Vented Tailgate - (Dodge Ram '07)

From : shane

Q: does anyone actually know if a vented tailgate actually helps increase gas mileage any if so by how much any information would be greatly appreciated thanks. shane what miles said. save your money. it is a truck .

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From : miles

just in case anyone gives a damn i found out what was the problem with my truck--no thanks to this site and its visitors. it was a stinkin rear wheel sensor. what the heck dodge puts these danged things in your autos just so they can go bad and cost you a fortune to fix them. if you think im a itch in print you should meet me face-to-face! my post was i have idiot lights air bag engine brakes on but everything checks out o.k. the child protection door locks are supposed to lock up at 15 mph but now they dont. when the locks quit working the speedometer and milage meter quit too. battery tests okay. no blown fuses. help i hope dodge goes bust .

From : mike simmons

nosey wrote they make no such legally binding claims. read the way they word it. it is very misleading. i agree to an extent. however they do make claims regarding specific vehicles by year and model. no performance part manufacture can make across the board claims. they can only show results for specific tests done. whether those will relate to some other vehicle is unknown. .

From : mike simmons

roy wrote stock is what this whole thing was about. as you say the gains may not be much and in fact nonexistant. we finally agree. as i said before the cost of these things probably wont be recovered in fuel savings. go back and reread the thread. i clearly stated a cai can improve performance on some vehicles. it depends on the design of the stock air intake and whether its already cai or not. i do not know about newer rams but older 2003 gassers have lousy intake ducts in my opinion. .

From : roy

roy wrote anyway this has been beaten around enuff. im done. i use fleetguard. it gives you at least 50 additional hp. - craig c. .

From : denny

dimbleby / john major april 1997 certainty level 90% dimbleby interviews john major during the election campaign. here is the exchange regarding neil hamilton the sleazy tory candidate; dimbleby its a direct quotation from what he said to sir gordon downey and what he said to his local paper the knutsford guardian. major well heaven forfend that i should doubt what the knutsford guardian actually said dimbleby well i should hope so major absolutely it would be quite unforgivable to doubt the knutsford guardian what i find in this segment is an assonance between knutsford and nut or nuts. i think dimbleby deliberately invents the play on words and says it clearly enough for major to pick it up and repeat it. you can gauge dimblebys intent from his facial expression of false honesty when he uses the words knutsford guardian; and majors reaction follows from his recognition of dimblebys intent; major smiles and says it would be unforgivable to doubt the knutsford guardian. these are much clearer on the original video than on this quicktime clip. 4002 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : roy

ken clarke 2 april 1997 certainty level 30% the second of two video segments from the same programme this shows ken clarke during the election campaign. he makes the following statement; we have a party and we have a cabinet which has produced a manifesto consistent with our policy of the last five years; people are challenging us on the basis theres been some monstrous conspiracy between all the politicians to guide us we know not where we know where were going we wish to be a leading influence in the european union it should be fairly obvious what i read into in the above sentences. the monstrous conspiracy between all the politicians could of course apply to the public perception of closer european integration but i took it as referring to the conspiracy of politicians and media people against me. again facial expression comes into it; as clarke speaks of the monstrous conspiracy his eyebrows twitch and it is clear that something or somebody is being made fun of. 2779 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : roy

ken clarke 1 april 1997 certainty level 30% the first of two video segments from the same program this shows jon snow interviewing ken clarke in april 1997 during the general election campaign. the following exchange is heard; jon snow you say we are booming in your posters the busts around the corner ken clarke you took that from three years ago when i was being advised to do all kinds of mad things to stimulate the economy and being told that i had to take desperate measures to get it going at this time i was watching television almost continuously at home with a video recorder whirring away trying to obtain from the casters a reaction which would give them away. i think this is an instance where it happened. ken clarke first darts a glance straight at the video camera and perhaps at a monitor next to it showing my living room then comes out with all kinds of mad things while engaging in a facial display involving raising of eyebrows and lowering of eyelids. to me at the time and also now it looked as if he was selecting a context into which he could drop the word mad as a directed insult against me. 1556 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : nosey

subject david hepworth glr is taking the piss groups uk.misc organization toronto free-net summary keywords last night 21/feb/97 i was listening to bbc glr. you have to understand that i was listening by stealth. back in 1990 i used to have capital blaring out of not much changes. today i was listening again to david hepworths show on glr having more or less waded in on it by accident. here is the exchange; david we have executive drivetime we have brian in charge of the prize cupboard. brian its not a bad prize cupboard this week is it brian no david its an absolute emphasis embarrassment end-emphasis of prizes this evening laughter david what have we got brian well in my left hand alone weve got that .... gary clale i dont know if you remember him obviously still alive and kicking.... david rock and roll spelling test is your first opportunity to take advantage of this embarrassment of prizes what do i read into this exchange the laughter after the word embarrassment shows theyre aware of the last complaint i made on usenet copied by snail-mail to them. the left hand business is i think a coded way of calling me a w***er the term would be better applied to brian and david. i have a tape of this exchange and will eventually get around to posting it on the website. ......................................................................... subject re david hepworth glr is taking the piss groups uk.misc references e9xmvw.4h2.0.bloor@torfree.net organization toronto free-net distribution uk i dont understand. why has nobody replied to this post you keep on asking for evidence then i present you with something that looks very much like evidence and everybody just ignores it. ok i havent posted the actual sound extract and it still isnt proof. perhaps everybody just finds it all too boring and dull. should i start spamming again from one of those nice anonymous remailers to wake everyone up now theres a thought. ......................................................................... mike corley bu765@torfree.net wrote i dont understand. why has nobody replied to this post cos you dont reply to our points - youre ignoring us why shouldnt we ignore you you keep on asking for evidence then i present you with something that looks very much like evidence no you dont you post something which could never ever be construed as referring to yourself. cant you see it no of course you cant youve an illness. perhaps everybody just finds it all too boring and dull. should i start spamming again from one of those nice anonymous remailers to wake everyone up now theres a thought. and i see youve started. give it a rest mike unless youre prepared to enter into proper discussion. -- illtud daniel idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk -see twin town- -buy apollo 440- ......................................................................... mike corley bu765@torfree.net wrote i dont understand. why has nobody replied to this post never read it. repost smid ......................................................................... illtud daniel idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk wrote reposted brian no david its an absolute emphasis embarrassment end-emphasis of prizes this evening laughter uh-uh. hes on for a bad attack if hes singling out words which are apparently attacking him. he previously restricted himself to just dialog about the mentally ill. take your medication mike. smid ......................................................................... 17455 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : tbone

subject the continuing silence groups uk.misc organization toronto free-net summary keywords the silence continues. i am enjoying listening to radio 4 without any ill effects whatsoever. admittedly i am recording every moment but still. even better i have fished out a recording from itn last year which at the time i was convinced had been about me and on re-seeing it i am now convinced it is not about me at all. but that is not to disclaim all the many live incidents that have happened. everything written on my website is true. for the newcomers its url as seen in the observer and private eye is snip ........................................................................ mike corley wrote the silence continues. i am enjoying listening to radio 4 without any ill effects whatsoever. already the new labour govt improves the quality of life of the populace! -- to reply by email you must delete the trailing x from the to field why not drop by my web page sometime http//www.man.ac.uk/zlsiida manchesters cheapest poker game still needs more players - drop me a line if interested or if you know another game that i might like. ........................................................................ from david roberts oss108@sos.bangor.ac.yuk mike youre a ray of sunshine on a cold and miserable day. long may the silence continue. david -- ***************================**************** right thats enough junk mail. if you really want to e-mail me remove the y from my address ........................................................................ better i have fished out a recording from itn last year which at the time i was convinced had been about me and on re-seeing it i am now convinced it is not about me at all. youve cheered me up with this mike. seriously. the last sentence suggests that your health is improving and you are beginning to become pragmatic in some way... take a deep breath and look to the future. i wish you well. smid ........................................................................ 15009 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : craig c

subject peak practice 1/4/97 wanted groups uk.miscrec.arts.tv.uk.misc organization toronto free-net summary keywords i am looking for a recording of peak practice from yesterday 1.april on vhs tape. willing to pay a reasonable sum for a recording. .................................................................. mike corley bu765@torfree.net wrote i am looking for a recording of peak practice from yesterday 1.april on vhs tape. willing to pay a reasonable sum for a recording. uh-oh. peak practice slagging you off as well now eh mike -- illtud daniel idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk -see twin town- -buy apollo 440- .................................................................. subject re peak practice 1/4/97 wanted groups uk.miscrec.arts.tv.uk.misc followup-to uk.miscrec.arts.tv.uk.misc references e80u0b.8qd.0.bloor@torfree.net 5i0onj$c9n@.ox.ac.uk organization toronto free-net distribution uh-oh. peak practice slagging you off as well now eh mike you better believe it. tuesdays episode had one of its characters being labelled as a lunatic with something wrong with them. i changed channels rapidly at this point but in retrospect perhaps i should have carried on watching and taped the program. a few days ago i bought a video recorder about time too for evidence gathering purposes. but strangely the tv both bbc and itn havent uttered a sound over the last few days. almost as if they know theyre being taped... .................................................................. mike corley bu765@torfree.net wrote uh-oh. peak practice slagging you off as well now eh mike you better believe it. tuesdays episode had one of its characters being labelled as a lunatic with something wrong with them. and there are many characters in tv programmes who are lunatics withsomething wrong with them. why do you think this alludes to you in the eponymous book cervantes don quixote is described as crazy mad and lunatic. do you think this is a reference to yourself albeit written by a time-travelling 17th century spaniard if you accept that the character of don quixote can be described thus without it being a reference to you what problem do you have with peak practice or do you enjoy tilting at your own little windmills a friends lodger has turned out to be paranoid schizophrenic. her obsessions are strikingly similar to yours she is convinced that she is being bugged and that students at her college are making fun of her for being foreign. she has been looking for the services of a private detective. maybe oxford has this unfortunate effect on foreigners i must say that im surviving rather well or thats what the man under the stairs told me yesterday. -- illtud daniel idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk-see twin town- -buy apollo 440- .................................................................. so mike you are a woman married to a doctorhave two children speak spanish and living in the peak district. is that a fair description of you bazza .................................................................. 13786 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : miles

roy wrote hmmm. answer the question. no heat transfer after the truck has been operated for a hour or so. where are you getting all this velocity after the filter the length of time is irrelevant. heat is heat and the ability of that heat to transfer through the plastic enough to heat the air running through the tube is negligible especially if per you it would take an hour. your splitting hairs miles i said the drive the truck for a hour. drive it longer. the continueing heat transfer is still there. no where is the velocity comeing from. it still wont help a stock truck. .

