What % tow capacity
From : steve b
Q: i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety steve .
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From : steve b
i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety your vehicle manual should have that info. also total gross vehicle weight should be labeled on the driver door jamb. as for safety the limit shown is a margin of safety. in reality it can tow more but should not be done. and those vary. i have seen that it will tow 13700# and then i have seen it will tow 14600#. gcvwrs run from 22000 to 24000. i just wanted to ask those who tow and have towed what they find to be a safe % of that rating. my wife for instance thinks that if it says it will tow 14700# that it is alright to buy a trailer that weighs 14500#. she doesnt comprehend that all the water canned goods clothes and things taken along for a trip add up to considerable weight quickly. my guess is that i should buy something under 10000# thusly with the added cargo it would come in at around 12000. if i can find an ultralite rig made of aluminum id even like to stay closer to 9000. it all depends on space. it has to be big enough to carry two atvs which immediately add around 1200# just for them. just wanted to ask what others think. i know theres ratings on door jambs but i also think those are optimistic in some cases. i for sure know people who have been sold vehicles with the promise oh it will tow x000# and when they do it its white knuckle driving and 40 mph on upgrades. steve .
From : azwiley1
here try these. its what i had and what i will be getting again. http//www.a1warriortrailers.com/index.html i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety your vehicle manual should have that info. also total gross vehicle weight should be labeled on the driver door jamb. as for safety the limit shown is a margin of safety. in reality it can tow more but should not be done. and those vary. i have seen that it will tow 13700# and then i have seen it will tow 14600#. gcvwrs run from 22000 to 24000. i just wanted to ask those who tow and have towed what they find to be a safe % of that rating. my wife for instance thinks that if it says it will tow 14700# that it is alright to buy a trailer that weighs 14500#. she doesnt comprehend that all the water canned goods clothes and things taken along for a trip add up to considerable weight quickly. my guess is that i should buy something under 10000# thusly with the added cargo it would come in at around 12000. if i can find an ultralite rig made of aluminum id even like to stay closer to 9000. it all depends on space. it has to be big enough to carry two atvs which immediately add around 1200# just for them. just wanted to ask what others think. i know theres ratings on door jambs but i also think those are optimistic in some cases. i for sure know people who have been sold vehicles with the promise oh it will tow x000# and when they do it its white knuckle driving and 40 mph on upgrades. steve .
From : heatwave
beryl terrapin@coolmail.com wrote snip for those here who are old enough fearless fosdick came to my mind. from lil abner steve .
From : geekboy
i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety your vehicle manual should have that info. also total gross vehicle weight should be labeled on the driver door jamb. as for safety the limit shown is a margin of safety. in reality it can tow more but should not be done. .
From : ed h
this is a repost from a few months ago but it might answer your question. dont be confused by the duramax title he happens upon a dodge. http//videos.streetfire.net/search/money+maker/0/b108e8c2-25df-4054-8090-98af013f4333.htm i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety your vehicle manual should have that info. also total gross vehicle weight should be labeled on the driver door jamb. as for safety the limit shown is a margin of safety. in reality it can tow more but should not be done. and those vary. i have seen that it will tow 13700# and then i have seen it will tow 14600#. gcvwrs run from 22000 to 24000. i just wanted to ask those who tow and have towed what they find to be a safe % of that rating. my wife for instance thinks that if it says it will tow 14700# that it is alright to buy a trailer that weighs 14500#. she doesnt comprehend that all the water canned goods clothes and things taken along for a trip add up to considerable weight quickly. my guess is that i should buy something under 10000# thusly with the added cargo it would come in at around 12000. if i can find an ultralite rig made of aluminum id even like to stay closer to 9000. it all depends on space. it has to be big enough to carry two atvs which immediately add around 1200# just for them. just wanted to ask what others think. i know theres ratings on door jambs but i also think those are optimistic in some cases. i for sure know people who have been sold vehicles with the promise oh it will tow x000# and when they do it its white knuckle driving and 40 mph on upgrades. steve .
From : steve b
this is a repost from a few months ago but it might answer your question. dont be confused by the duramax title he happens upon a dodge. http//videos.streetfire.net/search/money+maker/0/b108e8c2-25df-4054-8090-98af013f4333.htm i almost fell off my chair when he makes the comment of the dodge being an inferior product to the duramax. then he stated he was within 300# of maximum. thats taking it to the edge and what i was talking about when asking for a % of maximum so as to leave a little for safety. my bil has a duramax and it is a nice truck. at times i have wished i had gone with a duramax but then i hear of another problem with them. im sure theyre a good truck but when you do a gcvwr load within 300# of maximum if somethings going to go wrong it will then. iirc he states on the tape that his gcvwr is 24000 or maybe 22000#. 300# is .0125 of 24000# 300# is .0136 of 22000# so youre running at 98% of capacity and running at seventy in hot weather. sounds to me like anything would run hot in those conditions. steve .
From : ed h
so youre running at 98% of capacity and running at seventy in hot weather. sounds to me like anything would run hot in those conditions. steve i agree when this was first posted i looked up keystone gougar trailers on the internet added 3500 lbs. for the jeep and calculated that the dodge was towing between 9200 the lightest model dry weight and 15800 lbs. the heaviest model loaded to capacity. .
