flat rate/incentive program.
From : max dodge
Q: in response to max dodge s post. i thought everyone should know any of you who work at a dealership have a flat rate incentive plan by which you get paid if so im interested in hearing the details of the system. lol denny may or maynot agree with me.....its sucks. you get paid say 14 hours for a 5.2l engine swap irrc this is book time for the br/be and the an/i forget the body desg for the durango now this is the pay doesnt matter if you spend 24 hours or 8 hours doing the work. of course you really want to be able to do the work in 8 hours right same goes for other stuff there are recalls that pay as alittle as .2 of an hour. warranty rates are less for the same job as what customer pay is these are usually lunch eaters when it comes to engine work witch was what i did when i worked in the dealership needless to say if your not turning a wrench your not getting paid....and sometimes just because you are turning a wrench doesnt always mean you are getting paid....or atleast not being paid for all your time anyways. i didnt mind the pay so much when i was single. but it really sucked during slow times when i was married and a kid i was the only income for quite some time does any of that answer your questions -- chris .
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From : max dodge
het greg!! im heading north next saturday. should be going into hell around 1pm. anything new or different or any shit to watch for please keep me posted roy .
From : denny
well it has turned out not to be the pick-up coils- i replaced the entire distributor it was 5 bucks cheaper than the pick-up coil plate! and it died again in the same way. ive gone through the harness coming from the firewall this morning and just finished re-wrapping the second smaller harness tonight with all the upper engine connections like the coil alt pick-up leads etc and found no breaks burns or chaffing on any of it. im convinced its not a problem in the wiring itself and am leaning towards a component. the starter relay checks out fine as does the ballast resistor. going to check the coil tomorrow. thanks for the leads everyone. rk .
From : max dodge
miles wrote beryl wrote you mean like asrock the cheapy brand from asus no. asus does not sell the same identical board as both a higher priced and a cheap 2nd label board. what do they skimp on for the asrock brand features parts quality workmanship abit does just like pc-chips. i didnt know that! and i had the impression that pc chips was already a bargain brand but theyre sold even cheaper what abit boards are disguised under another name .
From : coasty
on fri 31 aug 2007 183235 -0700 azwiley1 wiley156@yahoo.com wrote first let me say be careful as all the assholes are on the road and the cops are out too. enjoy your day off now for the sickening part the bush administration is talking about and at this time it is likely to happen opening our border completely to mexican over the road trucks. in doing so they will have free run of our highways and interstates anywhere in the conus! what a slap in the face to american workers! never happen larry... too many existing laws regarding safety for one thing.... i see trucks every day with bald tires 1 or 2 brakes working etc... afaik theyre allowed to bring loads from mexico to the us but come back empty.. besides the safety and wage issue the mexican trucking companies have the huge advantage of diesel being a little over $2.00 a gallon here.. my guess is the admin is spinning a bit like when the fence issue came up... gonna do 1000 miles of fence and did 10 or 20.. might be a coincidence but the mexican presidents version of the state of the union speech is today... as to crazies on the road i can see lines of rvs and toy haulers jamming the hiway from my roof... pincha gringo touristas.. lol mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : mike simmons
back to the dark side. i started out repairning locomotives went to bicycles back to locomotives played with hot rods did repos moved on to forklifts and such then took a relatively flexible job because of circumstances. now im moving back to a challenge and a better pay package. 25 years to retirement no time like now to get started on making retirement easy. -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york its an odd mix of equipment all geared towards farm outdoor and the small excavator. they deal in kubota who doesnt have an accurate time guide mahindra deere lawn products dixie choppers and suzuki motorcycles and four wheelers. deere has a pretty decent time guide but theyve been in the business a bit longer than kubota. im not sure where mahindra stands on it. currently they have one tech who is leaving for a job with the local government one tech who has a clock over his head see it and the shop owner who is moving up to the jobs he should be attending as shop owner. -- max sooooo yer getting into the repair biz huh welcome to the dark side ;^. mike everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york thanks for the info denny. ill get your email if i have more questions after we get into the discussions on how to set this up. the one thing running against the techs at this point is at least one of the manufacturers doesnt have an accurate flat rate book. fortunately the management is aware of this so were in the process of doing time studies on everything that comes through. just out of curiosity what kind of dealer is this automotive ive never run into a manufacturer that didnt have a warrenty time guide. it doesnt really matter if its accurate or not its the time they go by. sometimes you can get a little extra on certain lops if you have really good cause and accurate time stamps denny .
