V10 poor towing performance
From : Annonymous
Q: denny wrote yep...the big 5-0 today. now im officially a member of the old fart club. time to trade the dodge off on a golf cart. denny happy birthday! if your going to get a golf cart it may as well be one of these http//www.azcustomcarts.com/ -- ken .
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From : tbone
yes it is the intake plenum not the mainfold gasket as i originally stated. furthermore i was told that dodge fixed it with the new plenum gasket and bolts i bought from the dealer. should i get this new plate anyway as long as im this far into it i could wait another week or so in order to have a more secure fix. never heard of that being the result....however we all have heard of the the intake plenum cover failing and allowing oil to be pulled into the intake however. look here get this and i think youll be happy. http//www.hughesengines.com/partdetail.asppartid=11698 -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels ive been advised that the 5.9l engine can suffer a catastrofic failure of the intake manifold gasket around 100k miles because when it fails it will suck all the oil out of the engine in a very short time only a few minutes. its apparently related to the intake manifold bolts stretching and the guy at my dealers parts department knew about it dont know if there was a tsb. therefore i am in the middle of replacing the gaskets but found an unadressed step in the dodge service manual. the dodge factory service manual fails to mention that in order to pull the throttle body assembly i must either remove the fuel rails from the intake manifold and set them aside or remove the fuel inlet line which requires a special tool i found the snap-on part number in a different chapter of the manual. which is the best way to perform this repair assuming i will keep the vehicle for another 100k miles 1 buy the special tool to remove the fuel feed from the fuel rail. 2 remove the fuel rails from the intake manifold and replace any o-rings etc that may be required. .
From : tom lawrence
the 2004 model year connects all electrics via a can bus. the can bus transports data packets digitally. the entire instrument panel is driven by a microprocessor which receives the appropriately addressed data packets from the sensors. your error appears to be a flakey connection of this data bus. loose connector or corrosion in a connector. you will have to remove most of the plastic dash panels to remove the instrument cluster. then once you have access disconnect the large connectors and inspect. it is not difficult but it is a bit like a chinese puzzle. steve i have a 2004 dodge ram 1500. i have a problem with the instrument panel going hay-wire. all the lights come on and the odometer shows no bus the tachometer speedometer and other gauges flatline. i have checked the fuse box and no fuses appear to be burned out. anyone with an idea of the problem i have gone to mechanics and had diagnostics run and the only one with any answers was auto zone with codes u0155 and u0101. however i was told that the vehicle does not have and u error codes. i need some help figuring this out before i shell out $200 for the dealership to tell me it was a $1 problem. prejazz @ hotmail . com .
From : chris thompson
oh...and it wont happen in a few minutes....more like youll notice oil consumption between changes. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels never heard of that being the result....however we all have heard of the the intake plenum cover failing and allowing oil to be pulled into the intake however. look here get this and i think youll be happy. http//www.hughesengines.com/partdetail.asppartid=11698 -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels ive been advised that the 5.9l engine can suffer a catastrofic failure of the intake manifold gasket around 100k miles because when it fails it will suck all the oil out of the engine in a very short time only a few minutes. its apparently related to the intake manifold bolts stretching and the guy at my dealers parts department knew about it dont know if there was a tsb. therefore i am in the middle of replacing the gaskets but found an unadressed step in the dodge service manual. the dodge factory service manual fails to mention that in order to pull the throttle body assembly i must either remove the fuel rails from the intake manifold and set them aside or remove the fuel inlet line which requires a special tool i found the snap-on part number in a different chapter of the manual. which is the best way to perform this repair assuming i will keep the vehicle for another 100k miles 1 buy the special tool to remove the fuel feed from the fuel rail. 2 remove the fuel rails from the intake manifold and replace any o-rings etc that may be required. .
From : tom lawrence
no tom actually ist is the same beacuse a ctd uses a lower axle ratio than a hd gas truck again.... wrong! care to guess what the standard axle ratios are for a 2500/hemi vs. a 2500ctd vs. a 3500ctd heres a hint - theyre all the same. shhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont confuse him with facts. it will just mess the whole world up. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .
From : tbone
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From : tom lawrence
anyone using the tag or tag iii on their cummins does it improve performance as described on the website http//www.dieselpowerproducts.com/tag bob .
From : nosey
why not find it for yourself google is your friend search on knock sensor you might as well search for an illudium q-36 explosive space modulator as its also not found anywhere on a dodge v10. .
From : tom lawrence
on tue 22 aug 2006 160455 gmt bucky not@work.com wrote on tue 22 aug 2006 133036 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote please explain to me how a v10 retards its timing when using 87 octane fuel. if i have to explain it to you then you are really lost. ----------------- thesnoman.com please explain it to me im interested. why not find it for yourself google is your friend search on knock sensor dj and thats the trouble isnt it dodge doesnt use one. i guess the lack of response means im not getting an explanation i was looking forward to it. .
