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From : azwiley1

Q: stormin mormon cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com wrote was the cat ok heh... yeah i was driving a probe. for the rest of you cat was typo of car -- yeh im a krusty old geezer putting up with my smartass is the price you pay..deal with it! .

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From : max dodge

male goats. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels dale yonz wrote after his hanging i wonder if he is with a 100 virgins yea male bob .

From : max dodge

my maintenance required light will not go off. every thing is ok wiht my truck. its a 1988 dodge d250 3/4 ton fuel injected 318. please if you know any way of resetting it let me know! .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote the only problem ken is that i wasnt harboring any grudges against anyone in this group and still dont but many chose to take offense that i made a decision to try to live closer to my god and what he wants me to be. i and most others here dont care how you want to live your life. but you take offense at their ways the same way you accuse them of. thats why religion shouldnt be discussed in ngs!! everyone has their own views. live them and let others live theirs the way they choose without ridicule. .

From : budd cochran

only the left denies the truth. the truth and i suppose you have insight into the real truth enlighten us. the truth is the truth; its supported fact not theory or conjecture and it is not opinions given as aka as truth. verbal masturbation at its best one mans fact is another mans fantasy. if you have irrefutable proof of anything germain to this thread post it instead of using up bandwidth talkingt gibberish. as long as you believe that you will never know what truth really is and you will fall for every lie. i see youre speaking to me again . . .my loss im sure. budd never stopped. yep it would be my loss considering what youve said to me not long ago so i will not waste time with you. good ole budd loves to dish it out but cant take it. it is you that cant handle truth and will accept a lie in its place. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : budd cochran

ok you are the one that says im plating the victim but you dont even realize that by telling me in public forum that you want me to stop being the christian no ive told you i am sick and tired of reading about your beliefs in every thread your involved in. so kilfile me again. i will answer as i feel i should though not every answer has any religious content or have you bothered to notice be whatever the hell you want. actually i told you i thought your behavior was that of a dry drunk and i see you as a person that is just as my pastor was speaking about this morning one that says something along the lines of i liked you better before you got religious. the bible says that that if you feel that way then so be it. i should be as i understand the scriptures which includes correcting misquotes who are you the new net nanny to correct anybody who are you to tell me i this the moderator god calls believers to ensure the bible is not taught wrongly that includes correcting misquotes and misinterpretations. suggesting scriptiures as advice to someone what if that advice is not asked for i dont believe it has been. then you didnt read a whole thread or something i dont know. living my faith as i understand i should and by defending what i believe in you are denying me my rights as guaranteed by the first amendment. if that is what you really believe do this. file suit!!!!! go to civil court and file suit! unlike how someone else might be im not suit happy. besides god promises to take vengance if he sees fit. you wont because to do so you would have to show proof. in that attempt you would have to show your posts on this forum. you wont show them to your wife your pastor or anybody. for one simple reason. theyd probably have ya locked up for your own protection. whatever. this has been confirmed by discussions with my pastor your making a fool out of your pastor as well of yourself. whatever. the american center for law and justice and protected by the constitution. one other observation. ever notice how your posts become more irrational and bizarre as it gets later in the day maybe its because im trying to follow your even more bizzarre responses because you refuse to listen to what i say and hear / read only what you want to. its a condition called sundowners you pal i think have it. nope my doctor disagrees with you. your right out of your head. again the last is yours. no roy its what christians call n.o.t.w. we are called to separate ourselves from the worldly things the lusts the sins the evil and be holy unto god and not of this world. no roy the last word will be yours before god on judgement day. i pray it wont be oh crap. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : Annonymous

bullshit. more ass gassings from a big fat lard-assed loser reich winger snoman wrote edwards is not a bad guy but he does not have a snowballs chance in h of winning a general election as president. he is a bad guy. he bankrupt many people with bogus medical claims that have never been substantiated and held up by the medical industry all to line his pockets with. .

From : chris thompson

ok you are the one that says im plating the victim but you dont even realize that by telling me in public forum that you want me to stop being the christian i should be as i understand the scriptures which includes correcting misquotes suggesting scriptiures as advice to someone living my faith as i understand i should and by defending what i believe in you are denying me my rights as guaranteed by the first amendment. this has been confirmed by discussions with my pastor the american center for law and justice and protected by the constitution. budd roy has never denied you your right to worship or speak as you wish as granted by the first amendment. this is a unmoderated group. that means he is not the moderator and has no power to stop your posts. any one can walk up to you in the street and say thats enough already just has he has here. and it would not be denying you your right to free speach and freedom to worship. ive got one further simple question budd. what fruit has come of this arguement and that is intended as a retorical question. as i stated i wish not to argue about it but instead to simply make a friendly observation. now roy just for the record i didnt not intend to start such a long argument errr continue one. i hope nothing i have done has offended you as that was not my intent. not in the least chris. i dont take this stuff personally or seriously. roy ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : roy

hook up a mech. oil psi gauge and see if it drops or not. sending units tend to go bad after a while. thinman wrote my 98 quadcab recently starting losing oil pressure for about 2-3 seconds enough time for the gage cluster to ding twice. after dinging the gage goes from 0 back up to 40 lbs. it only does it at a stop at idle and not all the time. 81000 miles. could it be the pump or sending unit going bad and how do i tell wont do it on highway or when moving. has required amount of oil in it and was changed 2 months ago. .

From : roy

i need to change the brake pads on my 2000 dakota pu. ive got the wheel off but cant figure out how to remove the calipers in order to get the pads off. do you need any special tools do you need to unbolt the stainless steel pins on the inside of the caliper body and if so which way are they threaded ive done this on older vehicles in the past but they used to simply pop off without major disassembly. amd i missing something here thanks in advance for any help you can provide to an amatuer mechanic! .

From : budd cochran

since you disagree http//www.fox.com/story/0293324211700.html enjoy! budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tom lawrence

big snip how many times have you used my name in a derogatory fashion roy how many four letter names have you called me you have no right to throw that first stone. the question should be was i wrong to call you a name after you accuse me of beig bigoted and other bs im sorry but i dont see how telling you that you are what you accuse others of being warrants such a reaction. calling a pig a pig is not name calling. calling a pig insert preferred profanity is. oh so only profanity is name calling no but for you it is the norm. so we use different terminolgy a name is a name. well how about if ya just gotta call me a four-letter name use budd do i have to use caps too thats up to you. another big snip you truly dont want any help do you nope no need. i have the bible i have several bible study sites many have been listed here and a fine pastor that teaches the word as it is written. this i missed. so you feel that your behavior is the norm this is one of those have you stopped beating your wife questions. if i say yes then to you it confirms im unstable if i say no then its an admission of instability. i didnt intentionly post it that way. im glad to read that you didnt intend it to be that way. the fact i caught your trick means im not unstable. okay in the line above a statement. all well and good i follow god not man. why or what bearing does the above line have read it again. i follow gods laws and directions and not what others want or demand when it comes to how my life is run. the question had to do with whether or not you thought your behaviour was normal. and it is still a loaded question. it matters not to me at all if you think i am unstable. it does matter to me that i obey gods laws. and another big snip obviously it still hasnt hit you that you could be wrong. and either the bible is true or it is a pack of lies. from your catholic training you know that most of the disciples were martyred for their faith . . . would you lay your head on the block for jesus i would. one reason roy that i believe as i do is that christians are called to be different from the world to follow one that healed the sick raised the dead walked on water and created the universe. budd nobody is disputing your beliefs.nobody cares. the deal is that you turn every thread your in ito biblle thumping. the problem is that it shouldnt matter. if that is how i handle the problems of life an sugeest the same solutons for my friends and aquintances they should be gracious and realize the intent is pure just like any other advcice. however you have gone beyond way beyond saying thanks but no thanks.. we have been over this againannd again. months ago when you started this crap. the one question that comes to mind is why all of a sudden do you feel the need to i believe you said that 1977 you found gosd. you posted here for a long time before you went to this. why did you change what does it matter try and answer the question. why did i change because i wanted to. because i needed to. if you were to do the same why should anyone fault you for trying to improve your life spiritually nobody is finding fault with anybody improving their life in any way. then what the ruckus about this is who i am and the way i will reamain. have you never ever in your life ever had someone turn to god and give their whole being over to serving god so you dont want to that is your choice. i choose to. do it quickly will yag is thirty years ago quick enough the problem today lies in that ive decided to turn my whole life over to god and you dont like it. budd i dont care. hopefully you turn what brain you have to science so they can figure out what went south. see i choose to follow my god nad you you consider it to be a mental problem. follow whoever you want! god the trashman the guy next door. i consider your behaviour to be a mental problem especially since this change has been so recent. youre bigoted roy plain and simple against anyone that seeks something better for themselves and god forbid they do so publicly. really that is a bs statement and you know it. granted im sick and tired of reading about your beliefs as far as it bettering you i see no indication of it. it has. how about that you are a bigot when it come to your beliefs. no argument. i am. and to follow god and the comandment for for believers to teach and preach i have to be. fundamental christians are different are bigoted. and anyone that has taken christ as savior is different and should be bigoted in the same manner there are the saved and there are the lost.. pay attention now. note these 2 threads that you have posted in have become about what let me help ya here. your relgious beliefs!!!!!!!!!!! this thread only alluded to religion until you began your thing. y

From : budd cochran

on sat 6 jan 2007 124734 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote big snip how many times have you used my name in a derogatory fashion roy how many four letter names have you called me you have no right to throw that first stone. the question should be was i wrong to call you a name after you accuse me of beig bigoted and other bs im sorry but i dont see how telling you that you are what you accuse others of being warrants such a reaction. calling a pig a pig is not name calling. calling a pig insert preferred profanity is. oh so only profanity is name calling no but for you it is the norm. so we use different terminolgy a name is a name. well how about if ya just gotta call me a four-letter name use budd another big snip you truly dont want any help do you nope no need. i have the bible i have several bible study sites many have been listed here and a fine pastor that teaches the word as it is written. this i missed. so you feel that your behavior is the norm this is one of those have you stopped beating your wife questions. if i say yes then to you it confirms im unstable if i say no then its an admission of instability. well if the shoe fits budd............well you know. does it fit your opinion on it and $1.25 would be needed to get a cup of coffee at the moab diner. its $1.25 without your opinion. the fact i caught your trick means im not unstable. is that a line out of a monte python movie dont know never watched them. now do you intend to continue your dorky little stabs that only make you the fool budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : Annonymous

on sat 6 jan 2007 144438 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on fri 5 jan 2007 211041 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote on fri 5 jan 2007 121224 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote oh gee whiz golly wow . . .i didnt see the invisible ot-budd not allowed to respond statement in this thread. oh i committed a horrible sin of posting a reply to a post by the great roy in an unmoderated group!!!! not at all but you know where this will lead. where will you take it roy probably to the point where you fly into another meltdown. im not at all afraid to accept responsability for my actions. i figure it is about time for you to start the victim bs i am a victim of your secular rants and bigotries. budd honestly you are the victim of mental illness. nothing more and nothing less. still waiting for you to prove you have a license to practice medicine or psychiatry until then you dont amount to squat. budd well...............oh hell forget it. cmon that was tooooo easy! hell im a proctologist when i deal with him.g. but..........budd is the ultimate masochist. he only came back to live out his dreams of being a christian martyr in the liberal christian bashing world. you only do him favor by saying anything. i think he has christian wet dreams at night while reading the responses to his comments. budd is not a well person. his bulb shines a little dimly. you know what i mean gotcha! .

From : roy

how about a govenment grant hmmm. i thought conservatives were all against government handouts. yet here you are suggesting the government give you one. interesting. george conservative too fat to run too scared to fight im no runner but im more than happy to stand and fight. ken then you cant be a conservative .

From : budd cochran

anyone have problems with the front end of the 2000 ram 1500 squeaking only 25k on the truck but ive had to replace the ball joints already. thanks. is it squeak or kinda knocking sound when you hit bumps .

From : bill dunkinfield

bill dunkinfield wrote over 50000 civilian deaths in the iraq war and occupation. the lives of early 3000 of our own military personal. saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. for directly ordering the deaths of those people along with 10s of 1000s of others. they were not just casualties of misguided operations. he ordered their elimination. .

From : miles

dale yonz wrote didnt he also got his brother in law or some other kind of family member executed yes. saddam ordered the deaths of his two brothers in law. his sisters fled to jordan to seek asylum from their own brother. saddam would kill anyone even his own family. .

From : miles

here it is 2007! well where i am anyway... hope all of you have or had a happy safe new years eve. and may all the hangovers be light jmc carrot juice doesnt produce hangovers..... have a safe one everybody.. denny .

From : miles

tbone wrote yes it does and if your phone supports it hands free dialing as well. depending on your system if your phone rings the stereo will mute and you will hear it thru the stereo sound system as well and then all you need to do is press the blue tooth button wherever it is and the phone will answer and you will be able to speak and hear the caller hands free thru your vehicle sound system. if the phone you buy supports voice commands and most blue tooth phones do all you will need to do is press that same activation button and the phone will ask you for a command thru the vehicles sound system. you can then tell it who to call on your phone list and it will do it hands free or you can check your battery or signal strength and the phone will tell you what they are. like i said its pretty cool. with dodges u-connect system the phone does not need to support voice commands in order to dial using voice commands. the u-connect system has its own support for that. while my phone does have voice command support i have never set it up. i use the u-connects voice prompts and all works great. the phone list is stored in the u-connect rather than using the list in my phone. .

