coil springs 1500 to 2500
From : daguydstewart3696
Q: on mon 17 nov 2003 120709 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote yup sure ya did. all ya did is read google after i sent ya there. now you have become the sharpest thing going fooled everybody. the only one fooled around here is you. but thats okay its not real be anybody ya want. lol. okay einstein whatever you say. just dont say that i didnt tell you. doesnt occur to you that without knowing my alter ego nick i couldnt even do the google search a lot of those threads were with a nick before john. anyway doesnt mean crap to me just dont ever say that i didnt tell you. this is very flattering btw to my ability to play different characters here. you dont even believe it when you are told the truth. bwaaaaaaaahaaaaaa. this is an even better plot thatn i ever imagined. .
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From : tom lawrence
it will increase the ride height some depending on the spring rate. if he has a 1500 with a 360 and gets coils from a 2500 that had a 360 theres not going to much of a difference at all. if he gets springs from a v10 or diesel with spring rates in the high 30s to low 40s then hell get a height increase. screw up the suspension geometry alter is a better word. screw up implies it cant be compensated for... make it ride like crap subjective... it will sitffen the ride somewhat but not horribly so and it will be impossible to do an alignment rendering your truck useless. horseshit. most of the 2-3 lift kits out there whether they consist of spacers or replacement springs come with no steering or track bar corrections at all. why because they arent necessary with that little amount of lift. .
From : Annonymousdenny
just wanted to see if anyone has tips on how to indrease mileage mine gets 12 around town .
From : dennis mayer
david... what model year is your unit. what model is it... is it a 4x4 or 2x4 what type front axle does it have... and what is motor cid... dstewart3696 wrote i plan on replacing my front coils with 3/4 ton springs..what will this do to me in terms of lift and ride quality thanksdavid dstewar@nbnet.nb.ca .
From : nosey
tom lawrence wrote it will increase the ride height some depending on the spring rate. if he has a 1500 with a 360 and gets coils from a 2500 that had a 360 theres not going to much of a difference at all. if he gets springs from a v10 or diesel with spring rates in the high 30s to low 40s then hell get a height increase. front spring capacities on the 99 model year i dont know what he has but mine is a 99 are rated at 3850 lbs for regular cab 1500 4x4 and 4850 lbs for the regular cab 2500 4x4. thats 1000 lbs difference for the standard springs. with the v-10 or diesel the spring capacity is bumped up to 6500 lbs. the 1500 regular cab 4x4 is 1.5 shorter than the 2500 4x4 regular cab. with either spring choice the ride height is going up and ride comfort is going to suffer. screw up the suspension geometry alter is a better word. screw up implies it cant be compensated for... alter... screw up... whatever words you choose to describe it it happens. yes it can be compensated for by buying suspension parts manufactured for the purpose of correcting changes made when lifting the vehicle. these parts are normally included with quality lift kits. make it ride like crap subjective... it will stiffen the ride somewhat but not horribly so my 2500 has 2500 springs and it rides like crap. it rode like crap when new it rides like crap now and i expect it will always ride like crap. it rides like crap for a reason. that reason is not for an increase of 1.5 in ride height. and it will be impossible to do an alignment rendering your truck useless. horseshit. most of the 2-3 lift kits out there whether they consist of spacers or replacement springs come with no steering or track bar corrections at all. why because they arent necessary with that little amount of lift. he may be ok by just swapping out the springs but i sure wouldnt want to take the chance of an alignment shop not being able to adjust it within specs. in this day and age you have to think of the legal liability you are setting yourself up for too. if you get into a wreck and it is found to be caused by your mis-matched suspension parts you are screwed. the tuff country kit listed below only costs $320 and is designed to work without complications. there may be some real cheap lift kits without any means to correct geometry or maintain alignment but i wouldnt recommend them either. tuff country 3 lift kit for 94-01 1500 upper & lower control arms included to maintain proper alignment new track bar bracket included http//www.tuffcountry.com/suspensiondodge9401.html superlift 2.5 lift kit for 94 and up 1/2 ton 4x4 with coil spring suspension new pitman arm to correct steering geometry. http//www.superlift.com/products/dodge/12toncoilsfa.asp .
From : noseytom lawrencetom lawrence
jerry wrote budd cochran wrote actually being ex-army type i had the ranks confused. hes an aman which i believe is airman. if the term airman is applied to him then it means he is a non designated e-3. once he is designated or makes e-4 then his title becomes aviation -what ever. such as am which means aviation structural mechanic which may be where you got the aman from as ive never heard of that unless he is a e-2 which means he is a airman apprentice and it a kind of slang term. all personal who work in aviation are called airdales regardless of rank or rate. jerry not exactly. if he were undesignated and assigned to an aviation unit like hs-7 he would be simply an airman an. bryon is designated as an am and if he is of the paygrade e-3 it would make him officially an aman. if we were to meet on the job it would be acceptable for me to call him airman cochran regardless of the fact that he is a designated am. if he were an e-2 i would call him airman apprentice cochran. this is not slang its official. http//www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ranks/rates/rates2.html his am rating has recently been formed from two of three related but separate ratings. they were ams - aviation structural mechanic s structures amh - aviation structural mechanic h hydraulics and ame - aviation structural mechanic e safety equipment. ams and amh were combined to form the am rating leaving ame unchanged. i am an ame. .
From : nosey
tom lawrence wrote tuff country 3 lift kit for 94-01 1500 upper & lower control arms included to maintain proper alignment new track bar bracket included superlift 2.5 lift kit for 94 and up 1/2 ton 4x4 with coil spring suspension new pitman arm to correct steering geometry. okay - so tuff country thinks the control arm geometry needs adjustment but thinks the increased angle on the drag link is ok. superlift thinks the stock control arms and track bar are just fine but thinks the drag link angle needs to be addressed. so... whos right and whos wrong they each lift the truck with different methods so different parts of the suspension are affected. i could probably call them each and ask which way is wrong but each one will no doubt claim their own method is best. .
From : denny
tom lawrence wrote tuff country 3 lift kit for 94-01 1500 upper & lower control arms included to maintain proper alignment new track bar bracket included superlift 2.5 lift kit for 94 and up 1/2 ton 4x4 with coil spring suspension new pitman arm to correct steering geometry. okay - so tuff country thinks the control arm geometry needs adjustment but thinks the increased angle on the drag link is ok. superlift thinks the stock control arms and track bar are just fine but thinks the drag link angle needs to be addressed. so... whos right and whos wrong they each lift the truck with different methods so different parts of the suspension are affected. i could probably call them each and ask which way is wrong but each one will no doubt claim their own method is best. i sure dont want to get into a discussion on whos right or wrong so ill just say on my 95 1500 reg cab i wanted to stiffed up the front when i put the plow on. i dont remember the actual spring ratings but the quad cab front springs were rated at 200 lbs apiece heavier and were the same length. after putting them on it did ride just a tad stiffer and sat the same height. i really recommend the timbrens tho they are not for rock crawling but they really work if you are carrying a load and the ride is not too bad either. denny .
From : tom lawrence
they each lift the truck with different methods so different parts of the suspension are affected. please.... one uses coil spacers the other uses replacement springs. they both accomplish exactly the same thing - they make the coil spring taller. since you were the one that claimed that slapping a stiffer spring into a truck would screw up the suspension geometry and make the truck impossible to align... maybe you can explain exactly why thats the case do you even understand the mechanics behind aligning a rams front end tell me why you think a stiffer spring which will cause the truck to sit a little higher negates the ability to compensate for the decrease in caster via the adjusting cams while superlift thinks its not a problem with their 2.5 taller springs im really interested in exactly what part of the alignment process is rendered impossible by the installation of stiffer front springs and im sure anyone else that has ever done an alignment would also be curious. .
From : nosey
tom lawrence wrote they each lift the truck with different methods so different parts of the suspension are affected. please.... one uses coil spacers the other uses replacement springs. they both accomplish exactly the same thing - they make the coil spring taller. agreed. since you were the one that claimed that slapping a stiffer spring into a truck would screw up the suspension geometry and make the truck impossible to align... maybe you can explain exactly why thats the case do you even understand the mechanics behind aligning a rams front end tell me why you think a stiffer spring which will cause the truck to sit a little higher negates the ability to compensate for the decrease in caster via the adjusting cams while superlift thinks its not a problem with their 2.5 taller springs im really interested in exactly what part of the alignment process is rendered impossible by the installation of stiffer front springs and im sure anyone else that has ever done an alignment would also be curious. spring stiffness has no affect on alignment the installed spring height does. i wasnt even thinking about the caster adjustment. the biggest problem when increasing the ride height is toe. i dont do alignments but i know how the suspension works. by using either a modified drag link bracke
From : nosey
lol. when did i ever brag about being an open minded liberal sounds like another one of your unfounded accusations. but even if that were true in what way is this reverse discrimination even with the modern definition that jerry was kind enough to provide below in what way was not allowing a club to form that discriminates considered reverse discrimination btw i did see your all to common goodbye in the post when you have no valid argument so lets see if you run and hide again as usual. noun discrimination against members of a dominant or majority group especially when resulting from policies established to correct discrimination against members of a minority or disadvantaged group. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tom youre the one that didnt recognize the reverse discrimination . . .and the one that brags about being an open minded liberal. i think you just shot yourself in the butt. goodbye. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ you really have become quite petty and sad. what level of open mindedness does it require to be blinded to discrimination -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving if he had read the site with any kind of open mindedness he would have seen the reverse discrimination. thanks again. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ tbone wrote there is no such thing as reverse discrimination budd you either discriminate or you dont. really! tell that to the courts as not long ago a law suit at a california college was filed on the grounds that race quotas had created reverse discrimination in denying two white applicants equal opportunity for entrance into the college. the court accepted that term and said same was reported in the as such. jerry .
