Why no transmission oil drain plug?

From : gary glaenzer

Q: periodically yes... throwing a new filter in every 10k would be just a wee-bit excessive but i wouldnt consider changing 1/2 to 1/3rd of the transmission fluid every 10k to be excessive at all. if youre going to change the fluid change the filter if youve got enough particles to clog the filter in 10k or even 30k miles youve got bigger problems to worry about. if youre that anal you might want to try an inline filter on the cooler lines. if nothing else it makes cleaning the cooler lines after a transmission failure a lot easier.. yes just great restrict cooler flow with an in-line filter js you gotta get in it to change the filter anyway.......... thanks. my thinking is that with a trans fluid pan that is equipped with a plug i can drain trans oil more often lets say every 10k miles. would that extend life of my transmission my first change occurred recently at 47k miles. the oil looke

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From : max340

wiggle the wire on the temp sensor... watch the gauge. with the engine hot....wiggle the wire on the temp sensor and watch the gauge. your checking for a resistance problem at the connector...not likely..possible...but not likely while you have the engine hot...take a peak under the truck.....see if the convertor is glowing red. not likely...possible....but not likely make sure the ac condensor is clean of bugs and debris..same for the front of the radiator.......both will restrict air flow. dont think thats it...but possible make sure the fan shroud is intack. change the t-stat....the truck is 7 years old.....you felt a need to flush the radiator...so the same gunk would be in the t-stat and the thermal unit is weak after 7 years anyways. 7years..figuring the truck was purchased or built in 1996 besides.......t-stats is cheap ..ya know. possible...very possible check the fan clutch.....get the vehical running hot..to the 200 degrees you were posting.....cut the engine and see if you can freewheel the fan blade with a good snap of the wrist. any thing over 1 1/2 turns should be considered weak...but not likely the cause of the symptom. anything over 2 turns should be considered bad and replaced. also...see if you can wiggle the fan and the clutch on its hub....like a loose wheel bearing...definatly bad then. this is not likely the prob....as long as its running hot at extended hyway speeds if all is well on all this........change the temp sensor...its a cheap enough guess item to replace. possible.....very possible if all checks good..and you replaced the t-stat and the temp sensor...you should have about an hour in labor and less than $20 in parts. then....if alls not well .... you need to decide if you want to tackle the issues of a good running truck with no symptoms other than a guage reading hot. i would highly suggest going to a shop for all this. hopefully youll find a bad t-stat or sensor is the dealand that worry wont come up. what i would do............. without any shop equipment...testers...or specialty tools..... check all the checkables real quick..... then change the t-stat and temp sensor... based on age only....$20....knock em out and quit guessing. then you know the systems integrity is sound..and that steps out the way in less than an hour. guess work diagnostics....i dont condone it on expensive and vague repairs but on a limited system with a minimal outlay of funds and parts..20 bucks is cheap diagnostics its economical at least..and prevenative maintenance at best considering the items are frequently induced to extreme temp variances. let us know what you find. hopefully helpfull ..gibson6string.. =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d= =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d .

From : max340

any proof to this well first you claim there is no direct contact of metal or something to that effect. thats wrong. in fact the pump doesnt even have bearings its flat steel on steel. second the tc bushing depends on pressure from the pump to force fluid onto the neck/bushing surface for lubrication. no pressure no lube bushing gets fried. and maybe its not bad enough that you notice anything.... except for that leak that suddenly appeared dripping from the bellhousing. third assuming there is a film of oil left when its spun dry youve effectively forced air throughout the trans circuits including to all the bearings. fun huh yes the *engagement* of the transmission with low oil levels will damage the transmission for one reason - unable to build up enough pressure to keep bands and clutches engaged this will rapidly increase temperatures fluid breakdown occurs and all hell breaks loose.. not to mention starving the bearings and bushings. when the shifter is in park or neutral nothing is engaged therefore no heat buildup and no transmission failure. the layer of lubricant that is on those parts should last for at least 5 seconds... in park you arent pumping a damn thing out of that trans. as to the five seconds.... well if you want to gamble it thats your trans go for it. five seconds at 750 rpm thats 62 revolutions at a fair speed that you are hoping a film of oil with no pressure will remain stable and not be forced aside or vaporized. good luck. the pump itself should be under very little mechanical load since its building no pressure and the inner gear of the pump is held by the torque converter and the outer gear should be a perfect fit with the pump housing... perfect fit wtf is that there is a clearance spec on that rotor dont have it immediately available but there is enough clearance that without fluid the rotor could score the housing. hell ive seen trannies that did have enough fluid score the outer gear and housing. the teeth are precision - its not like the gears bang together... wrong. they are precision but they are not a perfect fit in the traditional gear to gear sense. they cannot be they rotate one inside the other. hell unless theyve changed radically in the new ones the mopar gear pumps dont even have gear shaped teeth in the normal sense. now all bets are off if the pump is half full of metal filings or some other bad situation... then again if theres that much metal about your transmission is just an anchor waiting to happen anyways.... so invite trouble by sucking the last drop of fluid out of it max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : john kunkel

pull a the corresponding valve cover and remove the offending piece. assuming it is the entire little foil thing. i would say if it is larger than 1/4 of the foil cap that you should probably remove it as soon as you can. carl you know how some oil comes with a thin foil under the cap well while changing the oil in i think i allowed a piece of that protective foil into the engine! it just went in as i was pouring the oil in. i saw a sliver flash go into the damn funnel and before i knew it it was too late to grab it! i couldnt see anything in there after looking around for a while with a flashlight. my thought is to just use the vehicle for a week or so and then change the filter/oil again. the filter should trap that should it after all that is why we use oil filters right should i worry about this guys thanks! .

