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From : roy

Q: transurgeon wrote saying that 3 is 50% more than 2 is imprecise instead say that 3 is fifty percent larger than 2 and yes 3 % is 1 % more than 2 % more than indicates that all numbers in a statement are in the same units; subtraction in other words larger than indicates that a comparison has been made; usually by way of a ratio i can live with that. wholly shit we agree on something! or shoud that be we agree about something holy f*ing shit ! how about we agree amongst ourselves about something now...........................can you explain the concept to bonehead yawn... i understand the concept and never said that it was mathematically wrong. what i said was that it was fuzzy math theres nothing fuzzy about 3% / 2% = 150% lol sure it is. no its not the math is not at all fuzzy dig out that 5th grade arithmetic book and study a bit .

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From : roy

tbone wrote who said that everyone had to do that the point is that although the sales of large suvs have dropped by about 25% there are still a hell of a lot of them being bought by people that simply dont need them and all they are doing is adding to the problem. so you want them to go buy a hybrid because you feel they dont need an suv. name one of your great japanese hybrids that you tout that can do what an suv can. back to that lame justification again. who said that you had to buy a new hybrid. there are plenty of used economy cars out there that you could buy as a third car for a few thousand. oh please. a used 3rd car will not save me anywheres near enough when you add up costs including cost of car insurance etc. where do i park it most homes here dont allow parking a car on the street etc. oh i know buy a bigger home with a 3 car garage to save the world. my third car is a 240sx and it gets about 10 mpg more than my truck and costs about $600 a year to insure. then you live in a very cheap neighborhood or your 240sx is worthless. $600 will barely get liability only. the money it saves me more than pays for its insurance and i still have my truck when i need it and an extra car if one of the other ones needs to be repaired. to me thats a win win win. it doesnt save enough to pay for the car plus insurance. not unless its a clunker. no they do not. they will not even start taking orders for it until the end of may with production not to begin until this summer. and on top of all that you are buing a prototype untested vehicle. as usual the american car builders are late to the party. the ford escape will be the first hybrid suv. which japanese company is producing a hybrid suv prototype same as any other new car including the japanese hybrids. compact hybrids serve little purpose. suv and truck hybrids make far more sense. they replace the very vehicles you say are the problem. there is a big difference between expects and delivers. like i said until it happens it means nothing. the silverado hybrids are being delivered. besides whats your point your japanese friends arent producing hybrid trucks. they are behind the american companies on suv hybrids. toyota hopes to have a highlander hybrid out late this year. and where is the infrastructure for the pure hydrogen that they need. the answer is that it simply doesnt exist. thats where the future is. didnt you tell me we need to be looking towards the future now you have a problem with an american company that is spending over a billion $s towards technology to do just that. go figure. yea this sounds much better than the current hybrids. are you trying to say hybrids are the technology of the future here today good grief are you naive. once again you are wrong. when driven properly they are capable of significant fuel savings not enough to solve any problems. their cost to the consumer resources used to build and short life span do not equate to saving the world. with modern battery technology they are rated for 8 years and 100000 miles. not too bad for a fairly new technology. these batteries can also be recycled. how many 8 year old 100000 mile hybrids are on the road how many of those gm electrics lasted 100000 miles on their batteries which were of the same technology. gm had those out long before any japanese electric bty. no but neither will increasing the supply of oil. in fact increasing the oil available will simply make the problem worse. use of oil in general and foreign dependency on oil are two seperate issues. you are not. all you want to do is increase the oil supply which is the root ocause of our problem to begin with. no i dont. i want to use our own oil instead of foreign. at the same time i want to develop newer energy sources as well as making vehicles more efficient. you only look at one side. i look at both even though you choose to argue about it. better than yours. you clainm to see the need to develop alternative fuels and then want to do the one thing that will without doubt kill any motivation to get it done. yea your plan is much better. ya thats why us companies are spending millions on such future development while the japanese are building hybrids. thought you said future development is whats needed but you tout only these hybrids which are not the technology of the future. they dont know and that is where the fear comes from. if it turns out not to be where they hope that it is they are going to push to continue to drill in other areas and once they start it is damn near impossible to stop them. oh too funny tbone! so you think its just a guess that oil might be in alaska sorry tbone they did whats called exploratory drilling years ago in that area. true they dont know the full extent but they have some knowledge. thats what explorato

