What is the best V/8 ?

From : tom r

Q: im looking for a newer dakota i have a 96 w/318 now and i want to find a newer one with a v/8. i want all the power i can get do i want to get a 99 w/360 or a 2000 or later with the 4.7 i know the 4.7 is smaller but other than that which is the better engine thanks tom .

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From : tbone

tbone wrote hey .bob have you looked into ffrs kits and if so what do you think of them thats what im building now. i think its a great kit for just about everything except a high speed track car. and i mean high speed road tracks. lots of people use them for autocrossing drag racing and moderate circle tracks. reasonably priced easy to assemble lots of third party support. mines in paint shop purgatory right now but should be on the road soon. another month or two 427w roller cam 8 stack momar efi tremec tko 4.10 irs 2400# wet. engine should make around 500-550hp or so. desktop dyno says almost 600hp but i think thats a little generous. should a real rocket. www.ffcobra.com yea i am looking at the spyder gt. i really wish that they would update their web site since the information on it and the new vette car is old. i would like to make a somewhat daily driver out of it and was wondering if some type of window could be put in those doors. is that possible to do with your cobra -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : bob

tbone wrote tbone wrote hey .bob have you looked into ffrs kits and if so what do you think of them thats what im building now. i think its a great kit for just about everything except a high speed track car. and i mean high speed road tracks. lots of people use them for autocrossing drag racing and moderate circle tracks. reasonably priced easy to assemble lots of third party support. mines in paint shop purgatory right now but should be on the road soon. another month or two 427w roller cam 8 stack momar efi tremec tko 4.10 irs 2400# wet. engine should make around 500-550hp or so. desktop dyno says almost 600hp but i think thats a little generous. should a real rocket. www.ffcobra.com yea i am looking at the spyder gt. i really wish that they would update their web site since the information on it and the new vette car is old. i would like to make a somewhat daily driver out of it and was wondering if some type of window could be put in those doors. is that possible to do with your cobra yes sort of. the original design is a panel with a sliding window that attaches to the door and a folding soft top. remember that the cobra was a british sports car imported to the us and fitted with a ford v8. so the running gear tops etc are typical of a mid 60s british car. its fair not great. an aftermarket company is coming out with a better design which ffr may purchase and sell as their own a good idea. and theres another company that makes a hard top. unless youre hardy soul or live in a moderate climate a cobra doesnt make a very good daily driver. think of it almost as a 4 wheel motorcycle. some people do it but its the exception. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : redneck tookover hell

which is the better engine chevy 350 politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. .

From : rick blaine

i agree ive had several good 350s but it is hard to put one into a dakota. ive had 318s and 360s since the 60s but i know nothing about the 4.7. tom i was kidding really. id take a 360 over a 350 any day. as far as the dakota goes id get the 4.7. it has great potential and the aftermarket is starting to step up with parts for these engines. and if you have the coin you can always add a blower! but of course you can do that with almost any engine. .

From : tom r

thats what im thinking i dont tow much but i want the power when i feel like playing. the difference in gas mileage isnt really a problem i dont drive it that far. i now have a 96 with a 318 and am happy with it but im getting tired of shifting. the 360 with the auto should run at least as well as the 318 at least i would hope so. tom honestly if you want more pull or grunt i think you would be happier with the 360. the 4.7 should be easier on gas but wont have the oomph of the bigger engine. if you are going to tow much the 360 will do it with more ease. bill the link to the site you posted has a lot of interesting info thanks. im still leaning toward the 360 but i will take another look at the 4.7. tom check this site for info on the 4.7 http//www.dodgeram.org/tech/gas/cammer/47v8.html the bigger engines have more torque but the 4.7 looks like it should be a good engine too. sure hope so i have one in my 03 1500. ; i agree ive had several good 350s but it is hard to put one into a dakota. ive had 318s and 360s since the 60s but i know nothing about the 4.7. tom which is the better engine chevy 350 good one. nobodys gonna believe it though! .

From : tony thomas

if you definetly want the dakota - get the 360. however i would seriously consider a full size diesel. much better fuel mileage and lots more towing ability. -- tony my boats at http//t.thomas.home.mchsi.com im looking for a newer dakota i have a 96 w/318 now and i want to find a newer one with a v/8. i want all the power i can get do i want to get a 99 w/360 or a 2000 or later with the 4.7 i know the 4.7 is smaller but other than that which is the better engine thanks tom .

From : tom r

bill the link to the site you posted has a lot of interesting info thanks. im still leaning toward the 360 but i will take another look at the 4.7. tom check this site for info on the 4.7 http//www.dodgeram.org/tech/gas/cammer/47v8.html the bigger engines have more torque but the 4.7 looks like it should be a good engine too. sure hope so i have one in my 03 1500. ; i agree ive had several good 350s but it is hard to put one into a dakota. ive had 318s and 360s since the 60s but i know nothing about the 4.7. tom which is the better engine chevy 350 good one. nobodys gonna believe it though! .