From : hattmakr

thanks for the advice. i actually took it to a recommended mechanic in the neighborhood and he found two freeze plugs that were leaking. $180 to replace them because one is behind the starter. i may have over-reacted a little about the dealer but the timing was a little too close. my engine was clicking when i got off 95 but the guy didnt think i did any immediate damage to my engine. i guess well see. one lightbulb could have saved me a lot of stress. if you are adding fluids of any type its leaking! you just have not found out where from. look for a white crust around heads thermostat cap etc. nunya you should be checking your fluid levels. i did that same dumb thing 1 time. i did not check the coolant level for 1 year and thought so strange my engine is getting very hot for a short time then back to normal. it was because i did not check the fluid levels after 1 year and it all had evaporated. i had no leak. i do not know what it is or why but it just seems that dodge engines just use a lot of fluids. i have to add a quart of oil every 6 months. in fact i have to add something at least every 6 months. i have had my truck for 3 years and for a while i could of swore i had leaks somewhere but not at 63k miles still no leaks and still adding lots of fluids often. i got my 97 v8 ram van back on thursday morning and friday night i was on the side of 95 north with a bone dry radiator and reservoir. my dashboard light over the temp gauge was out so i didnt notice it was hot until after exiting. could have been hot for 50 miles at 60-70mph. it had made a strange foghorn like sound earlier in the day but nothing that would make me think it was overheated. the gauge may have even been at a normal level this afternoon - i cant remember seeing anything strange when i heard it. i put a gallon of antifreeze/coolant and a gallon of water in the tank and the temperature remained at a normal level during the return trip home of the same distance. any suggestions as to what to expect from my engine 62k in the near future as a result of this i.e. weak/blown head gasket any suggestions as to how to appraoch the dealership about this so as to not let them cover-up any fatal mistakes that might have been made i plan to visit an independant party tomorrow am to verify that a there are no leaks in the cooling system and b verify everything else on their checklist was actually performed which will hopefully assist me in proving neglegence or all out fraud if it comes to that. ive only had the thing for six months and im concerned it has been permanently affected. this is my first post to any dodge group and i appreciate any feedback you can offer. thanks. jimmy in se pa .

From : roy

even bees like rams...only the beekeepers hate them craig beekeep wrote im not sure if it is a dodge truck or not. http//www.radix.net/honeybs/tg.jpg beekeep .

From : gary carter

i never have and have never had a failure that could be attributed to not doing it. never had brake fade max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : tbone

deck height 10.725 from crank centerline to head mounting surface the deck. and youre probably breaking rings because the ridge in the cylinders wasnt removed then honed properly improper ring gap or dirty ring grooves. budd ronny wrote on a stock 1976 440 what is the deck height what is the rod length i have an engine which has destroyed a piston twice !! i think the rings are breaking from too high a pressure. i have heard that the piston should be within 0.040 of the head quench or squish height mine is 0.171 at tdc comments .

From : tbone

in all honesty if they require as much service as you suggest they should be adapted to allow for it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and the guy who wrote that spec is going to pay to fix yours every 12-15 k every 6-10 k if you tow every oil change if you tow heavy or more than 50% of the time i thought the spec said 40k miles on dodge ram pickups. i have a trans oil cooler. hd package i robs440 nuyabusiness@nospamleavemealone.attbi.com wrote in message every 25000 i think is normal dont recall off the top of my head. unlike the engine oil which is expected to be drained relatively often the transmission oil may last the life of the vehicle tell me - why do you think transmission fluid is immune to contamination break-down and general used-up-ed-ness that every other petroleum-based product exhibits .

From : tbone

on sun 22 jun 2003 183323 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@fidnet.com wrote mike... dont do it.... after 2 divorces i can tell ya from experience that its cheaper to buy two new trucks and have custom gauges installed than it is to get one divorce.. *lol* roy i had the pillar pod on my 97 br and liked it very well. i would do the same with my 03 dr but they have conveniently placed a grab handle on the a pillar that momma uses to get in the truck when she drives it. if it werent for that i would use the pillar mount setup again....... ....hmmmmmm.... maybe just get a taller wife...... yeah thats the ticket....... a middle aged gal about 18 with big ....... ^ mike im going to mount the gauge in a gauge mount on the steering column and mount the sending unit in the oil pan. mike after all the reading i did on the tdr and elsewhere the consensus was that the most accurate location for the sender was in the line heading to the cooler. heres a # of a line that has a port that will accommodate a sender 5011244aa. you mention the column pod. i tried one on my 2k and found it

From : robs440

well here in ca we cant really hack stuff under the hood. or at least if we do hack it needs to still look stock so the inspector wont notice when its time for a smog check. i will pick up a set of wires today after work though. yep. dak 318 and ram 318 will use the same wires. i doubt they make anything that will use the funky plug. personally i hacked my plug off and extended the coil wires farther back solder + sealant + shrink tube + black tape toward the distributer and mounted a round type coil on an l-style bracket to the drivers side rear fuel rail hold-down bolt. my coil wire is 9 long now. much better pictures before i got my new coil wire and still ghetto-spliced into the harness http//www.intrastar.net/jsuter/coil/ yeah its a ford-style coil clip out of my old 78 e150. js ok i checked with the autoparts place msd does not make a prepackaged wire set for the 99 dak 5.2... i have been told i can just tell them i have a 97 ram 5.2 and they will fit. is this true also does msd make an oem replacement coil for the 99 dak something with just a little more juice than stock im not looking for drag racing just a little more spark. you know to accommodate that blower im getting this fall .

From : tbone

unlike the engine oil which is expected to be drained relatively often the transmission oil may last the life of the vehicle tell me - why do you think transmission fluid is immune to contamination break-down and general used-up-ed-ness that every other petroleum-based product exhibits and what other petroleum-based products are you referring to. i dont know anyone that ever changed the brake or power steering fluid on any of their daily drivers. just finished changing the brake fluid on the z06. changed the power steering fluid each fall on any of the dodge pick ups. any fluid that gets very hot then cooled frequently should be changed imo. roy .

