UPDATE 3 with DETAILS of What Broke -- Replacing rear bearings on a Dodge pickup?
From : ignoramus937
Q: on sat 23 sep 2006 225726 -0400 tony al2001block@optonline.net wrote yeah you would need a replacement from the dealer mopar or fabricate one sheet metal. tony please see my post update 3 i detail what exactly went wrong and why looks to me like it was installed backwards. see if you have any opinion on that! i tony on sat 23 sep 2006 124808 -0400 tony al2001block@optonline.net wrote when i look at the piece it looks like one of the side adjuster locks broke off. if so that would throw the ring gear adjustment out of whack. and so do i need a replacement for it or what i tony i decided to take pictures as i go along. see http//igor.chudov.com/projects/automotive/drivetrain-noise-in-dodge-ram-1500-pickup/ some findings as i opened up the differential. 1. it is full of gear oil. means my oil change 2 years ago was successful 2. on the bottom there is some amount of of like 100 grit metal dust settled down. 3. there was one foreign object on the bottom see http//tinyurl.com/zr8zg 4. the gears and such do not seem to have any unusual damage. i .
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From : don young
the broken clip was locking tab from the brg pre load adjuster. did you check the back lash how much back lash did you have .
From : azwiley1
roy wrote craig if you dont like what is posted here you have a option. simply put go elsewhere. thanks for the insight roy. where ever shall i go i know ... ill go to alt.religion.baptist. i wonder if theyre talking about trucks this group has for years talked about and posted anything they wanted to. most of which was dodge trucks or at least automobile related. go figure. ive not seen it get this bad/off topic in the 4+ years i have subscribed. you are not the first to become upset about it. im not upset. a bit confused how the war in iraq which *you* started has anything to do with the topic of this ng. and ... a bit confused why you would post something that you know would cause tempers to explode. what is most concerning is watching people who once exchanged friendly communication start jabbing at each other over topics that they probably didnt want to discuss in the first place. dont mean to sound harsh but ya either go along and get along or ya dont. is that what you call whats been happening here lately go along and get along oh one thing ya dont do is fuck with the rabbit!g i do that!vbg i dont know denny ... although i have noted that he is the object of rabbit jokes from time to time. if denny chooses to address me about something i will likely answer him. i will however leave the tired rabbit jokes to you. - interesting that you chose not to respond to the questions that were at the end of this post. too logical im guessing. craig c. .
From : Annonymous
on sun 24 sep 2006 004046 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on sun 24 sep 2006 032047 gmt royj spamless@microsoft.net wrote id suggest taking a deep breath and holding it for while so you stop hyperventelating. there ok now ok. looks like the retainer lock was installed backwards just snapped off. this would give you the score mark on ring gear. neither of those items really concerns me other than ranting about nincompoops at the factory. i would be concerned if the bearing retainer had moved. if it was loose you will have trashed the bearings as well as gotten abnormal wear on the ring/pinion. since i doubt you have any warranty coverage its up to you. id clean up the whole assembly so you can see what it looks like without the oil residue. a good wear pattern is centered in the ring gear teeth. lots more info in lots of places try this for starters keep looking. http//www.ring-pinion.com/downloads/yukoninstman.pdf ok will read this. if the tooth wear looks ok finish flushing the gear case put in fresh oil keep going. perhaps drain and flush again in 30 to 60 days. if the wear pattern shows that it has shifted over time or there is alot of backlash time to call in an expert and have them rebuild it. backlash would be as i try to rock the main ring a measure of how much it moves right shrug. what other choices do you have i dunno maybe there is a safety recall for this or something... adjusting these adusters according to beekeep is not terribly difficult. i will read some more. the question is whether my carrier bearings are trashed. i somehow i believe what you found is unrelated to your problem though the lock should be replaced properly. it sounds to me more like a bad axle bearing. the carrier bearings work regardless of which wheel is turning. do not try to adjust or replace the carrier bearings or the pinion bearings unless you are real sure it is necessary and you have the tools and knowledge to do it properly. don young after reading all this im in agreement with don on this. do the lock replacement replace the axle bearing id do both sides while it is apart. then id probably run it for a 100 miles drain it look it over and if all is okay refill the rear end and be done with it. makes sense. should i put in a small rare earth magnet somewhere on the bottom to collect loose steel grit i if it would make feel better go for it. myself i wouldnt bother. id change the fluid more often maybe every 15k. roy if you do install a magnet inside be very sure it cant come loose. it could do a lot more damage than any loose grit. don young .