From : roy

roy wrote hmmm. answer the question. no heat transfer after the truck has been operated for a hour or so. where are you getting all this velocity after the filter the length of time is irrelevant. heat is heat and the ability of that heat to transfer through the plastic enough to heat the air running through the tube is negligible especially if per you it would take an hour. .

From : miles

groups uk.miscalt.radio.ukuk.mediaalt.politics.britishuk.legal from bu765@torfree.net mike corley subject mi5 buy into the media message-id dv0p34.73.0.bloor@torfree.net organization toronto free-net x-reader tin version 1.2 pl2 references pine.osf.3.91.960716155603.6898a-100000@ermine.ox.ac.uk date tue 23 jul 1996 222815 gmt peter harding harding@ermine.ox.ac.uk wrote i was at speakers corner on sunday. there was one chap who was bellowing about something or other i dont know what but one thing he said to someone caught my ear bbc mi5 same thing. cant disagree with that sentiment. wasnt it documented that mi5 sometimes bought journalists and broadcasters i remember reading a report by some jouralist who had been offered an extra tax-free income by mi5 to become their covert mouthpiece and had refused. bet you lots of others didnt refuse. why do you think mi5 have such easy access to the bbc and media because theyre directly paying them off thats why. ===================================================================== tue 23 jul 1996 200115 uk.misc thread 20 of 25 lines 17 re mi5 buy into the media no responses iain@cummings.demon.co.uk iain cummings at fish!

From : tbone

roy for all the wrong reasons you are correct. there will be no appreciable gain to offset the cost. in point of fact most oem air cleaners are much better than the aftermarket in cleaning the air being injested. this is especially true with the cummins in the dodge ram. the air filter is only a small part of it. there is also the flow capability of the ducting as well as the thermal transfer as well as the location of the filter in relation to it being heat soaked. while it is true that for many trucks the improvements will be minimal it is not true for all of them as some have some real crap as far as factory cai goes. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : chris thompson

in response to tcconrad s post. i thought everyone should know on aug 22 125 pm tom lawrence tnooms4p8...@meimnbgaarlqlmoawield.com wrote seen could have the codes pulled by cycling the ignition key 3 times from off to on. i tried this every way i can think of on this truck and nothing seems to work. any suggestions would be appreciated. im not sure what else to tell you - this absolutely works. starting in the off position cycle the key to on where the instrument panel lights illuminate then back one notch to off back to on then to off then finally to on. any stored codes will be displayed on the odometer. understood. ive done this probably hundreds of times in the past. i tried 3 times just to off 3 times to acc 3 times to key removal position and nothing seems to work. its been a while since ive done this but my recollection is that if no codes are actually stored then it give a pdone or something along those lines to at least let you know a test was run and nothing was stored. switch all the way to the run position then back to off. do not hit the start position though. should work fine. -- chris .

From : roy

on tue 21 aug 2007 194937 -0400 denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote hope like heck the weather clears a little tomorrow. a friend wants to go shooten with mr. garand mr. ar and mr. 500. not that i like to make alot of noise.... bg denny roy you have custom ear protection they must be really interesting.. lol just roll them up and put a cloths pin on em.... denny .

From : mac davis

on wed 22 aug 2007 084246 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote my oldest is talking about it. i dunno what ill do with any of them other than keeping the sig239 and s&w 60. the walther sig226 and s&w 686 im going to put on consignment when i go north in couple of weeks i think. the ar i dont know it is a real nice weapon i have probably 2 cases of fed american eagle for it a bunch of mags. harris bi-pod scope. i just dont know. i know i dont want to drag the safe down here. so ill probably end up giving to my kid along with the safe as a early wedding present. roy interesting wedding present bro.. whats the fiance get kevlar btw i just re-read the 13th valley by john del vecchio... ever read it it sure makes me glad that i was in iii corp.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : chris thompson

hey wide ride! you folks doin okay was just watching the natl and they were talking about the interstate being all messed with water up as it went though your city. theres a helluva lota water running off around here. i got a tad bit over 7 of rain no wisecracks here!!!! out at the barn. ive never seen i75 closed before but it got closed this am. both side were covered with water right at bluffton. there were 15 miles of lines on the state routes to get around that mess. the worst of the storm hit about 10 miles north of me. glad to see your okay. i know rabbits dont swim well especially the wr kind. thats called floatation.... kinda like when you jump in the ocean and a tidal wave hits england a few hours later.. im sure you have the machine high and dry. g i mean if ya get it messed up what will you and the idiot do during your next bonding session i guess if the idiot and me ever bond itll be with thoughts of you in our minds... hmmm.... that is sorta telling.vbg only if ya like it...... hope like heck the weather clears a little tomorrow. a friend wants to go shooten with mr. garand mr. ar and mr. 500. not that i like to make alot of noise.... bg could be a expensive afternoon with all that ammo. have fun id have more fun if somebody would get off that ar that they dont shoot anymore...... vbg denny .

From : mike simmons

roy wrote on fri 17 aug 2007 233001 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote the idiot is back!! yes you the idiot and troll is back i see! typical troll just wants to stir pot and not really help anyone. you are soooo sad. you are soooo old. .

From : miles

just in case anyone gives a damn i found out what was the problem with my truck--no thanks to this site and its visitors. please allow me to apologize to you. i wasnt aware that i or anybody else was under any obligation to respond to your question. speaking for only myself let me assure you that after your latest post it will happen again. .

From : roy

roy wrote miles you continue to ignore the question. you say it is moving fast enough to cool the tube and keep it cool. where are you finding all this velocity lets take the 5.7l hemi for instance. what is the volume of air it would draw in each revolution the formula for any four stroke engine is cfm = cid x rpm x ve /3456 where cfm = cubic feet/minute cid = cubic inch displacement rpm= revolutions per minute ve = volumetric efficiency to calculate velocity thru the air intake system cfm/intake area in square feet this does not take into account the very minor loses due to friction. more fuel to the fire..... ;^ mike .

From : chris thompson

9c2c5d023f548b0c37855778d7f879b6@localhost.talkaboutautos.com theoldbag packin357mama@aol.com wrote just in case anyone gives a damn i dont. i found out what was the problem with my truck--no thanks to this site and its visitors. this isnt a site. it was a stinkin rear wheel sensor. what the heck dodge puts these danged things in your autos just so they can go bad and cost you a fortune to fix them. wow a part failed on your eight year old truck. what the heck if you think im a itch in print you should meet me face-to-face! so far all i think is that youre clueless. my post was i have idiot lights air bag engine brakes on but everything checks out o.k. the child protection door locks are supposed to lock up at 15 mph but now they dont. when the locks quit working the speedometer and milage meter quit too. battery tests okay. no blown fuses. help i hope dodge goes bust buy an audi. .

From : Annonymous

i found out what was the problem with my truck--no thanks to this site and its visitors. youre absolutely right. on behalf of the staff here allow me to apologize and promptly refund your membership fee as you obviously didnt receive the service you paid for. what the heck dodge puts these danged things in your autos just so they can go bad and cost you a fortune to fix them. exactly! youve figured it out. yep - they put that there for the sole reason of pissing you off. nevermind that its there to sense wheel lock-up and activate the abs system in order to save your sorry ass while youre staring in the mirror applying make-up while flying down the highway at 80mph unaware of the traffic tie-up in front of you and slamming on the brakes at the last second because you were too busy to actually pay attention to the road ahead of you. no thats not it at all. .

