Way OT: They did it!

From : craig c

Q: bill dunkinfield wrote the people of iraq are not our enemy. im all for the war on terror. when does it start ok which country is our enemy then terrorism isnt a conventional war where a particular country is the enemy so quit trying to define it as such. is the iraqi government funding the opposition i dont agree with the direction of this war either but were not fighting the iraqi population as you seem to believe. .

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From : tbone

roy wrote you just cant help yourself can ya clamp nah we have gone waaaay beyond the clamp. im thinking perhaps electrical therapy.g shit all that would do is cause him to soil himself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : azwiley1

fuller rath wrote jesus h. christ. the washington times and cybercrap . im surprised you didnt post faux and nro as well. now do you have any credible sources or are you perpetually embedded in sun dung moons ass i thought youd deny the fact that edwards is scum and his bogus lawsuits were simply a way to make him a millionaire many times over. .

From : miles

roy wrote you just cant help yourself can ya clamp nah we have gone waaaay beyond the clamp. im thinking perhaps electrical therapy.g roy - craig c. .

From : tbone

been chasing this abs light. pulled rear cover on 99 ram 1500 and tone ring was missing teeth. found some pieces in the pumpkin from the spool that must of hit the tone ring. is this normal for a diffential to come apart.seems to drive fine. was wondering how hard it is to replace the tone ring also. .

From : miles

cal2bama@gmail.com wrote this pickup is in very good condition! has all new wiring on a 6 pin wiring harness is standard cab long bed and has a 318cu. v8.motor and transmission that are out of a 1986 plymouth.has approx 75000 miles on motor and transmission and we are the third owners. i had plans for this pickup but other things have come into consideration. this truck has dual exhaust and the hitch is frame mounted.rims are factory and truck has no rust at all. it has a new heavy duty battery and the original bench seat has no holes rips or ware on it! asking $2500.00 firm we are in north alabama near huntsville. ask for jim at 256-599-3016 or256-599-5933 that sounds like a fair price jim. can you post some pictures to www.tinypic.com and let us see it im not shopping for a used truck but it sounds like you have something my brother could use if the body is rust and/or bondo free. if the pictures look good ill pass the info along to him. -- ken .

From : miles

its most likely the speed sensor on the rear axle. coh wrote i have a 2000 dakota automatic with 4x4 with front disk and rear drum brakes with rear abs option. the abs and brake warning lights go on together important element and there are no problems with the disk brakes brake fluid rear brakes. everythings been changed/checked includin fluid levels. everything seems to work ok. i beleive the abs is ok too but havent had ice to try it out yet... been too warm here rather odd once its reset it stays off for a while then comes on again usually at speeds over say 30 mph 50km/h anyone have any experience with this or a solution is there anything i should be worried about thanks all. a great forum! .

From : azwiley1

i have a 94 dodge ram 1500 5.2l magnum that just rolled past 200000 miles earlier this month and although it still runs well it is showing its age and the engine feels a little tired. the truck is paid for and insurance is cheap so instead of buying a new truck however i would like to fix this one up. i have an 89 318 out of a b250 van sitting in my garage that i would like to rebuild and swap the top endheads intake etc. and fuel injection system from my truck onto so that i can put it in the truck. i would like to stroke it during the build to get more cubes and more torque for towing but most of the stroker kits i have found include expensive forged pistons and are over $1000. i plan to keep the compression fairly low and this engine will not see much abuse or high rpm use so cast pistons should be okay and would be prefferable due to my limited budget. does anyone know of a stroker crank that can be used with stock type cast 318 pistons and rods maybe a 360 crank with the mains turned down also does anyone know of a good aftermarket cam kit for this build thanks for your advice! i understand that youre trying to do this on the cheap but its not gonna work. you cant just drop in a longer stroke crank and call it good. when you stroke an engine youre gonna need longer rods and the wrist pin will probably be seated higher in the piston. denny .

From : tbone

on sun 07 jan 2007 124206 -0600 juanalong juanalong@cableone.net wrote most likely from heat. years ago i purchased a dashboard cover and have never experienced cracked dash boards. good luck. use stp son of a gun not armorall as it peventate vinyl and keeps it soft prevents cracking. i decovered the qualities of son or a gun 25 year ago when i had a few boats. i tried armourall and the next day ot two it looked like i had done nothing to them out is sune and spray. with son or a gun it lasted a lot longer and never had a crack either. i have a vinyl dash in a suv 18 years old that still looks like new with no cracks. when you apply it is can soak in dry vinyl so apply a couple of coats over a few days until it keeps its luster when vinyl is restored to proper chemical moisture level. ----------------- thesnoman.com .

From : tbone

it sounds like the brake switch is acting up. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving just bought a 03 ram 3500 quad 4x4 w/diesel. this truck has lots of power and pulles our gn horse trailer great. pulls the whole family. just the other day it will not shift into overdrive and will not lockup the tc in 3rd either. the cruise control will not turn on. im thinking that these are related some how can anyone help thanks scott .

From : miles

my dodge caliber has that feature. well if i turn on my dakotas wipers then turn them off right away i get a single sweep too. -- john t http//sage1solutions.com/blogs/tknoflyer reduce spam. use sender policy framework http//openspf.org .

From : tbone

on fri 5 jan 2007 211041 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote on fri 5 jan 2007 121224 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote oh gee whiz golly wow . . .i didnt see the invisible ot-budd not allowed to respond statement in this thread. oh i committed a horrible sin of posting a reply to a post by the great roy in an unmoderated group!!!! not at all but you know where this will lead. where will you take it roy probably to the point where you fly into another meltdown. im not at all afraid to accept responsability for my actions. i figure it is about time for you to start the victim bs i am a victim of your secular rants and bigotries. budd honestly you are the victim of mental illness. nothing more and nothing less. still waiting for you to prove you have a license to practice medicine or psychiatry until then you dont amount to squat. budd well...............oh hell forget it. .

From : miles

craig c. wrote whats even more funny is that a turd is that your higher education talking too funny. like yourself that has no education on this subject would tell another person that has 10+ years of education *anything*. how the hell do you know what my background is i dont give a rats ass what yours is. you have no clue. youre just an ordinary ignorant fuck. ah yes. more sophisticated i have a phd talk. see that haze on the horizon its smog and it 2-3 times worse depending on the city now than it was 6 years ago. some cities are worse some much better. 46% of that comes from industry. see that water flowing in the stream/creek/river its 4 times more polluted depending on the city than it was 6 years ago. some rivers worse some better. 64% comes from industry. all of this is a result of relaxed environmental law. very little pollution is natural so i suppose its an easy claim to say that almost 100% comes from people. so what are you saying about your 64% youd rather the majority come from the private sector id rather reduce pollution rather than reduce worthless % figures like yours. .

From : roy

suddenly without warning stephen harding exclaimed 06-jan-07 241 am jmc wrote neither the un or the us are interested cause rwanda doesnt have anything they want or need. if they had oil wed have been there since 1994 no doubt. no doubt how come were not in nigeria then they have oil and serious anti-government insurgency. venezuela has oil and an openly hostile national leader. how come were not taking over that country though im becoming less and less sure that we have the right to stick our noses in any other countrys conflict. the us has enough problems at home we shouldnt be the worlds police. the gist of responses to this thread has been that the us didnt give a damn about rwanda black; no oil but you seem to be advocating the us shouldnt give a damn under *any* circumstances! i still dont understand how some people responding in this thread can advocate an out of iraq policy where oil is the alleged driving consideration while seemingly implying that we should get involved militarily would be required in rwanda-like situations where *no* obvious national interests are involved! i suppose bringing food to starving people has more feel good appeal than bringing democracy to arabs but what if americans end up getting killed doing it probably time for another withdrawl i guess. smh you make a good point; i dont follow international politics enough to know why were not in nigeria venezuela or rwanda but were in iraq and helped kuwait. i also dont know why with all the power and technology at our command we cant catch the one terrorist we really want. all im sure is theres reasons. whether theyre good ones or not i have no idea. im sure thats a matter of opinion too... and im not saying we shouldnt give a damn; we should! but im not sure what gives us the right - moral or otherwise - to involve ourselves so deeply in other countries troubles. yea were stronger for now and theres the axiom about good men doing nothing for evil to prevail. problem is were not doing a particularly good job of trying to be the good guy are we theres also the danger of spreading ourselves too thin giving our enemies a chance maybe to attack while were spread all over the world. theres no right answer to this dilemma unfortunately. im back to lurking; im just no good at arguing politics. so it would seem are some in this group ^. there is nothing wrong with having an opinion and being politically engaged. there is also nothing wrong with intelligent discourse about the direction of the country. when such discourse is the result of an irrational hatred of our leadership is when it becomes humourous to the point of being pitiable. mike jmc .

From : miles

hmmm how bout you find the knock sensor on a 8.0l 488 cid truck engine first before you give out any more wrong information in this group ya know... i was going to do a top 10 list for snow-jobs screwups over the past year on new years eve but decided it would have been too hacky plus i could only come up with 8... but since you kind of brought it up heres my list 1. dodge v10s can retard ignition timing based on knocking 2. 3rd gen 1500s use a gm 8.25 front differential 3. ctd/hemi use different standard axle ratios 4. dodge never put a cat-con on a ctd and wont until 2008 5. diesels cost more per mile to operate than big gassers 6. hemi rams use vacuum for the cruise control 7. 4xre front pump bolts should torque to 100ft.lbs. 8. 2nd/3rd gen 4x4 rams should have their front wheel bearings torn down and re-greased every 100k 9. dont use a 50-50 mix of antifreeze and water pure antifreeze is better. m .

From : miles

fuller rath wrote moderate like joe lieberman. hahahaa you have tilted so fat to the right your lips kiss your butt. no real democrat gives a shit what the dlc-clinton-repubican-lite hacks think lieberman hes just another idiot democrat i mean democrat turned independent turned democrat. .

From : miles

on jan 5 1023 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote id ask for your money back for your worthless phd. 25 years in the industry beats your 10 years of college. good grief. too funny. whats even more funny is that a turd like yourself that has no education on this subject would tell another person that has 10+ years of education *anything*. youre just an ordinary ignorant fuck. no education and no knowledge of this subject at all. youre wasting my time. put down your right wing books. quit being a bush butt monkey. get the facts by reading books written by scientists not politicians or bushites. see that haze on the horizon its smog and it 2-3 times worse depending on the city now than it was 6 years ago. 46% of that comes from industry. see that water flowing in the stream/creek/river its 4 times more polluted depending on the city than it was 6 years ago. 64% comes from industry. all of this is a result of relaxed environmental law. was it bad before yep. but its much worse now. backwards is not the direction a true leader goes. all he had to do was leave the environmental laws alone if he didnt want to lead. i wonder how much all of those companies paid bush to do their bidding see if you find that in your right wing books. craig c. .

From : craig c

tbone wrote lol if that was all he had then the judge would have overturned the verdict. you act like edwards was the only one speaking and that the defense had no witnesses. oh please. any lawyer can get a few expert witnesses to tell the story their way. they are paid for their bs stories. they are career witnesses. the fact remains that the medical industry did not change their stance on the causes of cerebral palsy as a result of edwards absurd claims. quite the opposite. they now say there is even less evidence to support edwards claims than during his trial years. his main interest was making money. pure greed you should be totally against. why is it that the greed of lawyers is acceptable to liberals do you really like making this much of an ass out of yourself edwards was talking about his particular case not all cases in general. not true. during his trials he made the claim that birthing procedures were a major cause of celebral palsy not just in his particular cases. the reason that there are not more of these cases is because after edwards they are much more careful now and most of the cases cerebral palsy found now are due to other reasons. bull. the medical industry produced to changes to birthing guidelines as a result of edwards claims. none whatsoever. no journals were submitted by the industry to guide drs and warn them of problems. edwards is a greedy multi-millionaire and nothing more. yea in those particular cases. like you said in your own distorted way he did the research before taking in these cases. no!! not just in his particular cases. he made the claim it was a major cause and his cases were prime examples. he made the claim he was doing good by altering the industry ways to stop this travesty. he was wrong. there was no travesty other than his pure greed. thats all his cases were about. how to con non-medical oriented juries so he can line his own pockets with millions. nothing has changed. there were never any medical journals coming out to warn drs about incorrect following of procedures etc. nothing from the medical industry at all. lol get real. that is real tbone. no medical journals ever came out as a result of edwards claims. the medical industry did not back him up. the only ones who did were paid so called expert witnesses. that still holds true today. .