From : tom lawrence

honeybs@radix.net beekeep wrote ok i give up what does peventate mean beekeep snojob makes things up as he goes. .

From : tbone

budd cochran wrote and that is what christians called by god to do. wouldnt you want to be warned you had a piano falling on your head then why not be warned about hell im somewhat sympathetic towards the person speaking morally on issues of today from a religious perspective. there can be no stable values of morality without a set of guidlines with a proven track record. it seems many talk favorably of free speech rights but as soon as someone speaks out on an issue from a religious perspective theyre proselytizing or forcing their beliefs down ones throat. suddenly tolerance and diversity of opinion isnt such a great thing after all. you noticed that also to some the mere mention of a personal / moral choice in beliefs is cause to accuse that person of proselytizing etc.whether it actually occurs is irrelevant to the accuser. however...how long are you going to keep warning someone of the piano about to drop on their head say the piano fell from so high that several minutes would pass before impact. how long do you need to keep warning until they move their lazy butt ; actually id probably do something to knock them out of the way. spiritually speaking thats what christ did on the cross. seems to me you just write them off at some point. youve met your moral obligation. time to move on. god gave humans free will right let them make use of it even at their peril. some christians would agree and let it go at a single warning or two or worse not be bothered to risk offending the target and give the warning at all but look at the evangelists like billy graham for example that have been giving the warnings for so many years. as the bible puts it the harvest is ripe but the workmen are few. i cant say my interpretation of god is as old testament as yours but i think youd score more points by just stating your position and move on. one doesnt score extra points by repeated bludgeonings of people with ones beliefs beyond a certain point. ya know youd think that those bludgeoning me would reach that conclusion also. . . . . . its ultimately up to the individual to save themselves not you. i agree stephen it is in their hands but that doesnt relieve me of my responsibility to be the christian i believe i am called by god to be does it have a great day. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : budd cochran

dirk was on the west coast when he got the call. an old friend at the toronto police department thought he would like to fly up and take a look at a homicide which had occurred the previous evening. he decided to skip the last day at the world holistics conference and take the next plane out of san francisco. the flight was bad; dirk had been hit on the back of the head by the paper trolley the drinks trolley the dinner trolley and now the gift trolley. when the hostesses werent trying to tear his arm off they pestered him to stop leaning into the aisle - ignoring the fact that the guy next to him was taking up one and a half seats. air canada used to be the flight which was so good you just didnt wanna get off - on this occasion dirk would be glad to see the back of the plane and the over sized alternative comedian wedged into the window seat. after breathing in a couple of lungfulls of crisp canadian air dirk took a taxi into town. there was a small group of demonstrators outside the macdonalds and the taxi driver insisted on stopping on the opposite side of the street. dont eat meat the placards read and the demonstrators chanted. a couple of policemen where stopping the crowd entering the restaurant itself - one held up his arm and challenged dirk. a wave of the fax he had been sent and the policeman pushed open the door. there were few customers in the restaurant. not surprising really with a demonstration going on outside half the dining area roped off with tape and a dead body seated at one of the tables. mr gently sir the officer in charge called out as he peeled one end of the tape off a column we were told not to touch anything til you got here. the body of the man slumped awkwardly in a chair. then even a dead body would start getting uncomfortable in a macdonalds chair after twenty minutes - and this one had been there for at least eighteen hours. two back legs and the tail of a cat hung out of the mans gaping mouth. dirk turned to the officer i suppose you are going to tell me this is the darndest thing you ever saw aint this the darnd.... the officer seemed annoyed that dirk had second guessed him. were removing the body in a few minutes so if you can get through as quick as possible many people eat cats in fast food restaurants dirk asked and without waiting for an answer leant over the table to pick up an untouched burger. and whats this he asked waving it in front of the officers face. its a vedgie burger the waitress who was cleaning one of the adjacent tables shouted across. she walked over to dirk. we started doing them because of that lot out there she nodded towards the protesters who were pressing there faces against the windows theyre called linda mccartney vedgie burgers - ever heard of them dirk suddenly felt faint perhaps a combination of hunger and jet lag. this is deja vu all over again he thought to himself. he glanced at policemen - at the badge on his shoulder opd but this wasnt ontario this was toronto. opd - officially pronounced dead. it dawned on dirk what was happening he knew what he would see if he looked out of the window. sure enough there it was the volkswagen beetle parked across the road - number plate 28if - 28 if paul mccartney had lived. and amongst the lyrics of the song blaring out into the restaurant he could pick out the words i buried paul. now it was though dirk was viewing the whole scene though a tv screen. this was conspiracy. not -a- conspiracy or -the- conspiracy but just plain conspiracy. you look faint - are you ok mister the waitress asked. dirk shook his head probably a bit hungry then to economise on dialogue took out a pack of cigarettes and held it out towards the girl. she was about to take one but dirk snatched the pack away held it up to his mouth and drew out two cigarettes. he lit both then passed one of them to the girl. it was the closest he had come to a sexual encounter in three months. want a burger the waitress asked. dirk looked down at the vedgie burger on the table. no thanks - just a plate of fries the waitress walked away and dirk looked around the room. apart from a family seated in the far corner there was only one other person in the restaurant - and he wasnt eating. the guy was about mid twenties and had straggling shoulder length hair. on the table in front of him were lots of pieces of paper cut into squares. every so often he would pick up a camcorder and pan it around the room and then when he was finished speak into a microphone which was attached to a tape recorder. dirk walked over to where the man was sitting. the small pieces of paper had paragraphs of text written on them and were stuck to the top of table with blobs of mustard. lines had been drawn some solid some dotted on the table top with a marker pen. the lines ran from one piece of paper to another. what are the lines for dirk asked real

From : roy

on sat 6 jan 2007 144438 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on fri 5 jan 2007 211041 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote on fri 5 jan 2007 121224 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote oh gee whiz golly wow . . .i didnt see the invisible ot-budd not allowed to respond statement in this thread. oh i committed a horrible sin of posting a reply to a post by the great roy in an unmoderated group!!!! not at all but you know where this will lead. where will you take it roy probably to the point where you fly into another meltdown. im not at all afraid to accept responsability for my actions. i figure it is about time for you to start the victim bs i am a victim of your secular rants and bigotries. budd honestly you are the victim of mental illness. nothing more and nothing less. still waiting for you to prove you have a license to practice medicine or psychiatry until then you dont amount to squat. budd well...............oh hell forget it. cmon that was tooooo easy! hell im a proctologist when i deal with him.g. then the nurse came in carring roy a beer and he yells i said i need a butt light! beekeep .

From : budd cochran

i cant do politics anymore. sooooo................ on to the super bowl!!!! tha pats played well last week. they host the jets on sunday jets won the last time they played the pats at home. that was then this is now no balls no glory!! pats all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your choice roy .

From : roy

was reading that nascar great benny parson is in the icu do to the complications of cancer. a real class guy. roy .

From : budd cochran

on fri 5 jan 2007 121224 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote oh gee whiz golly wow . . .i didnt see the invisible ot-budd not allowed to respond statement in this thread. oh i committed a horrible sin of posting a reply to a post by the great roy in an unmoderated group!!!! not at all but you know where this will lead. where will you take it roy probably to the point where you fly into another meltdown. im not at all afraid to accept responsability for my actions. i figure it is about time for you to start the victim bs i am a victim of your secular rants and bigotries. budd honestly you are the victim of mental illness. nothing more and nothing less. still waiting for you to prove you have a license to practice medicine or psychiatry until then you dont amount to squat. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

on fri 5 jan 2007 005208 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote a 94 doesnt have a cat. well mine didnt anyway. they have never had cats only thermo reactions mistaken for cats. 02 or 03 was the first year for cats on the cummins. .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote which christmas did he mean the christian one with the baby jesus in the manger nah ... that ones boring. or the secular one with the booze drugs sins etc. yeah ... thats the good one. i had quite a few bottles of the ole blood of the lord myself this past xmas. craig c. .

From : chris thompson

i thought it was blue spray paint for your teeth bfg -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. this is something i know nothing aboutalong with a ton of other things. anyway the charger has it. i have to get a cell phone that has it as well. thats as far as i go. what do ya have to do to operate them do they kinda initialize themselves like a key fob i have a month or two to get this understood. tia roy .

From : stephen harding

budd cochran wrote so tell me something when will that apply to me budd budd cochran wrote the only problem ken is that i wasnt harboring any grudges against anyone in this group and still dont but many chose to take offense that i made a decision to try to live closer to my god and what he wants me to be. i and most others here dont care how you want to live your life. but you take offense at their ways the same way you accuse them of. thats why religion shouldnt be discussed in ngs!! everyone has their own views. live them and let others live theirs the way they choose without ridicule. maybe when you stop cramming your religion down our throats! bob .

From : miles

looks like at some point we are all going to be stuck with assclowns like gordon and johnson as all the others are retiring dying or leaving for other reason. kenseth will be around for quite a while. yeah larry forgot to mention him. ;^ whats with mark martin driving front row joes car this coming year i believe joe moved to the car added by the owner. probably had to do with martin in a recognized car and the sponser. roy ken .

From : budd cochran

no ken i meant it as i wrote it word for word. one person has the gumption to not hide his beliefs and some take offense the old i liked you better before stuff. theres no need for discussion. i believe as i choose. i post as those beliefs constrain me to if no religious content required none posted; if required it will be in the post. budd budd cochran wrote the only problem ken is that i wasnt harboring any grudges against anyone in this group and still dont but many chose to take offense that i made a decision to try to live closer to my god and what he wants me to be. so who is it really that needs to let bygones be bygones budd do you really need me to answer this for you im still willing to debate your posting habits and how they are related to our personal rights of religous beliefs. im giving you a second chance to think this one out. -- ken -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : budd cochran

so tell me something when will that apply to me budd budd cochran wrote the only problem ken is that i wasnt harboring any grudges against anyone in this group and still dont but many chose to take offense that i made a decision to try to live closer to my god and what he wants me to be. i and most others here dont care how you want to live your life. but you take offense at their ways the same way you accuse them of. thats why religion shouldnt be discussed in ngs!! everyone has their own views. live them and let others live theirs the way they choose without ridicule. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

im beginning to think like al mike. do i have the correct dipstick is there a part number for that thing ed ed the capacity of the 4.7l is 6qts w/filter. mike .

From : budd cochran

on jan 4 742 pm budd cochran mr-d...@preciscom.net wrote will roy probably not but i dont give a flying fig big deal its flying fuck not flying fig. sorry but i dont use that language. its against my beliefs. and you should care whether roy forgives you. he and jesus knock down a few at the pub from time to time. he could put in good word for ya. then he knows a different jesus than i do. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

on jan 4 742 pm budd cochran mr-d...@preciscom.net wrote will roy probably not but i dont give a flying fig big deal its flying fuck not flying fig. and you should care whether roy forgives you. he and jesus knock down a few at the pub from time to time. he could put in good word for ya. dont mention a pub to budd. g roy craig c. .

From : budd cochran

on jan 4 645 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote and what plan is that do you not understand the word *any* bush has relaxed standards. thats the wrong direction. i brought up kyoto because its the most prominent plan currently around the globe and about the only one anyones even discussing. you whine about me bringing up kyoto im not whining. you brought it up as if i were defending it. when for the past several years liberals and democrats have been whining about bush not signing the kyoto treaty. im not a liberal or a democrat so stop bringing kyoto up. i dont give a rats behind about the kyoto treaty. what i care about is the backward direction this country is going in regards to air and water pollution. companies shouldnt be able to choose whether or not they are going to destroy my air and my water. fuck kyoto lets take care of our own country first. lead by example .... thats what we *should* be doing. instead we are the worst polluting advanced nation. bush told congress dems included to give him a better plan. they have not done so. and he hasnt done shit either besides put us further in the hole. hes the leader. the blame is on him and that ole bag he appointed to head the epa. leadership and piss poor appointees seem to be a problem for dubya. craig c. .

From : roy

can i find out stuff about caravan on th e group .

From : budd cochran

budd ill ask once and only once. its been asked before so dont worry about it. is it really beyond your ability to stay out of arguments i mean shoot youve been posting again for what a week and already you tbone and roy are into it err so to speak. all i have to do is express an opinion belief or attitude not in accordance to their rules and it starts. ah yes they started it. but do you have to finish it did they have to start it i dont believe it!!! you brought me into it. you had your last and it just wasnt good enough was it you are truly on sick person. like i said i did nothing no one else was doing i just didnt pat their backs and tell them everything wil be fine i guess it is impossible for them to let me be different. seriously dude if they annoy you like you say or they attack as you so im not going to get into the debate about what i see going on with anyone then why do you engage them in these arguments why not turn the other cheek where did he say christian he said you!! stop useing your new found belief s as a excuse for your phoney bullshit. have some dignity and stand up like a man for gosh sakes! why is it the christian always has to back off turn the other cheek hide in the corner and not say anything that rocks the liberal atheistic socialist leaky boat in this respect i have to be honest with you you sound just like them. my sincere hope is that you will seriously think about it. i have. and what you see is the result of that thought process prayers bible study more prayers discussions with my pastor retired marine chaplain perhaps in your discusssions you should invite your pastor to read what you have posted over the past month or so. perhaps then he will be able to advise you. but ya wont do that cause then he too will see ya for the phoney you are. i too am from scottish irish and indian decent. i know full well what temper comes with the blood line. excellent!!! then you understand the difficulties of not losing ones temper and for me that strength comes from god. . . .unless i screw up and refuse his help. again i ask you why does the christian have to back down all the time that is being discriminatory. my words opinions beliefs and attitudes are of no more nor no less value that theirs. i am not more valuable nor less valuable in my opinion than they are to society. hmmm im not saying you have to back down all the time or that the christian should always back down. but we too have had the discussion about foolish and fruitless arguements and what the bible has to say about them. defending ones beliefs is never foolish. still ive not seen them tell each other to back off just me. now who attacked your beliefs in this thread prior to this post are we to hide it under a bushel to keep from offending those that hate christ jesus said i come to bring a sword. and to set brother against brother. as for them if they believe as christians do there isnt enough evidence to put a spot on their shirts let alone show anyone else that they believe. being a christian has nothing to do with responding to your mindless bs. theyve refused to answer direct questions about their beliefs. you have been answered a couple of time. are the ashamed of what they believe dont feel the need to cram my beliefs down ever persons throat. .

From : tom lawrence

says... i have a 94 dodge ram 1500 5.2l magnum that just rolled past 200000 miles earlier this month and although it still runs well it is showing its age and the engine feels a little tired. the truck is paid for and insurance is cheap so instead of buying a new truck however i would like to fix this one up. i have an 89 318 out of a b250 van sitting in my garage that i would like to rebuild and swap the top endheads intake etc. and fuel injection system from my truck onto so that i can put it in the truck. i would like to stroke it during the build to get more cubes and more torque for towing but most of the stroker kits i have found include expensive forged pistons and are over $1000. i plan to keep the compression fairly low and this engine will not see much abuse or high rpm use so cast pistons should be okay and would be prefferable due to my limited budget. does anyone know of a stroker crank that can be used with stock type cast 318 pistons and rods maybe a 360 crank with the mains turned down also does anyone know of a good aftermarket cam kit for this build thanks for your advice! i understand that youre trying to do this on the cheap but its not gonna work. you cant just drop in a longer stroke crank and call it good. when you stroke an engine youre gonna need longer rods and the wrist pin will probably be seated higher in the piston. denny plus grinding reliefs into the bottom of the cylinders to clear the rods. not worth all the money it would cost. i would sell both engines and buy a 360 crate motor and spend some money cleaning up the chambers sharp edges around the plug area seem to be part of the pinging problems 360s have cleaning them up sure cured my 77s pinging issues and port match the heads to the intake gaskets. a friend has this set up in a 94 and its really decent. runs ping free on 89 octane and is just slightly slower than my 03 hemi. bdk .

From : tbone

tbone wrote sorry to burst your bubble once again but i live in nc my family still lives in nj i have friends in both nh and fl and roy iirc lives in ma and all say last year and actually the past few years have been warmer than usual. i dont know where you are getting these reports from but i bet that it is some right wing source. sorry tbone. i get my info from noaa stats not some bonehead from a group. 2006 was above average 2005 was below. still the warmer years recently have not surpassed the average temp of 1998 or the average temps of 1935-1939 when the usas average temps peaked. deal with it. .

From : chris thompson

miles wrote then look where they are such as phoenix denver las vegas etc. phoenix or las vegas no thanks. denver ... maybe ... but after doing a quick search on careerbuilder and monster its not as rosey a picture as you paint. i have personally experienced the salaries drop over 30+% nationwide. a software engineering job that paid $110000.00 six years ago now pays $70000.00. yet cost of living has gone way up. regardless american jobs belong in america not india. that was the whole point. a leader that can come up with a way intice companies to keep american jobs where they belong is an absolute must to get my vote. why 60+ mpg. whats coming out of the tailpipe is clean. whats not to like youll never save in gas to pay for the absurdly high purchase price of the hybrid. further more the pollution created in the manufacture of hybrids is far higher than a convention car. they are anything but green. hybrid cars are one of thousands of ways to care for your surroundings. dont believe in it dont buy it ... but dont knock others for it. you know some people buy hybrids for reasons *other* than trying to save a buck. even so most hybrids pay for themselves within 50000 miles in fuel alone. then theres the benefits you cant put a price on cleaner air poorer arabs diminishing dependence on foriegn oil .... regarding your statement about pollution created building these vehicles well thats because the manufacturers are too fucking lazy and cheap to treat the air and water that they pollute before returning it to the environment. since most if not all of these manufacturers are outside the us theres not too much that can be done about it other than to lead by example ... or ... heres a briliant idea ... bring those jobs here and do it right! as i said the public has to fund it and that means creating viable affordable technologies. we arent there yet. so is your house entirely powered with solar or some other non-polluting technology im in the process of buying land in north carolina. the house that i will build i already have the plans will be completely detached from the grid. i will use solar and wind for energy with a backup generator. i will have a micro-irrigation system that uses water collected from a rainwater collection system. my gutters will dump water into a buried holding tank. one of my professors and i are working on a reverse osmosis water filtration system that will prepare that rain water for drinking. i will also drill a well but will only be used when absolutely necessary so as not to drain the water table. what are you doing on a dodge truck group if you own nothing but hybrids nuff said. i own a dodge truck. i burn bio-diesel which is the best possible solution for that vehicle. i ride the bus to the light rail station and the light rail to work. i use to put 30000 miles per year on my truck and now i barely put 2000 miles per year on it. if i still drove 30000 miles per year i would sell the truck and purchase a hybrid. in my current home i also do things like use energy saving bulbs timers on the thermostat and outside lights solar powered water heater xiloscape plants native to the area that require less water window tint and shutters to keep the heat out r30 insulation etc. im doing more than my part miles. again i ask are you you talk about the public needing to be involved ... youre the public so get involved. craig c. .

From : budd cochran

eye say and lord gnome answers my interactions with private eye started in may 1995 shortly after id started bleating on usenet. i tried to get the eye interested in my case as i thought they more than anyone have their finger on the pulse and would surely already know something about my case. in my first email to them entitled pas de bouteille wot no bottle i asked if they had the nerve to publish what was known to many thousands of people. their email flunky answered; date thu 11 may 95 1340 bst-1 from strobes@cix.compulink.co.uk private eye subject re pas de bouteille in-reply-to 199505102232.saa19988@freenet.carleton.ca bottle dunno really - but ive passed your mail on to the ed for his consideration. steve mann strobes ========================================================== date mon 15 may 95 1251 bst-1 from strobes@cix.compulink.co.uk private eye subject re hello again in-reply-to 199505122236.saa02574@freenet.carleton.ca hello yourself... thanks for the email. unfortunately i cant say whether or not the eye will do anything with this... im only the messenger. as the only computer-literate peron in the gnome organisation i get to read all the email and then pass it on to the editor. sorry -- not very helpful i know. steve mann strobes the following year i gave pe another little prod which yielded the following; date tue 13 feb 96 1138 gmt from strobes@cix.compulink.co.uk private eye magazine subject re previous communication in-reply-to 199602102320.saa26182@snip sorry not to reply sooner... weve been swamped with email and i have very little time to answer it. however the editor sees all the email received here and im afraid he hasnt expressed an interest in your story so i can only assume that he feels it isnt for us. sorry. strobes given that i couldnt provide the evidence to persuade the eye of the credibility of my claims i did the next best thing which was to take out classified adverts in their eye say and eye tech columns. my motivation for doing so is obvious; the eye is read both by many thousands of ordinary folk but also makes its way into the homes and consciousness of the uks political and media elite. it is also a known favourite with five. what better way of taking the fight to the enemy the first small ad appeared on 10 jan 1997 in issue 915 in eye say. it ran in that column on 24/1/97 and 7/2/97. on 21/2/97 it ran in eye tech and on 7/3/97 and 21/3/97 again in eye say. i then changed the ads wording to read bbc readers conspiracy and the new wording ran in eye say from 4/4/97 issue 921 18/4/97 to 2/5/97. the word xenophobic in the first advert had been intended to convey the sense of exclusion through the bigotry of my enemies both on the basis of race and mental condition but it seemed a bit too non-specific. bbc casters conspiracy was a little more immediate although readers had to actually wade through the website to find out what it was that the casters were conspiring to do. my next effort tried to spice up the text. mi5/bbc conspiracy ran for six issues in eye say from 5/9/97 issue 931 until 31/10/97. i suppose there is something a little sad about somebody who knows he has mental illness placing adverts about a conspiracy in which mi5s watchers enable bbc casters to personally and directly communicate with him while reading the . it is pretty sad but unfortunately it is also true both in the objective reality we all inhabit as well as in my own mind. there followed a hiatus of about a year until i resumed advertising on 2 october 1998. i paid over 200 for six months advertising of the new improved text mi5 persecution bbc casters spying on my home. this text ran from issue 960 until issue 972 19 march 1999 in eye say. private eyes editor ian hislop denies knowing anything about my case as the following email illustrates. date tue 3 nov 1998 1410 +0000 gmt standard time from strobes@private-eye.co.uk private eye subject re please answer - thank you cc strobes@private-eye.co.uk reply-to strobes@private-eye.co.uk sorry to take so long to answer. as soon as the editor returned from holiday steve went away. steve is still away and so i am answering your letter. i have asked the editor and he knows nothing about any conspiracy between m15 and the bbc. hope this helps. mary aylmer private eye i must say im quite surprised he knows nothing; the eye is usually well clued up on whats going on. 1199 .

From : budd cochran

counter-surveillance sweep by nationwide investigations group in july 1994 the private detective agency nationwide investigations group conducted an electronic counter-surveillance sweep of my parents home in london. they checked for radio transmitter devices and tested the telephone line for attached bugs. they found nothing. i am afraid that i was unsurprised at their not finding any evidence of covert surveillance. it had been made very clear to me particularly during 1990-92 that audio and almost certainly video surveillance of my parents home was taking place. but this would not have been made quite so obvious unless the persecutors were confident of their apparatus being undetectable using the technology the police or a private agency like nationwide would be using. i dont know very much about the surveillance technology that has been used against me but i understand that devices can be built which switch off on receiving a coded command and may switch on again after a counter- surveillance sweep has completed; that devices may rapidly alter the frequency of transmission frequency-hopping devices which presumably cannot be detected in a sequential scan of the sort employed by nationwide; and of course probe microphones can be inserted through-the-wall although i hesitate to believe our neighbours would permit this. we paid nationwide 411.25 including vat for the surveillance sweep which took them about an hour and a half to complete using a professional 5000 multi-scanner ccl uhf scanner and guideline telephone tap detector. as i said above i dont know very much about these things so i cant comment on the capabilities or otherwise of this equipment. but clearly the watchers are using technology which in 1994 was beyond the detection capabilities of a good private detective agency. 23 .

From : budd cochran

good grief. i actually think that he is serious! what a pity. a mind is such a terrible thing to waste. too bad your mind wasnt the only thing wasted your heart and soul were too. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : max dodge

craig c. wrote *any* plan is better than what we have. right now pullution vouchers are traded and sold. thats rediculous. the kyoto plan allows exactly what you are upset about. many hundreds of thousands of software development and hardware engineering jobs have disappeared and are continuing to disappear. salaries are dropping because of the over abundance of out-of-work developers/engineers. manufacturing has high paying jobs disappearing as well. this is simply not true. companies in the high tech industrial and aerospace engineering fields are having a tough time finding workers to fill the spots. electronics engineers are especially hard to find. what has dropped off is demand for .com geeks that have been outsourced. simply put you are detached from reality if you think we are better off with our manufacturing and engineering jobs going overseas. i dont think were better off in that regard except engineering jobs are not largely going overseas. there is huge demand for them here. how do i know im in the high tech industrial and aerospace industry. software engineers electronics engineers and electro-mechanical engineers are very tough to find. id like to see what you would say if you lost your job to an indian. there is no reason for our government to sit by and simply let this happen. i agree. but i also think people tend to ignore the vast number of jobs that have been insourced that is well above the number of jobs lost. i am. are you i will buy a viable product. however i do not feel current hybrid cars are a viable product. at best their technology may in some day help in creating a viable alternative fueled car. but today its not a good buy. .

From : tbone

and do exactly what with those carriers sit there with them launch air attacks a war can not be won from the air if thats what your thinking is. well im not suggesting we win a war from the air. but... why do we need to win a war iraq the balkans etc all places thta mindset isnt abotu winning a war but slowly killing the occupying enemy. so why put ourselves in a position to be killed off little by little only to gain.... access to empty storage sheds realistically we could project our power into iraq strike a target and take minimal flak for it on the global stage. we lose very little we have no insurgent bullshit and the country remains stable. hell even if we take out saddam by air we still dont have our troops trying to balance the situation on the head of a pin. what im saying is this whole deal could have been better thought out. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max dodge wrote yeah i got that first time. so what you are saying is that we went into a country after a ghost essentially. not at all. i never said it was reason to go in. i merely stated my belief there were wmds that existed and that saddam had ample time to move them. again i say there were better ways of projecting our power than putting an expeditionary force on the ground in iraq. aircraft carriers come to mind. and do exactly what with those carriers sit there with them launch air attacks a war can not be won from the air if thats what your thinking is. .

