What Motivates Liberal Dumocrats?

From : john z kerry

Q: greg surratt wrote on wed 13 oct 2004 043405 gmt nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote partsmore wrote powerwagon 33 tires f & r lockers winch front 4.56 hd suspension pictures at http//www.dodgeboy.net//powerwagon/index.htm sorry it looks like a dodge ram with a different nameplate on the side from my screen. course i cant see the f & r lockers or the axle ratio or the hd suspension but wheres the 33 tires and winch the 33 tires are located at the bottom of the truck. they are the black round things touching the ground. the winch is mounted behind the front bumper. its the thing with the cable spooled on a drum. ;^ check out this picture. http//www.dodgeboy.net//powerwagon/images/791425t2005101jpg.jpg technical specifications can also be found at http//www.allpar.com/model/ram/power-wagon.html . .

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From : tbone

oh please tbone. youre views on voting are exactly what this country doesnt need. tbone wrote really miles how exactly .

From : john z kerry

on mon 18 oct 2004 161156 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote and btw what i said was and is correct. bush is the incumbent and any vote not for his direct opposition equates to a vote for him. that is such bullshit tom. utter bullshit. if kerry can not get someone to vote for him then it is kerrys fault. its just like you whiners who said that it was naders fault that gore lost the last election. if a voter in america likes nader and thinks he is the best candidate that who they should have voted for. shame of gore for not being able to attract that voter to his platform. in america we get to vote for whom we want. that is what brings all the comments on liberals that you have seen here tom. buck up grow a pair. take a little responsibility. if kerry loses the election because you whiners think that third party voters would have voted for kerry if you could have taken their right away from them to vote for who they want to then it is kerrys fault. plain and simple. kerry has to get the support of those voters. just accept a little responsibility instead of blaming everyone else. either kerry wins or bush wins. they both know the rules. they both have the same chance. winners accept responsibility tom and then correct the problems. losers just fix blame and dont fix any problems. that is why the demos have d

From : john z kerry

having said that i will support the winner. if kerry wins ill support him as our president. you have never done that with bush. for you liberals its not about the country its all about you. . 222 292020 df38n05gjcjr71e7qc42k90k4fto3tpouj@4ax.com on 18 oct 2004 080549 -0700 randolfscott@hotmail.com stuart wrote the next feature that catches my eye is a drop forged crankshaft with screwed-on counterweights. ill take my crankshafts in one piece thanks. i prefer the counterweights be permanently affixed not screwed on. great...im happy for you. i dont have a preference. hey max maybe they are screwed on so you can adjust for the harmonic vibrations ;- so lets look at the power ratings. youve been extolling the virtues of the 4cylinder so lets look at it first. its rated at 125kw or 169 hp. not bad but not even the equal of my 24v at equipped cummins which weighs in a 160kw or 215hp. its torque is a bit peaky coming in at 457ftlbs but only at 1400-1600rpm. since cruising rpm in the ram is 1800-2000rpm its worth noting that the deutz drops to 350ftlbs by 2400rpm where the cummins is a broad flat curve at 420ftlbs all the way across making power application for towing much more stable and smooth. so your arguement is that 169hp is not enough hmmm...wonder why the first cummins engines that appeared in dodge pickups were only rated at 160hp and 400 foot pounds of torque...would seem the deutz four banger has an edge of 9hp and 57 found pounds of torque no the drop of torque and limiting rpm compared to a 24v doesnt bother me cause i never said i was comparing a 24v now did i i dont own a 24v it was always a discussion on matching like performance and saving fuel. but max and i do have 24v engines. why would we want to step backwards to something that compares with the technology and power output of the 1980s now back to the fuel consumption deal. you are saying youd like to have the four banger since it would have great mpg figures. funny then to see the ratings between the deutz 2013 4cyl and 6cyl versions. the 4 popper uses 198 gallons per kwh while its big sister with two more cylinders burns fuel at 195 gallons per kwh. iow i was correct the 6 cylinder is more efficient. only if you require the amount of energy the six generates. i dont. dont make me do the math that i think you can do yourself. if i only need the power that the four creates i think id be well served. im not looking for a surplus of power...just what is required. and youll be kicking yourself in the a$$ for lack of power the first time you need to use that 2500 for something more than to run to the 7-11 for a loaf of bread. i have read the specs from the manufacturers. 198 g/kwh is very specific. terrific. and the six burns less at 195 g/kwh. so despite the fact that you wont take my word the website you quote from which has your choice of engine on it claims the same thing i do. an inline six of the same design as an inline four will burn less fuel and do more work. damn how did that happen oh yeah its those parasitic internal losses you claimed i knew nothing about and had never considered. what are you argueing about the six burns less ummm...yeah but that isnt the only variable to be argued. your almost ignoring the premise of the formula g/kwh. its a measure of fuel consumption energy output and time. you are crazy...you are argueing in circles. i think you are ignoring the premise of fuel usage vs application. to me g/kwh only has meaning for a generator set operating at a given load over a period of time. as soon as you stick that engine in something with a tranny and wheels mpg becomes the ruling factor. .

From : budd cochran

but even at that he fails. poor t-bone he keeps running out of material and has to call up his leftist labor union for more material. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : miles

add a little bacardi sp 151 and voila! chopped t-bone flamb! -- budd on sun 17 oct 2004 234617 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. stir more like trying to put him through a blender. beekeep .

From : john kunkel

john kunkel wrote guys like you use the terms terrorist and insurgent interchangeably. ya and russia learned the hard way about some of the differences. russia did what all the dang liberals here whine about. get lots of world support in fighting terrorism. to do so they had to agree not to call resistance fighters or insurgents as terrorists. then several 100 kids were killed by these resistance fighters and insurgents. putin then stated publicly that russia has the right to attack anyone anywhere at any time regardless of world support or opinion. sound familiar how totally unbelieveably naive no wonder you swallow bushs bullshit. there are very likely as many or more terrorists right here in the usa just because theyre not openly aggressive doesnt mean they aint here. denial the foundation of bushism. ya and as kerry noted prior to 9/11 al queda and other terrorist groups are in over 60 countries including the usa but for some reason not in iraq. theyre killing insurgents and are being killed themselves for nothing. see above for your absurd definition of terrorist insurgent or resistance fighters. .

From : budd cochran

he was hebrew a separate lineage of the semites. semites are made of the descendants of ishmael arabic peoples and isaac hebrews both traceable back to abraham. he was not a person of any other race. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. budd cochran wrote jesus was a hebrew not black white asian or any other race he was pure hebrew. marys lineage was traced back to abraham thru david all hebrew. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. john z kerry wrote actually all christians are redeemed jews. jesus was sent to redeem the jews not found a separate religion. jam geeeze! thats to me. not arguing this one with you although i dont agree. at least i see you are somewhat interested in theology and things spiritual. separate religion i dont think so but i am not qualified to dispute it. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses btw jesus was a man of color. he probably resembled the people of the middle east more than the white european he has been represented as to us. jam actually he was a semite. jam .

From : budd cochran

but even at that he fails. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on sun 17 oct 2004 234617 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. stir more like trying to put him through a blender. beekeep . 222 291982 v1pcd.17$zw5.3@01.roc.ny the old testament prophesies point to two appearances of the same savior the spiritual salvation and the destroyer of satan / ant-christ . . . the first and second comings of the christ. the israelites confused the second with the first and didnt recognize jesus as the spiritual savior of all mankind. -- budd budd cochran wrote really from what scripture do you base that claim -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. budd cochran wrote how is it different from any other capital punishment which is what it was meant to be used for . . . oh wait if the murder killed your family member it might be a different thing al together right just like bush you sidestep issues. if thou shalt not kill is a commandment how can any form of killing be condoned state sanctioned or not so just lay down and let whatever terrorist group invading nation or dictator just walk rough shod over you your family and all youve earned. if they kill you or you family oh well. . . first you need to study jewish history. they were a group that killed among themselves for silly reasons like who owned which goat. nowhere in the o.t. does god forbid fighting in a war in fact he stopped the sun to give the israelites the victory according to the bible. in another instance he sent his angels down to fight with gideon. does that sound like he condemns killing in wartime as i told you the commandment was directed to the hebrews for their daily lives. just like the many who quote leviticus to condemn homosexuality which is described as an abomination but ignore the verses in leviticus that forbid the consumption of shellfish also described as an abomination. and you need to learn the difference between the two. one is to insure the continuance of the hebrews as a ethnic group and the other is to prevent red tide poisonings a health problem common in that area about 5k years ago. two entirely different reasons for the use of the word. btw which version are you taking this stuff from the king james version is considered by most biblical scholars to be the most accurate. contradiction and inconsistency are a poor basis for belief. lack of understanding of what the bible really says is no basis to condemn it not to mention an apples and oranges comparision by you between sexual and health matters. and you continue to demonstrate your own small mindedness. budd actually all christians are redeemed jews. jesus was sent to redeem the jews not found a separate religion. jam the old testament. i dont know the exact quote but wasnt in prophesied that a savior would be sent to redeem the jews a messiah. jam .

From : jerry

sure but the right will never admit to that one. go practice your stand up comedy routine t-bone. john z kerry .

From : john z kerry

excellent. jam and tom have agreed to agree. just excellent. im glad that we have that settled. jam and t-bone are already scheduled to do a duet stand up comedy routine at a kerry fund raiser. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote im not a liberal im somewhere in the middle. only someone on the extreme right would see me as a liberal. what i said were my own words. jam i am not going to quibble further with you over positions in the political spectrum. you can and will believe what you want. save for this. pat buchanan is the true extreme right and i dont agree with much if not most of what he professes. otoh todays democrat party has moved so far to the left that anyone to the right of them they call an extremist. i mean hey who can you name who is further to the left than todays democrat party komrad kerry is even further to the left than ted kennedy. otoh todays republican party includes people like arnold schwartznegger john mccain and rudy guilliannesp. who is your equivalent of them in the democratic party today none! your whole party sits so far on the extreme left of the political spectrum that people like zell miller and other moderate democrats like him are disgusted. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i think that the socialist workers and the communist party are somewhat left of the democrats. the only thing further right than the so called conservative republicans may be the nazi party. im actually registered as an independent. i consider the two party system to be an abomination. jam oh my what a convuluted view of the world you have! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : jerry

john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote oh please save me some time. just reread your own posts. i just referred j.a.m. to his recent post about fundamentalist religious zealots a favorite liberal catch phrase for anyone who attends church and/or believes in god. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses once again you have made a lame attempt to put words in my mouth. i never said anything even remotely like that. i guess i should expect this from someone like you. attending church and/or believing in god does not make someone a fundamentalist religious zealot. attempting to force their beliefs on someone or some government does. jam btw i was raised a christian. i did thats to me. what i should expect from you is some specifics when you make these broad & sweeping accusations like religious zealots. am i safe in assuming you are a nonzealot christian i am not saying you are not a christian but most christians i know are proud to capitalize the word christian. so again who are these christian fundamentalist zealots baptists jews lutherans episcopalians assembly of god who john z kerry president t-bone steak houses reread my previous post the answers you seek are there. jam you are getting lazy. john z kerry .

From : john z kerry

sure but the right will never admit to that one. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving john z kerry wrote lol complete bs. the sexual orientation of cheneys daughter is public knowledge and mentioning it is far from an attack. you are really reaching now red. btw it did bring to mind the fact that during the vp debate when edwards blasted the president for trying to make this a constitutional amendment cheney didnt defend him on it. public knowledge yes. however until kerrys attack neither candidate had dragged the others family members into the fray. kerry was the first to drag in derogatory information about a member of his opponents family. this speaks volumes about kerrys character as if we didnt know already. the intent of kerrys attack was to shave off support in bushs base. if you were familiar with the issues and debating tactics you would understand why cheney chose not to respond to edwardss remarks about the constitutional amendment. it would be a waste of value rebuttal time since nationwide polls continually show very strong about 78% support across the nation for a constitutional amendment to protect marriage and prevent liberal activist judges from legislating from the bench by making gay marriage legal. what union are you a member of t-bone most of your rants closely resemble the standard leftist labor union propaganda. a government employee union perhaps makes me think of nteu national treasury employees union. what a bunch of communist corrupt thugs that group is! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i think the first attack on either family was on kerry and his wife claiming that they were connected to the heinz company and were sending jobs overseas. jam .

From : john z kerry

yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwn. most common sound heard during a kerry speech john z kerry .

From : john z kerry

steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote hey steve i think jam is starting to like you. watch out! john z kerry .

From : john z kerry

i guess you missed the reports about us soldiers refusing to go on a suicide mission jam a severely distorted story reported by the media arm of the democrat pary. the grunts in question are back on full duty something you will not see the leftist media report. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

i guess you think that equal rights and the end of government sanctioned racism is liberal extremism. moderate democrats they were raciest scum. jam you didnt read or understand a thing i said. you must have add as you mentioned. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

miles wrote the sneed wrote with all due respect steve you could buy an assault rifle even with the ban in effect. so few that rant about the assault rifle ban not being renewed have never read the actual bill. they hear just that one title line and make baseless assumptions. that ban did very very little. most items in that ban are outlawed through other measures passed earlier. the so called assault rifle ban was passed by legislators as a symbolic gesture that they are doing something towards controlling gun problems. yes the so called ban on assault weapons actually banned semiautomatic replicas of assault weapons. jam .

From : john z kerry

john kunkel wrote got a source for that claim it was enacted during bushs reign. enacted yes written during hardly. the content of the patriot act was largly written years before bush. if you read the pa you will see much of it taken from older acts such as the 1978 foreign intelligence surveillance act 1996 antiterrorism act even going as far back as 1798s sedition act. the 1996 antiterrorism act was ridiculed by both parties as being ineffective and many changes were debated for creation of a new act long before bush took office. simply put the pa was not a brand new start from scratch act entirly written after bush took office. the basis and content had been discussed for years. how about ashcrofts continuing campaign against pornography those most often behind attempts at censorship of any sexually explicit material are conservatives. hardly. i cant speak for where you live but here in az it is the liberals who want to shut down or at least limit the abilities of the sex shops here. heck our dem. gov. ordered police to raid several shops and threatened to close them down. i dont see how you can perceive liberals as a threat to personal freedoms the majority of the civil liberties you enjoy today were brought about by the liberal court. oh man too funny. it is the liberals who threaten to sue me for every civil liberty i wish to enjoy. there is nothing out of their reach. it is the liberal lawyers who threaten not protect our freedoms. .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote you got that right. ever hear of a book written about the dumocrat party by a democrat u.s. senator by the name of zell miller i know you liberals are in denial when it comes to his book so heres the title to refresh your memory a national party no more the conscience of a conservative democrat written by u.s. senator zell miller d-ga. big deal a conservative democrat; heres a conservative supporting kerry rotflmao! boy you had to dig deep to find that and the guy is a career bureaucrat an employee held over from a democrat administration! conservative in name only to make himself appear as something he is not. errrrrr last time i checked zell miller is an elected official a u.s. senator as well as a life long democrat. he refuses to change parties even now. from what i know zell miller is second in popularity in his home state of georgia only to bush. did you catch millers speech at the republican convention the line about spitballs will go down in political history!!!!!! get em zell! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses yep full of meaningless wise cracks. jam .

From : j a m

steve@carolinabreezehvac wrote steve@carolinabreezehvac wrote john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote here is a classic example of the liberal myth. that all or even most businesses are corrupt and greedy. if liberals had their way then corporations would be reduced to miniscule profits and the incentive to achieve and grow would be minimized. there is some truth to the greed and corruption issue but what liberals want has great negative impact on far more than just the few corrupt corporations. very simply put liberals are all for having an intrusive big all-knowing all-protective bureaucratic federal government control all facets of our lives. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses jeewiz that sounds just like the way we are living now under the current administration. jam give an example. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses lets see we have american citizens imprisoned with out charges being filled name the person place and reason for original arrest... no legal representation and being held in isolation. we have tortured and abused prisoners. be sure to tell the families of these men that you have a problem with a possible terrorist wearing a dog collar.. http//www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/pictures033104.html you think that ww2 was all fun and games too we have passed a law allowing the fbi to snoop into what books we read. like they didnt know if they wanted to before. we have oil companies and defense contractors telling our government what to do. the current administration has mounted the most far reaching attack on our personal freedoms in history. you can buy an assalt rifle now....is that a step back or forward twice now in my life time we have pulled our nation out of a military based economy and now bush has dragged us right back into another military based economy. is there something else for this country to be proud of besides our ability to kill our fellow man ask those nuts that flew the planes into the towers....oh..thats right...you cant....they died before everyone else. jam i wonder why we have never seen pictures of the burnt dead bodies of the over 13000 innocent iraqis we have killed can you prove they were innocent can you prove your numbers removing those that actually were not innocent hey....how many innocents were actually in the towers that morning think you can be on the next flight to bahgdad jam lets see 13000 for 3000 isnt that enough to satisfy you vengeance jam .