From : craig c

chad@pengar.com wrote btw not to put a feather in my own hat hmmmmm.. wearing feathers in your hat ah what else do ya wear with your feathered hat bfg roy prolly a pink tutu! -- ------moparman------ ---signature pending yet another assine comment by mianderson--- .

From : craig c

so roy ... are we thinking a repeat of 2004 pats vs eagles its possible. this time the 3 points will be in our favor. - craig c. .

From : fmb

on dec 31 1127 am fmb f...@sbcglobal.net wrote damn craig sounds like you are working up to a myocardial infarction. keep it up... i was married to a north dallas woman. i can handle *anything*. - craig c. .

From : miles

fuller rath wrote no doubt youre more in tune with brownbutt foley and newtie. great job your side has down fucking everything up. you must want the whole world to be as screwed as you appear to be. the only way you can verify your masculinity is by pecking out inane prattle while you read nambla handouts under a 40 watt light bulb in your closet. wow. im impressed. is this rhetoric what a phd buys these days .

From : miles

fuller rath wrote dipstick youre the one making the out-of-your-ass claims with no proof. quite frankly on your $5.15 an hour burger flipping job you couldnt afford to pay me to do research for you. now crawl back in bed with sean and rush and assume your customary position on all fours. i see. so youre the typical bleeding heart liberal whiner that buys into bs without basis. youve bought into edwards claims even though you have no clue what those claims are even about. too funny. .

From : roy

my 98 quadcab recently starting losing oil pressure for about 2-3 seconds enough time for the gage cluster to ding twice. after dinging the gage goes from 0 back up to 40 lbs. it only does it at a stop at idle and not all the time. 81000 miles. could it be the pump or sending unit going bad and how do i tell wont do it on highway or when moving. has required amount of oil in it and was changed 2 months ago. .

From : craig c

a couple of days ago there was talk about how we should or shouldnt be in iraq. anyway somebody and i i apologize cause i dont remember who were going back and forth about the amount of deaths that was visited upon the civilians by saddam. as to why we should stop him. i was watching discovery about two nuns who were put on trial for crimes against humanity in belgium for their actions in rwanda. a few things jumped out. evidence showed that the catholic church tried to derail the whole trial. but heres the part that got me that makes saddam a rank rookie when it came to mass murder. this was one tribe against another ethnic cleansing in the fast lane. in a period of 90 days over 1 million members of the tutsi were killed. documentation showed that in one 8 hour period over 65000 were killed. bear in mind that most of this was done mostly with machetes not machine guns. that is unbelievable. i read some years ago that there was a war going on but wasnt aware of this. im friggn well amazed at the numbers! these figures are crazy. no outside action by the un by the us nobody. actually the un pulled out then after a period of time talked about going back. this im sure doesnt matter in our discussions but the figures just blew me away. roy one word.... wow exactly!! every so often in nam wed come up with 10 or 15 bodies. thats after a hour or more of heated battle with automatic weapons and at times air strikes. these people were doing up close and personal. that is some serious shit that i guess the world watched and did nothing. roy ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : tbone

john t wrote yes but thats not what im talking about. what im talking about is the ability to activate the control and get a single sweep of the wipers. this feature is usually labeled mist. my dodge caliber has that feature. . 222 327341 dgfnh.19078$pm7.6306@fe13.phx fuller rath wrote myles is still quoting from the moonie times and cybercrap service. next hell be tonguing sean vanity and bill oliely then show me proof that the medical industry has in any way shape or form adopted anything from edwards claims. fact is they havent. not one bit. you wont find it. .

From : miles

tbone wrote then how did he win convinced a jury that has zero medical background. most of his testimony was simply showing the horrible effects of celebral palsy complete with movies showing the bad effects. whats that got to do with guilt wrong again. try reading that crap that you posted. not a single one of them said that it was impossible only unlikely. they said very rare very unlikely. totally opposite of edwards claims. furthermore no changes have been made to accepted practices in birthing. if edwards was right then why havent there been more lawsuits all these years later once again your bias and hatred for anyone or anything democratic prevents you from seeing the truth. the medical industry has determined that it is highly unlikely that errors from the doctor is the cause of celebral palsy and that the damage that causes it most often occurs before birth but highly unlikely does not equate to impossible or even dismissed and not a one of them says that its impossible. that was not edwards stance in his lawsuits. he claimed it was very likely and almost certainly the cause. while it didnt change the procedure as the procedure itself was not the problem you can bet that it makes the doctors and nurses performing it pay far more attention which was the possible cause. nothing has changed. there were never any medical journals coming out to warn drs about incorrect following of procedures etc. nothing from the medical industry at all. .

From : craig c

tbone wrote then how did he win convinced a jury that has zero medical background. most of his testimony was simply showing the horrible effects of celebral palsy complete with movies showing the bad effects. whats that got to do with guilt lol if that was all he had then the judge would have overturned the verdict. you act like edwards was the only one speaking and that the defense had no witnesses. wrong again. try reading that crap that you posted. not a single one of them said that it was impossible only unlikely. they said very rare very unlikely. totally opposite of edwards claims. furthermore no changes have been made to accepted practices in birthing. if edwards was right then why havent there been more lawsuits all these years later do you really like making this much of an ass out of yourself edwards was talking about his particular case not all cases in general. the reason that there are not more of these cases is because after edwards they are much more careful now and most of the cases cerebral palsy found now are due to other reasons. once again your bias and hatred for anyone or anything democratic prevents you from seeing the truth. the medical industry has determined that it is highly unlikely that errors from the doctor is the cause of celebral palsy and that the damage that causes it most often occurs before birth but highly unlikely does not equate to impossible or even dismissed and not a one of them says that its impossible. that was not edwards stance in his lawsuits. he claimed it was very likely and almost certainly the cause. yea in those particular cases. like you said in your own distorted way he did the research before taking in these cases. while it didnt change the procedure as the procedure itself was not the problem you can bet that it makes the doctors and nurses performing it pay far more attention which was the possible cause. nothing has changed. there were never any medical journals coming out to warn drs about incorrect following of procedures etc. nothing from the medical industry at all. lol get real. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : stephen harding

moderate like joe lieberman. hahahaa you have tilted so fat to the right your lips kiss your butt. no real democrat gives a shit what the dlc-clinton-repubican-lite hacks think fuller rath wrote laugh it off loser. hes probably going to be the next prez. i doubt edwards stands a chance. hes not well liked by many dem leaders. the dems need a more moderate candidate. .

From : roy

which christmas did he mean the christian one with the baby jesus in the manger or the secular one with the booze drugs sins etc. its christs mass in the original form. budd on thu 4 jan 2007 214734 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote then he knows a different jesus than i do. budd hell we already knew that. roy wished everybody in here a merry christmas. all you did was try a new troll. beekeep -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

big al wrote on thu 4 jan 2007 114403 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote that is unbelievable. i read some years ago that there was a war going on but wasnt aware of this. im friggn well amazed at the numbers! these figures are crazy. no outside action by the un by the us nobody. actually the un pulled out then after a period of time talked about going back. this im sure doesnt matter in our discussions but the figures just blew me away. roy theyre not white so we look the other way. its really no different in our cities. beekeep and they have no oil. al and theyre in the under 38% tax bracket and never went to decent schools like harvard or stanford dont drive mercedes and arent members of the yacht club and ... sheesh! smh .

From : craig c

roy wrote clamp g pshh ... fuck the clamp. gimme a gun so i can blow my brains out. heaven forbid that someone actually know more about *anything* than miles. 10 years of college and pursuit of a phd on this shit and he still demands that he and mr. bush have all of the answers. change the gender and he could be my ex-wife. you have to be understanding with some of the group. they have woken up and found their leader to be wrong found themselves out of the main stream with public opinion some of their idols are chaseing young men others say one thing from the pulpit and shack up with their paid boyfriend. some are probably thinking if they caught him will they catch me it is a lot for some zealots to adjust to. im sure that with a little understanding and compassion some will come to terms with reality and move ahead. others well..... gbfg roy - craig c. .

From : stephen harding

budd ill ask once and only once. its been asked before so dont worry about it. is it really beyond your ability to stay out of arguments i mean shoot youve been posting again for what a week and already you tbone and roy are into it err so to speak. all i have to do is express an opinion belief or attitude not in accordance to their rules and it starts. ah yes they started it. but do you have to finish it did they have to start it i dont believe it!!! you brought me into it. you had your last and it just wasnt good enough was it you are truly on sick person. when did you change your name to they read chriss post that you responded to. so i mentioned the names of those that have most aggressively attacked my beliefs politics etc. if you didnt want that to happen you shoulds kept out of the discussion. how many times have you used my name in a derogatory fashion roy how many four letter names have you called me you have no right to throw that first stone. the question should be was i wrong to call you a name after you accuse me of beig bigoted and other bs im sorry but i dont see how telling you that you are what you accuse others of being warrants such a reaction. calling a pig a pig is not name calling. calling a pig insert preferred profanity is. no you dont get a free ride with any longer. tanstaafl. ive known that for years. you as much as anyone has told me to shut up as you will again in a couple lines. like i said i did nothing no one else was doing i just didnt pat their backs and tell them everything wil be fine i guess it is impossible for them to let me be different. seriously dude if they annoy you like you say or they attack as you so im not going to get into the debate about what i see going on with anyone then why do you engage them in these arguments why not turn the other cheek where did he say christian he said you!! stop useing your new found belief s as a excuse for your phoney bullshit. thats the problem roy its not new found but rather fully engaged chrisitanity. ive been born again since 1977.i just decided to let go and let god. have some dignity and stand up like a man for gosh sakes! bwahahaha!!!!!! if standing up like a man meant being a bigoted idiotic liberal like yourself im fine thanks. ah more name calling and labeling. how very christian of you. and what names have you used to refer to me i merely state an observation based on what you write. as do i. ah calling me a four letter name is an observation according to you why is it the christian always has to back off turn the other cheek hide in the corner and not say anything that rocks the liberal atheistic socialist leaky boat in this respect i have to be honest with you you sound just like them. my sincere hope is that you will seriously think about it. i have. and what you see is the result of that thought process prayers bible study more prayers discussions with my pastor retired marine chaplain perhaps in your discusssions you should invite your pastor to read what you have posted over the past month or so. perhaps then he will be able to advise you. but ya wont do that cause then he too will see ya for the phoney you are. actually we do discuss you and others not by name t-bone and your postings direct towards me and he agrees you clowns are disciminating against christians. no your postings. show them to your pastor. if he feels we are discriminating then he is troubled as you are. no need. like i said weve discussed it and he sees the same stuff as i do. ah no need you say. why afraid he might find out how screwed up you really are rotflmbo!! it just goes to show to me that i am following my beliefs. you dont like it oh well it was a free country . . . you truly dont want any help do you nope no need. i have the bible i have several bible study sites many have been listed here and a fine pastor that teaches the word as it is written. dont worry im well past the stage of offering any. heck thats no revelation. i too am from scottish irish and indian decent. i know full well what temper comes with the blood line. excellent!!! then you understand the difficulties of not losing ones temper and for me that strength comes from god. . . .unless i screw up and refuse his help. again i ask you why does the christian have to back down all the time that is being discriminatory. my words opinions beliefs and attitudes are of no more nor no less value that theirs. i am not more valuable nor less valuable in my opinion than they are to society. hmmm im not saying you have to back down all the time or that the christian should always back down. but we too have had the discussion about foolish and fruitless arguements and what the bible has to say about them. defending ones beliefs is never foolish. still ive not seen them

From : roy

tbone wrote because there was no need. if you even bothered to read that right wing crap that you posted you would see that it was completely politically motivated crap. edwards claims about celebral palsy were complete crap. then how did he win the medical industry has not adopted his claims in any way shape or form. not even close. wrong again. try reading that crap that you posted. not a single one of them said that it was impossible only unlikely. his findings were ridiculed and dismissed by the medical industry. once again your bias and hatred for anyone or anything democratic prevents you from seeing the truth. the medical industry has determined that it is highly unlikely that errors from the doctor is the cause of celebral palsy and that the damage that causes it most often occurs before birth but highly unlikely does not equate to impossible or even dismissed and not a one of them says that its impossible. youd think if he were right it would have changed procedures completely. lol more complete crap. it is not the procedure that can cause it it is not following it correctly and/or not looking for problems during it and while unlikely it is not impossible for it to happen and be the cause. edwards claims did no such thing. while it didnt change the procedure as the procedure itself was not the problem you can bet that it makes the doctors and nurses performing it pay far more attention which was the possible cause. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : craig c

miles wrote christ youre thick. for the umpteenth time a set of command and control laws with levels that cannot be violated. not vouchers to be traded! thats a plan wow you should run for office. yep its a plan. set limits/standards on what gets returned to the environment by industry. its that easy. the air and water taken in to process the product must be treated *better* than it is now. right now how well the air and water are treated depends on how many vouchers the company has. rediculous. clamp g roy craig c. .

From : miles

beekeep wrote on thu 4 jan 2007 114403 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote a couple of days ago there was talk about how we should or shouldnt be in iraq. anyway somebody and i i apologize cause i dont remember who were going back and forth about the amount of deaths that was visited upon the civilians by saddam. as to why we should stop him. i was watching discovery about two nuns who were put on trial for crimes against humanity in belgium for their actions in rwanda. a few things jumped out. evidence showed that the catholic church tried to derail the whole trial. but heres the part that got me that makes saddam a rank rookie when it came to mass murder. this was one tribe against another ethnic cleansing in the fast lane. in a period of 90 days over 1 million members of the tutsi were killed. documentation showed that in one 8 hour period over 65000 were killed. bear in mind that most of this was done mostly with machetes not machine guns. that is unbelievable. i read some years ago that there was a war going on but wasnt aware of this. im friggn well amazed at the numbers! these figures are crazy. no outside action by the un by the us nobody. actually the un pulled out then after a period of time talked about going back. this im sure doesnt matter in our discussions but the figures just blew me away. roy theyre not white so we look the other way. its really no different in our cities. beekeep so true so true and so sad. jam .

From : bill dunkinfield

on thu 4 jan 2007 214734 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote then he knows a different jesus than i do. budd hell we already knew that. roy wished everybody in here a merry christmas. all you did was try a new troll. beekeep .

From : miles

tbone wrote because there was no need. if you even bothered to read that right wing crap that you posted you would see that it was completely politically motivated crap. edwards claims about celebral palsy were complete crap. the medical industry has not adopted his claims in any way shape or form. not even close. his findings were ridiculed and dismissed by the medical industry. youd think if he were right it would have changed procedures completely. edwards claims did no such thing. .

From : miles

on thu 4 jan 2007 114403 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote a couple of days ago there was talk about how we should or shouldnt be in iraq. anyway somebody and i i apologize cause i dont remember who were going back and forth about the amount of deaths that was visited upon the civilians by saddam. as to why we should stop him. i was watching discovery about two nuns who were put on trial for crimes against humanity in belgium for their actions in rwanda. a few things jumped out. evidence showed that the catholic church tried to derail the whole trial. but heres the part that got me that makes saddam a rank rookie when it came to mass murder. this was one tribe against another ethnic cleansing in the fast lane. in a period of 90 days over 1 million members of the tutsi were killed. documentation showed that in one 8 hour period over 65000 were killed. bear in mind that most of this was done mostly with machetes not machine guns. that is unbelievable. i read some years ago that there was a war going on but wasnt aware of this. im friggn well amazed at the numbers! these figures are crazy. no outside action by the un by the us nobody. actually the un pulled out then after a period of

From : craig c

fuller rath wrote laugh it off loser. hes probably going to be the next prez. i doubt edwards stands a chance. hes not well liked by many dem leaders. the dems need a more moderate candidate. dont bet on that miles he has a strong following in the south and is not going to be so easily spun negative like kerry allowed. the problem for you now is that the general population is beginning to easily see thru the right wing spin as evident by the results of the last congressional election. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

fuller rath wrote laugh it off loser. hes probably going to be the next prez. i doubt edwards stands a chance. hes not well liked by many dem leaders. the dems need a more moderate candidate. .

From : miles

craig c. wrote any *plan* requiring certain standards to be met for the polluted air and water returned to the environment. right now there are standards but a compnay is allowed to trade those vouchers away. and what plan is that i brought up kyoto because its the most prominent plan currently around the globe and about the only one anyones even discussing. you whine about me bringing up kyoto when for the past several years liberals and democrats have been whining about bush not signing the kyoto treaty. bush told congress dems included to give him a better plan. they have not done so. .

From : craig c

budd ill ask once and only once. its been asked before so dont worry about it. is it really beyond your ability to stay out of arguments i mean shoot youve been posting again for what a week and already you tbone and roy are into it err so to speak. all i have to do is express an opinion belief or attitude not in accordance to their rules and it starts. ah yes they started it. but do you have to finish it did they have to start it i dont believe it!!! you brought me into it. you had your last and it just wasnt good enough was it you are truly on sick person. when did you change your name to they read chriss post that you responded to. you as much as anyone has told me to shut up as you will again in a couple lines. like i said i did nothing no one else was doing i just didnt pat their backs and tell them everything wil be fine i guess it is impossible for them to let me be different. seriously dude if they annoy you like you say or they attack as you so im not going to get into the debate about what i see going on with anyone then why do you engage them in these arguments why not turn the other cheek where did he say christian he said you!! stop useing your new found belief s as a excuse for your phoney bullshit. thats the problem roy its not new found but rather fully engaged chrisitanity. ive been born again since 1977.i just decided to let go and let god. have some dignity and stand up like a man for gosh sakes! bwahahaha!!!!!! if standing up like a man meant being a bigoted idiotic liberal like yourself im fine thanks. ah more name calling and labeling. how very christian of you. why is it the christian always has to back off turn the other cheek hide in the corner and not say anything that rocks the liberal atheistic socialist leaky boat in this respect i have to be honest with you you sound just like them. my sincere hope is that you will seriously think about it. i have. and what you see is the result of that thought process prayers bible study more prayers discussions with my pastor retired marine chaplain perhaps in your discusssions you should invite your pastor to read what you have posted over the past month or so. perhaps then he will be able to advise you. but ya wont do that cause then he too will see ya for the phoney you are. actually we do discuss you and others not by name t-bone and your postings direct towards me and he agrees you clowns are disciminating against christians. no your postings. show them to your pastor. if he feels we are discriminating then he is troubled as you are. i too am from scottish irish and indian decent. i know full well what temper comes with the blood line. excellent!!! then you understand the difficulties of not losing ones temper and for me that strength comes from god. . . .unless i screw up and refuse his help. again i ask you why does the christian have to back down all the time that is being discriminatory. my words opinions beliefs and attitudes are of no more nor no less value that theirs. i am not more valuable nor less valuable in my opinion than they are to society. hmmm im not saying you have to back down all the time or that the christian should always back down. but we too have had the discussion about foolish and fruitless arguements and what the bible has to say about them. defending ones beliefs is never foolish. still ive not seen them tell each other to back off just me. now who attacked your beliefs in this thread prior to this post did i say any one did my but youre quick to jump on my case . . . and for no reason. i said that anymore if i post anything that doesnt agree with the liberals the unions et al then i get jumped on for it. face the facts like a man yourself roy. all i said to chris is that defending your beliefs is never wrong and it is never wrong. you are spinning. and i also said that you have never told t-bone or theguy to back off theyve never told you to either but you all have told me to shut up at least once. do you think that there may be a reason for it are we to hide it under a bushel to keep from offending those that hate christ jesus said i come to bring a sword. and to set brother against brother. as for them if they believe as christians do there isnt enough evidence to put a spot on their shirts let alone show anyone else that they believe. being a christian has nothing to do with responding to your mindless bs. youre absolutely right roy. notice how much more civil chris is than you t-bone or theguy you will eventually alianate him as well if your past record is any indication. my guess is he will disagree with you and he will become a bigot be accused of christian bashing or some other of your usual crap. no ive never accused you of responding in a christian manner be assured. theyve refused to answer direct q

From : stephen harding

ah the liberal un peacekeepers in inaction again . . . you just cant help yourself can ya the un sent peacekeepers who promptly looked away took bribes and generally did nothing and you are surprised no they were in country and pulled out then returned. maybe you should try fox they reported this moths ago. maybe you should should stop you endless crap and looking for a problem. you should know from past experience that your continued screwing around always ends with you playing the victim and crying about it. you had your last at the other thread if you care to continue........... oh fox just reported this a couple of months ago it happened in 1994. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote on dec 31 1229 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote big snip them. reading a few headlines that only mention one side of the story is a liberal trait you clearly have. i wont enter a pissing contest with you. take your labels and stck them up your ass. not everyone that disagrees with your nazi-like mindless-following view is a liberal. oh now thats too funny. you whine about labels while again tossing out one yourself. typical liberal. deny who and what they are. .

From : miles

max dodge wrote yeah i got that first time. so what you are saying is that we went into a country after a ghost essentially. not at all. i never said it was reason to go in. i merely stated my belief there were wmds that existed and that saddam had ample time to move them. again i say there were better ways of projecting our power than putting an expeditionary force on the ground in iraq. aircraft carriers come to mind. and do exactly what with those carriers sit there with them launch air attacks a war can not be won from the air if thats what your thinking is. .

From : mike simmons

i think the air pumped just seized today on my dakota squealing belts smoke neighbour looking at me and laughing wife asking me why i dont buy a new truck -- the works -- the thing aint spinning. ok its almost 20 years old. i havent taken the pump off yet. do they just go was there some sort of maintenance i could have done to prevent this can i fix/rebuild it or should i just swap it for a re-conditioned unit thx. happy new year. .

From : craig c

alan smithee wrote i think the air pumped just seized today on my dakota squealing belts smoke neighbour looking at me and laughing wife asking me why i dont buy a new truck -- the works -- the thing aint spinning. ok its almost 20 years old. i havent taken the pump off yet. do they just go was there some sort of maintenance i could have done to prevent this can i fix/rebuild it or should i just swap it for a re-conditioned unit thx. happy new year. yes they fail just like everything else mechanical. check with the bone yards. -- ..bob 2006 fxdi hot rod 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .

From : mike simmons

from his mom. it was the only one of him sober. just teasing -- beekeep is a fine man im sure. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. stormin mormon cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com wrote in message lets see if my email program accepts pics. after all it doesnt say its a binary group. at least mine wont be 700 kb. -- where did you get that pic of beekeep at vbfg denny .

From : craig c

it sure is and bush has sold us out! the liberty i was referencing in the subject is a jeep. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : craig c

on dec 31 1229 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote big snip them. reading a few headlines that only mention one side of the story is a liberal trait you clearly have. i wont enter a pissing contest with you. take your labels and stck them up your ass. not everyone that disagrees with your nazi-like mindless-following view is a liberal. i wont humor you but if you play your cards right maybe tbone will spar with your nonsense. craig c. .

From : miles

so i guess those of you that think that gw is and has been doing the right thing in the desert support his idea of sending 20000 to 30000 more troops in. would that be a correct guess i didnt support it when kerry suggested it and i dont support it now as i dont feel its a solution. however if a change in policy tactics strategy etc were to accompany that increase in troops id be open to ideas. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author at 1159pm est saddam hussein was hung to death!!!!!!!!! so i guess those of you that think that gw is and has been doing the right thing in the desert support his idea of sending 20000 to 30000 more troops in. would that be a correct guess roy .

From : mike simmons

at 1159pm est saddam hussein was hung to death!!!!!!!!! so i guess those of you that think that gw is and has been doing the right thing in the desert support his idea of sending 20000 to 30000 more troops in. would that be a correct guess roy hell no man i never supported that piece of shit bush and damn sure will never suppose this bullshit war. i am however very gald that saddam is dead he was a very sick and twisted bastard. shall we no forget he used mustard gas on the kurds just because he could. i know where you stand larry. it is the others i am curious about. i sorta tagged onto your op. sorta sad that it comes down to liberal conservatives and any other name ya care to use. we are americans who imo find that our leaders have fucked the pooch and now are trying to save face. gerry ford if he had said publicly his feelings when he gave the interview who know what weight it would have carried then. gotta support a policey no matter how flawed. easy to do i guess when ya arent the one being shot at. havent we learned anything from vn roy roy .

From : azwiley1

on dec 31 552 am mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote i am sooo damned tired of hearing this leftist bullshit. exactly how did bush and his admisnistration lie please cite an example of this lie. until you can do so please remain silent on what you know nothing about 1 iraq has and is developing weapons of mass destruction. -proved a lie a lie are you absolutely sure you want to go there make absolutely sure! you still have an opportunity to save face and not be shown as a fool. the choice is yours. umm mike ihave to ask where you are going with this ok so to flat out say this statement is a lie might be a stretch however the un and others stated on repeated occassion that there was no evidence to be found to indicated any wmd or wmd production. wiley where im going is wherever the op wants to go. if he insists that bush lied i can and will prove him to be the fool he is. first of all what is a lie secondly and the crux of the matter acting on faulty intelligence and deliberately promoting a falsehood are two entirely different things. if he truly believes and i think he doesnt that bush lied then he has a hell of a lot of company because clinton kerry albright et al lied right along with him. it is one thing to have differing opinions about the president the direction of the country the war etc. thats what make this country great. but to make a statement that bush lied when clearly he didnt is the height of stupidity and shows the true ignorance of facts of the person making that statement. if not ignorance then political bias which allows one to distort facts is just as bad. there are many things bush can be legitimately condemned for but the ops assertion that he lied aint one of em. that is why i gave him an out. an opportunity to reconsider his position before he destroys any credibility he once had. mike bush opted against all others to go in there to find these wdms and low and behold we came up empty. 2 iraq is aiding and and giving safe haven to al quada. -proved a lie see above 3 iraq is a threat to our freedom. -rediculous lie. see above thats what comes to my mind. craig c. .

From : miles

you mean clintons advise that saddam needs to be dealt with in a serious manner yup exactly that advice. you mean clintons advise that on the day clinton left office saddam had wmds that one is subject to debate. i find the fact that colin powell has spoken out on the issue in the derogatory very condemning. still no concrete facts exist either way primarily because the reports claiming their existance have been called into question. i leave this one thought in defense of the events leading to iraq i find in my studies of history that presidents often knew more than they could disclose to the public. however questions still abound. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max dodge wrote actually its been widely known for some time now that bush ignored the clinton administration advisors on this issue. you mean clintons advise that saddam needs to be dealt with in a serious manner you mean clintons advise that on the day clinton left office saddam had wmds .

From : azwiley1

max dodge wrote actually its been widely known for some time now that bush ignored the clinton administration advisors on this issue. you mean clintons advise that saddam needs to be dealt with in a serious manner you mean clintons advise that on the day clinton left office saddam had wmds .

From : craig c

on dec 31 1136 am max dodge max...@verizon.net wrote any particular reason for the sale errr ... provided there is nothing wrong with it ... tell me more. my lady needs something new ... craig c. .

From : miles

.net magazine article march/1998 britains .net magazine featured my website on page 17 of their march 1998 issue number 42. they quote from the faq pages and also include some details of the evidence i have tried to present on my website. the age of some of the material on the website shows in this review which says the case has been discussed in uk.* groups during the past year. at this time march 1998 it has been discussed on uk.misc for three years and there are still occasional traces of the discussion going on. 218 -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

roy wrote so i guess those of you that think that gw is and has been doing the right thing in the desert support his idea of sending 20000 to 30000 more troops in. would that be a correct guess we probably do need more troops at least for a time. but the bigger problem is a lack of clear plans of exactly what to do with the troops that are there as well as how to deploy any new troops. .

From : mike simmons

at 1159pm est saddam hussein was hung to death!!!!!!!!! so i guess those of you that think that gw is and has been doing the right thing in the desert support his idea of sending 20000 to 30000 more troops in. would that be a correct guess roy hell no man i never supported that piece of shit bush and damn sure will never suppose this bullshit war. i am however very gald that saddam is dead he was a very sick and twisted bastard. shall we no forget he used mustard gas on the kurds just because he could. .

From : craig c

bush and his administration lied to the american people and our representatives to get support for the invasion of iraq. our invasion of iraq had nothing to do with threats to the us or the war on terror. it had nothing to do with freeing the iraq people or establishing a democracy in the middle east. terrific all of this is debatable and i might even agree with you. but it has nothing to do with the lie and untruth you purvey below can you give me one reason why our president ordered the death of so many innocent people find the order and ill gladly debate the issue with you. until you find that order you are wrong in claiming there is one. thus your question is invalid in that it has no facts on which to base an answer. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max dodge wrote over 50000 civilian deaths in the iraq war and occupation. the lives of early 3000 of our own military personal. despite what you may want to believe bush isnt responsible for all civilian deaths. nor is our military. as part of our military one accepts the risk of being killed in the line of duty as such bush is not responsible for those deaths either. thats the facts like it or not. were there a way to pin the deaths on bush id certainly admit it and agree with you. but you are wrong. saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. yup and if bush had killed 150 of our civilians in the u.s. simply because they are not of the same faith/ancestry as he was and he did it by using torture methods and a secret police force then maybe bush would be equivalent to hussein. until then you are way off base. -- max bush and his administration lied to the american people and our representatives to get support for the invasion of iraq. our invasion of iraq had nothing to do with threats to the us or the war on terror. it had nothing to do with freeing the iraq people or establishing a democracy in the middle east. can you give me one reason why our president ordered the death of so many innocent people jam .

From : stephen harding

roy wrote this im sure doesnt matter in our discussions but the figures just blew me away. iraq was never about the iraqi people despite the spectalular quotes indicating otherwise in any conflict your fate will depend on your action. do not destroy oil wells a source of wealth that belongs to the iraqi people. do not obey any command to use weapons of mass destruction against anyone including the iraqi people. war crimes will be prosecuted. war criminals will be punished. and it will be no defense to say i was just following orders. -g.w. bush craig c. .

From : stephen harding

craig c. wrote on jan 3 727 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote all signers. i agree with bush in not signing on to it. a better treaty or national plan is needed. *any* plan is better than what we have. right now pullution vouchers are traded and sold. thats rediculous. kyoto was a feel good treaty that wont accomplish anything. even the europeans that were pushing for it and so critical of the us in not signing it havent implemented much of what was required of them by it. furthermore it is now estimated that china will supplant the us as the #1 greenhouse gas emitter in a mere 9 years instead of the formerly predicted 12-15 years. china isnt covered under kyoto. and neither are india indonesia or brazil i believe all up and coming global polluters. putting greenhouse gas emissions on an economic basis i.e. trading them as if money is perhaps the most promising development coming largely from the us in effective control of this sort of pollution. heck even gun ho lefty type environmentalists seem to be coming around to it. i think it has a lot of promise. we have to wait and see but given it is *economics* that make the world go round it seems the ultimate way to go. smh .

From : azwiley1

on jan 2 835 pm azwiley1 azwil...@cox.net wrote me ill fucking run! what does the group want 1 no illegal immigrants. large penalties for companies that break the rules. 2 environmental policy based scientific evidence made by the government not corporations and lobbyists. 3 foriegn policy that will regain the respect we once had. 4 balanced budget with a plan to pay the 11 trillion were going owe by the time dumbass gets out of office. 5 a method or set of laws to keep american jobs in america. not india china ireland and eastern europe. 6 peace. 7 government involvement in cleaner renewable energy and a plan to become completely self sufficient. come up with a platform that addresses these concerns and youll have my vote and that of my fellow students and co-workers. craig c. .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote in some senses afghanistan and iraq are very much alike. if either of those countries really wanted us to end all the problems within they would step up and help us achieve the goal what ever that may be. besides i am personally sick of seeing the us act as the god damned world police! we cant protect ourselves right now if we had too and we all know that most would not likely come to our aide. ok afghanistan is out. so what should of been the uss response to 9/11 .

From : miles

on jan 2 831 pm azwiley1 azwil...@cox.net wrote oh yeah real smart. lets put a hypocritical ass like mr. im an ex-pow mccain in office. not only does he support the ass bush in the war in iraq but he has clearly stated that he supports an increase in troops over there. to boot let put another ass in office that will fuck the military over more then it has been since clintons reduction in force. okay ... well apparently you dont care for mccain much. - what gave me away why do you say hes hypocritical he is a person that uses constantly his former pow and ex-military card to suit his own personal and political gain. he loves to spout off about how he supports the military and vets then he has voted against damn near everything for them. question answered im not familiar with mccains platform regarding the military. perhaps i will check into that a bit. the items that are important to me he has a good stand on environment budgeting immigration. admitedly most of my information on him is dated when he ran in 2000. in our brief discussion before you had indicated that an edwards-obama team was your preference i have no doubt that they will have a decent environmental policy. however immigration and budgeting are an unknown. usually i dont agree with *any* democrat on immigration. craig c. .

From : craig c

a couple of days ago there was talk about how we should or shouldnt be in iraq. anyway somebody and i i apologize cause i dont remember who were going back and forth about the amount of deaths that was visited upon the civilians by saddam. as to why we should stop him. i was watching discovery about two nuns who were put on trial for crimes against humanity in belgium for their actions in rwanda. a few things jumped out. evidence showed that the catholic church tried to derail the whole trial. but heres the part that got me that makes saddam a rank rookie when it came to mass murder. this was one tribe against another ethnic cleansing in the fast lane. in a period of 90 days over 1 million members of the tutsi were killed. documentation showed that in one 8 hour period over 65000 were killed. bear in mind that most of this was done mostly with machetes not machine guns. that is unbelievable. i read some years ago that there was a war going on but wasnt aware of this. im friggn well amazed at the numbers! these figures are crazy. no outside action by the un by the us nobody. actually the un pulled out then after a period of time talked about going back. this im sure doesnt matter in our discussions but the figures just blew me away. roy one word.... wow -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote miles like i is in az and i can tell you that here in az what miles is saying holds true. we have some of the largest govt contract companies in the world here as well as govt organizations such as nasa. just about everyone of them is currently hiring for the types of positions that miles is refering too. you have to factor in geographical area when you are talking about jobs as the location effects the market. true but its much more than just az. my company deals with high tech firms nationwide and theyre all struggling to find highly skilled engineers. few people are going into these areas. we do have many government contracts but much of our business is in the private sector as well. .

From : miles

budd ill ask once and only once. its been asked before so dont worry about it. is it really beyond your ability to stay out of arguments i mean shoot youve been posting again for what a week and already you tbone and roy are into it err so to speak. all i have to do is express an opinion belief or attitude not in accordance to their rules and it starts. i guess it is impossible for them to let me be different. seriously dude if they annoy you like you say or they attack as you so im not going to get into the debate about what i see going on with anyone then why do you engage them in these arguments why not turn the other cheek why is it the christian always has to back off turn the other cheek hide in the corner and not say anything that rocks the liberal atheistic socialist leaky boat in this respect i have to be honest with you you sound just like them. my sincere hope is that you will seriously think about it. i have. and what you see is the result of that thought process prayers bible study more prayers discussions with my pastor retired marine chaplain and my irish welsh scottish english cherokee ancestry. again i ask you why does the christian have to back down all the time that is being discriminatory. my words opinions beliefs and attitudes are of no more nor no less value that theirs. i am not more valuable nor less valuable in my opinion than they are to society. chris the question you asked isnt worded fairly. it puts the entire responsibility on me instead of all involved in the discussion. why didnt you ask why they dont back down or keep their mouth shut or . . . . afterall they are as responsible for the arguments as i am. i wish you a happy and succesful new year. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote software engineering jobs are gone for the most part only in the .com or web internet fields where software guru jobs are falling fast. in the industrial aerospace fields the demand is very high. in the past decade or more people didnt go into these fields. computer science majors were few in our universities. they all went into the failed .com industry instead. i work in a specialized field dealing with measurement of stress force and torque. our buyers are major employers in the industrial medical and aerospace industries. theyre struggling to find highly skilled engineers. what has dropped off is demand for .com geeks that have been outsourced. so whats wrong with that job is it beneath you nope. its where i worked for many years. the market fell and i moved on to other areas. live and adapt where the market is growing. software engineers electronics engineers and electro-mechanical engineers are very tough to find. not in dallas ... then look where they are such as phoenix denver las vegas etc. why 60+ mpg. whats coming out of the tailpipe is clean. whats not to like youll never save in gas to pay for the absurdly high purchase price of the hybrid. further more the pollution created in the manufacture of hybrids is far higher than a convention car. they are anything but green. so ... then youll wait for everyone else to invest as i told one other person in this ng its your right as an american to sit by and *nothing* while everyone else resolves the issues. perhaps a bit pathetic but your right nonetheless. as i said the public has to fund it and that means creating viable affordable technologies. we arent there yet. so is your house entirely powered with solar or some other non-polluting technology what are you doing on a dodge truck group if you own nothing but hybrids nuff said. .

From : miles

on jan 3 803 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote this is simply not true. companies in the high tech industrial and aerospace engineering fields are having a tough time finding workers to fill the spots. electronics engineers are especially hard to find. im in the industry as well and have been for 17 years. i still work 30+ hours per week while going to school. i dont know where youre located but your situation is not the norm. software engineering jobs are gone for the most part ... and salaries have dropped dramatically .... as in 30% or more depending on the area. its a fact miles our high tech jobs are disappearing at an alarming rate. manufacturing is all but gone. you consider these manufacturing jobs insignificant but i personally know a lot of people that would kick your ass if they heard you say that. in the northeast what was once a fairly secure and good steel or iron working job is now gone .... to china. what has dropped off is demand for .com geeks that have been outsourced. so whats wrong with that job is it beneath you granted it isnt my choice of development either but i know some smart folks that use to do before marganundum arumugum took it away. software engineers electronics engineers and electro-mechanical engineers are very tough to find. not in dallas ... i will buy a viable product. however i do not feel current hybrid cars are a viable product. why 60+ mpg. whats coming out of the tailpipe is clean. whats not to like at best their technology may in some day help in creating a viable alternative fueled car. so ... then youll wait for everyone else to invest as i told one other person in this ng its your right as an american to sit by and *nothing* while everyone else resolves the issues. perhaps a bit pathetic but your right nonetheless. craig c. .

From : craig c

jesus h. christ. the washington times and cybercrap . im surprised you didnt post faux and nro as well. now do you have any credible sources or are you perpetually embedded in sun dung moons ass fuller rath wrote no the way it works moron is since you are making the claim you show the proof. jesus; you mouth breathers all have acute cranial rectitus! you like so many of your ilk will never define what proof is. you just rant with your rhetoric. in a court the burden of proof is on the accuser. in this case it was john edwards. he convinced a jury that had no medical background whatsoever. he never proved anything to the medical industry of his claims. ill side with the medical industry rather than a bunch of liberal scum lawyers who had only money on their minds and not anyones health. http//washingtontimes.com/national/20040816-011234-1949r.htm in 2003 the american academy of pediatrics and the american college of obstetricians and gynecologists published a joint study that cast serious doubt on whether events at childbirth cause cerebral palsy. the vast majority of cerebral palsy cases originate long before childbirth according to the study. http//www.cns.com/viewpolitics.asppage=%5cpolitics%5carchive%5c200401%5cpol20040120a.html the cause of cerebral palsy has been debated since the 19th century. some medical studies dating back to at least the 1980s asserted that doctors could do very little to cause cerebral palsy during the birthing process. two new studies in 2003 further undermined the scientific premise of the high profile court cases that helped edwards become a multi-millionaire and finance his own successful campaign for the u.s. senate. .

From : miles

i heard that if it happened in arkansaas... it stays in arkansas... .

From : miles

why didnt clinton act upon that evidence why did he continue top weaken our armed forces i believe the evidence proves thet clinton did act on the evidence he had. however he admits they failed to capitalize on the opportunities. ok which will it be administration or congress next you should be aware that base closings have nothing to do with the size of our military in terms of troop strength. really where you gonna stack up all those soldiers and sailors for storage for training what about their equipment ships come on scott youre being dumber than t-bone about this. and you are completely skirting the issue. you claimed there was a liberal congess throughout the 90s but thats just not so. base closings are used to consolodate and economizeuse of equipment not to cut troops. fact is the bases in pa were national guard bases not regular army as such consolodation made sense. except for the civilian jobs. what party was in charge of the congress during that time period republican. how many of those congressmen were on that committee and or had influence on it come on scott youre slipping. the majority held the majority. slipping yeah slipping into a laughing fit while you deny historical record. if they were the majority how would they need to get the majority back sorry budd you are making no sense here. i am but youre not reading it right congress has democrat leadership congress loses democrat leadership democrats lie cheat steal etc. to get leadership back. congress hasnt had democratic leadership since before the time period that you are claiming liberals were running the joint. thats why you arent making sense. as to the lies... well both sides are guilty of that. point here is this you are as guilty of being blinded by partisan ideals as anyone. its the liberal way scott. no its not. its the political way. pompous are we now shove it. its hard to be anything less than pompous when you are suggesting that a republican led congress over the past 12-14 years is somehow liberal. its clear you just dont have a grasp of facts when putting together your comments on this subject. i assure you if you check the history books youll find that the liberal congress of which you speak does not exist. thus this is one of them. ok whatever. im beginning to see things about you that i find distressing. i reply in kind. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author .

From : craig c

hi dodge fans. which bank is the 1/1 o2 sensor located on a 06 ram 5.7 hemi cheers . the rebel. drivers side exhaust manifold in front of the cat. .

From : stephen harding

its under wty let the dealer fix it .

From : craig c

so roy ... are we thinking a repeat of 2004 pats vs eagles its possible. this time the 3 points will be in our favor. - the pats have to get by the jets this sunday before i do any speculation. the pats are pretty healthy right now though. we will see.g roy craig c. .

From : roy

george george@yourservice.com wrote in stormin mormon cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com wrote in message how about a govenment grant hmmm. i thought conservatives were all against government handouts. yet here you are suggesting the government give you one. interesting. george conservative too fat to run too scared to fight im no runner but im more than happy to stand and fight. ken then why arent you over in iraq fighting george they wont take me. why not george probably because they dont take cowards. .

From : craig c

stormin mormon cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com wrote in message how about a govenment grant hmmm. i thought conservatives were all against government handouts. yet here you are suggesting the government give you one. interesting. george conservative too fat to run too scared to fight im no runner but im more than happy to stand and fight. ken then why arent you over in iraq fighting george they wont take me. why not george .

From : craig c

miles wrote 2 environmental policy based scientific evidence made by the government not corporations and lobbyists. scientists do not agree on much. well the scientists that are in the public eye anyway. environmentalist lobbiests who claim scientific evidence are even worse. i dont disagree. environmentalists fall into two groups 1 conservations and 2 preservationists. 90% of preservationists are idiots and theyre the ones you see on tv making asses of themselves. they are also the same group that has a presence in washington. conservationists on the other hand which make up about 95% of the environmental movement have a much more balanced view and are the ones behind the scenes doing the work that is grossly misrepresented by the preservationists. the difference is simple preservationists believe that a fly or a blade of grass has the same right to live that humans do. conservationists believe that nature is here to serve humans and as long as we arent putting nature in the hole ie. depleting the natural resources faster than than they can be created. for example we are depleteing the worlds oil supply. therefore a new approach to energy use and creation is required. 3 foriegn policy that will regain the respect we once had. selling out as clinton did with nk and china among others isnt respect or at least not the form i want. would you shut up about clinton already jesus ... let it go. the world does not respect us. we need to fix that. period. 4 balanced budget with a plan to pay the 11 trillion were going owe by the time dumbass gets out of office. id like to see a balanced budget as well but dont count on it. its all political smoke and mirrors such as clintons so call surplus. were in debt. we should pay it back. we should live within our means. simple. easy. 5 a method or set of laws to keep american jobs in america. not india china ireland and eastern europe. what set of laws might that be suggestions have been made to punish companies that outsource. the result is they pack up and leave all together. whats needed is incentives to keep the jobs here. not laws against outsourcing. remembering back to my days sitting in economics at 700am ... there are two types of laws. 1 command and control and 2 incentive based. each type of law has its place. the issue of outsourcing would be best served by using incentive based laws. the issue of how much air polution a company can spew should be command and control ... and it was until bush fucked it up. are you aware of the massive number of insourced jobs that simply dwarf those outsourced nope ... and i dont give a shit. high tech and manufacturing jobs are being whisked away. since engineering is this countries greatest strength we need to keep those jobs here. 6 peace. were you a miss america contestant no but i have lusted after them in my heart. does that make me a bad person - 7 government involvement in cleaner renewable energy and a plan to become completely self sufficient. the government is involved in some areas. the only way to fund alternative fuel r&d is if the public funds it. thats the only source of sufficient funds. enough public demand for alternative fuels is needed. a gentle nudge by the government is needed. a plan to become self sufficient must be presented and enforced by our government. otherwise big oil and utilities are going to crush it. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

mexico yep that;s it. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . geekboy wrote it sure is and bush has sold us out! while i dont agree with bushs tactics either sold out isnt a term thats applicable to him. that term is better applied to clinton who very much did sell this country out to the likes of nk china etc. if bush has sold this country out then who is the buyer that is thanking him .

From : miles

on jan 2 849 pm azwiley1 azwil...@cox.net wrote he is a person that uses constantly his former pow and ex-military card to suit his own personal and political gain. he loves to spout off about how he supports the military and vets then he has voted against damn near everything for them. question answered fair enough. ill check into this. if theres one thing i cant stand its a lier. if he has said one thing and done another ... ill hope for a better candidate to come along. craig c. .

From : miles

no the way it works moron is since you are making the claim you show the proof. jesus; you mouth breathers all have acute cranial rectitus! fuller rath wrote you must have brown eyes because you sure are full of shit. oh show me credible current medical evidence that substantiates edwards claims regarding his claims regarding birthing methods causing parkinsons the evidence is in contrary to his absurd claims. edwards didnt give a dang about these patients. the only thing he cared about is stuffing his pockets with cash. .

