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Wondering how Nate's move went

From : roger covalt

Q: im surprised they would cover the manifold. most of those service contracts just cover internally oiled components when it comes to the engine. rick -- my real e-mail address is yofuri@oakharbor.net ok in the shake your head and have them repeat it cause this is too stupid to be true category.......... 1998 dodge ram 4x2 5.9l. heard an odd tapping noise on saturday when starting the truck cold. looked around under hood but didnt see anything obvious oil full noise quit after a few seconds... thought - hm sounds a little like a tappet but not quite right... sunday morning started truck and while making noise looked under hood... on the right side the two rear exhaust manifold bolts were sticking out a couple inches... shut off engine while manifold was still cool. pulled out bolts thinking - these have come loose... wrongo moose face theyre broken. yup broken most likely where the threads go into the head.... so this morning i decide to take it into a dealer to get it fixed since the thing has an extended warranty... but knowing the dealers around here are less than optimal i figured id verify the coverage of the appallingly expensive chrysler added care extended warranty....... and lo and behold im told oh no sir fasteners arent covered. it would be covered if they had to replace the manifold but broken bolts arent covered... say what so i asked about the instrument cluster where the indicator light for the cruise has burned out... oh no sir if the cluster was bad and had to be replaced that would be covered but a light bulb is not covered! and of course according to the dealer the entire dash has to be disassembled to replace the &^$# light bulb they want a couple hundred dollars to put in a $.50 bulb. its been 20 or so minutes since i got off the phone with the chrysler drone and im still sitting here shaking my head that a manifold bolt isnt covered but replacing the manifold is! of course even if they replace the manifold theyll still charge for replacing the bolts.... for any of you folks under the delusion that a chrysler extended warranty is/was money well spent disabuse yourself of that foolish notion! .

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From : nathan w collier

trey wrote fyi algore did not invent the internet as he claims. i find it sad that you think you have to tell us that. but even sadder that algore made that claim. .

From : eldon jons

thanks rick ill try a product i have here called rust mort. ive used it to neutralize rust it has a high concentration of phosphoric acid the active ingredient. but i though it only neutralized rust and didnt actually dissolve it. per a previous post i currently have the bolts soaked in liquid wrench solution ill see how that works. next up will be the phosphoric acid bath. cool aid ill leave the pharmacy stuff as a last resort hopefully just before i have to use a drill and tap. ray methods learned from working on pumps and valves for caustic chemicals both require using kids modeling clay to form a dam or cup around the stud and threads to hold the liquid in 1. use plain coke and let it soak overnight. the phosphoric acid in the coke will dissolve the rust right down to the base metal. also kool-aid mixed with just enough water to dissolve the powder works great. 2. use methyl salicylate from the pharmacy. youll have to sign the poison log for it. its the mint-fragrance main ingredient in the heat rubs because its a pain-killer that penetrates through the skin. it will also blister the daylights out of you in high concentrations. it is also the active ingredient in marvel mystery oil. it cuts through rust varnish and sludge like gangbusters. rick -- my real e-mail address is yofuri@oakharbor.net whats the easiest way to remove stuck exhaust manifold bolts. ive gotten 14 of 16 bolts loose but two dont what to release. im afraid of breaking them off in the head. of the ones ive removed there is significant under cutting just below the hex head actually 4 are hex nuts. ive tried wd40 on a warm not hot manifold but no luck. the engine has never had the heads off before. 1975 360 cid 42000 miles. rc ok folks. heres the scoop again. wd-40 is a water displacement/drier that happens to be classified as a lubricant. to remove stuck bolts etc you really need a penetrant/lube. use liquid wrench pb blaster or any other type of lubricant that is labeled as a penetrating lubricant. the allmighty wd-40 can only go so far. simply hose the area with liquid wrench or pb blaster and wait. tap lightly with hammer etc then twist. should come out. later! -dave .

From : nathan w collier

abuse@aol.com nathan=a0w.=a0collier wrote we will make it back as soon as possible but under different circumstances. montana/wyoming/dakotas are really amazing places and now that ive seen them i wont be satisfied until im back. cmon nate tell us the truth. it was the language barrier right lol! after living out west wa or and ut for the last 12 years i cant ever see myself heading back east of the rockies. few tornadoes low humidity mild winters mountains snow millions of acres of national forests less people.....gotta love it! sorry about the scruhaul ordeal.... - so long.... =9b=9b=9b=9b=9b=9b=a0eldon ; http//community.webtv.net/ejutah/acpictures http//community.webtv.net/sodakid2/allallischalmers .

From : nathan w collier

what is it exactly that you dont like about nc the heat humidity the lack of personal/professional growth in a stagnant economy. im sick of a small time local government trying to play big time im sick of the electronic surveillance such as the photographic stop lights. im sick of a local school system that sucks and im sick of being a community where half the citizens are on welfare. im sick of the tax rates the bible-belt mentality and the growing lack of privacy amongst a growing list. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : rather b beachen

here is a list of all the tsb and recalls for a 1996 ram http//dodgeram.info/tsb/1996-index.htm remove spam from address to reply funkychateauspam@yahoo.com wrote in i called the chrysler recall line at 1-800-853-1403 and they told me that recall b03 had not been performed. supposedly it has something to do with a control module. i looked online at several tsb/recall web sites and cannot find any b04 listed. is this a new one not yet online help btw i was calling them about recall 875 which they said did not apply to this vehicle although it has all of the malfunction symptoms. martin .

From : azwiley1

grendel wrote hey all just got the 2500 quad hemi. any suggestions on what to throw on it for improved gas mileage and hp or any suggestions on other things for the truck traded in our 02 dakota for it and man lots more room and power!! thanks jason. jason your truck is not broke in yet. after a few thousand miles your hp and mpg will improve drastically. the important thing to do right now is insure your truck and engine have a good break in period. that will lengthen the life of your engine. follow break in procedures. -dave 91 dodge ram d150 92 dodge ram w150 http//www.geocities.com/matt4982/mytruck.html 95 plymouth neon sport .

From : gary glaenzer

i have a 03 1500 hemi qc 4x4 i would like to verify the tach. i have a tach gage that you hook up to the ground side of the coil and the other wire to ground this truck dosent have a coil so im not sure if it will work or is there some other way. thanks scott what makes you think the tach is off give us some running rpms at different speeds etc... .

From : nathan w collier

on tue 22 jul 2003 062553 -0700 miles unknown@unlistedspam.com wrote steve wrote another one of the gods of the dodge group. nope. as others have said your experience is similar to whats been experienced at dealers from all makes not just dodge. funny thing is i only experienced this treatment the two times i dealt with local dc dealers. if i wamt to post this story every week i will. why you got your answer from many but didnt like it. you wanted people to sypathize with you. a few people asked for the whole story and missed my original post. plus i dont believe a select few can tell you what to post and when if you dont like it dont read it. if you think im wrong for feeling the way i do then go ahead a reply why did you ask people to let you know if youre wrong if youre unwilling to accept that answer never disagreed with logical replies just the ones who attacked the person behind the post. in reality they are the ones looking to start a flame war not the original poster. if you check most of the post on this group you would see a select few will disagree and attack the person behind the message often. to disagree is normal but a pleasant reply is the way to go about it. dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : budd cochran

beekeep wrote on tue 22 jul 2003 013940 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote where did i say the hives were filled with bees the weight i used was supplier shipping weights. iow i did give you credit for the common sense to not try moving full hives. now whos reading what wasnt written i read what was written you just didnt know what you wrote. no you dont or you wouldnt be trying to lie out of what you wrote. i was talking hives you were talking woodenware. well gee whiz greg. so i dont know all the terminology of running a bee ranch. the site i went to called the assembled units hives i used the term they did. maybe you should call up all the manufacturers and correct their terminology for them...especially the ones that have been in the business for over 100 years. there is a difference. my woodenware gets shipped to the farm on pallets via trucking companies from wisconsin. it never sees the inside of my truck. after it is assembled into hives it is mostly air by volume and would be impossible to overload a 3/4 ton van unless i cut off the roof. loose parts are easier to load and can be loaded tighter. thats why the warehouse i worked at broke down pallets of boxed mufflers when loading boxcars. the same applies to your van or any other vehicle. you

From : mark hoffman

what idiot told you that there is no muffler on the ac compressor! - hey guys have not been around for a long while. i thought someone could give me some insite! my 99 durango is making a loud vibration noise when the ac is on. i am told that it is the ac muffler. what is that and why is it making noise. what needs to be done to fix it. thanks andy .

From : nathan w collier

abuse@aol.com nathan w. collier wrote few tornadoes low humidity mild winters mountains snow millions of acres of national forests less people.....gotta love it! stop already youre killing me! - -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : rather b beachen

come on nate step up and say it. you pussed out!! lol welcome back bro! you should go after u-haul. they are a mess. i have a feeling that id be standing in a long line to do that. - i told him that it sounded like all he needed to do to make people happy was to give them what they were promised. he didnt talk to me anymore. lol.....ill bet! i certainly learned my lesson the hard/expensive way. check out the problems i had before i even left on the trip. keep in mind this doesnt include the dozen or so break downs along the way or having to be towed up all the hills. this is another part of the 7 page letter i wrote to uhaul ----------------------------- dear sirs i would like to describe my recent experience with uhaul in hopes of helping to prevent anyone else from having to experience the hell that myself and my family have been through in the past two weeks as a direct result of the lack of customer service we received. having a lifetime dream of moving out west from north carolina we were very excited when my wife was hired by ******* in great falls. after learning that ******* has a corporate account at uhaul i began to research my moving options at uhaul.com. i downloaded the marketing video on the 26 super mover and i was very impressed with all the additional features and benefits that the competition did not offer. although a competitor was $700 cheaper than uhaul their trucks did not offer the features of the super mover so i ultimately decided upon uhaul to move my family and i safely on our 2500 mile journey. several weeks before my scheduled move i called uhaul to reserve the 26 super mover that is advertised and promoted in the marketing video. having been warned previously concerning using a diesel powered truck in the mountains i explained that i needed a diesel and was reassured by the national corporate reservations office 800.528.6042 that i would receive a truck comparable to the one i saw in the marketing video. i was also guaranteed oral a manual transmission that would aid in braking while descending the steep mountain grades. at the same time i reserved a hitch for my wifes jeep cherokee as well as other trailer towing accessories and moving supplies. after uhaul phoned mrs. ******* at ******* the reservations agent assured me that the accessories were approved and would be waiting for me to pick up when i picked up the truck. i was contacted on that same day by my local uhaul office in raleigh nc 919.875.0059. they reassured me they would have a diesel powered 26 super mover identical to the one advertised and promoted in the uhaul marketing video for pick up on the day of my move. i called them back a week before my scheduled move to confirm the accuracy of my reservation particularly the availability of the diesel powered truck and was again assured that they would be able to provide me with exactly what i reserved accessories included. they did not know which uhaul lot i would go to and promised to call me on july 3 to give me pick up information. july 3 came and went and i got no phone call. when i attempted to call them they had closed for the day so i called 800.528.6042 and they could not give me the pick up information. the morning of the 4th the raleigh office called and told me to pick up my truck at the local fayetteville uhaul moving center. later that morning i headed to the uhaul moving center on bragg blvd. in fayetteville nc. i signed all the paperwork and gathered my accessories and was informed that i would have to pay for the accessories out of pocket because they had not been approved for the corporate account. i informed the manager that uhaul reservations had already received authorization for the over the counter items and was told that i would have to make a second trip back to her lot in about an hour to pick up the items while she got them approved. i had made my reservations weeks in advance to prevent these hang-ups; this was just the first sign of much trouble to come. with that i headed out to pick up the 26 truck figuring i would make a second trip to pick up the accessories later in the day. i met with one of the mechanics who brought up the trailer hitch for my wifes jeep cherokee although i couldnt leave with it because it had not been approved along with the other over the counter items and he showed me were the 26 truck was parked. i became concerned as soon as i sat down inside the truck. there was a large portion of the dash missing and exposed wiring was hanging out through the large holes in the dash. i cranked the engine and started to exit the parking lot when i became concerned about the noises the truck was making. at that point i knew that it did not sound like a diesel and i knew that something wasnt running right due to the way the exhaust was popping. i stopped the mechanic who had brought the jeep cherokee trailer hitch out

From : nathan w collier

thanks for the story. i wonder how many customers uhaul has lost now because of us reading nates letter. weve been pondering about moving to southern utah in fact any where away from the formerly great state of california that gov jackas* davis has fu*ked up he lies about the deficit right before the election and the day after he gives us the word that its triple the size that it was 2 days earlier and states he didnt know...yes right and thats why im for the recall. uhaul was actually the lowest price for the move. because of nates wonderful experience we will try a higher priced outfit. any good horror stories of other companies guys rather b. beachen ratherbbeachen@hotmail.com .

From : tbone

thanks for the story. i wonder how many customers uhaul has lost now because of us reading nates letter. i hope all of them......and not for punitive reasons but to save themselves a whole lotta hurt. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : cbhvac

well they just lost one me. btw what is it exactly that you dont like about nc -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving thanks for the story. i wonder how many customers uhaul has lost now because of us reading nates letter. i hope all of them......and not for punitive reasons but to save themselves a whole lotta hurt. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : cbhvac

bro.. i got your mail having server issues now.. however allow me to let you know that i am working on a letter to you that explains why you got fucked so hard by uhaul it happened to deb and me when we left co for ca...and trust me..it takes some doing but you can get back what you are out... probably still settling in but some of us do miss his posts. hi roger thanks much for the concern! i dont really know where to begin to explain everything other than to link you to this post i made late last night just got internet service yesterday http//7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=248 and to say that we will make it back as soon as possible but under different circumstances. montana/wyoming/dakotas are really amazing places and now that ive seen them i wont be satisfied until im back. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : nathan w collier

probably still settling in but some of us do miss his posts. hi roger thanks much for the concern! i dont really know where to begin to explain everything other than to link you to this post i made late last night just got internet service yesterday http//7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=248 and to say that we will make it back as soon as possible but under different circumstances. montana/wyoming/dakotas are really amazing places and now that ive seen them i wont be satisfied until im back. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com nathan please post that letter here http//www.complaints.com/ i had similar crap happen with uhaul as well. almost a dejavu reading your letter. dan .

