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From : beekeep

Q: on wed 01 dec 2004 234107 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote t-boner has an ebay account! http//cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayisapi.dllviewitem&item=5537280095 beekeep i just wonder why anybody would pay $127 plus shipping for a $125 store card. seems like a heck of a deal to me. yeah that is a good question. but now to my stupidity how did you tie t-bone to this denny .

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From : beekeep

when in 4x4 if you turn the sterring the out side tire on the front barks like its being made to slide then break free again afterwards its a pain to get it back in 2 wheel drive any ideas are you doing this on dry pavement -- fmb only one b in fmb .

From : tbone

i never said that a 4x4 can go through anything but it can go thru far more than a 4x2 with 500 lbs of crap in the bed. i have driven 4x4s thru snow of various levels for 12 years without anything extra in the bed and have yet to get stuck. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tom just to add my couple of cents worth of experience 4 wheel drive is better than 2 wheel drive. a 4x4 with a good set of winter snow tires is better than said vehicle will just all-season tires. now put 4-500 lbs in the back of that truck and itll get you to grandmas house for dinner. i got my first jeep when i was 17 and have never been without a 4x4 since and every one of them could go thru more snow/ice with weight in the back. now mud is a totally different story. if you have never been stuck you just plain havent played hard enough.. i have been stuck in the mud a few times but i was playing then and it is expected. i have never been stuck in the snow with my truck because i use common sense and dont want to get stuck. i didnt say or at least didnt mean to say that added weight would never help. what i did say and will stick by is that added weight for all but extreme conditions in a 4x4 is not needed. the 4 wheel drive and a little common sense will get you where you need to go or at least it has for me so far. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

a 4x4 with nothing in the bed will outperform any 2 wheel drive vehicle of the same type in a given situation and in just about all cases the extra weight in not needed. horse shit. my now deceased father never owned a 4x4 and never needed one. he would regularly drive into situations where little or no road access existed due to the job he had. funny how railroad tracks never seem to stay close to highway access. dads best truck was a 75 dodge d150 2wd with a set of monster snow tires on the back 235/75/15 with huge lugs and the bed full of tools. he was never stuck on the road and rarely stuck off road. in the rare case that he was he was easily able to get the truck out under its own power. all this long winded story says is that your father was a good driver and has nothing to do with the performance of the vehicles. i suspect that despite the fact that my truck is a diesel inline six with a dodge dropped over it hed still laugh at me for needing four wheel drive. will added weight in the rear help possibly in some situations but in others like ice it will actually make it worse. more crap. more weight in the back tends to move the point of rotation in a spin towards the rear of the truck where it can more easily be countered. lol and how do you intend to do that on ice. i never said that a 4x4 can go through anything but it can go thru far more than a 4x2 with 500 lbs of crap in the bed. see above. that was due to your fathers driving skill not the capabilities of the vehicle. i have driven 4x4s thru snow of various levels for 12 years without anything extra in the bed and have yet to get stuck. then you have yet to do any real driving in snow. anyone who has has gotten stuck. tell that to your buddy budd. why is it that your father can do the impossible but nobody else can perhaps you get stuck because you just dont know how to drive. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : theguy

tbone wrote lol sorry miles but most of the braking is done by the front not the rear. adding weight to the rear just increases the mass that the front brakes must attempt to stop. oh i see so cars/trucks really do not need rear brakes right lol sorry tbone while it is true that the front does more of the braking all 4 tires contribute and the rear % is substantial. oh really. then please explain to me how my truck can go thru 2 sets of front pads in its 94000 miles and yet the rear shoes look brand new. now i know that you coud say that there may be a problem with my rear brakes but the truck still stops with no problem and it passed the nj inspection brake test every time that it went in. most of us here have figured out that dc self adjusters suck and adjust them by hand so the rear brakes actually do some work. oh i bet i have spent more time in snow than you have dreamed of but that dont really mean shit. what does mean shit

From : denny

pounds of secured weight in the back of the truck will improve both traction and braking. especially in a cummins powered truck due to the added weight of the cummins engine. now i suppose you want to know how i know this to be true dont ya sure ya do in fact your little fingers are getting all sweaty in anticipation arent they heres your answer practical application. ya know tom this is one of those threads where you come off looking like a fool again imo. lol you guys really crack me up. i simply said that putting weight in the back was not necessary in a 4x4 for his needs and not a single one of you has been able to prove that wrong. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 294220 pqsrd.25435$mg3.12362@fe2.columbus.rr.com i never said that a 4x4 can go through anything but it can go thru far more than a 4x2 with 500 lbs of crap in the bed. i have driven 4x4s thru snow of various levels for 12 years without anything extra in the bed and have yet to get stuck. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tom just to add my couple of cents worth of experience 4 wheel drive is better than 2 wheel drive. a 4x4 with a good set of winter snow tires is better than said vehicle will just all-season tires. now put 4-500 lbs in the back of that truck and itll get you to grandmas house for dinner. i got my first jeep when i was 17 and have never been without a 4x4 since and every one of them could go thru more snow/ice with weight in the back. now mud is a totally different story. if you have never been stuck you just plain havent played hard enough.. denny .