From : azwiley1max dodge

craig c. wrote conservationists on the other hand which make up about 95% of the environmental movement have a much more balanced view and are the ones behind the scenes doing the work that is grossly misrepresented by the preservationists. many avid 4x4ers are also conservationists. these groups hold regular outings to clean up trails repair surrounding river beds damaged from storm erosion etc. their motto tread lightly is something they believe in firmly. these groups do more for the outdoors than the so called enviromentalists or preservationists. yet they are the groups blasted by these idiots because they dont know what they do and accomplish. the issue of how much air polution a company can spew should be command and control ... and it was until bush fucked it up. the kyoto treaty is a piece of crap. while i agree we need better laws to cut pollution this treaty was absurd. it set rules far stricter on the usa than anywhere else in the world. it allows developing nations to pollute as they see fit. it was not a treat universally applied to all signers. i agree with bush in not signing on to it. a better treaty or national plan is needed. are you aware of the massive number of insourced jobs that simply dwarf those outsourced nope ... and i dont give a shit. high tech and manufacturing jobs are being whisked away. since engineering is this countries greatest strength we need to keep those jobs here. insourced jobs are higher paying jobs. its the low end manufacturing jobs etc. that are outsourced. insourced jobs simply dwarf the number of jobs outsourced. no comparison. a gentle nudge by the government is needed. a plan to become self sufficient must be presented and enforced by our government. otherwise big oil and utilities are going to crush it. a huge tax on gasoline will cause that nudge for the public to buy into alternative technologies. my point was that the only place where enough money can be generated is from public demand. no government r&d funded program will be enough. the public has to buy it. .

From : roy

azwiley1 wrote 1 no illegal immigrants. large penalties for companies that break the rules. i feel that any company regardless of size that knowingly and willfully employs them should face federal charges. agreed. honestly ... what does the ins do nowadays sit around and pull their pud 3 foriegn policy that will regain the respect we once had. i think this could be done by simple not running off to every piss ant conflict just because again it would take time but it could be done. youre probably correct. if we could just leave well enough alone ... who knows 4 balanced budget with a plan to pay the 11 trillion were going owe by the time dumbass gets out of office. how about countries like japan korea iraq and others that we have constantly given money to rebuilt their country etc. pay us back gee how much money you think it truly owed to us with interest wed come out way ahead. but since that will never happen a logical realistic balanced approach to budgeting is required. and a plan to get out of debt is also required. 5 a method or set of laws to keep american jobs in america. not india china ireland and eastern europe. let me think. usually incentive based laws work well in these circumstances. it will definitely take some creative minds to come up with a solution to this. it will also require that the american public voice there disgust for outsourcing. for example when i call a help desk and get someone in india ... that company gets a letter and a peice of my mind. if i have the option to switch to a competitor then thats what i do ... but i make sure that the orginal company knows why. if we dont tell them how do they know 6 peace. man i am talking about presidency not a god like status! ill rephrase. a *plan* for peace. 7 government involvement in cleaner renewable energy and a plan to become completely self sufficient. i think it is brazil that is the leading knowledge base for alt fuel specifically bd. i am sure that offered the right insentives we could get help in this area. not saying we dont have the knowledge base homegrown but a little help couldnt hurt. and this is what irritates the shit out of me. the us could own the alternative energy market. we invented many of the technologies and didnt do anything with them. now the japs russians aussies and insert country here are cashing in. i may be a biased ... but i firmly believe that the us has *the* best engineers in the world. the proof is in the pudding. what we suck at ... is marketing the inventions. craig c. .

From : roy

another loser suffering from lds - little dick syndrome hahahahhahahahaahahahahaha! right on miles ! edwards and the like are nothing short of latter-day carpetbaggers...lower than whaleshit. he belongs with the towel-heads. land olakes fred miles wrote fuller rath wrote you must have brown eyes because you sure are full of shit. oh show me credible current medical evidence that substantiates edwards claims regarding his claims regarding birthing methods causing parkinsons the evidence is in contrary to his absurd claims. edwards didnt give a dang about these patients. the only thing he cared about is stuffing his pockets with cash. .

From : nosey

wondering how to tell if my 99 ram 1500 2wd is 4 wheel or 2 wheel abs. guy who sold it to me said it was 4 but i dont know how to tell. 4wabs will have a pump assembly on the drivers side fender next to the firewall... couple of electrical connectors and brake lines running in/out of it. youll also have a black wire running parallel to your flexible brake hoses on the front wheels. .

From : budd cochran

napalmheart wrote first thanks to all of those who replied. theres a special washer that goes between the bolt and the pulley. this washer was bent in so that it was touching on the outer race of the bearing causing a squealling noise. i could tell it was touching by the witness marks left on the back of the washer. i put the bolt through the washer and positioned it on a vise so that it would bend the washer where the witness marks were when i hit the bolt head with a hammer. there was still a small squeal that went away when i sprayed silicone spray on the back of the belt and i saw the surfaces on the idler and water pump pulleys clean up to bright and shiney both driven by the back of the belt. i then sprayed chlorinated brake cleaner on the belt and pulleys to clean the silicone off. after letting it set so the brake cleaner could evaporate i replaced the belt with a new gatorback. best wishes to all ken witness marks - thats engineer talk. hit the bolt head with a hammer - thats mechanic talk. which one are you -- another ken .

From : budd cochran

am i or are you i have a set of values that tell me these things are wrong yet you advocate them all. which is the more hurtful to others in the long run budd on tue 2 jan 2007 105442 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote heres some prophecies for you two concerning the liberal led congress more gay marriages allowed. more sex and violence on tv more hatred towards fundamental christians and jews more restrictions on what is allowed to be displayed at christmas and easter more crime more terrrorism yeah things are gonna get only worse. and liberals will the the cause. budd wow. you continue to amaze me budd. i try to just let it go i really do..............but you are just an incredible moron. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : Annonymous

craig c. wrote i dont speak for liberals. i know this the bush administration made the accusation that there was overwhelming evidence of a tie between iraq and al qaeda. the burden of proof is on them not me not you and not anyone else that agrees or disagrees with the right or left. youre one of the few that seems to dispute the existence of an al queda camp in iraq. youre in the minority even among the more prominent democrat politicians. your hatred of bush and political bias makes it impossible for you to accept anything that goes against said views. i dont like bush either but there was an al queda camp in iraq. .

From : Annonymous

on jan 2 640 pm roy r...@home.net wrote it would seem that you might have use for the c clamp one full turn should do it.bfg good point ... cracking my skull sounds much more invigorating than talking to brain dead right winger or a brain dead left winger for that matter. miles apparently puts the contact points over his ears. the only person he hears is himself. - craig c. .

From : chris thompson

on tue 2 jan 2007 105442 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote heres some prophecies for you two concerning the liberal led congress more gay marriages allowed. more sex and violence on tv more hatred towards fundamental christians and jews more restrictions on what is allowed to be displayed at christmas and easter more crime more terrrorism yeah things are gonna get only worse. and liberals will the the cause. budd wow. you continue to amaze me budd. i try to just let it go i really do..............but you are just an incredible moron. .

From : Annonymous

on jan 2 629 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote look up jamaah al islamiya. now what evidence are you looking for a website you already stated you wont accept it because any website thats not a liberal biased one youd discount anyways. anyone can produce a website to say anything you want it to say. you seem to dispute what even the liberal left does not. i dont speak for liberals. i know this the bush administration made the accusation that there was overwhelming evidence of a tie between iraq and al qaeda. the burden of proof is on them not me not you and not anyone else that agrees or disagrees with the right or left. there is no overwhelming evidence is there miles come on ... admitting it is the first step to recovering from right wing brain washing. craig c. .

From : roy

septicman@peoplepc.com wrote nhtsa if i am recalling correctly. i will have to look that up to be sure. john edwards just another low-life ambulance-chasing keep the highway mayhem coming personal injury lawyer who made his fortune off of those who refused to wear their safety belts and/or their survivors. he made much of his money winning lawsuits claiming drs delivery techniques caused parkinsons disease. it has since been proven his claims were false. .

From : budd cochran

my brake and abs lights come on in my 92 ram. it was the speed sensor on the rear axle. shrinkydink105@yahoo.com wrote i have a 1999 4 wheel drive dodge durango and the abs and brake light both came on i replaced the rear abs sensor hoping this would get the lights to come out yet nothing happened. does anyone have any idea what might need to be done now the brakes work just fine but the darn lights would come out .

From : budd cochran

roy wrote the one thing that do i find bizzare is your constant rant about liberals. talk about biteing the hand that literally feeds you. the libs are the only ones fighting for the social programs that avail yourself to. left to your conservative idols youd be screwed. i doubt it. some programs have become part of american government and arent going to get messed around with too much by either party. i agree. social security medicare/medicaid and a host of social programs havent gone away under conservative rule and couldnt. it would be political suicide. i get medicare a/b i pay out of pocket for subsidy insurance for my medications and i draw ssi. i dont get some benefits because my wife is still working. social welfare programs seem to enhance the service management class social workers program accountants program managers etc. etc. etc. rather than the actual poor or sick receiving the services as far as i can tell. smh you noticed that also have a good day. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

roy wrote snipped a ton of budds bs hey roy ... could you give that c-clamp about a 1/2 a turn this time nah not yet his entertainment still has value for a bit. roy - craig c. .

From : stephen harding

budd cochran wrote as for the programs how many liberals want those programs for themselves for their own retirements how many staunch liberal democrats are nothing more than welfare moms or drug users or drunks http//homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm craig c. .

From : budd cochran

stephen harding wrote however there was minor collusion between hussein and al qaida. thats evidence that i would like to see. hussein gave one of al qaidas operatives asylum in iraq for a period of time for a medical operation i think. i forget the guys name. hrm even if true is a medical procedure enough of a tie to justify an invasion that is stretching the limits a bit wouldnt you say he also was happy to support the al qaida group up in northern iraq which largely was content to blow up kurds. again where is the evidence of this tie the bush administration insisted that the evidence existed ... and it doesnt. at least not that i have been able to find. every intelligence agency in the world thought he had wmds not just the us no excuse. as the leaders of the free world we had an obligation to verify the data. we didnt thanks to a trigger happy president. but to say bush *lied* to the american people over this is simply not in evidence. to state this as a fact is itself a lie. what i said was your president misled the world. i believe we can agree on that much. correct i also said the next logical question is did he do it intentionally this is not as black and white. i find it hard to believe however that with all of the intelligence agencies and tools at our

From : roy

chad@pengar.com wrote there is no empirical proof that global warming is man made. agreed. there is however some startling results. the cause of global warming is very difficult to prove empirically. in fact a true scientist doesnt empirically prove anything. they test a hypothesis and document the result that support or do not support the orginal hypothesis. its up to the public and the government to listen or ignore the results. in short what we do know is this 1 we are expelling huge amounts of carbon oxide co co2 nitrogen oxides and other gases/particulate matter into the atmosphere. mostly from the burning of fossil fuels either by automobiles or industrial uses electricity generation etc. 2 we know that these gases/particulate matter trap heat. it is all in models that have been shown to be unreliable. unfortunately the topic has become politicized so not many scientists will speak out on the lack of evidence and flimsy models. i agree to a certain extent. the political red tape that exists for *any* environmental problem is rediculous. there are plenty of viable models ... just nobody to listen to the results. junkscience.com is one interesting place to start but not the only one. ill stick to the books written by scientists. a few interesting things that they dont tell you on the is that 1 climate started warming biggest shifts before the largest increases in co2 and not the other way around might want to check your sources. 2 co2 input affects on climate is logarithmic and not linear. that means that as you get more co2 in the atmosphere the effects of that extra co2 are much less. true ... but this does not mean that the amount already in the atmosphere isnt enough to shift the climate. 3 climatologists especially paleo climatoligists who study long term climate change do not think that the current bit is more than a natural cycle. there are a few that believe this. there are more that believe that we are impacting the climate with greenhouse gases. we know who the bush administration choses to listen to. i am not denying that the climate is changing -- that is what climates do. just that mans affect on it is not the cause of the change. i disagree. global warming is not my focus but i do dabble quite a bit in air quality in my studies. there is enough viable evidence of global warming to warrant that our government take a more proactive role. i still think bio is a good thing to do. better for your engine if done in a quality way etc and also reduces dependency on those wonderful adherents to the religion of peace and helps the environment on the polution side of things and makes us less dependent on other countries etc etc etc agreed. becoming self sufficient is going to be this countries biggest challenge. especially in regards to energy production and consumption. craig c. .

From : roy

craig c. wrote your president misled the world. the next logical question is did he do it intentionally whether the answer to that question is yes or no it does not change the fact that bush is 100% responsible for what has happened. the buck stops with him. do you deny this yes the buck stops with bush. he invaded iraq and it was his doing no one elses. however there was minor collusion between hussein and al qaida. hussein gave one of al qaidas operatives asylum in iraq for a period of time for a medical operation i think. i forget the guys name. he also was happy to support the al qaida group up in northern iraq which largely was content to blow up kurds. every intelligence agency in the world thought he had wmds not just the us chemical primarily; and the case for nuclear was always shaky at best. he surely had them. he *used* them! so where did they go and why was he acting as he did during the weapons inspection days dont know. but to say bush *lied* to the american people over this is simply not in evidence. to state this as a fact is itself a lie. smh .

From : roy

i thought i was in your kill-file!! lol you and roy live under a dillusion that im on psychotropic medications . . .fine i threw that thought away a long time ago. i figure you are a dry drunk who has finally become aware that you have fucked up your entire life and are now lashing out at everybody. from bad to worse then not really. at least when i thought your meds were sdrewed up it would point to you at least trying to get some help. but having rethought the situation i feel my assesment is pretty much on the money. im pretty sure you know it is as well. well roy i consider your opinion to be worth less than you think of mine. and no i am not honored to be out of your killfile. life was better when you didnt speak at all to me. who mentioned killfile in this thread you brought me into this part of the thread fool. all i said was fact about tom and about you. does the truth hurt in your opinion of course. an opinion based on close to a lifetime dealing with them. one in particular. bet you looked at it with your biased liberalvision glasses on. no actually i looked on it with disgust and loathing. iow your own bigotry. did you get them in you box of weepies the breakfast cereal of liberals live your little lies to yourselves. dream on fool. no that would be you two . . . . no you see myself and most around here seem pretty happy with our situations. sure we all have ups and downs and sadness in our lives but we deal with it and move on. you on the other hand present yourself as a angry miserable victimized old man. i suppose if youve managed to convince yourself that everything is sombody elses fault or at least have some person or political group to blame you can live as you do. rotflmbo!!!! no roy i do not blame others for that stuff but you and tom like to lay guilt trips. pathetic! from the resident victim. lol the victims are those that hide from truth behind liberalistic lies. must make you feel better about yourselves but then you both need to boost your egos regularly. i call the idiocy of the liberal agenda as i see it; big brother running everything supporting no one taxing everything and giving nothing. the one thing that do i find bizzare is your constant rant about liberals. talk about biteing the hand that literally feeds you. the libs are the only ones fighting for the social programs that avail yourself to. left to your conservative idols youd be screwed. really roy did you see in the where dc is signing contracts with the chinese for a small auto because liberal run american unions have made building cars here too expensive stop the spin! the para is about the social programs that you avail yourself to that the liberals advocate. thus saving your worthless ass. so im worthless now. my how much hatred you have towards me. you support unions which have been cutting your throat and the the throats of american industry and not only do you not even even realize it you advocate it. well i can tell ya this. ive been out injured since sept. i have my health benifits and recieve 80% of my pay. yup the union is really cutting my throat. but now that i think about it what is real nice is that it really must piss you off. nope not at all. so you have insurance this makes you better than me right heres some prophecies for you two concerning the liberal led congress prophecies by a dry drunk are meaningless. more gay marriages allowed. a state issue soon to be federal or have you forgotten pelosi more sex and violence on tv more hatred towards fundamental christians and jews that is up to the individual. there is a lot more religons than that you are being selective. nope just looking at the past couple christmases and activities of the strong arm hit men of the liberals the aclu the cutting of a microphone because a high school graduate gives credit to her faith for the strength to finish school the damages done to religious symbols over the holidays...of course the liberal media never reports this stuff if it can avoid it. other religions liberals advocate them over christianity / judaism because most dont tell you that youre going to hell. instead they give you a nice placebo. more restrictions on what is allowed to be displayed at christmas and easter that is a local issue nope religious freedom of expression is a federal issue roy. or have you forgotten the first amendment more crime another local issue so even federal crimes are a local issue arent your local cops already overworked more terrrorism yeah things are gonna get only worse. and liberals will the the cause. gotta blame sombody. hey the obvious group to focus on would be those with the least moral values liberals. you prattle on and on but you know they will protect your place at the trough and i know t

From : budd cochran

i thought i was in your kill-file!! lol you and roy live under a dillusion that im on psychotropic medications . . .fine i threw that thought away a long time ago. i figure you are a dry drunk who has finally become aware that you have fucked up your entire life and are now lashing out at everybody. from bad to worse then not really. at least when i thought your meds were sdrewed up it would point to you at least trying to get some help. but having rethought the situation i feel my assesment is pretty much on the money. im pretty sure you know it is as well. well roy i consider your opinion to be worth less than you think of mine. and no i am not honored to be out of your killfile. life was better when you didnt speak at all to me. who mentioned killfile in this thread you brought me into this part of the thread fool. in your opinion of course. an opinion based on close to a lifetime dealing with them. one in particular. bet you looked at it with your biased liberalvision glasses on. no actually i looked on it with disgust and loathing. did you get them in you box of weepies the breakfast cereal of liberals live your little lies to yourselves. dream on fool. no that would be you two . . . . no you see myself and most around here seem pretty happy with our situations. sure we all have ups and downs and sadness in our lives but we deal with it and move on. you on the other hand present yourself as a angry miserable victimized old man. i suppose if youve managed to convince yourself that everything is sombody elses fault or at least have some person or political group to blame you can live as you do. rotflmbo!!!! no roy i do not blame others for that stuff but you and tom like to lay guilt trips. pathetic! from the resident victim. must make you feel better about yourselves but then you both need to boost your egos regularly. i call the idiocy of the liberal agenda as i see it; big brother running everything supporting no one taxing everything and giving nothing. the one thing that do i find bizzare is your constant rant about liberals. talk about biteing the hand that literally feeds you. the libs are the only ones fighting for the social programs that avail yourself to. left to your conservative idols youd be screwed. really roy did you see in the where dc is signing contracts with the chinese for a small auto because liberal run american unions have made building cars here too expensive stop the spin! the para is about the social programs that you avail yourself to that the liberals advocate. thus saving your worthless ass. you support unions which have been cutting your throat and the the throats of american industry and not only do you not even even realize it you advocate it. well i can tell ya this. ive been out injured since sept. i have my health benifits and recieve 80% of my pay. yup the union is really cutting my throat. but now that i think about it what is real nice is that it really must piss you off. heres some prophecies for you two concerning the liberal led congress prophecies by a dry drunk are meaningless. more gay marriages allowed. a state issue more sex and violence on tv more hatred towards fundamental christians and jews that is up to the individual. there is a lot more religons than that you are being selective. more restrictions on what is allowed to be displayed at christmas and easter that is a local issue more crime another local issue more terrrorism yeah things are gonna get only worse. and liberals will the the cause. gotta blame sombody. you prattle on and on but you know they will protect your place at the trough and i know that is what you really care about. .

From : budd cochran

nhtsa if i am recalling correctly. i will have to look that up to be sure. john edwards just another low-life ambulance-chasing keep the highway mayhem coming personal injury lawyer who made his fortune off of those who refused to wear their safety belts and/or their survivors. do you think they want the govt to step up enforcement of the safety belt laws or anything else for that matter why is our car insurance so ridiculously high the john edwardses. fuck almost all of those bottom-feeders. by and large most of the american driving public constitues the single largest group of shiftless moronic bastards the world will have ever seen. just look at the horrific oversized and overkill gas eating junk on the road they persist in purchasing. i live in snow country where there are ski hills etc. for the last 15 years or so we have only been getting about one-third of the annual snowfall common in the sixties and seventies. what did people drive to the ski hills in those days 95+% drove 2-wheel drive cars. period. no problem getting through. and most of those cars were rear wheel drive. damn few semis on the road. basically almost all of the vehicles were approximately the same size and weight except for the vw coffins of course. now every dumb-fuck up here and in the chicago area who travel here just has to have a 4-wheel drive something usually a full-size truck with huge tires less p.s.i. on the road duh. a goodly number with a plow too of course. the complete phallic package. so if by chance i should have to take on one of those phallic bastards with my town car i will be damn lucky to be saved by the safety belts and airbags. a compact car not a prayer in hell. all three of my children drive full-size ford products 18 year old girl drives a primo 95 continental; 20 year old boy drives a 93 crown vic and 31 year old boy drives a 96 crown vic. i drive a 95 town car and a 99 continental. all three children understand that driving anything smaller would be the same thing as smoking cigarettes guaranteed suicide. not an option. is it any wonder the towel-headed scum have our number we are stupid beyond any hope. so we must all idividually do whatever we can to protect ourselves and those entrusted to us. land olakes fred miles wrote septicman@peoplepc.com wrote 90% of those who had been wearing their safety belts survived and/or were non-seriously injured. got any credible source to back up your claim that only 10% of traffic deaths were wearing seat belts i agree that its dumb to drive and not wear a belt but its not the governments job to make people do so. insurance companies can enforce it by lowering claims if injuries can be shown to have been increased by the lack of seat belt use in a particuar accident. .

From : budd cochran

bruce burden wrote did you know that dhmo killed more than 230000 people in one day and yet the governments and the un do nothing to stop the slaughter. dhmo. you can live without it. visit dhmo.org today! bruce wow that dhmo stuff is everywhere! were doomed if the government doesnt step in to regulate this nasty substance. ; http//www.dhmo.org/facts.html many folks in my community have been handicapped or killed by dhmo typically discharged by irresponsible corporations. something needs to be done but there is too much corporate monies involved. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . here in michigan we are concerned that those in other states want to take our dhmo away from us! ken .

From : bigironram

napalmheart olsonfam@iserv.net wrote after his hanging i wonder if he is with a 100 virgins that was a misprint. saddam is spending eternity with virginians. ok .

From : miles

to all you on the east coast happy new years!!!!!!!! i luckily have two more hours to drink before midnight! .

From : azwiley1

please dont post photos to a text only group. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. ive got my 2006 liberty crd for sale $26500 selec trac 4wd sunroof cd changer many options -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : Annonymous

max dodge wrote its my firm belief that weapons did exist. according to what you quote elsewhere the iraq report which one there existed only the systems to produce these weapons. further the question then comes as to why we negotiate with nk/kji but we invade iraq. the un found weapons and tagged and put seals on them. when they returned the seals were broken and the weapons gone. saddams weapons declaration to the un made no mention of them nor what happened to them. the report does not dispute this. it only states no evidence of weapons were currently found but it does mention there are known weapons missing and unaccounted for. yeah i got that first time. so what you are saying is that we went into a country after a ghost essentially. again i say there were better ways of projecting our power than putting an expeditionary force on the ground in iraq. aircraft carriers come to mind. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author .

From : max dodge

any particular reason for the sale -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ive got my 2006 liberty crd for sale $26500 selec trac 4wd sunroof cd changer many options -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : mike simmons

on dec 31 552 am mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote i am sooo damned tired of hearing this leftist bullshit. exactly how did bush and his admisnistration lie please cite an example of this lie. until you can do so please remain silent on what you know nothing about 1 iraq has and is developing weapons of mass destruction. -proved a lie 2 iraq is aiding and and giving safe haven to al quada. -proved a lie 3 iraq is a threat to our freedom. -rediculous lie. thats what comes to my mind. craig c. .

From : budd cochran

max dodge wrote over 50000 civilian deaths in the iraq war and occupation. the lives of early 3000 of our own military personal. despite what you may want to believe bush isnt responsible for all civilian deaths. nor is our military. as part of our military one accepts the risk of being killed in the line of duty as such bush is not responsible for those deaths either. thats the facts like it or not. were there a way to pin the deaths on bush id certainly admit it and agree with you. but you are wrong. saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. yup and if bush had killed 150 of our civilians in the u.s. simply because they are not of the same faith/ancestry as he was and he did it by using torture methods and a secret police force then maybe bush would be equivalent to hussein. until then you are way off base. -- max bush and his administration lied to the american people and our representatives to get support for the invasion of iraq. i am sooo damned tired of hearing this leftist bullshit. exactly how did bush and his admisnistration lie please cite an example of this lie. until you can do so please remain silent on what you know nothing about good morning mike. g roy good morning roy ;^ mike .

From : max dodge

on dec 31 440 pm chris thompson kf4drr-nos...@alltel.net wrote uh ill put it this way for personal and financial reasons. we love the truck but it has to go. ah. sorry to hear that. craig what do ya want to know its a loaded liberty crd they only come in the sport package and with the 4wd. its got just about any option you can think of putting in it and has 15000 miles on it. runs like a champ. anything else you want to know email me the color any pics etc. we can discuss in private. craig c. .

From : max dodge

uh ill put it this way for personal and financial reasons. we love the truck but it has to go. sorry to hear it dude. but itll sell better now that your reasons are evident. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author uh ill put it this way for personal and financial reasons. we love the truck but it has to go. craig what do ya want to know its a loaded liberty crd they only come in the sport package and with the 4wd. its got just about any option you can think of putting in it and has 15000 miles on it. runs like a champ. anything else you want to know -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. on dec 31 1136 am max dodge max...@verizon.net wrote any particular reason for the sale errr ... provided there is nothing wrong with it ... tell me more. my lady needs something new ... craig c. .

From : roy

roy wrote well miles which comes first the additional troops or a plan id like to think a clear plan comes first. however that plan should not be made public for your pre-approval. thats what pisses me off there has been no effective plan. that place has been in a civil war for months everybody with a brain seems to be able to grasp rhis but gw. .

From : max dodge

seeing as you ask. if we are going to keep boots on the ground then disarm the motherfuckers!!! it would seem that every friggin raghead has a ak47 1000 rounds and a couple of rpgs. and they are useing them on our troops. if you get incoming from anywhere you take it out! i dont give a fuck if it is coming from a relgious building a hospital or a friggin school light them the hell up!! ya have to take the restrictions off our troops! screw public opinion it is our people that are being killed. turn them loose. i cant agree more. sending in more policy restricted troops isnt a solution. of course the whining segment of the liberals will complain about casualties among civilians. oh darn. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on sun 31 dec 2006 150234 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote at 1159pm est saddam hussein was hung to death!!!!!!!!! so i guess those of you that think that gw is and has been doing the right thing in the desert support his idea of sending 20000 to 30000 more troops in. would that be a correct guess roy hell no man i never supported that piece of shit bush and damn sure will never suppose this bullshit war. i am however very gald that saddam is dead he was a very sick and twisted bastard. shall we no forget he used mustard gas on the kurds just because he could. i know where you stand larry. it is the others i am curious about. i sorta tagged onto your op. sorta sad that it comes down to liberal conservatives and any other name ya care to use. we are americans who imo find that our leaders have fucked the pooch and now are trying to save face. gerry ford if he had said publicly his feelings when he gave the interview who know what weight it would have carried then. gotta support a policey no matter how flawed. easy to do i guess when ya arent the one being shot at. havent we learned anything from vn some but not enough. vn was aslo won in the papers and not in the field roy. huh i disagree with ya there. vn was won in the field and lost in the papers imo. it simply amazes me how many of you know so much more than the military leaders and so much more than gw. i guess if the military leader and not the pols making the descions id be more comfortable. the facts are that we did go into iraq and that we did topple an evil regime. you can debate it all you want that part is over guys. whether or not wmds were in iraq or not is really just fodder for old guys sitting around their computers showing their intellect. we went we fought and now we have to decide what comes next in this war. you all got a whole lot of ideas about what not to do.............what ideas do you all have about what we should do seeing as you ask. if we are going to keep boots on the ground then disarm the motherfuckers!!! it would seem that every friggin raghead has a ak47 1000 rounds and a couple of rpgs. and they are useing them on our troops. if you get incoming from anywhere you take it out! i dont give a fuck if it is coming from a relgious building a hospital or a friggin school light them the hell up!! ya have to take the restrictions off our troops! screw public opinion it is our people that are being killed. turn them loose. some of you would have us crawl back home and just leave all the problems to the next generation to solve. i dont know maybe thats not a bad idea. maybe they would be more willing to do what needs to be done than the baby boomers. the fabric of this country has changed i think and not for the better. you live in a global fucking world. you cant ignore the middle east. you want to whine about the death now...........where were you when the iraq regime was murdering its woman children and civilians and they were calling for help those deaths were ok those deaths pale when you look at cambodia hell pick a country in africa. we whave been turning our heads the other way for years. .

From : budd cochran

dent the pipe slightly it wont hurt flow that much unless you pound the pipe too flat then wrap the starter with a gm style insulation wrap. budd i installed a set of hedman headers on my 86 5.9l. problem is that there is practically no clearance between the 90 degree corner edge of the front of the starter and one of the header pipes. i could probably squeeze a 1/32 in shield in there but that wouldnt do good for long not to mention the potential for heat to the starter corrosion dis-similar metals if a shield is used etc.... i have to believe that eventually a hole will produce there as it will surely contact to some degree when i am off-road i have the oem starter. anybody know if there is an after market starter or where i could look that would fit my engine that is even 1/2 inch shorter any other ideas short of modifying the header itself are greatly appreciated. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

uh ill put it this way for personal and financial reasons. we love the truck but it has to go. craig what do ya want to know its a loaded liberty crd they only come in the sport package and with the 4wd. its got just about any option you can think of putting in it and has 15000 miles on it. runs like a champ. anything else you want to know -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. on dec 31 1136 am max dodge max...@verizon.net wrote any particular reason for the sale errr ... provided there is nothing wrong with it ... tell me more. my lady needs something new ... craig c. .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote sorry call it nit-picking or whatever but there is a huge difference between having plans and/or infrastructure and being in a production state or actually having them. i have the plans and infrastructure for building bombs but that does not mean i have them. while that is true the report gave clear indications that saddam was very capable of carrying out his plans and showed what he had already achieved in his goals. the report showed that the current methods by the un and usa were not successful in keeping him from achieving his desired goals. he was fast at work. .

From : miles

geekboy wrote it sure is and bush has sold us out! while i dont agree with bushs tactics either sold out isnt a term thats applicable to him. that term is better applied to clinton who very much did sell this country out to the likes of nk china etc. if bush has sold this country out then who is the buyer that is thanking him .

From : Annonymous

max dodge wrote its my firm belief that weapons did exist. according to what you quote elsewhere the iraq report which one there existed only the systems to produce these weapons. further the question then comes as to why we negotiate with nk/kji but we invade iraq. the un found weapons and tagged and put seals on them. when they returned the seals were broken and the weapons gone. saddams weapons declaration to the un made no mention of them nor what happened to them. the report does not dispute this. it only states no evidence of weapons were currently found but it does mention there are known weapons missing and unaccounted for. .

From : budd cochran

another method is to use a sheetmetal shield attached such that theres an air-gap between the the header pipe and starter. copper or aluminum will have the best heat-dissipating characteristics thermal resistance. your home improvement box store should have something in the hvac aisle. bryan budd cochran wrote dent the pipe slightly it wont hurt flow that much unless you pound the pipe too flat then wrap the starter with a gm style insulation wrap. budd redhornet wrote i installed a set of hedman headers on my 86 5.9l. problem is that there is practically no clearance between the 90 degree corner edge of the front of the starter and one of the header pipes. i could probably squeeze a 1/32 in shield in there but that wouldnt do good for long not to mention the potential for heat to the starter corrosion dis-similar metals if a shield is used etc.... i have to believe that eventually a hole will produce there as it will surely contact to some degree when i am off-road i have the oem starter. anybody know if there is an after market starter or where i could look that would fit my engine that is even 1/2 inch shorter any other ideas short of modifying the header itself are greatly appreciated. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

roy wrote well miles which comes first the additional troops or a plan id like to think a clear plan comes first. however that plan should not be made public for your pre-approval. .

From : max dodge

on sun 31 dec 2006 150234 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote at 1159pm est saddam hussein was hung to death!!!!!!!!! so i guess those of you that think that gw is and has been doing the right thing in the desert support his idea of sending 20000 to 30000 more troops in. would that be a correct guess roy hell no man i never supported that piece of shit bush and damn sure will never suppose this bullshit war. i am however very gald that saddam is dead he was a very sick and twisted bastard. shall we no forget he used mustard gas on the kurds just because he could. i know where you stand larry. it is the others i am curious about. i sorta tagged onto your op. sorta sad that it comes down to liberal conservatives and any other name ya care to use. we are americans who imo find that our leaders have fucked the pooch and now are trying to save face. gerry ford if he had said publicly his feelings when he gave the interview who know what weight it would have carried then. gotta support a policey no matter how flawed. easy to do i guess when ya arent the one being shot at. havent we learned anything from vn some but not enough. vn was aslo won in the papers and not in the field roy. it simply amazes me how many of you know so much more than the military leaders and so much more than gw. the facts are that we did go into iraq and that we did topple an evil regime. you can debate it all you want that part is over guys. whether or not wmds were in iraq or not is really just fodder for old guys sitting around their computers showing their intellect. we went we fought and now we have to decide what comes next in this war. you all got a whole lot of ideas about what not to do.............what ideas do you all have about what we should do some of you would have us crawl back home and just leave all the problems to the next generation to solve. i dont know maybe thats not a bad idea. maybe they would be more willing to do what needs to be done than the baby boomers. the fabric of this country has changed i think and not for the better. you live in a global fucking world. you cant ignore the middle east. you want to whine about the death now...........where were you when the iraq regime was murdering its woman children and civilians and they were calling for help those deaths were ok roy roy .

From : max dodge

i thought i was in your killfile . . . aw mike ya know facts and truth arent important to the liberals. depends on what liberal is doing the talking. not really. the liberal agenda is a religion humanism and some follow it more closely . . . more devotedly if you prefer than others but its the same set of lies. they feed on rumor lies and unproven theories. it certainly wont matter that most if not all the information that g.w. had to work with was from clintons administration. actually its been widely known for some time now that bush ignored the clinton administration advisors on this issue. advisors yes but the evidence scott evidence is what i speak of. it doesnt matter that the reason were short of military staff is because of the base closings and personel reductions by the liberal congress. except the liberal congress was gone in 1992 and the new version of that congress hasnt convened yet. which administration ordered all the closings some slated for after the administration change it dont matter that they lied to the us citizenry to get the majoritry in the congress back. wait how can a liberal congress get the majority back duh!!! they lied to get their seats back so as to regain the majority of power. all that matter to liberals is how they can ruin a good country and profit from the destruction by getting the government to take care of them from womb if theyre not aborted to grave. all i have to say to the above is halliburton. all i have to say ive said. and that i am fascinated by the rabid bullshit that both extreme left and extreme right can come up with. therein lies the real problem with this country. and im fascinated you think that at all. werent you one of those screaming about accepting diversity i have the right to think as i wish like you and you have the right to be wrong like i have been at times. this aint one of them. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

max dodge wrote that one is subject to debate. i find the fact that colin powell has spoken out on the issue in the derogatory very condemning. still no concrete facts exist either way primarily because the reports claiming their existance have been called into question. its my firm belief that weapons did exist. we know he made them and used them. we also know the inspectors found them and sealed the buildings of those that were not destroyed. when they returned the seals were broken and the weapons gone. in the un demanded declaration of all weapons whereabouts saddam made no mention at all of these known and missing weapons. when pressed he said they were destroyed but gave no evidence of such. saddam had more than enough time to move and hide any weapons. the country is the size of california. pretty easy to hide weapons that would be very tough to search every square mile to find a needle in a haystack. to me its not a question of if wmds existed. its a question of what saddam did with them. i leave this one thought in defense of the events leading to iraq i find in my studies of history that presidents often knew more than they could disclose to the public. however questions still abound. thats the way it has been and should be. the public should not know many details because a war thats made public is a war thats lost before it begins. we cant disclose details publicly to our enemies nor can a war be fought with millions of arm chair generals. .

From : miles

its my firm belief that weapons did exist. according to what you quote elsewhere the iraq report which one there existed only the systems to produce these weapons. further the question then comes as to why we negotiate with nk/kji but we invade iraq. plainly something was going on in iraq. proof abounds to the atrocities of hussein and we know of specific instances where he anihilated mass numbers of people without real cause. however does this warrant an invasion force i have my doubts particularly given our air superiority. i also have to question the exit strategy as its been called merely because we now have an instable government and an obvious power vacuum. this leads to a further question in the quest to eliminate a threat have we allowed a larger threat to take its place i in no way find bush culpable for any deaths but it seems to me that a better idea could have been the basis for dealing with the problems presented by iraq and saddam hussein. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max dodge wrote that one is subject to debate. i find the fact that colin powell has spoken out on the issue in the derogatory very condemning. still no concrete facts exist either way primarily because the reports claiming their existance have been called into question. its my firm belief that weapons did exist. we know he made them and used them. we also know the inspectors found them and sealed the buildings of those that were not destroyed. when they returned the seals were broken and the weapons gone. in the un demanded declaration of all weapons whereabouts saddam made no mention at all of these known and missing weapons. when pressed he said they were destroyed but gave no evidence of such. saddam had more than enough time to move and hide any weapons. the country is the size of california. pretty easy to hide weapons that would be very tough to search every square mile to find a needle in a haystack. to me its not a question of if wmds existed. its a question of what saddam did with them. i leave this one thought in defense of the events leading to iraq i find in my studies of history that presidents often knew more than they could disclose to the public. however questions still abound. thats the way it has been and should be. the public should not know many details because a war thats made public is a war thats lost before it begins. we cant disclose details publicly to our enemies nor can a war be fought with millions of arm chair generals. .

From : max dodge

snip besides it does not matter what democrats/liberals/rednecks/whomever say ... the buck stops at the presidents desk. that means that it is his repsonsilbility to verify intelligence and sources before committing troops. snip craig c. damn craig sounds like you are working up to a myocardial infarction. keep it up... fmb north mexico .

From : max dodge

roy wrote so i guess those of you that think that gw is and has been doing the right thing in the desert support his idea of sending 20000 to 30000 more troops in. would that be a correct guess we probably do need more troops at least for a time. but the bigger problem is a lack of clear plans of exactly what to do with the troops that are there as well as how to deploy any new troops. well miles which comes first the additional troops or a plan roy .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote umm mike ihave to ask where you are going with this ok so to flat out say this statement is a lie might be a stretch however the un and others stated on repeated occassion that there was no evidence to be found to indicated any wmd or wmd production. the iraqi report did state that saddam had very clear and well written plans for development of such weapons. he had the infrastructure in place to start such production. his first goal was to get the sanctions lifted and he was well under way on doing so with several countries already in bed with him by violating the un orders. .

From : miles

mike simmons wrote a lie are you absolutely sure you want to go there make absolutely sure! you still have an opportunity to save face and not be shown as a fool. the choice is yours. few liberals have ever read the iraqi report except for the single line quoted from in by the press that iraq has no wmds. they have never read the rest of it as to what saddam was doing. .

From : azwiley1

craig c. wrote it wasnt meant as an exact quote that why i indicated that is what comes to my mind. i thought so! typical liberal bs. we have sources that tell us that saddam hussein recently authorized iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have. the iraqi report the one you liberals love to talk about because it said no wmds clearly stated saddam did make such an authorization and had plans in action for re-development and deployment of such weapons. the iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. it is seeking nuclear weapons. the iraqi report stated saddam had well developed plans and was progressing towards creation of nuclear weapons among other wmds. we know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents including mustard gas sarin nerve gas vx nerve gas. saddam did produce and use such weapons on his own people. weve also discovered through intelligence that iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. the iraqi report did confirm saddams programs for such vehicles. several unmanned craft were found. whats your point were concerned that iraq is exploring ways of using these uavs for missions targeting the united states. id be concerned too. the evidence indicates that iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. saddam hussein has held numerous meetings with iraqi nuclear scientists a group he calls his nuclear mujahideen the iraqi report confirms this. saddam did have a well defined plan for creating nuclear weapons. mikes question was to cite lies of the bush administration you gave opinions. your opinions. you have not given actual quotes to back up your opinions. you gave quotes that you believe support your twisted interpretations and ignore anything that goes against such beliefs. both sides do this. one side desperately wants to make bush a hero the other a villian. for me the jury is still out. complete bull. a jury is is not opinionated on one side as you so clearly are. go to your nearest book store and pick up a copy of the iraqi report. yes the report that stated no wmds. then read what it did say about saddams clear plans goals and what he had done so far to work towards them. reading a few headlines that only mention one side of the story is a liberal trait you clearly have. .

From : roy

.net magazine article march/1998 britains .net magazine featured my website on page 17 of their march 1998 issue number 42. they quote from the faq pages and also include some details of the evidence i have tried to present on my website. the age of some of the material on the website shows in this review which says the case has been discussed in uk.* groups during the past year. at this time march 1998 it has been discussed on uk.misc for three years and there are still occasional traces of the discussion going on. 218 -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : max dodge

aw mike ya know facts and truth arent important to the liberals. depends on what liberal is doing the talking. they feed on rumor lies and unproven theories. it certainly wont matter that most if not all the information that g.w. had to work with was from clintons administration. actually its been widely known for some time now that bush ignored the clinton administration advisors on this issue. it doesnt matter that the reason were short of military staff is because of the base closings and personel reductions by the liberal congress. except the liberal congress was gone in 1992 and the new version of that congress hasnt convened yet. it dont matter that they lied to the us citizenry to get the majoritry in the congress back. wait how can a liberal congress get the majority back all that matter to liberals is how they can ruin a good country and profit from the destruction by getting the government to take care of them from womb if theyre not aborted to grave. all i have to say to the above is halliburton. and that i am fascinated by the rabid bullshit that both extreme left and extreme right can come up with. therein lies the real problem with this country. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author bush and his administration lied to the american people and our representatives to get support for the invasion of iraq. i am sooo damned tired of hearing this leftist bullshit. exactly how did bush and his admisnistration lie please cite an example of this lie. until you can do so please remain silent on what you know nothing about our invasion of iraq had nothing to do with threats to the us or the war on terror. more leftist clap-trap aw mike ya know facts and truth arent important to the liberals. they feed on rumor lies and unproven theories. it certainly wont matter that most if not all the information that g.w. had to work with was from clintons administration. it doesnt matter that the reason were short of military staff is because of the base closings and personel reductions by the liberal congress. it dont matter that they lied to the us citizenry to get the majoritry in the congress back. all that matter to liberals is how they can ruin a good country and profit from the destruction by getting the government to take care of them from womb if theyre not aborted to grave. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : max dodge

if we can hang a man for ordering the death of hundreds of the innocent how can we call a man president that has ordered the killing of thousands find that direct order as they have with saddam and im all for discussing bushs demise for that order. but you wont find an order like that because there isnt one. when you have some actual facts youll see that things arent just liberal bullshit. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. true probably because that charge was the easiest to prosecute. there are other trials still going forward if we can hang a man for ordering the death of hundreds of the innocent how can we call a man president that has ordered the killing of thousands http//timesonline.typepad.com/insideiraqweblog/2006/11/saddamsothert.html november 07 2006 saddam hussein appeared in court once more tuesday. this time it was over his regimes 1988 military offensive against the kurds. the anfal spoils of war campaign claimed up to 180000 lives. probably he will be executed before that case ends over the just-concluded dujail trial which found saddam guilty for crimes against humanity. most followers of international criminal law consider the anfal case far more significant because it deals with allegations of genocide while dujail deals with a crackdown that followed an attempt on saddams life. .

From : miles

and the minds of all that are not way out in right field. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on dec 31 552 am mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote i am sooo damned tired of hearing this leftist bullshit. exactly how did bush and his admisnistration lie please cite an example of this lie. until you can do so please remain silent on what you know nothing about 1 iraq has and is developing weapons of mass destruction. -proved a lie 2 iraq is aiding and and giving safe haven to al quada. -proved a lie 3 iraq is a threat to our freedom. -rediculous lie. thats what comes to my mind. craig c. .

From : miles

bill dunkinfield wrote if we can hang a man for ordering the death of hundreds of the innocent how can we call a man president that has ordered the killing of thousands here you go again making an absurd comparison devoid of fact. bush has not directly ordered the deaths of anyone. hussein most certainly did directly order the deaths of 1000s. he was fully aware of who would die. he directly ordered the complete destruction of entire neighborhoods and the killing of all its inhabitants. .

From : napalmheart

despite what you may want to believe bush isnt responsible for all civilian deaths. oh really and who exactly is did we have some military coo that i am unaware of where they decided to invade iraq on their own. that would be coup. last i checked we are fighting the enemy which means they are 50% responsible for any collateral damage in a conflict. thus bush is not responsible for all civilian deaths. thats what makes a liberal viewpoint so lacking in credibility; you forget that to have a war there must be an other side. in this case the reason we are losing in iraq is bewcause we not they care about the collateral damage and try to keep it to a minimum. nor is our military. on this point we agree as they were only doing what they were order to do and btw who is their commander and chief see above. you liberals forget glaring facts like the ones mentioned above. as part of our military one accepts the risk of being killed in the line of duty as such bush is not responsible for those deaths either. more complete horse shit. while it is true that one accepts being killed in the line of duty when part of the military it is still the responsibility of the commander and chief not to put them in harms way for no good reason and that is exactly what he has done!!! wrong. anything that happens in the field follows a chain of command from the field to the oval office. one of the stops near the top was rumsfelds office. but the commanders in the field are responsible for following training and good tactical decisions. thus the responsibility for military deaths in the field lays at the feet of the enemy and the commanders of those that died. were there a way to pin the deaths on bush id certainly admit it and agree with you. no you wouldnt. he started this war and did it for no valid reason and that makes him completely responsible. i certainly would. i refer you to my comments prior to this stupid use of u.s. forces wherein i said that iraq was a bad idea and that n. korea would present more of a danger to the world. certainly with your experience digging in ng archives you should be able to come up with my comments to that issue. bush may have started this war for no valid reason but that only makes him responsible for policy and overall action not every individual death on the field. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author over 50000 civilian deaths in the iraq war and occupation. the lives of early 3000 of our own military personal. despite what you may want to believe bush isnt responsible for all civilian deaths. oh really and who exactly is did we have some military coo that i am unaware of where they decided to invade iraq on their own. nor is our military. on this point we agree as they were only doing what they were order to do and btw who is their commander and chief as part of our military one accepts the risk of being killed in the line of duty as such bush is not responsible for those deaths either. more complete horse shit. while it is true that one accepts being killed in the line of duty when part of the military it is still the responsibility of the commander and chief not to put them in harms way for no good reason and that is exactly what he has done!!! thats the facts like it or not. as twisted by your absurd logic. were there a way to pin the deaths on bush id certainly admit it and agree with you. no you wouldnt. he started this war and did it for no valid reason and that makes him completely responsible. but you are wrong. no max but you are. saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. yup and if bush had killed 150 of our civilians in the u.s. simply because they are not of the same faith/ancestry as he was and he did it by using torture methods and a secret police force then maybe bush would be equivalent to hussein. is that really why he did it while it is true that bush is not the same as hussein he is still every bit responsible for the deaths over there both iraqi and ours. until then you are way off base. not really all that much. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

on dec 31 1039 am miles n...@nopers.com wrote craig c. wrote 1 iraq has and is developing weapons of mass destruction. -proved a lie please state the exact date that bush said this exact quote. it wasnt meant as an exact quote that why i indicated that is what comes to my mind. but since youre too thick to understand my intent and need exact quotes heres a few we have sources that tell us that saddam hussein recently authorized iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have. radio address october 5 2002 the iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. it is seeking nuclear weapons. we know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents including mustard gas sarin nerve gas vx nerve gas. weve also discovered through intelligence that iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. were concerned that iraq is exploring ways of using these uavs for missions targeting the united states. the evidence indicates that iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. saddam hussein has held numerous meetings with iraqi nuclear scientists a group he calls his nuclear mujahideen - his nuclear holy warriors. satellite photographs reveal that iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons. cincinnati ohio speech october 7 2002 furthermore the democrats had been saying the exact same thing and you liberal scum never had a problem with anything they said. shut up you fucking nazi prick. mike asked for examples of lies thats what i gave. besides it does not matter what democrats/liberals/rednecks/whomever say ... the buck stops at the presidents desk. that means that it is his repsonsilbility to verify intelligence and sources before committing troops. he didnt do that. 2 iraq is aiding and and giving safe haven to al quada. -proved a lie bull. again please state the exact date bush made this statement. mikes question was to cite lies of the bush administration i think theres overwhelming evidence there was a connection between al qaeda and the iraqi government -dick cheney in reality bush made the public statement that there was no direct connection. only after the official report stating that there was no connection. up to that point he and his administration held on and perpetrated a false belief to the public. liberals have no interest in what was actually said. i cant speak for liberals anymore than i can speak for nazi republicans. however *i* want the deaths of our soldiers to be for *something* rather than a pack of lies and media spin. therefore they and we deserve the truth. the truth is many of the reasons we were told that we should invade iraq are nothing but lies. they make up their own quotes to suit their political bias and hatred. both sides do this. one side desperately wants to make bush a hero the other a villian. for me the jury is still out. craig c. .

From : miles

if that is the case then i would return the tensioner and claim it to be defective or better yet bring the vehicle to the dealer where you bought the tensioner and show them. most dealers that i have dealt with are pretty good about that and will get you another one because that squeal is not normal. btw how old is that belt i bought the replacement parts at a local parts store. the replacement of the belt wasnt recorded in the repair log that i keep oops!. by visual inspection it shows no real wear. ill see about switching to a gatorback soon. i do have to go back to the following that i posted before. the noise isnt consistent as it comes and goes. its the pulley that is on the tensioner thats squealing. when i sprayed some lube at the pulley mounting bolt the noise abated for a short time. ken .

From : tom lawrence

i bought a 2002 dodge ram with a 5.9l engine. i do not have an owners manual. could someone please... look in their owners manual and tell me what the recommended oil is for this truck thanks a lot .

From : miles

my 88 dakota had a reset button under dash to turn it off. they come on about every 60000 mi. its a plastic box with a hole in it. use a paper clip strightened out. my maintenance required light will not go off. every thing is ok wiht my truck. its a 1988 dodge d250 3/4 ton fuel injected 318. please if you know any way of resetting it let me know! .

From : roy

as part of our military one accepts the risk of being killed in the line of duty as such bush is not responsible for those deaths either. more complete horse shit. while it is true that one accepts being killed in the line of duty when part of the military it is still the responsibility of the commander and chief not to put them in harms way for no good reason and that is exactly what he has done!!! ah yes since you have never been in the military you dont know squat about what it means to be in the military. it means choosing to to do whatever it takes to keep your fellow citizens free including citizens of the world. choosing to lay your life on the line so others can express their leftist/liberal/commie viewpoints equally with expressed conservative viewpoints. choosing to die for what is right not what is politically correct. choosing to refuse to follow illegal orders over doing what is wrong. choosing to fight for those that cannot defend or free themselves. some of the most respected and recognized heros of ww-ii korea and vietnam were draftees yet they chose to do what needed to be done. i chose to serve my country and my fellow citizens you chose not to as far as we know yet you think you know what its all about. walk 20 miles in my combat boots with full pack keep your head down in the mud in an infiltration course because of the live rounds flying over your head do 10000 push-ups because the ai doesnt like your nose before you think you know it all about the military. i wont ask you to face combat you couldnt handle it. ya know the bible predicts there will be world-wide peace ... after armageddon after the old world is destroyed and after the new jerusalem is built. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : mike simmons

tom lawrence wrote i bought a 2002 dodge ram with a 5.9l engine. i do not have an owners manual. could someone please... look in their owners manual and tell me what the recommended oil is for this truck 10w30 unless youre in below-zero temps then 5w30 unless its the 6 cylinder 5.9l. ;^ -- ken .

From : max dodge

why would he want to install a 5.9 mechanically should be a piece of cake. the computer & yes the flywheel is different! the crank trigger is driven off the flywheel it can be made smog legal since the dak was offered with the v-8 as they have said get as much as you can off the donor truck .

From : dale yonz

dusty wrote i recently had my windshield replaced in my 2004 dodge ram 1500 and no matter what we do it still leaks water around the bolt covers on the handles on each side of the windshield. i have been back to the installer 4 times already. they have sealed the windshield both inside and out and pressure tested checked the seals around the windshield and they cant seem to find the source of the water. spraying a water hose on the truck doesnt cause it to leak. then everytime it sits still and it rains for a while it starts leaking again. i just took the interior pieces out while it was leaking from the rain and i cant see any water coming out. tried pouring more water on it and still no water is visibly leaking. has anyone else had the same problem or any suggestions this might help http//dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/23-003-04.htm -- ken .