From : snoman
on sun 22 apr 2007 112237 -0700 steve b surdo2diver@neptune.com wrote just wanted to ask what others think. i know theres ratings on door jambs but i also think those are optimistic in some cases. i for sure know people who have been sold vehicles with the promise oh it will tow x000# and when they do it its white knuckle driving and 40 mph on upgrades. be it a dodge chevy or ford there is more to safe towing than just putting a motor in something. there is a reason the they make 2 and 3 ton trucks because they have more chassis and brakes to deal with things when they go bad. i do not care if you have a 400 hp motor 13 k is a lot of weight for a p/u chassis. about 30 years ago when going to college i drove contruction equip and trucks. i used this old chevy 2 1/2 single axle dump with a 366 to tow a float with a backhoe or dozer on it. by todays standards some would consider it anemic but it got the job done and a 4 or 5000 lb tongue load was nothing for that truck for sudden manuver control and i darn sure could stop it to even with trailer brakes. you can tow 13k and more with a p/u as i was towing 23k grain trailers over 25 years ago but we did not go fast or far because you had to be able to deal with it when brakes fail which i had to do once. even with tires locked up i was like a cork on a string with that trying to stop it. just remember thyat you can tow a lot more than a oem rating when things are just right but it is being able to deal with it and control it when things go bad that makes you or brakes you so do not take any towing rating blindly and try to keep weight down to no more than you need as it is better to erro under rating than at or over it just because you can. it is the what ifs that can get you in trouble. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : Annonymous
on sun 22 apr 2007 120057 -0700 steve b surdo2diver@neptune.com wrote this is a repost from a few months ago but it might answer your question. dont be confused by the duramax title he happens upon a dodge. http//videos.streetfire.net/search/money+maker/0/b108e8c2-25df-4054-8090-98af013f4333.htm i almost fell off my chair when he makes the comment of the dodge being an inferior product to the duramax. then he stated he was within 300# of maximum. thats taking it to the edge and what i was talking about when asking for a % of maximum so as to leave a little for safety. my bil has a duramax and it is a nice truck. at times i have wished i had gone with a duramax but then i hear of another problem with them. im sure theyre a good truck but when you do a gcvwr load within 300# of maximum if somethings going to go wrong it will then. iirc he states on the tape that his gcvwr is 24000 or maybe 22000#. 300# is .0125 of 24000# 300# is .0136 of 22000# so youre running at 98% of capacity and running at seventy in hot weather. sounds to me like anything would run hot in those conditions. steve ive got friends with the ford 6.0l and friends with the duramax. the fords have been the most troublesome but everyone loves their own truck so who knows which is the better i have a 03 3500 48re. i love it and wouldnt part with it. my fifth wheel weighs just a touch under 10k dry so loaded up im afraid to see what it weighs. i have no problem towing it at all. i worried a bit about stopping it though but that has not been a problem either. a lot of the towing seems to depend on the particular fifth wheel though. prior to this one i had a fifth wheel that weighed 8200 pounds dry and it didnt tow as well as the one i have now. i alsolike the fifth wheel much more than the tow trailer. my initial entry into the rv world was a cheap pull trailer a terry that was about 7k dry and it was a bear to pull. the fact that it was built so cheaply probably had a lot to do with that though. i agree with your idea of giving yourself some wiggle room with the load though. .
From : Annonymous
on sun 22 apr 2007 224603 gmt snoman admin@snoman.com wrote on sun 22 apr 2007 112237 -0700 steve b surdo2diver@neptune.com wrote just wanted to ask what others think. i know theres ratings on door jambs but i also think those are optimistic in some cases. i for sure know people who have been sold vehicles with the promise oh it will tow x000# and when they do it its white knuckle driving and 40 mph on upgrades. be it a dodge chevy or ford there is more to safe towing than just putting a motor in something. there is a reason the they make 2 and 3 ton trucks because they have more chassis and brakes to deal with things when they go bad. i do not care if you have a 400 hp motor 13 k is a lot of weight for a p/u chassis. about 30 years ago when going to college i drove contruction equip and trucks. i used this old chevy 2 1/2 single axle dump with a 366 to tow a float with a backhoe or dozer on it. by todays standards some would consider it anemic but it got the job done and a 4 or 5000 lb tongue load was nothing for that truck for sudden manuver control and i darn sure could stop it to even with trailer brakes. you can tow 13k and more with a p/u as i was towing 23k grain trailers over 25 years ago but we did not go fast or far because you had to be able to deal with it when brakes fail which i had to do once. even with tires locked up i was like a cork on a string with that trying to stop it. just remember thyat you can tow a lot more than a oem rating when things are just right but it is being able to deal with it and control it when things go bad that makes you or brakes you so do not take any towing rating blindly and try to keep weight down to no more than you need as it is better to erro under rating than at or over it just because you can. it is the what ifs that can get you in trouble. ----------------- thesnoman.com ok. now it is not a huge surprise to me that snotroll suddenly shows up in a thread conveniently authored by steve b. that snotroll would drop out of those bowells is not a shock since the three amigos came here to avenge snotrolls honor in the first place. now in the sake of peace ok so maybe not i thought about ignoring this post. but then i read it again. what a load. once again snotroll is able to state the obvious in incredibly boring detail and with a trip literally down senility lane; nope no way i just cant let it go. ok snotroll be careful with heavy weights and watch out if things go wrong. i got ya man. geez. what a great and wise post. .
From : aarcuda69062
theguy@whatever.net wrote on sun 22 apr 2007 224603 gmt snoman admin@snoman.com wrote on sun 22 apr 2007 112237 -0700 steve b surdo2diver@neptune.com wrote just wanted to ask what others think. i know theres ratings on door jambs but i also think those are optimistic in some cases. i for sure know people who have been sold vehicles with the promise oh it will tow x000# and when they do it its white knuckle driving and 40 mph on upgrades. be it a dodge chevy or ford there is more to safe towing than just putting a motor in something. there is a reason the they make 2 and 3 ton trucks because they have more chassis and brakes to deal with things when they go bad. i do not care if you have a 400 hp motor 13 k is a lot of weight for a p/u chassis. about 30 years ago when going to college i drove contruction equip and trucks. i used this old chevy 2 1/2 single axle dump with a 366 to tow a float with a backhoe or dozer on it. by todays standards some would consider it anemic but it got the job done and a 4 or 5000 lb tongue load was nothing for that truck for sudden manuver control and i darn sure could stop it to even with trailer brakes. you can tow 13k and more with a p/u as i was towing 23k grain trailers over 25 years ago but we did not go fast or far because you had to be able to deal with it when brakes fail which i had to do once. even with tires locked up i was like a cork on a string with that trying to stop it. just remember thyat you can tow a lot more than a oem rating when things are just right but it is being able to deal with it and control it when things go bad that makes you or brakes you so do not take any towing rating blindly and try to keep weight down to no more than you need as it is better to erro under rating than at or over it just because you can. it is the what ifs that can get you in trouble. ----------------- thesnoman.com ok. now it is not a huge surprise to me that snotroll suddenly shows up in a thread conveniently authored by steve b. that snotroll would drop out of those bowells is not a shock since the three amigos came here to avenge snotrolls honor in the first place. now in the sake of peace ok so maybe not i thought about ignoring this post. but then i read it again. what a load. once again snotroll is able to state the obvious in incredibly boring detail and with a trip literally down senility lane; nope no way i just cant let it go. ok snotroll be careful with heavy weights and watch out if things go wrong. i got ya man. geez. what a great and wise post. well in all fairness he -was- a bit overdue for his famous back when i drove a gas engined dump truck story. and when i say famous i mean tired old heard it a hundred times. .
From : snoman
on sun 22 apr 2007 205426 -0500 aarcuda69062 nonelson@sbcglobal.net wrote well in all fairness he -was- a bit overdue for his famous back when i drove a gas engined dump truck story. and when i say famous i mean tired old heard it a hundred times. in all fairness you are kinda clueless because you think that a motor makes a tow vehicle but it is not so but rather the chassis itself springs tires brakes frame etc and gearing of it relative to its motors power band. we survived for many years without oil burners and will when they are gone. this not a attack them but on those such are yourself that think they are a must have to do anything. they made some serious gas motors long ago before there was emission controls but this was likely before you even drove and likely before you were born too. had gas motors had the lack emisson limits that diesel enjoyed till now they would be different animals today. i still stand by that the chassis determines the tow weight that you can tow safely while maintain positive control of it not its motor. how fast you climb a hill is not a safety issue but rather a ego one because the top will still be there when you get there. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : Annonymous
on mon 23 apr 2007 135614 gmt snoman admin@snoman.com wrote on sun 22 apr 2007 205426 -0500 aarcuda69062 nonelson@sbcglobal.net wrote well in all fairness he -was- a bit overdue for his famous back when i drove a gas engined dump truck story. and when i say famous i mean tired old heard it a hundred times. in all fairness you are kinda clueless because you think that a motor makes a tow vehicle but it is not so but rather the chassis itself springs tires brakes frame etc and gearing of it relative to its motors power band. we survived for many years without oil burners and will when they are gone. this not a attack them but on those such are yourself that think they are a must have to do anything. they made some serious gas motors long ago before there was emission controls but this was likely before you even drove and likely before you were born too. had gas motors had the lack emisson limits that diesel enjoyed till now they would be different animals today. i still stand by that the chassis determines the tow weight that you can tow safely while maintain positive control of it not its motor. how fast you climb a hill is not a safety issue but rather a ego one because the top will still be there when you get there. ----------------- thesnoman.com snotroll..........sseriously what the hell is your point .
From : heatwave
admin@snoman.com says... on sun 22 apr 2007 205426 -0500 aarcuda69062 nonelson@sbcglobal.net wrote well in all fairness he -was- a bit overdue for his famous back when i drove a gas engined dump truck story. and when i say famous i mean tired old heard it a hundred times. in all fairness you are kinda clueless snip ----------------- thetrollman.com get lost troll. ----------------------------------- snojob follies sbj dumb brake question http//tinyurl.com/2ya3wo sbj snoball defense system v1.01 http//tinyurl.com/2hth74 ----------------------------------- .
From : big al
i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety steve steve the lighter the trailer the easier it is to pull stop and buy gas for. its that simple. the longer it is the harder it is to go in and out of parking lots as the rear will drag easier. with a long trailer its harder to find a parking spot harder to maneuver in a camp ground harder to store. my advice is to get the smallest lightest trailer you can live with. al .
From : steve b
i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety steve towing capacity is a junk number. it often assumes a 150 lb. driver no cargo and a 1/2 tank of fuel. everything that goes into the vehicle has to be deducted from that number. a lot of veteran rvers use this formula to determine a good match of trailer to vehicle gvwr tow vehicle + gvwr trailer = gcwr tow vehicle using this formula generally results in a setup that tows at 75-80% of the towing capacity. mark i am happy to live with less of a load than others. i see overloaded rigs all the time. some of them upside down. i think this is an area where the general public is compound stupid. they dont know that they dont know. my wife is a prime example. she thinks that if you can get it in the door or connect it with a hitch the truck and trailer should be able to haul it. many others are oblivious to the facts that a lot of number ratings assigned to rvs and trucks are without the water tanks full allow for one skinny driver dont allow for food and clothes and 40# of makeup and all sorts of things that add up to the grand total. my favorites are the salesmen who desperately want to make a sale and practice the following in the mirror for hours sure it will tow it! for those guys who are pros or who just tow heavy things a lot they know that all sorts of things happen. rain snow wind tranny fluid slick spots ice panic stops etc etc etc. and although a truck might be capable of pulling xx000# it isnt always able to control same in some tricky situations. i love seeing those small suvs and minivans towing trailers. you can always tell how new they are to it. if they have any miles under their belt at all they have a death grip on the wheel at ten and two oclock positions eyes straight ahead unblinking and head straight ahead like it had titanium pins in it. anna nicole could have flashed her boobs and the guy would not have looked or moved an inch. probably takes a couple of minutes to get his hands off the wheel when he stops just like running a jack hammer for a while. pulling something and towing something are two entirely different things. you can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. but when it decides to do elephant things thats when you find out the differences. steve .