From : langerhans

tbone wrote absurd not at all just against your way of thinking. tell me miles what mileage do your current vehicles get no your logic is absurd. society can not afford to go out buying new cars that wont come close to saving enough to make it worthwhile. make a sacrifice to save the world sounds great do most people have the money to go out and buy a new hybrid who said that everyone had to do that the point is that although the sales of large suvs have dropped by about 25% there are still a hell of a lot of them being bought by people that simply dont need them and all they are doing is adding to the problem. current hybrids range in mpg hwy from 37 honda accord to 51 toyota prius. how long to pay for itself to make it worthwhile to give up my truck that i drive 15000/yr at 18mpg back to that lame justification again. who said that you had to buy a new hybrid. there are plenty of used economy cars out there that you could buy as a third car for a few thousand. my third car is a 240sx and it gets about 10 mpg more than my truck and costs about $600 a year to insure. the money it saves me more than pays for its insurance and i still have my truck when i need it and an extra car if one of the other ones needs to be repaired. to me thats a win win win. lol if they were working on them for over a year where are they you dont look very hard to you ford has the escape hybrid out. no they do not. they will not even start taking orders for it until the end of may with production not to begin until this summer. and on top of all that you are buing a prototype untested vehicle. as usual the american car builders are late to the party. chevy has hybrid versions of the silverado and gmc sierra pickups available to commercial customers and expects consumer versions later this year. there is a big difference between expects and delivers. like i said until it happens it means nothing. gm has committed to spending over $1 billion to get hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles ready for production. spending money on developing fuel cell vehicles makes far more sense than hybrids. and where is the infrastructure for the pure hydrogen that they need. the answer is that it simply doesnt exist. now you could use a hydrogen rich fuel such as gas but then you need to pass it through a reformer to get the hydrogen and that significantly increases the cost complexity and pollution output of the vehicle. and on top of all of that good the car will get no better mileage than a conventional vehicle if running on gasoline and reformers are not always 100% efficient. if carbon oxides get into the fuel cell it will degrade the performance of the cell over time. btw these cars also use the same batteries that the current hybrids use so you will have the same problems there. yea this sounds much better than the current hybrids. funny how the japanese manufacturers have them now and are gaining market share. for cars that dont solve much of a problem. once again you are wrong. when driven properly they are capable of significant fuel savings and the fact that they are in demand encourages manufacturers to perfect the technology come up with newer and better methods and lower the cost. what you want to do will do nothing more than eliminate any desire to develop newer technology. they are expensive to build and cause pollution in forms not currently measured. look what goes into their construction. hybrids have a short life because of their batteries which poses pollution concerns. with modern battery technology they are rated for 8 years and 100000 miles. not too bad for a fairly new technology. these batteries can also be recycled. looks like typical conservative short sighted thinking to me. as for bitching about the customer i am doing no such thing. i am simply stating the real problem whic you claim to agree with me on. you state a real problem and yes i agree. ok the consumer wastes. but you have stated your problem as being the solution. bitch at consumers to conserve. ya thats gonna work. no but neither will increasing the supply of oil. in fact increasing the oil available will simply make the problem worse. sure you did many times. even now you are saying that buying on is a waste of time because you will never recoup the total cost in savings on your fuel bill. i have not said hybrids or other efficient cars or developing other energy sources is a waste. i never said its a waste of time. i said its not economical to do so and not practical for society to do so as a whole. and it will remain that way as long as oil appears to be plentiful and inexpensive. your solution is not a workable one. society isnt going to change based on your logic. it has to be affordable. no it simply has to be more affordable than not doing it and increasing the output of oil will h

