Will high octane really damage my engine? - followup

From : snoman

Q: sure am. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. nope are you enjoying this as much as i am does tbone ever shut up and just let things go when he is wrong stay tuned.... -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. only in your tiny immature mind. now please explain exactly how the torque increase from the tc is any different than the torque increase from the transmission in its lower gears. now i dont want to hear how it is done differently just how the result is in any way different and try to keep the language on an adult level for a change. red herring alert !!!!! whoopwhoopwhoop !!!!!!!!! where exactly did i say it was different if you do not think that it is different then why did you bring up the torque converter at all sounds like backspin to me. for that matter where was the gear reduction ever mentioned except by you the whole point of this argument has to do with gear reduction gary please follow along. no my original had to do with the transmission producing torque please go back and re-read my first response i know what your original response was and that is why i called you an ass since you are arguing nothing more than semantics and is now becomming circular as well my entire reply was based on the erroneous statement specifically the last 11 words of the following from snoman we are actually in partial agreement here but this is also the reason why much earlier in the thread i stated to regear the truck because though the towed mileage may be short to ramp the stress of the ramp can be high and a tranny can realy heat up fast in a heavy stall and deeper gears do two things the tranny has to product less torque to move the load he said that the tranny produces torque actually he said products but well let that pass since ive already told him he needs to be precise in his wording i said no the transmission does not produce torque but the converter changes high-rpm/low torque output of the engine to lower-rpm/higher-torque output wtf does this even mean gary. like i said multiple times the transmission does this as well in its lower gears so what exactly is your point here that a transmission or torque converter cannot on its own produce torque ok here is a quick question for you. if more torque is comming out of a unit than is going in is it not producing torque and if not what exactly is it doing now before you try to use the term converting remember that an engine does nothing more than convert liquid fuel into heat and mechanical energy so that argument will not hold up. power torque at a given spped is produced in the engine true. the converter changes the speed/torque ratio yes it does just like the transmission but what does this have to do with anything the converter cannot produce torque only change the relationship between input speed/torque and output speed/torque but by doing that you are producing more torque at the cost of rpm so by your own definition a trasnsmission can produce torque or at least produce more torque. remember gary produce and create are two different words. no free lunch in other words there is never a free lunch. at least on this we can agree. nowhere did he or i mention gear ratio he said once more since you have problems comprehending things that the tranny has to produce less torque sorry gary but you really are not very good at spin. dont try to change the subject to some garbage about gear ratios. you did say that the tc converts from a high rpm to a lower rpm and increases torque. a transmission does the same thing just by a different method. maybe he meant to say has to provide less torque which is correct. what part of gear ratio in relation to first second third and fourth gear plus reverse is so hard for you to understand now you have spun so fast that you have lost me. what exactly are you asking me the tranny god will you folks grow up and call it a transmission fer chrissakes ! cannot produce torque.......it can convert it in the converter or it can change ratios between input and output shafts and thus convert hi-r/lo-t input to low-r/hi-t output but it cannot produce torque only a power source such as the engine can do that where exactly are you trying to spin this you keep talking about the tc but who cares what exactly does the tc have to do with the topic at hand do you actually know where the tc gets its name from perhaps you should go and look it up. perhaps you should look up produce as in create or generate create is only one definition of produce. another definition happens to be to bring forth http//www.

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From : tbone

no its what we all do when we realize your head is secured firmly up your ass by a rope that seems drawn tight around your neck and secured to your tongue. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. gary is full of shit here and so are you or are you just bored either way he stopped responding which is what he usually does when he realizes he is wrong so this thread should be just about done. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving wow musta got out the book. if thats the case keep reading and youll see where gary is correct in what hes been telling you. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. the impeller is connected to the engine actually part of the tc housing while the turbine and stator are each on their own shafts and go to the transmission. the stator shaft is held in a fixed position while the turbine shaft drives the trans. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you know the difference great then tell us which one is attached to what shaft. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. i know the difference but said the wrong name get over it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving no you need one in both sentence structure and transmission theory it seems. this from the same guy who didnt know the difference between an impeller and a stator .

From : jmc

tbone wrote i doubt that since i have 3.55 gears and run around that level at 65. but it is like a 2.40 in od which is really too tall and puts engine well below its ve range in a big heavy vehical. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-help-mod-2001-1500-quadcab-towing-22-motorboat-ftopict124505.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=611449 .

From : Annonymous

sure it does. it brings forth the torque it received from the tc which brings forth the torque it received from the engine. transmitts and brings forth mean pretty much the same thing here. nope. not at all. the converter converts and the transmission transmits nothing more nothing less. your usual grab at semantics to save your sorry knowledge base isnt working. sorry max but you are the true master od semantics. in order for the converter to even get its name it has to convert or produce something. that is one error for you. the transmission also both transmitts but also converts and changes which also has it producing something thats two wrong for you. nope not the same thing at all. the convertor converts really what does it convert and what does it convert it to gary went over this with you. i read it you should have too. and converting is just another way of producing something. thanks for agreeing with me. sure it does. it brings forth the torque from the engine and brings forth more of it than what it received so in a way it grew builds makes or p r o d u c e s more torque than it receives. nope. cant do that. the engine can but the trans cannot put out more than it gets in. lol neither can an engine or anything else for that matter or you would have perpetual motion. while it cant put out more than it gets in it can use one thing to produce something else and in this case it consumes rpm to produce more torque. consumes rpm geez... never heard of that one before.... for the record rpm is merely a measurement of velocity rpms have zero energy. lol actually it is a measurement of angular velocity and anything that has a velocity contains energy which can be consumed or used to produce something else. rpms are just a unit of measure. you can jump on the semantics if you want but it really doesnt do much for your credibility. methinks you need to hit the library for some serious research. ditto i will compare my credentials with yours any day of the week. mike -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .