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From : max dodge

Q: on tue 23 aug 2005 213139 gmt transurgeon nobulltrans@mchsi.dotcom wrote on tue 23 aug 2005 040213 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote lets forget all the little biy squabling and answer the ops question. the voltage must be checked across the battery posts - pos to neg. if the voltage is within spec under 14.6 with a fully charged battery and the battery still boils the battery is shot. checking from pos to engine or body ground will generally give a higher voltage if the ground is bad. if the wire from the alternator output has high resistance measuring from the alt output t0 ground will give a higher reading than across the battery. no shit and this is what i was saying all along. the voltage however does not have to be measured across the terminals in this case because as your examples have clearly demonstrated the voltage will not be higher at the battery than at these other measurement points and we are looking for an over voltage condition at the battery. no numb nuts we are searching for the cause of over current thru the battery and the only two things that can cause overcurrent through the battery with the engine running and the battery being charged which it obviously is at 14.2 volts are too high a charging voltage which it is not at 14.2 volts or a defective battery. wrong! if something is pulling a reasonable current from the battery constantly like 150 to 500 mills between that and the huge draw from the starter followed by a 14.2 voltage being applied to it it can send a reasonably high current into the battery for a fairly long period of time. perhaps you should learn a little something about batteries. if the voltage was below 12.6 id agree you might possibly have a load problem - but it would in my opinion have to be significantly lower - like 11 or so. what are you talking about here a battery voltage of 12.6 or a system voltage of 12.6 -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

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From : tbone

dammit missed the tenth one by 5 minutes. and still nothing to say. prove me wrong. say something new. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. that is because there is nothing new. you keep saying the same dumb things in the hopes of somehow making yourself look right when you are simply wrong and not man enough to either admit it of just have the dignity to simply walk away. pretty much the same thing you accuse me of all the time. i guess this makes 7. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ....and not a friggin thing new. going for 10 in 30 minutes -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. my son just called the car wouldnt start on its own but jump started ok. tomorrow ill bring the car home ill be putting a new battery in it for the drive home as the second battery from my father-in-laws ram charger 360 cidwont start the car now and start testing some of your solutions. a bunch of us are betting youve already solved the problem. tbone coulda told ya that if he had thought to check across the terminals. what in the hell are you talking about -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

yeah and so far after numerous posts by you about battery this and battery that and how full of crap we all are and how we should learn a thing or two about batteries and charging and a full four hours after the original post you the self proclaimed genius never fucking mentioned it. btw thats the first damned thing i would have done to the system. i figured id wait to see if you had any clue. but you never figured out that checking the condition of the pattery is the first thing you do to determine overall battery/charging system health. i even suggested to you that you should develop a troubleshooting method and carry it out to fix the damn thing. i practically shoved the proper method down your throat and all you could do was insult belittle and carry on like you know it all. all of these depend on checking across the terminals not to ground and the positive terminal. every one of these can be done with a connection between ground and the positive terminal of the battery but why would you want to. exactly why would you want to check between ground and battery positive when the other friggin terminal is just inches away and has the best connection to the battery yer done but feel free to post as much as possible gary and i have a bet riding on this. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. he said he used another 3 year old battery. what is the average lifespan of todays batteries just under 3 years - so the chances are pretty good he has two bad batteries. excellent point. one that would be found if the op disregarded tbones insistance that checking across the terminals is unnecessary. how would checking across the terminals determine a bad battery 1 a static check after sitting a while would show a low voltage thus enhancing tbones idea of too much starter draw. the battery would have to be just about dead before the voltage would be low enough to see it and would have nothing to do with starter draw since the alt charges it back up right after the started hammers it. care to try again 2 a check while charging would confirm proper voltage to the battery. no shit and why i suggested keeping a volt meter hooked up while driving. 3 a check after being charged and another an hour later would indicate battery condition. true but it wouldnt say what was hurting it. 4 a load test wouldnt hurt. yea that would tell you the actual condition of the battery. all of these depend on checking across the terminals not to ground and the positive terminal. every one of these can be done with a connection between ground and the positive terminal of the battery but why would you want to. but hey all three of us are full of crap. who exactly is this 3 you keep talking about. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 304765 hsoe.1064$9i4.931@read2..atl.earthlink.net it was running rough. is there a way to check codes i.e. have the engine light flash unfortunately no not on a 99. you need to get an obd-ii scan tool to retrieve the codes. .