From : bill hall

honestly if you want more pull or grunt i think you would be happier with the 360. the 4.7 should be easier on gas but wont have the oomph of the bigger engine. if you are going to tow much the 360 will do it with more ease. bill the link to the site you posted has a lot of interesting info thanks. im still leaning toward the 360 but i will take another look at the 4.7. tom check this site for info on the 4.7 http//www.dodgeram.org/tech/gas/cammer/47v8.html the bigger engines have more torque but the 4.7 looks like it should be a good engine too. sure hope so i have one in my 03 1500. ; i agree ive had several good 350s but it is hard to put one into a dakota. ive had 318s and 360s since the 60s but i know nothing about the 4.7. tom which is the better engine chevy 350 good one. nobodys gonna believe it though! .

From : joe

the 360s a torquemonseter and its a load of fun. but if you like your foot in it be prepared for an average of around 12mpg. but at least its regular... joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies tom r tom42344@snotmail.com wrote in thats what im thinking i dont tow much but i want the power when i feel like playing. the difference in gas mileage isnt really a problem i dont drive it that far. i now have a 96 with a 318 and am happy with it but im getting tired of shifting. the 360 with the auto should run at least as well as the 318 at least i would hope so. tom honestly if you want more pull or grunt i think you would be happier with the 360. the 4.7 should be easier on gas but wont have the oomph of the bigger engine. if you are going to tow much the 360 will do it with more ease. bill the link to the site you posted has a lot of interesting info thanks. im still leaning toward the 360 but i will take another look at the 4.7. tom check this site for info on the 4.7 http//www.dodgeram.org/tech/gas/cammer/47v8.html the bigger engines have more torque but the 4.7 looks like it should be a good engine too. sure hope so i have one in my 03 1500. ; i agree ive had several good 350s but it is hard to put one into a dakota. ive had 318s and 360s since the 60s but i know nothing about the 4.7. tom redneck tookover hell mopar440@aol.comnet.org wrote in which is the better engine chevy 350 good one. nobodys gonna believe it though! .

From : milesh

budd cochran wrote i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. thats true. but i do not understand why people think the only hemi is what was made decades ago. iows if you were to set out today and make a hemi what would it be like would you use 35 year old technology or modern technology .

From : jerry

redneck tookover hell wrote which is the better engine chevy 350 well ill be damn something we agree on........ jerry .

From : ninebal310

i have owned many a truck. i now own the dakota with the 4.7. i have never driven one with the 360. i did have a durango with the 360 tho. the durango sucked at towing gas milage and off the line and everything else. the dakota with the 4.7 seems to have a perfect power to weight ratio. mine is 2wd with automatic tranny. i tow a 6x12 enclosed trailer 1300 lb that carries my 98 goldwing 900 lb and some other stuff that totals approx. 2500 lb. i have made a few trips to fla from ohio and back. i mostly traveled about 75-80 with no problems. plenty of power to spare. hope this helps. hank .

From : roy

redneck tookover hell wrote which is the better engine chevy 350 well ill be damn something we agree on........ jerry i would think that anybody that has been around engines will agree. roy .

From : budd cochran

now roy dont go making assumptions like a few in here do. vbg popular hot rodding magazine circa 1985 iirc. i no longer have the article just when ford and chevy figure theyve divided up all the marbles a mopar will come along and put them both on the trailer. thats from a pro-gm magazine. who has the best engines whos been banned or factored out of competition the most who developed the first engines to be cloned why ma mopar of course!!! budd redneck tookover hell wrote which is the better engine chevy 350 well ill be damn something we agree on........ jerry i would think that anybody that has been around engines will agree. roy .

From : roy

now roy dont go making assumptions like a few in here do. vbg popular hot rodding magazine circa 1985 iirc. i no longer have the article just when ford and chevy figure theyve divided up all the marbles a mopar will come along and put them both on the trailer. thats from a pro-gm magazine. who has the best engines whos been banned or factored out of competition the most who developed the first engines to be cloned why ma mopar of course!!! i knew we would here from bind loyalty soongbfg werent they talking about the fastest i agree with ya budd! it was the real hemi!!! not the friggin knock off that is being marketed now. but having said that the small block chevy has been and continues to be the best. nice to see ya have the training wheels off the cushman.vbg roy budd redneck tookover hell wrote which is the better engine chevy 350 well ill be damn something we agree on........ jerry i would think that anybody that has been around engines will agree. roy .

From : mac davis

on tue 17 aug 2004 094535 -0700 tom r tom42344@snotmail.com wrote im looking for a newer dakota i have a 96 w/318 now and i want to find a newer one with a v/8. i want all the power i can get do i want to get a 99 w/360 or a 2000 or later with the 4.7 i know the 4.7 is smaller but other than that which is the better engine thanks tom we have a 2001 dakota club cab 2wd with 4.7 auto and 355 rear end... its a great engine for the dak... nice acceleration not too bad on gas runs very smooth etc... basically replaced the 5.2/318 with a 4.7/286 and ended up with about the same hp & torque with a bit better response and economy.. we have the 360 in a 99 ram qq 2wd auto 355 gears... we got this one to tow which in mho is what the 360 really shines at... not much more hp than the 318 or 4.7 but lots of torque.. downside of the 360 is the economy... sucks a lot of gas and if you dont need the torque i wouldnt get it.. i think the dak was available in the r/t package slightly detuned 360 until 2003 since the 360 has been replaced by the hemi and they wont put a hemi in a dak yet then that would be your cut off date if you wanted a 360.. mac .