From : max340

i didnt say that nobody did just that i didnt know anybody who did. i never have and have never had a failure that could be attributed to not doing it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving unlike the engine oil which is expected to be drained relatively often the transmission oil may last the life of the vehicle tell me - why do you think transmission fluid is immune to contamination break-down and general used-up-ed-ness that every other petroleum-based product exhibits and what other petroleum-based products are you referring to. i dont know anyone that ever changed the brake or power steering fluid on any of their daily drivers. just finished changing the brake fluid on the z06. changed the power steering fluid each fall on any of the dodge pick ups. any fluid that gets very hot then cooled frequently should be changed imo. roy .

From : max340

surprised at how often you people with your slush bucket trannys change oil the last one i owned had 190000 miles when traded off that dad bought new i purchased it from him at around 95000 miles and never had the pan off. but that was a 1976 ford with a c-6 to bad they dont still make them like they used to. gary carter 1996 15005.24x45-speed in all honesty if they require as much service as you suggest they should be adapted to allow for it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and the guy who wrote that spec is going to pay to fix yours every 12-15 k every 6-10 k if you tow every oil change if you tow heavy or more than 50% of the time i thought the spec said 40k miles on dodge ram pickups. i have a trans oil cooler. hd package i robs440 nuyabusiness@nospamleavemealone.attbi.com wrote in message every 25000 i think is normal dont recall off the top of my head. tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message unlike the engine oil which is expected to be drained relatively often the transmission oil may last the life of the vehicle tell me - why do you think transmission fluid is immune to contamination break-down and general used-up-ed-ness that every other petroleum-based product exhibits .

From : tbone

is this a real problem i had an intermitent air bag light really annoying. i also had the tsb flash control problem which i think is finally fixed. i have been advised to spend $300 on the clock spring thing to fix the air bag light but my return trip from dealer it did not go off. the only time it seemed to act up was on idle which was a problem before the tsb. can anyone advise by the way 2000 dodge dakota 4.7l .

From : gary glaenzer

can anyone advise as to replacement of this baby had intermitent air bag light took to dealer $300 to fix. 2000 dakota 4.7l. .

From : tom lawrence

actually you didnt -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving how i believe i addressed that. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : gary glaenzer

good for you even a blind dog gets lucky and finds a fireplug occasionally surprised at how often you people with your slush bucket trannys change oil the last one i owned had 190000 miles when traded off that dad bought new i purchased it from him at around 95000 miles and never had the pan off. but that was a 1976 ford with a c-6 to bad they dont still make them like they used to. gary carter 1996 15005.24x45-speed in all honesty if they require as much service as you suggest they should be adapted to allow for it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and the guy who wrote that spec is going to pay to fix yours ignoramus14973 ignoramus14973@nospam.14973.invalid wrote in message every 12-15 k every 6-10 k if you tow every oil change if you tow heavy or more than 50% of the time i thought the spec said 40k miles on dodge ram pickups. i have a trans oil cooler. hd package i robs440 nuyabusiness@nospamleavemealone.attbi.com wrote in message every 25000 i think is normal dont recall off the top of my head. tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message unlike the engine oil which is expected to be drained relatively often the transmission oil may last the life of the vehicle tell me - why do you think transmission fluid is immune to contamination break-down and general used-up-ed-ness that every other petroleum-based product exhibits .

From : tbone

isnt that why the fluid is there max spam filters why purify an undesired substance . 222 262212 xxudnsi13vh8dgwjxtwjhg@fidnet.com no mac.... i guess im stuck..... ^... itll be 28 years on saturday so i guess im committed or need to be ^ mike on sun 22 jun 2003 183323 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@fidnet.com wrote mike... dont do it.... after 2 divorces i can tell ya from experience that its cheaper to buy two new trucks and have custom gauges installed than it is to get one divorce.. *lol* roy i had the pillar pod on my 97 br and liked it very well. i would do the same with my 03 dr but they have conveniently placed a grab handle on the a pillar that momma uses to get in the truck when she drives it. if it werent for that i would use the pillar mount setup again....... ....hmmmmmm.... maybe just get a taller wife...... yeah thats the ticket....... a middle aged gal about 18 with big ....... ^ mike im going to mount the gauge in a gauge mount on the steering column and mount the sending unit in the oil pan. mike after all the reading i did on the tdr and elsewhere the consensus was that the most accurate location for the sender was in the line heading to the cooler. heres a # of a line that has a port that will accommodate a sender 5011244aa. you mention the column pod. i tried one on my 2k and found it to be in the way of the instrument panel also had to sorta look hard to locate it and read felt i was taking my eye off the road too long. went to the pillar mount and no problem. ymmv roy ignoramus14973 ignoramus14973@nospam.14973.invalid wrote in message i intend to install a trans temp gauge permanently when i drop the pan to service the trans for the first time. how do you do it i .

From : gary glaenzer

can anyone advise as to replacement of this baby had intermitent air bag light took to dealer $300 to fix. 2000 dakota 4.7l. remove the air bag after disconnecting the battery for 10 minutes or so remove the steering wheel and all the plastic around it disconnect all the electrical connectors remove the multi-function switch remove the clockspring and put it all back together again. youll need a set of torx screwdrivers and a steering wheel puller among other basic tools. .

From : tbone

-- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving leaking ps pump seals not always caused by the fluid. leaking steering box seals not always caused by the fluid. leaking rack and pinion seals not always caused by the fluid. leaking wheel cylinders not always caused by the fluid. leaking brake lines not always caused by the fluid. to name a few............... while all are true they are not always caused by the fluid itself and when it is caused by the fluid it is usually due to something contaminating it. caused by two words old age .