From : tbone

regards the trucking industry your tax dollars would if you paid any built the streets and highways that they operate on as well as maintain them. talk about a subsidy. roy i know you were a railroad man. i work in the trucking industry. im curious as to how much of the road fuel tax the rail industry paid to subsidize the streets and highways used by the trucking industry. i know the trucking industry doesnt pay any kind of rail-use fuel tax. i would think the arrangement would be reciprocal. ken i honestly dont know how that works regarding fuel tax. way beyond my pay grade. as a guess i would think that the fuel used in locomotives would be no tax as they arent on the streets and highways. the point i was trying to make is that the highway system is paid for with tax dollars. freight railroads build and maintain their own right of way. amtrak which is partially subsidized by tax dollars pays for track usage from various freight and commutor railroads. i dont believe amtrak actually owns all that much track. ken sorry big time brain cramp. fuel in locos is red. no tax. fuel in railroads trucks is not red so a tax is paid. roy roy .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote how can it be racism when they are not us citizens because prior to a bust at a given company the claim is made that the feds did not know they were illegal. they only knew a high number of mexicans worked there. the claim is made the bust was purely based on race. its complete horsepoop but the courts seem to go along with it. ok so go after it differently. taxes wages etc. there are other ways to get them. no one thought we would ever get al capone but we did. besides look at the courts especially the us supreme court they are all old crusty asses that need to be replaced. .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote we need global support for it to end and that is something that we do not have right now and with current actions and policies we will not get it. we never have and never will get it. too many countries are in bed for profit with terrorist organizations. they dont give a damn about anyone and will do nothi how do we truly know that we have limited the abilities of them communication and financial links between groups around the world were found to be well in operation prior to 9/11. from what ive seen now those links are far and few between. cells are operating more independently rather than pooling efforts. various minor attacks have been traced to small groups rather than any planned by a collaboration of multiple cells as they were prior to 9/11. ok but again this does not directly mean that they have been weakened by what we have done to this point. all it really means is that we have not detected anything or at least let it out that we have. i would be more inclined to be worried about numerous organized and funded cells then one large network. however though i dont have ability to prove so i would not doubt for one second that the whole network is still intact still in communication with each cell and still funding everything. just refer back to your statement on global support. nuff said. ^ .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote honestly i am not sure that is a fair question to ask as that is the past and no one can change that we can only move forward. however i do not think that running off to two different countries on what has turned into nothing but a wild goose chase was smart. i think we should have done more internally to take care of our own just as we should have done down south after katrina. i agree the current methods are a failure to an extent. however al quedas ability to form an effective global organization has been limited. so your idea is to basically do nothing with regards to terrorism just wait for another attack and arrest a few thugs as we have done for decades now miles that is not what i said and you know that! there is something that needs to happen about it but to think for one minute that we the us alone can stop it is foolish and plain stupid! we need global support for it to end and that is something that we do not have right now and with current actions and policies we will not get it. how do we truly know that we have limited the abilities of them just because they havent done anything is not an indication of limited ability how do we truly know that their lack of action movement communication etc indicates anything other then they are not doing said thinks in some respects you need to consider that their lack of these things could damn well be a sign of strenght not weakness. do we know where they are really based afghanastan iraq iran sryia lebanon egypt we dont so instead we are out chasing ghosts. what has happen since 9/11 no further attacks on us soil is a good thing. i think its a fair bet that terrorists have tried and failed to attack again. .

From : miles

it is as tight as it will go and i just replaced the filter and o-ring as i originally thought the filter was leaking. the fuel appears to be leaking directly from the drain. on mon 1 jan 2007 174836 -0500 donstaples dstaples@charter.net wrote hi guys the drain on the bottom of my fuel filter drips constantly. can this be fixed or do i need a new part if i need a new part what is it called and where can i get it thanks in advance........ if its like my 89 maybe you just need to tighten the valve up a little it seals with an o ring. .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote honestly i am not sure that is a fair question to ask as that is the past and no one can change that we can only move forward. however i do not think that running off to two different countries on what has turned into nothing but a wild goose chase was smart. i think we should have done more internally to take care of our own just as we should have done down south after katrina. i agree the current methods are a failure to an extent. however al quedas ability to form an effective global organization has been limited. so your idea is to basically do nothing with regards to terrorism just wait for another attack and arrest a few thugs as we have done for decades what has happen since 9/11 no further attacks on us soil is a good thing. i think its a fair bet that terrorists have tried and failed to attack again. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote 1 no illegal immigrants. large penalties for companies that break the rules. we agree here. 2 environmental policy based scientific evidence made by the government not corporations and lobbyists. scientists do not agree on much. environmentalist lobbiests who claim scientific evidence are even worse. 3 foriegn policy that will regain the respect we once had. selling out as clinton did with nk and china among others isnt respect or at least not the form i want. 4 balanced budget with a plan to pay the 11 trillion were going owe by the time dumbass gets out of office. id like to see a balanced budget as well but dont count on it. its all political smoke and mirrors such as clintons so call surplus. 5 a method or set of laws to keep american jobs in america. not india china ireland and eastern europe. what set of laws might that be suggestions have been made to punish companies that outsource. the result is they pack up and leave all together. whats needed is incentives to keep the jobs here. not laws against outsourcing. are you aware of the massive number of insourced jobs that simply dwarf those outsourced 6 peace. were you a miss america contestant 7 government involvement in cleaner renewable energy and a plan to become completely self sufficient. the government is involved in some areas. the only way to fund alternative fuel r&d is if the public funds it. thats the only source of sufficient funds. enough public demand for alternative fuels is needed. .

From : craig c

azwiley1 wrote in some senses afghanistan and iraq are very much alike. if either of those countries really wanted us to end all the problems within they would step up and help us achieve the goal what ever that may be. besides i am personally sick of seeing the us act as the god damned world police! we cant protect ourselves right now if we had too and we all know that most would not likely come to our aide. ok afghanistan is out. so what should of been the uss response to 9/11 honestly i am not sure that is a fair question to ask as that is the past and no one can change that we can only move forward. however i do not think that running off to two different countries on what has turned into nothing but a wild goose chase was smart. i think we should have done more internally to take care of our own just as we should have done down south after katrina. what has happen since 9/11 nothing really a few little suspected things like the lackawanna sp 6 but i dont believe it is because we are over there. i think it may be because they achieved what they wanted to prove to the world that the us can be hit and hurt. could it happen again sure. .

From : azwiley1

craig c. wrote miles apparently puts the contact points over his ears. the only person he hears is himself. craig im the one thats open to seeing things from all sides. i dont like bush either but you go beyond dislike. oh please miles. you only see things from the extreme right and defend that retard no matter what he does and if for some reason you cant it is somehow turns out to be clintons fault all you seem interested in doing is spewing your hatred. that doesnt solve a dang thing. which is exactly the way you feel and react to clinton so as they say pkb dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : azwiley1

right on miles ! edwards and the like are nothing short of latter-day carpetbaggers...lower than whaleshit. he belongs with the towel-heads. land olakes fred miles wrote fuller rath wrote you must have brown eyes because you sure are full of shit. oh show me credible current medical evidence that substantiates edwards claims regarding his claims regarding birthing methods causing parkinsons the evidence is in contrary to his absurd claims. edwards didnt give a dang about these patients. the only thing he cared about is stuffing his pockets with cash. .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote how can it be racism when they are not us citizens because prior to a bust at a given company the claim is made that the feds did not know they were illegal. they only knew a high number of mexicans worked there. the claim is made the bust was purely based on race. its complete horsepoop but the courts seem to go along with it. .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote we need global support for it to end and that is something that we do not have right now and with current actions and policies we will not get it. we never have and never will get it. too many countries are in bed for profit with terrorist organizations. they dont give a damn about anyone and will do nothi how do we truly know that we have limited the abilities of them communication and financial links between groups around the world were found to be well in operation prior to 9/11. from what ive seen now those links are far and few between. cells are operating more independently rather than pooling efforts. various minor attacks have been traced to small groups rather than any planned by a collaboration of multiple cells as they were prior to 9/11. .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote i feel that any company regardless of size that knowingly and willfully employs them should face federal charges. thats the only effective answer. get rid of the incentive for illegals to come and stay here. trouble is every time the government nails a company full of illegals the bleeding heart liberals cry racism and the whole thing collapses. to hell with them and the bleeding hearts who ever they are! if you enter this country illegally you have no rights! i think that those two assclowns from that az based illegal immigration support group that took the illegals to the hospital should be in jail! instead they got a slap on the hand and told dont do it again. horseshit. how can it be racism when they are not us citizens .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote oh yeah how about a new dodge truck for all! no. thats what the illegals want more than even house for them and their 12 kids. lol fine miles gets a yugo! .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote i feel that any company regardless of size that knowingly and willfully employs them should face federal charges. thats the only effective answer. get rid of the incentive for illegals to come and stay here. trouble is every time the government nails a company full of illegals the bleeding heart liberals cry racism and the whole thing collapses. .

From : azwiley1

oh yeah how about a new dodge truck for all! .

From : azwiley1

craig c. wrote usually i dont agree with *any* democrat on immigration. neither party will do a darn thing about immigration. both parties are sell outs and ignore voters wishes. .

From : azwiley1

on jan 2 835 pm azwiley1 azwil...@cox.net wrote me ill fucking run! what does the group want 1 no illegal immigrants. large penalties for companies that break the rules. no worries i am 100% for getting rid of as many as can be caught. only concern is that there are over 12 million of them in the country currently so it will take time. i no only support building the us/mexico wall but support building it berlin style. i feel that any company regardless of size that knowingly and willfully employs them should face federal charges. 2 environmental policy based scientific evidence made by the government not corporations and lobbyists. 3 foriegn policy that will regain the respect we once had. i think this could be done by simple not running off to every piss ant conflict just because again it would take time but it could be done. 4 balanced budget with a plan to pay the 11 trillion were going owe by the time dumbass gets out of office. how about countries like japan korea iraq and others that we have constantly given money to rebuilt their country etc. pay us back gee how much money you think it truly owed to us 5 a method or set of laws to keep american jobs in america. not india china ireland and eastern europe. let me think. 6 peace. man i am talking about presidency not a god like status! 7 government involvement in cleaner renewable energy and a plan to become completely self sufficient. i think it is brazil that is the leading knowledge base for alt fuel specifically bd. i am sure that offered the right insentives we could get help in this area. not saying we dont have the knowledge base homegrown but a little help couldnt hurt. come up with a platform that addresses these concerns and youll have my vote and that of my fellow students and co-workers. craig c. .

From : craig c

azwiley1 wrote me ill fucking run! what does the group want i will tell you this we are pulling the fuck out of iraq and afghanistan. why would we want to pull out of afghanistan let it return to taliban rule with free running al queda camps weve been way to lax there already. why simple as i see it afghanistan is not our country and we truly stand to gain nothing if we stay and fight. we can not win the war on terrorism with the way we are fighting it using the techniques and weaponry we are employing. i believe that common sense if used tells anyone that we will never put an end to all the al qaeda camps nor will we catch osama bin laden. in some senses afghanistan and iraq are very much alike. if either of those countries really wanted us to end all the problems within they would step up and help us achieve the goal what ever that may be. besides i am personally sick of seeing the us act as the god damned world police! we cant protect ourselves right now if we had too and we all know that most would not likely come to our aide. .

From : azwiley1

me ill fucking run! what does the group want i will tell you this we are pulling the fuck out of iraq and afghanistan. we are building the military back up and the military is getting a much needed and very overdue pay raise proportionate with rank the lowest getting the most! on jan 2 756 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote so if you vote for him you wont know exactly what youre getting. name one politician that i can vote for that i will know what im getting and ill shit a golden egg out of my ass. craig c. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote unlike you i dont believe everything im told by the bush administration. i like to see the evidence. it was not bush who first talked about the al queda camp in iraq. that issue came up during clintons admin. bush himself just a few weeks after 9/11 publicly stated there were no ties between 9/11 and iraq. so your argument is just a but of hatred spewing without focus. then why in 2002 and 2003 did he and his administration say that there were ties between al qaeda and iraq your need to get rid of your political biased based hatred and actually research everything said rather than just some snippets in headlines you quote. bush stated there were no ties between iraq and 9/11. your question isnt with regard to that statement. .

