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From : nathan w collier
Q: on thu 08 may 2008 152459 -0400 roy wrote on thu 08 may 2008 065618 -0400 roy wrote on wed 7 may 2008 193504 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote after almost 10 months of unreal bs we finally sold the house in ma!!! free at last!!!! cool... did it close already or is it a pending sale closed on it tuesday money is in the bank. of course now it will take some more serious thought as to how to put it to work where it will be secure and realize a decent return. roy mac please remove splinters before emailing give it to me and i will invest it in companies like springfield and glock maybe even jeep or dodge *snicker* springfield well ...okay. glock nah. sig is nice. jeep only if they have round headlights. dodge i dont know how dc is doing. maybe the parent company. vbg roy -- chris and whats wrong with square head lights theyre gay...... real jeeps have round eyes... denny .
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From : ed h
sorry to burst your bubble max but you are incorrect. you have heard of the current recession right as for the unemployment numbers they are completely bogus at this point in time as they are based on assumptions that have not been valid for years. tbone the numbers i used compared two bogus sets according to you. as such both sets are subject to the same inaccuracies. therefore the nearly 10% unemployment of 1982 an 1983 still are double what they are now. just because the number is doubled doesnt mean that the number of people were doubled and there is no way to know how accurate this number even is. times are very different now and the assumptions used to create this number are far more invalid now then they were 20 + years ago. they are based on people in the work force employed long enough to collect unemployment insurance and if a person doesnt find a job by the time it runs out they are determined to be no longer looking for work and are no longer included in that number. i wonder how many people were removed from the counted work force during the crash at the beginning of bushs first term that were never added back. the inflation rates are not subject to your claimed inaccuracies and we still havent hit the nearly 15% of the early 1980s. the difference is then it was inflation and now it is stagflation which is far worse. the current recession is subject to much debate. recession implies that the economy is shrinking. currently the economy is not shrinking it simply isnt growing at the rate which it has the past several years. if you have studied history or economics you know that economic growth cannot continue unabated or rampant inflation follows. usually something intervenes such as a readjustment. such is exactly the case this time. bullshit. the economy was hardly raging at any time during the bush term and much of that was due to the housing bubble and the recovery of the crash in 2001. believe what youd like but the facts speak for themselves. the economy showed about 1% growth in the first quarter unemployment is hovering around 5% and inflation is around 6%. none of these are anywhere near as bad as the early 80s. you are comparing apples to cars. the growth in the economy can be and usually is fudged to make it look better than it really is unless it really is good and even then.... until another census is taken nobody has any idea how accurate those unemployment numbers really are and that number also doesnt take into account the number of people who lost a job and were forced to take another one at half of their previous pay. inflation isnt as big of an issue as stagflation which we are currently dealing with. the biggest indicator of the weakness in the economy is the commodities markets. even with reports of excesses like in oil the price not only doesnt go down as they should they set new records which shows that the people in the know see how bad things really are and keep putting their money where they feel it is safest regardless of reports. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : fmb
too warm. i prefer the low temps of the chesapeake at least until mid july. then it goes up. -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york i understand that it may be that way where you are. but the figures for the country arent bad. plus the specific jobs you mention are in the one market that is down. but that has far reaching effect into other related industries. its not 1980s bad just yet. and what are you looking for in a pawn shop a decent penn 850 surf reel. they had a 950 but for $20 more i can buy a new one off ebay. oh the water is about 78 degrees. roy max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york nope. even the job market is doing fairly well. its hovering around 5% unemployment and thats good. everyone got used to an economy that was growing as fast as weve ever seen and forgot the fact that it was above normal. check here and youll find the unemployment rate is slightly higher than normal but right in line with the normal cyclical nature over several years. look at 1982 and 1983 and youll see why im saying the job less rate right now is nothing to worry about. http//www.econstats.com/bls/blsnaa4.htm all the figure in the world dont change what is going on here. there are guys standing at intersections holding signs saying roofer needs work. i never saw that before. also a pawn shop i was in 6 months ago had a nail gun for sale yesterday there had to be 25 nail guns. when tradesmen start pawning their tools there is a hint there.the housing market collapse has put a ton of folks out of work. these new jobs are wally world type part time minimum wage no benefits. no where near the good paying jobs that were lost. lowes and home depot have laid of thousands and closed distribution centers. of course now they have self check outs. max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york the fact is the economy is doing fine. down a bit but not terrible at all. the real killer is the fuel prices not the housing market. and yep thats all tied back to the housing market. but the economy and the stock market havent crashed just the housing market. dont believe everything you read in the papers. the job market has pretty much crashed as well. roy max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york mac davis wrote oh.. if you think the crash is a myth i have a house you can take over payment on in california... it only went from $320k to 200k in a year or so but since its a myth... thats an entirely different matter. the housing market ballooned and was way over inflated for a few short years. it went through a correction. it has little to do with economic issues. your 320k house was probably a under 200k just 3-5 years ago. thats the way it is here in phoenix. current prices are just above what they were 3-5 years ago. california is a tad different with massively over inflated prices for many years. people finally cashed out moved to cheaper states such as az and drove the prices up there. no way could it sustain itself. a correction was well predicted. once again miles you dont seem to see the big picture. the housing bubble and its aftermath is the reason for our current bad economy which is every bit as bad as the suggests for the majority of people especially combined with the current commodities bubble driving up the price of just about everything while wages for many are stagnent. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : fmb
one of the ykk guys told me he doesnt think the zipper plant will be here for more than another 5 years........ now what does that tell you -- chris velcro is kicking ass seriously i know the economy has slowed but were not seeing the disastrous things like 10% unemployment and double digit inflation that marked the 1980s as a recession. the economy is doing fine. its down but thats part of the economic cycle. -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york sorry to burst your bubble max but you are incorrect. you have heard of the current recession right as for the unemployment numbers they are completely bogus at this point in time as they are based on assumptions that have not been valid for years. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : mac davis
roy wrote i understand that it may be that way where you are. but the figures for the country arent bad. plus the specific jobs you mention are in the one market that is down. but that has far reaching effect into other related industries. my company is in the heavy industrial manufacturing. were having a record breaking great year. our industry has far reaching effects into other industries as well. oh miles your just so....perfect in all you say and do.g .
