Which Synthetic ATF?
From : geekboy
Q: after my trans burned up and the shop put in some cheap crap in it they only have to worry a year i decided i want to put synthetic atf in it. i went to the parts store and they had 2 brands. valvoline +4 which was the same price at mopar dino brand of about $4.68. then they have mobil 1 multi-vehicle atf which only states mobil multi-vehicle atf is also suitable for use in both newer and older chrysler applications at a price of $6.xx while the valvoline bottle states designed to meet the specific requirements of chrysler dodge & jeep vehicles. though i know mobil has good reputation with oils my gut feeling had me go with the valvoline. and anyone here used mobil 1 5w-40 turbo diesel truck oil good for cummins or too light http//www.mobil1.com/usa-english/motoroil/oils/mobil1turbodieseltruck5w-40.aspx thanks gb .
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From : ed h
why is it that some of the best people attract the most vitriolic hate from others i dont know. i agree with both tom and roy ignore this fool i finally learned to. maybe his pee-pee will return from its fully erect state of 3 long to its normal flaccid 0.5 length. however larry i would keep an eye on who is loitering around your domicile. it might be beryl looking for a quick roll. on may 3 915 am tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcie...@earthlink.net wrote and once again you useless piece of fucking troll shit all you want to do is stir shit. i am sorry you are a flaming homosexual and have a hard on for me but i do not swing your way so please get over it. cmon... even fish eventually realize that wiggling worm is hiding a hook. stop taking the bait man... tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. larry it has become evident to most that he brings nothing and is a troll. just ignore it. .
From : Annonymous
on 3 may 2007 102227 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote on may 3 915 am tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcie...@earthlink.net wrote and once again you useless piece of fucking troll shit all you want to do is stir shit. i am sorry you are a flaming homosexual and have a hard on for me but i do not swing your way so please get over it. cmon... even fish eventually realize that wiggling worm is hiding a hook. stop taking the bait man... tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. you know honestly im not sure that steve b and barrell arent the same person. their writing is certainly consistently smug. anyway i wouldnt spend too much time worrying about what either has to say larry. just have some fun with them at least they have some value that way. .
From : tom lawrence
the owners manual for 2000 indicates that atf+3 or dextron iii is suited to use. i find that very hard to believe at least i find it hard to believe they meant to write that - mistakes happen... dexron theres no t in it has never been approved for chrysler transmissions - always mopar 7176 or equivalent and the equivalent is atf+3. could you post a scan or picture of the manual where it says this .
From : geekboy
the owners manual for 2000 indicates that atf+3 or dextron iii is suited to use. i find that very hard to believe at least i find it hard to believe they meant to write that - mistakes happen... dexron theres no t in it has never been approved for chrysler transmissions - always mopar 7176 or equivalent and the equivalent is atf+3. could you post a scan or picture of the manual where it says this you are correct. the transfer case and trasmission section are almost mixed together. .
From : tom lawrence
you might want to talk to them anyway. heres their phone number 1-866-504-4002 and while you have them on the phone ask them what ever happened to the massive 48re failures we were all supposed to see by now. after all they were designed to fail at 75000 miles. .
From : roy
you might want to talk to them anyway. heres their phone number 1-866-504-4002 and while you have them on the phone ask them what ever happened to the massive 48re failures we were all supposed to see by now. after all they were designed to fail at 75000 miles. i remember that good question .
From : miles
geekboy wrote your dealer should have mopar atf+4. most dodges from 2001+ require atf+4. thanks for the reply but i am looking for synthetic. i can get mopar +4 from wally world 2 blocks from here. mopar atf+4 is synthetic. did not know it was sold anywhere but the dealerships. thats good . .
From : miles
your dealer should have mopar atf+4. most dodges from 2001+ require atf+4. geekboy wrote after my trans burned up and the shop put in some cheap crap in it they only have to worry a year i decided i want to put synthetic atf in it. i went to the parts store and they had 2 brands. valvoline +4 which was the same price at mopar dino brand of about $4.68. then they have mobil 1 multi-vehicle atf which only states mobil multi-vehicle atf is also suitable for use in both newer and older chrysler applications at a price of $6.xx while the valvoline bottle states designed to meet the specific requirements of chrysler dodge & jeep vehicles. though i know mobil has good reputation with oils my gut feeling had me go with the valvoline. and anyone here used mobil 1 5w-40 turbo diesel truck oil good for cummins or too light http//www.mobil1.com/usa-english/motoroil/oils/mobil1turbodieseltruck5w-40.aspx thanks gb .
From : miles
geekboy wrote actually it is a 2000 so i am good one that but i know that garbage they put in it is not doing the trans any good. so tomorrow i will drain it out and put the +4 in it and see how much better it will run. by the odor i think it previously had +3 in it. but it still got burned out with that in it and a cooler w/electric fan somehow. i hope this +4 will protect the transmisson better. youll most likely have to get it flushed to get all the old stuff out from the tranny torque converter and cooler. .
From : roy
on may 3 915 am tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcie...@earthlink.net wrote and once again you useless piece of fucking troll shit all you want to do is stir shit. i am sorry you are a flaming homosexual and have a hard on for me but i do not swing your way so please get over it. cmon... even fish eventually realize that wiggling worm is hiding a hook. stop taking the bait man... tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. larry it has become evident to most that he brings nothing and is a troll. just ignore it. .
From : geekboy
your dealer should have mopar atf+4. most dodges from 2001+ require atf+4. thanks for the reply but i am looking for synthetic. i can get mopar +4 from wally world 2 blocks from here. geekboy wrote after my trans burned up and the shop put in some cheap crap in it they only have to worry a year i decided i want to put synthetic atf in it. i went to the parts store and they had 2 brands. valvoline +4 which was the same price at mopar dino brand of about $4.68. then they have mobil 1 multi-vehicle atf which only states mobil multi-vehicle atf is also suitable for use in both newer and older chrysler applications at a price of $6.xx while the valvoline bottle states designed to meet the specific requirements of chrysler dodge & jeep vehicles. though i know mobil has good reputation with oils my gut feeling had me go with the valvoline. and anyone here used mobil 1 5w-40 turbo diesel truck oil good for cummins or too light http//www.mobil1.com/usa-english/motoroil/oils/mobil1turbodieseltruck5w-40.aspx thanks gb .
From : geekboy
geekboy wrote your dealer should have mopar atf+4. most dodges from 2001+ require atf+4. thanks for the reply but i am looking for synthetic. i can get mopar +4 from wally world 2 blocks from here. mopar atf+4 is synthetic. did not know it was sold anywhere but the dealerships. thats good . oh..i did not know it was synthetic. the valvoline and the mopar do smell almost the same. the crap they put in my trans has no odor at all so i know its got to be cheap that came in a cheap drum. thanks for that insite. .
From : miles
geekboy wrote the crap they put in my trans has no odor at all so i know its got to be cheap that came in a cheap drum. if your dodge is newer than 2000 then get that crap out quick! something like dextron merc etc. can cause major problems with your transmission. mopar atf+3 maybe ok but atf+4 is what is recommended. chrysler created atf+4 and were the only ones producing it until recently when they licensed others to produce it. look in your owners manual or on the dip stick. it probably says requires atf+4 might have the atf+4 designator #9602. .
From : geekboy
geekboy wrote the crap they put in my trans has no odor at all so i know its got to be cheap that came in a cheap drum. if your dodge is newer than 2000 then get that crap out quick! something like dextron merc etc. can cause major problems with your transmission. mopar atf+3 maybe ok but atf+4 is what is recommended. chrysler created atf+4 and were the only ones producing it until recently when they licensed others to produce it. look in your owners manual or on the dip stick. it probably says requires atf+4 might have the atf+4 designator #9602. actually it is a 2000 so i am good one that but i know that garbage they put in it is not doing the trans any good. so tomorrow i will drain it out and put the +4 in it and see how much better it will run. by the odor i think it previously had +3 in it. but it still got burned out with that in it and a cooler w/electric fan somehow. i hope this +4 will protect the transmisson better. thanks for the info. .
From : geekboy
before you jump the gun make sure that atf +4 is even recommended for your trans. just because it has a higher number does not always make it backwards compatible with the ones preceding it. this fluid has specific lubrication flow and friction properties for the newer dc transmissions that might not be compatible or required for your trans and using it at best might be just wasting money and at worst could damage your trans. i would give the dealership a quick call and ask. no need atf +3 is no longer manufactured and +4 replaces it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving geekboy wrote actually it is a 2000 so i am good one that but i know that garbage they put in it is not doing the trans any good. so tomorrow i will drain it out and put the +4 in it and see how much better it will run. by the odor i think it previously had +3 in it. but it still got burned out with that in it and a cooler w/electric fan somehow. i hope this +4 will protect the transmisson better. youll most likely have to get it flushed to get all the old stuff out from the tranny torque converter and cooler. how does one flush it .
From : geekboy
geekboy wrote actually it is a 2000 so i am good one that but i know that garbage they put in it is not doing the trans any good. so tomorrow i will drain it out and put the +4 in it and see how much better it will run. by the odor i think it previously had +3 in it. but it still got burned out with that in it and a cooler w/electric fan somehow. i hope this +4 will protect the transmisson better. youll most likely have to get it flushed to get all the old stuff out from the tranny torque converter and cooler. how does one flush it .
From : miles
geekboy wrote how does one flush it most shops do it but i dont like taking mine to any except the dealer...because so many shops fail to use atf+4 and instead use some crap and then tell you they put in an additive that makes it the same. basically they open the line leading to the tranny cooler and pump out the old and pump in the new. dropping the pan will only get 1/2 or less out. maybe someone else here has an easy procedure to get as much as possible out. .
From : tbone
before you jump the gun make sure that atf +4 is even recommended for your trans. just because it has a higher number does not always make it backwards compatible with the ones preceding it. this fluid has specific lubrication flow and friction properties for the newer dc transmissions that might not be compatible or required for your trans and using it at best might be just wasting money and at worst could damage your trans. i would give the dealership a quick call and ask. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving geekboy wrote actually it is a 2000 so i am good one that but i know that garbage they put in it is not doing the trans any good. so tomorrow i will drain it out and put the +4 in it and see how much better it will run. by the odor i think it previously had +3 in it. but it still got burned out with that in it and a cooler w/electric fan somehow. i hope this +4 will protect the transmisson better. youll most likely have to get it flushed to get all the old stuff out from the tranny torque converter and cooler. how does one flush it .
From : geekboy
geekboy wrote how does one flush it most shops do it but i dont like taking mine to any except the dealer...because so many shops fail to use atf+4 and instead use some crap and then tell you they put in an additive that makes it the same. basically they open the line leading to the tranny cooler and pump out the old and pump in the new. dropping the pan will only get 1/2 or less out. maybe someone else here has an easy procedure to get as much as possible out. okay iw ill give a few places some calls and see...thanks .
From : beryl
tbone wrote before you jump the gun make sure that atf +4 is even recommended for your better wait for punkins opinion. you are failing to understand what you posted yourself that the grades in the om are recommended that does not mean you have to use it that does not mean you will void your warranty and it damn sure as hell does not mean you will damage your engine. - punkin trans. just because it has a higher number does not always make it backwards compatible with the ones preceding it. this fluid has specific lubrication flow and friction properties for the newer dc transmissions that might not be compatible or required for your trans and using it at best might be just wasting money and at worst could damage your trans. i would give the dealership a quick call and ask. -- make friends with a few animals. then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. - albert einstein .
From : azwiley1
on may 3 915 am tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcie...@earthlink.net wrote and once again you useless piece of fucking troll shit all you want to do is stir shit. i am sorry you are a flaming homosexual and have a hard on for me but i do not swing your way so please get over it. cmon... even fish eventually realize that wiggling worm is hiding a hook. stop taking the bait man... tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. .
From : tom lawrence
what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. could it be because youre the only one who lights off like a saturn v rocket every time he tweaks you .
From : roy
geekboy wrote the crap they put in my trans has no odor at all so i know its got to be cheap that came in a cheap drum. if your dodge is newer than 2000 then get that crap out quick! something like dextron merc etc. can cause major problems with your transmission. mopar atf+3 maybe ok but atf+4 is what is recommended. chrysler created atf+4 and were the only ones producing it until recently when they licensed others to produce it. look in your owners manual or on the dip stick. it probably says requires atf+4 might have the atf+4 designator #9602. actually it is a 2000 so i am good one that but i know that garbage they put in it is not doing the trans any good. so tomorrow i will drain it out and put the +4 in it and see how much better it will run. by the odor i think it previously had +3 in it. but it still got burned out with that in it and a cooler w/electric fan somehow. i hope this +4 will protect the transmisson better. thanks for the info. i thought you had a modified transmission with a bunch of dtt parts in it. if so you might want to talk to them before you put anything in it. actually you might want to talk to them anyway. heres their phone number 1-866-504-4002 .
From : miles
tbone wrote before you jump the gun make sure that atf +4 is even recommended for your trans. just because it has a higher number does not always make it backwards compatible with the ones preceding it. this fluid has specific lubrication flow and friction properties for the newer dc transmissions that might not be compatible or required for your trans and using it at best might be just wasting money and at worst could damage your trans. i would give the dealership a quick call and ask. atf+4 is fully compatible in dodges that require atf+3. it was specifically designed to meet all atf+3 specifications. theres only a couple dodge engines made after 1999 that do not use atf+3 and the trucks dont have them. but i do agree to double check the owners manual. .
From : geekboy
tbone wrote before you jump the gun make sure that atf +4 is even recommended for your trans. just because it has a higher number does not always make it backwards compatible with the ones preceding it. this fluid has specific lubrication flow and friction properties for the newer dc transmissions that might not be compatible or required for your trans and using it at best might be just wasting money and at worst could damage your trans. i would give the dealership a quick call and ask. atf+4 is fully compatible in dodges that require atf+3. it was specifically designed to meet all atf+3 specifications. theres only a couple dodge engines made after 1999 that do not use atf+3 and the trucks dont have them. but i do agree to double check the owners manual. the owners manual for 2000 indicates that atf+3 or dextron iii is suited to use. however seeing the result of what i think was dextron 3 or +3 in it i think i will put +4 in it. .
From : geekboy
geekboy wrote the crap they put in my trans has no odor at all so i know its got to be cheap that came in a cheap drum. if your dodge is newer than 2000 then get that crap out quick! something like dextron merc etc. can cause major problems with your transmission. mopar atf+3 maybe ok but atf+4 is what is recommended. chrysler created atf+4 and were the only ones producing it until recently when they licensed others to produce it. look in your owners manual or on the dip stick. it probably says requires atf+4 might have the atf+4 designator #9602. actually it is a 2000 so i am good one that but i know that garbage they put in it is not doing the trans any good. so tomorrow i will drain it out and put the +4 in it and see how much better it will run. by the odor i think it previously had +3 in it. but it still got burned out with that in it and a cooler w/electric fan somehow. i hope this +4 will protect the transmisson better. thanks for the info. i thought you had a modified transmission with a bunch of dtt parts in it. if so you might want to talk to them before you put anything in it. actually you might want to talk to them anyway. heres their phone number 1-866-504-4002 only a dtt torque coverter. the trans was modified by a shop but no other dtt part in it. .
From : azwiley1
on may 2 1045 pm beryl terra...@coolmail.com wrote tbone wrote before you jump the gun make sure that atf +4 is even recommended for your better wait for punkins opinion. and once again you useless piece of fucking troll shit all you want to do is stir shit. i am sorry you are a flaming homosexual and have a hard on for me but i do not swing your way so please get over it. .
From : tom lawrence
and once again you useless piece of fucking troll shit all you want to do is stir shit. i am sorry you are a flaming homosexual and have a hard on for me but i do not swing your way so please get over it. cmon... even fish eventually realize that wiggling worm is hiding a hook. stop taking the bait man... .
From : snoman
on 3 may 2007 102227 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. the only ones that attack me are the insecure ones like yourself that have ego issues. you guys are a dime a dozen and like a pack of wild dogs that attack those that do not share your point of view not because they are wrong. you do not know how to exist outside the pack. you guys thrive on this and feel intimidated by anyone that does not buy into your tripe. you are a legend in your own mind. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : roy
on 3 may 2007 102227 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. the only ones that attack me are the insecure ones like yourself that have ego issues. you guys are a dime a dozen and like a pack of wild dogs that attack those that do not share your point of view not because they are wrong. answer this just for the hell of it.. have you posted wrong info and failed to correct it when it has been pointed out to be totally wrong you do not know how to exist outside the pack. you guys thrive on this and feel intimidated by anyone that does not buy into your tripe. you are a legend in your own mind. answer this as well. have you recieved the same treatment at other groups that you recieve here if so care to suggest why now if you have the balls to answer these questions truthfully you will begin to get to the real reason why people at this and a bunch of other groups and forums as you put it attack you. .
From : Annonymous
on fri 4 may 2007 094103 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote on 3 may 2007 102227 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. the only ones that attack me are the insecure ones like yourself that have ego issues. you guys are a dime a dozen and like a pack of wild dogs that attack those that do not share your point of view not because they are wrong. answer this just for the hell of it.. have you posted wrong info and failed to correct it when it has been pointed out to be totally wrong you do not know how to exist outside the pack. you guys thrive on this and feel intimidated by anyone that does not buy into your tripe. you are a legend in your own mind. answer this as well. have you recieved the same treatment at other groups that you recieve here if so care to suggest why now if you have the balls to answer these questions truthfully you will begin to get to the real reason why people at this and a bunch of other group
From : azwiley1
on may 3 658 pm tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcie...@earthlink.net wrote what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. could it be because youre the only one who lights off like a saturn v rocket every time he tweaks you no! ^ .
From : azwiley1
on may 4 624 am snoman a...@snoman.com wrote on 3 may 2007 102227 -0700 azwiley1 azwil...@cox.net wrote tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. the only ones that attack me are the insecure ones like yourself that have ego issues. you guys are a dime a dozen and like a pack of wild dogs that attack those that do not share your point of view not because they are wrong. you do not know how to exist outside the pack. you guys thrive on this and feel intimidated by anyone that does not buy into your tripe. you are a legend in your own mind. ----------------- thesnoman.com dude i havent gone after you for months but if you would like i can start again. care to tell us all where the knock sensor is on the v-10 i dont have an ego issue as you say i mostly though not always stay with answering questions about areas that i know about as do most. it is people like you however that do not. example ill reference my posting in the chevy group about cats instead of answering it you proceeded to try to teach me about cats. not what i was looking for was it .
From : roy
on fri 4 may 2007 094103 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote on 3 may 2007 102227 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. the only ones that attack me are the insecure ones like yourself that have ego issues. you guys are a dime a dozen and like a pack of wild dogs that attack those that do not share your point of view not because they are wrong. answer this just for the hell of it.. have you posted wrong info and failed to correct it when it has been pointed out to be totally wrong you do not know how to exist outside the pack. you guys thrive on this and feel intimidated by anyone that does not buy into your tripe. you are a legend in your own mind. answer this as well. have you recieved the same treatment at other groups that you recieve here if so care to suggest why now if you have the balls to answer these questions truthfully you will begin to get to the real reason why people at this and a bunch of other groups and forums as you put it attack you. ohh. this should be good. nope it will be ignored.as you know that is his usual procedure. regards him having balls enough to answer the questions his balls are probably resting on guess whos chin .
From : tom lawrence
you are correct. the transfer case and trasmission section are almost mixed together. ah ok. yep - dex3 is fine in the transfer case no clutches. .
From : beryl
snoman admin@snoman.com wrote on fri 04 may 2007 093419 -0500 aarcuda69062 nonelson@sbcglobal.net wrote yet you have no problem slamming dodge for totally eliminating that which you hate. you -are- full of contradictions. no i am not your are! i like manually controlled transfer cases not servo controlled every late model dodge ram 4x4 ive seen has a transfer case shift lever. no servo. then i guess that you dont get out much. one or studiply designed 4x4 systems that have no abilty to disconnect front axle differentail like dodge to save a few buck making them and cost consumer a few thousands bucks in extra fuel costs over life of vehicle. axle disconnects are unreliable and can leave you stranded. really how they also leave the differential gears spinning inside the differential case causing wear. real lock out hubs might be a good compromise but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing. again how if shifting a tcase manually or maybe even having to engage hubs like i did for many years is too much for you then get a 2wd. ive never owned anything but manually shifted transfer cases. but that doesnt mean that they dont exist. my buddies ford has a switch on the dash and iirc tom l also has a switch for the 4wd on his dodge. given todays fuel market there is no logic excuse to not disconnect front differentail and drive shaft in 2wd. none! your -opinion-. i would say the opinion of many. it is strictly a profit thing and nothin more. another one of your opinions. then what is the real reason dodge could have had lockout hubs easily added to the new aam axle they started using in 2003 on hd pickups but it was cheaper to leave them off and use the bastard hub/bearing design that they use instead and let consumer pay for folly unknowingly. again opinion. and as for unknowingly you