From : miles

on jan 2 831 pm azwiley1 azwil...@cox.net wrote oh yeah real smart. lets put a hypocritical ass like mr. im an ex-pow mccain in office. not only does he support the ass bush in the war in iraq but he has clearly stated that he supports an increase in troops over there. to boot let put another ass in office that will fuck the military over more then it has been since clintons reduction in force. okay ... well apparently you dont care for mccain much. - why do you say hes hypocritical im not familiar with mccains platform regarding the military. perhaps i will check into that a bit. the items that are important to me he has a good stand on environment budgeting immigration. admitedly most of my information on him is dated when he ran in 2000. in our brief discussion before you had indicated that an edwards-obama team was your preference i have no doubt that they will have a decent environmental policy. however immigration and budgeting are an unknown. usually i dont agree with *any* democrat on immigration. craig c. .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote to boot let put another ass in office that will fuck the military over more then it has been since clintons reduction in force. seems the military loses no matter who is in office. i really dont see anyone worth a damn stepping up to the plate. so whos in the running edwards clinton obama and mccain. doesnt look good at all. i din think anyone has officially announced that they are running. i think that kerry gingrich the idiot gov from mass and rudy have been mentioned or mentioned themselves they are thinking about it. .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote me ill fucking run! what does the group want i will tell you this we are pulling the fuck out of iraq and afghanistan. why would we want to pull out of afghanistan let it return to taliban rule with free running al queda camps weve been way to lax there already. .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote to boot let put another ass in office that will fuck the military over more then it has been since clintons reduction in force. seems the military loses no matter who is in office. i really dont see anyone worth a damn stepping up to the plate. so whos in the running edwards clinton obama and mccain. doesnt look good at all. .

From : craig c

on jan 2 756 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote so if you vote for him you wont know exactly what youre getting. name one politician that i can vote for that i will know what im getting and ill shit a golden egg out of my ass. craig c. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote hey miles the sky is brown. i have overwhelming evidence. did it work it did ... cool! lets go kick someones ass! bad analogy you got there. youre about the only one saying the sky is brown just as youre one of the few that says there wasnt an al queda camp in iraq. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote miles apparently puts the contact points over his ears. the only person he hears is himself. craig im the one thats open to seeing things from all sides. i dont like bush either but you go beyond dislike. all you seem interested in doing is spewing your hatred. that doesnt solve a dang thing. .

From : miles

i have an 89 ram 50 that runs fine eccept ive been having a problem getting the truck into gear. if i press the pedal to the floor i can get any gear thats why i think its an adjustment. ive adjusted hydrolic clutchs before but cant figure this out. your help is greatly appreciated. .

From : miles

the same size and weight except for the vw coffins of course. now every dumb-fuck up here and in the chicago area who travel here just has to have a 4-wheel drive something usually a full-size truck with huge tires less p.s.i. on the road duh. a goodly number with a plow too of course. the complete phallic package. so if by chance i should have to take on one of those phallic bastards with my town car i will be damn lucky to be saved by the safety belts and airbags. a compact car not a prayer in hell. all three of my children drive full-size ford products 18 year old girl drives a primo 95 continental; 20 year old boy drives a 93 crown vic and 31 year old boy drives a 96 crown vic. i drive a 95 town car and a 99 continental. all three children understand that driving anything smaller would be the same thing as smoking cigarettes guaranteed suicide. not an option. is it any wonder the towel-headed scum have our number we are stupid beyond any hope. so we must all idividually do whatever we can to protect ourselves and those entrusted to us. land olakes fred miles wrote septicman@peoplepc.com wrote 90% of those who had been wearing their safety belts survived and/or were non-seriously injured. got any credible source to back up your claim that only 10% of traffic deaths were wearing seat belts i agree that its dumb to drive and not wear a belt but its not the governments job to make people do so. insurance companies can enforce it by lowering claims if injuries can be shown to have been increased by the lack of seat belt use in a particuar accident. . 222 327108 cqemh.230176$ho4.3580@fe06.phx you must have brown eyes because you sure are full of shit. septicman@peoplepc.com wrote nhtsa if i am recalling correctly. i will have to look that up to be sure. john edwards just another low-life ambulance-chasing keep the highway mayhem coming personal injury lawyer who made his fortune off of those who refused to wear their safety belts and/or their survivors. he made much of his money winning lawsuits claiming drs delivery techniques caused parkinsons disease. it has since been proven his claims were false. .

From : miles

the speed sensor is the most common cause. i had knocked the brake light switch loose which caused the same fault as well as causing the cruise control to stop working. both items are relatively inexpensive from a dealer and only require a few minutes to replace. my brake and abs lights come on in my 92 ram. it was the speed sensor on the rear axle. shrinkydink105@yahoo.com wrote i have a 1999 4 wheel drive dodge durango and the abs and brake light both came on i replaced the rear abs sensor hoping this would get the lights to come out yet nothing happened. does anyone have any idea what might need to be done now the brakes work just fine but the darn lights would come out .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote we deserve the whole truth. we deserve better than bush has given or is capable of giving. its my hope that mccain gets the office in 2008. it shouldve been him instead of bush anyway. better platform better service record better with finances better man. he was only lacking one thing tens of millions of dollars to blow on campaigning. millions doesnt always work. it didnt work for perot nor kerry who are both far richer than bush. i preferred mccain too but hes reversed course on too many of his strongest beliefs he touted over the years. so if you vote for him you wont know exactly what youre getting. .

From : craig c

ive checked under the hood and all around the engine compartment for any signs and there seems to be nothing. i went to a dealership today to ask questions and they said it sounds more like the body module than anything else but that with electrical problems that are hard to trace its like dumping money into a bottomless pit which i cant afford since were getting married and moving in july lots of money between now and then that we even cant afford. lol @ the chevette. we found out today that he has 2 horrible oil leaks both of which require the engine to be taken out in order to repair them. that and he has an exhaust leak somewhere but they arent sure if its the gasket the manifold or what unless they take everything apart and check it out. theyre asking around $600 to fix the leaks and the exhaust. does that sound like a fair price for the work theyll have to do .

From : miles

on jan 2 735 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote bad analogy you got there. youre about the only one saying the sky is brown just as youre one of the few that says there wasnt an al queda camp in iraq. i didnt say there wasnt a camp. i said that there was no overwhelming evidence of a tie between iraq and al qaeda. if indeed there was a camp which i seriously doubt until i see some evidence it does not mean that there was a tie. a tie as the bush administration indicated means a collaberation or organized partnership. here are the quotes indicating this supposed relationship 2002 rice sept. 25 there clearly are contacts between al-qaeda and iraq that can be documented; there clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that theres a relationship here. ... and there are some al-qaeda personnel who found refuge in baghdad. bush oct. 7 we know that iraq and the al-qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy - the united states of america. we know that iraq and al-qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade and weve learned that iraq has trained al-qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. 2003 bush feb. 6 senior members of iraqi intelligence and al-qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al-qaeda and iraq has also provided al-qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. no such tie or relationship or evidence thereof ever existed. you were lied to. as an american you deserve better than that. craig c. .

From : miles

first thanks to all of those who replied. theres a special washer that goes between the bolt and the pulley. this washer was bent in so that it was touching on the outer race of the bearing causing a squealling noise. i could tell it was touching by the witness marks left on the back of the washer. i put the bolt through the washer and positioned it on a vise so that it would bend the washer where the witness marks were when i hit the bolt head with a hammer. there was still a small squeal that went away when i sprayed silicone spray on the back of the belt and i saw the surfaces on the idler and water pump pulleys clean up to bright and shiney both driven by the back of the belt. i then sprayed chlorinated brake cleaner on the belt and pulleys to clean the silicone off. after letting it set so the brake cleaner could evaporate i replaced the belt with a new gatorback. best wishes to all ken .

From : miles

on jan 2 717 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote youre one of the few that seems to dispute the existence of an al queda camp in iraq. youre in the minority even among the more prominent democrat politicians. your hatred of bush and political bias makes it impossible for you to accept anything that goes against said views. i dont like bush either but there was an al queda camp in iraq. thats all right wingers know how how to do ... say that theres evidence not actually supply any. lets see if it works for me hey miles the sky is brown. i have overwhelming evidence. did it work it did ... cool! lets go kick someones ass! craig c. .

From : miles

on jan 2 548 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote the existence of an al queda camp in n. iraq has not been in dispute. then you shouldnt have any problem showing me the evidence. your word/opinion/what-you-read-one-time-on-an-ultra-right-wing-website != evidence. simple. bush administration said there was overwhelming evidence of a tie between iraq and al qaeda. thats a fucking lie and you know it. if not ... by all means overwhelm me. it would seem that you might have use for the c clamp one full turn should do it.bfg roy craig c. .

From : roy

on mon 1 jan 2007 071138 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote i thought i was in your killfile . . . nope you claimed to have killfiled me and ended the friendship. i said neither thing nor would i; i can ignore people the old fashioned way will power and maturity. i dont remember it that way but i wont argue about it. aw mike ya know facts and truth arent important to the liberals. depends on what liberal is doing the talking. not really. the liberal agenda is a religion humanism and some follow it more closely . . . more devotedly if you prefer than others but its the same set of lies. i cannot begin to tell you how wrong you are because its clear that you dont appear to have a concept of the wide range of political opinions out there. oh i know the placebo of the masses the political left fosters off on the unsuspecting and unguarded in the disguise of tolerance and such. i also know the laziness of the human mind that prevents one thinking for themself or reading studying learning for oneself. liberalism has squirmed into society biting at every little thing that stands for honesty truth justice and freedom. it has corrupted our thoughts political views to where if you can justify darn near any action then its to be accepted. so i reject those poisons to society i reject tolerance of that which is evil in the sight of god. i choose to follow a higher standard than mans and for it i am considered to be in the wrong. good grief. i actually think that he is serious! what a pity. a mind is such a terrible thing to waste. thats normal. they feed on rumor lies and unproven theories. it certainly wont matter that most if not all the information that g.w. had to work with was from clintons administration. actually its been widely known for some time now that bush ignored the clinton administration advisors on this issue. advisors yes but the evidence scott evidence is what i speak of. bush ignored the evidence until september 11th 2001. why didnt clinton act upon that evidence why did he continue top weaken our armed forces it doesnt matter that the reason were short of military staff is because of the base closings and personel reductions by the liberal congress. except the liberal congress was gone in 1992 and the new version of that congress hasnt convened yet. which administration ordered all the closings some slated for after the administration change ok which will it be administration or congress next you should be aware that base closings have nothing to do with the size of our military in terms of troop strength. really where you gonna stack up all those soldiers and sailors for storage for training what about their equipment ships come on scott youre being dumber than t-bone about this. furthermore the base closings were recommended by the armed services committee and the base closing study/committee dont recall the specific name for it at this time. this committee has been active since the 1980s. lastly if you read up on the orders from bush to close bases in pa youll realize that a republican president ordered the closings based on a recommendation from a republican filled committee and a democratic governor rendell looked seriously at filing suit to keep those bases open due to the jobs that would be lost. and after all of that it still has nothing to do with the iraq issue. what party was in charge of the congress during that time period how many of those congressmen were on that committee and or had influence on it come on scott youre slipping. it dont matter that they lied to the us citizenry to get the majoritry in the congress back. wait how can a liberal congress get the majority back duh!!! they lied to get their seats back so as to regain the majority of power. if they were the majority how would they need to get the majority back sorry budd you are making no sense here. i am but youre not reading it right congress has democrat leadership congress loses democrat leadership democrats lie cheat steal etc. to get leadership back. its the liberal way scott. republicans have controlled both houses since 1992 until 2006. thus all the decisions you blame on a liberal congress were made by republicans. ill freely say that i believe the reps and dems are becoming the opposite of what they were over the past half century but what you are claiming isnt based on my theory. i dont give a darn about your theory. id still need a couple bucks with you theory to by a cup of coffee. ok so you dont see what im saying fine. dont accuse me of being close minded again. get back to me when you have a clearer idea who was in charge over the past 15 years. pompous are we now shove it. all that matter to liberals is how they can ruin a good country and profit from the destruction by getting the government to take care of them from wo

From : craig c

craig c. wrote on jan 2 548 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote the existence of an al queda camp in n. iraq has not been in dispute. then you shouldnt have any problem showing me the evidence. your word/opinion/what-you-read-one-time-on-an-ultra-right-wing-website != evidence. look up jamaah al islamiya. now what evidence are you looking for a website you already stated you wont accept it because any website thats not a liberal biased one youd discount anyways. anyone can produce a website to say anything you want it to say. you seem to dispute what even the liberal left does not. .