From : miles

roy wrote wtf is this thing part of the space shuttle gif the tube is under the hood for a hour at at normal operating temp are you trying to tell me the inside of the tube is cool are you trying to tell me that the air coming from outside the engine compartment through the tube is the same temp as the air outside the tube that would only be true if the air sat still in the tube for that hour you are talking about. . okay for the sakes. of this mindnumbing exercise lets say it is 80 degrees outside you have been rideing around for 45 minutes with a/c on driving at 35-45 mph the engine compartment is well over 120 degrees what would you figure the air temp is when this 80 degree air upon entery to the filter is when it hits the tb 80-90 depending on the vehicle and duct used. measure it if you feel thats not possible. you would have me believe that there would be no heat transfer or if any it would only increase the temp 10 degrees you measure it miles. i havent blown a few hundred on one of these. what you are missing roy is the rate of heat transfer. ok lets say that tube sat at 120 for an hour and the inside is also 120. now start a constant flow of 80 degree air through it. the inside of the tube will cool which does mean heat was transferred to the air....but only for the first few minutes. plastic does not conduct heat very well. it wont be able to continue heating that air significantly. but the heat will continue to penetrate the tube heating the air. probably end upat about the same temp as the stock system or darn close to it.. .

From : miles

roy wrote let me try again. the material that the tube is made from is going to aquire the same temp. that the rest of the engine does or darn close to it. no roy. the engine metal temp is much hotter than the compartments air temp but i assume you meant air temp. yup! that heat will transfer through the walls of the tube so that the inner wall that u the air is passing through is also the same temp. with that logic your homes a/c would not work. it travels through duct work often through attics that can get quite hot. here in phoenix my attic can get well over 120 degrees yet i have nice cold a/c coming out of the ducts which travel through that temperature. we arent talking about a/c. we are talking about the benifit of this setup on a stock daily driver truck. seeing as it isnt a forced air induction there isnt a heck of a lot of velocity moving it. what makes you believe that this air is moving so fast that it wont pick up heat from whatever it travels through it takes time for the air to heat up. how long does air take to travel through the duct in your view again with your logic your homes a/c would not work very well. the velocity produced by the a/cs fan on say low isnt very much. the engine does draw in air more than fast enough. i disagree. tell me roy. why do so many auto manufactures install ducts to the outside of the engines compartment when doing so costs extra money if according to you there is nothing to gain for the same reason they put big assed decals on them and tell people they are fast.g some do some dont.. dc didnt with the charger srt8 and the srt boys were after all the go that they could get. but this is a stock truck remember. sure it is. but you arent going to get there by changing the tube and that is pretty much what you have done. heat is heat whether or not it is the factory tube of aftermarket i change the duct from one that draws air inside the engine compartment to one that draws it from outside. you are saying that a tube heated for a hour or so in a stock truck in normal driving wont transfer the heat to the air that passes through it with zilch for velocity zilch velocity hmm. guess again. hmmm. answer the question. no heat transfer after the truck has been operated for a hour or so. where are you getting all this velocity after the filter .

From : tbone

roy wrote if you are talking about today by the time the cold air travels through the filter and through the hot tube to the tb it is no longer cold that simply isnt true at all. really yea really. what does the tube cool it for that to happen heat would have to conduct rapidly through whatever material was used for the duct. it is already hot from the air that it surrounds it. you would be correct for some of the cheaper thin walled plastic that could conduct heat. however the better styles are double walled or made of thicker materials that dont conduct heat all that well. the air is traveling through the duct much too fast to heat up appreciably. let me try again. the material that the tube is made from is going to aquire the same temp. that the rest of the engine does or darn close to it. if you are talking about the outside of the tube then you are probably correct. im talking about the air in the engine compartment under the hood where the tube is surrounded by air which is well over 120 degrees. that heat will transfer through the walls of the tube so that the inner wall that the air is passing through is also the same temp. now this is where you are wrong. heat transfer thru some plastics is very inefficient and that is a desired trait for air tube being used to funnel cold air thru a hot engine compartment. wtf is this thing part of the space shuttle gif the tube is under the hood for a hour at at normal operating temp are you trying to tell me the inside of the tube is cool now you introduce air that has already been slowed by the hot filter and then has to proceed through the tube to the tb. again you are making invalid assumptions. in most of these kits the filter is on the beginning of the duct and usually near a point of cold air entry and shielded from the engine heat which makes it the coolest part of the system. and at the filter the air is slowed down. seeing as it isnt a forced air induction there isnt a heck of a lot of velocity moving it. what makes you believe that this air is moving so fast that it wont pick up heat from whatever it travels through it is not a matter of the air picking up heat it is a matter of how much. okay for the sake of this mindnumbing exercise lets say it is 80 degrees outside you have been rideing around for 45 minutes with a/c on driving at 35-45 mph the engine compartment is well over 120 degrees what would you figure the air temp is when this 80 degree air upon entery to the filter is when it hits the tb the air will pick up a bunch of heat as it passes through the filter and tube. thus the gain in performance or mpg compared to factory is going to be nil imo. you are making assumptions that are not always true. in many cases the filter is not hot and the air will not pick up much heat there. the plastics that many of these better induction systems are made out of do not conduct heat well which minimises heat transfer to the air inside of them. then you can add the fact that many of these systems flow better than the factory system and the air filter is less restrictive which leads to increased air flow and even less heat transfer. tom your talking nothing but bs here. it is a stock truck with stock tb stock cam stock putor all stock. the less restiction means nada to it. as does this so called cold air. if it was a race car modified to handle a fater mix then everything matters. but it isnt. heres the thing miles the air is not pulled in it is forced into the filter by the speed of the truck. if the speed of the truck isnt in excess of 80+mph there isnt a whole heck of a lot happening. what type of truck are you talking about here very few trucks have forced air intakes. we are talking about stock trucks. exactly !! and being that they are stock the factory is not going to spend big bucks creating the best induction system possible as that both raises the cost of the truck and kills profits. they are not forced. cold air drawn in is preferable to hot air from inside the engine compartment. sure it is. but you arent going to get there by changing the tube and that is pretty much what you have done. heat is heat whether or not it is the factory tube of aftermarket once again this simply is not true. different plastics conduct heat at different levels many of these systems move the filter to a cool area many of these systems simply flow better than the factory systems. a proper duct will not conduct significant heat to the air being drawn in. you are saying that a tube heated for a hour or so in a stock truck in normal driving wont transfer the heat to the air that passes through it with zilch for velocity answer the question. is there or is there not heat transfer lol where are you getting this zilch for velocity stuff from experience with a bunch of hi pe

From : roy

subject re fanatics fare for the common man groups uk.miscuk.mediauk.legaluk.politics.misc followup-to uk.miscuk.mediauk.legaluk.politics.misc references ds0l1o.bmf.0.bloor@torfree.net adcf291096681f4e@cara.demon.co.uk organization toronto free-net distribution peter ceresole peter@cara.demon.co.uk wrote bu765@torfree.net mike corley quoted a typical overblown bernard levin piece which sounds exactly like any number of other pieces by levin over the past thirty years. he then goes on to draw an anguished parallel with a totally unrelated incident that had happened between him and a friend a few days earlier. it is in the same style as his other pieces but its so close to what actually happened a few days previously that its completely reasonable to assume that someone told levin about the meeting hammed it up a little bit and motivated him to write that article. look at the parallels; 1. madman running loose about london 2. its about a meeting which took place recently 3. the police are called he must be controlled however much that consumes in resources 4. he might be violent approach with caution yes were laughing but really were afraid of him or is it perhaps our own propaganda that were letting manipulate us 5. he bursts into tears and swears its all true - and it is a very exaggerated impression of the conclusion of that meeting dont worry if you dont believe me neither my friend to whom i explained this nor my gp believe me either until the friend found out otherwise!. if someone just presented this to you as i am presenting it now then i wouldnt find it credible most likely so its not until you actually find out its true that you can find it credible. and by then its too late because theyve got you in their trap and explained how funny the abuse is. 1556 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : roy

roy wrote if you are talking about today by the time the cold air travels through the filter and through the hot tube to the tb it is no longer cold that simply isnt true at all. really for that to happen heat would have to conduct rapidly through whatever material was used for the duct. you would be correct for some of the cheaper thin walled plastic that could conduct heat. however the better styles are double walled or made of thicker materials that dont conduct heat all that well. the air is traveling through the duct much too fast to heat up appreciably. let me try again. the material that the tube is made from is going to aquire the same temp. that the rest of the engine does or darn close to it. that heat will transfer through the walls of the tube so that the inner wall that the air is passing through is also the same temp. now you introduce air that has already been slowed by the hot filter and then has to proceed through the tube to the tb. seeing as it isnt a forced air induction there isnt a heck of a lot of velocity moving it. what makes you believe that this air is moving so fast that it wont pick up heat from whatever it travels through the air will pick up a bunch of heat as it passes through the filter and tube. thus the gain in performance or mpg compared to factory is going to be nil imo. heres the thing miles the air is not pulled in it is forced into the filter by the speed of the truck. if the speed of the truck isnt in excess of 80+mph there isnt a whole heck of a lot happening. what type of truck are you talking about here very few trucks have forced air intakes. we are talking about stock trucks. exactly !! they are not forced. cold air drawn in is preferable to hot air from inside the engine compartment. sure it is. but you arent going to get there by changing the tube and that is pretty much what you have done. heat is heat whether or not it is the factory tube of aftermarket a proper duct will not conduct significant heat to the air being drawn in. you are saying that a tube heated for a hour or so in a stock truck in normal driving wont transfer the heat to the air that passes through it with zilch for velocity miles i played with forced air on drag cars years ago. true it is now old tech but pretty much the same deal.with a hood scoop and a velocity stack sealed to the scoop good for maybe 1/2 second in the 1/4. that is on a modified engine at wot. that is with cold air being stuffed dirctly into the carb through a cold 6 tall velocity stack with no filter at at all. you wont see that on a stock truck under normal use with a your tube and filter. you wont notice a mpg change that will offset money spent on the tube and filter imo. .