From : tony
come on tom lets hear from you the same thing that you got on budd about to me now. i guess you are starting to show your colors too. i suppose in your eyes its ok for anyone to start with the attacks and derogator comments to anyone that disagrees with something they say larry is the situation with budd the cause for your unusual angernot really the word im looking for roy .
From : carl byrns
bee having rebuilt a few 9.25 mopar rears including machining custom axle shafts installing limited slips and such the screwdriver method works fine. as a matter of fact thats why the factory places the adjustment holes in the side adjusters. its not practical to buy every tool the service manual recommends. the only tools you really need are a dial indicator and a good mechanical sense. tony this is why the manual tells you to take it somewhere to get it done. phillip screwdrivers dont make good torque wrenches. beekeep .
From : beekeep
on sat 23 sep 2006 192440 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote id like to go to the range but it is my right shoulder that is screwed up. i was think leaving the ar home and taking the sigs but the recoil.. id like to get out of this without any surgery. so no playing yet. any defensive pistol training involves shooting with the weak hand. so there is your excuse to go plink. just be sure to tuck your right hand in your rt rear pocket when you shoot. denny probably wouldnt work for roy buggs... unless of course the pocket had a thumb hole.. *eg* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .
From : anthony
i just bought a used 2003 quad cab slt 4x4 yesterday 4.7l. great truck! i havent gotten a jack under it yesterday to spin a rear wheel to check so im going to ask here.... does anyone know if theres a way to determine if this has a factory lsd in it i think it was an option but i dont have any of the original paperwork to see. i was wondering if an axle code or vin might be able to tell me somehow thanks for your help! the vin will tell you if the truck was originally equipped but not if somebody added it on after it was built. you can take the number in to your local dealer or if you post the last eight digits of the vin i can tell you here. there is also a sticker on the inside of the glove box that will tell you if you have that option also. denny .
From : beekeep
i just bought a used 2003 quad cab slt 4x4 yesterday 4.7l. great truck! i havent gotten a jack under it yesterday to spin a rear wheel to check so im going to ask here.... does anyone know if theres a way to determine if this has a factory lsd in it i think it was an option but i dont have any of the original paperwork to see. i was wondering if an axle code or vin might be able to tell me somehow thanks for your help! .
From : beekeep
ignoramus937 ignoramus937@nospam.937.invalid wrote in your collective help has been invaluable to me and i cannot say enough to express my extreme gratitude to all contributors so far. personally id first check backlash record it then pull the carrier flush and check the carrier bearings based on the grit you found in the bottom of the can. its not difficult to reset the lash / bearing pre-load on this type of set-up same thing as a ford 9 as far as that goes. check your wear pattern on the ring gear and pinion. while you have the carrier out check the pinion bearings for feel and any backlash. see how much wiggle you have if any in the spiders and make sure the pins are still corretly in place. pull the axles replace both bearings. while you have it all apart clean the inside of the housing really good including the tubes. you want to get all of that grit out of there that you can before you re- install anything. all that grit sloshing around is probably what got your axle bearings. if one has failed the other is not far behind which is also why i suspect the carrier bearings are going to be damaged and probably the pinion bearings also. if the lock has broken off the possibility that the preload was lost early on is relatively high which is not a good thing. definately check for the tsbs. i would just replace all the bearings and seals while i had it apart pinion included. -- anthony you cant idiot proof anything....every time you try they just make better idiots. remove sp to reply via email .
From : royj
ok i feel like an idiot. i was assuming that the new headlights were wired correctly. i was wrong. when unplugged the oem plug on low beam reads pin 1 pos pin 2 neg pin 3 neg. high beams readpin 1 neg pin 2 pos pin 3 neg. the new head lights used pin 2 as the common circuit. i rewired the plugs to use pin 3 as the common circuit now everything is working correctly. -- billy 1995 ram 2500 4x4 cummins .
From : bdk
no actually and it is apparent you need to learn how to read. all i did was post a statement pertaining to your comments about how we need to listen to and believe the command from over in iraq. i disagreed with you i can back up what i say though this is not the forum for it and you started with the insult and derogatory comments as usual. but i see that you like snojob and a few others dont grasp the thought that just because someone disagrees with you is not an open invitation to be a fucking idiot and start with the attacks. nuff said. on sun 24 sep 2006 095638 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote all hail theguy. though he has not stated anything other then his usual insults and derogatory comments about some one to substantiate his profuse knowledge because it might prove someone can actually know more. i concede to you vast though unsubstantiated greatness. asshole no problemo ass clown. i forgive you you dont need to sign your posts as coming from an asshole. btw the above statement would be just as accurate about everything that you wrote as about what i did. you chose the sword you just dont have the skill to use it. on sat 23 sep 2006 220919 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote on sat 23 sep 2006 202234 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote hey knucklehead the retards that you say we should listen to in the command over there are nothing more then politicians in uniform. they are so far gone from knowing about real military it is not funny. at the rank they are all they care about is kissing presidential ass because they know that they only people that can hurt their career is congress and higher. they will and do say anything that is politically correct that can be said. if you dont think i am right get off your lazy ass join the military and become an intel analyst over there. i did i saw i have a better understanding and knowledge base about it then you. so you think believe and listen to who ever you want. youre done! yeah you were an enlisted non com in military intelligence so you have all the answers. tell you what genius just keep listening to cnn then and you will have the whole deal down. and just how do you know that you have a better understanding and knowledge base than i do oh yeah you just know. you got no fucking clue as to who i am and what i know braniac. so listen to cnn and read your paper every morning and you can continue to have it all figured out. hmm lets see an enlisted non com. gee last time i checked to be a non com you had to be enlisted so wouldnt your statement be a little redundant if not retarded yeah i was also in mi but unlike you fucknuts i never professed or pretend to have all the answers. apparantly you are the one that needs to continue to listen to the classifed network cnn if you aint that bright. i stopped that when i deployed all the times that i have. as to my knowledge base concerning the situation in iraq i would bet dimes to doughnuts i know more about it then you. i have been involved either physically there or in direct support of operation including some i garuntee you never heard of in ever single operation since the gulf war desert storm. wow its great to have an expert of your level in the ng then. i cant wait for your next post on the state iraq. your briefings here should be very popular. as you say you have no fucking clue as to who i am what i have done who i know or what i have done. so you listen up fuck face continue your proclaimation of great importance but this will be the last post to you from me about this. great ass clown. ill miss your tremendous expertise though and am quite sorry that i and the military command wont have the benefit of your great advise. oh and i do have a pretty good clue as to who you are. i pretty much told you last post. great another fucking moron enters the fray. yup that would be you de de de! on sat 23 sep 2006 190954 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote yeah having worked with a lot of the assholes in the command staff over there in very similar situations. hell even providing some of the information as a former intel analyst i full or is that fool heartedly listen to everything they have to say and believe it. not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your choice. listen to the politicians instead then genius. on fri 22 sep 2006 172108 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote on fri 22 sep 2006 142108 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote i love reading the whos who list of liberal organizations that fund them. it sure explains the bias. gee the money for that project could have been spent on education charities neighborhood development . . . . -- budd cochran a little short sighted on your part. dont talk about bias of other groups and then write such a biased statement. t
From : roy
on sat 23 sep 2006 155159 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote very good. should be real interesting putting a few 357sigs down range with just the weak hand. roy im sure that what you meant to say was your slightly less strong hand correct mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .
From : roy
on sat 23 sep 2006 230647 -0400 tony al2001block@optonline.net wrote after you clean everything out and check for damage you re-install the ring gear/carrier. youll need a dial indicator with a magnetic base or some fixture to hold the indicator against one of the teeth on the ring gear and rock the gear. tighten the side adjusters until you get around .007 backlash. i use a phillips screwdriver placed in the adjustment hole of the casting and pry against one of the holes in the side adjuster tightening until snug. then replace your adjuster locks. tony this is why the manual tells you to take it somewhere to get it done. phillip screwdrivers dont make good torque wrenches. beekeep .
From : ignoramus937
on sun 24 sep 2006 004046 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on sun 24 sep 2006 032047 gmt royj spamless@microsoft.net wrote id suggest taking a deep breath and holding it for while so you stop hyperventelating. there ok now ok. looks like the retainer lock was installed backwards just snapped off. this would give you the score mark on ring gear. neither of those items really concerns me other than ranting about nincompoops at the factory. i would be concerned if the bearing retainer had moved. if it was loose you will have trashed the bearings as well as gotten abnormal wear on the ring/pinion. since i doubt you have any warranty coverage its up to you. id clean up the whole assembly so you can see what it looks like without the oil residue. a good wear pattern is centered in the ring gear teeth. lots more info in lots of places try this for starters keep looking. http//www.ring-pinion.com/downloads/yukoninstman.pdf ok will read this. if the tooth wear looks ok finish flushing the gear case put in fresh oil keep going. perhaps drain and flush again in 30 to 60 days. if the wear pattern shows that it has shifted over time or there is alot of backlash time to call in an expert and have them rebuild it. backlash would be as i try to rock the main ring a measure of how much it moves right shrug. what other choices do you have i dunno maybe there is a safety recall for this or something... adjusting these adusters according to beekeep is not terribly difficult. i will read some more. the question is whether my carrier bearings are trashed. i somehow i believe what you found is unrelated to your problem though the lock should be replaced properly. it sounds to me more like a bad axle bearing. the carrier bearings work regardless of which wheel is turning. do not try to adjust or replace the carrier bearings or the pinion bearings unless you are real sure it is necessary and you have the tools and knowledge to do it properly. don young after reading all this im in agreement with don on this. do the lock replacement replace the axle bearing id do both sides while it is apart. then id probably run it for a 100 miles drain it look it over and if all is okay refill the rear end and be done with it. makes sense. should i put in a small rare earth magnet somewhere on the bottom to collect loose steel grit i if it would make feel better go for it. myself i wouldnt bother. id change the fluid more often maybe every 15k. roy .
From : don young
on sun 24 sep 2006 032047 gmt royj spamless@microsoft.net wrote id suggest taking a deep breath and holding it for while so you stop hyperventelating. there ok now ok. looks like the retainer lock was installed backwards just snapped off. this would give you the score mark on ring gear. neither of those items really concerns me other than ranting about nincompoops at the factory. i would be concerned if the bearing retainer had moved. if it was loose you will have trashed the bearings as well as gotten abnormal wear on the ring/pinion. since i doubt you have any warranty coverage its up to you. id clean up the whole assembly so you can see what it looks like without the oil residue. a good wear pattern is centered in the ring gear teeth. lots more info in lots of places try this for starters keep looking. http//www.ring-pinion.com/downloads/yukoninstman.pdf ok will read this. if the tooth wear looks ok finish flushing the gear case put in fresh oil keep going. perhaps drain and flush again in 30 to 60 days. if the wear pattern shows that it has shifted over time or there is alot of backlash time to call in an expert and have them rebuild it. backlash would be as i try to rock the main ring a measure of how much it moves right shrug. what other choices do you have i dunno maybe there is a safety recall for this or something... adjusting these adusters according to beekeep is not terribly difficult. i will read some more. the question is whether my carrier bearings are trashed. i somehow i believe what you found is unrelated to your problem though the lock should be replaced properly. it sounds to me more like a bad axle bearing. the carrier bearings work regardless of which wheel is turning. do not try to adjust or replace the carrier bearings or the pinion bearings unless you are real sure it is necessary and you have the tools and knowledge to do it properly. don young after reading all this im in agreement with don on this. do the lock replacement replace the axle bearing id do both sides while it is apart. then id probably run it for a 100 miles drain it look it over and if all is okay refill the rear end and be done with it. roy .
From : ignoramus937
hello all does anyone have any insight as to what may have caused the odometer to stop working along with the tranny to start slipping i havent had a chance to look under the vehicle yet to see if i can see any fluid leaking. my wife said she was headed out of town when she noticed the speedometer not working and it seemed like the motor was reving a bit. the fluid looks a little brown but doesnt smell real bad. it does have approx. 105000 miles on what may be the original tranny. could this be an electronic issue back in the day i would of guessed a plugged modulator line and/or loose nut on the speedometer cable along with dripping fluid but now im stumped!! any thoughts would be great! thank you very much in advance! cb .
From : pete c
on sat 23 sep 2006 202234 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote hey knucklehead the retards that you say we should listen to in the command over there are nothing more then politicians in uniform. they are so far gone from knowing about real military it is not funny. at the rank they are all they care about is kissing presidential ass because they know that they only people that can hurt their career is congress and higher. they will and do say anything that is politically correct that can be said. if you dont think i am right get off your lazy ass join the military and become an intel analyst over there. i did i saw i have a better understanding and knowledge base about it then you. so you think believe and listen to who ever you want. youre done! yeah you were an enlisted non com in military intelligence so you have all the answers. tell you what genius just keep listening to cnn then and you will have the whole deal down. and just how do you know that you have a better understanding and knowledge base than i do oh yeah you just know. you got no fucking clue as to who i am and what i know braniac. so listen to cnn and read your paper every morning and you can continue to have it all figured out. hmm lets see an enlisted non com. gee last time i checked to be a non com you had to be enlisted so wouldnt your statement be a little redundant if not retarded yeah i was also in mi but unlike you fucknuts i never professed or pretend to have all the answers. apparantly you are the one that needs to continue to listen to the classifed network cnn if you aint that bright. i stopped that when i deployed all the times that i have. as to my knowledge base concerning the situation in iraq i would bet dimes to doughnuts i know more about it then you. i have been involved either physically there or in direct support of operation including some i garuntee you never heard of in ever single operation since the gulf war desert storm. as you say you have no fucking clue as to who i am what i have done who i know or what i have done. so you listen up fuck face continue your proclaimation of great importance but this will be the last post to you from me about this. great another fucking moron enters the fray. yup that would be you de de de! on sat 23 sep 2006 190954 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote yeah having worked with a lot of the assholes in the command staff over there in very similar situations. hell even providing some of the information as a former intel analyst i full or is that fool heartedly listen to everything they have to say and believe it. not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your choice. listen to the politicians instead then genius. on fri 22 sep 2006 172108 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote on fri 22 sep 2006 142108 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote i love reading the whos who list of liberal organizations that fund them. it sure explains the bias. gee the money for that project could have been spent on education charities neighborhood development . . . . -- budd cochran a little short sighted on your part. dont talk about bias of other groups and then write such a biased statement. that was stupid. i am not opposed to the war or the action but it vital to keep the costs in mind. not just the financial ones either but in lives. also we could win this war. instead we do this political shuffle while you and i pay for this war and our sons die in it. if this is a war take the gloves off win the stinking thing. yeah i would like to know how we could win this war if it so simple to you. i would love to have my cousin step daughter and step son home! listen to the command staff of the armed services over there. they have had several plans but they dont fit our political needs and there is a fear that their would too many innocent lives lost and that would infuriate the muslim population even more. as a result we fight a political war with political rules and our soldiers continue to die. john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams take a look at this your tax dollars at work. www.costofwar.com roy .
From : roy
ignoramus937 wrote i discovered some fascinating things about where that broken piece comes from and why it fell off. it looks to me like it was improperly installed at the factory. http//igor.chudov.com/projects/automotive/drivetrain-noise-in-dodge-ram-1500-pickup/ i put pictures there of the exploded diagram of my 9.25 axle and highlighted how it should be installed. i then made very detailed pictures of what remained from the part that broke adjuster ring lock and how it looks like it was installed backwards and broke probably as i was driving home from the dealer on day 1. i want some opinions on this shit specifically - it is really wrong or am i confused - is it covered by any sort of recall or advisory given that my pickup is a 1999 pickup - did the problem with the left adjuster lock in fact could possibly cause my problems with the right outer axle bearing - just how fucked i am here can i possibly get by with just replacing the right outer axle bearing and perhaps changing the oil a couple of times and installing some rare earth magnet to collect metallic dust over the next month. your collective help has been invaluable to me and i cannot say enough to express my extreme gratitude to all contributors so far. thank you thank you thank you i go to alldata.com and check the tsb titles to see if there was a recall ot tsb that might be applicable. you have to pay to get the full bulletin but the titles are generally descriptive and free. if you find one that sounds applicable you can check with the dealer for the full detail. pete c. .
From : royj
hey knucklehead the retards that you say we should listen to in the command over there are nothing more then politicians in uniform. they are so far gone from knowing about real military it is not funny. at the rank they are all they care about is kissing presidential ass because they know that they only people that can hurt their career is congress and higher. they will and do say anything that is politically correct that can be said. if you dont think i am right get off your lazy ass join the military and become an intel analyst over there. i did i saw i have a better understanding and knowledge base about it then you. so you think believe and listen to who ever you want. youre done! on sat 23 sep 2006 190954 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote yeah having worked with a lot of the assholes in the command staff over there in very similar situations. hell even providing some of the information as a former intel analyst i full or is that fool heartedly listen to everything they have to say and believe it. not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your choice. listen to the politicians instead then genius. on fri 22 sep 2006 172108 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote on fri 22 sep 2006 142108 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote i love reading the whos who list of liberal organizations that fund them. it sure explains the bias. gee the money for that project could have been spent on education charities neighborhood development . . . . -- budd cochran a little short sighted on your part. dont talk about bias of other groups and then write such a biased statement. that was stupid. i am not opposed to the war or the action but it vital to keep the costs in mind. not just the financial ones either but in lives. also we could win this war. instead we do this political shuffle while you and i pay for this war and our sons die in it. if this is a war take the gloves off win the stinking thing. yeah i would like to know how we could win this war if it so simple to you. i would love to have my cousin step daughter and step son home! listen to the command staff of the armed services over there. they have had several plans but they dont fit our political needs and there is a fear that their would too many innocent lives lost and that would infuriate the muslim population even more. as a result we fight a political war with political rules and our soldiers continue to die. john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams take a look at this your tax dollars at work. www.costofwar.com roy .