From : rick blaine

which is the better engine chevy 350 good one. nobodys gonna believe it though! .

From : tom r

i agree ive had several good 350s but it is hard to put one into a dakota. ive had 318s and 360s since the 60s but i know nothing about the 4.7. tom which is the better engine chevy 350 good one. nobodys gonna believe it though! .

From : grumman581

rick blaine wrote ... good one. nobodys gonna believe it though! difficult to find another engine that has as many aftermarket mods available for it... .

From : bob

tom r wrote im looking for a newer dakota i have a 96 w/318 now and i want to find a newer one with a v/8. i want all the power i can get do i want to get a 99 w/360 or a 2000 or later with the 4.7 i know the 4.7 is smaller but other than that which is the better engine thanks tom thats a tough call and a question that will certainly create a lot of controversy. both make about the same peak hp. but the 360 has a broader/flatter torque curve which gives you more area under the curve. thats great for a truck that needs to do some real work. the 4.7 is a little peakier and you have to pay attention to the rpms to get best performance from it. thats why it has that goofy 5 speed auto. thats certainly ok for a street engine. plus the ohc rev a little quicker and the valve timing is a little more accurate especially after 50000 miles. i also think the ohc has better potential for performance work. i prefer the 5.9 ive driven both and they feel very differant. now stand back because its going to get hot in here. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : bill hall

check this site for info on the 4.7 http//www.dodgeram.org/tech/gas/cammer/47v8.html the bigger engines have more torque but the 4.7 looks like it should be a good engine too. sure hope so i have one in my 03 1500. ; i agree ive had several good 350s but it is hard to put one into a dakota. ive had 318s and 360s since the 60s but i know nothing about the 4.7. tom which is the better engine chevy 350 good one. nobodys gonna believe it though! .

From : roy

budd cochran wrote i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. well its closer to a real hemi than mopars pro stock engine. and its a damn good engine so what if they hype it up its not bullshit its a powerful engine. look at the new hemi 300 4100 lbs. and it does the quarter in 13.9 sec. that definitely compares favorably to a loaded b-body with the 426. 4100pounds is fairly heavy. where did you get the figures .

From : trey

jacob suter wrote rick blaine wrote budd cochran wrote i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. well its closer to a real hemi than mopars pro stock engine. and its a damn good engine so what if they hype it up its not bullshit its a powerful engine. look at the new hemi 300 4100 lbs. and it does the quarter in 13.9 sec. that definitely compares favorably to a loaded b-body with the 426. and then there is the g35 coupe designed by real engineers and not mexicans with a k-car based hurst and a big-ass gas guzzling v8.. it makes the quarter in abut a half a second better time than that hemi 300 and doesnt look like shit doing it. js but at least it doesnt feel like a flimsy piece of shit. the cut weight by replacing leather with cloth and metal with plastic. the the sheet metal is thinner as well as the glass. just look at the power windows. in a honda or nissan they are really slow. i get in a crown vic at work and the power windows are really quick. japs just put a smaller/cheaper motor in there with more gear reduction via plastic gears my friend blew out the speakers in his nissan in two months. my 99 dakota still has the oem speakers and they are still just fine. also you seen teh size of the batteries they are putting in those cars now my motorcycle has a bigger battery! im very curious to see how these new cars stand up to the test of time. will we see these cars being restored 30 years from now or will they just be scrapped .

From : budd cochran

i knew we would here from bind loyalty soongbfg lol now you know better than that. who was it that did not bash q-j carbs last year werent they talking about the fastest then that would be the jet engines on the sr-71 blackbird. i agree with ya budd! it was the real hemi!!! not the friggin knock off that is being marketed now. i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. but having said that the small block chevy has been and continues to be the best. wrong just the most common and the easiest to find parts for. nice to see ya have the training wheels off the cushman.vbg ill save them for your wheelchair when your ready for it. budd .

From : mac davis

on wed 18 aug 2004 130158 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote redneck tookover hell wrote which is the better engine chevy 350 well ill be damn something we agree on........ jerry i would think that anybody that has been around engines will agree. roy id rather find a high performance 327 bro... that was a fun engine... with a little work you could get 400 hp out of em with out spending a lot of bucks.. which we didnt have anyway mac .

From : roy

on wed 18 aug 2004 130158 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote redneck tookover hell wrote which is the better engine chevy 350 well ill be damn something we agree on........ jerry i would think that anybody that has been around engines will agree. roy id rather find a high performance 327 bro... that was a fun engine... with a little work you could get 400 hp out of em with out spending a lot of bucks.. which we didnt have anyway mac yup any of the chevy small blocks would respond real well to minimal tweaking. roy .