From : hayseed
one of the ykk guys told me he doesnt think the zipper plant will be here for more than another 5 years........ now what does that tell you -- chris velcro is kicking ass seriously i know the economy has slowed but were not seeing the disastrous things like 10% unemployment and double digit inflation that marked the 1980s as a recession. the economy is doing fine. its down but thats part of the economic cycle. -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york .
From : hayseed
i understand that it may be that way where you are. but the figures for the country arent bad. plus the specific jobs you mention are in the one market that is down. its not 1980s bad just yet. and what are you looking for in a pawn shop -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york nope. even the job market is doing fairly well. its hovering around 5% unemployment and thats good. everyone got used to an economy that was growing as fast as weve ever seen and forgot the fact that it was above normal. check here and youll find the unemployment rate is slightly higher than normal but right in line with the normal cyclical nature over several years. look at 1982 and 1983 and youll see why im saying the job less rate right now is nothing to worry about. http//www.econstats.com/bls/blsnaa4.htm all the figure in the world dont change what is going on here. there are guys standing at intersections holding signs saying roofer needs work. i never saw that before. also a pawn shop i was in 6 months ago had a nail gun for sale yesterday there had to be 25 nail guns. when tradesmen start pawning their tools there is a hint there.the housing market collapse has put a ton of folks out of work. these new jobs are wally world type part time minimum wage no benefits. no where near the good paying jobs that were lost. lowes and home depot have laid of thousands and closed distribution centers. of course now they have self check outs. max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york the fact is the economy is doing fine. down a bit but not terrible at all. the real killer is the fuel prices not the housing market. and yep thats all tied back to the housing market. but the economy and the stock market havent crashed just the housing market. dont believe everything you read in the papers. the job market has pretty much crashed as well. roy max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york mac davis wrote oh.. if you think the crash is a myth i have a house you can take over payment on in california... it only went from $320k to 200k in a year or so but since its a myth... thats an entirely different matter. the housing market ballooned and was way over inflated for a few short years. it went through a correction. it has little to do with economic issues. your 320k house was probably a under 200k just 3-5 years ago. thats the way it is here in phoenix. current prices are just above what they were 3-5 years ago. california is a tad different with massively over inflated prices for many years. people finally cashed out moved to cheaper states such as az and drove the prices up there. no way could it sustain itself. a correction was well predicted. once again miles you dont seem to see the big picture. the housing bubble and its aftermath is the reason for our current bad economy which is every bit as bad as the suggests for the majority of people especially combined with the current commodities bubble driving up the price of just about everything while wages for many are stagnent. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : fmb
the guy roy that posts here also likes to fake a military background. he wrote a note a couple of years ago about a six story building at valley forge general hospital that housed head injury patients. housed because there was no treatment 1. there were no buildings at valley forge general hospital that were over 2 stories high. there were 106 buildings 2 stories tall and another 9 that were only 1 story. 2. all head injured patients received treatment. in fact valley forge developed many of the treatments that are still used in treating those kinds of injuries. i spent almost 5 years stationed at valley forge and went through the clinical specialist course 91c there. i worked neurology wards and psychiatric wards almost exclusively. i was also at that hospital within a year after it had been closed and there were still no buildings more than 2 stories tall. i suspect roy has no real military background. he certainly was never at valley forge general hospital. i hate fakes .