From : budd cochran

since im now a father my regular cab ram 2500 4x4 cummins isnt quite big enough to haul everybody around. of course it will haul everything else around! - so im now looking at selling the ram and getting an suv or maybe even a new ram hd quad cab. right now dodge is offering $4500 cash allowance on durangos including the r/t model. this makes them very affordable especially when local dealers have a lot on their lots they are more likely to deal. i need to have the 5.9 l engine to get the towing capacity i need 6000 lb boat/trailer combo. the 5.9 l equipped r/t with the 3.92 rear-end will tow 7100 lbs. a little extra room to spare but not quite like what i have with the ram...... i know that dodge will be releasing a redesigned durango later this year as a 2004 thus the huge cash allowance. the new r/t is reported to have the 5.7 l hemi which would really kick ass. but good luck working a great deal and say good buy to the $4500 cash allowance. id rather have the 2004 but it is hard to justify the extra $$$$ just to pick up 100 more hp and only 40 more tq. but the new body style based on the concept is very appealing. additionally im not crazy about buying the first year of a newly redesigned truck. so anybody have an r/t from 2003 or even prior years any particular comments good or bad mileage reliability performance im already used to the right pull on the ram so if it has that i wont even notice...... the hds have a $2500 cash allowance but it would cost about $4500 more than the durango. not that much in terms of payments about $70 a month. well thanks in advance for any advice. scott collins 98 ram 2500 4x4 cummins 12 valve newcastle wa .

From : roy

my wifes 2003 grand caravan just started doing the same thing. at least its under warranty. jim loveland wrote is this a real problem i had an intermitent air bag light really annoying. i also had the tsb flash control problem which i think is finally fixed. i have been advised to spend $300 on the clock spring thing to fix the air bag light but my return trip from dealer it did not go off. the only time it seemed to act up was on idle which was a problem before the tsb. can anyone advise by the way 2000 dodge dakota 4.7l .

From : max340

hehehehe....now were talking! what kind of hp boost does the kb have if i could find a way to hide the $4500 from the wife shes a cpa and works at a bank.....rats! what other perf mods are available for the r/t mill scott collins 98 ram 2500 4x4 cummins 12 valve newcastle wa scott collins scottcollins@attbi.com wrote in since im now a father my regular cab ram 2500 4x4 cummins isnt quite big enough to haul everybody around. of course it will haul everything else around! - so im now looking at selling the ram and getting an suv or maybe even a new ram hd quad cab. right now dodge is offering $4500 cash allowance on durangos including the r/t model. this makes them very affordable especially when local dealers have a lot on their lots they are more likely to deal. i need to have the 5.9 l engine to get the towing capacity i need 6000 lb boat/trailer combo. the 5.9 l equipped r/t with the 3.92 rear-end will tow 7100 lbs. a little extra room to spare but not quite like what i have with the ram...... i know that dodge will be releasing a redesigned durango later this year as a 2004 thus the huge cash allowance. the new r/t is reported to have the 5.7 l hemi which would really kick ass. but good luck working a great deal and say good buy to the $4500 cash allowance. id rather have the 2004 but it is hard to justify the extra $$$$ just to pick up 100 more hp and only 40 more tq. but the new body style based on the concept is very appealing. additionally im not crazy about buying the first year of a newly redesigned truck. so anybody have an r/t from 2003 or even prior years any particular comments good or bad mileage reliability performance im already used to the right pull on the ram so if it has that i wont even notice...... the hds have a $2500 cash allowance but it would cost about $4500 more than the durango. not that much in terms of payments about $70 a month. well thanks in advance for any advice. scott collins 98 ram 2500 4x4 cummins 12 valve newcastle wa scott get the 03 durango r/t and buy a kenne bell blower for it with the $4500 cash back. ; joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies .

From : max340

but that was a 1976 ford with a c-6 to bad they dont still make them like they used to. quite true now they put a fourth overdrive gear in them. thats certainly not like they used to. on the whole todays od trannies are the equivalent or better than the ats we grew up with but.....being a more complex beast means they want more complex care and feeding. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : jacob suter

i agree. i bought a car for $ 25 bucks once cause it wouldnt run and would get really hot. the problem was they used the bosch +4 platinum plugs in and 85 honda.. 3 out of the 4 plugs were broken as they are longer than the stock plugs. i replaced the plugs onsite and sold the car 2 hours later for $250.. i used some used ngks even and the car ran great... bosch are not worth the money just did a routine tune up and decided to give these new fangled bosch +4 platinum plugs a try. they have twice the spark and the gap is pre-set at the factory. they were pretty expensive 8 of them was $30 at walmart. but....now it seems to me my mpg has dropped quite a bit. i have not calculated it but it just seems this last tank of gas went awful quick. does anyone else have experience with these plugs good or bad i am thinking i may need to go back to champion plugs. mark .

From : robs440

max the plain fact is the pump in my case on a ford a4ld wont be pumping the fluid out of my torque converter. itll still be sloshing fluid around which would keep the bushing lubricated. and oh if you havent ever noticed before - the torque converter sits on the flex plate therefore it shouldnt place much if *any* strain on the bushing unless something else is worn out... should i go on youre just being irrationally anal. its your trans but dont go badmouthing somebody over shit you obviously dont understand. js .

From : terra

i dont know anyone that ever changed the brake or power steering fluid on any of their daily drivers i do me too! me three! i got tired of whining ps pumps and corrosive boiling brake fluid a looong time ago. js .

From : tbone

just drop the damned pan and do it properly every 12-15 k i have yet to figure out why anyone would try to save a couple bucks at the risk of a $1500 trans. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : max340

is this normal or perhaps a factory mistake normal - are you sure thats where its leaking from if so youll have to pick up a new plug at the dealer. .