From : theguy

john z kerry wrote your ignorance and inability to have a discussion without turing to insults has exposed you ignorance to all. good work! jam btw im 50 50 now were getting somewhere assuming that is your truthful age we can rule out your being a college kid. so are you one of the professors who feed our kids the far left party line your written expression is not bad but it does not seem to be that of one holding advanced degrees. so what are you you are too young to be an old hippie from the 60s and in fact if you served in nam or during nam you must have been in when the war was essentially over. were you under all vol military service or were you drafted john z kerry president t-bone steak houses gee so many personal questions and half ass assumptions are you going to ask me for a date next jam .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote you couldnt hold up you end of an intelligent discussion if it had handles. lies wise cracks and insults is that all you have to offer george bush is one of those yellow belly viet nam era draft dodgers however his father had enough money and influence so that he didnt have to leave the country. john kerry volunteered to serve his country during the vietnam war and so did i. bush was a draft dogging party boy while kerry put his life on the line for his country. who do you think is more qualified to lead our country in war jam oh puleeeeeeeeeze. if you are going to bring up the national guard stuff again take it up with cbs and dan rather. btw are you saying national guard service is not military service. i think you had better inform all our men & women from the national guard units who are serving presently in iraq that they are not performing military service. four months service in viet nam as a junior officer does not qualify one to be cinc. so

From : j a m

the nam era or were you actually in country i was marine recon enlisted phu bai 1968-70. where were you what service and unit when john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the you must have first had experience of what it is like to be mislead by a bunch of self-serving politicians. i was very fortunate not to have been stationed in vietnam during my service. however that does not negate the fact that i volunteered for service. dan rather apologized for his mistakes. when will bush apologize for his jam lyndon johnson was cinc and vastly expanded the war by asking for a blank check from congress. it was called the tonkin gulf resolution. johnson was a democrat. i am glad to hear you volunteered for military service. that is a plus. we needed guys in support billets back home. as far as apologies jane fonda apologized. when is kerry going to apologize be sure to watch stolen honor to be aired next week on sinclair broadcasting tv stations. it is the story of kerrys treachery and traitorous behavior after he returned home from his four months of service in viet nam. the story is told by former american pows who suffered at the hands of their no. vietnamese captors as a result of kerrys anti-war broadcasts. like i said jane fonda apologized for her treason. when will kerry apologize for his treason john z kerry president t-bone steak houses lyndon johnson george bush was cinc and vastly expanded the war by asking for a blank check from congress. it was called the tonkin gulf resolution. wmds connection to al qaeda johnson was a democrat. bush is a republican. the justification for the tonkin gulf resolution was a pack of lies. its depressingly similar to the mess we have today. the vietnam war cost johnson a second term as president. we can only hope and vote that george bushs war will cost him a second term. ive already seen stolen honor the nra has been broadcasting that pack of lies for some time now. the people who produced it have already been discredited. we didnt loose the vietnam war because of jane fonda or john kerry. we lost it because we had no plan to win no moral justification for being there and the local population did not want us there. depressingly similar jam . 222 291912 o786n0toaeem74echef5h977g7533fvgtq@4ax.com on mon 18 oct 2004 013029 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote tbone wrote by outside the law i dont mean against the law. by definition outlaws are outside the law and as everyone knows outlaws are against the law. therefore to be outside the law is to be against it. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying there can be no deception without lies or lying. deception itself is a form of lying. while deception is a form of lying it is not outright lying itself and no actual lies are needed to deceive someone. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving we can agree to agree on that point. jam excellent. jam and tom have agreed to agree. just excellent. im glad that we have that settled. .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote this one group has hijacked the republican party and turned it 180 degrees from what it once was. how can you contract someone that cynically holds a bible in one hand a gun in the other and wraps himself in the flag of the united states jam one group so called conservative republicans here we go again with broad & sweeping statements. nevermind just enlighten us as to what the republican party used to be dont you remember abraham lincoln herbert hoover dwight eisenhower gerald ford the republican party use to be the party of moderation now it has become the party of intolerance. the republican party couldnt buy a vote in the south because it was the party of abraham lincoln. some of the worst raciest in our government were democrats. that all changed with lyndon johnson and the civil rights legislation he championed. after that the democrat party lost the support of the south and the republican party moved in to scoop up the disenfranchised intolerant former democrats. jam ill admit that is some very interesting political theory you got there but i think you are all wet. moreover you are starting to sound like either a college kid who has been fed all that liberal crap from his professors or you are one those professors feeding politically correct crap to the kids which they must pretend to buy or get a flunking grade. actually lyndon johnson is the accepted turning point when control of the democrat party was seized by the far left. your party is so far to the left now that even moderate republicans look like far out conservatives. an example of a real far right guy is pat buchanan and you see they dont allow him to run for anything. read up on senator richard russell democrat senator from georgia. he was a close friend of lyndon johnsons and warned him that johnson was giving in to the extreme left elements in the party and that it would cost them the loss of moderate democrats. senator zell miller is the living proof of russells prophesy. if you know anything at all about zell miller he is far from being a racist. just one example he proposed the removal of the stars & bars from the georgia state flag. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i guess you think that equal rights and the end of government sanctioned racism is liberal extremism. moderate democrats they were raciest scum. jam .

From : j a m

do you see a pattern here republicans * dick cheney did not serve. several deferments the last by marriage. * dennis hastert did not serve. * tom delay did not serve. * roy blunt did not serve. * bill frist did not serve. * mitch mcconnell did not serve. * rick santorum did not serve. * trent lott did not serve. * john ashcroft did not serve. seven deferments to teach business. * jeb bush did not serve. * karl rove did not serve. * saxby chambliss did not serve. bad knee. the man who attacked max clelands patriotism. * paul wolfowitz did not serve. * vin weber did not serve. * richard perle did not serve. * douglas feith did not serve. * eliot abrams did not serve. * richard shelby did not serve. * jon! kyl did not serve. * tim hutchison did not serve. * christopher cox did not serve. * newt gingrich did not serve. * don rumsfeld served in navy 1954-57 as flight instructor. * ronald reagan due to poor eyesight served in a non-combat role making movies. * b-1 bob dornan consciously enlisted after fighting was over in korea. * phil gramm did not serve. * john mccain silver star bronze star legion of merit purple heart and distinguished flying cross. * dana rohrabacher did not serve. * john m. mchugh

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote on sat 16 oct 2004 202913 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote if the us was a country of individuals all saying i me me mine it wouldnt be a country at all it would be chaos. jam to repeat an oft asked question. does anybody know what j.a.m. is talking about john z kerry president t-bone steak houses anyone without a severe case of aad does. jam i dont. jam you are mistaking being able to read and comprehend with being able to understand. i can read what you say but to understand it would take a mind of your own level and i graduated junior high a long time ago so i am just a long way ahead of you. that i am confident is a problem that you face quite often so you should be aware of this whole arena. if i am wrong and you are actually an adult i apologize. not to you but to the world. you would then be an example of america having an educational system in a very sorry state. he claims to have been in uniform during the viet nam war. however he has not stated yet whether he actually served in country nor has he given any details of his military service other than viet nam was another unjust and immoral war. as you know if he did in fact serve during viet nam he would be in his 50s at a minimum. plus i think he got scared when i gave him details of my own viet nam service then challenged him to provide the same details of his service. kind of reminds me of a guy i knew who claimed he was a highly decorated navy seal who served in viet nam until one night i introduced him to two friends of mine from the vfw who were real seals in viet nam. i am very suspicious about jam when he claims four months service in viet nam as a junior officer qualifies kerry to be cinc. anyone with any military background knows that is preposterous. he also infers that service in the national guard is not military service. that is suspicious too. kind of like kerrys winter soldiers in 1970 who turned out to have never served a day in their life in uniform. john z kerry president t-bone steak house keep reading youll find the information you seek. and stop putting word in my mouth. jam .

From : j a m

theguy wrote on sat 16 oct 2004 224209 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote theguy wrote on sat 16 oct 2004 202913 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote if the us was a country of individuals all saying i me me mine it wouldnt be a country at all it would be chaos. jam to repeat an oft asked question. does anybody know what j.a.m. is talking about john z kerry president t-bone steak houses anyone without a severe case of aad does. jam i dont. jam you are mistaking being able to read and comprehend with being able to understand. i can read what you say but to understand it would take a mind of your own level and i graduated junior high a long time ago so i am just a long way ahead of you. that i am confident is a problem that you face quite often so you should be aware of this whole arena. if i am wrong and you are actually an adult i apologize. not to you but to the world. you would then be an example of america having an educational system in a very sorry state. i cant understand how someone can support a president that has led us into an immoral unjustified war and has caused the needles death of more than 1000 of our soldiers and over 13000 innocent iraqis. because immoral is not a definitive word. it calls for a subjective definition. becaues unjustified war see above because needless im helping you out here jam death see above the quality of a subjective definition is very dependand on the subject. the better intelligence of the subject the better the definition. consequently i place the appropriate emphasis on your definitions and place them in the appropriate place. the trash can. nuff said jam. by the way your last statement would be a good example of liberal bs that you were asking about earlier. you take a statement place your own opinion present it as fact and then whine that everyone else is stupid if they can not see the truth as you do. you simply suck. quite badly in fact. immoral contrary to established moral principles. unjustified lacking justification is this what george calls supporting our troops the new york times inquiry opens after reservists balk in baghdad by neela banerjee and ariel hart published october 16 2004 he army is investigating members of a reserve unit in iraq who refused to deliver a fuel shipment north of baghdad under conditions they considered unsafe the pentagon and relatives of the soldiers said friday. several soldiers called it a suicide mission relatives said. some 18 members of the 343rd quartermaster company based in rock hill s.c. were detained at gunpoint for nearly two days after disobeying orders to drive trucks that they said had not been serviced and were not being escorted by armed vehicles to taji about 15 miles north of baghdad relatives said after speaking to some of the soldiers. jackie butler of jackson miss. the wife of staff sgt. michael butler 44 said she was awakened about 530 or 6 a.m. thursday by a call from an officer from iraq. he told her that my husband was being detained for disobeying a direct order ms. butler said and he went on to tell me that it was a bogus charge that they got against him and some of those soldiers over there because what they was doing was sending them into a suicide mission and they refused to go. a senior army officer said that 19 soldiers from the unit had been assembled wednesday morning to deliver fuel but that some had refused to go. he denied they had been held under guard. the officer said the soldiers raised some valid concerns. unfortunately it appears that a small number of the soldiers involved chose to express their concerns in an inappropriate manner said the officer who discussed the preliminary findings only on the condition of anonymity. insubordination in wartime is a grave offense and an inquiry is under way the officer said to determine if the uniform code of military justice was violated and whether disciplinary measures were warranted. it is unclear if this is the first time a group of soldiers in iraq has refused to carry out orders and the military is playing down the incident as an isolated event. but the small rebellion suggests that problems linger with outfitting soldiers with adequate equipment in an increasingly dangerous country. i know soldiers are deeply concerned and have been deeply concerned about the equipment shortages said paul rieckhoff who was an army lieutenant in iraq for almost a year until february this year and is now executive director of operation truth a new york advocacy group working to draw attention to the needs of soldiers in iraq and returning veterans. when you dont have proper equipment you feel vulnerable mr. rieckhoff said. we havent evolved quickly enough to meet the enemy threat which is rocket-propelled grenades and roadside bombs. on average american soldiers wer

From : tbone

* jc watts did not serve. * jack kemp did not serve. knee problem although continued in nfl for 8 years. * dan quayle journalism unit of the indiana national guard. * rudy giuliani did not serve. * george pataki did not serve. * spencer abraham did not serve. * john engler did not serve. * lindsey graham national guard lawyer. * arnold schwarzenegger awol from austrian army base. * george w. bush failed to complete his six-year national guard; assigned to alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for u.s. senate; failed to show up for required medical exam disappeared from duty. pundits & preachers * sean hannity did not serve. * rush limbaugh did not serve 4-f with a pilonidal cyst. * bill oreilly did not serve. * michael savage did not serve. * george will did not serve. * chris matthews did not serve. * paul gigot did not serve. * bill bennett did not serve. * pat buchanan did not serve. * john wayne did not serve. * bill kristol did not serve. * kenneth starr did not serve. * antonin scalia did not serve. * clarence thomas did not serve. * ralph reed did not serve. * michael medved did not serve. * charlie daniels did not serve. * ted nugent did not serve. he only shoots at things that dont shoot back. democrats * richard gephardt air national guard 1965-71. * david bonior staff sgt. air force 1968-72. * tom daschle 1st lt. air force sac 1969-72. * al gore enlisted aug. 1969; sent to vietnam jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th engineer brigade. * bob kerrey lt. j.g. navy 1966-69; medal of honor vietnam. * daniel inouye army 1943-47; medal of honor wwii. * john kerry lt. navy 1966-70; silver star bronze star with combat v purple hearts. * charles rangel staff sgt. army 1948-52; bronze star korea. * max cleland captain army 1965-68; silver star & bronze star vietnam. * ted kennedy army 1951-53. * tom harkin lt. navy 1962-67; naval reserve 1968-74. * jack reed army ranger 1971-1979; captain army reserve 1979-91. * fritz hollings army officer in wwii; bronze star and seven campaign ribbons. * leonard boswell lt. col. army 1956-76; vietnam dfcs bronze stars and soldiers medal. * pete peterson air force captain pow. purple heart silver star and legion of merit. * mike thompson staff sergeant 173rd airborne purple heart. * bill mcbride candidate for fla. governor. marine in vietnam; bronze star with combat v. * gray davis army captain in vietnam bronze star. * pete stark air force 1955-57 * chuck robb vietnam * howell heflin silver star * george mcgovern silver star & dfc during wwii. * bill clinton did not serve. student deferments. entered draft but received #311. * jimmy carter seven years in the navy. * walter mondale army 1951-1953 * john glenn wwii and korea; six dfcs and air medal with 18 clusters. * tom lantos served in hungarian underground in wwii. saved by raoul wallenberg. .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote you can always tell when liberals are losing an argument. they resort to name calling. what is aad john z kerry president t-bone steak houses attention defect disorder. look back at your own posts and see for yourself who has been calling people names. jam i think it is attention deficit disorder add but i am not a medical specialist. i sell t-bone steak dinners for a living. i called you names oh darn maybe i did a time or two not sure. garwshhhh ya got me on the ropes with that one. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses im a little dyslectic sometimes. maj .

From : j a m

tbone wrote by outside the law i dont mean against the law. by definition outlaws are outside the law and as everyone knows outlaws are against the law. therefore to be outside the law is to be against it. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying there can be no deception without lies or lying. deception itself is a form of lying. while deception is a form of lying it is not outright lying itself and no actual lies are needed to deceive someone. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving we can agree to agree on that point. jam .

From : j a m

on sun 17 oct 2004 140432 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on 16 oct 2004 203422 -0700 bill.negraeff@cballiance.com bill negraeff wrote by outside the law i dont mean against the law. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying and b. defying the spirit of legislation without violating the letter of the law proof that will come on november 2. you are evading the question typical liberal tactics. your reply has no substance much less specific examples. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the facts i have stated could easily be corroborated by you if you had any intellectual curiosity at all. but i dont care what you think - you can spit them out choke on them or swallow them - as you please. well how liberal of you bill. what a fellow you must be. pkb dude any way you want to spin it pkb. and how liberal of you tom. thank you. your welcome dude any time. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote judging from the misinformation you post here you wouldnt know a fact if it bit you on the ass. na na na poo poo. ohhh you are such a meany! you really hurt my feelings. rotflmao! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i think we have reached the bottom of his intellectual well. jam .

From : j a m

steve@carolinabreezehvac wrote john z kerry wrote it sucks when someone turns the tables on you doesnt it george bush is not deceiving without lying he is lying when he claims the the war in iraq has something to do with 9/11 and the war on terror. he has violated the constitution when he imprisons us citizens without charging them with a crime and allowing them to defend themselves. cite some examples names and charge of original detention.... hint.. you cant. jam dont get foul on me now you been civil so far. well kerry claims there are terrorists in 60 some odd countries except iraq. he said that at the debates. so why is iraq the special exception that is if we agree that terrorists flew the jets into the twin towers who exactly are we fighting in iraq now there have been no further terrorist incidents here because we are keeping them busy in iraq. saddam hussein set up a training sanctuary for terrorists. that fact was in intelligence reports that even the dumocrats accept as accurate including komrad kerry. the 911 commission stated the same thing. iraq terrorists no connection i doubt it! thats just a myth kerry is perpetrating to discredit bush and get himself elected. of course you bush haters swallow it as gospel. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses there were no terrorist in iraq until after we invaded. the war in iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror and 9/11. what would you call someone that gasses an entire town without warning or provocation hint...a terrorist. i agree with fighting the terrorists over there instead of over here. we could have done this in afghanistan. we are doing this in afgan. the fundamentalist muslim terrorists what to bring down all arab governments that are not fundamentalist islamic states including iraq. we did the hard work for them when/if our troops leave iraq the terrorist will still be there and ill bet you a dollar they will bring down the weak government we leave behind. kind of like the last immoral unjustified war we lost 30 years age. funny. you are really a sick fuck you know that jam that would be a mass murderer. jam .

From : tbone

john z kerry wrote there were no terrorist in iraq until after we invaded. the war in iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror and 9/11. i agree with fighting the terrorists over there instead of over here. we could have done this in afghanistan. the fundamentalist muslim terrorists what to bring down all arab governments that are not fundamentalist islamic states including iraq. we did the hard work for them when/if our troops leave iraq the terrorist will still be there and ill bet you a dollar they will bring down the weak government we leave behind. kind of like the last immoral unjustified war we lost 30 years age. jam thats not what the intelligence reports from our own cia and the agencies of other countries said or the 911 commission said. the intelligence reports have all been discredited. you say terrorists are there now good we got em all in one spot keeping them busy and an easy hunt and kill for us. im hearing all this immoral and unjustified war from you. i dont know how you can justify the death of so many innocent people. definitely a howard dean type of guy you are. hey even kerry says we aint leaving iraq until the job is done. you know hes going to use the global test and have us taking orders from the un thats a load of crap and you know it. its just like any neighborhood you must show a little consideration for you neighbors. or are you the kind of neighbor that lets his dogs run loose has drunken loud parties and a few abandoned cars in the front yard and get the french and germans involved. you know the two countries who were in cahoots with saddam and the corrupt guys doing the oil for food program. gimme a break you are getting down right silly now! oh! you say another unjust war 30 years ago do you mean viet nam yes you told me you were either in during that time or served over there you never did say exactly. so were you one of those guys like kerry in uniform but protesting the war too i volunteered during the war. i scored high on the aptitude test and was trained in electronic communications. never was stationed in vietnam. .

From : budd cochran

on tue 12 oct 2004 125658 -0400 daniel j. stern dastern@127.0.0.1 wrote taillights! ptewph. i make no claim to being a jeep expert but from the danger aspect i believe that you guys are all worrying about the wrong end of the vehicle. a problem i had with jeeps that i have owned was that people were continuously pulling out in front of me at night. and i finally figured out why. the damned headlights are closer together than most other vehicles. at night that makes a jeep appear to be a lot farther down the road than it really is compared to cars with normal headlamp spacing. the other drivers pulled out thinking they had plenty of room. so many garys ..so.. clyde .

From : budd cochran

on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote no. not a chance. it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. it would if any of us were really that committed to a candidate roy. it really looks like most of us are more committed against a candidate than really for one. but really its no different than the k&n threads or any other countless other threads that been contested on this ng. some of which you have been a willing participant. i doubt that any of those arguments ever changed anyones mind on this ng ever. i think it really is just about the journey so to speak. we just seem to enjoy the arguing because once we get tired of one subject we just go on to another one. after the election is over do you think the arguments will be over do you think the political arguments will be over or the religious ones i dont. i really think the subject matter whatever it is is secondary to the opportunity to argue. damn right!! btw your mother wears combat boots! ;^ mike and has heated leather seats...... denny yeah..... those too!!!..... whoops what am i saying ^/ mike .

From : john z kerry

while deception is a form of lying it is not outright lying itself and no actual lies are needed to deceive someone. how profound and how kerry! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

pkb dude any way you want to spin it pkb. oh look everyone t-bone has learned a new word pkb. perhaps we will be able to turn him around from his leftist ways afterall. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : tbone

john z kerry wrote youve got that backwards only a miniscule portion of the worlds terrorists are in iraq and theyre not easy to hunt cause they look just like the friendly native towelheads. what bush has done is to bring americans into a killing zone and made it easy to kill them. no need to save money for a ticket to the usa just ride a camel a few miles and bush has a shooting gallery all set up for the terrorists. unlike a conventional battlefield where opponents wear uniforms for easy identification the insurgents can fight using guerrilla tactics and then run off and blend right in with the locals. the u.s. soldiers stand out and are easy to identify. same situation as vietnam with the likelihood of the same result. i believe it is you who has things backwards. btw according to komrad kerry there are no terrorists in iraq. thus according to kerry we have no business in iraq. flip-flop flip-flop do you have any faith in our military no you liberals dont. it is the terrorists who are in a killing zone not our guys! bush has them right where he wants them mainly not in our country. our guys have excellent morale despite the fact the media arm of the democrat party refuses to report this fact. our guys are killing terrorists every day over there and not here. vietnam what do you know about vietnam except that komrad kerry thinks he is a war hero but never mentions his traitorous activity with jane fonda when he returned home. the u.s. military that was in viet nam is not the u.s. military that is in iraq today. our men & women are smarter tougher and a whole lot of other things you liberals never give them credit for. plus this time around we have spec ops guys that you aint gonna hear anything about! they are deadly efficient and invisible. of course the way you and komrad kerry tell it we are already defeated. what a crock! you are not fit to polish the boots of one of our troopers serving in iraq and either is the traitor komrad kerry! but what you liberals really detest is the fact that bush is immensely popular with our military and kerry is not. last afrts survey this past week shows over 87% of our military plans on voting for bush. that is if the dnc lawyers dont disenfranchise their absentee ballots. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i guess you missed the reports about us soldiers refusing to go on a suicide mission jam . 222 291898 suecd.26163$za3.4146519@twister.southeast.rr.com and i see that you are following my lead. good little puppy. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving just like you leftists never follow the rules. now you are top posting. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses yep bush is all for the special interests.. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote i agree with that. the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right of all law abiding citizens. jam yes and understand that it is an individual right and not a collective right as liberal activist judges interpret it. kerry openly admitted at the debates that he will only appoint judges to the supreme court who pass his litmus test. you do know that means he will only appoint liberal activist judges dont you bush otoh said at the debates he will appoint judges who uphold the constitution. it is not a rubber living constitution as you liberals are so fond of calling it a constitution where liberal activist judges continually find so called rights that they seem to dream up from no where in their misguided attempts to legislate from the bench. your boy komrad kerry has never met an anti-gun law he doesnt like. his senate voting record is there for all to see. hunter my ass! hes a gun grabber. yup...there is a reason that the gun makers are and have been putting support bush and our troops bumper stickers in their boxes for shipment. it aint cause kerrys gonna support em john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

an honest opinion would unregulated corporations strive to do the right thing or would they exhibit unbridled greed in the quest for higher profits when answering use the past as an example of what unregulated corporations do. you do an excellent job of quoting the communist party line. you do a mediocre job of avoiding the subject by resorting to petty name calling. did you work on the nixon campaign thank you for your kind remarks! nixon no i was too busy leading a marine recon team over in the place you leftists refer to as another immoral war. while i was there we heard about jane fonda and her close friend komrad kerry and what they were doing to support us back home. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

just like you leftists never follow the rules. now you are top posting. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses yep bush is all for the special interests.. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote i agree with that. the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right of all law abiding citizens. jam yes and understand that it is an individual right and not a collective right as liberal activist judges interpret it. kerry openly admitted at the debates that he will only appoint judges to the supreme court who pass his litmus test. you do know that means he will only appoint liberal activist judges dont you bush otoh said at the debates he will appoint judges who uphold the constitution. it is not a rubber living constitution as you liberals are so fond of calling it a constitution where liberal activist judges continually find so called rights that they seem to dream up from no where in their misguided attempts to legislate from the bench. your boy komrad kerry has never met an anti-gun law he doesnt like. his senate voting record is there for all to see. hunter my ass! hes a gun grabber. yup...there is a reason that the gun makers are and have been putting support bush and our troops bumper stickers in their boxes for shipment. it aint cause kerrys gonna support em john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

terrorists every day over there and not here. vietnam what do you know about vietnam except that komrad kerry thinks he is a war hero but never mentions his traitorous activity with jane fonda when he returned home. the u.s. military that was in viet nam is not the u.s. military that is in iraq today. our men & women are smarter tougher and a whole lot of other things you liberals never give them credit for. plus this time around we have spec ops guys that you aint gonna hear anything about! they are deadly efficient and invisible. of course the way you and komrad kerry tell it we are already defeated. what a crock! you are not fit to polish the boots of one of our troopers serving in iraq and either is the traitor komrad kerry! but what you liberals really detest is the fact that bush is immensely popular with our military and kerry is not. last afrts survey this past week shows over 87% of our military plans on voting for bush. that is if the dnclawyers dont disenfranchise their absentee ballots. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses . 222 291875 4172d9a9.294856921@.radix.net on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy you make a good point - but it does bother me that i am thinking of voting for the same person as budd. beekeep .

From : theguy

on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote no. not a chance. it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. it would if any of us were really that committed to a candidate roy. it really looks like most of us are more committed against a candidate than really for one. but really its no different than the k&n threads or any other countless other threads that been contested on this ng. some of which you have been a willing participant. i doubt that any of those arguments ever changed anyones mind on this ng ever. i think it really is just about the journey so to speak. we just seem to enjoy the arguing because once we get tired of one subject we just go on to another one. after the election is over do you think the arguments will be over do you think the political arguments will be over or the religious ones i dont. i really think the subject matter whatever it is is secondary to the opportunity to argue. roy .

From : theguy

im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy .

From : john kunkel

john kunkel wrote an honest opinion would unregulated corporations strive to do the right thing or would they exhibit unbridled greed in the quest for higher profits when answering use the past as an example of what unregulated corporations do. it depends on the market in question. same goes for people in general. when unions gain enough strength they are every bit as greedy. my point was that the vast majority of corporations are not greedy or corrupt. that is a liberal myth. i asked for an opinion and you launch an attack on unions. i made no mention of unions and dont like them either but the analogy is correct i believe that both unions and corporations are equally corrupt and whether or not that is a liberal myth can only be proven with hard statistics that neither of us are in possession of. i believe that history shows that most large corporations are driven by greed. .

From : john kunkel

an honest opinion would unregulated corporations strive to do the right thing or would they exhibit unbridled greed in the quest for higher profits when answering use the past as an example of what unregulated corporations do. you do an excellent job of quoting the communist party line. you do a mediocre job of avoiding the subject by resorting to petty name calling. did you work on the nixon campaign .

From : tbone

on sat 16 oct 2004 225338 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote what are some of the liberal catch phrases jam how about your own words that you posted today fundamentalist religious zealots john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i dont think i have ever heard so called liberals ever say such a thing. maybe you could find some quotes we could read. jam look at your own posts! or do we got to teach you guys from pittsburg everything john z kerry president t-bone steak houses im not a liberal im somewhere in the middle. only someone on the extreme right would see me as a liberal. what i said were my own words. jam i actually am more of a moderate most of the time jam. if you see yourself as being in the middle you are really messed up on drugs. you are far from moderate here dude and if you think differently then you are only fooling yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy .

From : tbone

yep bush is all for the special interests.. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote i agree with that. the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right of all law abiding citizens. jam yes and understand that it is an individual right and not a collective right as liberal activist judges interpret it. kerry openly admitted at the debates that he will only appoint judges to the supreme court who pass his litmus test. you do know that means he will only appoint liberal activist judges dont you bush otoh said at the debates he will appoint judges who uphold the constitution. it is not a rubber living constitution as you liberals are so fond of calling it a constitution where liberal activist judges continually find so called rights that they seem to dream up from no where in their misguided attempts to legislate from the bench. your boy komrad kerry has never met an anti-gun law he doesnt like. his senate voting record is there for all to see. hunter my ass! hes a gun grabber. yup...there is a reason that the gun makers are and have been putting support bush and our troops bumper stickers in their boxes for shipment. it aint cause kerrys gonna support em john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : budd cochran

i agree is was inappropriate but it old . jam oh i got it now. when it is something possibly negative about a republican it doesnt matter how old it is or how many times it has been rehashed like bushs national guard records. it is always fresh even when it is outright lies. remember cbs dan rather and 60 lies in 60 mins. you do recall this recent incident dont you however when it may have a negative effect on the dumocrats then it is old even when it is only hours old such as kerrys attack on cheneys daughter. lol complete bs. the sexual orientation of cheneys daughter is public knowledge and mentioning it is far from an attack. you are really reaching now red. btw it did bring to mind the fact that during the vp debate when edwards blasted the president for trying to make this a constitutional amendment cheney didnt defend him on it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : theguy

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From : john z kerry

the timer is in the engine controller software. pressure has no effect. on sun 10 oct 2004 224037 -0700 yofuri yofuri@oakharbor.net wrote if the starter is nudged and the ignition left on the pump runs for 20 seconds or so and shuts down. is the pump shut down by an electronic timer or by a fuel pressure sensor the real reason for the question is if the lift pump is going bad will the run time be extended rick .

From : john z kerry

welp iam looking for a nice set of driving lights for my 1995 ram 4x4. it has the space for the stock ones but i woud like to go with some other maybe cheaper maybe better any suggestions thanx jas .

From : bill negraeff

by outside the law i dont mean against the law. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying and b. defying the spirit of legislation without violating the letter of the law proof that will come on november 2. you are evading the question typical liberal tactics. your reply has no substance much less specific examples. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the facts i have stated could easily be corroborated by you if you had any intellectual curiosity at all. but i dont care what you think - you can spit them out choke on them or swallow them - as you please. facts lol! any liberal i know runs from facts. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : jerry

the nra over 4 million strong announced its endorsement of bush today. hmmmm kerry said he was a hunter and a gun owner last night at the debates wonder why the nra did not endorse kerry instead probably because theyre a single-issue group but with the troubling questions raised by http//www.whoisbush.com/ and with kerry supporting gun rights its a harder decision for actual voters. .

From : jerry

those stock holes are not for driving lights they are for fog lights. two very different things. fog lights should be mounted low and have a wide pattern to light under the fog. a driving light on the other hand should be mounted higher usually at the same level as the headlights higher may be illegal in some areas and have a longer pattern to reach farther than the factory headlights. -- steve williams ok i do a lot of driving on the highway so probaby a good clean light. you dont think its better to have them in the stock holes thanx on sat 16 oct 2004 171307 -0600 bob bobcowan@access4less.net wrote johnathon aaron steel wrote welp iam looking for a nice set of driving lights for my 1995 ram 4x4. it has the space for the stock ones but i woud like to go with some other maybe cheaper maybe better any suggestions thanx jas what is your intended use off road use should have a broader and shorter beam than high speed highway use which should be more of a pencil beam. the space for the stock parts is really a space for fog lamps thats why they are so low. good driving lights should be placed higher near your line of sight. ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-uncensored-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 100000 groups ---= east/west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =--- .

From : theguy

on sat 16 oct 2004 225338 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote what are some of the liberal catch phrases jam how about your own words that you posted today fundamentalist religious zealots john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i dont think i have ever heard so called liberals ever say such a thing. maybe you could find some quotes we could read. jam look at your own posts! or do we got to teach you guys from pittsburg everything john z kerry president t-bone steak houses im not a liberal im somewhere in the middle. only someone on the extreme right would see me as a liberal. what i said were my own words. jam i actually am more of a moderate most of the time jam. if you see yourself as being in the middle you are really messed up on drugs. .

From : john z kerry

john kunkel wrote just like bush you sidestep issues. if thou shalt not kill is a commandment how can any form of killing be condoned state sanctioned or not just like the many who quote leviticus to condemn homosexuality which is described as an abomination but ignore the verses in leviticus that forbid the consumption of shellfish also described as an abomination. contradiction and inconsistency are a poor basis for belief. if you are going to use leviticus as a reference then surely you know the same book sanctions killing. you do know dont you that the original translation of thou shalt not kill was thou shalt not murder and was later changed by the church for better control over the congregation. as a matter of fact according to the scriptures god told moses to kill certain people if certain sins had been committed. straight from the horses mouth so to speak. now that is more bible talk than i have done in years so dont expect more........ jerry .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote i agree is was inappropriate but it old . jam oh i got it now. when it is something possibly negative about a republican it doesnt matter how old it is or how many times it has been rehashed like bushs national guard records. it is always fresh even when it is outright lies. remember cbs dan rather and 60 lies in 60 mins. you do recall this recent incident dont you however when it may have a negative effect on the dumocrats then it is old even when it is only hours old such as kerrys attack on cheneys daughter. classic liberal hypocrisy! and taken right from bill & hills damage control guidelines. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the old is about cheneys daughter being a lesbian. jam and kerrys attack on cheneys daughter what is the status of that old fresh or whatever the left calls it as needed i didnt know that cheneys daughter was running for president nor that kerry had any interest in what went on in the cheney household....much less a right to speak about something that cheney has done in the past as a father....hummm...wonder if kerrys girls every had a romp with a college bunkmate. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote actually all christians are redeemed jews. jesus was sent to redeem the jews not found a separate religion. jam geeeze! thats to me. not arguing this one with you although i dont agree. at least i see you are somewhat interested in theology and things spiritual. separate religion i dont think so but i am not qualified to dispute it. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses btw jesus was a man of color. he probably resembled the people of the middle east more than the white european he has been represented as to us. why dont you thank the roman catholic church for that...and while you are at it thank them for putting christmas at the end of the year.....do you know why its the last major religious holiday of a calender year jam .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

your ignorance and inability to have a discussion without turing to insults has exposed you ignorance to all. good work! jam btw im 50 50 now were getting somewhere assuming that is your truthful age we can rule out your being a college kid. so are you one of the professors who feed our kids the far left party line your written expression is not bad but it does not seem to be that of one holding advanced degrees. so what are you you are too young to be an old hippie from the 60s and in fact if you served in nam or during nam you must have been in when the war was essentially over. were you under all vol military service or were you drafted john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote it sucks when someone turns the tables on you doesnt it george bush is not deceiving without lying he is lying when he claims the the war in iraq has something to do with 9/11 and the war on terror. he has violated the constitution when he imprisons us citizens without charging them with a crime and allowing them to defend themselves. cite some examples names and charge of original detention.... hint.. you cant. jam dont get foul on me now you been civil so far. well kerry claims there are terrorists in 60 some odd countries except iraq. he said that at the debates. so why is iraq the special exception that is if we agree that terrorists flew the jets into the twin towers who exactly are we fighting in iraq now there have been no further terrorist incidents here because we are keeping them busy in iraq. saddam hussein set up a training sanctuary for terrorists. that fact was in intelligence reports that even the dumocrats accept as accurate including komrad kerry. the 911 commission stated the same thing. iraq terrorists no connection i doubt it! thats just a myth kerry is perpetrating to discredit bush and get himself elected. of course you bush haters swallow it as gospel. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses there were no terrorist in iraq until after we invaded. the war in iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror and 9/11. what would you call someone that gasses an entire town without warning or provocation hint...a terrorist. i agree with fighting the terrorists over there instead of over here. we could have done this in afghanistan. we are doing this in afgan. the fundamentalist muslim terrorists what to bring down all arab governments that are not fundamentalist islamic states including iraq. we did the hard work for them when/if our troops leave iraq the terrorist will still be there and ill bet you a dollar they will bring down the weak government we leave behind. kind of like the last immoral unjustified war we lost 30 years age. funny. you are really a sick fuck you know that jam .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

really from what scripture do you base that claim -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. budd cochran wrote how is it different from any other capital punishment which is what it was meant to be used for . . . oh wait if the murder killed your family member it might be a different thing al together right just like bush you sidestep issues. if thou shalt not kill is a commandment how can any form of killing be condoned state sanctioned or not so just lay down and let whatever terrorist group invading nation or dictator just walk rough shod over you your family and all youve earned. if they kill you or you family oh well. . . first you need to study jewish history. they were a group that killed among themselves for silly reasons like who owned which goat. nowhere in the o.t. does god forbid fighting in a war in fact he stopped the sun to give the israelites the victory according to the bible. in another instance he sent his angels down to fight with gideon. does that sound like he condemns killing in wartime as i told you the commandment was directed to the hebrews for their daily lives. just like the many who quote leviticus to condemn homosexuality which is described as an abomination but ignore the verses in leviticus that forbid the consumption of shellfish also described as an abomination. and you need to learn the difference between the two. one is to insure the continuance of the hebrews as a ethnic group and the other is to prevent red tide poisonings a health problem common in that area about 5k years ago. two entirely different reasons for the use of the word. btw which version are you taking this stuff from the king james version is considered by most biblical scholars to be the most accurate. contradiction and inconsistency are a poor basis for belief. lack of understanding of what the bible really says is no basis to condemn it not to mention an apples and oranges comparision by you between sexual and health matters. and you continue to demonstrate your own small mindedness. budd actually all christians are redeemed jews. jesus was sent to redeem the jews not found a separate religion. jam .