From : peterd
on sat 10 may 2008 124401 -0400 roy wrote on fri 09 may 2008 165725 +0000 christopher d. thompson nospam@nospam.nospam wrote on thu 08 may 2008 204740 -0400 denny wrote springfield well ...okay. glock nah. sig is nice. jeep only if they have round headlights. dodge i dont know how dc is doing. maybe the parent company. vbg roy -- chris and whats wrong with square head lights theyre gay...... real jeeps have round eyes... denny pppppppppppppffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttttttttttt so the jk is more of a jeep than my yj nahhhh jeeps only have 2 doors man! i can forgive a slight mistake in one body style on the head lights but that 4 door monstrosity masquerading as a jeep..........thats a whole different story! door dont need no stinkin doors.. exactly! but the little top blocks the sun and keeps things cooler. roy. roy mac please remove splinters before emailing top whats that -- chris .
From : peterd
66466c5f-e207-4f95-9805-ada7a7e63883@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com the reverend natural light reverend@fourthgen.org writes sell them cheap. which kills the market for used models of the same year. which makes people reluctant to buy a new car because of depreciation. which causes cars to sit on the lot unsold. which causes dealers to sell old inventory cheap. and so on. but that lets the rest of us buy a 2 year old car for less than half price. you want to see a car literally circle the drain on rapid depreciation check out the lincoln town car. beautiful and luxurious but depreciates over 40% the first 2 years. 50% at 3 years 60% at 4 years. we sold a burgandy 93 cartier highest trim line lincoln in 2001 for $7200. the car was $50000 new. it had 60k on the clock when we sold it. -- hooked on ebonics lesson 3 use the word disappointment in a sentence. disappointment my parole officer tol me if i miss disappointment they gonna send me back to da big house. ----== posted via pro.com - unlimited-unrestricted-secure usenet ==---- http//www.pro.com the #1 group service in the world! 100000 groups ---= - total privacy via encryption =--- .
From : tom lawrence
exactly. its not as bad as the media makes it out to be and the market despite its ups and downs offers many opportunities to those who are skilled and plan well. -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york max dodge wrote tbone gaining 9.5% over a year means that it was a down year. its not magical simply well managed. in a good year gains can be well over 12% which is the average gain for the market in a year. yep ive been averaging 12-15% a year the past 5 years or so. this past year was below but not bad. most that know what theyre doing are just fine but the media keeps telling people how bad things are so they believe it. .
From : tom lawrence
mac davis wrote oh.. if you think the crash is a myth i have a house you can take over payment on in california... it only went from $320k to 200k in a year or so but since its a myth... thats an entirely different matter. the housing market ballooned and was way over inflated for a few short years. it went through a correction. it has little to do with economic issues. your 320k house was probably a under 200k just 3-5 years ago. thats the way it is here in phoenix. current prices are just above what they were 3-5 years ago. california is a tad different with massively over inflated prices for many years. people finally cashed out moved to cheaper states such as az and drove the prices up there. no way could it sustain itself. a correction was well predicted. .
From : jmc
max dodge wrote tbone gaining 9.5% over a year means that it was a down year. its not magical simply well managed. in a good year gains can be well over 12% which is the average gain for the market in a year. yep ive been averaging 12-15% a year the past 5 years or so. this past year was below but not bad. most that know what theyre doing are just fine but the media keeps telling people how bad things are so they believe it. .
From : bigironram
tbone wrote well miles i really want to know what magical 401k you are using as most of the people that i know actually lost some money last quarter. last 1/4 i said i gained 9.5% apr over the past year. from jan-mar it did drop slightly. however april was a very strong month with gains that wiped out any jan-mar losses. may has seen only slight gains so far. im with fidelity and vanguard. .
From : bigironram
on thu 08 may 2008 061556 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote peterd wrote decent return in todays depression that may be a dream. g much of that is a myth. my 401k gained 9.5% in the past year. while thats considerably lower than its been in a few years its certainly not bad at all. and that relates to real estate somehow i guess.. oh.. if you think the crash is a myth i have a house you can take over payment on in california... it only went from $320k to 200k in a year or so but since its a myth... mac i thought you sold that place mac. im thinking of buying another place closer to work now that the home prices are lower and the diesel prices are higher. mine dropped from 432 to 317 but what the hell im not sellin it anyway. fmb north mexico ** posted from http//www.tera.com ** .
From : jmcjmc
tbmcars@gmail.com wrote hho gas car kits seem to be all the rage on the internet for the best increase in gas mileage http//tbmcars.googoopages.com/bestwaytoincreasegasmileage its true i bought my kit off craigslist and now get 65+ mpg with my dodge. and the added horsepower is breathtaking. ive quit using gasoline altogether. .
From : ed hed h
tbone wrote that 5% is a bullshit number. it is based on the amount of people looking for employment that are on unemployment insurance. wrong tbone. once again youve fallen for myths youve been told devoid of facts. by far the number is derived mostly from labor force sample surveys because they are far more accurate than unemployment insurance figures or employment office stats. unemployment claims rank pretty low in figuring unemployment. why because in order to compute unemployment you also have to figure the total work force. unemployment claims do not do that. look it up before repeating a very well worn out myth. .