From : miles

roy wrote if you are talking about today by the time the cold air travels through the filter and through the hot tube to the tb it is no longer cold that simply isnt true at all. for that to happen heat would have to conduct rapidly through whatever material was used for the duct. you would be correct for some of the cheaper thin walled plastic that could conduct heat. however the better styles are double walled or made of thicker materials that dont conduct heat all that well. the air is traveling through the duct much too fast to heat up appreciably. heres the thing miles the air is not pulled in it is forced into the filter by the speed of the truck. if the speed of the truck isnt in excess of 80+mph there isnt a whole heck of a lot happening. what type of truck are you talking about here very few trucks have forced air intakes. we are talking about stock trucks. they are not forced. cold air drawn in is preferable to hot air from inside the engine compartment. a proper duct will not conduct significant heat to the air being drawn in. .

From : miles

a90fde6b4ab7200867c857686817f7b1@msgid.frell.theremailer.net therio use-author-supplied-address-header@127.1 wrote http//snipr.com/nrdodgeram no good. try http//tinyurl.com/2ebrfh .

From : miles

subject re mi5 please can someone explain whats going on here groups uk.misc references 4l1khm$4cn@utopia.hacktic.nl 4l2lhj$6h6@big.shef.ac.uk organization toronto free-net distribution david stretch dds@leicester.ac.uk wrote iain l m hotchkies iain@hotch.demon.co.uk wrote the remote possibility remains that mike corley is either not schizophrenic but is pretending to be so or he is a product of a number of persons psychology students. given other ways in which i have seen people exploit some of the internets capabilities to disrupt or indulge in sophistry or to exploit a medium that resembles speech without the non-verbal and intonation cues etc as a means of denigrating others i question your use albeit in quotes of the word remote. im not saying it isnt remote and therefore it is great im just saying that i dont think we can easily classify it as remote moderate or great. i think you can build up quite a good picture based on what someone says and on their posting patterns. i dont think the internet capitals no less is as opaque a medium as you make it out to be. it is not easy to determine the validity of all information on the internet without making use of extra supplementary information. we do have the problem pointed out by someone else of the possibly too perfect textbook characteristics of what is being posted. i explained that one but i dont mind explaining it again you dont mind having it explained again to you do you now. the reason my symptoms are such a perfect fit to the textbook is because the people causing the campaign fitted me up in such a way that what they did would resemble the symptoms of schizophrenia. hence tv radio other media people in the streets etc. by a fortunate coincidence for them these mthods of harassment are the ones which offer easiest channels of access for them. its really quite neat. all it takes is for people to start believing that the symptoms arent symptoms but reality though and the house of cards collapses in a heap. and there are lots of people now who knoiw full well what has gone on. if harrassment by email etc has happened by someone out of the country can a complaint be made that results in arrest or whatever upon that persons entry into the country an interesting point which mike may be able to inform us about as hes said he will be in the uk in a few weeks time. picture the scene at the airport; i arrest you for being mike corley and mailbombing people but my name isnt corley. who he mailbombing isnt illegal is it youd have to lock up a lot of people if sending annoying email was a crime er..... -- david stretch greenwood institute of child health univ. of leicester uk. dds@leicester.ac.uk phone+44 0116-254-6100 fax+44 0116-254-4127 ======================================================================== context-free parts of articles conversations and things-on-the-tv and assume they are meant for you. mike this is called paranoia. but thats the way real abuse works too. people interject words and phrases into what they say which they know will have meaning for the listener. and sometimes they make it obvious. the very first evening of my job in oxford we went for a drink with the technical director and a couple of other employees. the td said in an as-if aside to one of the others is this the bloke whos been on tv he said it directly in front of me and obviously meant mke to hear him saying it. the other person replied yes i think so. i think the subtext of what the td said was why are they bothering with him hes so insignificant why would they possibly want to spend the resources going after him and putting all that expensive technology in his home when there must be much better targets. the technical director was given to sometimes disrespecting people you see and in my case he couldnt see the point of anyone expending money on harassing me. ==================================================================== subject re treatment of schizophrenia groups uk.miscuk.legaluk.politicsalt.politics.british followup-to uk.miscuk.legaluk.politicsalt.politics.british references 153321z22041996@anon.penet.fi 4lge6r$p00@.ox.ac.uk organization toronto free-net distribution illtud daniel idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk wrote probably cos you come across as reasoned & articulate its a pity about the other stuff veracity is so unreasonable. pps. you should still see a doc again mike. doing so. trouble is all this mental-illness stuff provides camouflage for the harassment which is real. it alows people who otherwise would consider the harassment seriously to disregard it. it makes conversations with a lawyer or police brief when otherwise it would merit discussion. the point is that there are two possibilities happening here- 1. theres a large conspiracy of people out to get you for no other reason than that they have the

From : roy

roy wrote wtf is this thing part of the space shuttle gif the tube is under the hood for a hour at at normal operating temp are you trying to tell me the inside of the tube is cool are you trying to tell me that the air coming from outside the engine compartment through the tube is the same temp as the air outside the tube that would only be true if the air sat still in the tube for that hour you are talking about. .. okay for the sakes. of this mindnumbing exercise lets say it is 80 degrees outside you have been rideing around for 45 minutes with a/c on driving at 35-45 mph the engine compartment is well over 120 degrees what would you figure the air temp is when this 80 degree air upon entery to the filter is when it hits the tb 80-90 depending on the vehicle and duct used. measure it if you feel thats not possible. what you are missing roy is the rate of heat transfer. ok lets say that tube sat at 120 for an hour and the inside is also 120. now start a constant flow of 80 degree air through it. the inside of the tube will cool which does mean heat was transferred to the air....but only for the first few minutes. plastic does not conduct heat very well. it wont be able to continue heating that air significantly. .

From : bigironram

from chris lawton chrisla@ti.com subject re mi5 persecution ;; cost of the harassment message-id 325a3da6.3447@ti.com date tue 8 oct 1996 114022 gmt reply-to chrisla@ti.com daniel robert holdsworth wrote stevea@castlsys.demon.co.uk.no.spam.thanx steve a writes on 4 oct 1996 131916 +0100 drh92@aber.ac.uk daniel robert holdsworth wrote oh no! not here too. this mi5 persecution threads been doing the rounds of uk.misc for ages; it concerns some paranoid loony who thinks that mi5 are out to get him. theyre not; everyone else on that group is. killfile the moron now! bit sad really the guy must be the same one has an excellent web page. definite waste of talent. ps i am not disclosing his url. the mans been changing his anon remailer address periodically too. why on earth he does i dont know; hes in serious danger of creating some real enemies apart from the phantoms his sadly deranged mind has created. ......................................................................................... from nuala@mimir.com nuala fahey subject re mi5 persecution // bbc tv and radio date 4 oct 1996 160324 +0100 message-id 5338vs$hrc@freyja.mimir.com simon lord simonl@hrmconsult.co.uk wrote i expect he will soon be seen in uk.out.to.lunch considering he spammed it far and wide well at least to alt.angst and alt.folklore.urban which i saw and each of those included other groups in the groups line i doubt hell be seen anywhere for long. using the xs4all remailer doesnt really help if you post the url to a web site which makes it clear who you are. nuala who thinks that the sad thing is he used frames much better than many sites done by supposedly sane people. -- out of the ash i rise/with my red hair/and i eat men like air - plath you were everything to me/for twenty minutes/ now id rather you would leave - baby chaos ......................................................................................... date sat 19 oct 1996 013626 +0100 from mike.monty@zetnet.co.uk to bu765@torfree.net subject praise hi totally excellent page. although i am a little confused whi is being percecuted cheers michael mike.monty@zetnet.co.uk ......................................................................................... 6448 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : roy

roy wrote if it is a forced air setup the engines gotta be modified and should be at about 5500 or better rpm and have a speed better than 75mph.to assist the cold air such as it is to the intake imo. roy what is your point are you saying that the old fashioned air cleaners that sat above the engine and drew hot air from inside the engine compartment is just as good as a ducted system that pulls in air from outside as is any performance increase you might realize in a stock engine. cold air from outside the engine compartment can give gains on many vehicles which when stock pull hot air from inside the engine compartment. .

From : roy

roy wrote where is this cold air coming from usually from the engine compartment. how about outside the engine compartment if it is a forced air setup the engines gotta be modified and should be at about 5500 or better rpm and have a speed better than 75mph.to assist the cold air such as it is to the intake imo. anyway no matter where it gets the air it travels through a tube that is hot as hell yes but depending on the material used any transfer of heat in the split second the air travels through the tube is negligible. as is any performance increase you might realize in a stock engine. .

From : roymiles

snoman wrote hemis can be real gas hogs. engine with torque peaks above 4000 rpm are seldom their most efficent at lower rpms and this engine is one of them. bull! the 5.7l hemi gets better mpg than the weaker 5.9l it replaced along with considerably more power. ive owned both. .

From : roy

how manny miles 192k due to emission regs it is required to replace the pvc valve replace the egr valve clean the pvc valve. befor the light can be reset. manual says to connect dbrii scan tool follow the powertrain diagnostic procedures .

From : fmb

suddenly without warning tbone exclaimed 8/17/2007 125 pm the best part of this system will be that the irs can be reassigned from harassing people who are working to live the american way and put them to the task of using those same skills to ferret out terrorists and other dangers to society. which tends to be the norm in this group which helps to keep it interesting. had to laugh. i have an add-on in thunderbird that collapses quotes from previous posts. in this post kyhighlanders quoted text above collapsed to simulated + the best part of the system will be that the irs can be terrorists and here i though they already were. sorry couldnt resist jmc .

From : tbone

my 04 hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best and not a heck of alot more on the highway. i have modified it as follows. k&n cold air intake system gibson dual extreme exhaust system. tonneau cover. i did add a set of bfg all terrain ta/ko tires. the tires are 265 size up from 245 70/17 i think about an inch taller and inch wider. i dont go peeling out at lights or really pushing it. is this common or should i be checking something truck has about 35k on the speedo. its a beautiful truck but gas mileage sucks big time. .

From : miles

i have a rollback aluminum cover on mine and really didnt notice much of a difference. what it did do however is make the sliding rear window just about useless at highway speeds as it does get loud. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving azwiley1 wrote get a bed cover hard or soft as they both decrease the drag and should some testing claims they do increase the mpg but as miles and roy said the increase will be minimal. i know i read about tests done with a camper shell. it did reduce the drag but the increased weight offset any gains. dont know about a bed cover but leaving the tailgate down wont help. i have read an exception to this. when towing a typical rv trailer some slight reduction in drag occurs with the tailgate down. dont know if its specific to tts or fws or what. .

From : azwiley1

this economy could go either way at this point and the next election could be critical. dont know what tax increases would do to the economy at this point tax cuts either. tax cuts are truly effective when the most money goes to the most people and that simply doesnt happen with flat tax cuts. huckabee is the only one who is advocating a total change in the tax system. that may be what it takes at this point. scrapping the current tax system and adopting a sales tax based system will make our exports cheaper which will improve the trade deficit. you will have your entire paycheck to spend rather than just the half or so they allow you to keep. there is a $.40 per dollar tax built into the price of all the goods and services you are currently paying for which will lower the price of those goods and services by about that amount. the tax that is being discussed will be about $.30 per dollar so the actual price of things will be about the same. that type of system will simply not work and much of what is said about it is just blowing smoke. you mentioned a 40% tax built into the price of all goods and services we are currently paying for. what makes you think that will change at all companies like to make

From : roy

azwiley1 wrote get a bed cover hard or soft as they both decrease the drag and should some testing claims they do increase the mpg but as miles and roy said the increase will be minimal. i know i read about tests done with a camper shell. it did reduce the drag but the increased weight offset any gains. dont know about a bed cover but leaving the tailgate down wont help. i have read an exception to this. when towing a typical rv trailer some slight reduction in drag occurs with the tailgate down. dont know if its specific to tts or fws or what. . 222 338238 1187318816.043999.251850@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com on aug 16 608 pm roy r...@fhome.net wrote does anyone actually know if a vented tailgate actually helps increase gas mileage any if so by how much any information would be greatly appreciated thanks. shane what miles said. save your money. it is a truck get a bed cover hard or soft as they both decrease the drag and should some testing claims they do increase the mpg but as miles and roy said the increase will be minimal. .

From : miles

in response to ed h. s post. i thought everyone should know the overhead display mpg is known to be inaccurate use real world miles traveled vs. gallons burned. yes they are but this one sounds close enough to me. my 8.0l got about 8 to 10 mpg 11 if i was real nice.....but yall know me im not that nice = several friends with the 5.2 and 5.9 are claiming the same neighborhood up to 13mpg so 10 out of a hemi wouldnt surprise me much. oh yea best my wifes durango ever did was 15 on a long trip at 60 to 65 mph on the interstate. 13 with her long trips to work was the average. sorry just my eperiance. -- chris .

From : shane

the overhead display mpg is known to be inaccurate use real world miles traveled vs. gallons burned. the good folks at the local dodge dealership foss motors in exeternh reset the computer for the new tires. at a cost of $40-50.00 im getting my info from the overhead computer. the truck runs good and has plenty of power. does anyone know if the computer they use to reset the trucks computer is the same one that other garages have or is it a propriety system that only dodge has for dodge vehicles. he plugged it in under the dash. ill also check for info at www.dodgetruckworld. im a member of the nh chapter. thanks hpage3 howard page wrote my 04 hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best and not a heck of alot more on the highway. i have modified it as follows. k&n cold air intake system gibson dual extreme exhaust system. tonneau cover. i did add a set of bfg all terrain ta/ko tires. the tires are 265 size up from 245 70/17 i think about an inch taller and inch wider. i dont go peeling out at lights or really pushing it. is this common or should i be checking something truck has about 35k on the speedo. its a beautiful truck but gas mileage sucks big time. if your tires are an inch taller than stock you are travelling farther than what the odometer says and faster than what the speedometer says. your mileage probably isnt quite as bad as you think. -- ken .

From : roy

on aug 17 1048 am azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on aug 17 850 am shane irishdrinkingt...@gmail.com wrote on aug 16 705 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote shane wrote does anyone actually know if a vented tailgate actually helps increase gas mileage any if so by how much any information would be greatly appreciated thanks. decades old question that has been long since answered. a tailgate down or removed will actually increase the trucks drag rather than the expected decrease. in tests i have seen the resulting mpg change is negligible. if your intent is to increase mpg then youd be wasting your money with a vented tailgate. if anything it would go down but more likely no measurable difference. thanks to everyone who responded it really helps with a new baby. i dont want to be spending any extra money if its not going to help me save any money in the long run. what is everyones thoughts on a k&n http//www.knfilters.com/ products would anything like that help me get more mpg or would that be just a waste of money too i really dont care too much about the mpg if if its a drastic increase i wouldnt mind adding it to the truck. i used to have a diesel and i was putting $90+/- a week into it now im on

From : azwiley1

does anyone actually know if a vented tailgate actually helps increase gas mileage any if so by how much any information would be greatly appreciated thanks. shane what miles said. save your money. it is a truck i saw a vented tail gate the other day and i thought it was you roy. the tail looked like it had about 100 rounds through it. fmb btw i have the video on file of the 50 cal have an email addy hell post it here with the usual warning. roy .

From : shane

on aug 16 705 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote shane wrote does anyone actually know if a vented tailgate actually helps increase gas mileage any if so by how much any information would be greatly appreciated thanks. decades old question that has been long since answered. a tailgate down or removed will actually increase the trucks drag rather than the expected decrease. in tests i have seen the resulting mpg change is negligible. if your intent is to increase mpg then youd be wasting your money with a vented tailgate. if anything it would go down but more likely no measurable difference. thanks to everyone who responded it really helps with a new baby. i dont want to be spending any extra money if its not going to help me save any money in the long run. what is everyones thoughts on a k&n http//www.knfilters.com/ products would anything like that help me get more mpg or would that be just a waste of money too i really dont care too much about the mpg if if its a drastic increase i wouldnt mind adding it to the truck. i used to have a diesel and i was putting $90+/- a week into it now im only putting $60+/- a week and that has been saving me a lot of money already. unless you are or have made considerable mods to your engine you will see no gains for your money with it. even if it manages to give you the claimed 5 hp do you really think that you would even notice it with the size and weight of your vehicle if money is important then i would save the $60 or more that it costs by not buying it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : fmb

on aug 17 850 am shane irishdrinkingt...@gmail.com wrote on aug 16 705 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote shane wrote does anyone actually know if a vented tailgate actually helps increase gas mileage any if so by how much any information would be greatly appreciated thanks. decades old question that has been long since answered. a tailgate down or removed will actually increase the trucks drag rather than the expected decrease. in tests i have seen the resulting mpg change is negligible. if your intent is to increase mpg then youd be wasting your money with a vented tailgate. if anything it would go down but more likely no measurable difference. thanks to everyone who responded it really helps with a new baby. i dont want to be spending any extra money if its not going to help me save any money in the long run. what is everyones thoughts on a k&n http//www.knfilters.com/ products would anything like that help me get more mpg or would that be just a waste of money too i really dont care too much about the mpg if if its a drastic increase i wouldnt mind adding it to the truck. i used to have a diesel and i was putting $90+/- a week into it now im only putting $60+/- a week and that has been saving me a lot of money already. shane save your mon

From : shane

pure bullshit. . 222 338254 1187369199.729998.174100@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com you have a couple of options imo. realize it is a 4x4 truck with a hemi in it that sounds nice but gets shitty mileage and enjoy it. or dump it and by econo car. it is what it is. roy how dare you suggest that someone trade it in for something this simple! careful the net nanny is reading and may chastize you! .