From : max340

no they do not. in fact they wear. what keeps them working over the years is the inherent spring tension of the rings. everything wears max. the fact is that they dont self-destruct upon starting every morning. ok so you think you can compare a cast iron chrome or other hardened material/alloy in a compression ring which is designed to run on very little oil with a brass/bronze bushing that requires oil all that shows is your inherent lack of knowledge in metal on metal wear surfaces and design. ill wait for your proof that 5 seconds of no oil pressure on a bushing spinning at a minimum of 750 rpm causes no damage. i dont need to prove anything. you were the one that made the claim not me. actually youve claimed i am wrong. i am sure all of us with a bit of mechanical experience are waiting to hear your proof that a bearing with no oil will last perfectly unharmed for better than 5 seconds at 750 rpm. start your babbling ramble right here on this we do agree. i dont think that i would use the transmissions pump to flush the system either but in theory it should work theory is great till reality intervenes. and would cause no real damage. bullshit. i refer you back to my original post about the causes of leaks at the front seal in a trans. if i wanted to empty it the easy way i would use a pump and suck the fluid out through the dipstick tube. or if you got smart youd install a drain plug. you remember the $2 item you think car companies are ripping us off with all of which is quite opposite using the internals of the trans to drain itself of fluid. not really you are deluding yourself. jacobs method uses the trans to drain itself what i described is filling it. yet you claim its not the opposite. you are bullshitting no one but yourself. i just find it funny that people will make all of these predictions of catastrophic failure with not so much as announce of proof. prior expereince tells all of us that its a truism. people such as yourself that need proof need only do what jacob suggested a few times then when rebuild time comes which will be sooner than later draining it with its own pump look at the damage. i find it amusing that you question our dire predictions but you would never think of doing the same thing with the engine would you also with what he suggested how much air would really be forced through the trans circuits unknown i never measured it. more than i would like in a trans. then why did you make the claim because it will happen. once it does the conditions that jacob mentioned low pressure leading to partial application of clutches and bands will occur and the wear he also notes will follow. but i still dont see how 5 seconds of not being full of fluid will destroy it. then you are blind. the pressure would effectivly drop off as soon as the pan emptied out and long before the trans circuits were emptied out. lol. dont touch anyones at without having them sign a disclaimer ok is this the best that you can do lol what happened do you know that i am right here and are unable to face up to it right where hey if i am wrong show me unlike you i dont mind learning new things. if the lack of fluid to the pump is a i gotta see proof thing for you explaining the internal workings of a trans will be so far beyond your comprehension as to be a waste of time explaining here. lets just start here if the trans circuits have fluid in them the pan will ahve fluid in it since all the circuits go to one place eventually the pan. so your bs statement that the pan empties before the circuits doesnt fly and anyone who has pulled the pan on a trans knows it. hell anyone who has run low on fluid knows it. once again you dont seem to understand the whole picture. what force is going to displace your hydrodynamic wedge in less than 5 seconds. i am still waiting for this answer. unless the tc weighs nothing it will displace the fluid on the bushing between it and the pump housing. what you seem to fail to grasp is at trannies are not always perfectly centered on the crank centerline thats why they have flex plates not solid flywheels. secondly having had a bushing fail in that location because of age and a low budget during my college days i can tell you first hand it causes significant damage to the tc neck. thankfully a 904 tc costs about $40. one thing is certain it doesnt take long before damage occurs. taking long is a relative term and you have yet to demonstrate that 5 seconds is long in this case. tell ya what drain the oil out of your truck engine and run it for 5 seconds. whats that you dont want to why not i mean 5 seconds isnt that long....... until its your wallet the repairs are coming out of. neither would i and i dont think that it is a particularly good idea either but to make unfounded claims of utter destruction is also just

From : jacob suter

scott check out this link http//www.kennebell.net/superchargers/dodge/52-59ram-dakota/52-59-dakota-durango.htm the hp/torque numbers are at the bottom. you can also slap a vortech on for a bit less but the vortech is centrifugal so you dont see the instant boost that you will with the kb. btw i absolutely love my dak r/t. had an 02 totaled by a guy who fell asleep and slammed into me at 55mph and got the 03 because i liked the 02 so much. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies scott collins scottcollins@attbi.com wrote in hehehehe....now were talking! what kind of hp boost does the kb have if i could find a way to hide the $4500 from the wife shes a cpa and works at a bank.....rats! what other perf mods are available for the r/t mill scott collins 98 ram 2500 4x4 cummins 12 valve newcastle wa scott collins scottcollins@attbi.com wrote in since im now a father my regular cab ram 2500 4x4 cummins isnt quite big enough to haul everybody around. of course it will haul everything else around! - so im now looking at selling the ram and getting an suv or maybe even a new ram hd quad cab. right now dodge is offering $4500 cash allowance on durangos including the r/t model. this makes them very affordable especially when local dealers have a lot on their lots they are more likely to deal. i need to have the 5.9 l engine to get the towing capacity i need 6000 lb boat/trailer combo. the 5.9 l equipped r/t with the 3.92 rear-end will tow 7100 lbs. a little extra room to spare but not quite like what i have with the ram...... i know that dodge will be releasing a redesigned durango later this year as a 2004 thus the huge cash allowance. the new r/t is reported to have the 5.7 l hemi which would really kick ass. but good luck working a great deal and say good buy to the $4500 cash allowance. id rather have the 2004 but it is hard to justify the extra $$$$ just to pick up 100 more hp and only 40 more tq. but the new body style based on the concept is very appealing. additionally im not crazy about buying the first year of a newly redesigned truck. so anybody have an r/t from 2003 or even prior years any particular comments good or bad mileage reliability performance im already used to the right pull on the ram so if it has that i wont even notice...... the hds have a $2500 cash allowance but it would cost about $4500 more than the durango. not that much in terms of payments about $70 a month. well thanks in advance for any advice. scott collins 98 ram 2500 4x4 cummins 12 valve newcastle wa scott get the 03 durango r/t and buy a kenne bell blower for it with the $4500 cash back. ; joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies .

From : jacob suter

hello all stock plugs. i replaced the plugs onsite and sold the car 2 hours later for $250.. i used some used ngks even and the car ran great... bosch are not worth the money i guess everyone has different experiences depending on vehicle and configuration. i have the bosche +4 plugs in my family wagon an old caprice with a v8. we drive it about 100 miles every day and it gets 18+ mpg. it actually gets better mileage than my mother-in-laws new chevy trail-blazer with a 6-cylinder. this is a fairly new engine with less than 20000 miles on it and came with champion plugs installed. the first year with the engine we were only getting 12 to 14 mpg. we had them perform some tweaking on it and got it as high as 16 mpg. the +4 plugs regularly give us 18+ mpg. i also installed a set up the split-fire plugs in an old truck that i had a 1991 chevy full-size truck with a v8. before the install the truck was delivering around 12 mpg and idled very rough. after installing the split-fire plugs i was getting a steady 17 mpg even driving in the city. i later sold the truck to my brother who has knowledge in mechanics he claimed that split-fires were garbage and promptly replaced them with stock plugs. from that point on he never saw anything higher than 10 to 12 mpg. i am in alaska and in an area where we have to drive 50 to 100 miles daily on average to go to work shop at discount warehouses etc. temperatures in the winter fall to around -60 degrees and average -20 to +30. summer temperatures average between +40 and +70 degrees. personally ive never had any trouble with these plugs in this type of environment. anyway just figured id throw my experience in there. sounds like there is quite a variety of results that have been seen. i suspect that it might just be a difference of how the vehicle is equipped and possibly even driving conditions. michael hunter mike@8bitdesigns.com .

From : max340

i got tired of waiting and called gibson performance and thorley. gibson said they should have them in about three weeks. thorley says their set is at the federal lab being tested/certified and could be months away from retail sales. tic toc tic toc -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches .

From : max340

careful max your dating yourself.g now they hold between 250 and 350 gallons. some of the bigger road locos are more. we had a pair of alco s-2s and all i remember about oil quantity was that it took about a barrel and a half hoisted up in a sling on the boom truck and the barrel bung aimed at a length of rain gutter inserted in the crankcase through one of the side covers on the block. seemed downright silly at the time but it was the best method we had. no doubt on the larger quantities since more oil means longer life for that oil as well as more engine to lube. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : tbone

-- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving leaking ps pump seals not always caused by the fluid. leaking steering box seals not always caused by the fluid. leaking rack and pinion seals not always caused by the fluid. leaking wheel cylinders not always caused by the fluid. leaking brake lines not always caused by the fluid. to name a few............... while all are true they are not always caused by the fluid itself and when it is caused by the fluid it is usually due to something contaminating it. caused by two words old age old age also contributes to failing seals that causes most of those leaks. .

From : tbone

the cover of the new hot rod magazine says they are testing a set of headers and exhaust on a new hemi dodge pickup. didnt pay attention to the brand i got tired of waiting and called gibson performance and thorley. .

From : max340

max the plain fact is the pump in my case on a ford a4ld wont be pumping the fluid out of my torque converter. itll still be sloshing fluid around which would keep the bushing lubricated. wrong. ill say it again. pressure from the pump goes to that bushing which is on the outside of the tc neck just in front of the pump cavity that moves the fluid. fluid inside the tc would likely never get there if it depended on sloshing to gain lubrication. and oh if you havent ever noticed before - the torque converter sits on the flex plate nope. it hangs on the flex plate. therefore it shouldnt place much if *any* strain on the bushing unless something else is worn out... it shouldnt but again you failed to read what i said trans cases are not perfectly centered on the crank in every installation. there is some variance and if yours is one that varied a bit the wrong way well too bad for you. should i go on no you should have stopped before blurting out that stupid method of changing trans fluid. youre just being irrationally anal. spending $1500 needlessly on the trans isnt anal or irrational its good fiscal sense. its your trans but dont go badmouthing somebody over shit you obviously dont understand. lol says the guy who pumps his trans dry. its very clear you have no clue how things are designed in the trans. further its clear that you are defending a practice which is inherently stupid. do what you must but dont claim its the correct or even a good way to do things. btw when did your truck get the at last time you stuck your foot in your mouth it had a 5 spd. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : tbone

pssst! tom . . . .dont tell anyone but if you change the fluid regularly youll have fewer contaminants in it . . . . . . budd that point is debatable. if it was not dirty or contaminated to begin with being paranoid and changing it prematurely will have no beneficial effect and simply serve to rapidly drain your wallet. like that old sane goes if it aint broke dont fix it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving leaking ps pump seals not always caused by the fluid. leaking steering box seals not always caused by the fluid. leaking rack and pinion seals not always caused by the fluid. leaking wheel cylinders not always caused by the fluid. leaking brake lines not always caused by the fluid. to name a few............... while all are true they are not always caused by the fluid itself and when it is caused by the fluid it is usually due to something contaminating it. i didnt say that nobody did just that i didnt know anybody who did. i never have and have never had a failure that could be attributed to not doing it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message unlike the engine oil which is expected to be drained relatively often the transmission oil may last the life of the vehicle tell me - why do you think transmission fluid is immune to contamination break-down and general used-up-ed-ness that every other petroleum-based product exhibits and what other petroleum-based products are you referring to. i dont know anyone that ever changed the brake or power steering fluid on any of their daily drivers. just finished changing the brake fluid on the z06. changed the power steering fluid each fall on any of the dodge pick ups. any fluid that gets very hot then cooled frequently should be changed imo. roy .