From : nosey
. 222 321046 1156342369.395332.248100@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com tom lawrence wrote sulphur does not act as a lubricant. however the process thats used to eliminate the sulphur also decreases the fuels lubricity. end result is the same but its how you get there that matters ah ... well i did mention that i was fuel ignorant. engine manufacturers have known about these coming changes for a while now and the injection pumps injectors etc. that rely on fuel for their lubrication are designed to work with the ulsd fuels. it shouldnt be a problem. after i posted i continued to search for articles on the matter and there is some agreement among many mechanics that the increased lubricity in bio-diesel if one were to run b20 20% bio and 80% ulsc makes up for the difference. yet cummins wont commit to anything greater than b5 on engines older than 2006. it will be intersting to watch it all unfold i suppose. meanwhile willie nelson put in couple of biowillie yes ... it is really called biowillie pumps b20 & b100 about 10 minutes from my house. im gonna give it shot. craig c. .
From : nosey
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From : bucky
on tue 22 aug 2006 205427 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote alright i am edumacated now that i have read more of snomans propaganda! a comment like that tell others how uneducated and close minded you realy are. knowledge if free to aquire and it is stupid not to expand it. a intelligent person considers info from all sources possible and then draws their own conclusuion after reviewing the info and not basing conclusion on source. ----------------- thesnoman.com how about you jump your ass back to the v 10 thread and answer the questions!! perhaps you will expand your knowledge. actually you should have some knowledge on a subject before you post. guess we wont be reading anymore of your bs .
From : tom lawrence
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From : roy
nope - another conversation he threw the towel in on. im surprised one other notable know-it-all hasnt shown up to bail him out. way to put the cheese on the trap max... .
From : trent
then what did the dealership replace when they replaces my knock sensor in my 2000 ctd dodge back in april youre joking right or did they really tell you that .
From : max dodge
hey speaking of that he hasnt said anything more in the diesel dakota thread either about the thermal reactors instead of catalitic converters has he nope - another conversation he threw the towel in on. there sure is a pattern here. .
From : chris thompson
does anyone have any information about how this new ultra low sulfur diesel that will be at the pumps starting very soon will impact the diesels like mine 2004 ram 2500 crd. i may not have a good grasp on fuel but it is my understanding the the sulfur content up to 500ppm currently in the diesel fuel we use is dropping to 15ppm. since sulfur acts as a lubricant i was wondering what impact if any it will have. craig c. 2004 ram 2500 crd 4x4 qc .
From : chris thompson
no i want hear this one too. you realize it doesnt have a knock sensor right i dont believe he does. but - as usual when confronted with facts that prove him completely wrong reference the gear-swap thread where he swore that dodge used a gm 8.25 ifs on the 3rd gen 1500s hell simply clam up and slink away.... hey speaking of that he hasnt said anything more in the diesel dakota thread either about the thermal reactors instead of catalitic converters has he -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .
From : chris thompson
glad you found something to work out for you. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. thanks for all the help.suggestions/flames... we bought a 95 blazer yesterday and it looks like it will be just what we need.. anybody wanna buy a nice 2001 dakota in california mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .
From : tom lawrence
no i want hear this one too. you realize it doesnt have a knock sensor right i dont believe he does. but - as usual when confronted with facts that prove him completely wrong reference the gear-swap thread where he swore that dodge used a gm 8.25 ifs on the 3rd gen 1500s hell simply clam up and slink away.... ... until the next outrageous claim of course. none of the dodge truck engines have a knock sensor prior to this century i would agree with you im sorry i should have clarified some. the engine family that existed with the v10 in the br/be trucks and prior did not. i was not thinking of current engine family with that statement. that was my error. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .
From : chris thompson
no i want hear this one too. you realize it doesnt have a knock sensor right i dont believe he does. but - as usual when confronted with facts that prove him completely wrong reference the gear-swap thread where he swore that dodge used a gm 8.25 ifs on the 3rd gen 1500s hell simply clam up and slink away.... .... until the next outrageous claim of course. none of the dodge truck engines have a knock sensor prior to this century i would agree with you .
From : chris thompson
none of the dodge truck engines have a knock sensor the v-10 or 5.9 v-8 didnt use them but the others did. as per the 03 fsm knock sensors are used only with 3.7l v-6 4.7l v-8 and 5.7l v-8 engines. on 3.7l v-6 and 4.7l v-8 engines the 2 knock sensors are bolted into the cylinder block under the intake manifold. on 5.7l v-8 engines 2 knock sensors are also used. these are bolted into each side of the cylinder block outside under the exhaust manifold. -- ken .
From : dj
that would be youre..................you are not your as in possession......sorry english cop on patrol................so much bantering here................ on tue 22 aug 2006 160455 gmt bucky not@work.com wrote on tue 22 aug 2006 133036 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote please explain to me how a v10 retards its timing when using 87 octane fuel. if i have to explain it to you then you are really lost. ----------------- thesnoman.com please explain it to me im interested. why not find it for yourself google is your friend search on knock sensor your missing the point. roy dj .
From : bucky
on tue 22 aug 2006 160455 gmt bucky not@work.com wrote on tue 22 aug 2006 133036 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote please explain to me how a v10 retards its timing when using 87 octane fuel. if i have to explain it to you then you are really lost. ----------------- thesnoman.com please explain it to me im interested. why not find it for yourself google is your friend search on knock sensor your missing the point. roy dj .