think its some deep dark secret it doesnt have to be a deap dark secret for people not to be aware of it. make no mistake it is costing you mpg and more than you think. its not costing me anything. i could always tell when my hubs or diff was not disconnected in 2wd because it did not roll/coast as well but on a dodge it is normal to have it drag all the time so you do not know any better other than wonder why your mpg sucks at times. funny my friend just returned from a trip to colorado in his 04 ram 2500 diesel pulling a trailer with 4 passengers he averaged 20 mpg not to mention 30 cents a gallon cheaper for diesel fuel vs. gasoline. same trip when he had a 2000 ram 2500 gas 5.9 hed get at best 11 mpg and be wheezing up the mountains... dont forget the 2000 had front axle disconnect. is this the best that you can do you are comparing apples to oranges here. at least if the two trucks had the same engine you could actually be making a point but here.... post something factual not your usual anti-dodge/diesel snobbery that is totally based on emotion instead of fact. what does this particular post have to do with diesels as for your thousands extra in fuel costs check what the going rate is to repair late model ford lock outs and get back to me okay what makes you think that they are going to fail how much is a replacement rear axle bearing for a late model dodge 2500 how much will it cost to repair / replace a transfer case and due to that cost should we all be driving 2wds -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : azwiley1
on may 4 1229 pm roy r...@fhome.net wrote on fri 4 may 2007 094103 -0400 roy r...@fhome.net wrote on 3 may 2007 102227 -0700 azwiley1 azwil...@cox.net wrote tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. the only ones that attack me are the insecure ones like yourself that have ego issues. you guys are a dime a dozen and like a pack of wild dogs that attack those that do not share your point of view not because they are wrong. answer this just for the hell of it.. have you posted wrong info and failed to correct it when it has been pointed out to be totally wrong you do not know how to exist outside the pack. you guys thrive on this and feel intimidated by anyone that does not buy into your tripe. you are a legend in your own mind. answer this as well. have you recieved the same treatment at other groups that you recieve here if so care to suggest why now if you have the balls to answer these questions truthfully you will begin to get to the real reason why people at this and a bunch of other groups and forums as you put it attack you. ohh. this should be good. nope it will be ignored.as you know that is his usual procedure. regards him having balls enough to answer the questions his balls are probably resting on guess whos chin- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - lol .
From : azwiley1
on may 3 506 pm ed h. edo.h...@verizon.net wrote why is it that some of the best people attract the most vitriolic hate from others i dont know. i agree with both tom and roy ignore this fool i finally learned to. maybe his pee-pee will return from its fully erect state of 3 long to its normal flaccid 0.5 length. however larry i would keep an eye on who is loitering around your domicile. it might be beryl looking for a quick roll. on may 3 915 am tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcie...@earthlink.net wrote and once again you useless piece of fucking troll shit all you want to do is stir shit. i am sorry you are a flaming homosexual and have a hard on for me but i do not swing your way so please get over it. cmon... even fish eventually realize that wiggling worm is hiding a hook. stop taking the bait man... tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. larry it has become evident to most that he brings nothing and is a troll. just ignore it.- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - well its funny that you mention that ed as there has been a strange looking and rather beat down looking car around my place for the last few weeks! .
From : beryl
roy wrote on 3 may 2007 102227 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote tom i am just sick of his shit. he wants to attack me because he is defending snoman yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons everyone has gone after snoman. would someone please translate that gibberish for me what is really ironic he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. thats not ironic. you dont know what ironic means do you the only ones that attack me are the insecure ones like yourself that have ego issues. you guys are a dime a dozen and like a pack of wild dogs that attack those that do not share your point of view not because they are wrong. answer this just for the hell of it.. have you posted wrong info and failed to correct it when it has been pointed out to be totally wrong *that* was ironic punkin what skippy just said in your defense. you do not know how to exist outside the pack. you guys thrive on this and feel intimidated by anyone that does not buy into your tripe. you are a legend in your own mind. answer this as well. have you recieved the same treatment at other groups that you recieve here if so care to suggest why now if you have the balls to answer these questions truthfully you will begin to get to the real reason why people at this and a bunch of other groups and forums as you put it attack you. -- make friends with a few animals. then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. - albert einstein .