From : max dodge
grimisme@gmail.com wrote well it has turned out not to be the pick-up coil you didnt mention checking the ignition switch. t-bone pointed that out in the first reply to your post. -- ken .
From : denny
thanks for the info denny. ill get your email if i have more questions after we get into the discussions on how to set this up. the one thing running against the techs at this point is at least one of the manufacturers doesnt have an accurate flat rate book. fortunately the management is aware of this so were in the process of doing time studies on everything that comes through. i start on the 10th so it should be interesting. apparently the owner of the company was the shop foreman service writer and lead tech. then he had to run the company and that lead to problems for the shop making money. they have a guy to do the service writing and supervise getting work done. thats where i come in i take the tech side and lead the shop force in solving the tough stuff. if all goes well im gonna have to find a few good technicians. -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york to start off with chris hit the nail on the head. i cant really add any more to it. says a lot about why i insisted the company offering me a job give me a base salary with a guaranteed cola and a bonus/incentive program to cover the possibility of billing more than my actual work time. basically i negotiated a cost of living increase as well as performance bonuses. you got a fantastic deal. that would never have happened in the lima area. my next question since im going to be part of the brain trust putting this system together is if someone has a bonus system what sort of hours are worked/billed for what rate of bonus the ones that ive heard about are for example..... up to 40 flat rate hours per week you are paid xx.xx dollars. from 40 to 45 fl you are paid xy.xx dollars. over 45 hours you are paid xz.xx dollars. it sounds good but you can manipulate it once you learn how. for example.... you are on pace to get 48 hours this week and its down to the last afternoon for work. you get handed a used car to do get it checked over and get 7 hours of work okd. you flag all the time on that job for this week even tho the work is not done. now you hit your next highest pay bracket and are happy....till you realize that you have to work next week for free to get that car done. so you wiggle some more time to catch up. its a vicious circle that sometimes management dont catch. another one is if the shop hits its goal hours for the week everyone gets a bonus. that one seems to work but it rewards the one that doesnt pull his weight and the guy that busts ass feels slighted. and then theres the one that you get a percentage of the parts that you sell. that is a real incentive to put on a few extra parts that arent needed on every job. this one really sucks from the customer point of view. the bottom line is that i dont like bonus programs. pay a fair flat rate wage and go from there. keep an eye on each techs productivity. anything over 125% needs to have some spot checks done and keep an eye on it. other neat things ive been promised are training by the manufacturers and a say in how the shop operates and is physically set up. factory training is a must. dont know what youre getting into but automotive is changing so fast that constant training is a neccasitiy. sp as far as benefits ive been offered a 30/70 they pay 70% health care program and 401k. that is on par with what ive got. my company has a profit sharing system where the owner throws some bucks every year into the 401k plan. some years are better than others but overall it works. if you want i can get you my email so we can get to specifics. denny -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york in response to max dodge s post. i thought everyone should know any of you who work at a dealership have a flat rate incentive plan by which you get paid if so im interested in hearing the details of the system. lol denny may or maynot agree with me.....its sucks. you get paid say 14 hours for a 5.2l engine swap irrc this is book time for the br/be and the an/i forget the body desg for the durango now this is the pay doesnt matter if you spend 24 hours or 8 hours doing the work. of course you really want to be able to do the work in 8 hours right same goes for other stuff there are recalls that pay as alittle as .2 of an hour. warranty rates are less for the same job as what customer pay is these are usually lunch eaters when it comes to engine work witch was what i did when i worked in the dealership needless to say if your not turning a wrench your not getting paid....and sometimes just because you are turning a wrench doesnt always mean you are getting paid....or atleast not being paid for all your time anyways. i didnt mind the pay so much when i was single. but it really sucked during s
From : bigironram