From : max340

god! what a mess if you missed/slipped!!! whos got a camcorder bg if only we had a camcorder in those days...... i have a few pics left from all that. unfortunately when dad died his executors one being his girlfriend need i say more decided that all pics of trains were theirs to keep as they and their lawyer interpeted the will. fortunately i was able to get them to allow duplication and i have some scenes of my dad working in the dead of winter working on overhauls and such. among the pics i found that dad had photographed a once in a lifetime run. one of his locos needed a pinion gear installed on a traction motor and the only shops capable of the work that were nearby were pennsys altoona shops. so dad made arrangements and ran the loco light to tyrone iirc and across the interchange with conrail and out to altoona around the horseshoe curve. so i have a few pics from and of a cf-7 in the snow going around the curve. i am sure that was one of dads best memories of that time. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : terra

i just purchased a used 1999 dodge ram 1500 quad 4x4 with 5.2 liter with 54000 miles. luckily i purchased and extended warranty so the newly discovered leak in the transfer case should be covered. can anyone comment on the cause and what i should expect to be the proper solution for this problem thanks... .

From : max340

if the factory doesnt think that it is important enough to put it into the fsm or the owners manual then i think that you are just paranoid. i guess a bunch of us are paranoid then. but we are going to be paranoid and have well maintained trucks. dot 3 is acidic right out of the bottle thats why it feels warm on the skin and eats paint. i think that you may need to look up what an acid is. many things eat paint and yet are not considered acids. ok ill say it again dot 3 is acidic right out of the bottle thats why it feels warm on the skin and eats paint. if the seals fail and they probably will someday then you have far worse problems on your hands then getting water in the brake fluid. yeah like fluid all over the brake shoes. see i guess you forgot that the seals keep water out and the pistons have cup seals and lip seals that keep the fluid in. two seals dude. if the water side fails water gets in to the brake fluid because the inner seal is not keeping stuff out its keeping stuff in. and thus the outer seal can fail and the inner seal will still keep brake pressure in. then you are just plain ignorant of trans conditions. i was talking about the older 3 speed autos like the turbo 350 and 400 as well as the ford c6 and the chrysler 727 and 904. i know. and they still had heat issues they had coolers in the radiator right. iow you cannot account for all trans conditions and say that engine oil has it worse all the time. iow its debatable. conditions must have been much easier then and the very design of the trans proves it. lol bullshit!!!!! you havent a clue. if the design of the trans means it was easier then why is the same three speed section still used up til last year maybe conditions are still easy eh lol the fact that you have to take it apart to drain the fluid and replace the filter shows that the origional design was not intended for regular service every 10000 to 12000 miles. never said it was. i said the lack of a drain plug was a carry over in a 30 year old design. he same people who change their own oil would servive their trans as well. ill probably servive my trans as well by quite a few miles. for some guys they might as well. fleet owners often save money by sampling oil and changing only when contaminants reach damaging levels. and the problem with this is did i say there was a problem with it jeez you look for problems where there are none typical of your type. a drain plug retails for about $2 at the mass quantity dc would buy them its just pennies installed. the spin on filters ive seen listed for the 48re and the 45rfe are about the same cost as the filters i use in my 47re. bfd. and i bet that they still cost more than $.05 lol........ wow...... like i said they are still using parts of an old design that didnt require anywhere near the level of service that these new atods require and that is saving money at a cost to the consumer. my dad had a saying as did his father and my mothers father... if you cannot afford to maintain it dont buy the friggin thing and certainly dont whine about the details later. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : max340

when i recently took my 01 ram in for some work i had them change the rear oil im lazy!. they told me they have to remove the cover. no idea why. ill have to look but shouldnt there be one drain and one fill plug like most diffs just about any diff with a rear cover not talking ford 9 or other 3rd member types will not have a drain plug. why because its easy enough to pull the cover and doing so forces you to clean out all the old lube and inspect the gears while its off. you must mean do it the right way.g roy .

From : tbone

lol sorry max but when it comes to science you dont have a clue. they use those same bushings in most large electric motors using nothing more than a wick type lubrication system and these motors turn much faster than 750 rpm and last for decades. again comparing an electric motor to a totally different design isnt gonna bail you out of this bs routine. 1 they arent the same type of bushingsand 2 the application is a different type of load given the electric motor is a constant speed and the tc certainly is not. and this is the point. you need to show how the lubrication will disappear in less than 5 seconds. already have. your turn. but unless you can prove that it will happen in 5 seconds every time or at least the majority or hell if at all then your argument is pointless. proof is in the experiences of thousands of mechanics across the nation. again if you are willing to risk it have at it. most of us with experience dont think its worth the risk. the drain plug is useless if you still have to pull the damn pan off every time you need to change the friggen filter. no its very handy if you have to pull the pan off to change the filter. its useless on an engine if you can siphon the oil out the dipstick tube and spin on a new external filter. jeez how confused are you while the actions may be the opposit of each other the conditions inside the trans are pretty much the same for a short period of time. wrong. anyone knows that why dont you or is it that you dont understand assembly procedures prior expereince tells all of us that its a truism. sounds more like paranoia to me. sorta like your insistance that everyone be legally bound to wear seatbelts so if you hit them they are responsible for their injuries i never said that it was a good idea only that it is unlikely to cause any real damage. prove it. once it does the conditions that jacob mentioned low pressure leading to partial application of clutches and bands will occur and the wear he also notes will follow. only if he puts it in gear. well at some point he is gonna have to put it in gear duh!!!! explaining the internal workings of a trans will be so far beyond your comprehension as to be a waste of time explaining here. lol iow you cant explain because you really dont understand the theory behind its operations yourself. dude if i say you wont understand its because you dont have the capacity to deal with it. i could explain any number of things to you and all youd want is proof. well go get a book read it and find your proof. did you forget about the different circuits and the valves that close them off unless it is in some gear in all likelyhood most of these circuits will remain full in either park or neutral. lol nope. sorry see i told you that it would be over your head. in park or neutral the trans will drain the rotating assembly. and the circuits you talk about well most of them are immersed in fluid so they stay full when the trans is sitting let alone when the engine is running. but i liked that line close them off unless its in some gear. yep thats classic. you do realize that the trans is always in gear unless its park or neutral right jeez dude you have the fsm read it!!! since it is suspended by the flex-plate it does weigh next to nothing as far as the input shaft is concerned. once again you show your ignorance. the tc shell never touches the input shaft. the part of the tc that does spline to the input shaft is not connected to the flex plate or the tc neck. care to try again what i am debating is the likely risk of such a failure within five seconds when the time starts with the bearing wet. and i already said it could happen but maybe would go unnoticed except for a persistant leak that develops. debate all ya like reality says running a bearing of any sort without proper lube is bad idea. proper lube in this case is fluid under pressure from the pump. but you have yet to explain how this could happen in less than 5 seconds when the bushing starts off wet. i have explained it you choose not to believe me. wtf do i care you arent changing my trans fluid. and with your lame ideas you never would be. no not always. like you said many people dont bother looking at their transmissions until there is a problem. they could have experiences sluggish shifting and then checked the fluid found it to be very low and added more hoping that the problems would go away. when they dont then they come to see you. always some twist for you isnt there whatever. why not run all your stuff dry if it works so well im sure the owners of these vehicles not only didnt suspect the damage was there but had no reason to think it was there. then why did they bring the vehicle to you performance upgrades. obviously its all over your head. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : max340