From : miles

this is pretty much how the market was in the late 70s early 80s. i bought my first house in 1979 price was $16500 and the bank made me come up with a $5000 down payment. president carter exasperated this situation by printing money like it was nothing more than paper napkins. what has caused the problem is the exotic morgages that have been coming onto the market lately. these interest only morgages ie quicken loans ect.. was only one of the problems. also congress was leaning on the banks to make more minority loans to include all americans in the home ownership club. this ballooned the sub prime morgage problem now im not saying that blacks and hispanics are bad load risks but when you have to increase the number of loans to targeted ethnic groups then you have to lower the collateral standards in order to meet these targets. another popular thing was folks getting loans up to 125% of the purchase price this was even crazier. they are going to have to get much sticter with the banking regulations again and it is going to be painful. anyone remember the savings and loan crisis in the 80s this was caused by the same type of thing. back then there was very liberal tax laws concerning limited partnerships. congress and president reagan lowered the marginal tax rates on one hand but pulled the rug out from under these limited partnerships. the property values of these commercial properties dropped by about 50% sounds a little familiar and the savings and loans that had made the loans were stuck with properties that were only worth half of what the thrifts were into them for. this became a gold rush so to speak because the thrifts would do about anything to get them off the books before the fdic came in and took the properties. my father found a 30 acre farm in 82 that had been repossessed bank was into it for $140k. my father came in 10 days before the fdic was scheduled to take it from the bank he made a $40k offer. the loan officer knew he didnt have time to dick around in negotiations so he accepted the offer. no one can get a loan in 10 days though so we had to pool our resources to come up with the cash and then get a morgage after the deed was in his name. there will be a lot of folks that will loose everything and other folks will make out like bandits on this situation. opportunities arise when there is blood running in the streets so to speak. this economy could go either way at this point and the next election could be critical. dont know what tax increases would do to the economy at this point tax cuts either. huckabee is the only one who is advocating a total change in the tax system. that may be what it takes at this point. scrapping the current tax system and adopting a sales tax based system will make our exports cheaper which will improve the trade deficit. you will have your entire paycheck to spend rather than just the half or so they allow you to keep. there is a $.40 per dollar tax built into the price of all the goods and services you are currently paying for which will lower the price of those goods and services by about that amount. the tax that is being discussed will be about $.30 per dollar so the actual price of things will be about the same. the best part of this system will be that the irs can be reassigned from harassing people who are working to live the american way and put them to the task of using those same skills to ferret out terrorists and other dangers to society. whoa! i got really off topic there didnt i lol ky have any of you folks tried to sell a house or buy one in the past couple of months. it is a damn horror show! the banks are making it almost impossible for people to get a loan. even those with super credit. i could have sold my house in ma a dozen time but everybody has to sell their house first and 1st home buyers cant get a loan.things are about paralyzed. blame it on what or whoever things are pretty much fucked. a large lowes distributing warehouse here in fl just laid of over 200 people cause of the lack of people being able to get a home improvement loan or a construction loan. this is the new trickle down economy. im done venting. roy .

From : miles

roy wrote your splitting hairs miles i said the drive the truck for a hour. drive it longer. the continueing heat transfer is still there. no where is the velocity comeing from. the heat would have to transfer through the tube wall fast enough to be able to heat the air passing through it in the time that air spends in the tube. it makes no difference if you drove an hour or 5 hours. miles you continue to ignore the question. you say it is moving fast enough to cool the tube and keep it cool. where are you finding all this velocity .

From : miles

roy wrote but the heat will continue to penetrate the tube heating the air. probably end upat about the same temp as the stock system or darn close to it.. it would have to penetrate at a rate fast enough to heat the air in the time it takes for that air to pass through it. plastic does not conduct heat very well. it takes time. one hour or 5 hours wont make a difference. i dont think you grasp thermal dynamics in heat transfer. what matters is the rate of heat transfer through the tube wall along with the amount of time the air spends in contact with the tube. what i do grasp is that it will make not enough of a difference on a stock truck to justify the cost of it. .

From : roy

roy wrote but the heat will continue to penetrate the tube heating the air. probably end upat about the same temp as the stock system or darn close to it.. it would have to penetrate at a rate fast enough to heat the air in the time it takes for that air to pass through it. plastic does not conduct heat very well. it takes time. one hour or 5 hours wont make a difference. i dont think you grasp thermal dynamics in heat transfer. what matters is the rate of heat transfer through the tube wall along with the amount of time the air spends in contact with the tube. .

From : roy

roy wrote your splitting hairs miles i said the drive the truck for a hour. drive it longer. the continueing heat transfer is still there. no where is the velocity comeing from. the heat would have to transfer through the tube wall fast enough to be able to heat the air passing through it in the time that air spends in the tube. it makes no difference if you drove an hour or 5 hours. .

From : tbone

subject re is mi5 persecuting mike corley groups uk.politics.miscuk.netuk.miscuk.legal followup-to uk.politics.miscuk.netuk.miscuk.legal references newt.843523097.30215.apascoe@apascoe.patrol.i-way.co.uk dyadyg.8ik$ organization toronto free-net distribution wooding@cf.ac.uk wrote in summary for there to be a serious possibility that mike corleys allegations are true there needs to be evidence of two things. firstly there must be evidence of subversive activity on his part. secondly there needs to be evidence of mi5 taking measures to counter this subversive activity in proportion to the magnitude of the threat posed. upon reading mike corleys posts alan what about the following scenario mi5 conducts experiments including field trials of novel surveillance methods. say there was a research project underway to see just how invasive a surveillance of an individual could be. perhaps it wasnt research perhaps it was for training of novice personnel. either way there is a sizeable risk of detection. in order to minimise the consequences of this you choose someone who is out of the public eye and if possible someone whose credibility is already damaged - by diagnosis of schizophrenia for example. this will facilitate the plausible denial if something goes wrong. i think this would be closer to mikes theory. mike if you are reading please dont post the story again. anyone can read it at snip if they are interested. also dont think that i actually *believe* the above. on cost alone it is extremely unlikely to be true and some elements of the story people in the media being in on it are just too crazy though i can see how the paranoia builds to the extent that you can see them everywhere. my argument is that the fact that its so totally crazy is what makes it so plausible and so hard to prove. i shall continue to try to find ways to kick down the house of cards. because it is a brittle structure. it only needs one person to corroborate and then its all over. p.s. anyone else ever thought of what-ifs along the same lines i remember as a boy daydreaming that maybe i was the focus of national attention in a lets follow the life of one person from life to death study - that while i was out or in bed there were programmes on the television about my life so far etc. it makes for a good fiction perhaps mi5 have become victims of their own paranoia. their agency has been thought of as acting disreputably so when their decision arrives they dont think twice about breaking the law. whereas say csis the canadian equivalent is at pains to point out how it would never ever do anything in contravention of the law and how it is strictly controlled in what it does and how it does it. if this matter does ever make it into the public gaze then it wont just be a few individuals in the media or security service wholl get hit. the uk is supposed to be a civilized democratic country east germany called themselves a democracy and they had the stasi but anyway. in a civilized country these things shouldnt be happening - and it is ultimately parliament and the government who are answerable for not imposing sufficient restraints and accountability on those who are supposed to be ensuring security for citizens not jeopardising it. ...................................................................... 4002 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : tbone

from jon jon@jongru.demon.co.uk groups uk.miscuk.legaluk.politics.miscalt.politics.britishuk.media subject surveillance date wed 31 jul 1996 232019 +0100 organization - lines 29 distribution world message-id wiznbgajw9$xewtw@jongru.demon.co.uk references 105319z26071996@anon.penet.fi 4tfo1f$rvc@morgana.netcom.net.uk nntp-posting-host jongru.demon.co.uk x-nntp-posting-host jongru.demon.co.uk mime-version 1.0 x-reader turnpike version 1.12 nqylm4ixrmtu60uhtpa$08ppe9 writes an410901@anon.penet.fi wrote ... normal surveillance mini-cameras are quite noticeable and require visible supporting circuitry. it seems to me the best place to put a small video surveillance device would be additional to a piece of electronic equipment such as a tv or video. i would imagine it is quite easy to compleatly hida a camera even in a familar enviroment such as a persons home. you only need a hole the size of a pin hole for the camera to see through. this is true. i frequently employ private detectives to spy on people theres a good reason for this and ill tell you if you guess correctly and one such detective showed me the latest technology only last week. a small rucksack. one strap of the rucksack has a tiny hole in it that you wouldnt notice unless someone pointed to it. thats the camera the wires lead into the rucksack itself where there is a video tape recorder little bigger than a walkman. i dont know if thats what roger cook uses but it certainly explains why it is that the subject can look straight into the lens and not realise shes being filmed. now i say latest technology and i think thats the technology that the police use as well as the retired police who become private detectives but no doubt the security services have far more sophisticated equipment. -- jon 2779 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : tbone

miles you continue to ignore the question. you say it is moving fast enough to cool the tube and keep it cool. where are you finding all this velocity pardon me for butting in here but lets take your stock run-of-the-mill 360. lets give it an 85% volumetric efficiency ratio. therefore every 2 revolutions its moving 85% of 360 cubic inches of air or 306 cubic inches. round that off to 300 cubic inches. im on vacation this week and theres no way im going to the shop to get a scanner but if one of you guys with a scanner in your back pocket would check the reading of the intake air temp sensor youd have an answer to the question. im betting its hotter than you think.. im sure that it is with a stock setup but lets not forget that the factory cai is not normally the most efficient on the planet. the plastics that they use are based more on a cost / endurance ratio with the main influence being on the cost. that same cost factor also sometimes leads to a fairly restrictive setup and in most of the factory setups the filter is contained in a box on or near the engine where it is subjected to much more heat transfer. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