to start off with chris hit the nail on the head. i cant really add any more to it. says a lot about why i insisted the company offering me a job give me a base salary with a guaranteed cola and a bonus/incentive program to cover the possibility of billing more than my actual work time. basically i negotiated a cost of living increase as well as performance bonuses. you got a fantastic deal. that would never have happened in the lima area. my next question since im going to be part of the brain trust putting this system together is if someone has a bonus system what sort of hours are worked/billed for what rate of bonus the ones that ive heard about are for example..... up to 40 flat rate hours per week you are paid xx.xx dollars. from 40 to 45 fl you are paid xy.xx dollars. over 45 hours you are paid xz.xx dollars. it sounds good but you can manipulate it once you learn how. for example.... you are on pace to get 48 hours this week and its down to the last afternoon for work. you get handed a used car to do get it checked over and get 7 hours of work okd. you flag all the time on that job for this week even tho the work is not done. now you hit your next highest pay bracket and are happy....till you realize that you have to work next week for free to get that car done. so you wiggle some more time to catch up. its a vicious circle that sometimes management dont catch. another one is if the shop hits its goal hours for the week everyone gets a bonus. that one seems to work but it rewards the one that doesnt pull his weight and the guy that busts ass feels slighted. and then theres the one that you get a percentage of the parts that you sell. that is a real incentive to put on a few extra parts that arent needed on every job. this one really sucks from the customer point of view. the bottom line is that i dont like bonus programs. pay a fair flat rate wage and go from there. keep an eye on each techs productivity. anything over 125% needs to have some spot checks done and keep an eye on it. other neat things ive been promised are training by the manufacturers and a say in how the shop operates and is physically set up. factory training is a must. dont know what youre getting into but automotive is changing so fast that constant training is a neccasitiy. sp as far as benefits ive been offered a 30/70 they pay 70% health care program and 401k. that is on par with what ive got. my company has a profit sharing system where the owner throws some bucks every year into the 401k plan. some years are better than others but overall it works. if you want i can get you my email so we can get to specifics. denny -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york in response to max dodge s post. i thought everyone should know any of you who work at a dealership have a flat rate incentive plan by which you get paid if so im interested in hearing the details of the system. lol denny may or maynot agree with me.....its sucks. you get paid say 14 hours for a 5.2l engine swap irrc this is book time for the br/be and the an/i forget the body desg for the durango now this is the pay doesnt matter if you spend 24 hours or 8 hours doing the work. of course you really want to be able to do the work in 8 hours right same goes for other stuff there are recalls that pay as alittle as .2 of an hour. warranty rates are less for the same job as what customer pay is these are usually lunch eaters when it comes to engine work witch was what i did when i worked in the dealership needless to say if your not turning a wrench your not getting paid....and sometimes just because you are turning a wrench doesnt always mean you are getting paid....or atleast not being paid for all your time anyways. i didnt mind the pay so much when i was single. but it really sucked during slow times when i was married and a kid i was the only income for quite some time does any of that answer your questions -- chris .
From : max dodge
my brother in law worked for a chevy dealer who paid by flat rate and did it for 20 years. the good mechanics will end-up getting most of the work because customers will insist on them. he was in a small town and got lots of work most of the bs and recalls were done by others. he got yearly bonuses based on his salary and repeat customers his benefits sucked but he was pulling in 70 to 120 k $$ a year. they switched to flat rate when he had 10 years with the company and he did go to a lot of training. the fact is the flat rate is a wind fall for the dealership because when there is no work you do not get paid reducing the overhead costs. -- coasty 71 xl sold in 89 89 xl sold in 03 03xlc 100th anniversary 07 50xl 50th anniversary any of you who work at a dealership have a flat rate incentive plan by which you get paid if so im interested in hearing the details of the system. -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york .
From : chris thompson
first let me say be careful as all the assholes are on the road and the cops are out too. enjoy your day off now for the sickening part the bush administration is talking about and at this time it is likely to happen opening our border completely to mexican over the road trucks. in doing so they will have free run of our highways and interstates anywhere in the conus! what a slap in the face to american workers! .