From : john z kerry

ok i do a lot of driving on the highway so probaby a good clean light. you dont think its better to have them in the stock holes thanx on sat 16 oct 2004 171307 -0600 bob bobcowan@access4less.net wrote johnathon aaron steel wrote welp iam looking for a nice set of driving lights for my 1995 ram 4x4. it has the space for the stock ones but i woud like to go with some other maybe cheaper maybe better any suggestions thanx jas what is your intended use off road use should have a broader and shorter beam than high speed highway use which should be more of a pencil beam. the space for the stock parts is really a space for fog lamps thats why they are so low. good driving lights should be placed higher near your line of sight. .

From : john z kerry

johnathon aaron steel wrote welp iam looking for a nice set of driving lights for my 1995 ram 4x4. it has the space for the stock ones but i woud like to go with some other maybe cheaper maybe better any suggestions thanx jas what is your intended use off road use should have a broader and shorter beam than high speed highway use which should be more of a pencil beam. the space for the stock parts is really a space for fog lamps thats why they are so low. good driving lights should be placed higher near your line of sight. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

john z kerry wrote this one group has hijacked the republican party and turned it 180 degrees from what it once was. how can you contract someone that cynically holds a bible in one hand a gun in the other and wraps himself in the flag of the united states jam one group so called conservative republicans here we go again with broad & sweeping statements. nevermind just enlighten us as to what the republican party used to be dont you remember abraham lincoln herbert hoover dwight eisenhower gerald ford the republican party use to be the party of moderation now it has become the party of intolerance. the republican party couldnt buy a vote in the south because it was the party of abraham lincoln. some of the worst raciest in our government were democrats. that all changed with lyndon johnson and the civil rights legislation he championed. after that the democrat party lost the support of the south and the republican party moved in to scoop up the disenfranchised intolerant former democrats. jam ill admit that is some very interesting political theory you got there but i think you are all wet. moreover you are starting to sound like either a college kid who has been fed all that liberal crap from his professors or you are one those professors feeding politically correct crap to the kids which they must pretend to buy or get a flunking grade. actually lyndon johnson is the accepted turning point when control of the democrat party was seized by the far left. your party is so far to the left now that even moderate republicans look like far out conservatives. an example of a real far right guy is pat buchanan and you see they dont allow him to run for anything. read up on senator richard russell democrat senator from georgia. he was a close friend of lyndon johnsons and warned him that johnson was giving in to the extreme left elements in the party and that it would cost them the loss of moderate democrats. senator zell miller is the living proof of russells prophesy. if you know anything at all about zell miller he is far from being a racist. just one example he proposed the removal of the stars & bars from the georgia state flag. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be led to safety by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins all of them imaginary. -h. l. mencken this has been the republican method for over 40 years. jam rotflmao! that broad & sweeping statement i wouldnt even dignify with a retort but it is funny! even more pathetic since i dont think jam is over 20 years old and he just said that the republican party is 180 degrees from what it once was.. i think hes actually an illegitimate son of kerrys and is trying to sound like his pop.. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

theguy wrote on sat 16 oct 2004 202913 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote if the us was a country of individuals all saying i me me mine it wouldnt be a country at all it would be chaos. jam to repeat an oft asked question. does anybody know what j.a.m. is talking about john z kerry president t-bone steak houses anyone without a severe case of aad does. jam i dont. jam you are mistaking being able to read and comprehend with being able to understand. i can read what you say but to understand it would take a mind of your own level and i graduated junior high a long time ago so i am just a long way ahead of you. that i am confident is a problem that you face quite often so you should be aware of this whole arena. if i am wrong and you are actually an adult i apologize. not to you but to the world. you would then be an example of america having an educational system in a very sorry state. i cant understand how someone can support a president that has led us into an immoral unjustified war and has caused the needles death of more than 1000 of our soldiers and over 13000 innocent iraqis. again ww2 was a just war we didnt have to go into it. how many died in that war bubba do you regret that we went in and dropped that h bomb or two is this what george calls supporting our troops wait now....your man kerry didnt think support was needed.... the new york times inquiry opens after reservists balk in baghdad by neela banerjee and ariel hart snipped. courtmartial em and go from there. .

From : john z kerry

for my 94 i picked up a set from believe it or not walmart they fit the holes perfectly & looked good plus lit the road nicely. think they were about $35 give or take & come with all wiring & switch. wish i could remember exactly what brand/model. check your local wally world if i remember right they were packaged in a blueish box. welp iam looking for a nice set of driving lights for my 1995 ram 4x4. it has the space for the stock ones but i woud like to go with some other maybe cheaper maybe better any suggestions thanx jas .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote actually all christians are redeemed jews. jesus was sent to redeem the jews not found a separate religion. jam geeeze! thats to me. not arguing this one with you although i dont agree. at least i see you are somewhat interested in theology and things spiritual. separate religion i dont think so but i am not qualified to dispute it. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses btw jesus was a man of color. he probably resembled the people of the middle east more than the white european he has been represented as to us. jam .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote you couldnt hold up you end of an intelligent discussion if it had handles. lies wise cracks and insults is that all you have to offer george bush is one of those yellow belly viet nam era draft dodgers however his father had enough money and influence so that he didnt have to leave the country. john kerry volunteered to serve his country during the vietnam war and so did i. bush was a draft dogging party boy while kerry put his life on the line for his country. who do you think is more qualified to lead our country in war jam oh puleeeeeeeeeze. if you are going to bring up the national guard stuff again take it up with cbs and dan rather. btw are you saying national guard service is not military service. i think you had better inform all our men & women from the national guard units who are serving presently in iraq that they are not performing military service. four months service in viet nam as a junior officer does not qualify one to be cinc. so you served during the nam era or were you actually in country i was marine recon enlisted phu bai 1968-70. where were you what service and unit when john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the you must have first had experience of what it is like to be mislead by a bunch of self-serving politicians. i was very fortunate not to have been stationed in vietnam during my service. however that does not negate the fact that i volunteered for service. dan rather apologized for his mistakes. when will bush apologize for his jam .

From : j a m

it was a lame attempt to show that the vice president may support gay rights and that he may not be acceptable the the extreme right of the republican party. the old is about cheneys daughter being a lesbian. anyone that has been paying attention for the last six months already knew it. anyway i thought that kerry was complimenting cheney for showing a little tolerance toward a difference of opinion and lifestyle. jam exactly it was a deliberate attack on cheneys family with the intention of shaving off support from bushs base. except it backfired badly on komrad kerry. like i said before the left does not understand bushs base and fears it. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

theguy wrote on sat 16 oct 2004 202913 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote if the us was a country of individuals all saying i me me mine it wouldnt be a country at all it would be chaos. jam to repeat an oft asked question. does anybody know what j.a.m. is talking about john z kerry president t-bone steak houses anyone without a severe case of aad does. jam i dont. jam you are mistaking being able to read and comprehend with being able to understand. i can read what you say but to understand it would take a mind of your own level and i graduated junior high a long time ago so i am just a long way ahead of you. that i am confident is a problem that you face quite often so you should be aware of this whole arena. if i am wrong and you are actually an adult i apologize. not to you but to the world. you would then be an example of america having an educational system in a very sorry state. i cant understand how someone can support a president that has led us into an immoral unjustified war and has caused the needles death of more than 1000 of our soldiers and over 13000 innocent iraqis. is this what george calls supporting our troops the new york times inquiry opens after reservists balk in baghdad by neela banerjee and ariel hart published october 16 2004 he army is investigating members of a reserve unit in iraq who refused to deliver a fuel shipment north of baghdad under conditions they considered unsafe the pentagon and relatives of the soldiers said friday. several soldiers called it a suicide mission relatives said. some 18 members of the 343rd quartermaster company based in rock hill s.c. were detained at gunpoint for nearly two days after disobeying orders to drive trucks that they said had not been serviced and were not being escorted by armed vehicles to taji about 15 miles north of baghdad relatives said after speaking to some of the soldiers. jackie butler of jackson miss. the wife of staff sgt. michael butler 44 said she was awakened about 530 or 6 a.m. thursday by a call from an officer from iraq. he told her that my husband was being detained for disobeying a direct order ms. butler said and he went on to tell me that it was a bogus charge that they got against him and some of those soldiers over there because what they was doing was sending them into a suicide mission and they refused to go. a senior army officer said that 19 soldiers from the unit had been assembled wednesday morning to deliver fuel but that some had refused to go. he denied they had been held under guard. the officer said the soldiers raised some valid concerns. unfortunately it appears that a small number of the soldiers involved chose to express their concerns in an inappropriate manner said the officer who discussed the preliminary findings only on the condition of anonymity. insubordination in wartime is a grave offense and an inquiry is under way the officer said to determine if the uniform code of military justice was violated and whether disciplinary measures were warranted. it is unclear if this is the first time a group of soldiers in iraq has refused to carry out orders and the military is playing down the incident as an isolated event. but the small rebellion suggests that problems linger with outfitting soldiers with adequate equipment in an increasingly dangerous country. i know soldiers are deeply concerned and have been deeply concerned about the equipment shortages said paul rieckhoff who was an army lieutenant in iraq for almost a year until february this year and is now executive director of operation truth a new york advocacy group working to draw attention to the needs of soldiers in iraq and returning veterans. when you dont have proper equipment you feel vulnerable mr. rieckhoff said. we havent evolved quickly enough to meet the enemy threat which is rocket-propelled grenades and roadside bombs. on average american soldiers were attacked 87 times a day in august the latest figures available a sharp increase from a year earlier. in september 41 soldiers died from rocket attacks and gunfire up from 11 a year earlier. the incident which was first reported in the clarion-ledger in jackson miss. where several of the soldiers live apparently began after the company tried to deliver a shipment of fuel to a base but was turned away because the fuel was unusable according to family members. according to relatives and the army officer they returned to their base in tallil where they were told to deliver the fuel to taji. the group refused citing the poor condition of their vehicles and the lack of an armed escort family members said. american convoys which are usually accompanied by armored cars and sometimes by aircraft are often attacked by insurgents. yesterday we refused to go on a convoy to taji specialist amber mcclenny 21 said in a message sh

From : theguy

you couldnt hold up you end of an intelligent discussion if it had handles. lies wise cracks and insults is that all you have to offer george bush is one of those yellow belly viet nam era draft dodgers however his father had enough money and influence so that he didnt have to leave the country. john kerry volunteered to serve his country during the vietnam war and so did i. bush was a draft dogging party boy while kerry put his life on the line for his country. who do you think is more qualified to lead our country in war jam oh puleeeeeeeeeze. if you are going to bring up the national guard stuff again take it up with cbs and dan rather. btw are you saying national guard service is not military service. i think you had better inform all our men & women from the national guard units who are serving presently in iraq that they are not performing military service. four months service in viet nam as a junior officer does not qualify one to be cinc. so you served during the nam era or were you actually in country i was marine recon enlisted phu bai 1968-70. where were you what service and unit when john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote it sucks when someone turns the tables on you doesnt it george bush is not deceiving without lying he is lying when he claims the the war in iraq has something to do with 9/11 and the war on terror. he has violated the constitution when he imprisons us citizens without charging them with a crime and allowing them to defend themselves. jam dont get foul on me now you been civil so far. well kerry claims there are terrorists in 60 some odd countries except iraq. he said that at the debates. so why is iraq the special exception that is if we agree that terrorists flew the jets into the twin towers who exactly are we fighting in iraq now there have been no further terrorist incidents here because we are keeping them busy in iraq. saddam hussein set up a training sanctuary for terrorists. that fact was in intelligence reports that even the dumocrats accept as accurate including komrad kerry. the 911 commission stated the same thing. iraq terrorists no connection i doubt it! thats just a myth kerry is perpetrating to discredit bush and get himself elected. of course you bush haters swallow it as gospel. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses there were no terrorist in iraq until after we invaded. the war in iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror and 9/11. i agree with fighting the terrorists over there instead of over here. we could have done this in afghanistan. the fundamentalist muslim terrorists what to bring down all arab governments that are not fundamentalist islamic states including iraq. we did the hard work for them when/if our troops leave iraq the terrorist will still be there and ill bet you a dollar they will bring down the weak government we leave behind. kind of like the last immoral unjustified war we lost 30 years age. jam .

From : john z kerry

the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be led to safety by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins all of them imaginary. -h. l. mencken this has been the republican method for over 40 years. jam rotflmao! that broad & sweeping statement i wouldnt even dignify with a retort but it is funny! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

on sat 16 oct 2004 202913 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote if the us was a country of individuals all saying i me me mine it wouldnt be a country at all it would be chaos. jam to repeat an oft asked question. does anybody know what j.a.m. is talking about john z kerry president t-bone steak houses anyone without a severe case of aad does. jam i dont. jam you are mistaking being able to read and comprehend with being able to understand. i can read what you say but to understand it would take a mind of your own level and i graduated junior high a long time ago so i am just a long way ahead of you. that i am confident is a problem that you face quite often so you should be aware of this whole arena. if i am wrong and you are actually an adult i apologize. not to you but to the world. you would then be an example of america having an educational system in a very sorry state. .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote i agree is was inappropriate but it old . jam oh i got it now. when it is something possibly negative about a republican it doesnt matter how old it is or how many times it has been rehashed like bushs national guard records. it is always fresh even when it is outright lies. remember cbs dan rather and 60 lies in 60 mins. you do recall this recent incident dont you however when it may have a negative effect on the dumocrats then it is old even when it is only hours old such as kerrys attack on cheneys daughter. classic liberal hypocrisy! and taken right from bill & hills damage control guidelines. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the old is about cheneys daughter being a lesbian. jam and kerrys attack on cheneys daughter what is the status of that old fresh or whatever the left calls it as needed john z kerry president t-bone steak houses it was a lame attempt to show that the vice president may support gay rights and that he may not be acceptable the the extreme right of the republican party. the old is about cheneys daughter being a lesbian. anyone that has been paying attention for the last six months already knew it. anyway i thought that kerry was complimenting cheney for showing a little tolerance toward a difference of opinion and lifestyle. jam .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote extremism is never a good thing. jam does that inclue far left extremism john z kerry president t-bone steak houses yes. jam .

From : j a m

john smith wrote learning from your mistakes is a sign of intelligence. sure is and in an election year its also political suicide. intelligent people dont generally commit suicide much to your chagrin. im not sure what you meant by that statement could you explain jam .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote i agree is was inappropriate but it old . jam oh i got it now. when it is something possibly negative about a republican it doesnt matter how old it is or how many times it has been rehashed like bushs national guard records. it is always fresh even when it is outright lies. remember cbs dan rather and 60 lies in 60 mins. you do recall this recent incident dont you however when it may have a negative effect on the dumocrats then it is old even when it is only hours old such as kerrys attack on cheneys daughter. classic liberal hypocrisy! and taken right from bill & hills damage control guidelines. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the old is about cheneys daughter being a lesbian. jam and kerrys attack on cheneys daughter what is the status of that old fresh or whatever the left calls it as needed john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote oh please save me some time. just reread your own posts. i just referred j.a.m. to his recent post about fundamentalist religious zealots a favorite liberal catch phrase for anyone who attends church and/or believes in god. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses once again you have made a lame attempt to put words in my mouth. i never said anything even remotely like that. i guess i should expect this from someone like you. attending church and/or believing in god does not make someone a fundamentalist religious zealot. attempting to force their beliefs on someone or some government does. jam btw i was raised a christian. .

From : john z kerry

this one group has hijacked the republican party and turned it 180 degrees from what it once was. how can you contract someone that cynically holds a bible in one hand a gun in the other and wraps himself in the flag of the united states jam one group here we go again with broad & sweeping statements. nevermind just enlighten us as to what the republican party used to be john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote i think that fundamentalist religious zealots are the greatest threat. it doesnt matter if its christians jews or muslims fundamentalist thinking is dangerous. jam typical broad & sweeping liberal statement lacking any substance. look at your neighbors on either side of your home. they are american citizens attend church and want to see god kept in the pledge of allegiance. by your definition that makes them fundamentalist religious zealots. oh you say thats not what you mean well out with it man. where do we go look for your religious zealots our schools our factories perhaps the guy who picks up your trash he goes to a black baptist church you know. so just where should we look for these american fundamentalist religious zealots and pullllllleeeeeze spare telling me pat robertson is an example. kripes! the guy is but one man. and you say thinking is dangerous too so who are you the thought police you were just telling us that ashcroft was dangerous. hello people like you who consider thoughts dangerous are a nightmare compared to ashcroft and pat robertson. sheeeeeeesh! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses dont put works in my mouth. and get your facts right. i never said anything about ashcroft. but now that you mention it didnt he loose an election to a dead man the religious zealots that are the most dangerous are the ones that think a governments should be based on their narrow interpretation of religious scripture. they are not happy having a personal relationship with god they need to have a publicly flaunted relationship and feel they have to force everyone to adopt their religion because they know that their beliefs are the only acceptable ones. jam .

