UPDATE 4, Bad News -- Replacing rear bearings on a Dodge pickup?
From : ignoramus1162
Q: ignoramus1162 wrote i pulled the axle and installed a new torrington bearing and a new axle seal. i also put in a rare earth magnet on the bottom of the diff gear case. far from gears all of that went smoothly. despite that though the noise seems to have gotten a tad better here my senses could betray me but it did not go away and did not become qualitatively better. specifically the whining noise that happens when i let go of gas continues. thats frustrating. did you listen to the whining noise from inside the truck with the doors shut to offer a fair comparison to the noise you first heard some gear trains do whine naturally especially those which use spur gears but i seem to recall that all the gears i saw in your back axle were helical. the famous and now withdrawn routemaster buses in the city of london had a really distinct gearbox whine which continued pretty much all the time as i recall. best wishes chris .
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From : jim stewart
o yeah lots of penetrating oil has been used and and hes tried to gently kick it open. .
From : aarcuda69062
carl byrns carl.byrns@verizon.net wrote nice. do you make a lot of friends this way i have plenty of friends in fact it makes getting any work done quite a challenge sometimes. but i dont make friends with people who get huffy and puffy with me just because i have the balls to point out when theyre in error. .
From : tbone
after more thought it just hit me about your posts . . . . if the bible says anything negative about other religions although it actually ignores them except for the altar to the unknown god paul writes about then you accuse me of preaching . . .yet if you say anything negative about my beliefs you claim is discussion. what are you talking about budd what have i said that is negative about your beliefs another t-boneism. this time the denial part. how far back do you want to go tom you have derided me and my beliefs for a few years now. all my posts back as far as the archives retain still are there and still contain your statements. yep thats t-boneism thru and thru. once again more baseless accusations. once more a t-boneism. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
From : aarcuda69062
on wed 27 sep 2006 033554 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 26 sep 2006 154836 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote this is completely wrong. since the crush sleeve is located between the two bearings the amount the crush sleeve is actually crushed by the two bearings being forced together does affect the pinion depth. if this were not the case there would be no need to set the bearing pre-load before taking measurements. actually if i know that i might have to make multiple measurements and adjustments i set the preload and make them without the crush sleeve until i get it right. when you think about what bearing preload actually is you will understand. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving atually all the crusher sleeve does is keep the nut tight. and exactly how do you think it does that -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving if the sleeve wasnt there you would get too much preload on the pinion bearings causing them to overheat wear and fail. the nut would then become loose vibrate off and then you would really have problems. beekeep .
From : beekeep
sadly it appears that even though timken bearings are still being used as seen by others posts here cost cutting to keep the contract has degraded their quality as well. qc is expensive and cutting it down a notch can save significant $$$$ but their is a cost to doing it as seen with the increased failure rate or these rears. i can only hope that the replacement ones they sell to the open market are still of the same quality that they built their reputation on in the past but i have my doubts. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving chinese bearings instead of us made timkens -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams there is nothing wrong with the design budd what is wrong is the cost cutting in the parts such as in the bearings used to make them now. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving whats really odd in my opinion is the old 79 d-150 my son now drives has the 9.25 axle in it with over 400000 miles on it afaik. i put one set of outer bearings in it at just under 300000 otherwise untouched. so whats gone wrong with that axle design since 79 -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams thanks people! i checked the pinion depth and mesh pattern before removal so i have a good reference. i suppose i could just go for it and use a new shim of same thickness then install and recheck the depth. if it comes up short i could add shims behind the bearing race in the housing. if it comes up long i have a problem 50-50 chance! im glad i read about the problems people are having with pinion bearings here. i started to get the whine that at first sounded like tires. i figured that at 70k my gears should still be fine but after reading about early failures i blocked up the rear and ran it unloaded and in gear...ugh! just as a data point the truck is a 98 w/70k miles 2wd 5.8l 1500 and has towed the occasional heavy load but in general has been treated well. the only other problem has been an annoying coolant leak at the thermostat housing. -bruce -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
From : azwiley1
what preaching how about right after you said the bible teaches this is how just about every church service starts. only those that teach from the bible. you are correct and exactly what are the ones that are teaching from the bible doing how about preaching!!!! how many hundreds of times have you insisted in an argument with me that a definition is not fixed you say im preaching and i say im not. that is because you just dont want to admit to it but you are really not please explain exactly what you are doing. miles and i were discussing a point about my beliefs as compared to his. i gave some reference information. and that was what you were doing up to the point where you said what you did above. after that is was nothing more than preaching even though miles has said more than once that he didnt want to hear it. aw there ya go speaking for others again. just gotta do everyones talking for them dont ya whats the matter budd are ya getting upset because i speak the truth. no just the opposite. im not upset because what youre saying is a lie. he clearly said that preaching was not asked for and if i was wrong he would not hesitate to say so. any way you want to spin it budd you were preaching simple as that. in your incorrect opinion. it is not my opinion budd it is fact. even when mac suggested that you use the term imo you claimed that if it was just your opinion you would use it but it wasnt which says that you are making your claims as fact and that my friend is preaching. personally i dont care if you do or dont but if you claim not to and then flat out do it a few days later mr. the bible teaches someone is going to call you on it. well it had better be someone that knows more about preaching than you because what you do in these tirades is preach against me and my beliefs . .. unfortunately you have no scriptures to support your preaching. oh please budd just about everyone in the ng has said that you are preaching including your friends. i am not preaching against you and even said that i dont care if you do it or not as clearly stated above and below this line. if you want to preach go ahead but dont do it and then claim that you are not and try and cover with some crap about correcting errors when someone asks you to stop. all that does is make you look like a fool and a liar. then you coinsider all christians to be fools and liars tom because im following the commandment of jesus to go and make disciples of all men matthew 2818-20 lol you are spinning so fast that you are spinning yourself. all christians do not preach and then deny doing it and how exactly do you make deciples out of all men without preaching to them tom shut up. oh my god according to you a federal offense has been committed a hate crime even and by you. you are taking away my right of free speech out of hatred. dont worry budd after you are convicted ill forgive you. and how many times have you told me to shut up file the charges tom. ill subpoena the archives . . . . i have no intention of doing any such thing. i just wanted you to see how silly you were acting before. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbone
after more thought it just hit me about your posts . . . . if the bible says anything negative about other religions although it actually ignores them except for the altar to the unknown god paul writes about then you accuse me of preaching . . .yet if you say anything negative about my beliefs you claim is discussion. what are you talking about budd what have i said that is negative about your beliefs yep thats t-boneism thru and thru. once again more baseless accusations. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : beekeep
its not his overrunning clutch that holds in both manual low and manual 2nd and his trans is working ok in both of those. i was thinking that since it jerked in d when just the overrunning clutch is holding the rear drum but doesnt slip in manual 1 where the rear band is helping to hold the rear drum. am i confused .
From : aarcuda69062
run diagnostics on the unit with the key on-key off 3 times routine and see if the bulb lights up when all of the dash lights come on. i dont know if the 96 had a cluster test. on the newer vehicles 98 and up you would initiate this by holding down the trip odometer reset button while turning the ignition on then releasing when it all lit up. since the 94-97 trucks have a mechanical odometer i doubt this would work. .
From : aarcuda69062
its not something i would like to do but at least for now and for reasons i wish not to go into here i have to say good bye for a while. i do not know how long i will be gone. i hope to get to come back at some point and sincerely wish you all well. take care. anything any of us can do to give ya a hand roy i appreciate the offer roy but i dont think there is anything that anyone could do or would i ask any of you to do. as i said i hope to return sooner than later. ill be around for a few days to say final farewells and all. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .
From : tom lawrence
okay tom if the truck is in low 1 or low 2 it does not jerk. it will not jerk in reverse either. only in drive. hmmm.... not good. your rear sprag could be worn. im a bit out of my depth on this one... any tranny guys reading this where is that old fart gary g. when he is needed .
From : carl byrns
on tue 26 sep 2006 062738 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote on mon 25 sep 2006 204508 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote if you are so sure about your beliefs why havent you gone yet beekeep maybe its because god hasnt given up on you greg and maybe im the messenger he sent. -- budd cochran i dont think that any god is that stupid. i dont think anybody here would mind you talking the talk if we saw you walking the walk. beekeep .
From : ignoramus5425
on mon 25 sep 2006 005332 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote azwiley1 wrote but yet its all ok as long as it comes from some in here but not others. i dont agree with all the postings made by budd about the religious stuff but i also dont agree with the way everyone here has jumped on him and jump on others as they see fit just because. heres an idea afterall. just a suggestion ... craig it has been customary in this group to talk and to post pics of anything we want. i like reading the ot stuff the things that ive learned over the years have been interesting to say the least. if you dont like the thread dont read it. denny unfortunately the ot posts or on topic ones that degrade into pissing matches are far and away the ones with the most action/postings... life is sort of made up of human nature.. *g* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .
From : nick hull
on sun 24 sep 2006 214114 +0000 christopher tidy cdt22nospam@cantabgold.net wrote ignoramus1162 wrote i pulled the axle and installed a new torrington bearing and a new axle seal. i also put in a rare earth magnet on the bottom of the diff gear case. far from gears all of that went smoothly. despite that though the noise seems to have gotten a tad better here my senses could betray me but it did not go away and did not become qualitatively better. specifically the whining noise that happens when i let go of gas continues. thats frustrating. did you listen to the whining noise from inside the truck with the doors shut to offer a fair comparison to the noise you first heard yes. if i drive with windows open i rarely drive with doors open i do not hear anything due to ambient noise. some gear trains do whine naturally especially those which use spur gears but i seem to recall that all the gears i saw in your back axle were helical. the famous and now withdrawn routemaster buses in the city of london had a really distinct gearbox whine which continued pretty much all the time as i recall. well sure but it started recently and seemed to be progressing. i .
From : sqdancerlynn
ya know i didnt know that wabbits had oil on their tung. now i have to ask how did you apply it licking how many splinters did you get i got a couple of stocks that i put tung oil on before you got me started on danish oil. i like the danish oil much better. can danish oil be put on over the tung oil or does the tung oil need to be removed denny .
From : ignoramus1162
kenseth pushed his luck like he did at the earlier dover race but it did not play out this time. at lest gordon and johnson arent in victory lane! at 80 laps kenseth crew told him fuel wasnt a issue. he shoulda pited earlier anyway. gordon and johnson do seem to be on their ass a bit. like him or hate gordon does drive his ass off. cnat stand him or the hendricks motorsports crew. i am a dei and rcr fan thru and thru! though there are a few drivers from other teams that i like and follow. me either but ya cant take it away from him as a driver. ive followed kenseth for years back to a arca race i think. like his style most of the time you dont know hes on the track. roy ill agree with you but only to a point. i dont think that he would have the career and the sucess he has now if he had started with a different team. not saying that he would have been a failure or anything. hendrick sure gives him the equipment to do it. yup sure does. wait should i have disgreed with you bg not until later in the week.g have you taken a look at the seattle ny murder seattle has them down about 30 nothing at the 1/2. nah wife is watching the az/stl game as she likes stl as a whole and kurt warner from az. how bout those bengals.... ole roy is gonna be dreaden next week when his pats get another loss... well see who jumps on whose wagon.... denny hate to say it i think the pats are going to win but we shall see. another non-believers gonna get an education..... gentlmen im gonna put my young slender ass on the couch and watch the pats dole out some revenge. try to play nice.vbg roy denny .
From : tbone
as a further data point has the fluid been changed at regular intervals roy maybe not as often as it should have every 25k or so two changes since new. -bruce thanks much for the info. roy .
From : b b
on mon 25 sep 2006 104239 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on sun 24 sep 2006 172326 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote budd cochran wrote unfortunately miles too many dont hold themselves accountable let alone follow any other moral values. who decides what is moral or not for me i decide for myself. somethings i believe in say or do maybe immoral to you and vis-versa. right on... thats the problem that ive always had with censorship... who decides whats good or bad for us i think adults practice self censorship.. if it offends you dont look/complain/etc.... if for example nobody wanted to see x rated movies there wouldnt be any profit in them and theyd cease to exist.. self censorship bro your always right on the money first thing in the mornig. well said!! roy thank you kind sir... mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .
From : roy
napalmheart wrote the other noise is sort of a high-pitched squealing whistling noise. if i had to guess id say it was coming from the a/c compressor. or maybe its just the belt squealing on everything. its a fairly new belt. on my 2002 ram the same type of noise was the new air filter. my truck has to have the type that has the 1 piece of foam on the top of it. it may be the belt tensioner. ive had new tensioners make some awful noises on my dakota. thanks for the ideas. i forgot to mention the truck has 105000 miles. .
From : aarcuda69062
on mon 25 sep 2006 160548 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote we gotta get this out of this thread it is a pia to find with all the other bs. see if you guys would knock off all the ot crap this wouldnt be a problem! ^ thats a joke yall... cmon laugh a little dont be mad at me! beekeep started this thread.g roy i get blamed for everything around here. so youre the one that stole reds machine.... oh bullshit!! mac had the machine and was supposed to give it to red a couple of years ago when he went north to visit a son. the machine never got there. at the time mac was headed north there were a bunch of reports of a pick up with a plow running west on the interstate. seems the driver was this pink freak with big ass floppy ears. any idea who that might have been bfg i wouldnt have been me. i would never run my truck down the interstate with the blade on. seriously last spring we had a truck towed in at work with the engine so hot the plug wires melted. the guy was driving down the interstate with a western blade on and never looked at this temp guage. must have no hearing either for not hearing the chime when the temp guage went up either. he was just mad as hell that he couldnt keep up with traffic on i-75 with the blade on. he wanted us to be sure to put a motor in the ran right this time. denny .
From : beekeep
ignoramus1162 wrote i pulled the axle and installed a new torrington bearing and a new axle seal. i also put in a rare earth magnet on the bottom of the diff gear case. far from gears all of that went smoothly. despite that though the noise seems to have gotten a tad better here my senses could betray me but it did not go away and did not become qualitatively better. specifically the whining noise that happens when i let go of gas continues. forgive me for asking what might be a stupid question but did you fill it with grease before the test .
From : erik litchy
kenseth pushed his luck like he did at the earlier dover race but it did not play out this time. at lest gordon and johnson arent in victory lane! at 80 laps kenseth crew told him fuel wasnt a issue. he shoulda pited earlier anyway. gordon and johnson do seem to be on their ass a bit. like him or hate gordon does drive his ass off. cnat stand him or the hendricks motorsports crew. i am a dei and rcr fan thru and thru! though there are a few drivers from other teams that i like and follow. me either but ya cant take it away from him as a driver. ive followed kenseth for years back to a arca race i think. like his style most of the time you dont know hes on the track. roy ill agree with you but only to a point. i dont think that he would have the career and the sucess he has now if he had started with a different team. not saying that he would have been a failure or anything. hendrick sure gives him the equipment to do it. yup sure does. wait should i have disgreed with you bg not until later in the week.g have you taken a look at the seattle ny murder seattle has them down about 30 nothing at the 1/2. nah wife is watching the az/stl game as she likes stl as a whole and kurt warner from az. roy .
From : iso88591qritac4berkowitz ritaberk2o04 aol com
no roy the situation with budd has nothing to do with it. my point i thought should have been easy to follow. i disagreed with some one based off my knowledge and expertise on a subject a subject i have been involved with since 91 and as usual the derogatory insults and comments start not a rebuttal from the person i disagreed with with factual information. i then stood up for myself. understood. but yet its all ok as long as it comes from some in here but not others. i dont agree with all the postings made by budd about the religious stuff but i also dont agree with the way everyone here has jumped on him and jump on others as they see fit just because. i think history may have a bunch to do with it. is what it is i guess. can you elaborate sure but ill be very brief to keep the peace. the last session was not the first with budd. it was about the fourth. imo people have gotton tired of it and patience has worn thin. i suppose you could google it but this last was reflective of the the others. ive used the kill file for the last two. just not into it. roy roy come on tom lets hear from you the same thing that you got on budd about to me now. i guess you are starting to show your colors too. i suppose in your eyes its ok for anyone to start with the attacks and derogator comments to anyone that disagrees with something they say larry is the situation with budd the cause for your unusual angernot really the word im looking for roy .
From : ignoramus5425
get an apple imac with 24 screenit has 2.16 ghz intel core 2 duo dale roy roy@home.net wrote when i get my ass to fl im going to need a pu ttor for the house. i want to leave this one here in ma for sue to h and the times when i come up. i dont do a bunch of gaming but i might. i do a lot of reading on the net. i like a big monitor for all the pink bunny pics. i thought about a laptop even more when i was trying to figure out the navigation question but have pretty much settled on a garmin. thanks to all for your help and info on that. anyway a laptop will limit the size of the monitor. so lets hear what ya think especially you folks in the field. brand reason why and price they go for if ya have the info. tia roy .
From : f george mcduffee
richard howard wrote i hope i didnt just make a big mistake. 2002 dodge ram 1500 quad with 4wd 100500 miles. i just today replaced the goodyear tires 275/60/20 with michelin cross terrain 305/50/20. now my worry is that since these tires are about an inch shorter lowered my truck an inch how far off is my speedo going to be am i losing fuel economy and will i damage the rear or tranny please let me know something. go here http//www.miata.net/garage/tirecalcold.html with the new tires your speedometer will read 3% faster. now that assumes an ideal world where all things are exactly as they are supposed to be. some tire companies vary the diameter from published specs. and some factory speedometers are 2-3% off anyway. who know now you could be closer to your exact speed than you were before. go out on the freeway and clock out 10-20 miles with the mile markers. see how you your odometer matches up. in some places youll find a radar trailer or radar signpost on the highway thats usually pretty accurate. and the new gps hand helds are pretty accurate too. if you have to change the speedometer im not really sure. i think you have the sensor on the differential. the only way to change it that i know of is to reprogram the computer with something like a jet tuner. and you would want to do that anyway to make the truck run better. -- ..bob arrived 2006 fxdi red. 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged stolen 11/26/05 in denver 1hd1gel10vy3200010 co license j5822z 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .
From : ignoramus5425
look like a nice setup there tom. i cheat at time and hook up to my 52 lcd in the living room when i really get in the mood to play a game. 52 lcd who makes it been looking for a 50 flat panel to replace a somewhat tired rp set its a panasonic. its an lcd projection tv. outstanding picture in all formats. all forms of video inputs. hdtv all that. damn thing even has a sd card slot on the front. .
From : tom lawrenceaarcuda69062
budd cochran wrote is that how you see it i read a scripture i understand what each word means as it is written i combine them to get a complete meaning for the verse and that is what i believe. yep. you form your beliefs from your own interpretation. you seem to feel it is impossible for anyone to have different beliefs than your own unless they misinterpreted something in the bible. that assumption is arrogant in my view...that your views are the only correct ones. everyone elses is a misinterpretation. .
From : christopher tidy
ww-ii allies did not have the accuracy available to them as we have today. can you imagine how hitler would have felt if he knew a b-17 at 30000 feet could drop one bomb in a rain barrel outside his home day or night the vengeance weapons v-1 and v-2 were mostly effective as terror weapons only . . .you didnt know where they would hit even if you were the one pushing the launch button and the bombing systems of the germans were less accurate than the norden bombsight at its worst. what is the price of peace money cant buy it...look at feudalism. only blood of patriots can buy peace. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote all wars have costs not just financial or in lives but in emotions and national spirit. one thing that has been proven is that war protestors extend the cartnage not reduce it. also we could win this war. instead we do this political shuffle while you and i pay for this war and our sons die in it. if this is a war take the gloves off win the stinking thing. well gee thats what we should have done in korea vietnam desert storm . . .did i miss any but the liberals dont want to win just waste lives and money. get kerry and the rest of the liberals to wake up and this could be over with. world war ii was a gloves off type of mission... back when bombing entire german cities for the sole purpose of hurting german morale was acceptable. by some see bombing of dresden war only makes death not sure if you could say it makes peace. all out bombing only pisses them off more everyone would have to die.. all at once. oooooo armageddon theres a thought -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
From : beekeep
hello all my first post. just got a 1945 blackout 1/2 ton pu and need repop part sources and also forums. plan on frame off on this complete prestine old truck. would appreciate any help. thanx tim .
From : ignoramus5425
roy wrote the doc isnt really sure. i was pulling on something in workfortunatly and got a sharp pain and lost some motion. could be a bad strain or a rotator cuff tear. right now 10 days out it is sore. ive been going to pt to see how it plays out. doc wants me to do about 3weeks of it then decide if some sort of dye and a scan is needed. xrays shoued nothing. my left one is screwed up. after 8 surgeries im still in a lot of pain and its still messed up. if you can avoid it dont let them cut on you. im with you on this. shoulders seem to be a hit or miss at best. they messed mine up each time they went in there. each time they promised they would fix it. i even had the sugeon that does the dallas cowboys players work on mine. didnt work. i was forced into disability retirement because of it. im 7 months from retirement and i want both wings fully functioning . i already have enough aches and pains. roy bob i hurt mine at work also. the only reason i had them continue to work on it other than they said it would be fixed each time was because it was my only hope to get back to work doing what i was doing. i still miss my job and have struggled ever since to make ends meet. i even lost my 01 ram 1500 over it. but thats another story. bob .