From : tbone

oh ok. iow with the exception of the weather and the bible belt mentality it is exactly the same as just about every other populated area in the us. im sure its similar to many other fuck-holes but if youre headed this way dont underestimate the effects of being in the bible-belt. in some ways these whacky bible thumpers ruin it more than the crack-heads. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : tbone

oh ok. iow with the exception of the weather and the bible belt mentality it is exactly the same as just about every other populated area in the us. im sure its similar to many other fuck-holes but if youre headed this way dont underestimate the effects of being in the bible-belt. in some ways these whacky bible thumpers ruin it more than the crack-heads. lol oh really. perhaps you could explain this one. my biggest complaint about nc so far are those phucking restrictive covenants. i find it both humorous and aggravating that a state that is soooooo liberal with their gun laws would issue laws controlling how you so much as decorate your own property never mind putting up a separate building such as a garage. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

search the web for lukes links also search the web for the dds which is a brace and bearing to support the bottom of the steering gear box. http//solidsteel.ca/products.htm i have the links and like them and am ordering the dds to help support my steering box. both can tighten things up!! i have a 98 ram 1500 with 65k miles. i plan on putting on new shocks. the suspension doesnt seem as tight as it once was i want to swap out suspension bushings with urethane please advise on kits etc. thanks anthony .

From : dan j s

oh ok. iow with the exception of the weather and the bible belt mentality it is exactly the same as just about every other populated area in the us. for a minute there i thought that is was something for me to worry about. as it appears i will be moving there myself. thanks for the information on u-haul i think that i will go with budget. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving what is it exactly that you dont like about nc the heat humidity the lack of personal/professional growth in a stagnant economy. im sick of a small time local government trying to play big time im sick of the electronic surveillance such as the photographic stop lights. im sick of a local school system that sucks and im sick of being a community where half the citizens are on welfare. im sick of the tax rates the bible-belt mentality and the growing lack of privacy amongst a growing list. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : nathan w collier

has anyone tried any of the online service contracts ive read the info at http//www.carbuyingtips.com/warranty.htm and just wonder if they are as good as the dealer ones. thanks in advance steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : roger covalt

lol oh really. perhaps you could explain this one. sure. constantly trying to force their agenda on you. constantly trying to force their agenda into the local school systems by pressuring the school boards on any issue theyre faced with. constantly trying to force their agenda on the local politicians and other policy makers. throwing tantrums over any issue dealing with sex such as the schools giving away condoms pressuring the local cable companies to drop certain channels and waking you up early every saturday hoping to save you. not to mention the overall mentality and attitude. my biggest complaint about nc so far are those phucking restrictive covenants. i find it both humorous and aggravating that a state that is soooooo liberal with their gun laws would issue laws controlling how you so much as decorate your own property never mind putting up a separate building such as a garage. i agree the covenants are intrusive.....although around here the only ones that would apply are keeping the dead crack whores off your lawn before they attract to many flies. i like the way the mormons did it. they all moved into one area in such great numbers as to control the local/state politics to ensure a place like they wanted to live in. that has a lot to do with my initial move to montana.......to get in an area made up of people who think like i do. damn i cant blieve im back here...... -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : gary glaenzer

it is getting error code p0320 dry. has anyone seen this problem before with a ram or does anyone have any suggestions. pull a plug and make sure youre getting spark. my guess is youre not due to the starting fluid not making a difference. check the connections to the coil. does the check engine light come on it should after cranking for a while with no start. click the ignition three times and identify any p codes on the odometer. .

From : greg o

my 97 1500 qc 4x4 was bad until i put some better shocks on it. after that it was fine. the springs need help dampening the jolts from the road. the stock units were too soft. on wed 23 jul 2003 000056 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote while a truck should ride like a truck this level of wheel hop is really unacceptable and shows a rather poor design. while my 97 is not perfect it is far better than the newer ones at dealing with this. .

From : greg o

thanks for the story. i wonder how many customers uhaul has lost now because of us reading nates letter. weve been pondering about moving to southern utah in fact any where away from the formerly great state of california that gov jackas* davis has fu*ked up he lies about the deficit right before the election and the day after he gives us the word that its triple the size that it was 2 days earlier and states he didnt know...yes right and thats why im for the recall. uhaul was actually the lowest price for the move. because of nates wonderful experience we will try a higher priced outfit. any good horror stories of other companies guys i moved my mom back to eastern nd from western montana a few years ago. we rented a u-haul. we did get the type of truck we asked for but it was in pretty poor condition. then to top it off the dealer fueled it with summer grade fuel. when we left the temps were in the low 30s. as soon as we crossed the mountains the temps dropped to -20f about one hundred miles later! needless to say the fuel jelled and left us along the road. we spent two hours trying to get going again with zero help as far as a towing service. u-haul did try maybe maybe not! to help us by finding a tow to no avail. thanks to a few truckers and a friendly local we got started up an limped into the next town were we topped off with winter grade and a gallon of fuel additive. after that the trip was pretty uneventful except for the funky heater in the truck. it was warm from the waist up in fact i wore just a t-shirt. the problem is there was no floor heat! i wore winter pack boots and insulated bibs just to keep my legs warm. one stop i grabbed two bottles of pop threw one on the floor to keep it cold while i drank the other. an hour or so later the second bottle was frozen solid it was so cold on the floor. once we got to our destination we shut the truck off and it would not start again! u-haul ended up towing it in for repairs somewhere! greg .

From : nathan w collier

hello all... i have a 2003 ram 2500 with the cummins 5.9l ho engine and the automatic tranny. i have just under 10000 miles on it so far. i have heard of other ram owners with diesel engines claiming that they get close to +/- 20mpg. i dont get anywhere close to this. the best i have ever gotten was 16mpg and on average i get about 14.8 - 15. typical use is highway miles usually empty driver and maybe one small passenger and not towing anything. i typically have the cruise control set at 80mph and the engine tachs at about 2300 at that speed. the crazy thing is that i get almost the exact same mileage when towing a 4000lbs trailer. the power this truck has is truely impressive but i thought i would get a little better mpgs. if there are any other 2003 cummins ho auto-tranny owners out there who track their mileage i would be very interested in what you are getting. thanks! .

From : eldon jons

i most likely over filled it although the pressure reading was fine. can i just bleed some off through the lp line pressure reading was fine......ummm...for whatambient and conditions i had one tonight that looked great till i checked it against the ambients then it was low as hell.. for every pressure there is a temp and for every temp there is a pressure... and no you cant just go venting refrigerant...even 134a...you can recover it tho.. thanks mark no...you have a leak and your lp switch is not allowing the clutch to engauge or....you overfilled it and the hp switch is tripped... if it aint rocket science how come no amatuer gets it right ive got a 1997 dakota 3.9l. last year my a/c started blowing hot air. i rarely use the a/c so i wasnt in a hurry to check it out. ive never been impressed with this a/c. the a/c clutch has been loud for the last few years so loud i used the defrost heatonly when i had too. today i put a can of 134a in the system. i checked the pressure and it was low and fine after charging. after i charged the system i ran it for 15 minutes and it cooled a little. now its blowing hot air and the a/c clutch isnt engaging. the clutch isnt even engaging with the defroster on. the low pressure isnt cool now. did i cook my pump any ideas thanks mark .