From : tbone

i think that fundamentalist religious zealots are the greatest threat. it doesnt matter if its christians jews or muslims fundamentalist thinking is dangerous. jam typical broad & sweeping liberal statement lacking any substance. look at your neighbors on either side of your home. they are american citizens attend church and want to see god kept in the pledge of allegiance. by your definition that makes them fundamentalist religious zealots. oh you say thats not what you mean well out with it man. where do we go look for your religious zealots our schools our factories perhaps the guy who picks up your trash he goes to a black baptist church you know. so just where should we look for these american fundamentalist religious zealots and pullllllleeeeeze spare telling me pat robertson is an example. kripes! the guy is but one man. and you say thinking is dangerous too so who are you the thought police you were just telling us that ashcroft was dangerous. hello people like you who consider thoughts dangerous are a nightmare compared to ashcroft and pat robertson. sheeeeeeesh! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : theguy

on sat 16 oct 2004 191057 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote theguy wrote on fri 15 oct 2004 200843 -0700 the sneed ts1435@aol.com wrote john z kerry wrote he forgot the verse thou shall not kill! he didnt forget; he has no core values and never did. kerry quoting the bible is probably the height of liberal hypocrisy! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i wish one of you would define core values for me. or is that just another meaningless wise crack in most cases the conservatives resort to using little catch phrases that theyve heard but have no idea of the meaning of they just inject them into statements like dutiful little robots and voice them like parrots. yeah right. as opposed to liberals who resort to using little catch phrases theyve heard that they do understand the meaning of. which pretty much just means that liberals must know that they are lying when they use the little catch phrases but use them anyway what are some of the liberal catch phrases jam oh please save me some time. just reread your own posts. .

From : bill negraeff

theguy wrote on fri 15 oct 2004 032330 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote the nra over 4 million strong announced its endorsement of bush today. hmmmm kerry said he was a hunter and a gun owner last night at the debates wonder why the nra did not endorse kerry instead hunter my ass! kerry never met a gun control law he didnt like and that puts him to the far left out of step with mainstream gun owning americans. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses nra member i was a member of the nra until they became a political action committee for the extreme right wing of the republican party. jam no ya werent. give me the secret codes if you was a member john z kerry president t-bone steak houses what a load of crap. meaningless bs question jam ok then explain how they do the secret handshake. aint no such thing. jam .

From : j a m

not until now this one doesnt seem to have to concern himself with laws. he operates mostly outside the law. prove it with specific examples and detailed references instead of just regurgitating the liberal dumocrat party line. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses by outside the law i dont mean against the law. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying and b. defying the spirit of legislation without violating the letter of the law proof that will come on november 2. .

From : j a m

miles wrote john z kerry wrote kerry was in high-speed spin control all day today after calling cheneys daughter a lesbian on national tv during the debates last night. kerrys campaign manager made it worse by calling cheneys daughter fair game. of course it backfired on the dumocrats today as even members of the liberal media told kerry he stepped way over the line by attacking cheneys family. why did kerry do this it was a veiled attempt to cause division in bushs base but it too failed and bush jumped yet higher in todays polls. where is dan rather when kerry needs him i noticed that. kerry is getting alot of backlash for his statement and is squirming to get away from it. i agree is was inappropriate but it old . jam .

From : j a m

theguy wrote on fri 15 oct 2004 032132 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote theguy wrote on fri 15 oct 2004 015436 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush no core values just hatred of bush. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses core values george bush & tony blair are mass murders your opinion. i dont share it. the debates are over and no one has discussed the subject of the mass murder of over 13000 civilians in iraq. http//www.iraqbodycount.net/ you just did! george bush claims that terrorists do not value human life. i think that is pretty understated. he claims that pro choice advocates do not respect the sanctity of human life. he has. we disagree. he has repeatedly stated that he would do it all over again if given the chance. good. learning from your mistakes is a sign of intelligence. and you would know how this morning i listened to tony blair refuse to apologize to the british people for leading them into an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. pretty poor style of argument. i dont think that he refused to apologize for an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. is that his exact words no i think that is your words. putting your words into his mouth and stating it as fact is lying. you are a liar. we have been lied to and miss led by the current administration of george bush dick cheney paul wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld into paying with the lives of our soldiers and the lives of more than 13000 innocent iraqis to soothe their enormous egos. yes we have just been lied to by you. all the other issues in this election pale to insignificance in the face of the mass murder of innocent peoples. the democrats are big spenders and so are the republicans. the difference is that the democrats will spend our money on people. the republicans will spend our money on killing people. when you make your choice on election day choose life. oh man so it is just as simple as choosing life or death you may be correct but you may have your candidates switched around a little bit. jam jam i am sure that your long winded drivel impressed yourself but it didnt impress me in the least. just more stupid naivety from another idiot. i tried and failed to make is simple enough for you to under stand. jam lol. for me to under stand you pseudo intellectual. that means fake intellectual im convinced i have to explain that to you. you are an absolute moron trying so hard to make yourself feel like an intellect. you have no idea what you are talking about. what a geek. got a new computer huh just had to get on a ng somewhere huh what are you about 15 years old your ignorance and inability to have a discussion without turing to insults has exposed you ignorance to all. good work! jam btw im 50 .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote plonk to everyone in this thread for ruining a good group errr punch i see your post traces to canada. i realize canada is now a socialist country a shame as canada was once a free country where liberty prevailed. nevertheless what you see here is preelection free speech as guaranteed by the first amendment to the u.s. constitution. free open and robust political discussion is how americans decide who they will vote for. say you are not one of those yellow belly viet nam era draft dodgers who ran off to canada are you and do learn to use your filters. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses you couldnt hold up you end of an intelligent discussion if it had handles. lies wise cracks and insults is that all you have to offer george bush is one of those yellow belly viet nam era draft dodgers however his father had enough money and influence so that he didnt have to leave the country. john kerry volunteered to serve his country during the vietnam war and so did i. bush was a draft dogging party boy while kerry put his life on the line for his country. who do you think is more qualified to lead our country in war jam .

From : j a m

john kunkel wrote an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush what motivates conservative republicans three things ignorance hatred greed no actually its 1. fear 2. ignorance 3. greed yep fear is a powerful motivator the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be led to safety by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins all of them imaginary. -h. l. mencken this has been the republican method for over 40 years. jam .

From : j a m

miles wrote j. a. m. wrote so called conservative republicans are neither conservative or republican in their thinking. the are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. they see compromise as a dirty word and will not tolerate a difference of opinion. they live in a black and white world and make things difficult for the rest of us that live somewhere in the gray area of moderation. its the people on the extream left and the extream right that make the rest of us suffer. your last part of yoru last statement is the only one that makes any sense. extreme on both sides serves little good. the rest of your rhetoric attempts to single out one group and is well how do you say meaningless this one group has hijacked the republican party and turned it 180 degrees from what it once was. how can you contract someone that cynically holds a bible in one hand a gun in the other and wraps himself in the flag of the united states jam .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote so called conservative republicans are neither conservative or republican in their thinking. the are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. they see compromise as a dirty word and will not tolerate a difference of opinion. they live in a black and white world and make things difficult for the rest of us that live somewhere in the gray area of moderation. its the people on the extream left and the extream right that make the rest of us suffer. jam does anybody know what he is talking about yea hes pointing out a simple fact so simple that it will escape your grasp. well if it is that simple share it man! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses extremism is never a good thing. jam .

From : j a m

theguy wrote on fri 15 oct 2004 031842 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote jerry wrote john z kerry wrote does anybody know what he is talking about yeah hes suffering .................... probable since birth. jerry just another meaningless wise crack. jam maybe but still more honorable than just being another crack like you. wheres the rim shot jam .

From : john z kerry

hello all i am the proud new owner of a 1998 1500 ram 4x4. the truck has low miles for the year 71000 and is in very good shape overall. however one issue that i cant seem to resolve on my own is a growling noise while driving. it seems to happen when driving up steady inclines at around 50-51 mph although it has happened at higher speeds too. if i immediately let up on the gas pedal the noise goes away and if i then accelerate through that speed it doesnt seem to happen again until i settle back into that zone we have a few 50 mph roads around here that find me driving in that zone fairly often. at first it sounded like a vibrating cowling or something like that but after hearing it a few times i sense that it is meatier than that almost like gears not quite meshing. it seems to eminate from underneath the truck somewhere behind the cab. does anyone have any ideas on this thanks in advance... just a follow-up for anyone that cares. the noise i was hearing was from a severely worn range fork in the trasnfer case. the plastic lining on the fork as well as most of the metal had worn away providing lots of play in the system. at certain speeds the conditions were right for the hub to slightly engage into 4wd creating the noise. $780 later it is fixed and running great although i think the tranny might be going soon too. ah the joys of truck ownership. thanks for all the replies. .

From : budd cochran

plonk to everyone in this thread for ruining a good group errr punch i see your post traces to canada. i realize canada is now a socialist country a shame as canada was once a free country where liberty prevailed. nevertheless what you see here is preelection free speech as guaranteed by the first amendment to the u.s. constitution. free open and robust political discussion is how americans decide who they will vote for. say you are not one of those yellow belly viet nam era draft dodgers who ran off to canada are you and do learn to use your filters. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : budd cochran

on fri 15 oct 2004 164636 gmt jerry jlrice1655@earthlink.net wrote mac davis wrote my wife went to a va info class through work and the said that about 30% of the homeless in ca. were viet vets... over 50% of the homeless were vets.. hell mac theyve been there since the 70s. youre a viet nam vet i am roy is as is others around here ............. why arent we sitting there complaining. i dont feel one bit sorry for them. jerry i try to stay involved in veteran things especially benefits.... the was a picture of a bunch of vets lined up at a local store waiting for flu shots... that most of them didnt get because of short supply... wtf is wrong with this country i could venture a guess but........ anyway what is pissing me off is that we get all of the flu vaccine from on friggin company and import it to boot. which brings to mind one other thing we cant get prescription drugs from canada because the arent approved even though they are the friggin same ones we get here in the us and are exported to canada. but we can get all of our flu vaccine from england. somebodys thinking is fucked. roy .

From : budd cochran

thank you. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. plonk easy there hes not the troll that t-bone is. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. the same thing that motivates right-wing overly-conservative war-mongering republicans a narrow and closed mind. craig c. war-mongering i take offense to that! i run a peace loving business selling t-bone steaks. did you ever consider who hates war the most think about it and ill then discuss part two with you. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

ya gotta say one thing in dennys favor . . . he walks to the beat of his own drum he cant play it but he walks to its beat anyway. -- budd if the shoe fits.......... subject fw life life is all about ass; youre either covering it laughing it off kicking it kissing it busting it trying to get a piece of it or behaving like one. pretty much sums it up #2 #1 i take it you had a safe trip back home. we hit traffic jams out the ass about 1 1/2 hrs to get to 40 and then another hour trying to get thru cincinnati. our timing was just right the bengles game was over about an hour before we crossed the river. be careful with those seat heaters soes you dont burn your ass. bg #2 #2 yeah we left sunday at 0400 and had the road to ourselves. rolled into the homestead about 1400. we had a great time in the smokys. just wished we could have visited with you longer but you were on a tight timetable. btw the pink bunny suit dont look half-bad.... from the looks of it though youre gonna have to let out the belly some more soon....... ^ now what was that about my seats #1 .

From : punch crash2000 sympatico ca

on fri 15 oct 2004 164636 gmt jerry jlrice1655@earthlink.net wrote mac davis wrote my wife went to a va info class through work and the said that about 30% of the homeless in ca. were viet vets... over 50% of the homeless were vets.. hell mac theyve been there since the 70s. youre a viet nam vet i am roy is as is others around here ............. why arent we sitting there complaining. i dont feel one bit sorry for them. jerry .

From : punch crash2000 sympatico ca

if the shoe fits.......... subject fw life life is all about ass; youre either covering it laughing it off kicking it kissing it busting it trying to get a piece of it or behaving like one. pretty much sums it up #2 #1 i take it you had a safe trip back home. we hit traffic jams out the ass about 1 1/2 hrs to get to 40 and then another hour trying to get thru cincinnati. our timing was just right the bengles game was over about an hour before we crossed the river. be careful with those seat heaters soes you dont burn your ass. bg #2 #2 yeah we left sunday at 0400 and had the road to ourselves. rolled into the homestead about 1400. we had a great time in the smokys. just wished we could have visited with you longer but you were on a tight timetable. btw the pink bunny suit dont look half-bad.... from the looks of it though youre gonna have to let out the belly some more soon....... ^ now what was that about my seats #1 .

From : punch crash2000 sympatico ca

plonk to everyone in this thread for ruining a good group -- http//www.dollarrandomizer.com/punch an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush what motivates conservative republicans three things ignorance hatred greed no actually its 1. fear 2. ignorance 3. greed -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : punch crash2000 sympatico ca

plonk john z kerry wrote ahem john.... thats bated breath..... ;^ your breath is only baited if youve been eating worms! mike thank you for the constructive criticism. looks like i blew the spelling and maybe the usage too but i do not require a bloated bureaucratic government spelling assistance program staffed by thousands of government employees all of whom are union members to help me improve. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses trying to improve spelling while earning a living without government hand outs another meaningless wise crack yes jam .

From : punch crash2000 sympatico ca

plonk what motivates conservative republicans three things ignorance hatred greed no fair! you copied hatred. make up your own words. errrr while were at it what motivates moderate republicans conservative democrats liberal republicans moderate democrats libertarians communists socialists i am waiting with baited breath for your esteemed reply. ahem john.... thats bated breath..... ;^ your breath is only baited if youve been eating worms! mike john z kerry president t-bone steak houses what motivates my employees is more pay .

From : john z kerry

some conservatives i know run from the truth. jam no they are running from fundamentalist leftist liberal zealots. john z kerry .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote if the us was a country of individuals all saying i me me mine it wouldnt be a country at all it would be chaos. jam to repeat an oft asked question. does anybody know what j.a.m. is talking about john z kerry president t-bone steak houses anyone without a severe case of aad does. jam .

From : john z kerry

extremism is never a good thing. jam does that inclue far left extremism john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

rush limbaugh americas truth detector. he is equal time. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses below space reserved for liberal dumocrats to whine & cry - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - whine here cry here .

From : theguy

yes i am sick. im sick of the truth being obscured by meaningless wise cracks and lying politicians. the biggest spending presidents in the history of our nation were/are republicans. the democrats are big spenders. the republicans are big spenders. the democrats spend our money on people. the republicans spend our money on killing people. jam you must have cried yo wittle heart out when howard dean dropped out of the race john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : jerry

on thu 14 oct 2004 230317 -0400 john z kerry heinz@kerrydafreak.org wrote john z kerry wrote so called conservative republicans are neither conservative or republican in their thinking. the are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. they see compromise as a dirty word and will not tolerate a difference of opinion. they live in a black and white world and make things difficult for the rest of us that live somewhere in the gray area of moderation. its the people on the extream left and the extream right that make the rest of us suffer. jam does anybody know what he is talking about nope and that includes jam himself. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses sorry ill include a meaningless wise crack next time so you can understand. jam thanks more positive poll numbers for bush. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john kunkel

yep fear is a powerful motivator the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be led to safety by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins all of them imaginary. -h. l. mencken yup and the twin towers were just an illusion. or as your boy kerry would say just a periodic nuisance easily handled by law enforcement. you people would be stand up comics any other time if it werent for the serious times we live in. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

uhhh...you are spitting silliness. not at all provide a link. i suggest using the grey matter between your ears but if you want a link you cant have it. you will actually have to navigate to the website www.deutz.com and navigate through the engine menu. select automotive and kilowatt range of 100-300. then select the 2013 model number. will give you a pdf of specs. this is as good as it gets gentlemen. when did i say everything would be the same. you claimed more efficiency with the duetz if it were replacing the cummins. you said nothing of redesigning the entire drivetrain. thus a simple r&r would not render what yuo are claiming. do you think im naive yes. you are a repressed man ; you are very passionate about your truck arent you you should put that passion into something more useful. when youve finished your several years of r&d i may actually find merit to your claims. ill get right on it...hold your breath. i say the package was designed for the cummins and not the deutz and years of r&d proves it. i then ask you to prove your claim and back it with some r&d and you are pissed too bad. they designed the entire truck around the engine! to me ; give us all a break ok im pissed... to me again so you are argueing vibration robs efficiency...ok...ill let you have that one. now you feel like a winner i didnt win anything but you certainly overlooked something. why you claim to be an engineer but totally missed denied the vibration factor that automotive and diesel engineers have been fighting for years. oh...so deutz cummins cat detroit ford mercedes and toyota are all wrong to build four cylinder engines...i better sell my stock while theres still time. better yet id better just push my yamaha z1 in the dumpster...its obviously flawed...what was i thinking buying a four cylinder motorcycle the bf4m2013c was designed as an automotive engine. so.... so i still dont see it on the deutz site. got a link get off your lazy a$$ and find it. you speak of big rigs no im not the ceo of any manufacture nor do i play one on tv. so my discussion is of personal vehicles. terrific. you missed the point. in a sector of use where efficiency with power is paramount one configuration dominates the market. further in the automotive market its long been a fact that the inline six gasoline engines such as the ford 300ci the chevy 250 and the mopar 225 delivered better power with better mpg than other engines in their respective lineups. interesting also the return of the inline six in the latest generation of gm suvs touting the power of a v8 with the fuel efficiency of a six cylinder. iirc its sitting at about 270hp nothing to sneeze at. this was never a discussion of whether the four five six or eight cylinder is the best design and im not about to take your word on anything. i have read the specs from the manufacturers. 198 g/kwh is very specific. i dont care how many cylinders the stupid engine has ok i dont care of your discussion of harmonics or balance. ill take that up with the manufacturer if i have a problem. throw your energy into something more useful. you are sucking the fun out of this discussion. the other continents are flooded with small pickups with diesel four bangers. keyword being small. the d50 came with a diesel option and there were a few small diesels in the d100. neither model sold well here in the u.s. thanks for the facts. whats your point now i took it for granted you were speaking of a dodge truck. if you are getting 30mpg i would really like to know your secret. first you say 25mpg now you boost the figure to 30mpg. ill readily claim 25mpg is possible as ive done it. you didnt read my post. wrong. what bearing does my voter registration have on this discussion just so close to the election...im getting emotional. obviously. cant believe bush is not being tried for treason. stuart .