From : bill dunkinfield

max dodge wrote over 50000 civilian deaths in the iraq war and occupation. the lives of early 3000 of our own military personal. despite what you may want to believe bush isnt responsible for all civilian deaths. nor is our military. as part of our military one accepts the risk of being killed in the line of duty as such bush is not responsible for those deaths either. thats the facts like it or not. were there a way to pin the deaths on bush id certainly admit it and agree with you. but you are wrong. saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. yup and if bush had killed 150 of our civilians in the u.s. simply because they are not of the same faith/ancestry as he was and he did it by using torture methods and a secret police force then maybe bush would be equivalent to hussein. until then you are way off base. -- max bush and his administration lied to the american people and our representatives to get support for the invasion of iraq. i am sooo damned tired of hearing this leftist bullshit. exactly how did bush and his admisnistration lie please cite an example of this lie. until you can do so please remain silent on what you know nothing about our invasion of iraq had nothing to do with threats to the us or the war on terror. more leftist clap-trap it had nothing to do with freeing the iraq people or establishing a democracy in the middle east. can you give me one reason why our president ordered the death of so many innocent people jam .

From : tbone

nope@nopers.com wrote bill dunkinfield wrote over 50000 civilian deaths in the iraq war and occupation. the lives of early 3000 of our own military personal. saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. for directly ordering the deaths of those people along with 10s of 1000s of others. they were not just casualties of misguided operations. he ordered their elimination. didnt he also got his brother in law or some other kind of family member executed .

From : bill dunkinfield

max dodge wrote over 50000 civilian deaths in the iraq war and occupation. the lives of early 3000 of our own military personal. despite what you may want to believe bush isnt responsible for all civilian deaths. nor is our military. as part of our military one accepts the risk of being killed in the line of duty as such bush is not responsible for those deaths either. thats the facts like it or not. were there a way to pin the deaths on bush id certainly admit it and agree with you. but you are wrong. saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. yup and if bush had killed 150 of our civilians in the u.s. simply because they are not of the same faith/ancestry as he was and he did it by using torture methods and a secret police force then maybe bush would be equivalent to hussein. until then you are way off base. -- max bush and his administration lied to the american people and our representatives to get support for the invasion of iraq. our invasion of iraq had nothing to do with threats to the us or the war on terror. it had nothing to do with freeing the iraq people or establishing a democracy in the middle east. can you give me one reason why our president ordered the death of so many innocent people jam .

From : bill dunkinfield

saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. true probably because that charge was the easiest to prosecute. there are other trials still going forward if we can hang a man for ordering the death of hundreds of the innocent how can we call a man president that has ordered the killing of thousands http//timesonline.typepad.com/insideiraqweblog/2006/11/saddamsothert.html november 07 2006 saddam hussein appeared in court once more tuesday. this time it was over his regimes 1988 military offensive against the kurds. the anfal spoils of war campaign claimed up to 180000 lives. probably he will be executed before that case ends over the just-concluded dujail trial which found saddam guilty for crimes against humanity. most followers of international criminal law consider the anfal case far more significant because it deals with allegations of genocide while dujail deals with a crackdown that followed an attempt on saddams life. .

From : bill dunkinfield

over 50000 civilian deaths in the iraq war and occupation. the lives of early 3000 of our own military personal. despite what you may want to believe bush isnt responsible for all civilian deaths. oh really and who exactly is did we have some military coo that i am unaware of where they decided to invade iraq on their own. nor is our military. on this point we agree as they were only doing what they were order to do and btw who is their commander and chief as part of our military one accepts the risk of being killed in the line of duty as such bush is not responsible for those deaths either. more complete horse shit. while it is true that one accepts being killed in the line of duty when part of the military it is still the responsibility of the commander and chief not to put them in harms way for no good reason and that is exactly what he has done!!! thats the facts like it or not. as twisted by your absurd logic. were there a way to pin the deaths on bush id certainly admit it and agree with you. no you wouldnt. he started this war and did it for no valid reason and that makes him completely responsible. but you are wrong. no max but you are. saddam was hanged for killing around 150 people. yup and if bush had killed 150 of our civilians in the u.s. simply because they are not of the same faith/ancestry as he was and he did it by using torture methods and a secret police force then maybe bush would be equivalent to hussein. is that really why he did it while it is true that bush is not the same as hussein he is still every bit responsible for the deaths over there both iraqi and ours. until then you are way off base. not really all that much. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : idaspode

i recently had my windshield replaced in my 2004 dodge ram 1500 and no matter what we do it still leaks water around the bolt covers on the handles on each side of the windshield. i have been back to the installer 4 times already. they have sealed the windshield both inside and out and pressure tested checked the seals around the windshield and they cant seem to find the source of the water. spraying a water hose on the truck doesnt cause it to leak. then everytime it sits still and it rains for a while it starts leaking again. i just took the interior pieces out while it was leaking from the rain and i cant see any water coming out. tried pouring more water on it and still no water is visibly leaking. has anyone else had the same problem or any suggestions had the same problem with a new 2001 durango...after 4 liners were put in and a new windshield it was finally discovered that the spot welds above the windshield were leaking. had a lemon lawyer waiting but the dealer replaced the car without it going into litigation. .

From : bill dunkinfield

tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net says... does any one have idea what this stuff is. according to the dealership they claim this is normal and it is only this year and type of engine that does this. i have never seen this kind of crap on and in the oil fill pipe. it is normal for that engine i assume you have the 4.7l v8. its condensation thats making its way up the fill tube mixing with the residual oil and creating that gook. my 2003 ram with a hemi has this weird reddish paint inside the oil cap. i thought the dealer was bsing me when he said they all have it they really do! he opened up three trucks in the service write up and all of them had at least some of it inside the cap. i havent caught the dealer in a lie yet. amazing. bdk .

From : Annonymous

beekeep wrote on fri 29 dec 2006 215836 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote at 1159pm est saddam hussein was hung to death!!!!!!!!! way to go - kill the one man that knew how to run the country. makes sense to me. beekeep great ! when will the mass murder george w. bush go on trial jam .

From : beekeep

how about a govenment grant hmmm. i thought conservatives were all against government handouts. yet here you are suggesting the government give you one. interesting. george i think you missed the sarcasm. ken .

From : fmb

azwiley1 wrote what are you talking about miles i did answer the question to the best of my knowledge. however following your statement you didnt either as you have not provided the op any information about how to get the video signal from the rear screen/dvd player. anyway not to nit pick there is no simple this is how you do it answer to this. i have provided the best technical answer that i have avail from years of experience in that field. each set up is different there is no certainty that you will even have the same units in two similar vehicles as the vendor for the dvd/screen units may not be the same. op i am sorry if you think that anyone here has not tried to help but simply put again what you are trying to do is not simple or straight forward and there is no unplug wire a plug in adaptor b etc... answer to this. there is such a fairly simple solution albeit expensive. i have seen it done several times. the mopar ves dvd unit has a video output that can be tapped with a simple rca jack and 2 wires. youre right that models change over the years but the dvd unit in dodge trucks and suvs from 2004-2006 allows for the same mod. here is the company that can adapt the rec unit for video input. http//www.tvandnav2go.com/ ill dig some more about the ves unit video mod. point is it has been done and yes there is instructions out there that do not require you to obtain and study schematics. .

From : miles

i have a certificate signed by al gore. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. since when are you the net nanny -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. stormin mormon cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com wrote in message please dont post photos to a text only group. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . .

From : roy

with castrol the rod knock was quiet until the next oil change. with any other brand the rod knock returned after about three days after an oil change. did that really need explaining -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. on sun 31 dec 2006 201946 -0500 stormin mormon cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com wrote this is likely to start a discussion but im fond of castrol. my last truck was high mileage and had a piston rod knock. castrol was the only oil that quieted the rod knock for more than three days after an oil change. what happend after the third day .

From : budd cochran

sigh. and the politicians act like they dont care. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. in arizona we have ridded many of our rivers of dhmo. a century ago dhmo could be found much of the year in the salt river that runs through phoenix. now it is seen only when holding ponds threaten to overflow and dhmo is released into the salt river. when that happens it makes roads impassable and ruins many shacks. the damage is estimated in the dollars. dirt heavily contaminated with dhmo is scraped off the roads afterward and merely pushed into the ditch beside the road. some of the chemical finds its way into the soil and the rest evaporates to be breathed in by the residents. studies have found the bodies of arizonans - some still living but expected to die within years some already dead - contain large amounts of dhmo. dhmo is found in nearly every arizonan who dies only a few who escaped into the desert are free of the contamination. it is a terrible thing - mike .

From : budd cochran

does it have a lube oil resovior on it if so gears may not be in oil. from another source i found out that it cannot be mouted upside down due to the oil indeed. thanks. -- martijn .

From : tbone

i thought i was in your kill-file!! thinking not your strong point is it personally i dont care whos killfile im in its their choice. resorting to petty insults now i guess that not much else can be expected from someone like you. ah well tit for tat tom. you never have liked receiving insults like you enjoy giving them out. besides you confused a statement of fact based on experience from other discussions with you with an insult. thinking never has been your strong point. as part of our military one accepts the risk of being killed in the line of duty as such bush is not responsible for those deaths either. more complete horse shit. while it is true that one accepts being killed in the line of duty when part of the military it is still the responsibility of the commander and chief not to put them in harms way for no good reason and that is exactly what he has done!!! ah yes since you have never been in the military you dont know squat about what it means to be in the military. lol maybe not but you dont have to jump off of a tall building to know the landing is probably gonna hurt or kill you. apples and idiots tom. military being represented by the apples of course but that comaprison never meant diddly to you anyway. it is a big difference. who is your neighbor tom who would you be willing to lay your life down for exactly what business is it of yours thats the difference between you and a military person or a christian for that matter. you have no one you think more highly of than yourself. my son was just over and he saw the about saddams hanging and said he wished that would stop the terrorism but he knew it wouldnt. anyone with as much as a single functioning brain cell would have known that all killing this man will accomplish is increase the violence. i guess this really does define our leader. no it defines the internal troubles of islam. 28 years old ex-navy and he has a better grasp of world situations than you. wtf are you talking about budd just thinking out loud that a homeschooled youth that served in the military has a better grasp of the world situtation than you or most liberals. it means choosing to to do whatever it takes to keep your fellow citizens free including citizens of the world. really since when to keep our fellow citizens free ill agree with as well as those of our allies but all citizens of the world complete bullshit. ah so you dont think someone being raped and beat to death in india because she is of the untouchables caste hinduism deserves help protection or justice if their ruling caste decides they dont like the usa no you dumb fucking idiot what i said is that it is not our responsibility to police other countries especially if that countries leadership does not request it. now you are back to your normal insulting form. tell me something tom would you want someone step in if you were being mugged im just trying to establish the intensity of your selfishness in case youre wondering. btw the crime happened several times last year in india and the perps will probably get off scott free because the victims were from that lowest of castes.. and it happens every day in this country as well so what exactly is your point oh thats right you dont have one as usual. no the point is the same anywhere it happens its a crime its morally wrong. and yes perps get by with it here also its called plea bargaining or temporary insanity. choosing to lay your life on the line so others can express their leftist/liberal/commie viewpoints equally with expressed conservative viewpoints. oh do you mean right wing nazi conservative view points like yours gawd you are so screwed up!!! hitler you idiot was a liberal. hahahahahahaha what a moron. please show me the liberal doctrine that supports genocide or world domination by force. you really need to look up information on hitler. and since most conservatives including myself according to polls over the last 50 years support the nation of israel and the existence of its people and their lifestyle you just showed how much we are not like the liberals who generally side with the enemies of israel.. lets see some proof of this crap especially the part where the liberals side with the enemies of israel. now i want to see real proof not some distorted crap of where some liberals dont like the way israel is dealing with the palestinians but true siding with the enemies of isreal as in wanting its destruction. do you think israel has a historical right to the lands it now occupies plus the disputed areas choosing to die for what is right not what is politically correct. which is exactly the opposit of what is happening to our troops now or did the right wing politically correct cut and run excuse to keep getting them injured and kill

From : tbone

dont buy into the oh poor me budd victims bullshit. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving budd ill ask once and only once. is it really beyond your ability to stay out of arguments i mean shoot youve been posting again for what a week and already you tbone and roy are into it err so to speak. seriously dude if they annoy you like you say or they attack as you so im not going to get into the debate about what i see going on with anyone then why do you engage them in these arguments why not turn the other cheek my sincere hope is that you will seriously think about it. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : tom lawrence

the dixie bitches used the same old bs that their freedom of speech was being infringed upon by people who disagreed with them. fact is people can say what they want and that goes for those that disagree with them as well. so.... budds a dixie chick .

From : tbone

perryneheum@hotmail.com wrote drugs booze speed teens jerks macho men bikers other fools these substances and people types -- in various combinations -- kill 44000 of u.s. citizens a year. its been like this for decades. but nothing substantive is ever done to reduce this carnage. because nobody cares. why people care about certain deaths and not others is probably a good topic for a phd thesis. its interesting to notice the denial in many of the responses to this post its always the other guy that causing all the problems not me....ha i suppose if they put pictures of the 120 or so people who die everyday on the highways on the everynight things might change but more then likely people would simply stop watching that station and go into denial mode... that is so much easier then solving this difficult problem. .