From : greg o

actually it is not the same valve... that is why i put schrader in quotes. besides that you shouldnt be using the same valve for a/c that you would be using in the tire. yes i know that it fits but a a/c guy told me to use an a/c shrader valve when appplicable not in this case on thu 24 jul 2003 000454 -0400 curmudgeon gludwick@nospam.bellsouth.net wrote hope you never have a flat tire!! cause its the same damn valve. any tire store can fix you up. i have a 97 dodge ram - 1500 4x4 with a slow leak in the low pressure service port. i cant seem to find a replacement on the web... can anyone please point me in the right direction it is the schrader valve that seems to be the culprit. i do not want to add the quick fix sealer... just replace the valve while i have the pressure of zero. any help would be appreciated. bill .

From : roger c covalt

i recommend finding the actual problem and providing some actual information such as auto or 5 speed. did you check the fuses and make sure that no wires are disconnected. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving have tried adding new bulbs but still doesnt work. what do you recommend .

From : eldon jons

you get a phone hooked up yet e-mail me with the number ill call ya hi gary will do! my cell phone is still on however same number. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : eldon jons

this is changing. i am not defending chrysler dealerships but for example my cadillac dealer not only came to pick up my car for an oil change they washed it and waxed it and returned it. if there was a problem all i do is call them. i dont even drive there any more. does cadillac also wipe your ass for you hotshot maybe enroll in their cadillac executive ass wiping program. chrysler will learn this to survive. youre comparing apples to oranges. you expect to get the same level of service when you buy a $12000 neon as you do when you buy a $55000 seville sts the profit margin on lower priced vehicles is slim and expecting a free pickup and wash and wax on a $22 oil change for a car the dealer didnt make much money on in the first place is simply and completely ludicrous. the profit margin with the exception of the hold back is pretty much based on what you pay for it. cost plus how much over invoice or msrp. roy -----= posted via feeds.com uncensored usenet =----- http//www.feeds.com - the #1 group service in the world! -----== over 80000 groups - 16 different servers! =----- .

From : gary glaenzer

this just started. a rattling noise can be heard when driving around town. sometimes it is really bad and sometime just the odd rattle. the type of driving doesnt matter. i assume it is a loose cable or line. i noticed the brake line frame clip was shot so i replaced it where else should i look i want to find this asap to be sure nothing is wrong. its got 250k on it and runs well. any help would be nice. kirk .

From : nathan w collier

you get a phone hooked up yet e-mail me with the number ill call ya g did you go through here on your move i thought you went through sd. on the way to montana i came up through minnesota on 94 and came through nd. on the way back from montana in an effort of avoiding the small hills i took 90 through wyoming sd and back to minnesota. it would have been easier to take 94 back through but thats hindsight. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : nathan w collier

nate wrote bigamy was not against the law at that point and when law was passed making it illegal they dropped the policy. frankly i dont see the problem there. i think its also fair to note that the reason they practiced bigamy to begin with was because so many of their men had been killed by other religious fanatics who hated them based upon nothing more than religious differences. actually it is polygamy in utah and the reformed lds church rlds still supports the belief. although it is not supported by the lds church thousands still practice it. since the sister wives arent recognized by the government as being married our tax dollars go to support many of them and their kids. you get 3-6 of these wives living in the same house and the benefits add up. no wonder the polygs as they are called can afford to drive brand new $40000 vehicles. the mormons didnt abandon the practice until it was realized that the us government wouldnt grant statehood to utah as long as they were breaking the law. suddenly brigham young was told by a message from god to abandon the practice....probably the same messenger that told joseph smith to take multiple wives when the religion was formed lol! it is a religion like any other religion....based on certain beliefs written and interpreted over the years. so long.... =9b=9b=9b=9b=9b=9b=a0eldon ; http//community.webtv.net/ejutah/acpictures http//community.webtv.net/sodakid2/allallischalmers .

From : eldon jons

youre supposed to put in gas not milk!!! dern cheeseheads... sch 2003 dodge 1500 slt quadcab 4x4 4.7l on wed 2 jul 2003 222653 -0500 dan j.s. me@hyperx.com wrote ok folks...help me out here... just purchased the above mentioned truck last week. i have 600 miles on it. i towed for the first time today in ohio flat land with my 26 ft. travel tr. i have a manual trans. all goes well through 4th gear...when i shift to 5th gear...i can hardly maintain speed. what gives should i stay in 4th i plan on taking some trips pulling this camper. according to the books and numbers from the dealer i am about 55% of capacity in regards to weight. the truck should have no problem with this... hmmm.... stumped and a little pissed kyle the 4.7 is not meant to tow. no matter what the book says. it is more about the structure of the truck and bending the frame etc. the 4.7 is under rated to tow anything above 2000 lbs. i know a buddy just towed a 3500 lb boat and we were struggling. this is on wisconsin flat lands. however this is my opinion based on one experience and a few test drives with the 4.7. i am sure someone might totally disagree. i am planning on getting the 2500 hd with the hemi. this is what i will use to tow my boat. .

From : fmb

just had about 960sq.feet of tile installed. now comes the clean up. what i have to remove is the dust like film that is left behind after the grout. the tile is porcliain if it matters.also the grout is hard and ready for sealing. messed around with a sponge and a couple of buckets of water theres gotta be a quicker way. any thoughts on how to shorten what looks to be a real long job. roy get a bigger sponge!! bg seriously tho after putting in tile in the kitchen and bathrooms that is about the only way to do it. keep the water in the bucket clean keep rinsing out the sponge and go over it a couple of times. when it gets down to just a haze a good dustmop will finish it. denny .

From : budd cochran

atari@shaw.ca says... hello i just bought a 2003 dodge ram 1500 quad cab 4x4 with a 5.9 l v8 engine. i got it from someone who owned it for 6 months and then had to leave the country and had to sell it. awesome truck i am very pleased with it. i have a question though. i went with a friend down to the local dealership which is huge!!! i was going to their parts department to price some nerf bars and my buddy who was with me wanted to look on the lot at a ram for himself. my buddy told the salesmen who approached us that he liked my ram and wanted one for himself which prompted the salesman so ask what kind of motor i had. when i told him it was a 5.9 l he was amazed. he told me of the 46 1500 rams he had there on the lot ...none of them were 5.9 l!!! i checked into other lots and found the same results. i also looked on the dodge website and it does not list the 5.9l as an option for the 2003 model. so my questions are 1 is this engine a true rarity for the 2003 model year it was more common earlier in the year the dealer i bought my truck from was loaded with 360s and 4.7s but few 1500 hemis. my truck came from another dealer a hundred miles away. its still on a lot of trucks and it still was an option according to my brochure. maybe they pulled the plug on it by now. 2 is there a reason other than the hemi that dodge stopped putting them in the ram well it was time for it to go. the ford and gm motors made more power. i dont know about the ford but the 5.3 gm motor got a couple miles to the gallon more than a 5.9 ram did. i passed on buying a dodge in 2000 due to the engine choice. i had already owned 3 360 powered vehicles and really didnt want a 4th one. i dont do fords so it was a gmc for me i would still have it if i hadnt wrecked it i really liked it.trading almost none or a very minor gas milage penalty for choosing the hemi over the 5.9 was a no brainer all it took was a test drive. 3 this motor has a good reputation from what i hear and all of the bugs have been smoothed out on it...has anyone heard any bads on this engine the bads are pinging problems two of my 360s pingedthe only one that didnt was my 74 roadrunner. it made the exact same hp according to chrysler as the magnum 5.9 did 20 years later. i would have to say it was quite a bit more actually. the mopar small blocks seem to have a tendency to develop intake gasket leaks and either oil or coolant or both gets sucked into the intake if youre lucky and if not coolant goes into the oil and thats a real problem. never happend to me but both my 77 and 84s sucked oil and pinged like hell. the 77 took several tries to solve it permanently or as long as i still had it anyway. 4 anyone know how much horsepower for the 5.9l i believe its 245. any comments would be appreciated especially via e-mail thanks bdk .