From : roy

i knew we would here from bind loyalty soongbfg lol now you know better than that. who was it that did not bash q-j carbs last year werent they talking about the fastest then that would be the jet engines on the sr-71 blackbird. v8 not a damn jet !! i agree with ya budd! it was the real hemi!!! not the friggin knock off that is being marketed now. i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. say marketing ploy. but having said that the small block chevy has been and continues to be the best. wrong just the most common and the easiest to find parts for. nice to see ya have the training wheels off the cushman.vbg ill save them for your wheelchair when your ready for it. wont need them i was wheel chair qualified after that camping trip in vn. roy budd .

From : roy

budd cochran wrote i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. thats true. but i do not understand why people think the only hemi is what was made decades ago. iows if you were to set out today and make a hemi what would it be like would you use 35 year old technology or modern technology miles the hemi of years ago was a ground pounding beast. thats why they use the funny car in the ad so that folks think that they are the same engine or are someway related. actually todays hemi is more like the toyota engine. the word hemi denotes a combustion chamber design nothing more. but with dc marketing people are duped into believing it is some sort of super truck with a go fast engine. id like a dime for every clown that has pulled up beside me in a truck with the hemi badge and wants to go stop light to stop light. they dont just get it. to answer your question give me the old hemi. roy .

From : rick blaine

budd cochran wrote i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. well its closer to a real hemi than mopars pro stock engine. and its a damn good engine so what if they hype it up its not bullshit its a powerful engine. look at the new hemi 300 4100 lbs. and it does the quarter in 13.9 sec. that definitely compares favorably to a loaded b-body with the 426. .

From : roy

budd cochran wrote i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. thats true. but i do not understand why people think the only hemi is what was made decades ago. iows if you were to set out today and make a hemi what would it be like would you use 35 year old technology or modern technology hey red!! please post the pic of a real hemi! roy .

From : milesh

jacob suter wrote it makes the quarter in abut a half a second better time than that hemi 300 and doesnt look like shit doing it. why do most people seem to place most emphasis on 1/4 mile times to rank performance most people do not buy cars to drag race. case in point. motor trend recently did a comparison between the 2004 durango hemi and nissans 2004 armada. the armada was faster in the 1/4 mile. however accelerating from 60 to 75mph+ the durango ran away from the armada. in towing comparisons once again the durango was able to out accelerate at highway speeds and out run the armada up highway grades. so which is better the faster 1/4 mile time armada guess it depends on if you bought the vehicle for racing or some other purpose. .

From : rick blaine

and then there is the g35 coupe designed by real engineers and not mexicans with a k-car based hurst and a big-ass gas guzzling v8.. k-car based you certainly are well informed. it makes the quarter in abut a half a second better time than that hemi 300 and doesnt look like shit doing it. js i was unaware that chysler was employing mexican engineers but so what if they are and no the g35 is not quicker than the 300c at least according to car and driver. and wouldnt it make more sense to compare it to the sedan rather than the coup by the way the g35 isnt exactley a fuel miser either. .

From : bob

tom r wrote tom r wrote im looking for a newer dakota i have a 96 w/318 now and i want to find a newer one with a v/8. i want all the power i can get do i want to get a 99 w/360 or a 2000 or later with the 4.7 i know the 4.7 is smaller but other than that which is the better engine thanks tom thats a tough call and a question that will certainly create a lot of controversy. both make about the same peak hp. but the 360 has a broader/flatter torque curve which gives you more area under the curve. thats great for a truck that needs to do some real work. the 4.7 is a little peakier and you have to pay attention to the rpms to get best performance from it. thats why it has that goofy 5 speed auto. thats certainly ok for a street engine. plus the ohc rev a little quicker and the valve timing is a little more accurate especially after 50000 miles. i also think the ohc has better potential for performance work. bob tell me more about the goofy 5 -speed auto have they had any problems with it thanks tom because the 4.7 has such a peaky power curve the engine didnt work real well with a standard 4 speed auto. so they built a 5 speed. the 5th gear is actually a second second gear if that makes any sense. which second gear is used depends on load throttle position etc. but it was an attempt to maintain good performance at the low end with relativly poor torque production of the 4.7. some folks vehemently claim that this 5 speed was produced because its a technological improvement. if that were true youde see it behind other engines as well. its not a bad part. its service record seems to be the same as other dc transmissions. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : roy

roy wrote to answer your question give me the old hemi. so youre not interested in dcs hemi 6.1l that will be out soon i agree that the word hemi is a marketing gimmick today. but the end result is a decent engine that puts out alot of power for its displacement. miles dc really turned me off when i was thinking about buying the srt10. of course id take a look at the 6.1 but they have to get there prices down to reality. hopefully they wont follow the price structure of the srt10. but you know that they will. this is the true definition of supply and demand. if people really want it and they are the only ones that can supply it.... that reasoning cost them me as a customer. they are not the only ones that can supply it. roy .

From : trey

milesh wrote tom r wrote thanks im almost tempted to wait and see if they put the hemi in the dakota next year that should make for a real fun machine. so far i have seen 3 engine choices for the 2005 dakota. the 3.7l 4.7l or the new ho 4.7l. hopefully theyll add the hemi to the list for 2006. thats what im hoping. not really a fan of the new body styyle though. i guess i will have to see it at the dealership first. if i like it i will get one if not i will hang on to my 99 dak until they change the design yet again. .

From : milesh

bob wrote because the 4.7 has such a peaky power curve the engine didnt work real well with a standard 4 speed auto. so they built a 5 speed. the 5th gear is actually a second second gear if that makes any sense. which second gear is used depends on load throttle position etc. but it was an attempt to maintain good performance at the low end with relativly poor torque production of the 4.7. some folks vehemently claim that this 5 speed was produced because its a technological improvement. if that were true youde see it behind other engines as well. its not a bad part. its service record seems to be the same as other dc transmissions. is this a different 5 speed than the one put behind the hemis actually from what i have read the transmission behind the hemi on my 2004 durango is a 6 speed. as you stated it has 2 different 2nd gears and as i have read one is used under accelleration and the other used when decellerating or when manually shifting to 2nd. so am i confused here is mine a 5 speed or a 6 speed and how reliable behind the hemi .

From : tbone

hey .bob have you looked into ffrs kits and if so what do you think of them -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tom r wrote thanks im almost tempted to wait and see if they put the hemi in the dakota next year that should make for a real fun machine. tom dont hold your breath. -- .bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : milesh

trey wrote thats what im hoping. not really a fan of the new body styyle though. i guess i will have to see it at the dealership first. if i like it i will get one if not i will hang on to my 99 dak until they change the design yet again. at first i didnt like the new look of the durangos. but they grew on me enough to buy one. drives far better than earlier durangos. much more capable for towing etc. just more stable. i prefer the front end look of my 01 ram to the newer rams and the durango and the dakota adopted the ram look. .

From : tbone

roy wrote to answer your question give me the old hemi. so youre not interested in dcs hemi 6.1l that will be out soon i agree that the word hemi is a marketing gimmick today. but the end result is a decent engine that puts out alot of power for its displacement. miles dc really turned me off when i was thinking about buying the srt10. of course id take a look at the 6.1 but they have to get there prices down to reality. hopefully they wont follow the price structure of the srt10. but you know that they will. this is the true definition of supply and demand. if people really want it and they are the only ones that can supply it.... that reasoning cost them me as a customer. they are not the only ones that can supply it. i know thats why they are also counting on product loyalty but with changing times that isnt what it used to be either. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

roy wrote to answer your question give me the old hemi. so youre not interested in dcs hemi 6.1l that will be out soon i agree that the word hemi is a marketing gimmick today. but the end result is a decent engine that puts out alot of power for its displacement. miles dc really turned me off when i was thinking about buying the srt10. of course id take a look at the 6.1 but they have to get there prices down to reality. hopefully they wont follow the price structure of the srt10. but you know that they will. this is the true definition of supply and demand. if people really want it and they are the only ones that can supply it.... that reasoning cost them me as a customer. they are not the only ones that can supply it. i know thats why they are also counting on product loyalty but with changing times that isnt what it used to be either. very true. people are tired of being screwed. dc took it to new heights with the srt10. .

From : bob

milesh wrote bob wrote because the 4.7 has such a peaky power curve the engine didnt work real well with a standard 4 speed auto. so they built a 5 speed. the 5th gear is actually a second second gear if that makes any sense. which second gear is used depends on load throttle position etc. but it was an attempt to maintain good performance at the low end with relativly poor torque production of the 4.7. some folks vehemently claim that this 5 speed was produced because its a technological improvement. if that were true youde see it behind other engines as well. its not a bad part. its service record seems to be the same as other dc transmissions. is this a different 5 speed than the one put behind the hemis actually from what i have read the transmission behind the hemi on my 2004 durango is a 6 speed. as you stated it has 2 different 2nd gears and as i have read one is used under accelleration and the other used when decellerating or when manually shifting to 2nd. so am i confused here is mine a 5 speed or a 6 speed and how reliable behind the hemi im not really sure what you have. i heard a rumor about the new hemi durangos having a 6 speed auto but i never looked in to it. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : bob

tbone wrote hey .bob have you looked into ffrs kits and if so what do you think of them thats what im building now. i think its a great kit for just about everything except a high speed track car. and i mean high speed road tracks. lots of people use them for autocrossing drag racing and moderate circle tracks. reasonably priced easy to assemble lots of third party support. mines in paint shop purgatory right now but should be on the road soon. another month or two 427w roller cam 8 stack momar efi tremec tko 4.10 irs 2400# wet. engine should make around 500-550hp or so. desktop dyno says almost 600hp but i think thats a little generous. should a real rocket. www.ffcobra.com -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : rick blaine

4100pounds is fairly heavy. where did you get the figures chrysler web site http//www.chrysler.com/ looked around and didnt see any performance figures. roy you have to click on 300 model then click specifications then it will ask you for a zip code dont ask me why then you can click capacities/weights. the actual figure given for the 300c is 4046 lbs. .