on 6/27/03 1350 max340 wrote looks like jacobs heres how i do it... is the way to go. do gary and i need to explain this again no you wont do any better than last time. oops my engine ran dry for a couple seconds today when i started it. did i wreck it a few seconds dry is nothing plain bearings hold oil longer than ball bearings anyway. lol ok..... you figured a whopping 62 turns in five seconds. and five seconds would be for someone who just had a few too many beers id have it shut off in about one. .

From : terra

99scanner post@thegroup.com writes i really do need some help on this. im having trouble finding the culprit. i tried moving the tire around with a crowbar and nothing seems to give any play. i had hit the wheel with a mallet all the way around and still no suspicious play. i dont see any type of place for indicators like the manual mentions. i just rotated the tires the front rt wheel seems to show just a bit of feathering on in/out edges. i guess i cant rule out the right rear wheel thats where the vibration comes from. with either real wheel off the ground it seems to vibrate when hit with the mallet. not much different then i would expect from the drum brakes. what seems strange is just a little play with either rear wheel in an in/out motion. it moves such a small fraction that i can just picture that little clip in the transaxle getting snug then released. it does seem like a strange vibration or movement in the back but i just cant imagine ther is any type of adjustment. looks like i am plagued with the dodge vibration. its a 99 durango that vibrates between 72 - 82 mph and it will go away for 100 miles if i grease all the fittings. i thought i had it when the idler arm showed some movement. i replaced that during a thunderstorm and while i had the grease gun out hit the others. 100 miles later and back at square-one. any play i can detect now seems to be in the steering linkage. will that linkage cause the vibration i need some advice on troubleshotting each joint. i believe the bearings are shot just based on the lack of maintenance and the amount of sand it has been in. i have 53k on it and see stories all over about 10k replacements. so if the upper & lower ball joints are really the answer where can i find better replacement parts. is moog really an upgrade i dont want to replace these in 10k. thanks. have you tried new batteries aw .

From : max340

gordo seems like an advertisement for databeacon. i dont understand the concept of having to download a program onto my computer so i can see graphs on a webpage. people have been placing graphs on webpages for years without the need of additional software placed on viewers machines. if you search google groups most of the first two pages begin with hi insert name i work for databeacon and ..... sales pitch after sales pitch. im wary of spyware software and this really looks suspicious. thanks for the link but no thanks. fmb only one b in fmb why arent fuel prices dropping like expected there is a web site that shows a graph of fuel prices since 1995. i thought after the war we would see a decrease but regular gas is up 10 cents a gallon from the same time last year. see it at www.storydata.com .

From : max340

1 they arent the same type of bushingsand oh really better look them up. no you better look them up one uses forced il supply the other doesnt. thus the clearances will be different. 2 the application is a different type of load given the electric motor is a constant speed and the tc certainly is not. lol talk about reaching. no reach about it the gyroscope effect will help a motor where it cannot help a tc. common sense and mechanical knowledge as well as understanding simple physics makes it clear that it will not happen. lol bullshit. thats not proof by your standards and its incorrect in its line of reasoning. have a nice day. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : groucho

.... gary glaenzer wrote periodically yes... throwing a new filter in every 10k would be just a wee-bit excessive but i wouldnt consider changing 1/2 to 1/3rd of the transmission fluid every 10k to be excessive at all. if youre going to change the fluid change the filter if youve got enough particles to clog the filter in 10k or even 30k miles youve got bigger problems to worry about. if youre that anal you might want to try an inline filter on the cooler lines. if nothing else it makes cleaning the cooler lines after a transmission failure a lot easier.. yes just great restrict cooler flow with an in-line filter js you gotta get in it to change the filter anyway.......... thanks. my thinking is that with a trans fluid pan that is equipped with a plug i can drain trans oil more often lets say every 10k miles. would that extend life of my transmission my first change occurred recently at 47k miles. the oil looked reasonable pretty pink. i wrote ignoramus call summit and get you a new tci trans pan. they are cast aluminum and come with a plug. cooler is better with trans oil these pans help to keep the oil a little cooler. they come in three sizes # tci-128005 is the deepest for 727 or the 47rh-re series for cummins engined. regardless what the dealers tell you it is very good to change your trans oil. your trans will last longer. just curious... why do dodge ram transmission oil pans not have drain plugs it is very inconvenient to deal with a falling pan full of oil you know. i .