From : budd cochran

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From : mac davis

nathan w. collier wrote certainly! thank you friend. im curious. the mormon church the real one anyway no longer supports bigamy. based on that which beliefs do you disagree with their god was once a man and therefore has all the limitations of a man. he is not omnipotent he can make a rock too big for him to pick up he is not omniscient doesnt know everything like that he should not make a rock too big to pick up and hes not omnipresent he doesnt hear all the prayers the mormons say because hes off somewhere with his multiple wives then wouldnt it be more and truly god-like for a true god to give up his holiness to become as a man to bring free and clear salvation to mankind by being the sacrifice for sin than for a mere mortal man to try to earn exaltation through his own fallible efforts to attain a godhood which is still going to have to pass muster by another man who supposedly achieved that godhood the phrase i always think of when i think about the mormon salvation is hoisted by your own petards...lifting yourself by your own bootstraps. couldnt the same be said of all christians though yes and no. ive been insulted by people of other denominations but generally not about my faith with a couple exceptions. then most common insult has been a tendency to look down on non mormons and have a air of superiority. they also tend to act like you are their personal slave. i try to treat others as i understand jesus treated others since that is the focus of the word christian being christ-like. i fail. i know but i try harder the next time not to become a christian but because i am one. thats why my friend i worry about offending you as an atheistic person. i know you have been insulted by well meaning christians and i want to prove it is not the way jesus would have treated you. lol......talk to earle horton over in the jeep group. hes a retired microsoft millionaire that liked wild grass in his yard. his neighbors took him to court over it demanding that he landscape is yard with the right kind of grass! this manufactured home community wanted me to paint my shed to match the home right after i moved in here. they also said i could not do safety related repairs to my truck or even check the oil in my own driveway. of course those in the park that were on the good side of the management didnt have those rules . . . . bigamy was not against the law at that point and when law was passed making it illegal they dropped the policy. frankly i dont see the problem there. the problem lies in their prophet joseph smith said it was a mandate from god to spread their seeds around and he did a lot of it with other mens wives and daughters claiming it was ordained and multiply then when the change was needed god changed his mind . . my god doesnt change to suit men. hmmm . . a lustful god i think its also fair to note that the reason they practiced bigamy to begin with was because so many of their men had been killed by other religious fanatics who hated them based upon nothing more than religious differences. joe smith also claimed he would die as a lamb led to slaughter yet in actuality died in a gun battle shooting several lawmen. only one person in history ever had that prediction made about them and then was led as a lamb to sacrifice jesus. the mormons have a history of having a history that doesnt follow local court jail house or public records. do you believe them or do you believe the records i hope i didnt strain our friendship bah.....dont be silly! - imho this is why we are friends. we have always know we could speak honestly and openly to each other. thank you for being my friend. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com budd .

From : budd cochran

on thu 24 jul 2003 202818 gmt nathan w. collier abuse@aol.com wrote i think polygamy is having multi wives in a family and bigamy is having multi wives and families actually it is polygamy im having a little trouble of understanding the difference in polygamy and bigamy. the reformed lds church rlds still supports the belief. in all fairness though thats like trying to hold the catholics responsible for something the protestants do. they broke off from the mormon church and therefore their actions should not have any impact at all on the mormon church. they are an entirely different church. although it is not supported by the lds church thousands still practice it. thousands in the actual lds church or in the multiple churches that formed after breaking away from the mormon church it is a religion like any other religion agreed. .

From : budd cochran

on fri 25 jul 2003 084416 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote just had about 960sq.feet of tile installed. now comes the clean up. what i have to remove is the dust like film that is left behind after the grout. the tile is porcliain if it matters.also the grout is hard and ready for sealing. messed around with a sponge and a couple of buckets of water theres gotta be a quicker way. any thoughts on how to shorten what looks to be a real long job. roy i used a shop vac and sponge mop bro... .

From : tbone

wow this is much worse then i thought. anybody have any comments on budget. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving u-haul and the others have lost ground but i think its more due to lack of dealer quality control than u-haul itself. see http//tinyurl.com/i2l1 -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : rasclay

tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote brakes are for stopping clutches are for starting. unless you like replacing parts needlessly. lol and what parts would that be. it puts no more stress on the clutch to engine brake then it does to accelerate if you do it correctly and adds a little life to the brake wear components as well. youre absolutely correct it doesnt put any more stress on than starting. it merely doubles the frequency of use shortening its life. brakes are way cheaper to replace than a clutch and pressure plate. less down time also. .

From : theguy

i thought everyone already knew that uhaul was crap. there was a 20/20 or dateline report a few years ago which showed how they lied and put customers into unsafe vehicles. you gave them a lot longer chance to keep screwing you than i would have. nathan w. collier wrote thanks for the story. i wonder how many customers uhaul has lost now because of us reading nates letter. i hope all of them......and not for punitive reasons but to save themselves a whole lotta hurt. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com .

From : mac davis

do the power seats for a late-model dodge ram connect to an electronic module i would like some power seats for my 81 dodge utiline but i cant use any seats that do connect to an electronic module. .

From : theguy

i get 23mpg driving 19 miles interstate @ 65mph and 5 miles in town @ 40mph stop & go. 98 dodge quad cab diesel 2wd + manual/3.55. she is a dream machine and only paid $13.5k. damn thats good. 6300 and 17.1. but i have a heavier foot. i run 70-75. maybe i need a tonneau cover is yours a reg. cab mine is and same as you -1500 4.7 auto and 2wd. jonathan kaplan wrote today i did it! 18.85 mpg. ram 1500 2wd with 4.7l 5 speed auto. 65 mph avg and tonneau cover. it almost made the epa rating of 19. the truck is a 2003 with 4700 miles. whats everyones record .

From : theguy

on fri 25 jul 2003 191147 gmt gary glaenzer nobulltrans@mchsi.com wrote on fri 25 jul 2003 155616 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote roger c. covalt wrote bud and nate and everyone else first of all i knew there was one of regulars that had moved out to utah and i thought it was you bud but wasnt sure. yep. moved here because my father-in-laws health was failing and he needed more care. stuck here because my health has declined partially i believe due to the stresses of desert life. couldnt be the stress that you put on yourself could it let me ask you something roger. what are the three primary attributes of a true god here we go again. another monte python movie. this one isnt in search of the holy grail though it is in search of the elusive and minuscule mind of budd. i fart in your general direction you silly-faced wiper of other peoples bottoms great line great movie. .

