360 and 400 have a compatible tranny -- the 720 in which case i could swap in this tranny to the 400 -- both are automatic 4x4s the tranny oil looks good -- esp. since this truck has sat for at least a few years. sorry rach but its a no-go. the 360 and then 400 have different bellhousing bolt patterns and iirc different engine balancing 360 = external balanced 400 = internal balanced so the torque coinverter would need to be changed. would this be possible the bolt patterns are too far different in bolt locations as well as physical diameter. the only options that would allow the swapwould add from a few hundred dollars to possibly a thousand dollars to the cost. to help identify the differences the 273-360 engines have the distributor in the back la blocks and the 400 has it up front b / rb blocks would like to try to get the 360 moving even with portable gas container method to see if tranny will move from 1st to 2nd smoothly around the yard. if 360 is good tranny on 400 might eventually be destined for it after rebuild. thanks rach i wish they would swap for you because i know you need to stretch the dollars but im afraid they wont. whats wrong with the 400 absolutely nothing -- but before richard died he told me the transmission needs about $300 in parts -- plus labour did he say what it was doing or not doing weve several good trans guys here in the group and it could be simple. all the differences between small block and big block transmissions are in the way the case is made. internal parts will swap as long as both are 727 transmissions and you swap all the parts there are minor differences from year to year. budd thanks for your help rach youre always welcome my friend. budd *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** .

From : rachel easson

budd cochran wrote i checked out the engine oil in the 360 that came with the 72 w100 with snow plow and harness and although the oil had no grit it did smell of gasoline. the engine is not seized. other than giving it an oil change before doing anything else can i assume it could be a gas pump leak and i ought to change that too before trying to turn it over or could i just try to start it after the oil change and see if it runs at all check the oil again for gasoline after running it for a few minutes how much damage a short term test might do if it leaks gasoline again -- or am i likely to do no damage because the engine is already screwed there are a couple ways for gas and oil to mix; leaky fuel pump leaky / flooding carb. replace the pump and the oil before starting. gas is a lousy engine lubricant. ok will do oh also i am pretty sure the 360 and 400 have a compatible tranny -- the 720 in which case i could swap in this tranny to the 400 -- both are automatic 4x4s the tranny oil looks good -- esp. since this truck has sat for at least a few years. sorry rach but its a no-go. the 360 and then 400 have different bellhousing bolt patterns and iirc different engine balancing 360 = external balanced 400 = internal balanced so the torque coinverter would need to be changed. would this be possible to help identify the differences the 273-360 engines have the distributor in the back la blocks and the 400 has it up front b / rb blocks would like to try to get the 360 moving even with portable gas container method to see if tranny will move from 1st to 2nd smoothly around the yard. if 360 is good tranny on 400 might eventually be destined for it after rebuild. thanks rach i wish they would swap for you because i know you need to stretch the dollars but im afraid they wont. whats wrong with the 400 absolutely nothing -- but before richard died he told me the transmission needs about $300 in parts -- plus labour budd thanks for your help rach .

From : ace

rach my 72 318 did this once. just changed the pump checked the oil and onward. i would imagine he gasoline just evaporates but to be safe chenge the oil also. bob az .

From : rachel easson

ace wrote rach my 72 318 did this once. just changed the pump checked the oil and onward. i would imagine he gasoline just evaporates but to be safe chenge the oil also. bob az thanks bob will do -- oil is cheap and easy to change but these motors are not grn -- its the fuel pump i was more hoping to avoid until the test was done -- need a flexible extension i think -- the pump was a total pita to change in the 225 1/32 turns at a time for the underside bolts maybe ill look into hooking up the electric fuel pump until the engine has been tested rach .