From : john kunkel

the nra over 4 million strong announced its endorsement of bush today. buwahahahahahahaha!!! golly gee what a surprise. next thing you know the moral majority will endorse him and if all goes well the republican party might even endorse him. some things are just too predictable. ahhhhh yes life can be boring especially when things are going so well. who is the moral majority john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john kunkel

john kunkel wrote an honest opinion would unregulated corporations strive to do the right thing or would they exhibit unbridled greed in the quest for higher profits when answering use the past as an example of what unregulated corporations do. it depends on the market in question. same goes for people in general. when unions gain enough strength they are every bit as greedy. my point was that the vast majority of corporations are not greedy or corrupt. that is a liberal myth. regulations need to be used very sparingly to address specific issues in specific market areas. as for the past our gov. has shown its ineptness to regulate corporations such that there is a fair balance between consumers employees and owners. .

From : john z kerry

thats not how i remember it but then you never remember things as i do. now this we can agree on. and you missed the point that you will twist corrupt and even lie to save your sorry butt. this is no different than you have done and are still doing in this thread. a disguised personal attack i was right in not trusting you. you are a complete braindead idiot. read the freaking site if you want the answer. im not your mommy and ill not read it to you. temper budd temper. did you read it yes i did how do you think that i know that the k&n filters came on the top of the list right behind the very expensive wix nascar filters. then you read where the k$n passes more dirt and more dirt will always mean more wear. which is what i have said all along. you are the one that keeps throwing out the destroying word. no i didnt that would be shade tree and max. i said that the up to 1% extra dirt would probably have no measurable effect on the motor. and youd be wrong . . . . still and again. i dont think so but if you have proof otherwise... whats the matter troll-boy cant you do a little deductive reasoning for yourself more dirt equals more wear equals shorter engine life. the constant name calling does make you look quite immature. aw gee the master of name calling whining over being called what he has claimed and admitted to being. as for deductive reasoning we are only talking about up too 1% more dirt and most of that miniscule increased amount of dirt will not cause any wear at all. bull. prove it. i also said measurable wear and that is where you fail in your deductive reasoning. if it has no measurable effect over the life of the engine it simply doesnt exist. if you arent able to recognize the damage the extra dirt would cause then its the best thing that could happen to engines that you no longer work on them in a repair shop. . . iow you are no mechanic. i never said that the turbo wouldnt work only that it is a stupid way to regulate it. no not stupid just low buck. but then with your spend it like its water liberal attitudes youd go for the expensive way everytime. lol that is just being silly. as you have mentioned below it is being used as a bov and that is not used for regulation. pehaps you should visit a few modern sites insteat of relying on a 7 year old book. maybe you should refresh what a bov used in a blow-thru system an do . . ..regulate pressure down stream from itself. with no fuel in the compressed air theres no fire danger. if the engine exhaust volume / pressure is reduced by a reduction in boost volume / pressure by way of a pressure relief cap then turbine speed is reduced. that is not true. proof here is that deductive reasoning again. if the turbo is capable of reaching speeds to produce a given boost level then venting off excess pressure will not slow it down because it didnt need the added exhaust flow to get there in the first place. what what a load of bull. first off the discussion was overspeeding not slowing the turbo. secondly if there is less volume it cannot spin the turbine at the same speed unless the flow speed increases which effectively increases the volume the turbine receives. i thought you said you understood turbos . . . guess it was another of your fables. and then when you add the fact that vented pressure will add no further resistance to increasing turbine speed the turbo will spin even faster. this is simple logic busdd something that you like to accuse me of not having. whats gonna spin it faster if less air is being consumed by the engine less fuel will be added making less exhaust volume which lacks the mass to spin the turbine faster.thats the true logic of the system not you butt covering spin. where did i say there was no wastegate you and your stupid assumptions . . . wastegates regulate boost and thereby prevent turbo overspeeding. well then if it still has a functioning wastegate then what is the purpose of this radiator cap as you explain a little farther down a blow off valve. gee youd really freak over one made from a bb chevy intake valve and some pvc fittings . .. . why would i all that they are is a controlled valve which is what you are proposing but they are not used for regulation purposes. unfortunately you would be wrong again. they are being used for regulation of boost pressure and very successfully. exhaust impulses from an engine suddenly under load can lift a wastegate from its seat and the turbo spooled up slower. ive seen it in a couple diesels and its in one of datsons letters. do you have a diagram that could back this up i simply dont see how it is possible. then you dont know what you claim to know. and if you cant back up what you say neither do you. i want to see the flow path through t

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote he forgot the verse thou shall not kill! he didnt forget; he has no core values and never did. kerry quoting the bible is probably the height of liberal hypocrisy! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i wish one of you would define core values for me. or is that just another meaningless wise crack jam and more positive poll numbers for bush. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote here is a classic example of the liberal myth. that all or even most businesses are corrupt and greedy. if liberals had their way then corporations would be reduced to miniscule profits and the incentive to achieve and grow would be minimized. there is some truth to the greed and corruption issue but what liberals want has great negative impact on far more than just the few corrupt corporations. very simply put liberals are all for having an intrusive big all-knowing all-protective bureaucratic federal government control all facets of our lives. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses jeewiz that sounds just like the way we are living now under the current administration. jam give an example. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

tbone wrote an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush what motivates conservative republicans three things ignorance hatred greed no actually its 1. fear 2. ignorance 3. greed -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving be afraid be very afraid and vote for bush! .

From : j a m

john kunkel wrote an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush what motivates conservative republicans three things ignorance hatred greed sadly i think you are correct. jam .

From : john z kerry

mac davis wrote my wife went to a va info class through work and the said that about 30% of the homeless in ca. were viet vets... over 50% of the homeless were vets.. hell mac theyve been there since the 70s. youre a viet nam vet i am roy is as is others around here ............. why arent we sitting there complaining. i dont feel one bit sorry for them. jerry .

From : bill negraeff

roy wrote my wife went to a va info class through work and the said that about 30% of the homeless in ca. were viet vets... over 50% of the homeless were vets.. now they have a whole new group from this war. too bad jerrys idiot wont help them out. he put them there. that must be because bush has increased va funding 29% over the clinton years ................... yeah thats gotta be it. jerry .

From : craig christian

i sure dont understand it. with the condition of most city streets because whatever reason id be afraid of busting rims because theres no room for the sidewall to absorb a pothole impact. that is one nice thing about dallas we have great roads here. of course they are all toll roads .... gasp ah you have to watch out for old ranger walker . . . .well the film crews anyway. ive never been to big d big im not one for big cities anyway . .too much redneck blood in these veins i guess. vbg when i worked for perot they use to film the street scenes for that show outside of our offices. its comical to see a dodge truck with a camera mounted on the hood blocking all view from the inside being pulled by a cable. incidentally it was a ford powerstroke pulling it .... ; tried skiing once . . . then i found out no one makes training wheels for skis. youre right ... but most people catch on pretty quick ... usually before they suffer any broken bones. ; from what i remember of those same presidents i think they spent monies we did not have to begin with on programs for special interest groups. yes some of that happened. sorry craig but go back to the analogy. if any money is spent that we dont really have then it increases our bankruptcy . . . our national debt. i agree ... and i do not think that any president has ever made 100% correct decisions on *anything*. however where we disagree here ... and we will have to leave at that ... is that clinton stopped the deficit spending and *began* to pull us out of debt. baby bush has made no such effort. if we just went back on the silver standard which means ever penny of money in circulation has to be redeemable for a equivalent value of silver hundreds of social programs would have to end social security would be instantly broke government sponsored programs and schools would have to close and wages would go back to about seventy five cents an hour for average labor and skilled labor back to $2 / hr. i dont know much about this thats why i made no comment in the prior post. unlike many in this ng i dont attack someones view if i know nothing about it. you seem to know much about the past and that seems to drive your views now. miles seems to be very locked into the present. and i tend to be long term ... at times too long term ... in my thinking. the 3 of our minds put together would make a perfect president ... or perhaps the perfect nut case ; environmental science is mostly a theoretical field little empirical testing iirc. it is one of the younger fields of science. but make no mistake ... the research involved is quite intense. i fact the number of experiments and research projects required drive most would be graduates away from the field. lol no but ability to hold on to a tree with the grip of a log chain might be a qualification. bg perhaps. as i mentioned i dont know the qualifications to become an executive of the epa. to your point the epa by its very nature tends to attract folks that are concerned about the land. you call them tree huggers i call them conservationists. for my birthday 4 years ago i was given a t-shirt that had cartman from southpark the fat one on the front with the caption its all a bunch of tree huggin hippy crap. my friends all staunch republicans got the biggest laugh as did i. now that is the shirt i change the oil in. ; but first you have to get rid of lawyers and politicians. and there is the problem. it takes politicians and lawyers to get rid of politicians and lawyers. never gonna happen. tom has a problem with being told hes wrong and has no compunction to limit the aggressiveness of his attacks to non-personal things. i am only familiar with tom lawrence. he is very knowledgable on dodge issues which is all i have ever read by him. takes all kinds to make the world a better place budd ... even tree huggers. ; no bush would be baked beans . . .or . . . hmmm . . . . . . . . ive wondered if there is any relation. ill have to look into that. if there is that would explain why he is full of hot air. air it. i saw 9-11 and it would be close minded on my part not to watch the equivalent from the other point of view. but the dems dont want you to . . .it might hurt their candidate . . whats good for the goose ... especially congress than most people realize. thats why people need to get out and vote. absolutely. my fiance will be voting for the first time in her 39 years this election. yep until the government decided it could do better and convinced the average person of it. the prime justification it would free up the lives of the children. i dont get along with my folks but when they get to the point that they cant live without assistance the responsibility falls on me as it should for everyone regardless of what

From : john smith

learning from your mistakes is a sign of intelligence. sure is and in an election year its also political suicide. intelligent people dont generally commit suicide much to your chagrin. .

From : john smith

lets see we have american citizens imprisoned with out charges being filled no legal representation and being held in isolation. we have tortured and abused prisoners. we have passed a law allowing the fbi to snoop into what books we read. we have oil companies and defense contractors telling our government what to do. the current administration has mounted the most far reaching attack on our personal freedoms in history. twice now in my life time we have pulled our nation out of a military based economy and now bush has dragged us right back into another military based economy. is there something else for this country to be proud of besides our ability to kill our fellow man jam whew! good rant. you were definitely a howard dean supporter. unfortunately kerry does not fill the void for you except for the bush hating part of you. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john smith

john z kerry wrote kerry was in high-speed spin control all day today after calling cheneys daughter a lesbian on national tv during the debates last night. kerrys campaign manager made it worse by calling cheneys daughter fair game. of course it backfired on the dumocrats today as even members of the liberal media told kerry he stepped way over the line by attacking cheneys family. why did kerry do this it was a veiled attempt to cause division in bushs base but it too failed and bush jumped yet higher in todays polls. where is dan rather when kerry needs him i noticed that. kerry is getting alot of backlash for his statement and is squirming to get away from it. yup and looking at all the major sources today kerrys bunch has gone into the second day of spin control on this one. not good a second day of spin control by either side means lost votes. in this case theyre saying kerry has lost female votes and probably the moderate to conservative gay vote as well. kerrys dumb ass campaign manager made it even worse by calling cheneys daughter fair game on national tv. this from the party of sensitivity to gays. rotflmao! this one is gonna cost em votes big time! even funnier when you consider kerrys purpose in doing what he did. it was to upset bushs base. now it has backfired on kerry! lol! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

core values george bush & tony blair are mass murders //remainder flushed// you are a very sick boy. if you dont get help at charter then get it somewhere. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote the nra over 4 million strong announced its endorsement of bush today. hmmmm kerry said he was a hunter and a gun owner last night at the debates wonder why the nra did not endorse kerry instead hunter my ass! kerry never met a gun control law he didnt like and that puts him to the far left out of step with mainstream gun owning americans. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses nra member i was a member of the nra until they became a political action committee for the extreme right wing of the republican party. jam no ya werent. give me the secret codes if you was a member john z kerry president t-bone steak houses what a load of crap. meaningless bs question jam .

From : theguy

john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote here is a classic example of the liberal myth. that all or even most businesses are corrupt and greedy. if liberals had their way then corporations would be reduced to miniscule profits and the incentive to achieve and grow would be minimized. there is some truth to the greed and corruption issue but what liberals want has great negative impact on far more than just the few corrupt corporations. very simply put liberals are all for having an intrusive big all-knowing all-protective bureaucratic federal government control all facets of our lives. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses jeewiz that sounds just like the way we are living now under the current administration. jam give an example. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses lets see we have american citizens imprisoned with out charges being filled no legal representation and being held in isolation. we have tortured and abused prisoners. we have passed a law allowing the fbi to snoop into what books we read. we have oil companies and defense contractors telling our government what to do. the current administration has mounted the most far reaching attack on our personal freedoms in history. twice now in my life time we have pulled our nation out of a military based economy and now bush has dragged us right back into another military based economy. is there something else for this country to be proud of besides our ability to kill our fellow man jam .

From : john smith

on fri 15 oct 2004 032132 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote theguy wrote on fri 15 oct 2004 015436 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush no core values just hatred of bush. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses core values george bush & tony blair are mass murders your opinion. i dont share it. the debates are over and no one has discussed the subject of the mass murder of over 13000 civilians in iraq. http//www.iraqbodycount.net/ you just did! george bush claims that terrorists do not value human life. i think that is pretty understated. he claims that pro choice advocates do not respect the sanctity of human life. he has. we disagree. he has repeatedly stated that he would do it all over again if given the chance. good. learning from your mistakes is a sign of intelligence. and you would know how this morning i listened to tony blair refuse to apologize to the british people for leading them into an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. pretty poor style of argument. i dont think that he refused to apologize for an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. is that his exact words no i think that is your words. putting your words into his mouth and stating it as fact is lying. you are a liar. we have been lied to and miss led by the current administration of george bush dick cheney paul wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld into paying with the lives of our soldiers and the lives of more than 13000 innocent iraqis to soothe their enormous egos. yes we have just been lied to by you. all the other issues in this election pale to insignificance in the face of the mass murder of innocent peoples. the democrats are big spenders and so are the republicans. the difference is that the democrats will spend our money on people. the republicans will spend our money on killing people. when you make your choice on election day choose life. oh man so it is just as simple as choosing life or death you may be correct but you may have your candidates switched around a little bit. jam jam i am sure that your long winded drivel impressed yourself but it didnt impress me in the least. just more stupid naivety from another idiot. i tried and failed to make is simple enough for you to under stand. jam lol. for me to under stand you pseudo intellectual. that means fake intellectual im convinced i have to explain that to you. you are an absolute moron trying so hard to make yourself feel like an intellect. you have no idea what you are talking about. what a geek. got a new computer huh just had to get on a ng somewhere huh what are you about 15 years old if you look at one of his above posts i would guess him at 22 years old very simple and a victim of outcome based education. give him some time well see how he does at good old hku. .

From : john z kerry

that is frustrating as hell.. i hope somebody hears water dripping all night!! denny i think you meant this http//www.iei.net/usa1/www/reaction.html ken heres something to play with. www.iei.net/usa1/reaction .

From : theguy

on 14 oct 2004 110340 -0700 randolfscott@hotmail.com stuart wrote id be glad to look at the specs you like so much only the deutzusa site doesnt seem to have the engine you are talking so much about. uhhh...you are spitting silliness. the bf4m2013c & bf6m2013c are both automotive engines. what more do you want when did i say everything would be the same. do you think im naive if i read his post correctly he said hed like to see the specs. its not splitting silliness - volkswagon makes an automotive diesel engine too but i dont believe that it would be suitable for the application in my dodge ram. .

From : theguy

on fri 15 oct 2004 032330 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote the nra over 4 million strong announced its endorsement of bush today. hmmmm kerry said he was a hunter and a gun owner last night at the debates wonder why the nra did not endorse kerry instead hunter my ass! kerry never met a gun control law he didnt like and that puts him to the far left out of step with mainstream gun owning americans. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses nra member i was a member of the nra until they became a political action committee for the extreme right wing of the republican party. jam no ya werent. give me the secret codes if you was a member john z kerry president t-bone steak houses what a load of crap. meaningless bs question jam ok then explain how they do the secret handshake. .

From : theguy

on thu 14 oct 2004 202546 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote j. a. m. wrote nothing but meaningless wise cracks. is this the best you can do and this means something because ill clue you in on something. its not a contest here to see who can do the best. wtf what planet are you from. of course it is you fool. .

From : miles

j. a. m. wrote so called conservative republicans are neither conservative or republican in their thinking. the are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. they see compromise as a dirty word and will not tolerate a difference of opinion. they live in a black and white world and make things difficult for the rest of us that live somewhere in the gray area of moderation. its the people on the extream left and the extream right that make the rest of us suffer. your last part of yoru last statement is the only one that makes any sense. extreme on both sides serves little good. the rest of your rhetoric attempts to single out one group and is well how do you say meaningless .

From : miles

john z kerry wrote kerry was in high-speed spin control all day today after calling cheneys daughter a lesbian on national tv during the debates last night. kerrys campaign manager made it worse by calling cheneys daughter fair game. of course it backfired on the dumocrats today as even members of the liberal media told kerry he stepped way over the line by attacking cheneys family. why did kerry do this it was a veiled attempt to cause division in bushs base but it too failed and bush jumped yet higher in todays polls. where is dan rather when kerry needs him i noticed that. kerry is getting alot of backlash for his statement and is squirming to get away from it. .

From : miles

j. a. m. wrote nothing but meaningless wise cracks. is this the best you can do and this means something because ill clue you in on something. its not a contest here to see who can do the best. .

From : j a m

j. a. m. wrote your answer tells it all i me me mine have you ever had any consideration for anyone that wasnt you here we have the ever so classic liberal logic. i talked about me and my family because that is who i know. i do not try to speak for nor control others. now then i am not you so have some consideration. .

From : john z kerry

jerry wrote john z kerry wrote does anybody know what he is talking about yeah hes suffering .................... probable since birth. jerry just another meaningless wise crack. jam .