From : mark filice
i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety steve towing capacity is a junk number. it often assumes a 150 lb. driver no cargo and a 1/2 tank of fuel. everything that goes into the vehicle has to be deducted from that number. a lot of veteran rvers use this formula to determine a good match of trailer to vehicle gvwr tow vehicle + gvwr trailer = gcwr tow vehicle using this formula generally results in a setup that tows at 75-80% of the towing capacity. mark those who live by the sword get shot by those who dont .
From : roy
i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety steve towing capacity is a junk number. it often assumes a 150 lb. driver no cargo and a 1/2 tank of fuel. everything that goes into the vehicle has to be deducted from that number. a lot of veteran rvers use this formula to determine a good match of trailer to vehicle gvwr tow vehicle + gvwr trailer = gcwr tow vehicle using this formula generally results in a setup that tows at 75-80% of the towing capacity. mark i am happy to live with less of a load than others. i see overloaded rigs all the time. some of them upside down. i think this is an area where the general public is compound stupid. they dont know that they dont know. my wife is a prime example. she thinks that if you can get it in the door or connect it with a hitch the truck and trailer should be able to haul it. many others are oblivious to the facts that a lot of number ratings assigned to rvs and trucks are without the water tanks full allow for one skinny driver dont allow for food and clothes and 40# of makeup and all sorts of things that add up to the grand total. my favorites are the salesmen who desperately want to make a sale and practice the following in the mirror for hours sure it will tow it! for those guys who are pros or who just tow heavy things a lot they know that all sorts of things happen. rain snow wind tranny fluid slick spots ice panic stops etc etc etc. and although a truck might be capable of pulling xx000# it isnt always able to control same in some tricky situations. i love seeing those small suvs and minivans towing trailers. you can always tell how new they are to it. if they have any miles under their belt at all they have a death grip on the wheel at ten and two oclock positions eyes straight ahead unblinking and head straight ahead like it had titanium pins in it. anna nicole could have flashed her boobs and the guy would not have looked or moved an inch. probably takes a couple of minutes to get his hands off the wheel when he stops just like running a jack hammer for a while. pulling something and towing something are two entirely different things. you can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. but when it decides to do elephant things thats when you find out the differences. steve boy thats the truth. .
From : roy
admin@snoman.com says... on sun 22 apr 2007 205426 -0500 aarcuda69062 nonelson@sbcglobal.net wrote well in all fairness he -was- a bit overdue for his famous back when i drove a gas engined dump truck story. and when i say famous i mean tired old heard it a hundred times. in all fairness you are kinda clueless snip ----------------- thetrollman.com get lost troll. ----------------------------------- snojob follies sbj dumb brake question http//tinyurl.com/2ya3wo sbj snoball defense system v1.01 http//tinyurl.com/2hth74 ----------------------------------- priceless!!!!! .
From : chris thompson
on mon 23 apr 2007 135614 +0000 snoman wrote on sun 22 apr 2007 205426 -0500 aarcuda69062 nonelson@sbcglobal.net wrote well in all fairness he -was- a bit overdue for his famous back when i drove a gas engined dump truck story. and when i say famous i mean tired old heard it a hundred times. in all fairness you are kinda clueless because you think that a motor makes a tow vehicle but it is not so but rather the chassis itself springs tires brakes frame etc and gearing of it relative to its motors power band. we survived for many years without oil burners and will when they are gone. this not a attack them but on those such are yourself that think they are a must have to do anything. they made some serious gas motors long ago before there was emission controls but this was likely before you even drove and likely before you were born too. the gas engine was first built in 1860 patented in 1854 rudolph diesel built his engine in 1892 hardly long after the gasoline otto engine. by the way it seems to me the gasoline engine is on its way out. diesels are making their way into the small automotive market more and more they run on organic fuels with nominal mpg or power losses unlike their spark plug limited cousins. -- chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd .
From : aarcuda69062
snoman admin@snoman.com wrote on sun 22 apr 2007 205426 -0500 aarcuda69062 nonelson@sbcglobal.net wrote well in all fairness he -was- a bit overdue for his famous back when i drove a gas engined dump truck story. and when i say famous i mean tired old heard it a hundred times. in all fairness you are kinda clueless because you think that a motor makes a tow vehicle but it is not so but rather the chassis itself springs tires brakes frame etc and gearing of it relative to its motors power band. what sort of moron thinks he needs to explain gear multiplication we survived for many years without oil burners and will when they are gone. we survived for even more years with horses and oxen. your point besides bull shit this not a attack them but on those such are yourself that think they are a must have to do anything. fuck efficiency right they made some serious gas motors long ago before there was emission controls but this was likely before you even drove and likely before you were born too. i explained this all a few weeks ago in the ford truck group but just in case youve forgotten; back when you claim to have been driving that dump truck i was either precision grinding crankshafts for large outboard motors or tearing apart ih 549s and eaton 5 speed and 4 speed auxiliary transmissions. you aint got nothing on me time wise knowledge wise or experience wise so give it up already. you keep trotting out the same old stories on a regular cycle. makes me wonder how shallow a person you are that you need to live in the past as you do. its like you hit your peak in 1978 and went downhill from there... had gas motors had the lack emisson limits that diesel enjoyed till now they would be different animals today. buffoon. just because diesel emission controls are getting a later start compared to gasoline emission controls does not mean that a few obstacles wont be overcome. in fact just as it did for gasoline engines the technology once it matures will assure even better performance than what was realized pre-emission control. i still stand by that the chassis determines the tow weight that you can tow safely while maintain positive control of it not its motor. where did i indicate otherwise how fast you climb a hill is not a safety issue in spite of those slower traffic keep right signs yup we all live just so we can be stuck behind you while you crawl up a hill at 25 miles per hour on the interstate. but rather a ego one because the top will still be there when you get there. i guess that works for someone like you since you have nowhere to go and when you get there no one wants to see you anyway and theres eight months of downtime between work seasons. . 222 333913 462d3a29.40904906@usenet.radix.net on sun 22 apr 2007 054042 -0400 denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote flame away. anyone flaming you for this is an idiot. one studen legally carrying could have prevented this entire tragedy. i can assure you that every student cowering helplessly under a desk completely at the mercy of the bad guy would have supported legal carry in their school. nate ive had a ccw for several years and cant argue against carrying but remember how much you drank when in college i do and sure wouldnt think itd be a good idea to have a bunch of hung-over kids walking around armed. way too many hormones and alcohol involved there. that being said i wouldnt want to trust my life to a bunch of unarmed security idiots either. not everyone on a college campus is in the 19-25 year old range. beekeep .