From : denny

thats what i figured. have a bunch of work to do. how was the trip home did you go 90. i put on 300 mile round trip 25mpg. not too shabby for the toy. roy no problems on the trip home. left old orchard about 6 am and went east on 90. traffic really sucked!! i would really hate to see it when it was bad. had to make a detour on 91 down into conn. so kim could get some shot glasses. then had to go back 91 to vermont to get shot glasses. hey it was only 150 miles out of the way! g we ended up taking 88 to 86 across ny. i hate to drive the same road twice and the traffic wasnt bad at all. 25 mpg for the way you drive april fools day is done past my friend. vbg the ole van got 23.4 for the trip. i cant complain any. the ole van got 23.4 because it was dragging your chubby ass and three full rabbit suits. ya gotta lighten the load! bfg the house was still here when we got home and the yard needed mowing. i guess vacation is officially over.... my vacation ended this morning when work called and wanted me in this weekend for some ot. told them to stuff it i still have the weekend. oh decided to sell the truck its just sitting there. probably put 500 miles on it over the past two months. so its time. roy denny .

From : tbone

how much -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving my 2k 2500 cummins 4x4 single cab is not being used much anymore so i guess its time for it to go. its in excellent shape has 34k on the clock. dtt transmission goodies hidden strobes front and rear. five blizzak snow tires on steel rims. fuel pressure trans temp egtand boost gauges. 8 foot fisher minute mount plow. has most all of the heavy duty options. 5 year 75k transferable dc extended service contract. i have the title. if interested give me a shout. located in ma will deliver in new england if necessary. roy .

From : roger c covalt

how much figured id start at 25.5 and see what happens. roy .

From : roger c covalt

i have a 97 dakota that for 111k miles has run perfect best truck i have ever owned and ive owned a lots in 70 years. this morning when i turned the ignition switch it just clicked. the battery i told my self so i replaced the battery with a known good one. when i turned the ignition swith it started but will not idle you can keep it running by pushing on e gas and letting off as it reevs up but if you take your foot off the gas it dies. one problem i do have started about a month ago and i wonder if it could be the cause. i developed a rattle in the catalytic converter. i took it to the muffler shop and they wanted $180.00 to replace it. i told him i could put up with the rattle for that kind of money. he then said if you run it that way pieces of it will clogg up your muffler and burn a valve. i though he was just trying to sell me a converter was i wrong. was the battery just a coincidence. the new battery has been in the truck about 10 hours and it still starts the truck i think no short. any suggestions will be appreciated. have a nice day rogerx .

From : roy

wtf!! the witnesss have been tampered with and coerced you have probably threatened cari with a stale clam. kim is probably in fear that youll find your way to the bedroom. gbfg reply from cari. you fibulator! take that from a female teenager i cant believe cari is turning on me already.g reply from kim if you denny were a beached whale it would take greenpeace in a rubber raft to pull you denny off the beach. it would take a whole tugboat to move roys ass back to the water the reason it would take a tugboat is .... well let me put it this way ya cant drive a spike with a tack hammer. roy .

From : roger c covalt

budd im not going to get in to a gospel flame war here. nobody wins. people end up getting pissed off at each other and ending friendships that way. ive been in and seen enough debates to know that anyone can bring up scriptures and history to disprove the others faith/beliefs but then the other comes back with more all in the name of love. lets just end this discussion by just giving each other a big hug and kiss over the internet i wont tell my wife if you dont tell yours. do weall really have to watch this g denny ya gotta love it when they just jump out of the closet. bfg whod a thunk it. roy .

From : denny

wtf!! the witnesss have been tampered with and coerced you have probably threatened cari with a stale clam. kim is probably in fear that youll find your way to the bedroom. gbfg reply from cari. you fibulator! take that from a female teenager reply from kim if you denny were a beached whale it would take greenpeace in a rubber raft to pull you denny off the beach. it would take a whole tugboat to move roys ass back to the water your generosity is overwhelming. just trying to be helpful! bg denny .

From : budd cochran

just how loud is a clogged or broken catsometimes i can drive my truck around and its fine other times you car hear something from the cat and its loud. even with the doors shut with the radio on you can hear it. but its not all the time. i can drive for days without a sound then i hear it all the way to work then gone again then back for a little bit then gone. its hard to diagnose or have the dealer replace the cat if its intermittent like that... any ideas 99 dakota sport 5.2 4x4 3.55 gears auto stock size tires. k&n fipk 10.8 mpg with mostly freeways new copper plugs cap rotor o2 sensor air cleaner belt synthetic oil trans service cleaned intake. .

From : budd cochran

any pros or cons for installing headers nothing than the usual header cons - hotter underhood temps more susceptible to gasket leaks could rust out over time.. the power gains are decent however. i say go for it. if youre going to keep the truck for more than a few years id look into having them ceramic coated. either way get a starter heat shield. the drivers side header pipe will pass very close to the starter. stuck starter solenoids suck. youll also want to get different ignition wires - get ones designed for higher temps. the ones i have use heavy silicone boots with a reflective coating on them. havent burned one up yet. how about any sensors on the exhaust system how do i handle them and will it effect the engine unplug the electrical connector then remove the o2 sensors. either use an o2 socket or a box-end or flare-type wrench. what other problems will i run into typical exhaust system problems - rusted bolts clamps... have a good penetrating oil handy as well as several different cutting tools cut-off wheel reciprocating saw etc.. if youre discarding the old system theres no reason to be neat about it. cut what you cant easily unbolt. the stock hangers can sometimes be a bitch - the metal rods with the barb on the end that fit through the rubber isolators... cut the rod at the 90 bend and remove the cut piece with the barb from the other side. its a whole lot easier. when installing new just coat the barb with some grease. the hardest part by far will be installing the headers - not a lot of room to work with around the rear cylinders but its doable done it twice now .

From : budd cochran

roger c. covalt wrote budd im not going to get in to a gospel flame war here. nobody wins. people end up getting pissed off at each other and ending friendships that way. ive been in and seen enough debates to know that anyone can bring up scriptures and history to disprove the others faith/beliefs but then the other comes back with more all in the name of love. iow im supposed to shut up and let truth be ignored. unfortunately i already answered the question about the attributes to be a true god and the lds god doesnt have them. lets just end this discussion by just giving each other a big hug and kiss over the internet i wont tell my wife if you dont tell yours. no thanks. but ill agree to drop it. i didnt bring up the questions i just answered them. budd .

From : budd cochran

i think it came under the extremely broad heading of poetic license which translates into it sounds cool. budd roy wrote good grief!!!! what i found odd was the boys say they were evenly matched equal numbers and an even race. i dont remember them racing in the same classes back then. budd me either they sure didnt fall into the same class through cubic inchs to weight. maybe a f/x or more than likely match races. that was where the money was. roy .