From : miles

hmm you never did prove i was a failure but everytime you post your insecurity shows. yes i did. i doubt that the grass cutting buisness ever existed and if it did and you were really givng your family that much money and they were still trying to collect welfare that shows what kind of stock you come from. as for the other two both failures were yours for both signing an idiotic contract and the other for not planning ahead. whether you believe or not that i had a lawn service doesnt matter your word has less than zero value for truthfulness. as for the others fine believe what ever your little mind can handle. i hope someday you find yourself in the same situtations. that doesnt sound very christian like of you. and you make the common error of think christians are not allowed to defend themselves or their families. the scripture says to turn the other cheek and god only gave me two. really most people have four. i guess that it all depends on how you look at it. and you wonder why i snip so much . . . . . but i doubt you will learn from it. i doubt that i would ever let it happen. ah finally an admission that you are unwilling to learn. thanks! lol that is not what i meant but ill let you have that one. and you confirm it . . .wow. the incident with the post from my sis-in-law no but good point and not even 24 hrs after attacking me for doing the same thing lol. i guess that its ok when you do it though. the difference was i retracted the post and actually learned a bit from the incident. you still argued yours was right. no i didnt and you know it. i actually said the same thing that you did that i got it froma trusted source and didnt check it. that is far from defending it or saying that i was right. and you were the first one to start crap with me about it saying that i dont believe in accuracy and you do and then less than 24 hrs later do the same damn thing. retraction or not you still did it and we all saw it and it wouldnt have mattered at all if you didnt complain about someone else doing it first lol. thats not how i remember it but then you never remember things as i do. now this we can agree on. and you missed the point that you will twist corrupt and even lie to save your sorry butt. are you dredging up about that incident with roy that everyone would forget if you didnt keep dragging it up troll. but then troublemaking is your entire life and joy isnt it wuss lol yep thats the one and why should we forget it. if you were everything that you claim to be then it never should have happened. hell you followed him around posting crap sorta like you tries to do to me. the difference is that i have no problem stooping down to your level while roy did. if you dont want me to bring it up then stop trying to make yourself out to be better than me because history says it aint so. lol history says im better than you when im at my worst and youre just a little idiotic troll. only in that tiny little mind of yours. ditto but your mind on pin point would look like a quark lost in the entire universe. i know that you can do better than this. nope sorry the only way i could do better is point out i was bragging up the size of your brain. btw this is the first time i ever brought the topic of that incident up. the last 3 or twenty times has always been you throwing in my face little boy. 3 or twenty huh. is this more of that fuzzy math of yours again you also said that you would never bring it up again and here it is. i guess that makes you a liar as well. only because you forced the issue. still your fault. ok its my fault you win. well see if you keep your word or not. unlike you i dont keep score on things like how many times i show you to be a an idiot. come on tom is that all the better you can do come on see if you can find more to make yourself look like a childish ass. its so funny watching you kicking your heels against the floor like a baby having a temper tantrum. lol now that would be you. every post we are in turns into a crying match started by you. trying to spin out by changing the subject troll what subject would that be your complete idiocy. come on you show us even better what an immature brain dead little idiot you are. youre such a pathetic little crybaby. you havent had the maturity to even comment on the ford website that proves you were wrong about the k$n filters. lol what for. when i do comment you complain when i dont you complain anyway. make up your mind already. i did notice that ford rated k&n as one of the highest flowing filters and iirc said you could see a few extra hp with it in a high performance engine. they even said that economically it could be better because of its reusable nat

From : john z kerry

on fri 15 oct 2004 015436 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush no core values just hatred of bush. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses core values george bush & tony blair are mass murders your opinion. i dont share it. the debates are over and no one has discussed the subject of the mass murder of over 13000 civilians in iraq. http//www.iraqbodycount.net/ you just did! george bush claims that terrorists do not value human life. i think that is pretty understated. he claims that pro choice advocates do not respect the sanctity of human life. he has. we disagree. he has repeatedly stated that he would do it all over again if given the chance. good. learning from your mistakes is a sign of intelligence. and you would know how this morning i listened to tony blair refuse to apologize to the british people for leading them into an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. pretty poor style of argument. i dont think that he refused to apologize for an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. is that his exact words no i think that is your words. putting your words into his mouth and stating it as fact is lying. you are a liar. we have been lied to and miss led by the current administration of george bush dick cheney paul wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld into paying with the lives of our soldiers and the lives of more than 13000 innocent iraqis to soothe their enormous egos. yes we have just been lied to by you. all the other issues in this election pale to insignificance in the face of the mass murder of innocent peoples. the democrats are big spenders and so are the republicans. the difference is that the democrats will spend our money on people. the republicans will spend our money on killing people. when you make your choice on election day choose life. oh man so it is just as simple as choosing life or death you may be correct but you may have your candidates switched around a little bit. jam jam i am sure that your long winded drivel impressed yourself but it didnt impress me in the least. just more stupid naivety from another idiot. .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote the nra over 4 million strong announced its endorsement of bush today. hmmmm kerry said he was a hunter and a gun owner last night at the debates wonder why the nra did not endorse kerry instead hunter my ass! kerry never met a gun control law he didnt like and that puts him to the far left out of step with mainstream gun owning americans. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses nra member i was a member of the nra until they became a political action committee for the extreme right wing of the republican party. jam no ya werent. give me the secret codes if you was a member john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

hmm you never did prove i was a failure but everytime you post your insecurity shows. yes i did. i doubt that the grass cutting buisness ever existed and if it did and you were really givng your family that much money and they were still trying to collect welfare that shows what kind of stock you come from. as for the other two both failures were yours for both signing an idiotic contract and the other for not planning ahead. whether you believe or not that i had a lawn service doesnt matter your word has less than zero value for truthfulness. as for the others fine believe what ever your little mind can handle. i hope someday you find yourself in the same situtations. that doesnt sound very christian like of you. and you make the common error of think christians are not allowed to defend themselves or their families. the scripture says to turn the other cheek and god only gave me two. really most people have four. i guess that it all depends on how you look at it. but i doubt you will learn from it. i doubt that i would ever let it happen. ah finally an admission that you are unwilling to learn. thanks! lol that is not what i meant but ill let you have that one. the incident with the post from my sis-in-law no but good point and not even 24 hrs after attacking me for doing the same thing lol. i guess that its ok when you do it though. the difference was i retracted the post and actually learned a bit from the incident. you still argued yours was right. no i didnt and you know it. i actually said the same thing that you did that i got it froma trusted source and didnt check it. that is far from defending it or saying that i was right. and you were the first one to start crap with me about it saying that i dont believe in accuracy and you do and then less than 24 hrs later do the same damn thing. retraction or not you still did it and we all saw it and it wouldnt have mattered at all if you didnt complain about someone else doing it first lol. thats not how i remember it but then you never remember things as i do. now this we can agree on. are you dredging up about that incident with roy that everyone would forget if you didnt keep dragging it up troll. but then troublemaking is your entire life and joy isnt it wuss lol yep thats the one and why should we forget it. if you were everything that you claim to be then it never should have happened. hell you followed him around posting crap sorta like you tries to do to me. the difference is that i have no problem stooping down to your level while roy did. if you dont want me to bring it up then stop trying to make yourself out to be better than me because history says it aint so. lol history says im better than you when im at my worst and youre just a little idiotic troll. only in that tiny little mind of yours. ditto but your mind on pin point would look like a quark lost in the entire universe. i know that you can do better than this. btw this is the first time i ever brought the topic of that incident up. the last 3 or twenty times has always been you throwing in my face little boy. 3 or twenty huh. is this more of that fuzzy math of yours again you also said that you would never bring it up again and here it is. i guess that makes you a liar as well. only because you forced the issue. still your fault. ok its my fault you win. unlike you i dont keep score on things like how many times i show you to be a an idiot. come on tom is that all the better you can do come on see if you can find more to make yourself look like a childish ass. its so funny watching you kicking your heels against the floor like a baby having a temper tantrum. lol now that would be you. every post we are in turns into a crying match started by you. trying to spin out by changing the subject troll what subject would that be your complete idiocy. come on you show us even better what an immature brain dead little idiot you are. youre such a pathetic little crybaby. you havent had the maturity to even comment on the ford website that proves you were wrong about the k$n filters. lol what for. when i do comment you complain when i dont you complain anyway. make up your mind already. i did notice that ford rated k&n as one of the highest flowing filters and iirc said you could see a few extra hp with it in a high performance engine. they even said that economically it could be better because of its reusable nature. and nothing about them destroying an engine. there is that better. so if you really looked at it at all and i doubt you did how did you miss the evidence that said k$n filters pass more dirt which means more wear. i know it doesnt say anything about destroying an engine but it does say the engine will wear faster

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote kerry was in high-speed spin control all day today after calling cheneys daughter a lesbian on national tv during the debates last night. kerrys campaign manager made it worse by calling cheneys daughter fair game. of course it backfired on the dumocrats today as even members of the liberal media told kerry he stepped way over the line by attacking cheneys family. why did kerry do this it was a veiled attempt to cause division in bushs base but it too failed and bush jumped yet higher in todays polls. where is dan rather when kerry needs him john z kerry president t-bone steak houses everyone that has been paying attention for the last six months knows that cheneys daughter is a lesbian. your spinning so fast your dizzy. jam .

From : j a m

budd cochran wrote you might call it a good suggestion but please do not include me in your group next time. its still a commandment to me. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. today we call that a good suggestion not rules to live healthy and productive lives by or to run governments with..... christians jews and muslims all trace their root to the old testament and the ten commandments. its to bad that the commandment thou shall not kill hasnt stopped either group from killing each other by the millions. jam .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote core values george bush & tony blair are mass murders //remainder flushed// you are a very sick boy. if you dont get help at charter then get it somewhere. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses yes i am sick. im sick of the truth being obscured by meaningless wise cracks and lying politicians. the biggest spending presidents in the history of our nation were/are republicans. the democrats are big spenders. the republicans are big spenders. the democrats spend our money on people. the republicans spend our money on killing people. jam .

From : john z kerry

so called conservative republicans are neither conservative or republican in their thinking. the are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. they see compromise as a dirty word and will not tolerate a difference of opinion. they live in a black and white world and make things difficult for the rest of us that live somewhere in the gray area of moderation. its the people on the extream left and the extream right that make the rest of us suffer. jam does anybody know what he is talking about john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

miles wrote john kunkel wrote unlike the core values of a conservative that has him opposed to social change unless it benefits himself is someone who wants the government to butt out of corporations rights to steal and abuse people here is a classic example of the liberal myth. that all or even most businesses are corrupt and greedy. if liberals had their way then corporations would be reduced to miniscule profits and the incentive to achieve and grow would be minimized. there is some truth to the greed and corruption issue but what liberals want has great negative impact on far more than just the few corrupt corporations. there is no truth at all in your second sentence. jam .

From : j a m

i truly wish i could believe you but i dont dare. youve lied about it too many times for me to just accept what you say. ive only reacted to your assaults toward me. the golden rule works both ways tom. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. that goes both ways budd but not anymore. you take this far to personally and it was never my intent to hurt or belittle you although as i can see it it definitely looks that way. i apologize for going over the line with your background. reading it again i realized that i really had no right to go there and theguy was right. this constant attack mode is getting old and silly and i really just dont have the time or desire to continue with it. if you feel that you must go for it but im done. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : j a m

kerry was in high-speed spin control all day today after calling cheneys daughter a lesbian on national tv during the debates last night. kerrys campaign manager made it worse by calling cheneys daughter fair game. of course it backfired on the dumocrats today as even members of the liberal media told kerry he stepped way over the line by attacking cheneys family. why did kerry do this it was a veiled attempt to cause division in bushs base but it too failed and bush jumped yet higher in todays polls. where is dan rather when kerry needs him john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

budd cochran wrote you dont understand the limitations set on the presidency do you a president is not a monarch that can set down laws on a whim. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. miles wrote ken wrote we seen his work gwb............... time for a change. sure cant hurt! its like russian roulette gwb is a dud load the next chamber! except that weve seen 20 years of kerrys work in the senate and its not good. too bad democrats dont take notice of what kerry has done for 20 years. not to mention what edwards has done or didnt do that he should have. what can 1 of 100 senators do in comparison to 1 of 1 presidents apples and oranges. our current president seams to think he can. jam .

From : j a m

miles wrote kevin wrote if you knew how the system works...the president cant really do anything unless it is approved by congress. the president can propose a bill to be put in for approval to the congree and he can sign or veto a bill that the congress passed. so to rephrase the previous questions...what has either of them proposed or approved how many bills is kerrys name on dont count the ones that are just resolutions. and this over a 20 year period too. go ahead look it up and be amazed at how little can be done in 20 years. im amazed at how many deadly mistakes one man can make in three years. over 14000 and still counting. jam .

From : j a m

miles wrote ken wrote we seen his work gwb............... time for a change. sure cant hurt! its like russian roulette gwb is a dud load the next chamber! except that weve seen 20 years of kerrys work in the senate and its not good. too bad democrats dont take notice of what kerry has done for 20 years. not to mention what edwards has done or didnt do that he should have. more meaningless wise cracks. jam .

From : j a m

miles wrote tbone wrote you keep saying this miles but you have yet to ever create this list. quit with the complete bs tbone. you and i have discussed many things over the months to which you disagree 100%. i went on to mention items i agreed with kerry on yet your 100% political bias continued. and now you make this bonehead statement. what that indicates is that you have a 100% memory failure. the reason is probably because you are profiting off of the misery of others and dont want to make that known. another blanket politically motivated trolling deragatory baseless statement from the bonehead. is that your best factless attack you can do iirc your company works in the it industry probably in software. wow two statements about me which you have no knowledge and so you guess. my company is not a software company although we do produce some specialized as a minor product. how come you never say what your business is i dont want the name of your company so it is not a privacy issue just what you do. i work in the force and torque transducer business. it encompasses many industries of all areas. you use them almost daily without knowing it. now does it really matter to you i could care less what you do. well i have to go watch bush lose another debate talk to ya later. considering there is no set standard for which to score a debate its a matter of political bias that determines who wins. well in your case its whatever the experts on the media tell you. nothing but meaningless wise cracks. is this the best you can do jam .

From : j a m

tbone wrote you keep saying this miles but you have yet to ever create this list. the reason is probably because you are profiting off of the misery of others and dont want to make that known. iirc your company works in the it industry probably in software. how come you never say what your business is i dont want the name of your company so it is not a privacy issue just what you do. well i have to go watch bush lose another debate talk to ya later. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ken wrote i think you need to make a list of good things gwb if any hes done and mistakes hes made. sit back and look really hard! please dont list the big tax refund we got. because that just shows how little money it takes to buy votes. i could list several that in my view has helped me my family my company and the country as a whole. however your question is politicaly motivated. there is nothing youd agree with. now your very same question could be asked of kerry. make a list of good things john fn kerry has done over his 20 years in the senate. how about just the last 4 years this is the conservative method. you must answer difficult and complicate question with meaningless wise cracks. that is all bush has been doing for five years. jam .

From : clyde

john z kerry wrote an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush no core values just hatred of bush. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses core values george bush & tony blair are mass murders the debates are over and no one has discussed the subject of the mass murder of over 13000 civilians in iraq. http//www.iraqbodycount.net/ george bush claims that terrorists do not value human life. he claims that pro choice advocates do not respect the sanctity of human life. he has repeatedly stated that he would do it all over again if given the chance. learning from your mistakes is a sign of intelligence. this morning i listened to tony blair refuse to apologize to the british people for leading them into an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. we have been lied to and miss led by the current administration of george bush dick cheney paul wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld into paying with the lives of our soldiers and the lives of more than 13000 innocent iraqis to soothe their enormous egos. all the other issues in this election pale to insignificance in the face of the mass murder of innocent peoples. the democrats are big spenders and so are the republicans. the difference is that the democrats will spend our money on people. the republicans will spend our money on killing people. when you make your choice on election day choose life. jam .

From : mike simmons

on thu 14 oct 2004 202924 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote heres something to play with. www.iei.net/usa1/reaction ooops it isnt working. sorry roy sure it is bro.. your reactions are just so fast you didnt notice it.. 4s all the time. bro did you catch the piece on abc about the wias over 4k of them. anyway it seems the govt. isnt doing shit for them. sound familiar one guy is living in his friggin car cause sam ruined his credit unfuckinbelievable! well it would be if it didnt happen before. roy .

From : miles

n971 wrote what can 1 of 100 senators do in comparison to 1 of 1 presidents apples and oranges. i see. kerrys record in politics is irrelevant when running for president. rofl! 20 years and how many bills has kerrys name on it i dont even have to take my shoes off to add them up! .

From : miles

greg surratt wrote on wed 13 oct 2004 172035 gmt nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote the 33 tires are located at the bottom of the truck. they are the black round things touching the ground. the winch is mounted behind the front bumper. its the thing with the cable spooled on a drum. ;^ check out this picture. http//www.dodgeboy.net//powerwagon/images/791425t2005101jpg.jpg technical specifications can also be found at http//www.allpar.com/model/ram/power-wagon.html . thanks. my bust. i didnt pay attention to picture of the underside of the front end. 4.56 gears - definitely not a highway truck! i want one but they are a bit spendy. power wagon regular cab 6 speed - $36660 automatic - $37830. power wagon quad cab 6 speed - $39125 automatic - $40295. .

From : budd cochran

what motivates conservative republicans three things ignorance hatred greed no fair! you copied hatred. make up your own words. errrr while were at it what motivates moderate republicans conservative democrats liberal republicans moderate democrats libertarians communists socialists i am waiting with baited breath for your esteemed reply. ahem john.... thats bated breath..... ;^ your breath is only baited if youve been eating worms! mike john z kerry president t-bone steak houses what motivates my employees is more pay .

From : john z kerry

easy there hes not the troll that t-bone is. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. the same thing that motivates right-wing overly-conservative war-mongering republicans a narrow and closed mind. craig c. war-mongering i take offense to that! i run a peace loving business selling t-bone steaks. did you ever consider who hates war the most think about it and ill then discuss part two with you. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

pkb pot-kettle-black. abortionists gays now gang environmental wackos animal rights nuts unions etc. will only vote for liberal democrats. another in a long list of erroneous statements. keep back pedalling! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

tbone wrote no actually its 1. fear fear and understanding is what both sides lacked prior to 9/11. kerry wants to return us to those good ol days. yes komrad kerry says hell return things to when terrorism was just a nuisance. hmmm how many terrorist attacks per year constitute a nuisance no problem kerry has a program for that. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : miles

ahem john.... thats bated breath..... ;^ your breath is only baited if youve been eating worms! mike thank you for the constructive criticism. looks like i blew the spelling and maybe the usage too but i do not require a bloated bureaucratic government spelling assistance program staffed by thousands of government employees all of whom are union members to help me improve. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses trying to improve spelling while earning a living without government hand outs .