From : beryl
ed h. frustrated nra propagandist why is it that some of the best people attract the most vitriolic hate from others i dont know. i agree with both tom and roy ignore this fool i finally learned to. i think you learned that you dont have anything to teach anyone about history language or the 2nd amendment. -- make friends with a few animals. then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. - albert einstein .
From : craig c
beryl wrote would someone please translate that gibberish for me sure. this should clear it up for you http//homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm *that* was ironic punkin what skippy just said in your defense. rump ranger an example of irony is pretending to be smarter than the rest of the group by correcting their grammar. yet you are unable to complete a grammatically correct sentence. i believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. ass. craig c. .
From : beryl
craig c. wrote beryl wrote i believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. i was aware that the sentence had a spoken quality as i wrote it. i like it that way. if i were a gambling man id bet that larry azwiley would prefer that you communicate that spoken quality verbally and in person. you could try getting along. then others besides yourself might like what you have to say. craig c. larry punkin likes the coddling he gets so i try to keep it coming. -- make friends with a few animals. then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. -- albert einstein .
From : craig c
beryl wrote larry punkin likes the coddling he gets so i try to keep it coming. you like coddling other men craig c. .
From : craig c
craig c. wrote beryl wrote would someone please translate that gibberish for me sure. this should clear it up for you http//homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm *that* was ironic punkin what skippy just said in your defense. rump ranger an example of irony is pretending to be smarter than the rest of the group by correcting their grammar. yet you are unable to complete a grammatically correct sentence. i believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. i was aware that the sentence had a spoken quality as i wrote it. i like it that way. ass. craig c. -- make friends with a few animals. then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. -- albert einstein .
From : ed h
thats ok beryl you dont know the difference between who and whom...so keep it converstational and step off your high horse. craig c. wrote beryl wrote would someone please translate that gibberish for me sure. this should clear it up for you http//homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm *that* was ironic punkin what skippy just said in your defense. rump ranger an example of irony is pretending to be smarter than the rest of the group by correcting their grammar. yet you are unable to complete a grammatically correct sentence. i believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. i was aware that the sentence had a spoken quality as i wrote it. i like it that way. ass. craig c. -- make friends with a few animals. then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. -- albert einstein .
From : Annonymous
on mon 07 may 2007 130558 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolbits.net wrote craig c. wrote beryl wrote would someone please translate that gibberish for me sure. this should clear it up for you http//homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm *that* was ironic punkin what skippy just said in your defense. rump ranger an example of irony is pretending to be smarter than the rest of the group by correcting their grammar. yet you are unable to complete a grammatically correct sentence. i believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. i was aware that the sentence had a spoken quality as i wrote it. i like it that way. hes trying to fit in with the group. he has no chance though. ass. craig c. .
From : Annonymous
on tue 08 may 2007 010438 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolbits.net wrote craig c. wrote beryl wrote i believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. i was aware that the sentence had a spoken quality as i wrote it. i like it that way. if i were a gambling man id bet that larry azwiley would prefer that you communicate that spoken quality verbally and in person. you could try getting along. then others besides yourself might like what you have to say. craig c. larry punkin likes the coddling he gets so i try to keep it coming. ah come one tell the truth. you got a crush on him. .
From : azwiley1
on may 8 104 am beryl terra...@coolbits.net wrote craig c. wrote beryl wrote i believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. i was aware that the sentence had a spoken quality as i wrote it. i like it that way. if i were a gambling man id bet that larry azwiley would prefer that you communicate that spoken quality verbally and in person. you could try getting along. then others besides yourself might like what you have to say. craig c. larry punkin likes the coddling he gets so i try to keep it coming. hey cock breath my name is larry or azwiley1 how about you at least be man enough to use one of them. .
From : napalmheart
beryl wrote larry punkin likes the coddling he gets so i try to keep it coming. you like coddling other men the only beryl that i personally know is a woman. ken craig c. .
From : beryl
napalmheart wrote beryl wrote larry punkin likes the coddling he gets so i try to keep it coming. you like coddling other men the only beryl that i personally know is a woman. i dont personally know any. theres this beryl http//www.beryldshannon.com/indexb.htm then theres the linux 3d desktop beryl http//www.beryl-project.org/ and then you got your mineral http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/beryl -- make friends with a few animals. then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. -- albert einstein .