From : ed h
on second thought youre correct. ed h. wrote dude give it a rest! it seems most of the group including myself has moved on. wtf!!! this thread is was about old trucks. who started up again with the hey beryl the above links show what you started out defending crap roy wrote admin@snoman.com says... what that you are a troll never happen! what the hell does that mean no one on this earth could ever translate that to anything sensible. btw i realy do not care what you think and i do not dance on your string either and that bugs the living shit out of you too! others see you for what you are too. grow up roy. ----------------- thetrollman.com stop being a pos troll and answer the damn questions we actually want you to answer or get the fuck out. ----------------------------------- snojob follies sbj dumb brake question http//tinyurl.com/2ya3wo sbj snoball defense system v1.01 http//tinyurl.com/2hth74 ----------------------------------- hey beryl the above links show what you started out defending. spend some time reading them so you have a good understanding of exactly what cause you took up. incorrect skipper. ive read loads of snomans posts and this link is the one that shows what i started out defending. http//tinyurl.com/yu3g9h anyway! youre ready to pick up where you left off eh you just sort of died out there. here ya go http//tinyurl.com/yo98v3 -- in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni .
From : denny
tom lawrence wrote i live in a blue state. which one kalifornia -- in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni .
From : mark filice
pulling something and towing something are two entirely different things. you can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. but when it decides to do elephant things thats when you find out the differences. steve now thats funny... vbg denny .
From : steve b
far the biggest example i have ever seen of this and do change context when transposed. would you rather the enemy loose his missiles or lose his missiles totally true. my point is that the credibility of these twenty-something morons who dont have a clue that they are using lose/loose and others incorrectly is suspect. if they have such disregard for basic spelling they generally arent too specific about other things either. like facts. and then if that doesnt work they run their potty mouths and end every other word in tard whatever that means. steve tard that means yore plum wore out! ;^ mike . 222 334043 n0txh.161198$g24.64893@fe12.phx pulling something and towing something are two entirely different things. you can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. but when it decides to do elephant things thats when you find out the differences. steve now thats funny... vbg denny you can tow almost any large trailer with a little garden tractor. it is just a matter of how fast and how far before it breaks down. i wonder what the true towing capacity of an elephant is mark i love cats. i just cant eat a whole one by myself. forklifts atvs and small tractors are commonly used to shuffle trailers around storage yards and dealerships. forklifts work particularly well because of the short turning radius. these vehicles will do it theyre slow and it is usually over fairly flat ground. a great example of a tow vehicle being overloaded and people saying oh yeah that beavis will pull that trailer. it will pull it but you just gotta hope it isnt in anything but a straight line and not very fast. same as mismatched loads on the highway. steve .
From : steve b
i love seeing those small suvs and minivans towing trailers. you can always tell how new they are to it. if they have any miles under their belt at all they have a death grip on the wheel at ten and two oclock positions eyes straight ahead unblinking and head straight ahead like it had titanium pins in it. anna nicole could have flashed her boobs and the guy would not have looked or moved an inch. probably takes a couple of minutes to get his hands off the wheel when he stops just like running a jack hammer for a while. the small suv towing with his rear suspension almost bottomed out always makes me sadly shake my head then try to get as much distance between him and me. but its almost summer so keep a look out for them. i have a pathfinder. a great car but getting old now with 200000 miles on it. getting tired and slow. then i bought the new dodge 2500 with the cummins. first trip to utah with the cummins im passing a semi and im on cruise control. passing it but not very fast. i think hey i dont like being right besides these tires. i kicked it in the ass jumped from about 75 to about 90 in a flash and said wow. i looked in my mirror and back there the semi was throwing a tread. one piece went a lot higher than the truck. a friend of mine had a big scar on his leg. when he was a kid they were doing the same thing when the semi blew a tread. it ripped off the front fender of their car and he got ripped up pretty good too. now when i want to pass i kick it in the ass and get-r-done. that cummins is something. even at ninety its pulling like it still wants to go. steve .
From : beryl
roy wrote i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety steve towing capacity is a junk number. it often assumes a 150 lb. driver no cargo and a 1/2 tank of fuel. everything that goes into the vehicle has to be deducted from that number. a lot of veteran rvers use this formula to determine a good match of trailer to vehicle gvwr tow vehicle + gvwr trailer = gcwr tow vehicle using this formula generally results in a setup that tows at 75-80% of the towing capacity. mark i am happy to live with less of a load than others. i see overloaded rigs all the time. some of them upside down. i think this is an area where the general public is compound stupid. they dont know that they dont know. my wife is a prime example. she thinks that if you can get it in the door or connect it with a hitch the truck and trailer should be able to haul it. many others are oblivious to the facts that a lot of number ratings assigned to rvs and trucks are without the water tanks full allow for one skinny driver dont allow for food and clothes and 40# of makeup and all sorts of things that add up to the grand total. my favorites are the salesmen who desperately want to make a sale and practice the following in the mirror for hours sure it will tow it! for those guys who are pros or who just tow heavy things a lot they know that all sorts of things happen. rain snow wind tranny fluid slick spots ice panic stops etc etc etc. and although a truck might be capable of pulling xx000# it isnt always able to control same in some tricky situations. i love seeing those small suvs and minivans towing trailers. you can always tell how new they are to it. if they have any miles under their belt at all they have a death grip on the wheel at ten and two oclock positions eyes straight ahead unblinking and head straight ahead like it had titanium pins in it. anna nicole could have flashed her boobs and the guy would not have looked or moved an inch. probably takes a couple of minutes to get his hands off the wheel when he stops just like running a jack hammer for a while. pulling something and towing something are two entirely different things. you can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. but when it decides to do elephant things thats when you find out the differences. steve boy thats the truth. remarkable. its the same thing snoman was saying. -- in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni .
From : beryl
thedumbguy now in the sake of peace ok so maybe not i thought about ignoring this post. but then i read it again. what a load. once again snotroll is able to state the obvious in incredibly boring detail and with a trip literally down senility lane; nope no way i just cant let it go. so what prompted you to read it again -- in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni .
From : Annonymous
with a drill bit to increase the functionality of the holes after its sprayed with the liner. not sure i would worry about it but the option is there if your really concerned. usually if my truck fills with water during a overnight rain storm remember the crap over the holes the first time i back out of the driveway it all gone runs right out from under the tailgate. would think it would make sense to enlarge the holes before the spraying. or would the spray plug them anyway it does. the factory tie-down holes are reduced in size to the point where you cannot use the rubber plugs anymore. so if you open the holes up prior to the spray so that they will drain wont the spray prevent the rusting of the drilled holes maybe im missing something here no your not i follow in what your saying roy. if you enlarge them large enough the coating will coat the edges of the holes to keep them from rusting without blocking the holes. thank you! vbg how large of a hole that has to be well that part i cant answer for you. i can tell you the factory drain holes in my 05 still function somewhat but are obviously diminished by the the line-x install. thats good to know. others can plan accordingly. my neighbor had the rubbery looking rino liner installed in his truck and it totally blocked all of his factory drain holes. the rino liner is also much harder to slide a load out of when you want to while you can slide a load out of mine with the harder line-x when you want to while still retaining the limited load shift you would expect out of a sprayed in liner. i hope that sufficiently answered your question. good info. thanks. roy -- chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd . 222 334068 8nd1339qtcnpn3u9adp1fsm5lg50vr5d7i@4ax.com on wed 25 apr 2007 221140 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com wrote roy wrote i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety steve towing capacity is a junk number. it often assumes a 150 lb. driver no cargo and a 1/2 tank of fuel. everything that goes into the vehicle has to be deducted from that number. a lot of veteran rvers use this formula to determine a good match of trailer to vehicle gvwr tow vehicle + gvwr trailer = gcwr tow vehicle using this formula generally results in a setup that tows at 75-80% of the towing capacity. mark i am happy to live with less of a load than others. i see overloaded rigs all the time. some of them upside down. i think this is an area where the general public is compound stupid. they dont know that they dont know. my wife is a prime example. she thinks that if you can get it in the door or connect it with a hitch the truck and trailer should be able to haul it. many others are oblivious to the facts that a lot of number ratings assigned to rvs and trucks are without the water tanks full allow for one skinny driver dont allow for food and clothes and 40# of makeup and all sorts of things that add up to the grand total. my favorites are the salesmen who desperately want to make a sale and practice the following in the mirror for hours sure it will tow it! for those guys who are pros or who just tow heavy things a lot they know that all sorts of things happen. rain snow wind tranny fluid slick spots ice panic stops etc etc etc. and although a truck might be capable of pulling xx000# it isnt always able to control same in some tricky situations. i love seeing those small suvs and minivans towing trailers. you can always tell how new they are to it. if they have any miles under their belt at all they have a death grip on the wheel at ten and two oclock positions eyes straight ahead unblinking and head straight ahead like it had titanium pins in it. anna nicole could have flashed her boobs and the guy would not have looked or moved an inch. probably takes a couple of minutes to get his hands off the wheel when he stops just like running a jack hammer for a while. pulling something and towing something are two entirely different things. you can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. but when it decides to do elephant things thats when you find out the differences. steve boy thats the truth. remarkable. its the same thing snoman was saying. remarkable. your love for the snotroll is getting a little strange. you guys should get a room. oh wait you already got one dont you .
From : Annonymous
on thu 26 apr 2007 002305 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com wrote thedumbguy now in the sake of peace ok so maybe not i thought about ignoring this post. but then i read it again. what a load. once again snotroll is able to state the obvious in incredibly boring detail and with a trip literally down senility lane; nope no way i just cant let it go. so what prompted you to read it again you havent been around long barrell. i have a fascination for the bizarre. actually we all do i just admit it. one reading didnt do it justice from that perspective. .
From : azwiley1
steve though i am not sure if it would fit your needs but these might be something worth looking into. i saw one this morning on the way into work being towed by a 6 banger nissan pathfinder with no issues. www.trailmanor.com .
From : steve b
since it is a 2500 testing shocks is not as easy on car or 1500 series truck. normally you would be able to test by pusing down on the front of a car or standing on truck bumper. best way i know of on a 2500 is to drive it over a speed bump. if it bounced over the speed bump its time to change. i think bilstein is a good shock for the 2500. they had better be for $60 a piece. you can get them from autozone with lifetiem warranty. if they wear out just trade them in for new ones. good morning fellow ram heads 2004.5 ctd 3/4 ton ext cab 4 wheel drive off road package 6spd. 4.10 rear now that the prerequisites are out of the way........... my truck has 65k miles and i am thinking it might be time to replace the shocks i use the tuck mostly as a daily driver occasionally pull a 7000# rated tandem car trailer loaded with any number of assorted loads from logs to my tractor. and at times loads of gravel beauty bark etc in the bed. although not at the same time as the trailer.................... please advise your recommendations on shocks. tia joe .