From : snoman
on tue 22 aug 2006 160455 gmt bucky not@work.com wrote on tue 22 aug 2006 133036 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote please explain to me how a v10 retards its timing when using 87 octane fuel. if i have to explain it to you then you are really lost. ----------------- thesnoman.com please explain it to me im interested. why not find it for yourself google is your friend search on knock sensor dj .
From : roy
even if you possibly had some good information to share and i doubt that very much it is lost in your total lack of ability to express yourself coherently in writing. on tue 22 aug 2006 004605 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote probably not... sno thinks all diesels are junk and the same amount of work can be done just as well with a gasoline engine geared like a winch. were fairly certain a diesel touched him inappropriately as a child and hes harboring repressed feelings of resentment and hatred. ^ se people like you are on some kind of trip that the get a fix by putting people down. i have been around diesels in farm machinery and construction equipment for about 40 years now have you i know deisel ins and outs and i have had several of them as loaners for several weeks at a time and have friend with them too. see what irks you guys is that you just cannot stand it when someone does not blindly follow the diesel fumes. i was pulling some wicked loads with gas trucks long before there was a oil burner in a pickup. while going to college in 70s i drove a c70 triaxle during summer months and breaks and it tiny 427 with a 20 speed had no trouble moving its 60k gvw around. the only thing that holds back some gas tow vehicle is axle ratios and nothing more. gear a gas motor properly for its power curve and load and it will pull anything you ask it too. sure it may use more gas but fuel costs less truck is about 6 k cheaper it weigh 400 to 600lbs less so it can carry more payload cheaper to maintain and insure and the list goes on. but see some of you diesel guys are just on hormones and not open to logic at all nor true cost involved too. i can co out to my gas burner when it is 20 below or colder and it will start instanly and smoothly and be able to drive off and heat up quickly until a oil burner and no stinky fumes hands from fuel and i can even not have to yell in a drive thru to be heard too. if you like them fine but not in my driveway only in the fields and such. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : tom lawrence
on tue 22 aug 2006 034950 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote to have his picture put on robby gordons car for his 50th beekeep ok im not a nascar fan who is robby gordon and what is on his car somehow i dont think i really want to know... denny he drives the no. 7 and his sponsor this week was menards/energizer. he had a pink wabbit on his car. beekeep how can he claim to not be a nascar fan but still sponsor a car and thats a big but fmb .
From : bob
hey speaking of that he hasnt said anything more in the diesel dakota thread either about the thermal reactors instead of catalitic converters has he nope - another conversation he threw the towel in on. .
From : tom lawrence
gill bentry gillbentry@hotmail.com wrote did some googling. i think the motori motor would give me what i want. id simply go out and buy a liberty but an suv particularly a small one wont cut it for me. now if they made a liberty *pickup* that would be another matter. motori is a division of detroit diesel. anyway thanks for the link! where did you see that they are part of detriot diesel ive looked on thier site and see no such mention. although gm daewoo appears to have leased use of 2 engine designs from them. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .
From : bryan
thats cuz illudium q-36 explosive space modulators are made from unobtanium. ;- ya mean the 37-syllable compound that uses carbon crystals suspended in a tungsten matrix 5 bonus points for citing the movie reference yeah - ive been meaning to pick some of that stuff up. .
From : donstaples
tom lawrence wrote why not find it for yourself google is your friend search on knock sensor you might as well search for an illudium q-36 explosive space modulator as its also not found anywhere on a dodge v10. thats cuz illudium q-36 explosive space modulators are made from unobtanium. ;- .
From : chris thompson
-- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. fmb wrote help! just added a 23 fifth wheel camper pulling it with a 1999 2500 v10. the trailer is only about 6500 pounds so i thought the v10 would have no problem towing it. the rig tows great on flat highway or small hills but on bigger hills it slows down to about 50 and just wont go faster. its an automatic and ive tried with the od off and on. gas mileage is about 11 highway unloaded 6 with the trailer. the truck runs great and unloaded its a rocket. 65000 miles been well maintained and other than the poor towing performance its a great truck. new mopar factory rebuilt trans at 50k it seems ok and has a nice firm shift. trans fluid is nice and clean. any ideas plugged cat i really want to keep this truck but cant do 2000 mile trips with this really crappy towing performance. thanks your best bet is to take the truck to the local dodge dealer after you pull out all your personal stuff and ask him to replace it with anything 03 and newer with a cummins 305hp or better. i just got back from a camping trip to hat creek mac and got 20 unloaded and 12 pulling an artic fox 24-5n 5th. second best and way far away from the best best is check to see if you have the right rear end for towing. milage will suffer but you may be able to pull the hills. fmb the math doesnt always add up. if he took his truck down to the dodge dealer and traded it for the exact same truck except with a cummins it would cost him about $9000. check the numbers on kbb.com. according to the numbers quoted here the diesel gets 16mpg towing and the v-10 gets 6. thats a big difference. and straight highway driving the diesel gets 21 and the gas 11mpg. again big difference; but i suspect thats worse case for the gas and best case for the diesel. nope my numbers were dead on what i see out of my truck with my driving habbits embarrased mustangs and all although there were fewer embarassed mustangs with the v10 because it just cost too much to do it *grin*. but how many gallons of fuel and how many miles do you have to travel to make up that $9k in towing miles its only about 30000 miles or so to break even. in straight highway driving its closer to 60k miles. and thats best case scenario on todays fuel prices. now youve got a truck that has 100-120k+ miles on it just to break even. the cummins will easily last twice that. but will the trans ball joints shocks brakes batteries there are 2 i dont think so. heck the original trans only lasted 50k and the current one is now 30% into its service life. now the break even point just gets further away. for some people that just doesnt make sense. rollink you take 2000 mile trips with your truck and trailer. how often 5 times a year ten once only plan to do it once and then never again i do a fair amount of towing with my small dakota. 5-6k# once or twice a month 200-400 miles at a time. gets terrible gas mileage while towing like 8. doesnt get much better when not towing. ive done the math and it certainly doesnt make sense for me to trade. otoh if i was towing a lot more weight or a lot more miles it might. you cant make a blanket statement that all truck owners are better off with a big honkin diesel. that just proves you havent done your homework. while true hes driving a v10 so its safe to say he bought the truck to tow and haul and with fuel prices the way they are if hes using the truck for what it was built for it would make sense to buy the diesel. if hes not using it for what it was built for then the 5.9 would have been a better choice. parts more readily avail and cheaper too. just my observation. -- .bob arrived 2006 fxdi red. 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged stolen 11/26/05 in denver 1hd1gel10vy3200010 co license j5822z 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .
From : roy
.. on tue 22 aug 2006 011916 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote that wasnt the question. so you have no real long term experience with one through my personal direct ownership no but through friends i know owned them and through my work and through some high level contacts i have at several dealersas well as many that i have driven i know about them well. likely better than you. better than someone who actually owned them worked on them and drove them daily under all conditions come on now if you actually believe that ive got a bridge ill sell you. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs .
From : bucky
on tue 22 aug 2006 133036 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote please explain to me how a v10 retards its timing when using 87 octane fuel. if i have to explain it to you then you are really lost. ----------------- thesnoman.com no i want hear this one too. you realize it doesnt have a knock sensor right none of the dodge truck engines have a knock sensor -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .
From : dimbo spams
that would be youre..................you are not your as in possession......sorry english cop on patrol................so much bantering here................ you are correct my little net nanny. i was too lazy to go for the additional 2 keys g on tue 22 aug 2006 160455 gmt bucky not@work.com wrote on tue 22 aug 2006 133036 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote please explain to me how a v10 retards its timing when using 87 octane fuel. if i have to explain it to you then you are really lost. ----------------- thesnoman.com please explain it to me im interested. why not find it for yourself google is your friend search on knock sensor your missing the point. roy dj .
From : roy
on tue 22 aug 2006 160455 gmt bucky not@work.com wrote on tue 22 aug 2006 133036 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote please explain to me how a v10 retards its timing when using 87 octane fuel. if i have to explain it to you then you are really lost. ----------------- thesnoman.com please explain it to me im interested. why not find it for yourself google is your friend search on knock sensor dj and thats the trouble isnt it dodge doesnt use one. .
From : nosey
on tue 22 aug 2006 133036 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote please explain to me how a v10 retards its timing when using 87 octane fuel. if i have to explain it to you then you are really lost. ----------------- thesnoman.com please explain it to me im interested. .
From : donstaples
on tue 22 aug 2006 133036 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote please explain to me how a v10 retards its timing when using 87 octane fuel. if i have to explain it to you then you are really lost. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : tom lawrence
rollink@aol.com wrote also any advise on what are the better or worse years for the ctd if i sell this for the cummins i dont want to make another mistake. thanks rollin watch out for the 53 block. http//www.cumminsdatabase.com/read.phpid=185 -- ken .
From : snoman
on tue 22 aug 2006 011916 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote that wasnt the question. so you have no real long term experience with one through my personal direct ownership no but through friends i know owned them and through my work and through some high level contacts i have at several dealersas well as many that i have driven i know about them well. likely better than you. okay you havent owned either truck so all your bs is strictly what you think. you also claim to know them better than i do even though i have owned both. i bet your a expert in everything you read about arent ya after reading all your posts i guess i can be a proctologist. think about it. i have been messing with all kinds of 4x4 for almost 40 years now and have owned about a dozen now and woked on many others too. see when i lot at a truck i lot at how it is built and designed for a engineering point of view from ground up not just at the style and interior as maybe over 90% do today. i can tell you how and why things work not if they are just pretty. how many trucks have you actually driven with a laptop hooked up to the obd2 port to plot the difference in timing curves and resulting air and fuel flow rates under different loads with different grades of fuel i will bet zero. i have done a lot and when some there is a big difference. yadayada more bs. what is this post your resume heres mine well occupation anyway. diesel locomotive mech. since 1972. i do know a bit about diesels but i dont have all the answers oh ive been messing around for over 4x4s for over 40 years so what there are folks here that are a lot sharper than i am. and for sure a hell of a lot sharper than you! maybe you will catch on to that. you have yet to answer my question. if your logic is correct what arent gas engines used in otr trucks roy .
From : snoman
on tue 22 aug 2006 034950 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote to have his picture put on robby gordons car for his 50th beekeep ok im not a nascar fan who is robby gordon and what is on his car somehow i dont think i really want to know... denny he drives the no. 7 and his sponsor this week was menards/energizer. he had a pink wabbit on his car. beekeep .