From : yonzietom lawrence
j.s. me@hyperx.com wrote dan j.s. wrote the thing has got so bloated that it looks like a hemi minivan i agree. the new durango looks like a mini-van. you guys are waay off. it looks nothing like a mini-van. it looks like a big pt cruiser! anyway people have been wanting a full size ramcharger available in places other than mexico for years. i think they are getting closer. ok i was at a bar where there were like 15 people watching that commercial near me and almost everyone said oh look a new minivan. at first glance i thought it was a new mini-van too. only reason i knew it wasnt was because dodge sends me literature and new durango was part of it. i guess it will take some time getting used to it... a mini van on steriods dale .
From : tom lawrence
spring stiffness has no affect on alignment the installed spring height does. i wasnt even thinking about the caster adjustment. the biggest problem when increasing the ride height is toe. i dont do alignments but i know how the suspension works. on a 1500 yes toe will be changed because the tie rod doesnt stretch from knuckle to knuckle like on a 2500/3500. however the minor increase in toe which is what happend when the axle is dropped is easily corrected via the tie rod adjusting sleeve. by using either a modified drag link bracket tuff country or a drop pitman arm skyjacker neither of those kits includes a steering correction. superlift includes a drop pitman arm but theyre the only ones. tuff country includes a track bar bracket not a drag link bracket and skyjacker includes neither. the distance between the steering box and the drag link is lengthened. distance from the steering box pitman arm to the end of the drag link has zip to do with alignment - it has everything to do with centering the steering wheel. thats why theres an adjuster sleeve on the drag link as well. if this distance was not increased after raising the ride height the toe would be severely out of adjustment. nope. the steering wheel would be off-center. as i said on a 1500 series which is what were talking about here the toe would increase slightly. thats because the tie rod connects from the drivers knuckle to the drag link. lowering the axle increases the inside angle formed between the tie rod and drag link thereby reducing the distance between the steering knuckles the imaginary base of the triangle resulting in an increase in toe. however its nothing that any alignment shop cant correct. i personally experienced this problem after installing a 3 lift kit without the drop pitman arm that should have been in the kit. interesting. i installed a skyjacker not a superlift - a skyjacker 3 kit on a friends 1500... it included springs obviously replacement lower links to correct caster while leaving as much adjustment either way on the factory adjusters and thats it. no alterations to the track bar drag link or any other steering component. we took it to the alignment shop and they put it back to oe specs without a problem at all. he gets about 35k out of his super swampers. the truck drives straight and the tires wear evenly. so i dont know what to say about your particular experience... but stating that a couple of inches of increase cant be corrected by standard alignment practices nullifies all those companies that sell their 2 coil spacers and contradicts the fact that there are hundreds at least of rams out there with those spacers and for some reason they manage no to kill themselves. .
From : nosey
so i dont know what to say about your particular experience... but stating that a couple of inches of increase cant be corrected by standard alignment practices nullifies all those companies that sell their 2 coil spacers and contradicts the fact that there are hundreds at least of rams out there with those spacers and for some reason they manage no to kill themselves. the lift i installed was on a ford ifs and i included that experience as a general example of what can happen when you alter suspensions. .
From : tom lawrencetom lawrence
pressure so i was told. go to autozone and have them read the code for you. mine read emissions leak. since its a 2000 you can read the codes yourself. turn the ignition switch on-off-on-off-on. the odometer will display one or more p codes p followed by four digits. you can then go here or any number of other sites - i just happen to have this one handy to identify what each code means http//au.geocities.com/ozbrick850/obd2codes.html .
From : tom lawrence
the lift i installed was on a ford ifs check please... .
From : boyd controlsnosey
try checking out holley website. they should be able to give you the part numbers for that application. hello everyone im smack dab in the middle of switching out my 318 with a 360. i have a 1987 w100 with automatic transmission. ive installed a flexplate from b&m to hook to my a727. ive set the drivers side mount bracket back an inch or so. all looks well except for some brackets. the 318 i have had a 2bbl carb. the 360 is configured with an edelbrock performer manifold and a holley 4175 vaccuum secondaries. does anyone know the part numbers for the kickdown linkage and a bracket for the throttle cable connects to the intake and/or where i can get them if not a dealer any and all suggestions are helpful. sincerely guy lee .
From : nosey
dstewart3696 wrote i plan on replacing my front coils with 3/4 ton springs..what will this do to me in terms of lift and ride quality thanksdavid dstewar@nbnet.nb.ca it will increase the ride height screw up the suspension geometry make it ride like crap and it will be impossible to do an alignment rendering your truck useless. if you are wanting to lift the truck install a quality lift kit. if you are just looking to give it a bit of extra capacity up front for a snow plow try http//www.timbren.com/ . if you have a need for heavy duty payload sell your truck and buy a 2500 or 3500. .
From : nosey
check please... tom i apologize for my argumentative approach to your input on this issue. you have always given great advice here. my initial response to the original question was sincere but i should have re-thought my boundaries when you first questioned my opinion. i admire your stamina putting up with me. .