From : rachel easson

budd cochran wrote budd cochran wrote i checked out the engine oil in the 360 that came with the 72 w100 with snow plow and harness and although the oil had no grit it did smell of gasoline. the engine is not seized. other than giving it an oil change before doing anything else can i assume it could be a gas pump leak and i ought to change that too before trying to turn it over or could i just try to start it after the oil change and see if it runs at all check the oil again for gasoline after running it for a few minutes how much damage a short term test might do if it leaks gasoline again -- or am i likely to do no damage because the engine is already screwed there are a couple ways for gas and oil to mix; leaky fuel pump leaky / flooding carb. replace the pump and the oil before starting. gas is a lousy engine lubricant. ok will do its cheaper as well as better in this case to be safe than sorry. oh also i am pretty sure the 360 and 400 have a compatible tranny -- the 720 in which case i could swap in this tranny to the 400 -- both are automatic 4x4s the tranny oil looks good -- esp. since this truck has sat for at least a few years. sorry rach but its a no-go. the 360 and then 400 have different bellhousing bolt patterns and iirc different engine balancing 360 = external balanced 400 = internal balanced so the torque coinverter would need to be changed. would this be possible the bolt patterns are too far different in bolt locations as well as physical diameter. the only options that would allow the swapwould add from a few hundred dollars to possibly a thousand dollars to the cost. to help identify the differences the 273-360 engines have the distributor in the back la blocks and the 400 has it up front b / rb blocks would like to try to get the 360 moving even with portable gas container method to see if tranny will move from 1st to 2nd smoothly around the yard. if 360 is good tranny on 400 might eventually be destined for it after rebuild. thanks rach i wish they would swap for you because i know you need to stretch the dollars but im afraid they wont. whats wrong with the 400 absolutely nothing -- but before richard died he told me the transmission needs about $300 in parts -- plus labour did he say what it was doing or not doing alas no he didnt weve several good trans guys here in the group i could try to ask his uncle -- he knows. -- but then again the rich little shit wont return my sons messages was 10 then because he owes him an amp great big thing sitting in his basement for years -- also wouldnt let me know when the family meeting was chez lui exactly a year today to decide what theyd do with richards body richard talked about research donation for diabetics -- and positively would not speak to me after finding out the house is in my sons name and he couldnt get the family to force me to sell and get his grubby hands on some of their half... but yes it is probably worth my satisfaction to drive up there with my son and haunt him grn and it could be simple. and if its simple you know i am going to want to get my grubby little hands in there grn all the differences between small block and big block transmissions are in the way the case is made. internal parts will swap as long as both are 727 transmissions and you swap all the parts there are minor differences from year to year. oh cool! i have some money right now. ill go to the local trans shop and try to get an atsg manual and ive already bookmarked an hp how-to book and a tci manual as max suggested and will order the berkley trades 727 book avail. through chapters as john suggested rach p.s. i found another transmission in the yard large of course under a pile of snow beside the plywood pile but properly protected. it reads 1881 on the casing in two inch size numbers -- havent turned it over yet because i need to get a good size bucket for the oil -- any idea what it is budd thanks for your help rach youre always welcome my friend. thank you. i really appreciate that budd .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote budd cochran wrote i checked out the engine oil in the 360 that came with the 72 w100 with snow plow and harness and although the oil had no grit it did smell of gasoline. the engine is not seized. other than giving it an oil change before doing anything else can i assume it could be a gas pump leak and i ought to change that too before trying to turn it over or could i just try to start it after the oil change and see if it runs at all check the oil again for gasoline after running it for a few minutes how much damage a short term test might do if it leaks gasoline again -- or am i likely to do no damage because the engine is already screwed there are a couple ways for gas and oil to mix; leaky fuel pump leaky / flooding carb. replace the pump and the oil before starting. gas is a lousy engine lubricant. ok will do its cheaper as well as better in this case to be safe than sorry. oh also i am pretty sure the 360 and 400 have a compatible tranny -- the 720 in which case i could swap in this tranny to the 400 -- both are automatic 4x4s the tranny oil looks good -- esp. since this truck has sat for at least a few years. sorry rach but its a no-go. the 360 and then 400 have different bellhousing bolt patterns and iirc different engine balancing 360 = external balanced 400 = internal balanced so the torque coinverter would need to be changed. would this be possible the bolt patterns are too far different in bolt locations as well as physical diameter. the only options that would allow the swapwould add from a few hundred dollars to possibly a thousand dollars to the cost. to help identify the differences the 273-360 engines have the distributor in the back la blocks and the 400 has it up front b / rb blocks would like to try to get the 360 moving even with portable gas container method to see if tranny will move from 1st to 2nd smoothly around the yard. if 360 is good tranny on 400 might eventually be destined for it after rebuild. thanks rach i wish they would swap for you because i know you need to stretch the dollars but im afraid they wont. whats wrong with the 400 absolutely nothing -- but before richard died he told me the transmission needs about $300 in parts -- plus labour did he say what it was doing or not doing alas no he didnt darn. so many 727/904 problems can be repaired with a fluid / filter change and band adjustments. weve several good trans guys here in the group i could try to ask his uncle -- he knows. -- but then again the rich little shit wont return my sons messages was 10 then because he owes him an amp great big thing sitting in his basement for years -- also wouldnt let me know when the family meeting was chez lui exactly a year today to decide what theyd do with richards body richard talked about research donation for diabetics -- and positively would not speak to me after finding out the house is in my sons name and he couldnt get the family to force me to sell and get his grubby hands on some of their half... but yes it is probably worth my satisfaction to drive up there with my son and haunt him grn and it could be simple. and if its simple you know i am going to want to get my grubby little hands in there grn lol one of these days ya gotta send me a pic of you and claude so i can put faces to all this can-do attitude running amuck in the canadian woods. all the differences between small block and big block transmissions are in the way the case is made. internal parts will swap as long as both are 727 transmissions and you swap all the parts there are minor differences from year to year. oh cool! i have some money right now. ill go to the local trans shop and try to get an atsg manual and ive already bookmarked an hp how-to book and a tci manual as max suggested and will order the berkley trades 727 book avail. through chapters as john suggested go for it lady!!! rach p.s. i found another transmission in the yard large of course under a pile of snow beside the plywood pile but properly protected. it reads 1881 on the casing in two inch size numbers -- havent turned it over yet because i need to get a good size bucket for the oil -- any idea what it is that number is just a casting number probably. look at the shape of the pan. if the pan has a semi-circular protrusion where the dipstick enters the case then you have a 727 if not its probably a 904. you need to verify the spline counts and diameters on torque converters / input shafts before swapping parts. there were a couple years where those were changed just enough to cause problems. budd thanks for your help rach youre always welcome my friend. thank you. i really appreciate that aw shuckins maam twerent nuttin. picture of a small embarrassed boy kicking a pebble budd *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** .