From : jerry

we had the flash done on our 99 5.9 durango. all it did was cut the power in half by retarding the spark. after that the cruise control was even uncomfortable to use because it kept chasing the speed & didnt have the power to maintain highway speed. we took it in 15 times to 3 different dealers and finally they probably reprogrammed it i bet. they said they found a leak in the thermostat gasket but it had a bit more power. that engine just runs too hot with too high of a compression not to ping. it should be run with 89 octane. they mention other tsbs like routing the spark plug wires away from the valve covers & wrapping them up. that has been done to mine but i imagine they are just cheap wires. the spark plugs are garbage too. youll probably be ok just replacing those. my next upgrade will be a cold air intake after i take care of the ball joint defect. i have platinum plugs old wires k&n filter i turned the input for the air box to allow more airflow and i installed one of those 10k resistors inline with the idle air controller to advance the spark and installed a 160deg thermo which is a bit too cold. havent had a ping in over 20k and have a total of 57k on it. all i can say is do not let dc flash that chip youll regret it. exhaust every other option. thanks t yep i meant dc. are they saying what the cause of the pinging is or why folks are losing power with the fix scout .

From : budd cochran

why dont you wait and see how it goes before you jump on me too budd yeah shame on you.......... jerry -- character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. .

From : jerry

i am looking to replace my 97 2500 w/camper pkg and want to be sure that i get enough truck to handle a medium-sized fifth wheel. when i use the dodge website to calculate payload capacity the 2500 with cummins ho is rated at only 1990lbs. the 3500 short bed srw is rated at 2820lbs. when i look at these two trucks side by side they appear to have the exact same springs and the same ride height. the only difference being that the 3500 has the auxiliary extra leaves just like my 2500 w/camper pkg. am i correct that the auxiliary springs are the only difference between 2500 and srw 3500s anyone have fifth wheel experience with the 03 heavy duties .

From : budd cochran

the bill in question is s.255 apparently started by olympia snowe a republican from maine. further the bill is co-sponsored by many more senators than are mentioned here including sen akaka daniel k. - 4/28/2003 hi sen boxer barbara - 2/11/2003 ca sen cantwell maria - 1/30/2003 wa sen chafee lincoln d. - 6/13/2003 ri sen clinton hillary rodham - 1/30/2003 ny sen collins susan m. - 1/30/2003 me sen corzine jon - 1/30/2003 nj sen dodd christopher j. - 1/30/2003 ct sen durbin richard j. - 1/30/2003 il sen jeffords james m. - 1/30/2003 vt sen lautenberg frank r. - 2/24/2003 nj sen leahy patrick j. - 1/30/2003 vt sen murray patty - 1/30/2003 wa sen nelson bill - 3/4/2003 fl sen reed john f. - 1/30/2003 ri sen reid harry m. - 3/4/2003 nv sen schumer charles e. - 1/30/2003 ny sen snowe olympia j. - 1/30/2003 me so if you really want to do something about this you can register with suvoa and then write your congressman or you can simply write to them without getting caught in a membership bs trap. btw folks this bill is not up for vote in the full senate on july 29 as its listed status is latest major action 1/30/2003 referred to senate committee. status read twice and referred to the committee on commerce science and transportation. you people in maine new york conneticut sp washington new jersey hawaii florida vermont illinois nevada and rhode island owe it to themselves to vote next election. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : nathan w collier

did you go through here on your move i thought you went through sd. on the way to montana i came up through minnesota on 94 and came through nd. damn! you drove within a 1/2 mile of my house! i live just north of the first exit in fargo! greg .

From : gary glaenzer

--------------------------- customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail on sat 19 jul 2003 090741 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote wah... see the tear you must be crying because you bought a dodge.... cbhvac wrote lol..nope...got a fleet of fords...funny for a guy that has family with chrysler.. actually i find it to the point of laughter with tears that you posted this drivel in a dodge group. no one cares here what you do..what you spend your money on...or what you think of the product. while there are some that will try to make you feel all warm and fuzy about your post the majorty will not.. jesus..why are all the fucking morons from comcast aol kicked them off maybe budd remove wrote look in the mirror and you will see him. by the way im on aol if its any of your business figures. .

From : nathan w collier

bud and nate and everyone else first of all i knew there was one of regulars that had moved out to utah and i thought it was you bud but wasnt sure. second of all let me give you my perspective of utah and btw i am lds convert too and i am a san diego native and still live in san diego county. yes the lds church has a lot of influence in the state. but you also have lots of freedom that you dont find elsewhere. more places to go off roading without the sierra club getting down your back as hard as in other states. i thought about going to byu once but decided against it because i like to hike and climb and explore on the weekends. also i dont mind taking a religious class when i want to and i have had great teachers in this aspect but not every quarter. yes there are moral issues that the church takes a stance on and im glad that some religions have the balls to do that instead of just being 2 faced. ive always been taught and have tried to follow the principles taught by my parents-to stand up and be noticed on issues. im pretty vocal on my stance on most everything. yes if you want porn on tv you might not get in on cable but there is always disk network. southern utah is going to be more lds than the big cities in northern utah. but youre going to have more problems in those cities. if youve ever read any of edward abbeys books youll get the strong impression he doesnt care for mormons. in fact in two of his books the monkey wrench gang and hayduke lives there is a character named bishop love that is a great farce on the lds church. as you probably are aware earth first! has their roots in the writings of abbey. ive known fellow environmentalists and i claim to be one too that have based their attitude of the lds church solely on the writings of abbey. sadly its their closed mindiness-willing to accept someone elses words on a belief without investigating it themselves of course they will never admit to being closed minded-its always there other side that is closed minded. they would find that there are lots of flaming liberals along with the standard picture image of the church of being right wing conservatives. the reason i want to move to southern utah is not because i am lds but because i cant stand what is happening in california and would prefer a area with more freedom. i am a right wing conservative meaning i favor less taxes less government in our lives but also a flaming environmentalist how can the 2 of them together be possible got to be open minded on thu 24 jul 2003 151117 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote nate i had to give my reply a lot of thought because you are my friend and we do have differing opinions but please read this answer as the advice from a true friend as it is intended. budd nathan w. collier wrote sure. constantly trying to force their agenda on you. constantly trying to force their agenda into the local school systems by pressuring the school boards on any issue theyre faced with. constantly trying to force their agenda on the local politicians and other policy makers. throwing tantrums over any issue dealing with sex such as the schools giving away condoms pressuring the local cable companies to drop certain channels and waking you up early every saturday hoping to save you. not to mention the overall mentality and attitude. nate dont come to ut for even an offroad event. heres what ive observed in the two times ive lived in this state. this state is owned and operated by the lds mormon church. subtly they have worked the lds principals into many if not most of the laws and then when someone comments the laws are biased toward lds members they claim religious persecution. case in point a year or so ago a reporter for the salt lake city tribune wrote an article about the persecution of mormons by non-mormons . . unfortunately by the fifth paragraph he was as guilty of bashing non-mormons as he claimed was happening to mormons. this made the whole article a hypocrisy but over the next few days he received rave reviews . . from the lds church leaders. i never saw a single published counterpoint . . .i wonder why the tribune is lds owned. btw the reason for the article he had overheard a non-lds comment that wasnt even directed at him personally . . .in colorado. i am not bashing the mormons though i disagree with their beliefs just stating what i read and have observed. i have been insulted by mormons for no reason other than because im not mormon. i am not saying this is true of all mormons but it is prevalent. my biggest complaint about nc so far are those phucking restrictive covenants. i find it both humorous and aggravating that a state that is soooooo liberal with their gun laws would issue laws controlling how you so much as decorate your own property never mind putting up a separate building such as a garage. this is happening a