From : trey

bob wrote tbone wrote hey .bob have you looked into ffrs kits and if so what do you think of them thats what im building now. i think its a great kit for just about everything except a high speed track car. and i mean high speed road tracks. lots of people use them for autocrossing drag racing and moderate circle tracks. reasonably priced easy to assemble lots of third party support. mines in paint shop purgatory right now but should be on the road soon. another month or two 427w roller cam 8 stack momar efi tremec tko 4.10 irs 2400# wet. engine should make around 500-550hp or so. desktop dyno says almost 600hp but i think thats a little generous. should a real rocket. www.ffcobra.com wtf! how do you keep that thing in a straight line with that kind of power .

From : budd cochran

kin ah ggat ann ay- me-un frum da choir on dat brudder preacher roy dun spoke da hemi gospel according to kellogg. halleluiah!!! bro budd. budd cochran wrote i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. thats true. but i do not understand why people think the only hemi is what was made decades ago. iows if you were to set out today and make a hemi what would it be like would you use 35 year old technology or modern technology miles the hemi of years ago was a ground pounding beast. thats why they use the funny car in the ad so that folks think that they are the same engine or are someway related. actually todays hemi is more like the toyota engine. the word hemi denotes a combustion chamber design nothing more. but with dc marketing people are duped into believing it is some sort of super truck with a go fast engine. id like a dime for every clown that has pulled up beside me in a truck with the hemi badge and wants to go stop light to stop light. they dont just get it. to answer your question give me the old hemi. roy .

From : budd cochran

i knew we would here from bind loyalty soongbfg lol now you know better than that. who was it that did not bash q-j carbs last year werent they talking about the fastest then that would be the jet engines on the sr-71 blackbird. v8 not a damn jet !! next time be more specific ... now would that be single engiend or multi supercharged or na american or foreign vbg i agree with ya budd! it was the real hemi!!! not the friggin knock off that is being marketed now. i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. say marketing ploy. marketing ploy but that didnt change it .. your magic must be wearing out mr. wizard. but having said that the small block chevy has been and continues to be the best. wrong just the most common and the easiest to find parts for. nice to see ya have the training wheels off the cushman.vbg ill save them for your wheelchair when your ready for it. wont need them i was wheel chair qualified after that camping trip in vn. yeah but if you dont practice with your three-quarters-heimers youll ferget. budd .

From : tbone

roy wrote to answer your question give me the old hemi. so youre not interested in dcs hemi 6.1l that will be out soon i agree that the word hemi is a marketing gimmick today. but the end result is a decent engine that puts out alot of power for its displacement. miles dc really turned me off when i was thinking about buying the srt10. of course id take a look at the 6.1 but they have to get there prices down to reality. hopefully they wont follow the price structure of the srt10. but you know that they will. this is the true definition of supply and demand. if people really want it and they are the only ones that can supply it.... that reasoning cost them me as a customer. they are not the only ones that can supply it. i know thats why they are also counting on product loyalty but with changing times that isnt what it used to be either. very true. people are tired of being screwed. dc took it to new heights with the srt10. i guess that they dont want any easy way to that viper v10 engine. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

put a new alternator in and it didnt seem to fix the problem. i took it to a shop and that was just a screw job. they said i need to replace the alternator and the starter. i tried the whole removing of the battery cable and that killed the engine. ive heard that that trick doesnt work with the newer stuff but now im not sure. i just spent $200 on a alternator. can anyone help me i dont want to take it to another shop but i dont know what else to do. any info would be very helpful thanks nathan huber nathanhuber@pld.com . 222 287682 urtuc.323423$jr4.123379@attbis54 4100pounds is fairly heavy. where did you get the figures chrysler web site http//www.chrysler.com/ looked around and didnt see any performance figures. roy you have to click on 300 model then click specifications then it will ask you for a zip code dont ask me why then you can click capacities/weights. the actual figure given for the 300c is 4046 lbs. i saw the weight. what i didnt see is a 13.9 in the 1/4. .

From : roy

i knew we would here from bind loyalty soongbfg lol now you know better than that. who was it that did not bash q-j carbs last year werent they talking about the fastest then that would be the jet engines on the sr-71 blackbird. v8 not a damn jet !! next time be more specific ... now would that be single engiend or multi supercharged or na american or foreign vbg i agree with ya budd! it was the real hemi!!! not the friggin knock off that is being marketed now. i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. say marketing ploy. marketing ploy but that didnt change it .. your magic must be wearing out mr. wizard. they were counting on thatg but having said that the small block chevy has been and continues to be the best. wrong just the most common and the easiest to find parts for. nice to see ya have the training wheels off the cushman.vbg ill save them for your wheelchair when your ready for it. wont need them i was wheel chair qualified after that camping trip in vn. yeah but if you dont practice with your three-quarters-heimers youll ferget. never ferget. roy budd .

From : rick blaine

4100pounds is fairly heavy. where did you get the figures chrysler web site http//www.chrysler.com/ looked around and didnt see any performance figures. roy you have to click on 300 model then click specifications then it will ask you for a zip code dont ask me why then you can click capacities/weights. the actual figure given for the 300c is 4046 lbs. i saw the weight. what i didnt see is a 13.9 in the 1/4. and you wont. not on a corporate web site. i was reffering to the road test in car and driver and its not on line yet at least that i could find. youll have to go down to the corner drug store and check it out. .