From : miles

on jan 2 548 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote the existence of an al queda camp in n. iraq has not been in dispute. then you shouldnt have any problem showing me the evidence. your word/opinion/what-you-read-one-time-on-an-ultra-right-wing-website != evidence. simple. bush administration said there was overwhelming evidence of a tie between iraq and al qaeda. thats a fucking lie and you know it. if not ... by all means overwhelm me. craig c. .

From : roy

craig c. wrote again where is the evidence of this tie the bush administration insisted that the evidence existed ... and it doesnt. at least not that i have been able to find. the existence of an al queda camp in n. iraq has not been in dispute. .

From : stephen harding

snipped a ton of bs as for my trough it goes further to show that you think little of your fellow man that you deride someone for the meager assistance he does accept and you talked about guilt trips.pkb cant handle what you dish out hmmm i have always been able to handle your bs. no i take exception to those that partake of social programs then deride those that support and help fund those programs. that would be you. while we are at it i dont consider you as my fellow man. i dont consider you a man at all. oh i knew that you dont. such hatred . . . dont flatter yourself i have no hatred towards you just disdain. as for the programs how many liberals want those programs for themselves for their own retirements how many staunch liberal democrats are nothing more than welfare moms or drug users or drunks that you care not that others in the nation have negotiated themselves on to that dole because they were greedy that the american railroad industry went on the federal dole because you and you union buddies wanted too much and wouldnt help save your own jobs from the trucking industry. you are a idiot! i take it you are talking about amtrak. who i no longer work for. anyway there is no passenger railroad in the world that is not subsidized none nada. funny how at one time no us railroad was subsidized. . . the frieght rairoads owned by your republican idols cast off the money looseing passenger side of it. the government formed amtrak which has had a pretty much republican board of directors . one who comes to mind is that friend of the working man haley barbor. regards the trucking industry your tax dollars would if you paid any built the streets and highways that they operate on as well as maintain them. talk about a subsidy. yeah but i have a hard time driving on tracks someone keeps leaving those big hunks of metal in the way. heres another fact for ya. railroad retierment that rail workers pay into at about twice the rate of ss and are still paying for the billions of dollars the dod took to support the war effort during ww2 and never put back. you bitch about union rail workers who make good money but somehow forget that we pay a shit load in federal taxs to help pay for those liberal sponsored programs that you participate in. i complain about greed and intolerance both you have a full load of. i have no patience for those who continue to take and contribute nothing. is it wise to brag about how strong the rope is when its around your own neck i figure your about ready to go for the rope. naw i dont want to hang ya. itd be a waste of a good rope. how about you get some new lines you are starting to sprinkle this thread with your usual bigotry christian relgion liberal crap. cant you participate without useing them nope. and you cant speak to me in a civil manner because i cant set aside my beliefs. i have been speaking to you in a civil manner you have a difficult time with the truth.. how about we end it here and you can go back to t bone. the last is yours. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote stephen harding wrote however there was minor collusion between hussein and al qaida. thats evidence that i would like to see. there have been numerous reports of al qaida people going to iraq and iraq leaders going outside the country to meet with them. however only a likely medical treatment for al zarqawi appears to be fairly certain although it is not known if the iraqi government knew about it. all very uncertain stuff and not sufficient imo to justify an invasion. hussein gave one of al qaidas operatives asylum in iraq for a period of time for a medical operation i think. i forget the guys name. hrm even if true is a medical procedure enough of a tie to justify an invasion that is stretching the limits a bit wouldnt you say indeed. he also was happy to support the al qaida group up in northern iraq which largely was content to blow up kurds. again where is the evidence of this tie the bush administration insisted that the evidence existed ... and it doesnt. at least not that i have been able to find. the group was jamaah al islamiya and they started out as a kurdish separatist group back in the mid/late 60s. got aligned with al qaida but since they were focused on blowing up kurds of the wrong persuasion saddam more or less left them alone to do their work which nicely coincided with saddams own interests in that part of iraq. saddam and osama bin laden apparently met each other at some point but didnt much care for one another. saddam would no doubt have been seen as too secular and unislamic as far as obl was concerned. although the linkage is minor its still a link but i wouldnt consider it strong or serious enough for invasion. every intelligence agency in the world thought he had wmds not just the us no excuse. as the leaders of the free world we had an obligation to verify the data. we didnt thanks to a trigger happy president. i think the wmd concerns were solid enough at the time for bush to think invasion was necessary. saddam was about to break sanctions remember pressure was on by liberal/pacifists throughout the world to end sanctions because they were only killing iraqi babies and in fact we now know even the un itself was looking the other way at sanction busting activities of the iraqi government. its ironic that the invasion absolutely confirmed that saddam had no wmds or whisked them away in accord to some conspiracy theory. one could certainly not confirm this was so based on how he was acting towards un weapons inspectors! i thought the invasion was marginally justified on the wmd issue and the fact that we had reached a point we had to either do something about saddam or let him up from sanctions and no-fly zones and such. just wish we had done more competent planning on winning the peace after the war part of the invasion was over. weve been outright incompetent in our occupation. we might have had a mideast transforming event in an iraq w/o hussein and somewhat democratic. what were planners ever thinking surely they must have realized that iraq and syria were not going to cooperate in producing a democratic iraq! what a shame we missed such an opportunity. but to say bush *lied* to the american people over this is simply not in evidence. to state this as a fact is itself a lie. what i said was your president misled the world. i believe we can agree on that much. correct no. misled implies a deliberate attempt to present a false case. the fact that one was presented simply means mistakes were made in intel gathering and analysis. that happens. i also said the next logical question is did he do it intentionally this is not as black and white. i find it hard to believe however that with all of the intelligence agencies and tools at our disposal that the bush administration didnt know that they were over-stating the tie between iraq and al qaeda. i believe they knew they were over-stating and held that line until it was no longer believable by the public. until i see evidence to the contrary its an example of our leader intentionally telling an untruth ... or as its called by the lay-person a lie. during wwii the preponderance of the military intellegence community believed hitler was done for in december of 1944. military leaders had become somewhat complacent that the third reich was going to go out in a whimper in a mere few more months. victory by christmas wasnt out of the question in october and november. then all hell broke out on dec 16 with the start of the ardennes offensive the battle of the bulge. there *were* some intel types who said the germans were organizing a winter offensive but those voices werent heard. the intel community was simply wrong. eisenhower did not deliberately tilt the intelligence in a too favorable direction. there were no *lies* involved. just mistakes.

From : craig c

snipped a ton of bs as for my trough it goes further to show that you think little of your fellow man that you deride someone for the meager assistance he does accept and you talked about guilt trips.pkb cant handle what you dish out hmmm no i take exception to those that partake of social programs then deride those that support and help fund those programs. that would be you. while we are at it i dont consider you as my fellow man. i dont consider you a man at all. oh i knew that you dont. such hatred . . . as for the programs how many liberals want those programs for themselves for their own retirements how many staunch liberal democrats are nothing more than welfare moms or drug users or drunks that you care not that others in the nation have negotiated themselves on to that dole because they were greedy that the american railroad industry went on the federal dole because you and you union buddies wanted too much and wouldnt help save your own jobs from the trucking industry. you are a idiot! i take it you are talking about amtrak. who i no longer work for. anyway there is no passenger railroad in the world that is not subsidized none nada. funny how at one time no us railroad was subsidized. . . regards the trucking industry your tax dollars would if you paid any built the streets and highways that they operate on as well as maintain them. talk about a subsidy. yeah but i have a hard time driving on tracks someone keeps leaving those big hunks of metal in the way. heres another fact for ya. railroad retierment that rail workers pay into at about twice the rate of ss and are still paying for the billions of dollars the dod took to support the war effort during ww2 and never put back. you bitch about union rail workers who make good money but somehow forget that we pay a shit load in federal taxs to help pay for those liberal sponsored programs that you participate in. i complain about greed and intolerance both you have a full load of. is it wise to brag about how strong the rope is when its around your own neck i figure your about ready to go for the rope. naw i dont want to hang ya. itd be a waste of a good rope. how about you get some new lines you are starting to sprinkle this thread with your usual bigotry christian relgion liberal crap. cant you participate without useing them nope. and you cant speak to me in a civil manner because i cant set aside my beliefs. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : craig c

roy wrote snipped a ton of budds bs hey roy ... could you give that c-clamp about a 1/2 a turn this time - craig c. .

From : Annonymous

i have a 1999 4 wheel drive dodge durango and the abs and brake light both came on i replaced the rear abs sensor hoping this would get the lights to come out yet nothing happened. does anyone have any idea what might need to be done now the brakes work just fine but the darn lights would come out .

From : stephen harding

i thought i was in your kill-file!! lol you and roy live under a dillusion that im on psychotropic medications . . .fine i threw that thought away a long time ago. i figure you are a dry drunk who has finally become aware that you have fucked up your entire life and are now lashing out at everybody. from bad to worse then not really. at least when i thought your meds were sdrewed up it would point to you at least trying to get some help. but having rethought the situation i feel my assesment is pretty much on the money. im pretty sure you know it is as well. well roy i consider your opinion to be worth less than you think of mine. and no i am not honored to be out of your killfile. life was better when you didnt speak at all to me. in your opinion of course. an opinion based on close to a lifetime dealing with them. one in particular. bet you looked at it with your biased liberalvision glasses on. did you get them in you box of weepies the breakfast cereal of liberals live your little lies to yourselves. dream on fool. no that would be you two . . . . no you see myself and most around here seem pretty happy with our situations. sure we all have ups and downs and sadness in our lives but we deal with it and move on. you on the other hand present yourself as a angry miserable victimized old man. i suppose if youve managed to convince yourself that everything is sombody elses fault or at least have some person or political group to blame you can live as you do. rotflmbo!!!! no roy i do not blame others for that stuff but you and tom like to lay guilt trips. must make you feel better about yourselves but then you both need to boost your egos regularly. i call the idiocy of the liberal agenda as i see it; big brother running everything supporting no one taxing everything and giving nothing. the one thing that do i find bizzare is your constant rant about liberals. talk about biteing the hand that literally feeds you. the libs are the only ones fighting for the social programs that avail yourself to. left to your conservative idols youd be screwed. really roy did you see in the where dc is signing contracts with the chinese for a small auto because liberal run american unions have made building cars here too expensive you support unions which have been cutting your throat and the the throats of american industry and not only do you not even even realize it you advocate it. heres some prophecies for you two concerning the liberal led congress more gay marriages allowed. more sex and violence on tv more hatred towards fundamental christians and jews more restrictions on what is allowed to be displayed at christmas and easter more crime more terrrorism yeah things are gonna get only worse. and liberals will the the cause. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

thats a sanitized way to put it. wonder how that sounds to the families of the dead. sounds like they died in the service of our country and did as they promised they would when they signed up. any practical thinking person not cindy sheehan would realize that signing up to serve in the armed servcies is a promise to do whatever the civilian command requires. no one said you have to like policy. but when you sign on the bottom line you pledge to act as the enforcement arm of that policy be it right or wrong. maybe you should seek answers rather than places to lay blame. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author miles wrote bill dunkinfield wrote over 50000 civilian deaths in the iraq war and occupation. the lives of early 3000 of our own military personal. saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. for directly ordering the deaths of those people along with 10s of 1000s of others. they were not just casualties of misguided operations. he ordered their elimination. casualties of misguided operations thats a sanitized way to put it. wonder how that sounds to the families of the dead. jam .

From : tbone

craig c. wrote 1 iraq has and is developing weapons of mass destruction. -proved a lie please state the exact date that bush said this exact quote. furthermore the democrats had been saying the exact same thing and you liberal scum never had a problem with anything they said. 2 iraq is aiding and and giving safe haven to al quada. -proved a lie bull. again please state the exact date bush made this statement. in reality bush made the public statement that there was no direct connection. liberals have no interest in what was actually said. they make up their own quotes to suit their political bias and hatred. .