bu765@torfree.net writes wasnt it documented that mi5 sometimes bought journalists and broadcasters i remember reading a report by some jouralist who had been offered an extra tax-free income by mi5 to become their covert mouthpiece and had refused. it was jon snow of channel 4. -- iain c*mmings - iain@cummings.demon.co.uk visit the fearful world of jimmy mcnulty - violent nutter! this web-site is not suitable for mature prudes. http//www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/7433/ ===================================================================== mouthpiece and had refused. it was jon snow of channel 4. was it reported in any of the papers it has been reported several times. the most recent was in private eye a few months back. as i recall they also wanted information from him; journalists would be a natural choice for members of the security service and the secret intelligence service for information sources. it might be interesting to see what he had to say regarding their attempt to recruit him. he was most concerned that many others would have accepted such an offer. however we can probably make an educated guess as to some of those who accepted nigel west rupert allason mp and chapman pincher would come near to the top of the list. -- / david boothroyd. socialist and election analyst. omne ignotum pro magnifico. british elections and politics at http//www.qmw.ac.uk/laws/election/home.html i wish i was in north dakota. next general election must be before 22nd may 97 the house of commons now c 324 lab 272 l dem 25 uu 9 pc 4 sdlp 4 snp 4 udup 3 ind 1 ind uu 1 spkrs 4. government majority = 1. telephone tate 6125. 1556 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access . 222 338342 46c99b09$0$18996$4c368faf@roadrunner.com roy wrote if you are talking about today by the time the cold air travels through the filter and through the hot tube to the tb it is no longer cold that simply isnt true at all. really yea really. what does the tube cool it no it shields it from the heat in the engine compartment which is the reason its there to begin with. for that to happen heat would have to conduct rapidly through whatever material was used for the duct. it is already hot from the air that it surrounds it. the tube may be hot on the outside but since they dont conduct heat very well they are cooler on the inside. you would be correct for some of the cheaper thin walled plastic that could conduct heat. however the better styles are double walled or made of thicker materials that dont conduct heat all that well. the air is traveling through the duct much too fast to heat up appreciably. let me try again. the material that the tube is made from is going to aquire the same temp. that the rest of the engine does or darn close to it. if you are talking about the outside of the tube then you are probably correct. im talking about the air in the engine compartment under the hood where the tube is surrounded by air which is well over 120 degrees. then you are correct as that is also the temp on the ouside of the tube. that heat will transfer through the walls of the tube so that the inner wall that the air is passing through is also the same temp. now this is where you are wrong. heat transfer thru some plastics is very inefficient and that is a desired trait for air tube being used to funnel cold air thru a hot engine compartment. wtf is this thing part of the space shuttle gif the tube is under the hood for a hour at at normal operating temp are you trying to tell me the inside of the tube is cool yep because cool air if flowing thru it and is taking away the small amount of heat that the pipe is conducting from the outside. now you introduce air that has already been slowed by the hot filter and then has to proceed through the tube to the tb. again you are making invalid assumptions. in most of these kits the filter is on the beginning of the duct and usually near a point of cold air entry and shielded from the engine heat which makes it the coolest part of the system. and at the filter the air is slowed down. the air filter doesnt slow it down all that much. the engine is an air pump and has to have a certian amount of air to run. we have had this discussion many times with based around k&n filters. even if the air is slowed down by the filter as you say the filter is at the same temp as the incomming air so no heat is added by it. seeing as it isnt a forced air induction there isnt a heck of a lot of velocity moving it. what makes you believe that this air is moving so fast that it wont pick up heat from whatever it travels through it is not a matter of the air picking up heat it is a matter of how m

From : miles

denny wrote im on vacation this week and theres no way im going to the shop to get a scanner but if one of you guys with a scanner in your back pocket would check the reading of the intake air temp sensor youd have an answer to the question. im betting its hotter than you think.. ive done this. i see about a 5-10 degree differential. .

From : tom lawrence

steve lusardi wrote roy for all the wrong reasons you are correct. there will be no appreciable gain to offset the cost. in point of fact most oem air cleaners are much better than the aftermarket in cleaning the air being injested. this is especially true with the cummins in the dodge ram. cleaning the air wasnt the issue. cold air vs. hot air was. noticeable gains can be made in some vehicles by switching to a cai. .

From : miles

tom lawrence wrote miles you continue to ignore the question. you say it is moving fast enough to cool the tube and keep it cool. where are you finding all this velocity pardon me for butting in here but lets take your stock run-of-the-mill 360. lets give it an 85% volumetric efficiency ratio. therefore every 2 revolutions its moving 85% of 360 cubic inches of air or 306 cubic inches. round that off to 300 cubic inches. typical highway cruising rpm is about 2000rpm so were moving 300000 cubic inches of air per minute. now - heres where its going to get a little tricky but lets assume a k&n-style cold air intake. that tube is about what 4 in diameter and about oh... 4 feet long calculating the volume of that cylinder we get about 603 cubic inches pi * 2 squared * 48. that means we have to empty that cylinder about 498 times over per minute to feed the engines demand for air. therefore each molocule of air has to make the 48 journey in .12 seconds 60 seconds/498. that works out to about 22.7mph. so... how much heat do you think the cool 70-ish degree outside air is going to soak up from a thermoplastic tube going almost 23mph and sitting in there for just over a tenth of a second im betting... not too much. dang tom! i was gonna do all those calculations but couldnt find my slide rule. .

From : max dodge

roy wrote miles you continue to ignore the question. you say it is moving fast enough to cool the tube and keep it cool. where are you finding all this velocity lets take the 5.7l hemi for instance. what is the volume of air it would draw in each revolution .

From : roy

from mikecorleyfanclub@nuthouse.org old500 groups uk.miscuk.legaluk.mediaalt.radio.ukrec.arts.tv.uk.misc subject mc exposed as a fraud date sat 06 jul 1996 170105 gmt organization anti-nuts inc. lines 33 message-id 31de9b91.11926469@.dircon.co.uk references du4lqi.32o.0.bloor@torfree.net nntp-posting-host gw5-055.pool.dircon.co.uk x-reader forte agent .99e/16.227 sad confused and emotional disturbed mike corley wrote snip because he has made himself into a martyr and now he finds it impossible to back down. mikes big secret has now been exposed. he made everything up. every time mike makes allegations against the police mi5 tom-dick-and-harry etc. those organisations have taken people off vitally important work to ascertain whether or not there was any substance in mikes ranting allegations. when im told by someone who really does know such things that there was never any plot to get mike then i trust that person sufficiently enough to accept his word. the problem is mike has escalated matters to an extreme level and like many silly billys he will find it impossible to give up all his self created crap and to live a normal life. after all what can mike do now this crap has been exposed as untrue what new cause can mike dedicate himself to some might read that as who else can mike now start upsetting so mike write to john major c/o the private secretary 10 downing street london sw1a 2aa and ask the prime minister to help you. id normally disclose his fax numbers but if i did that you might jam up the lines with abusive postings just like you do here on usenet. is anyone interested in joining with me to do a mass e-mailing of protests to anon penet and to toronto free net in an attempt to flood their computer systems thus forcing them to seriously consider pulling the plug on mike im not sure but is my proposal called a flame ====================================================================== from bigears@technocom.com big ears. groups uk.miscuk.legaluk.mediaalt.radio.ukrec.arts.tv.uk.misc subject re mc exposed as a fraud date sat jul 6 173446 1996 john youles commented ive found that torfree.net dont respond perhaps if they got a high enough number of complaints they might take notice. see their web pages for email addresses. perhaps we should give mike 7 days from today 6 july 96 to come to his senses and they start a massive multiple e-mailing campaign to toronto free net. if all us victims send multiple copies of e-mails to the right addresses in toronto then perhaps the canadians will begin to get the appropriate message. copy e-mailed to mike just so he knows what is coming if he persists. big ears. posted to uk.misc ================================================================== please think of the people sleeping in shop doorways every night ================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------- subject im wasting mi5s time! i should be arrested! groups uk.miscuk.legalrec.arts.tv.uk.miscalt.journalismalt.journalism.print$ organization toronto free-net summary keywords its such a pity that the security service has no powers of arrest. how are they supposed to implement a proper secret police state without the ability to snatch joe citizen off the street whenever they feel like it old500 aka big ears aka pc plod wrote every time mike makes allegations against the police mi5 tom-dick-and-harry etc. those organisations have taken people off vitally important work to ascertain whether or not there was any substance in mikes ranting allegations. i see. so theyre not wasting six years of manpower to persecute you. theyre wasting six years of manpower to prove im not being persecuted. i wish i was clever enough to think of something like that. i really really do. when im told by someone who really does know such things that there was never any plot to get mike then i trust that person sufficiently enough to accept his word. come on big ears why dont you admit that you made this posting this is exactly the same line you were feeding me a few months ago. the posts are from the same server its even the same reading software forte agent ..99e/16.227. im afraid that if you friend in the know denied the existence of a plot then he was being as they say economical with the truth. judging by the extreme reaction in london in may and the panic youre showing now as well as the replay post yesterday i would say that things are hotting up again. but for you this time not for me. i am out of harms way and there is very little you can do as long as i stay out of the uk. 333 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadb

From : roy

so... how much heat do you think the cool 70-ish degree outside air is going to soak up from a thermoplastic tube going almost 23mph and sitting in there for just over a tenth of a second im betting... not too much. all of which explains why a cold air intake works.... with damn near anyone using one finding at least a difference in engine temp if not power as well. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author miles you continue to ignore the question. you say it is moving fast enough to cool the tube and keep it cool. where are you finding all this velocity pardon me for butting in here but lets take your stock run-of-the-mill 360. lets give it an 85% volumetric efficiency ratio. therefore every 2 revolutions its moving 85% of 360 cubic inches of air or 306 cubic inches. round that off to 300 cubic inches. typical highway cruising rpm is about 2000rpm so were moving 300000 cubic inches of air per minute. now - heres where its going to get a little tricky but lets assume a k&n-style cold air intake. that tube is about what 4 in diameter and about oh... 4 feet long calculating the volume of that cylinder we get about 603 cubic inches pi * 2 squared * 48. that means we have to empty that cylinder about 498 times over per minute to feed the engines demand for air. therefore each molocule of air has to make the 48 journey in .12 seconds 60 seconds/498. that works out to about 22.7mph. so... how much heat do you think the cool 70-ish degree outside air is going to soak up from a thermoplastic tube going almost 23mph and sitting in there for just over a tenth of a second im betting... not too much. .