From : bob

trey wrote bob wrote tbone wrote hey .bob have you looked into ffrs kits and if so what do you think of them thats what im building now. i think its a great kit for just about everything except a high speed track car. and i mean high speed road tracks. lots of people use them for autocrossing drag racing and moderate circle tracks. reasonably priced easy to assemble lots of third party support. mines in paint shop purgatory right now but should be on the road soon. another month or two 427w roller cam 8 stack momar efi tremec tko 4.10 irs 2400# wet. engine should make around 500-550hp or so. desktop dyno says almost 600hp but i think thats a little generous. should a real rocket. www.ffcobra.com wtf! how do you keep that thing in a straight line with that kind of power hang on and pray a lot. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : trey

but maybe you could explain for all of us just what these ceos do or do not do to earn these high salaries............i dont know do you you think lee iacocca earned the big bucks he made if you can explain it to me how they do not deserve what they make then maybe i can start screaming about their pay but until then ill just leave that to the resident troll. jerry . 222 287700 4kwuc.7404$ab1.5269@twister.socal.rr.com wtf! how do you keep that thing in a straight line with that kind of power hang on and pray a lot. cool sign me up!!!! - actually i was thinking it would be fun to build a factory five cobra with a small block 427 twin turbo. not sure how it would fit in that little car but wow it would be a rocket! .

From : budd cochran

i knew we would here from bind loyalty soongbfg lol now you know better than that. who was it that did not bash q-j carbs last year werent they talking about the fastest then that would be the jet engines on the sr-71 blackbird. v8 not a damn jet !! next time be more specific ... now would that be single engiend or multi supercharged or na american or foreign vbg i agree with ya budd! it was the real hemi!!! not the friggin knock off that is being marketed now. i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. say marketing ploy. marketing ploy but that didnt change it .. your magic must be wearing out mr. wizard. they were counting on thatg what your magic disappearing bg but having said that the small block chevy has been and continues to be the best. wrong just the most common and the easiest to find parts for. nice to see ya have the training wheels off the cushman.vbg ill save them for your wheelchair when your ready for it. wont need them i was wheel chair qualified after that camping trip in vn. yeah but if you dont practice with your three-quarters-heimers youll ferget. never ferget. yeah sure ... youll ferget what you forgot one of these days . . . budd .

From : bob

trey wrote wtf! how do you keep that thing in a straight line with that kind of power hang on and pray a lot. cool sign me up!!!! - actually i was thinking it would be fun to build a factory five cobra with a small block 427 twin turbo. not sure how it would fit in that little car but wow it would be a rocket! it would fit very easily. the windsor motor is a drop in no sweat. theres plenty of room between the front of the motor and the radiator for a turbo. getting the s/c look side pipes is pretty much a bolt on affair too. but if you wanted forced induction on a stroker youde have to start with an svo block. i dont think stock can handle it. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : roy

roy wrote miles dc really turned me off when i was thinking about buying the srt10. of course id take a look at the 6.1 but they have to get there prices down to reality. hopefully they wont follow the price structure of the srt10. i saw one of those srt10s in the showroom. $20000 base price plus $23000 in options. if people will pay it then the price wont come down. personally if i want a sports car ill buy a sports car and not a truck. they are 45k plus. i kinda wanted a little bit of both. wanted to be able to tow the atvs also wanted use it as a 1/2 ton truck and wanted some zap when empty. cant do that with the srt10 even at 45k. roy .

From : tbone

roy wrote to answer your question give me the old hemi. so youre not interested in dcs hemi 6.1l that will be out soon i agree that the word hemi is a marketing gimmick today. but the end result is a decent engine that puts out alot of power for its displacement. miles dc really turned me off when i was thinking about buying the srt10. of course id take a look at the 6.1 but they have to get there prices down to reality. hopefully they wont follow the price structure of the srt10. but you know that they will. this is the true definition of supply and demand. if people really want it and they are the only ones that can supply it.... -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : milesh

roy wrote to answer your question give me the old hemi. so youre not interested in dcs hemi 6.1l that will be out soon i agree that the word hemi is a marketing gimmick today. but the end result is a decent engine that puts out alot of power for its displacement. .

From : tbone

budd cochran wrote i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. well its closer to a real hemi than mopars pro stock engine. and its a damn good engine so what if they hype it up its not bullshit its a powerful engine. look at the new hemi 300 4100 lbs. and it does the quarter in 13.9 sec. that definitely compares favorably to a loaded b-body with the 426. and can do it at many times the mpg of the old beast. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

roy wrote to answer your question give me the old hemi. so youre not interested in dcs hemi 6.1l that will be out soon i agree that the word hemi is a marketing gimmick today. but the end result is a decent engine that puts out alot of power for its displacement. miles dc really turned me off when i was thinking about buying the srt10. of course id take a look at the 6.1 but they have to get there prices down to reality. hopefully they wont follow the price structure of the srt10. roy .

From : milesh

roy wrote miles dc really turned me off when i was thinking about buying the srt10. of course id take a look at the 6.1 but they have to get there prices down to reality. hopefully they wont follow the price structure of the srt10. i saw one of those srt10s in the showroom. $20000 base price plus $23000 in options. if people will pay it then the price wont come down. personally if i want a sports car ill buy a sports car and not a truck. .

From : jacob suter

rick blaine wrote budd cochran wrote i cant see how they can fill a quarter of the combustion chamber with metal casting and still call it a hemi. well its closer to a real hemi than mopars pro stock engine. and its a damn good engine so what if they hype it up its not bullshit its a powerful engine. look at the new hemi 300 4100 lbs. and it does the quarter in 13.9 sec. that definitely compares favorably to a loaded b-body with the 426. and then there is the g35 coupe designed by real engineers and not mexicans with a k-car based hurst and a big-ass gas guzzling v8.. it makes the quarter in abut a half a second better time than that hemi 300 and doesnt look like shit doing it. js .

From : john kunkel

which is the better engine chevy 350 i think he means quality not quantity. .

From : rick blaine

4100pounds is fairly heavy. where did you get the figures chrysler web site http//www.chrysler.com/ .

From : milesh

tom r wrote thanks im almost tempted to wait and see if they put the hemi in the dakota next year that should make for a real fun machine. so far i have seen 3 engine choices for the 2005 dakota. the 3.7l 4.7l or the new ho 4.7l. hopefully theyll add the hemi to the list for 2006. .

From : tom r

tom r wrote im looking for a newer dakota i have a 96 w/318 now and i want to find a newer one with a v/8. i want all the power i can get do i want to get a 99 w/360 or a 2000 or later with the 4.7 i know the 4.7 is smaller but other than that which is the better engine thanks tom thats a tough call and a question that will certainly create a lot of controversy. both make about the same peak hp. but the 360 has a broader/flatter torque curve which gives you more area under the curve. thats great for a truck that needs to do some real work. the 4.7 is a little peakier and you have to pay attention to the rpms to get best performance from it. thats why it has that goofy 5 speed auto. thats certainly ok for a street engine. plus the ohc rev a little quicker and the valve timing is a little more accurate especially after 50000 miles. i also think the ohc has better potential for performance work. i prefer the 5.9 ive driven both and they feel very differant. now stand back because its going to get hot in here. -- .bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 musta

From : roy

4100pounds is fairly heavy. where did you get the figures chrysler web site http//www.chrysler.com/ looked around and didnt see any performance figures. roy .

From : bob

tom r wrote thanks im almost tempted to wait and see if they put the hemi in the dakota next year that should make for a real fun machine. tom dont hold your breath. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : tom r

1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project bob tell me more about the goofy 5 -speed auto have they had any problems with it thanks tom . 222 287637 10i7a0imn1carf8@corp.super.com thanks im almost tempted to wait and see if they put the hemi in the dakota next year that should make for a real fun machine. tom on tue 17 aug 2004 094535 -0700 tom r tom42344@snotmail.com wrote im looking for a newer dakota i have a 96 w/318 now and i want to find a newer one with a v/8. i want all the power i can get do i want to get a 99 w/360 or a 2000 or later with the 4.7 i know the 4.7 is smaller but other than that which is the better engine thanks tom we have a 2001 dakota club cab 2wd with 4.7 auto and 355 rear end... its a great engine for the dak... nice acceleration not too bad on gas runs very smooth etc... basically replaced the 5.2/318 with a 4.7/286 and ended up with about the same hp & torque with a bit better response and economy.. we have the 360 in a 99 ram qq 2wd auto 355 gears... we got this one to tow which in mho is what the 360 really shines at... not much more hp than the 318 or 4.7 but lots of torque.. downside of the 360 is the economy... sucks a lot of gas and if you dont need the torque i wouldnt get it.. i think the dak was available in the r/t package slightly detuned 360 until 2003 since the 360 has been replaced by the hemi and they wont put a hemi in a dak yet then that would be your cut off date if you wanted a 360.. mac .

From : rick blaine

i saw the weight. what i didnt see is a 13.9 in the 1/4. did a little searching found this http//www.roadandtrack.com/article.aspprintpage=y&sectionid=3&articleid=1295&pagenumber=1&preview= they clocked it at 14.1 sec. .

From : trey

bob wrote trey wrote wtf! how do you keep that thing in a straight line with that kind of power hang on and pray a lot. cool sign me up!!!! - actually i was thinking it would be fun to build a factory five cobra with a small block 427 twin turbo. not sure how it would fit in that little car but wow it would be a rocket! it would fit very easily. the windsor motor is a drop in no sweat. theres plenty of room between the front of the motor and the radiator for a turbo. getting the s/c look side pipes is pretty much a bolt on affair too. but if you wanted forced induction on a stroker youde have to start with an svo block. i dont think stock can handle it. a stock block can take a few pounds of boost but if you want to do it right its best to start with a race block. .

From : krbjmpr

i have a 4.7 in my 01 dak qc4x4 it is a very good engine the new models though offer a 4.7l ho which power to weight ratio is as good as a hemi 5.7 .