From : denny

tbone wrote absurd not at all just against your way of thinking. tell me miles what mileage do your current vehicles get no your logic is absurd. society can not afford to go out buying new cars that wont come close to saving enough to make it worthwhile. make a sacrifice to save the world sounds great do most people have the money to go out and buy a new hybrid current hybrids range in mpg hwy from 37 honda accord to 51 toyota prius. how long to pay for itself to make it worthwhile to give up my truck that i drive 15000/yr at 18mpg lol if they were working on them for over a year where are they you dont look very hard to you ford has the escape hybrid out. chevy has hybrid versions of the silverado and gmc sierra pickups available to commercial customers and expects consumer versions later this year. gm has committed to spending over $1 billion to get hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles ready for production. spending money on developing fuel cell vehicles makes far more sense than hybrids. funny how the japanese manufacturers have them now and are gaining market share. for cars that dont solve much of a problem. they are expensive to build and cause pollution in forms not currently measured. look what goes into their construction. hybrids have a short life because of their batteries which poses pollution concerns. looks like typical conservative short sighted thinking to me. as for bitching about the customer i am doing no such thing. i am simply stating the real problem whic you claim to agree with me on. you state a real problem and yes i agree. ok the consumer wastes. but you have stated your problem as being the solution. bitch at consumers to conserve. ya thats gonna work. sure you did many times. even now you are saying that buying on is a waste of time because you will never recoup the total cost in savings on your fuel bill. i have not said hybrids or other efficient cars or developing other energy sources is a waste. i never said its a waste of time. i said its not economical to do so and not practical for society to do so as a whole. your solution is not a workable one. society isnt going to change based on your logic. it has to be affordable. what you said is nothing mre than short sighted idiotic thinking. you need to look toward the future to make decisions today that effect both tomorrow and into the long term future but like most conservatives you cant see past the end of your dick. iow if it doesnt bring you immediate satisfaction it isnt seen at all. see tbone here is a classic example of you only seeing one side. looking toward the future is great. we need to. but you assume im not doing so and thats where youre flat out wrong. trouble is you need to argue so you say i dont just because. ive repeatedly said developing alternative fuels for the future is needed. but i also see problems today that you refuse to address. ya tell the consumer to conserve. great realistic plan ya got there. why is it that any time someone mentions what the problem really is you call it bitching because you try to state the problem as also being the solution. it is not. its the problem. now tell me your solution all you do is bitch whine and moan about the wastefull consumer. that is not a solution. once again i hate to burst your bubble but bitching has nothing to do with it. i am just stating the problem as what it is and the only real way to fix it. you have not offered any workable solution to the problem. telling people to conserve will do nothing. therefore your solution is ineffective and some other solution needs to be found. because what is on the road and working is what counts. like in the stock market until you sell it you havent made a dime. but i thought you said the answer is looking to the future. american companies are spending millions on technology such as fuel cells that will easily surpass hybrids and is a far better way to spend research $s. none the less contrary to what you seem to know american companies do have hybrids out. please explain exactly why they are not a short or long term solution and btw they are neither tiny or just commuter hybrids anymore. true the american companies have hybrid trucks and suvs out. ones you seem to ignore. japanese have tiny civic and the prius out. hahahahahaha you really should think about what you are saying. how many years decades before fuel efficient cars and trucks dominate the roads this is the part that you are not getting miles our public waste selfishness and stupidity is the problem. yep but not the solution as you claim. see what i mean. but you are right talking about it does nothing with the average selfish american. yep but thats your solution anyways. at least you admitted your solution is not a workable one. get real miles. there is a big difference between tappin

From : roy

roy wrote i saw that some people out there were in line for 5-10. sorta late dont ya think bg roy its that damn k&n 1% thats to blame !!!! .