From : tbone

i think you meant this http//www.iei.net/usa1/www/reaction.html ken heres something to play with. www.iei.net/usa1/reaction .

From : mike simmons

though i see all these city buses driving past my office window and they are all running on four cylinder cats....hmmm...those silly bus drivers. someone had better go tell them they are not practical and to halt their silliness ; really if so id like to see a model number on them. sorry i should have said four banger detroits...not cats. .

From : john z kerry

personally i thought the car looked great except for those darn rubber band tired wheels. i agree. *what is* this facination recently with gigantic rims ive seen 4x4s with rubber band tires! wtf i sure dont understand it. with the condition of most city streets because whatever reason id be afraid of busting rims because theres no room for the sidewall to absorb a pothole impact. ah ... this explains some of why we disagree. i too am driven to some degree on this subject by my beliefs. i believe that this earth is all we have and it is all we are going to have ... at least in my lifetime. therefore i am looking a little further ahead than you perhaps. well i have yet to find an evolutionist that can explain the discrepancies of the evolutionary timeline as well as the scientificly proven evidence from genisis. the biggest problem with evolution is its not provable with empirical testing. evolution is awefully deep for this forum ... besides being agnostic im not sure that i believe in evolution. ; lol i used to be agnostic but i wasnt sure about it. ; i suggest we take the spiritual side of this to email if you wish i dont wish upset certain persons. if you wish to do so just remove the spam from my email address. just with a quick glance at my niv and kjv bibles i cant locate that verse do you know where it is agreed. i will email you today. excellent!!! i agree that often other options should be considered but americans are spoiled brats. you can say that again. is small enough i have to put the top half way down to change my mind but seriously it is fun it gets about 5 miles per gallon more 26 vs. 21 than my old d-150 with a 318 but on the other hand i cant fiddle with it to get more mpg or performance like i could the truck. i drive a 99 cavalier ack to work everyday. it gets about 30 mpg compared to my truck 02 ram 1500 360 4wd that gets 11.5 mpg with a tail wind going down hill with the engine turned off. ; when i first got my old truck 79 d-150 longbed 318 auto p.s. p.b. 3.55 axle in 96 it got 14.7 on the highway. checking with the trucks first owners blm showed it had a little over 100k miles on it when sold. when i got it there was over 200k on it so i did a backyard overhaul when the bores mike at only 0.004 oversize and the rods and mains were 0.0005 undersize. while it was down since neither co nor ut check emissions i took it basically back to 1972 specs no cat no egr low restriction exhaust then tuned the vacuum advance for best economy. i figure a 45% increase in economy is pretty good. when i traded it to my son for the lebaron i had put a homemade tonneau cover on it and he now gets about 23 mpg highway. i beg to differ. people of middle eastern decent have no problem drilling that wasteland for $$. in fact they would likely disappear if they didnt. which that alone is a great reason to reduce our dependency ... i hope i didnt read what i think you said. cut them off and let them die what i meant by disappear is not the people but the issues the middle eastern countries cause. if they dont have the $$ one of two things will happen 1 they will all kill each other or 2 they will actually move forward and present something else of value research technology etc to the world. i hope its the latter but something tells me it will be the former. in either case its something that they need to resolve without our assistance. the problem between the islamic and the israelites is one that has gone on for centuries. from biblical history both are the descendants of abraham and the islamic since they were born first of a handmaid . . a servant then they think they have all the rights to the area. traditionally only the children of a wife the israelites can claim an inheritance . . .and there lies the problem. anyway bedouins think that same wasteland is the most beautiful place on the planet and they are the majority of the populace there. is the term wasteland your opinion or theirs i know nothing of the bedouins. i will have to look into that. here again do we go by your opinion of what is wasteland or the opinion of the local residents. when i said moab ut was beautiful i meant it but i dont care to live here. i like moab. i live in dallas ... and its butt ugly. i still dont want it drilled however. ah you have to watch out for old ranger walker . . . .well the film crews anyway. ive never been to big d big im not one for big cities anyway . ..too much redneck blood in these veins i guess. vbg i plan to move back to the co mountains next spring. i snow ski twice a year in colorado. i would like to have some land in steamboat springs. beautiful country but even the indians will tell you how the white man screwed up the beauty. tried skiing once . . . then i found out no one makes training wheels for

From : craig christian

woah! good one. mac davis wrote on thu 14 oct 2004 121952 gmt scottdaily@comcast.net wrote wicked check this file red has a web site *bg* .

From : john kunkel

he forgot the verse thou shall not kill! verse isnt that a commandment what about leviticus 2416 17 21 .

From : miles

john kunkel wrote unlike the core values of a conservative that has him opposed to social change unless it benefits himself is someone who wants the government to butt out of corporations rights to steal and abuse people here is a classic example of the liberal myth. that all or even most businesses are corrupt and greedy. if liberals had their way then corporations would be reduced to miniscule profits and the incentive to achieve and grow would be minimized. there is some truth to the greed and corruption issue but what liberals want has great negative impact on far more than just the few corrupt corporations. .

From : mike simmons

craig christian wrote frankly you are too extreme to reason with imo. my father use to tell me when i was a boy and was very hard headed that talking to me was like talking to a telephone pole. i never understood what meant until i got older ... and im beginning to feel that way about you. again perhaps its my fault for not communicating properly. nevertheless this discussion is not going anywhere. perhaps you should look at yourself the same way you view me or others. you seem to expect me to buy into your logic because you say so. thats not the way it works. i feel you are not being realistic about the problems we face today. sure we must work for the future with alternatives and that work must take place today. but that does nothing for what we face today. you seem to completely ignore the daily needs of people now here today. where you and i do agree is the need to be actively working on alternative energy sources. but you cant ignore the needs of people today. doing so has and will continue to cause us problems in the future. the plans we make today for the future will become the present tomorrow. i would say that the most important issue in our society is energy. without it were sunk. the solutions in place now that rely heavily on fossil fuel is not a long term solution and if we do not start looking for a better solution we will get caught without pants down. no disagreement there from me. again you and i disagree with how to deal with the needs of people today while at the same time work on alternatives for the future. i chose to not ignore our needs for today the short term. we need oil today and at the same time we need to work to not need it in the future. i have heard nothing from you to address our current needs today. ignoring it is not a good plan. for one ... i dont believe that there is enough oil under the u.s. to sustain us for long. hmm this seems to be contradictory to your earlier statements. if we work on alternatives for tomorrow then the need to sustain it for long becomes moot. so now youre saying we do need to sustain oil for long hybrid automobiles are trickling into the market. at this point and time they arent very practicle at least for me. if there were focus by the energy companies automobile companies and most importantly the federal government we could have practical hybrid vehicles on the road within 5 years which would very likely cut our oil consumption by 1/3. focus what is focus it takes money $s lots of it. thats the only thing that will drive alternatives. i do not feel you grasp the reality of the situation. you think the gov. is the cure. just tax everyone large amounts to pay for research grants right no way will that even come close to working. youd have to raise taxes way more than the economy could handle and do so for an extended period of time. the technology to have something pratical out in 5 years does not exist. that answers your concern of reducing our dependency on foriegn oil. while the hyrid vehicles are coming to market over the next 5 years the r&d wienies are working on the next generation vehicles that hopefully could be to market within 10 years ... and those if the hydrogen technology is pursued would pretty much cut our oil consumption down to the point that what we do produce here in the states currently would be enough ... and we certainly would be using a small enough amount that we wouldnt have to get it from the middle east. 10 years is way too optomistic. industry needs a faster payback of the billions it needs to invest to make it fully practicle and sellable to the general public. the technology might be there by then but not the money. the only place for that kind of money to come from is the consumer not the gov. consumers are very slow to accept new technology. perhaps i am wrong ... but the information i have read indicates that crude oil is just not something that is in abundance here. i believe that to be a false statement. trouble is democrats wont even allow exploratory drilling to find out for our future needs. the oil companies say theres a good chance its there the democrats say its not. i think we need to find out one way or another but dems wont allow it. the truth is miles we made our bed knowing full well that we would always be dependent on other countries for oil. now we are having to lay in it. and instead of solving the problem once and for all bush and his deciples want to put a bandaid on this by drilling here. its short sided ... and stupid imo. no it is not short sided. it is dealing with the known problems we face today while at the same time looking for alternatives for the future. working towards the future and ignoring today is stupid and destined for trouble. alternatives could be adequate with a small amount of money and effort. but that small amount of m

From : budd cochran

is it ok to run the 15w40 in -20 and colder if you keep it plugged in you should switch to 10w30 for those temps and still use the block heater. for filters nothing but fleetguard. i ended up getting an oem filter any real difference oh you mean the fleetguard filter thats painted gray and has a mopar logo on it yeah mopar filters are fleetguards just at a higher price. yep... 12qts. total. 11 in the pan one in the filter. i found my owners manual under the seat. its calling for 10 in the oil pan plus 1 in the filter for a total of 11. why the difference not sure... my 03 service manual also lists the engine as 11qts. total. however when i change the oil i pre-fill the filter then dump the rest of the three gallons of oil into the crankcase. after sitting for about 10 minutes give everything a chance to drain down the level is right at the top of the safe mark on the dipstick. try it at 11qts. total and see where the level is at. .

From : miles

i wouldnt worry about the gear ratio nate... there ate so many ram/cummins out there pulling 5th wheels and most seem to be the 3.55 gears... id say the truck was built to tow and it does it for years and years as set up.. i was hoping somebody would say that. anybody else agree also ive heard from someone running a 1500 but not a 2500/3500. is anybody running 285/75r16 on stock wheels on a 2500 on 3.54 gears thanks im running 285/75r17s on a 2500 hemi with .373 gears. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .

From : ken

flush the stsytem and add atf4 is there a specific power steering fluid for a 98 dodge dakota i dont know jack about power steering fluid cause ive never needed it but i discovered this afternoon that my truck had none and is producing an incredibly annoying whine and i cant find my owners manual. any help appreciated kevin .

From : jerry

hey guys i asked a towing question a few months ago concerning the towing capability of my 1998 1500 slt with 318 auto and rear ratio of 3.92 maybe a little fuzzy its late for me. got my answer thanks. now i was wondering if anyone has ever turned a 1500 into a 2500. the reason i ask is because i have just found for zero money a 360 truck engine. i just dont know if there is a difference with brakes springs tranny drive shaft/u-bolts engine mounts etc..... any help is appreciated. thanks jon skelton p.s. i sent this in plain text per previous group suggestion .

From : kevin

he forgot the verse thou shall not kill! he didnt forget; he has no core values and never did. kerry quoting the bible is probably the height of liberal hypocrisy! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : n971

and.....which common buyer would know this and which salesman would actually tell you the technicals. use your head here....as for me i opted for the brushed....but my associate and many others who belong to some fine dodge groups were not as highly intelligent as you are when it comes to the definition of chrome cladding. if anyone has any useful information....it would be appreciated. tia steve wrote has anyone had any luck with dc getting them to warranty the chrome pitting problems and while misleading their customers into thinking that they have chrome rims while they really have plastic hubcaps. thanks! by definition chrome is chromium or a chromium alloy or something plated with a chromium alloy or a pigment containing chromium. how is dc misleading anyone .

From : miles

miles wrote ken wrote we seen his work gwb............... time for a change. sure cant hurt! its like russian roulette gwb is a dud load the next chamber! except that weve seen 20 years of kerrys work in the senate and its not good. too bad democrats dont take notice of what kerry has done for 20 years. not to mention what edwards has done or didnt do that he should have. what can 1 of 100 senators do in comparison to 1 of 1 presidents apples and oranges. .

From : ken

you keep saying this miles but you have yet to ever create this list. the reason is probably because you are profiting off of the misery of others and dont want to make that known. iirc your company works in the it industry probably in software. how come you never say what your business is i dont want the name of your company so it is not a privacy issue just what you do. well i have to go watch bush lose another debate talk to ya later. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ken wrote i think you need to make a list of good things gwb if any hes done and mistakes hes made. sit back and look really hard! please dont list the big tax refund we got. because that just shows how little money it takes to buy votes. i could list several that in my view has helped me my family my company and the country as a whole. however your question is politicaly motivated. there is nothing youd agree with. now your very same question could be asked of kerry. make a list of good things john fn kerry has done over his 20 years in the senate. how about just the last 4 years .

From : tbone

on wed 13 oct 2004 000734 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote it was one of these deals where i walked into a conversation at the shop where the subject was how tough a bowling ball is. without thinking ole alligator mouth/hummingbird ass chirps up how his model 500 would drill a half inch hole clean thru it or pop it like a ripe watermelon. this debate went on most of a slow friday afternoon. monday morning the bowling ball mouth was asked where the ball is he didnt bring it in. ole am/ha declared the 500 the winner by default. at approx 930 a bowling ball comes rolling thru by bay along with various put up/shut up chants. at noon out in a 10 ft drainage ditch in the back field from about 25 yds the ole bowling ball laughed at this puny little runt of a pistol. tomorrow im taking three guys out for lunch. i need a bigger gun.......... denny for you gun nuts found in another group medical physicians a. the number of medical physicians in the u.s. is approx. 700000. b. accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120000. c. accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. statistics courtesy of u.s. dept. of health & human services now think about this guns a. the number of gun owners in the u.s. is 80000000. b. the number of accidental gun deaths per year all age groups is 1500. c. the number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.0000188. statistically medical doctors are approximately 9000 times more dangerous than gun owners. remember guns dont kill people doctors do! fact not everyone has a gun but almost everyone has at least one doctor. .

From : miles

on wed 13 oct 2004 220607 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote then why do you act like one lol act like what budd i forgot with you its not acting when youre an idiotic troll its just the real you peeking thru. do you mean like the old bitter failure that shows in you. hmm you never did prove i was a failure but everytime you post your insecurity shows. yes i did. i doubt that the grass cutting buisness ever existed and if it did and you were really givng your family that much money and they were still trying to collect welfare that shows what kind of stock you come from. as for the other two both failures were yours for both signing an idiotic contract and the other for not planning ahead. kind of bending over that line here arent we just getting a tad on the too personal side tom. i know budd does it too but either one of you could step back a little. the old proverbs go like this lie down with dogs and youll get up with fleas. if it looks like a duck quacks like a duck acts like a duck then it most likely is a duck. but that is your opinion and you being what i consider to be an extreme right wing puppet how much stock would i take in your opinion. no again youre wrong troll. those proverbs are from a long time ago when it still was important to be a viable part of a community whether it was your town nation or a little internet group. you really should practice what you preach for a change. right like you have any room to talk . . . .not. no more and no less than you do. tom have you ever considered the possibility that the whole reason you catch heck in this group is because of your attitudes toward others you are probably right but the funny thing is that you really are no better. the only real difference between us is that you are also on the extreme right wing with many here and i am not. if thety were true then id be catching it as much as you do but wait . . .no i dont. i only catch heck from the group troll you. lol because most of the biggest mouths in her are your friends. gee and i wonder why they dont attack you especially after the last one said that you were wrong and the whining went on for months. the incident with the post from my sis-in-law no but good point and not even 24 hrs after attacking me for doing the same thing lol. i guess that its ok when you do it though. are you dredging up about that incident with roy that everyone would forget if you didnt keep dragging it up troll. but then troublemaking is your entire life and joy isnt it wuss lol yep thats the one and why should we forget it. if you were everything that you claim to be then it never should have happened. hell you followed him around posting crap sorta like you tries to do to me. the difference is that i have no problem stooping down to your level while roy did. if you dont want me to bring it up then stop trying to make yourself out to be better than me because history says it aint so. come on tom is that all the better you can do come on see if you can find more to make yourself look like a childish ass. its so funny watching you kicking your heels against the floor like a baby having a temper tantrum. lol now that would be you. every post we are in turns into a crying match started by you. come on you show us even better what an immature brain dead little idiot you are. youre such a pathetic little crybaby. you havent had the maturity to even comment on the ford website that proves you were wrong about the k$n filters. lol what for. when i do comment you complain when i dont you complain anyway. make up your mind already. i did notice that ford rated k&n as one of the highest flowing filters and iirc said you could see a few extra hp with it in a high performance engine. they even said that economically it could be better because of its reusable nature. and nothing about them destroying an engine. there is that better. you quit the conversation about turbos as soon as you found out i had proof of what i said. what i did no such thing. unlike you i am busy sometimes but i did respond. you proved nothing. you said that you have a book big deal. it is obvious that you didnt understand what he was saying. that is obvious by the amount you cut out of your response to my last post lol. ya got the guts to let me set up a little test on turbos for you how about a test on mechanics you take them right here on the group where everyone can score you not just me. go for it pinhead but do it in the other thread so that i dont miss it. .

From : theguy

conservative he is. john to lighten things up a bit. just think of what cheneys daughter does all the time. not a thing wrong with that girl. i love to put my face in pussy too!! bfg roy .

From : john kunkel

on tue 19 oct 2004 042115 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote kissy kissy kissy no youre not trying to start anything. oh no. and yes youre sure being mature. like you said earlier you dont try to start anything with budd do you your just out there answer answering budds questions and the old guy jumps on you for no reason right you of all people should be the last one to criticize me with the shit you used to do an still do only to me now. funny how budd can seem to say and do anything that he wants but if i say anything at all im the one in the wrong. he even admits in another thread that all he is doing is trying to get me going but thats ok for your new buddy right. well golly gee whiz tommy-troll-baby. look whos having a tantrum like a little baby. hey troll do you think it could be just as ive told you so often that you get what you give and that most of you troubles you bring on