From : rachel easson

budd cochran wrote budd cochran wrote budd cochran wrote i checked out the engine oil in the 360 that came with the 72 w100 with snow plow and harness and although the oil had no grit it did smell of gasoline. the engine is not seized. other than giving it an oil change before doing anything else can i assume it could be a gas pump leak and i ought to change that too before trying to turn it over or could i just try to start it after the oil change and see if it runs at all check the oil again for gasoline after running it for a few minutes how much damage a short term test might do if it leaks gasoline again -- or am i likely to do no damage because the engine is already screwed there are a couple ways for gas and oil to mix; leaky fuel pump leaky / flooding carb. replace the pump and the oil before starting. gas is a lousy engine lubricant. ok will do its cheaper as well as better in this case to be safe than sorry. oh also i am pretty sure the 360 and 400 have a compatible tranny -- the 720 in which case i could swap in this tranny to the 400 -- both are automatic 4x4s the tranny oil looks good -- esp. since this truck has sat for at least a few years. sorry rach but its a no-go. the 360 and then 400 have different bellhousing bolt patterns and iirc different engine balancing 360 = external balanced 400 = internal balanced so the torque coinverter would need to be changed. would this be possible the bolt patterns are too far different in bolt locations as well as physical diameter. the only options that would allow the swapwould add from a few hundred dollars to possibly a thousand dollars to the cost. to help identify the differences the 273-360 engines have the distributor in the back la blocks and the 400 has it up front b / rb blocks would like to try to get the 360 moving even with portable gas container method to see if tranny will move from 1st to 2nd smoothly around the yard. if 360 is good tranny on 400 might eventually be destined for it after rebuild. thanks rach i wish they would swap for you because i know you need to stretch the dollars but im afraid they wont. whats wrong with the 400 absolutely nothing -- but before richard died he told me the transmission needs about $300 in parts -- plus labour did he say what it was doing or not doing alas no he didnt darn. so many 727/904 problems can be repaired with a fluid / filter change and band adjustments. he did say something about $300 in parts weve several good trans guys here in the group i could try to ask his uncle -- he knows. -- but then again the rich little shit wont return my sons messages was 10 then because he owes him an amp great big thing sitting in his basement for years -- also wouldnt let me know when the family meeting was chez lui exactly a year today to decide what theyd do with richards body richard talked about research donation for diabetics -- and positively would not speak to me after finding out the house is in my sons name and he couldnt get the family to force me to sell and get his grubby hands on some of their half... but yes it is probably worth my satisfaction to drive up there with my son and haunt him grn and it could be simple. and if its simple you know i am going to want to get my grubby little hands in there grn lol one of these days ya gotta send me a pic of you and claude so i can put faces to all this can-do attitude running amuck in the canadian woods. all the differences between small block and big block transmissions are in the way the case is made. internal parts will swap as long as both are 727 transmissions and you swap all the parts there are minor differences from year to year. oh cool! i have some money right now. ill go to the local trans shop and try to get an atsg manual and ive already bookmarked an hp how-to book and a tci manual as max suggested and will order the berkley trades 727 book avail. through chapters as john suggested go for it lady!!! rach p.s. i found another transmission in the yard large of course under a pile of snow beside the plywood pile but properly protected. it reads 1881 on the casing in two inch size numbers -- havent turned it over yet because i need to get a good size bucket for the oil -- any idea what it is that number is just a casting number probably. look at the shape of the pan. if the pan has a semi-circular protrusion where the dipstick enters the case then you have a 727 if not its probably a 904. you need to verify the spline counts and diameters on torque converters / input shafts before swapping parts. there were a couple years where those were changed just enough to cause problems. budd thanks for your help rach youre always welcome my friend. thank you. i really appreciate that aw shuckins maam twerent nuttin. picture of a small embarrassed boy kicking a pebble vbgrn rach budd .