From : roger c covalt

well... i have a 2003 1500 4.7 5 speed manual 4x4 quad cab sb truck. i like it for what it is. it sure is fun to drive like a sports car and it handles pretty good with the 20 & 275/60/20s under it. my next truck will be a diesel though. i am use to driving a diesel truck and this truck doesnt have enough torque down low for me. but she does move when you wind her out right to the rev. limiter -d -d -d... my fuel economy is pretty bad with my driving style wot over 50% of time and being racey with them little ricers... fun fun fun! -- ======================= nick leinonen nickleinonen@rogers.com markham ontario canada http//community.webshots.com/user/nickleinonen ======================= .. since a group is by nature an open forum i just wanted to voice my opinion on the topic of the 4.7l sohc engine. i have seen a lot of people bash that engine in the ram 1500 quad cab. one poster even suggesting that it is useless at pulling a load in excess of 2000 pounds. i have to wonder if this is opinion or that said posters have actually driven a ram 1500 qc with the 4.7. either that or the automatic transmission dodge is putting in these trucks is a total piece of shit. for what it is worth i have a 2003 dodge ram 1500 quad cab slt 4x4 with the 4.7l sohc engine the 5-speed manual transmission and 3.92 gears in the rearend with the limited slip option. i have had it for 1 month now and have about 4200 miles on the odometer. over the last month i have averaged 15mpg in daily driving it has actually been improving as the miles passed the 2000 mark and the one trip i took to virginia earned me an 18.7mpg. i have a 3200 pound 20 boat and trailer combination that i tow with it regularly and have no trouble maintaining 70mph or better even on a grade. yes i do have to shift a lot to keep the engine in the meat of its powerband and 5th gear is usually out of the question when towing unless the road is completely flat or downhill. as yet i have only two complaints about the truck 1 i find the way the rear end hops at the slightest bumps unnerving dont give me that its a truck crap either my 2000 chevrolet silverado extended cab didnt do this why should the dodge 2 the goodyear all-season tires that came on it suck they will be replaced shortly. so to all considering a truck like this if you know how to drive a stick get one. i have had no power problems with this motor and tranny combination. in fact it is quite quick provided you are not squeemish about revving it to 5500 rpm before shifting. this motor is quite flat below 2000 rpm. in fact it doesnt really wake up until 3000. just my 2 cents but i am quite happy with 4.7l and the 5-speed manual. it is a good combination. i am considering the jba shorty headers volant cold-air induction and a borla exhaust system. if you believe the power gain claims on www.truckperformance.com for these components my truck should be around 300hp with these additions. well see. also centerforce is working on a replacement clutch for this. a centerforce clutch doesnt make anymore horsepower but allows you to put more of it to the rear wheels. ill let you all know how it works out. -- steve - fuquay varina north carolina .

From : roger c covalt

have a 97 cummins out of warranty i want to make this baby go faster. can anyone give me any tips on what i can do to add more power and maybe some new ideas on anything else that will put me back in front of the pack in my home town thanks. last man standing. .

From : greg o

can sombody explain how the gvw works my dakota says gvw 5765 lb on the door sticker and me and the truck are 4800 and change. does this meen my total capicty with truck and any trailer can only be 5765 lb. i hope someboy can help me i am looking at buying a travel trailer to tow behind the truck kevin campbell .

From : roger c covalt

and it wasnt brigham young that was told to abandon the practice of polygamy. it was president wilford woodruff in 1890 that issued the manifesto that suspended plural marriage. of course it took several more years to actual see it stopped in the main lds church. and again another correction. it was several years after the formation of the church that joseph smith started taking plural wives. as you might also recall in the early days of polygamy it was only the men that could support the extra wives that took them on. the splinter groups that do still practice it and then support milking the government for aid are wrong. they should be striving to have no government involvement in their lives. a good author of lds history is d. michael quinn. former byu professor that have been ex. also if you research into the early history of the lds church youll find that it really wasnt that conservative. there is evidence pointing that the church looked the other way in regards to gay relationships. ive seen some research that points to that some of the plural marriages where brought on because the sisters wanted to keep their gay relationships hidden. i will agree that it is a religion like any other religion....based on certain beliefs written and interpreted over the years. got to stay open minded on all issues. religion is a hard one because of the closed mindedness of many believing that their religion is the only correct one and all others are evil. there is good and bad in all religions. its the membership that tends to make a certain religion look bad. see you all in church next sunday eh on thu 24 jul 2003 131258 -0700 pdt ejutah@webtv.net eldon jons wrote nate wrote bigamy was not against the law at that point and when law was passed making it illegal they dropped the policy. frankly i dont see the problem there. i think its also fair to note that the reason they practiced bigamy to begin with was because so many of their men had been killed by other religious fanatics who hated them based upon nothing more than religious differences. actually it is polygamy in utah and the reformed lds church rlds still supports the belief. although it is not supported by the lds church thousands still practice it. since the sister wives arent recognized by the government as being married our tax dollars go to support many of them and their kids. you get 3-6 of these wives living in the same house and the benefits add up. no wonder the polygs as they are called can afford to drive brand new $40000 vehicles. the mormons didnt abandon the practice until it was realized that the us government wouldnt grant statehood to utah as long as they were breaking the law. suddenly brigham young was told by a message from god to abandon the practice....probably the same messenger that told joseph smith to take multiple wives when the religion was formed lol! it is a religion like any other religion....based on certain beliefs written and interpreted over the years. so long.... eldon ; http//community.webtv.net/ejutah/acpictures http//community.webtv.net/sodakid2/allallischalmers rather b. beachen ratherbbeachen@hotmail.com .

From : dale yonz

-- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving do you represent or resent that remark tom lol i think that we went over this once before. i dont resent anything or anyone in here. i find some people to be rather ignorant and for the most part assholes and im sure that others feel the same about me but this is a group so who cares. we have had our battles in the past but i dont hold anything against you for it and i hope that you feel the same way but if you dont there is nothing that i can do about it so what is the point in worrying vbg budd tbone wrote why i auta $1800 yadayada it would probably take the jaws of life to pry yer money out of your pocket. i represent that remark. i am very generous just ask me. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : gary glaenzer

dnjta.284957$w.10946449@twister.southeast.rr.com michael@mck.net.com michael@mck.net.com wrote hello all... i have a 2003 ram 2500 with the cummins 5.9l ho engine and the automatic tranny. i have just under 10000 miles on it so far. i have heard of other ram owners with diesel engines claiming that they get close to +/- 20mpg. i dont get anywhere close to this. the best i have ever gotten was 16mpg and on average i get about 14.8 - 15. typical use is highway miles usually empty driver and maybe one small passenger and not towing anything. i typically have the cruise control set at 80mph and the engine tachs at about 2300 at that speed. the crazy thing is that i get almost the exact same mileage when towing a 4000lbs trailer. the power this truck has is truely impressive but i thought i would get a little better mpgs. if there are any other 2003 cummins ho auto-tranny owners out there who track their mileage i would be very interested in what you are getting. thanks! got the low cummins made trip to the city got 21 canadian miles per gallon that would be around 19. temp in high 80s ac working speed doing 65 mph .