From : snoman
on tue 22 aug 2006 011916 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote that wasnt the question. so you have no real long term experience with one through my personal direct ownership no but through friends i know owned them and through my work and through some high level contacts i have at several dealersas well as many that i have driven i know about them well. likely better than you. i have been messing with all kinds of 4x4 for almost 40 years now and have owned about a dozen now and woked on many others too. see when i lot at a truck i lot at how it is built and designed for a engineering point of view from ground up not just at the style and interior as maybe over 90% do today. i can tell you how and why things work not if they are just pretty. how many trucks have you actually driven with a laptop hooked up to the obd2 port to plot the difference in timing curves and resulting air and fuel flow rates under different loads with different grades of fuel i will bet zero. i have done a lot and when some there is a big difference. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : big al
on tue 22 aug 2006 035616 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote i have driven both many times thats not what he asked... actually it is i guess math and looking at the big is not one of you strong points huh whiel bs is as deminstrated in your other comments in this thread. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : tom lawrence
on mon 21 aug 2006 102350 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote have you ever owned either configuration or are you just.................... i have driven both many times and i can do math can you ----------------- thesnoman.com that wasnt the question. so you have no real long term experience with one .
From : snoman
to have his picture put on robby gordons car for his 50th beekeep ok im not a nascar fan who is robby gordon and what is on his car somehow i dont think i really want to know... denny .
From : snoman
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From : roy
on tue 22 aug 2006 035527 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote with the lower compression of the v10 87 octane is not a problem. i ran heck still do 87 in my v10 in all but the hot summer months where i would notice a slight ping on wot acceleration with a mopar pcm which advances the timing. when i switched back to the stock pcm i couldnt get it to ping. so contrary to your belief and its just that - a belief as - with many other things - you have no first-hand experience to offer... just a bunch of pontifications half-truths and down-right rediculous claims 87 octane is not a problem in this engine. tom you are one of those stubborn 87 does all guy and you havre no understanding of octane requirements in modern engines at all and it shows big time. it is because of people like you that gasser get a bad rap sometimes. 87 does not provide the octane needed plan and simple and the timing has to be retards to tolerate it. if you would have pried open your wallet and used better fuel you ould have had a different opinion of it. one of the reasons that dodge killed it was because people such as your self were addicted to feeding it 87 towing and the engine would tend to ping and this ping even if not heard because ecm was keeping it a low level would cause valves to vibrate in seat and over time cause them to start to burn and fail. rather than up octane requirements in book officailly they tried a bit in 96 bit it proved to not really help much. 87 octane was not design for such usage but wnnabe experts such your self know better. i actually studied ic engine desgn and theory in college many years ago and wrote a few papers on it while pesuing a engineering degree so i am not just making this up as i good like most others do. ou simply cannot burn 87 octane in a big engine on a warm day under a heavy load without compromising spark timing a lot and in doing so you kill power and mpg a lot but you would know that too if you really had a clue about what you were talking about. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : roy
actually i have thought about buying a wrecked low mileage ctd truck and doing the swap i have the tools and ability to do it and i really like the truck other than the towing performance. ive been told the v10 trans will mate to the ctd does anyone know for sure about wiring harness fuel tank and other possible problems. if i did this i would buy a wrecked doner truck to make life much easier. if you get the same year truck or at least in the same body generation - ie. 94-97 or 98-02 and you get the complete engine electrical harness including the pcm - the computer that bolts to the pasenger firewall which is separate from the ecm which is the computer bolted to the drivers side of the diesel engine. the ecm runs the engine on those that have it - see below the pcm handles the transmission instrument panel pretty much everything but the engine operation everything should pretty much plug together at the firewall. the fuel tank will be fine but youll either have to replace the fuel pump module with an empty module designed for a diesel which is just a pickup tube and a return line or make one yourself simple enough to do - couple of bulkhead fittings and just cap off the ports on the old module - itll do a good job of sealing up the big hole it would otherwise leave in the tank if you removed it. also any advise on what are the better or worse years for the ctd if i sell this for the cummins i dont want to make another mistake. well it would be easiest to work with a 94 to early 98 donor truck which came with the 12v 12 valve diesel engine. the engine is strictly mechanical give it +12v to the fuel shutoff solenoid crank it over and itll run meaning less wiring problems to deal with. no ecm to deal with and minimal wiring the fuel shutoff solenoid a tach wire somewhere and oil pressure and water temp sensors - thats about it. if you go this route research the killer dowel pin problem and make sure the engine you get either has this fix or fix it before putting it in the truck real simple to do when the engines on a stand. if you go with a late 98 to 02 donor truck youll have the 24v 24 valve semi-electronic engine. this engine has a little more electronics going on for example it has an ecm as the fuel injection is partially electronic but partially mechanical as well. it also has an electric lift pump the pump that pulls fuel from the tank and feeds it to the injection pump as opposed to the earlier mechanical pump cam-driven from the engine. given the two the 12v is a little more reliable and a little better on fuel economy. the 24v has the potential for more power because of the better-flowing head - though i get the sense youre not looking to build a competition sled-puller here. a lot depends on the state he lives in and their emissions control laws. in many states you have to have your vehicles smog checked. if so you cant easily swap engines. al .
From : bob
on tue 22 aug 2006 004605 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote probably not... sno thinks all diesels are junk and the same amount of work can be done just as well with a gasoline engine geared like a winch. were fairly certain a diesel touched him inappropriately as a child and hes harboring repressed feelings of resentment and hatred. ^ se people like you are on some kind of trip that the get a fix by putting people down. i have been around diesels in farm machinery and construction equipment for about 40 years now have you i know deisel ins and outs and i have had several of them as loaners for several weeks at a time and have friend with them too. see what irks you guys is that you just cannot stand it when someone does not blindly follow the diesel fumes. i was pulling some wicked loads with gas trucks long before there was a oil burner in a pickup. while going to college in 70s i drove a c70 triaxle during summer months and breaks and it tiny 427 with a 20 speed had no trouble moving its 60k gvw around. the only thing that holds back some gas tow vehicle is axle ratios and nothing more. gear a gas motor properly for its power curve and load and it will pull anything you ask it too. sure it may use more gas but fuel costs less truck is about 6 k cheaper it weigh 400 to 600lbs less so it can carry more payload cheaper to maintain and insure and the list goes on. but see some of you diesel guys are just on hormones and not open to logic at all nor true cost involved too. i can co out to my gas burner when it is 20 below or colder and it will start instanly and smoothly and be able to drive off and heat up quickly until a oil burner and no stinky fumes hands from fuel and i can even not have to yell in a drive thru to be heard too. if you like them fine but not in my driveway only in the fields and such. ----------------- thesnoman.com if your logic is correct why arent gas engines used in otr rigs or donkey engines hell locomotives .
From : napalmheart
the way i read fmbs advice he means that the whole truck should be replaced not doing a v10 to diesel conversion on the ops truck. is that the way youre reading it probably not... sno thinks all diesels are junk and the same amount of work can be done just as well with a gasoline engine geared like a winch. were fairly certain a diesel touched him inappropriately as a child and hes harboring repressed feelings of resentment and hatred. ^ .
From : tom lawrence
fmb wrote help! just added a 23 fifth wheel camper pulling it with a 1999 2500 v10. the trailer is only about 6500 pounds so i thought the v10 would have no problem towing it. the rig tows great on flat highway or small hills but on bigger hills it slows down to about 50 and just wont go faster. its an automatic and ive tried with the od off and on. gas mileage is about 11 highway unloaded 6 with the trailer. the truck runs great and unloaded its a rocket. 65000 miles been well maintained and other than the poor towing performance its a great truck. new mopar factory rebuilt trans at 50k it seems ok and has a nice firm shift. trans fluid is nice and clean. any ideas plugged cat i really want to keep this truck but cant do 2000 mile trips with this really crappy towing performance. thanks your best bet is to take the truck to the local dodge dealer after you pull out all your personal stuff and ask him to replace it with anything 03 and newer with a cummins 305hp or better. i just got back from a camping trip to hat creek mac and got 20 unloaded and 12 pulling an artic fox 24-5n 5th. second best and way far away from the best best is check to see if you have the right rear end for towing. milage will suffer but you may be able to pull the hills. fmb the math doesnt always add up. if he took his truck down to the dodge dealer and traded it for the exact same truck except with a cummins it would cost him about $9000. check the numbers on kbb.com. according to the numbers quoted here the diesel gets 16mpg towing and the v-10 gets 6. thats a big difference. and straight highway driving the diesel gets 21 and the gas 11mpg. again big difference; but i suspect thats worse case for the gas and best case for the diesel. but how many gallons of fuel and how many miles do you have to travel to make up that $9k in towing miles its only about 30000 miles or so to break even. in straight highway driving its closer to 60k miles. and thats best case scenario on todays fuel prices. now youve got a truck that has 100-120k+ miles on it just to break even. the cummins will easily last twice that. but will the trans ball joints shocks brakes batteries there are 2 i dont think so. heck the original trans only lasted 50k and the current one is now 30% into its service life. now the break even point just gets further away. for some people that just doesnt make sense. rollink you take 2000 mile trips with your truck and trailer. how often 5 times a year ten once only plan to do it once and then never again i do a fair amount of towing with my small dakota. 5-6k# once or twice a month 200-400 miles at a time. gets terrible gas mileage while towing like 8. doesnt get much better when not towing. ive done the math and it certainly doesnt make sense for me to trade. otoh if i was towing a lot more weight or a lot more miles it might. you cant make a blanket statement that all truck owners are better off with a big honkin diesel. that just proves you havent done your homework. -- ..bob arrived 2006 fxdi red. 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged stolen 11/26/05 in denver 1hd1gel10vy3200010 co license j5822z 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .
From : tom lawrence
blindly follow the diesel fumes. i was pulling some wicked loads with gas trucks long before there was a oil burner in a pickup. we know... we know.... uphill both ways 6 feet of snow.... in july... no shoes... gvw around. the only thing that holds back some gas tow vehicle is axle ratios and nothing more. gear a gas motor properly for its power curve and load and it will pull anything you ask it too. and stop at every gas station along the way too... sure it may use more gas yeah id say twice as much meets the definition of more but fuel costs less not around here.... truck is about 6 k cheaper by the time you fork over $12k in fuel 24000 miles at 3 bucks a gallon getting 6mpg youd have paid for that extra $6k it weigh 400 to 600lbs less negligible when talking about a 1-ton truck... and were talking about towing not hauling. cheaper to maintain nope - as has been shown here time and time again. the cost is the same or slightly less. and insure and the list goes on. your insurance asks what kind of engine you have funny.... i paid about the same per year on my 99 v10 when it was new as i did for my 03 cummins when it was new. they never asked about engine... body type number of doors yeah - engine nope. misrepresentation # 3194 by you if my count is correct. but see some of you diesel guys are just on hormones and not open to logic as soon as you present some logic well listen. too. i can co out to my gas burner when it is 20 below or colder and it will start instanly and smoothly you mean like i did with my diesel two winters ago okay - granted i had to wait about 6 seconds for the grid heaters to warm up. wow... ya got me there. 6 whole seconds. thats worth an extra $50k in extra fuel costs assuming the gas engine makes it to 200000 miles - we know the diesel will up quickly until a oil burner and no stinky fumes the only time ive smelled any stinky fumes from my truck is when i walk behind it when its idling. if you spend all day with your nose up your trucks tailpipe well.... hands from fuel dont make a mess and your hands wont stink. use the full service island if youre worried about mussing your manicure. i can even not have to yell in a drive thru to be heard too. i hit the drive-thru about once a week yeah i know... and they never have any trouble hearing me. course when that one sob in his bmw cut me off so he could get in line first he had a bit of trouble being heard.... probably something to do with my engine taching up to about 2700rpm.... gotta get that problem looked at. if you like them fine but not in my driveway only in the fields and such. i do - as do a number of others. you dont thats well established. but please stop with all the errant facts of yours. as several people have told you - a lot has changed with light-truck diesels in the past 10 years. .
From : snoman
on tue 22 aug 2006 004605 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote probably not... sno thinks all diesels are junk and the same amount of work can be done just as well with a gasoline engine geared like a winch. were fairly certain a diesel touched him inappropriately as a child and hes harboring repressed feelings of resentment and hatred. ^ se people like you are on some kind of trip that the get a fix by putting people down. i have been around diesels in farm machinery and construction equipment for about 40 years now have you i know deisel ins and outs and i have had several of them as loaners for several weeks at a time and have friend with them too. see what irks you guys is that you just cannot stand it when someone does not blindly follow the diesel fumes. i was pulling some wicked loads with gas trucks long before there was a oil burner in a pickup. while going to college in 70s i drove a c70 triaxle during summer months and breaks and it tiny 427 with a 20 speed had no trouble moving its 60k gvw around. the only thing that holds back some gas tow vehicle is axle ratios and nothing more. gear a gas motor properly for its power curve and load and it will pull anything you ask it too. sure it may use more gas but fuel costs less truck is about 6 k cheaper it weigh 400 to 600lbs less so it can carry more payload cheaper to maintain and insure and the list goes on. but see some of you diesel guys are just on hormones and not open to logic at all nor true cost involved too. i can co out to my gas burner when it is 20 below or colder and it will start instanly and smoothly and be able to drive off and heat up quickly until a oil burner and no stinky fumes hands from fuel and i can even not have to yell in a drive thru to be heard too. if you like them fine but not in my driveway only in the fields and such. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : tom lawrence
on mon 21 aug 2006 102350 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote have you ever owned either configuration or are you just.................... i have driven both many times and i can do math can you ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : tom lawrence
on mon 21 aug 2006 095255 -0400 chris thompson kf4drr-nospam@alltel.net wrote i disagree as i got rid of my v10 because of fuel milage and cost. 11 mpg city he must have a lighter foot than i do. mine was 10 best. 5 to 6 towing sounds about right. i would suspect a air flow problem possibly have it checked by someone who knows what they are looking at. or take the advice of fmb i would. i traded a 99 v10 for an 05 cummins powered ram and there is no comparison absolutively none!! 19 city and 21 highway is far better than 10 and 13 unloaded oh not to mention the 16 towing. yup thats right a full 10 miles to the gallon more towing is what im seeing out of cummins over my old v10. so yup it will pay for its self faster than you would think. especially with fuel at or over $3 a gal. i will bet that you fueled you v10 with 87 octane too. contray to popular belief it is not the best choice but many that do not understand octane and engine true requirement hang on to 87 for dear life and then complain about power power and mpg. sure it may never get great mpg but 89 octane is 30 cents cheaper than diesel here and diesel averaged abut 75 cents more a gallon last winter here and i expect the same this winter or higher still. so what are we saving here when you factor in truck option price too the v10 is likely one of the finest gas tow motors ever built when feed properly second only to a 8.1 maybe and way ahead of a higher hp rated hemi in towing power. i nearly bought a dodge 03 ext cab with a v10 and a 5 speed a few years ago. it was a very impressive truck power wise and would pull strongly from about 1000 rpm to past 4000 and never miss a beat. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : Annonymous
actually i have thought about buying a wrecked low mileage ctd truck and doing the swap i have the tools and ability to do it and i really like the truck other than the towing performance. ive been told the v10 trans will mate to the ctd does anyone know for sure about wiring harness fuel tank and other possible problems. if i did this i would buy a wrecked doner truck to make life much easier. if you get the same year truck or at least in the same body generation - ie. 94-97 or 98-02 and you get the complete engine electrical harness including the pcm - the computer that bolts to the pasenger firewall which is separate from the ecm which is the computer bolted to the drivers side of the diesel engine. the ecm runs the engine on those that have it - see below the pcm handles the transmission instrument panel pretty much everything but the engine operation everything should pretty much plug together at the firewall. the fuel tank will be fine but youll either have to replace the fuel pump module with an empty module designed for a diesel which is just a pickup tube and a return line or make one yourself simple enough to do - couple of bulkhead fittings and just cap off the ports on the old module - itll do a good job of sealing up the big hole it would otherwise leave in the tank if you removed it. also any advise on what are the better or worse years for the ctd if i sell this for the cummins i dont want to make another mistake. well it would be easiest to work with a 94 to early 98 donor truck which came with the 12v 12 valve diesel engine. the engine is strictly mechanical give it +12v to the fuel shutoff solenoid crank it over and itll run meaning less wiring problems to deal with. no ecm to deal with and minimal wiring the fuel shutoff solenoid a tach wire somewhere and oil pressure and water temp sensors - thats about it. if you go this route research the killer dowel pin problem and make sure the engine you get either has this fix or fix it before putting it in the truck real simple to do when the engines on a stand. if you go with a late 98 to 02 donor truck youll have the 24v 24 valve semi-electronic engine. this engine has a little more electronics going on for example it has an ecm as the fuel injection is partially electronic but partially mechanical as well. it also has an electric lift pump the pump that pulls fuel from the tank and feeds it to the injection pump as opposed to the earlier mechanical pump cam-driven from the engine. given the two the 12v is a little more reliable and a little better on fuel economy. the 24v has the potential for more power because of the better-flowing head - though i get the sense youre not looking to build a competition sled-puller here. .
From : roy
hey thanks for the reply. pressure makes sense cause i just found out this morning if i give it over 1/2 to 3/4 throttle it will shift down to 1st ... now to convince these other guys. i followed your url devilbrad.com to the forums there looks good ... thanks derek max dodge wrote its probably a fairly typical problem. the governor pressure sensor and the governor pressure transducer are not working correctly. the first thing they should have done was check to see if the pcm had the codes set for this malfunction. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author hi everyone i have a 2001 dodge ram 1500 slt 4x4 108000km 5.2l with the 4-speed automatic tranny. a while back i went through a total mess with the dealership i bought it from non-dodge the problem was that it wouldnt stay in overdrive. they replaced the overdrive solenoids the fluid and filter 3 ! times and then sent it to a tranny shop ... they cleaned the valve body and replaced the tps. still not fixed though better probably due to replacing the tps. anyhow it ended up at a 5-star chrysler dealer after they admitted they had no idea and the 5-star dealer reprogrammed the tcm problem solved. i know youre all thinking that should have been the first step. ok so even before the tcm was reprogrammed sometimes it would take off sluggish sometimes it would go sluggish then make a soft bang and take off normal. i thought the parking brake was stuck on. it turns out that it is not shifting in 1st gear! it does this almost all the time now. if i shift it manually no problems. any ideas what this may be i just want enough information to not get screwed over again. to me it sounds like a pcm/tcm issue but im no tranny genius. thanks! derek .
From : chris thompson
on mon 21 aug 2006 012549 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote your best bet is to take the truck to the local dodge dealer after you pull out all your personal stuff and ask him to replace it with anything 03 and newer with a cummins 305hp or better. i just got back from a camping trip to hat creek mac and got 20 unloaded and 12 pulling an artic fox 24-5n 5th. stupid idea. very stupid and expensive too and it will never ever pay for itself no matter how long you keep it. a well tuned and feed dodge v10 with proper gears will tow anything a stock cummins will. have you ever owned either configuration or are you just.................... .
From : snoman
rollink@aol.com wrote help! just added a 23 fifth wheel camper pulling it with a 1999 2500 v10. the trailer is only about 6500 pounds so i thought the v10 would have no problem towing it. the rig tows great on flat highway or small hills but on bigger hills it slows down to about 50 and just wont go faster. its an automatic and ive tried with the od off and on. gas mileage is about 11 highway unloaded 6 with the trailer. the truck runs great and unloaded its a rocket. 65000 miles been well maintained and other than the poor towing performance its a great truck. new mopar factory rebuilt trans at 50k it seems ok and has a nice firm shift. trans fluid is nice and clean. any ideas plugged cat i really want to keep this truck but cant do 2000 mile trips with this really crappy towing performance. thanks hey man dont tow in overdrive at least double check the owners manual ... i know mine says to explicitly not use overdrive for towing. i dont want to see you burn out your tranny ... laterpeace -derek .
From : Annonymous
denny wrote yep...the big 5-0 today. now im officially a member of the old fart club. time to trade the dodge off on a golf cart. denny hbd & welcome to the club denny. just remember youth and ability are overcome by age and treachery! wg bryan .
From : fmb
yep...the big 5-0 today. now im officially a member of the old fart club. time to trade the dodge off on a golf cart. denny hbd denny. did you get a new bunny suit today purdy soon you will be a fog friggin old guy. fmb .