From : tom lawrence

miles you continue to ignore the question. you say it is moving fast enough to cool the tube and keep it cool. where are you finding all this velocity pardon me for butting in here but lets take your stock run-of-the-mill 360. lets give it an 85% volumetric efficiency ratio. therefore every 2 revolutions its moving 85% of 360 cubic inches of air or 306 cubic inches. round that off to 300 cubic inches. im on vacation this week and theres no way im going to the shop to get a scanner but if one of you guys with a scanner in your back pocket would check the reading of the intake air temp sensor youd have an answer to the question. im betting its hotter than you think.. denny .

From : roy

roy for all the wrong reasons you are correct. there will be no appreciable gain to offset the cost. in point of fact most oem air cleaners are much better than the aftermarket in cleaning the air being injested. this is especially true with the cummins in the dodge ram. steve roy wrote but the heat will continue to penetrate the tube heating the air. probably end upat about the same temp as the stock system or darn close to it.. it would have to penetrate at a rate fast enough to heat the air in the time it takes for that air to pass through it. plastic does not conduct heat very well. it takes time. one hour or 5 hours wont make a difference. i dont think you grasp thermal dynamics in heat transfer. what matters is the rate of heat transfer through the tube wall along with the amount of time the air spends in contact with the tube. what i do grasp is that it will make not enough of a difference on a stock truck to justify the cost of it. .

From : roy

miles you continue to ignore the question. you say it is moving fast enough to cool the tube and keep it cool. where are you finding all this velocity pardon me for butting in here but lets take your stock run-of-the-mill 360. lets give it an 85% volumetric efficiency ratio. therefore every 2 revolutions its moving 85% of 360 cubic inches of air or 306 cubic inches. round that off to 300 cubic inches. typical highway cruising rpm is about 2000rpm so were moving 300000 cubic inches of air per minute. now - heres where its going to get a little tricky but lets assume a k&n-style cold air intake. that tube is about what 4 in diameter and about oh... 4 feet long calculating the volume of that cylinder we get about 603 cubic inches pi * 2 squared * 48. that means we have to empty that cylinder about 498 times over per minute to feed the engines demand for air. therefore each molocule of air has to make the 48 journey in .12 seconds 60 seconds/498. that works out to about 22.7mph. so... how much heat do you think the cool 70-ish degree outside air is going to soak up from a thermoplastic tube going almost 23mph and sitting in there for just over a tenth of a second im betting... not too much. .

From : denny

subject re fanatics fare for the common man groups uk.miscuk.mediauk.legaluk.politics.misc followup-to uk.miscuk.mediauk.legaluk.politics.misc references ds0l1o.bmf.0.bloor@torfree.net adcf291096681f4e@cara.demon.co.uk organization toronto free-net distribution peter ceresole peter@cara.demon.co.uk wrote bu765@torfree.net mike corley quoted a typical overblown bernard levin piece which sounds exactly like any number of other pieces by levin over the past thirty years. he then goes on to draw an anguished parallel with a totally unrelated incident that had happened between him and a friend a few days earlier. it is in the same style as his other pieces but its so close to what actually happened a few days previously that its completely reasonable to assume that someone told levin about the meeting hammed it up a little bit and motivated him to write that article. look at the parallels; 1. madman running loose about london 2. its about a meeting which took place recently 3. the police are called he must be controlled however much that consumes in resources 4. he might be violent approach with caution yes were laughing but really were afraid of him or is it perhaps our own propaganda that were letting manipulate us 5. he bursts into tears and swears its all true - and it is a very exaggerated impression of the conclusion of that meeting dont worry if you dont believe me neither my friend to whom i explained this nor my gp believe me either until the friend found out otherwise!. if someone just presented this to you as i am presenting it now then i wouldnt find it credible most likely so its not until you actually find out its true that you can find it credible. and by then its too late because theyve got you in their trap and explained how funny the abuse is. 1556 -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : steve lusardi

subject re mi5 please can someone explain whats going on here groups uk.misc references 4l1khm$4cn@utopia.hacktic.nl 4l2lhj$6h6@big.shef.ac.uk organization toronto free-net distribution david stretch dds@leicester.ac.uk wrote iain l m hotchkies iain@hotch.demon.co.uk wrote the remote possibility remains that mike corley is either not schizophrenic but is pretending to be so or he is a product of a number of persons psychology students. given other ways in which i have seen people exploit some of the internets capabilities to disrupt or indulge in sophistry or to exploit a medium that resembles speech without the non-verbal and intonation cues etc as a means of denigrating others i question your use albeit in quotes of the word remote. im not saying it isnt remote and therefore it is great im just saying that i dont think we can easily classify it as remote moderate or great. i think you can build up quite a good picture based on what someone says and on their posting patterns. i dont think the internet capitals no less is as opaque a medium as you make it out to be. it is not easy to determine the validity of all information on the internet without making use of extra supplementary information. we do have the problem pointed out by someone else of the possibly too perfect textbook characteristics of what is being posted. i explained that one but i dont mind explaining it again you dont mind having it explained again to you do you now. the reason my symptoms are such a perfect fit to the textbook is because the people causing the campaign fitted me up in such a way that what they did would resemble the symptoms of schizophrenia. hence tv radio other media people in the streets etc. by a fortunate coincidence for them these mthods of harassment are the ones which offer easiest channels of access for them. its really quite neat. all it takes is for people to start believing that the symptoms arent symptoms but reality though and the house of cards collapses in a heap. and there are lots of people now who knoiw full well what has gone on. if harrassment by email etc has happened by someone out of the country can a complaint be made that results in arrest or whatever upon that persons entry into the country an interesting point which mike may be able to inform us about as hes said he will be in the uk in a few weeks time. picture the scene at the airport; i arrest you for being mike corley and mailbombing people but my name isnt corley. who he mailbombing isnt illegal is it youd have to lock up a lot of people if sending annoying email was a crime er..... -- david stretch greenwood institute of child health univ. of leicester uk. dds@leicester.ac.uk phone+44 0116-254-6100 fax+44 0116-254-4127 ======================================================================== context-free parts of articles conversations and things-on-the-tv and assume they are meant for you. mike this is called paranoia. but thats the way real abuse works too. people interject words and phrases into what they say which they know will have meaning for the listener. and sometimes they make it obvious. the very first evening of my job in oxford we went for a drink with the technical director and a couple of other employees. the td said in an as-if aside to one of the others is this the bloke whos been on tv he said it directly in front of me and obviously meant mke to hear him saying it. the other person replied yes i think so. i think the subtext of what the td said was why are they bothering with him hes so insignificant why would they possibly want to spend the resources going after him and putting all that expensive technology in his home when there must be much better targets. the technical director was given to sometimes disrespecting people you see and in my case he couldnt see the point of anyone expending money on harassing me. ==================================================================== subject re treatment of schizophrenia groups uk.miscuk.legaluk.politicsalt.politics.british followup-to uk.miscuk.legaluk.politicsalt.politics.british references 153321z22041996@anon.penet.fi 4lge6r$p00@.ox.ac.uk organization toronto free-net distribution illtud daniel idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk wrote probably cos you come across as reasoned & articulate its a pity about the other stuff veracity is so unreasonable. pps. you should still see a doc again mike. doing so. trouble is all this mental-illness stuff provides camouflage for the harassment which is real. it alows people who otherwise would consider the harassment seriously to disregard it. it makes conversations with a lawyer or police brief when otherwise it would merit discussion. the point is that there are two possibilities happening here- 1. theres a large conspiracy of people out to get you for no other reason than that they have the

From : mike simmons

in response to mike simmons s post. i thought everyone should know roy wrote miles you continue to ignore the question. you say it is moving fast enough to cool the tube and keep it cool. where are you finding all this velocity lets take the 5.7l hemi for instance. what is the volume of air it would draw in each revolution the formula for any four stroke engine is cfm = cid x rpm x ve /3456 where cfm = cubic feet/minute cid = cubic inch displacement rpm= revolutions per minute ve = volumetric efficiency to calculate velocity thru the air intake system cfm/intake area in square feet this does not take into account the very minor loses due to friction. more fuel to the fire..... ;^ mike ok mr gasoline man................. what is the ve of a new hemi -- chris hmmmm... good question chris! i dunno but ill find out. mike .