From : roy
good morning fellow ram heads 2004.5 ctd 3/4 ton ext cab 4 wheel drive off road package 6spd. 4.10 rear now that the prerequisites are out of the way........... my truck has 65k miles and i am thinking it might be time to replace the shocks i use the tuck mostly as a daily driver occasionally pull a 7000# rated tandem car trailer loaded with any number of assorted loads from logs to my tractor. and at times loads of gravel beauty bark etc in the bed. although not at the same time as the trailer.................... please advise your recommendations on shocks. tia joe ive always had good luck with bilstein shocks. they are a liitle pricey but you get what you pay for. .
From : steve b
talked to shop today. they are still trying to figure out the problem. they had to put in new clutches. it was modded to hold 4 and said seemed as though 5 was tried to be put in it. they were not burned out but blackened from severe heat. indications that this have been going on for a while. shop manager said that there are numerous mods done on the trans that make the overall performance of the trans operate better. they will have it together today to run fluid pressure test on it today to find out where a restriction is in fluid flow that caused the clutches to heat up like that. indications are either a restriction somewhere or a problem with torque converter. the thing is i always kept my eye on trans temp gauge and the most i ever saw it go up to was 280. for some reason 280 seems a bit hot to me. a bit how about a lot hot... .
From : mark filice
but you can buy two year old toy haulers for about 60%-70% of original selling price. lots of people buy trailers dont use them much find out they dont like trailers or just sell them for one reason or the other. as long as its in good condition i can live with used. i referred my buddy to my rv dealer when he was looking for a toy hauler to take out his 2 quad atvs. he bought a 2-3 year old 19 weekend warrior with the popout bed in the front for around 16k. about 2k less than the nada guides price. fully loaded with an onan 5500 generator. 25 gallon gas tank and a 110 gallon fresh water tank. the former owner used it a few times and then upgraded to a monster fifth-wheel toy hauler from the dealer. he needed a gm 6500 to pull it. ive gone with him a couple of times. it is a very nice trailer. mark .
From : roy
roy roy@fhome.net wrote id bet you could do real well buying one used. i would not consider anything but used. i sprang for a new dodge truck wanting to pay the extra and have it right from the get go. i think i got a good cash deal 35800 and intend to own it for a good while. i got the big horn package quad cab spray liner already in and the cummins. by 04 was the same thing. 4x4 but you can buy two year old toy haulers for about 60%-70% of original exactly. selling price. lots of people buy trailers dont use them much find out they dont like trailers or just sell them for one reason or the other. as long as its in good condition i can live with used. what kind of atvs i sold a 360 and 700 prarie 4x4 within in the past year. real fun toys. but have no use for them in this area of fl. steve .
From : steve b
but you can buy two year old toy haulers for about 60%-70% of original selling price. lots of people buy trailers dont use them much find out they dont like trailers or just sell them for one reason or the other. as long as its in good condition i can live with used. i referred my buddy to my rv dealer when he was looking for a toy hauler to take out his 2 quad atvs. he bought a 2-3 year old 19 weekend warrior with the popout bed in the front for around 16k. about 2k less than the nada guides price. fully loaded with an onan 5500 generator. 25 gallon gas tank and a 110 gallon fresh water tank. the former owner used it a few times and then upgraded to a monster fifth-wheel toy hauler from the dealer. he needed a gm 6500 to pull it. ive gone with him a couple of times. it is a very nice trailer. mark we go to coral pink sand dunes in southern utah. the trailers are all nice really. you got a place to cook clean up sleep out of the wind play cards and tunes watch dvds and get inside if it rains. everything gets so sandy anyway its like going to the beach just figger by the time you get home youll be tasting grit. almost all the trailers up there have the same basic figures just very different sale prices. the extra can pay for a whole lotta trips. steve .
From : steve b
roy roy@fhome.net wrote by 04 was the same thing. 4x4 yeah sorry 4x4 what kind of atvs i sold a 360 and 700 prarie 4x4 within in the past year. real fun toys. but have no use for them in this area of fl. steve arctic cat 400 and honda 300 trx. shopping for two more for when we have company. just a couple of standard atvs that do good on the thousands of miles of atv trails in utah. utah rocks for back woods atv trails and small towns that allow you to come in for food motels and gas. you could do several hundred miles easy on these trails. like the piute. get up into some real backwoods creeks lakes scenery. nice stuff for getting away from civilization. steve .
From : beryl
thedumbguy on thu 26 apr 2007 002305 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com thedumbguy now in the sake of peace ok so maybe not i thought about ignoring this post. but then i read it again. what a load. once again snotroll is able to state the obvious in incredibly boring detail and with a trip literally down senility lane; nope no way i just cant let it go. so what prompted you to read it again you havent been around long barrell. i have a fascination for the bizarre. actually we all do i just admit it. one reading didnt do it justice from that perspective. obvious and incredibly boring things arent bizarre. give it another try. -- in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni .
From : beryl
theguy@whatever.net wrote on wed 25 apr 2007 221140 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com wrote roy wrote i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety steve towing capacity is a junk number. it often assumes a 150 lb. driver no cargo and a 1/2 tank of fuel. everything that goes into the vehicle has to be deducted from that number. a lot of veteran rvers use this formula to determine a good match of trailer to vehicle gvwr tow vehicle + gvwr trailer = gcwr tow vehicle using this formula generally results in a setup that tows at 75-80% of the towing capacity. mark i am happy to live with less of a load than others. i see overloaded rigs all the time. some of them upside down. i think this is an area where the general public is compound stupid. they dont know that they dont know. my wife is a prime example. she thinks that if you can get it in the door or connect it with a hitch the truck and trailer should be able to haul it. many others are oblivious to the facts that a lot of number ratings assigned to rvs and trucks are without the water tanks full allow for one skinny driver dont allow for food and clothes and 40# of makeup and all sorts of things that add up to the grand total. my favorites are the salesmen who desperately want to make a sale and practice the following in the mirror for hours sure it will tow it! for those guys who are pros or who just tow heavy things a lot they know that all sorts of things happen. rain snow wind tranny fluid slick spots ice panic stops etc etc etc. and although a truck might be capable of pulling xx000# it isnt always able to control same in some tricky situations. i love seeing those small suvs and minivans towing trailers. you can always tell how new they are to it. if they have any miles under their belt at all they have a death grip on the wheel at ten and two oclock positions eyes straight ahead unblinking and head straight ahead like it had titanium pins in it. anna nicole could have flashed her boobs and the guy would not have looked or moved an inch. probably takes a couple of minutes to get his hands off the wheel when he stops just like running a jack hammer for a while. pulling something and towing something are two entirely different things. you can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. but when it decides to do elephant things thats when you find out the differences. steve boy thats the truth. remarkable. its the same thing snoman was saying. remarkable. your love for the snotroll is getting a little strange. you guys should get a room. oh wait you already got one dont you it cant help if just happens to be snoman again. and again and again and... tell me the difference between snomans post and steves post. -- in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni .
From : Annonymous
on thu 26 apr 2007 153247 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com wrote theguy@whatever.net wrote on wed 25 apr 2007 221140 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com wrote roy wrote i have a 06 2500 quad cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. i have read that the towing capacity is 13700#. i wouldnt want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety steve towing capacity is a junk number. it often assumes a 150 lb. driver no cargo and a 1/2 tank of fuel. everything that goes into the vehicle has to be deducted from that number. a lot of veteran rvers use this formula to determine a good match of trailer to vehicle gvwr tow vehicle + gvwr trailer = gcwr tow vehicle using this formula generally results in a setup that tows at 75-80% of the towing capacity. mark i am happy to live with less of a load than others. i see overloaded rigs all the time. some of them upside down. i think this is an area where the general public is compound stupid. they dont know that they dont know. my wife is a prime example. she thinks that if you can get it in the door or connect it with a hitch the truck and trailer should be able to haul it. many others are oblivious to the facts that a lot of number ratings assigned to rvs and trucks are without the water tanks full allow for one skinny driver dont allow for food and clothes and 40# of makeup and all sorts of things that add up to the grand total. my favorites are the salesmen who desperately want to make a sale and practice the following in the mirror for hours sure it will tow it! for those guys who are pros or who just tow heavy things a lot they know that all sorts of things happen. rain snow wind tranny fluid slick spots ice panic stops etc etc etc. and although a truck might be capable of pulling xx000# it isnt always able to control same in some tricky situations. i love seeing those small suvs and minivans towing trailers. you can always tell how new they are to it. if they have any miles under their belt at all they have a death grip on the wheel at ten and two oclock positions eyes straight ahead unblinking and head straight ahead like it had titanium pins in it. anna nicole could have flashed her boobs and the guy would not have looked or moved an inch. probably takes a couple of minutes to get his hands off the wheel when he stops just like running a jack hammer for a while. pulling something and towing something are two entirely different things. you can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. but when it decides to do elephant things thats when you find out the differences. steve boy thats the truth. remarkable. its the same thing snoman was saying. remarkable. your love for the snotroll is getting a little strange. you guys should get a room. oh wait you already got one dont you it cant help if just happens to be snoman again. and again and again and... tell me the difference between snomans post and steves post. the difference is all up to you barrell. .
From : Annonymous
on fri 27 apr 2007 122741 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com wrote thedumbguy on thu 26 apr 2007 212849 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com thedumbguy beryl terrapin@coolmail.com tell me the difference between snomans post and steves post. the difference is all up to you barrell. theyre saying the same stuff dumbguy. you should tell us what was wrong when snoman said it and skippy should tell us why he was wowed when steve said it. its just magic barrell. we do it with mirrors and duck tape. yes just like trolls. wow. trolls do it with mirrors and duck tape too amazing coincidence i guess. .
From : beryl
thedumbguy beryl terrapin@coolmail.com tell me the difference between snomans post and steves post. the difference is all up to you barrell. theyre saying the same stuff dumbguy. you should tell us what was wrong when snoman said it and skippy should tell us why he was wowed when steve said it. -- in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni .
From : Annonymous
on thu 26 apr 2007 212849 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com wrote thedumbguy beryl terrapin@coolmail.com tell me the difference between snomans post and steves post. the difference is all up to you barrell. theyre saying the same stuff dumbguy. you should tell us what was wrong when snoman said it and skippy should tell us why he was wowed when steve said it. its just magic barrell. we do it with mirrors and duck tape. .
From : beryl
thedumbguy on thu 26 apr 2007 212849 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com thedumbguy beryl terrapin@coolmail.com tell me the difference between snomans post and steves post. the difference is all up to you barrell. theyre saying the same stuff dumbguy. you should tell us what was wrong when snoman said it and skippy should tell us why he was wowed when steve said it. its just magic barrell. we do it with mirrors and duck tape. yes just like trolls. -- in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni .
From : beryl
thedumbguy on fri 27 apr 2007 122741 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com thedumbguy on thu 26 apr 2007 212849 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolmail.com thedumbguy beryl terrapin@coolmail.com tell me the difference between snomans post and steves post. the difference is all up to you barrell. theyre saying the same stuff dumbguy. you should tell us what was wrong when snoman said it and skippy should tell us why he was wowed when steve said it. its just magic barrell. we do it with mirrors and duck tape. yes just like trolls. wow. trolls do it with mirrors and duck tape too theyre in the mirrors. look and you can see it being done in realtime. amazing coincidence i guess. yes just like your shadow. -- in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni .