Trans fluid or additive ?
From : ron
Q: rather than have the dealer$ do the tranny flush and change i went to pennzoil drive in . 2002 dakota quad w 4.7. next time to dealer they remark tranny fluid is no good needs flush i didnt have time to give them the 3rd degree but they claimed they looked at it again and didnt just go by the denied note on last visit... ya right. so i went back to pennzoil. they claim they put in mercon/dexron iii atf plus additive 7176 to birng it to correct dodge spec.. is this bull is it acceptable is the correct stuff not available straight they claim its not available straight. thanks for any and all input. it drives fine that i can tell just dont want damage or warranty voided. .
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From : miles
get that stuff out of there. mercon/dextron + an additive is not the way to go. 7176 is an additive that claims to add similar characteristics of mopar atf+3. from allpars website do not use dexron with an additive. richard widman passed us an extensive report from reputable gas company chevron which compared atf+3 fluid with dexron plus various additives. they found that neither of two major brands matched atf+3s performance specs. furthermore your 2002 most likely requires fully synthetic atf +4 check your manual. most non-chrysler shops do not have atf+4 because until recently only mopar made it. the shop will most likely argue like crazy for the reason that they do not have atf+4 and apparently dont even have atf+3. for the $s saved its simply not worth it. use the fluid specified by dodge. ron wrote rather than have the dealer$ do the tranny flush and change i went to pennzoil drive in . 2002 dakota quad w 4.7. next time to dealer they remark tranny fluid is no good needs flush i didnt have time to give them the 3rd degree but they claimed they looked at it again and didnt just go by the denied note on last visit... ya right. so i went back to pennzoil. they claim they put in mercon/dexron iii atf plus additive 7176 to birng it to correct dodge spec.. is this bull is it acceptable is the correct stuff not available straight they claim its not available straight. thanks for any and all input. it drives fine that i can tell just dont want damage or warranty voided. .
From : jay
just keep driving it and before you get 10000 miles on that fluid you will know you made a mistake. shifts will get slower than it will not want to go into overdrive. then a few grand for a rebuild.pay a few hundred now or a few thousand later. get that stuff out of there. mercon/dextron + an additive is not the way to go. 7176 is an additive that claims to add similar characteristics of mopar atf+3. from allpars website do not use dexron with an additive. richard widman passed us an extensive report from reputable gas company chevron which compared atf+3 fluid with dexron plus various additives. they found that neither of two major brands matched atf+3s performance specs. furthermore your 2002 most likely requires fully synthetic atf +4 check your manual. most non-chrysler shops do not have atf+4 because until recently only mopar made it. the shop will most likely argue like crazy for the reason that they do not have atf+4 and apparently dont even have atf+3. for the $s saved its simply not worth it. use the fluid specified by dodge. ron wrote rather than have the dealer$ do the tranny flush and change i went to pennzoil drive in . 2002 dakota quad w 4.7. next time to dealer they remark tranny fluid is no good needs flush i didnt have time to give them the 3rd degree but they claimed they looked at it again and didnt just go by the denied note on last visit... ya right. so i went back to pennzoil. they claim they put in mercon/dexron iii atf plus additive 7176 to birng it to correct dodge spec.. is this bull is it acceptable is the correct stuff not available straight they claim its not available straight. thanks for any and all input. it drives fine that i can tell just dont want damage or warranty voided. .
From : akasbm
aka-sbm wrote we must be reading different threads..... i appologize. i thought we were both reading this one.....where everyone but you seems to think that my price is fair. ======== ======== aka-sbm wrote fair depends on your area. here i would say you are the highest i have seen....and therefore not fair. nyc you might be bottom of the barrel cheap. =========== =========== do me a favor. get a price on the canister filter the regular filter 7 quarts of atf4 and a pan gasket. then.....add a bit for labor you make the call charge a fair price on your labor. post the results. then ill tell you how much money you are losing after doing the job 10 times. ya know...i have heard this over and over and over again...you leave money on the table...etc... funny...im not hurting and im not hurting for work. what works for you might not work for me. what works for you in your area might not fly here. oh yeah and if you find some shops out there that are doing this service with both filters and using atf4 for under $100......then stay away from them. theyre likely using the service as a loss leader to upsell you. doubtful...i know the wholesale price on all that and ya know its quite possible that they are simply being quite.....fair. jest a caution for you take it for what its worth. or what you think its worth...lol scare tactics. love it. see it all the time.. joe blow is charging $2500 for that unit and xyz company is charging $4250 for the same stuff and who you think will do the better job....etc...etc..etc.. blah. its like this...if i post the wholesale prices on here you do remember the old mans got a dealership... then the high priced fellas might just go...damn..that aint right and no..that aint the price wholesale.. would just fucking suck would it not particularly in most cases its not the parts you are selling its your service. make it a hell of a lot harder to justify raping peeps wont it before you start...i am what some call a whore in the ac biz...im cheaper than most of the guys here but i bet i make more than the higher guys... figure it out. any whoooo..... a simple few minutes on the phone for you and post the results. respectfully submitted to prove a point marshmonster takes a hit off his dooby.........mmmmmm........wonders if youre one of those that think mechanics shouldnt eat as well as everyone else take vacations and buy his kids cloths from places other than the ole goodwill store...... or.....if you jest fall for every lost leader ad pay a mechanic save a kid .
From : marsh monster
aka-sbm wrote we must be reading different threads..... i appologize. i thought we were both reading this one.....where everyone but you seems to think that my price is fair. ======== ======== aka-sbm wrote fair depends on your area. here i would say you are the highest i have seen....and therefore not fair. nyc you might be bottom of the barrel cheap. =========== =========== do me a favor. get a price on the canister filter the regular filter 7 quarts of atf4 and a pan gasket. then.....add a bit for labor you make the call charge a fair price on your labor. post the results. then ill tell you how much money you are losing after doing the job 10 times. oh yeah and if you find some shops out there that are doing this service with both filters and using atf4 for under $100......then stay away from them. theyre likely using the service as a loss leader to upsell you. jest a caution for you take it for what its worth. or what you think its worth...lol any whoooo..... a simple few minutes on the phone for you and post the results. respectfully submitted to prove a point marshmonster takes a hit off his dooby.........mmmmmm........wonders if youre one of those that think mechanics shouldnt eat as well as everyone else take vacations and buy his kids cloths from places other than the ole goodwill store...... or.....if you jest fall for every lost leader ad pay a mechanic save a kid .
From : miles
marsh monster wrote i get $149.00 for the service on that truck. not a flush job....a trans service. if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. if that includes the above plus a changing all fluid then its not too bad. .
From : marsh monster
=========== =========== ron wrote rather than have the dealer$ do the tranny flush and change i went to pennzoil drive in . 2002 dakota quad w 4.7. next time to dealer they remark tranny fluid is no good needs flush i didnt have time to give them the 3rd degree but they claimed they looked at it again and didnt just go by the denied note on last visit... ya right. so i went back to pennzoil. they claim they put in mercon/dexron iii atf plus additive 7176 to birng it to correct dodge spec.. is this bull is it acceptable is the correct stuff not available straight they claim its not available straight. thanks for any and all input. it drives fine that i can tell just dont want damage or warranty voided. ============ ============ ron check your mail. marshmonster .
From : ron
jay jaysmith@insightbb.com wrote in just keep driving it and before you get 10000 miles on that fluid you will know you made a mistake. shifts will get slower than it will not want to go into overdrive. then a few grand for a rebuild.pay a few hundred now or a few thousand later. get that stuff out of there. mercon/dextron + an additive is not the way to go. 7176 is an additive that claims to add similar characteristics of mopar atf+3. from allpars website do not use dexron with an additive. richard widman passed us an extensive report from reputable gas company chevron which compared atf+3 fluid with dexron plus various additives. they found that neither of two major brands matched atf+3s performance specs. furthermore your 2002 most likely requires fully synthetic atf +4 check your manual. most non-chrysler shops do not have atf+4 because until recently only mopar made it. the shop will most likely argue like crazy for the reason that they do not have atf+4 and apparently dont even have atf+3. for the $s saved its simply not worth it. use the fluid specified by dodge. ron wrote rather than have the dealer$ do the tranny flush and change i went to pennzoil drive in . 2002 dakota quad w 4.7. next time to dealer they remark tranny fluid is no good needs flush i didnt have time to give them the 3rd degree but they claimed they looked at it again and didnt just go by the denied note on last visit... ya right. so i went back to pennzoil. they claim they put in mercon/dexron iii atf plus additive 7176 to birng it to correct dodge spec.. is this bull is it acceptable is the correct stuff not available straight they claim its not available straight. thanks for any and all input. it drives fine that i can tell just dont want damage or warranty voided. appreciate the feedback will deal with it asap. first to pennzoil for a refund then maybe the dealer inspite they want 3 times the money !!! almost 300 bux !!! anymore info with references keep it comin printing them out and going back to pennzoil for either atf+4 or my money back !! thx ron .
From : marsh monster
aka-sbm wrote =========== =========== marshmonster wrote do me a favor. get a price on the canister filter the regular filter 7 quarts of atf4 and a pan gasket. then.....add a bit for labor you make the call charge a fair price on your labor. post the results. then ill tell you how much money you are losing after doing the job 10 times. oh yeah and if you find some shops out there that are doing this service with both filters and using atf4 for under $100......then stay away from them. theyre likely using the service as a loss leader to upsell you. ======== ======== doubtful...i know the wholesale price on all that and ya know its quite possible that they are simply being quite.....fair. its like this...if i post the wholesale prices on here you do remember the old mans got a dealership... then the high priced fellas might just go...damn..that aint right and no..that aint the price wholesale.. would just fucking suck would it not particularly in most cases its not the parts you are selling its your service. make it a hell of a lot harder to justify raping peeps wont it before you start...i am what some call a whore in the ac biz...im cheaper than most of the guys here but i bet i make more than the higher guys... figure it out. ========== ========== im not wanting to start anything. but if youre ass is gonna spout off and say that im overcharging then back it up with the proof. and.... i dont have a thing against productive debate.....but ive got a dang mighty rampant disposition on folks that go spouting off that i dont know my shit and then cant wont are unwilling to or dont know how to back up their acusations with fact. thats all i asked for. now..if you think someone in here is shallow minded enough to not realize that a damned dealership isnt making a profit or that their wholesale prices are bit better than over the counter sales......then youre a fkn idiot!! hows that for startn. now..before you go startn on me all ive done is ask you to prove or backup the fact that you insuated that i overcharge for a service that a whole hell of a lot of posters to this thread are backing up to be average. if you want to start a flame....which i dont think you do and i certainly dont care one way or the fkn other then i suggest you google my handle and add a few cus words to it. then talk to tommy whos attempted it himself. whom i must admit im growing fond of any whoooo..... by your own posting i can see why youre called a whore in the ac biz. me........... personally.... i give a shit what brand of parts i stick on my customers cars. i dont know how old you are dont give a shit!! i dont know how long youve actually been turning wrenches and selling jobs again....dont give a shit!!! but i m going to give your ignorant ass some free advice. consider it a sales seminar.....no fkn charge. pay attention only one free seminar per cussingmer now........ if youre not selling the quality of the parts youre using. then youre not working on my fkn car. cuz....im liable to thunk yer using autozonedout crap jest to save a buck. now....if no ones bothered to tell you... youre a whore if you put cheap parts on charge a cheap price just to get the job!!!!!! and...that statement of yours concerning this...totally negates any fkn service you could possibly be attempting to sell. you know....midas stays reeeeeellly bizzy putting on them mufflers theyre buying for $6-$12. you know the ones that rust out after one winter because the road salt eats their ass. any whooooo...... live in your $69 tranny service world on this particuler unit. me im eating steak tonight and aint fkn nobody in the process. tell yer pop i said keep up the good work thems some fine filters hes selln marshmonster .
From : miles
ron wrote appreciate the feedback will deal with it asap. first to pennzoil for a refund then maybe the dealer inspite they want 3 times the money !!! almost 300 bux !!! anymore info with references keep it comin printing them out and going back to pennzoil for either atf+4 or my money back !! $300 for a tranny flush at your dealer that seems way too high. dealers here are about $100 for atf+4. check your manual for required fluid type. my guess is that your manual will indicate atf+4 is required. if so there is no argument the penzoil shop can offer since the additive they use only brings it supposedly to atf+3 specs. .
From : marsh monster
ron wrote appreciate the feedback will deal with it asap. first to pennzoil for a refund then maybe the dealer inspite they want 3 times the money !!! almost 300 bux !!! anymore info with references keep it comin printing them out and going back to pennzoil for either atf+4 or my money back !! thx ron ========== ========== ron check yer mail again. marsh .
From : marsh monster
========= ========= miles wrote $300 for a tranny flush at your dealer that seems way too high. dealers here are about $100 for atf+4. check your manual for required fluid type. my guess is that your manual will indicate atf+4 is required. if so there is no argument the penzoil shop can offer since the additive they use only brings it supposedly to atf+3 specs. =========== =========== i get $149.00 for the service on that truck. not a flush job....a trans service. marshmonster when it comes to rebuilds......if you wanna rush it flush it .
From : tom lawrence
if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. not really. $30-$40 for the fluid remember dc thinks +4 is liquified gold... $20 for the filter/gasket... $90 for the hour labor minimum charge... it adds up. .
From : ron
tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. not really. $30-$40 for the fluid remember dc thinks +4 is liquified gold... $20 for the filter/gasket... $90 for the hour labor minimum charge... it adds up. also note i was talking canuck bucks - .
From : miles
tom lawrence wrote not really. $30-$40 for the fluid remember dc thinks +4 is liquified gold... $20 for the filter/gasket... $90 for the hour labor minimum charge... it adds up. how much fluid is in the pan my dealer charges $150 to drop the pan change the filter and do a complete flush. quite a few more quarts of that liquid gold stuff! .
From : jay
tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. not really. $30-$40 for the fluid remember dc thinks +4 is liquified gold... $20 for the filter/gasket... $90 for the hour labor minimum charge... it adds up. also note i was talking canuck bucks - if he has the tow package and changes both the filters it will take 2 gal 8 quarts of atf+4 to top off a 45rfe. i buy 6 gal a case at a time for around $17.50ea .
From : marsh monster
========== ========== marsh monster wrote i get $149.00 for the service on that truck. not a flush job....a trans service. ========== ========== miles wrote if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. if that includes the above plus a changing all fluid then its not too bad. ========== ========== and yer a sevice advisor.........where lmao marshmonster youve always got that quicklylubeit option......but....better make sure them teenagers dont add powersteering fluid to yer brake resevoir .
From : miles
marsh monster wrote if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. if that includes the above plus a changing all fluid then its not too bad. ========== ========== and yer a sevice advisor.........where and this is funny cuz why .
From : miles
marsh monster wrote what is a complete flush jest curious changing all fluid not just what drains out of the pan. .
From : marsh monster
tom lawrence wrote if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. not really. $30-$40 for the fluid remember dc thinks +4 is liquified gold... $20 for the filter/gasket... $90 for the hour labor minimum charge... it adds up. ========= ========= finally........ we agree. marsh is still looking for that srt10 with the tranny he wants it to have........ oh well.......a repost in 3 or 4 years and ill be vendicated .
From : marsh monster
miles wrote .. how much fluid is in the pan my dealer charges $150 to drop the pan change the filter and do a complete flush. quite a few more quarts of that liquid gold stuff! =========== =========== what is a complete flush jest curious marsh sips his crownroyal...takes a hit off his dooby......wonders if he should restring his penn tonight .
From : marsh monster
tom lawrence wrote if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. not really. $30-$40 for the fluid remember dc thinks +4 is liquified gold... $20 for the filter/gasket... $90 for the hour labor minimum charge... it adds up. ========= ========= tommy hes most likely got 2 filters. the screw on cannister type also. marsh adds more mushrooms to the pot.......mmmm......this is gonna be some good tea .
From : marsh monster
========= ========= marshmonster wrote what is a complete flush jest curious ======= ======== miles answered changing all fluid not just what drains out of the pan. ========= ========= oh. how do they get it all out again jest curious marsh sips his crownroyal.......lights a smoke.....wonders.....if he should run out to the outfitters shop......nah.....my takle box is full .
From : marsh monster
inline =========== =========== miles wrote if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. if that includes the above plus a changing all fluid then its not too bad. ========== ======== marsh monster wrote and yer a sevice advisor.........where ======== ======== miles wrote and this is funny cuz why ======== ======== we must be reading different threads..... i appologize. i thought we were both reading this one.....where everyone but you seems to think that my price is fair. again my apologeeeeze marsh sips his crownroyal.....takes a hit off his doooby .
From : tom lawrence
finally........ we agree. oh weve agreed on other things in the past... i just never told ya .
From : akasbm
marsh monster wrote if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. if that includes the above plus a changing all fluid then its not too bad. ========== ========== and yer a sevice advisor.........where and this is funny cuz why dunno but i know that there are several shops around here that are $118-$135 for a flush. .
From : akasbm
inline =========== =========== miles wrote if your shop is only dropping the pan replace the filter and a few quarts of fluid then $149 is way too high. if that includes the above plus a changing all fluid then its not too bad. ========== ======== marsh monster wrote and yer a sevice advisor.........where ======== ======== miles wrote and this is funny cuz why ======== ======== we must be reading different threads..... i appologize. i thought we were both reading this one.....where everyone but you seems to think that my price is fair. fair depends on your area. here i would say you are the highest i have seen....and therefore not fair. nyc you might be bottom of the barrel cheap. again my apologeeeeze marsh sips his crownroyal.....takes a hit off his doooby .
From : miles
marsh monster wrote oh. how do they get it all out the line going to the cooler is opened and the old is pumped out as new is put in. considerably more fluid is changed this way. still i like to drop the pan now and then to change the filter. i suppose the bands could be adjusted at this time as well but most seem to tell me little adjustment is needed unless high mileage. .
From : matt
it seems like every other post this month is about a problem with a dakota. is it a new april 2006 bug induced problem dodge came out to withmake money ;- i kinda noticed it myself. makes me glad i gave the 93 dakota to my son he needs some spending experience about now. fmb now im nervous. my 97 dakota has 190000 miles on it and its running fine. ken .
From : ron
could be the throttle body sensor or it needs adjustment.. i am experiencing an intermittent problem with sudden loss of power and bogging down. with my 95 ram 1500 318 sometimes at sustained freeway speeds engine suddenly loses power and runs terribly and will run only with minimum throttle and with too much throttle will backfire and possibly die after i pull over and wait five to ten minutes engine will usually run perfectly again this problem can happen after five miles or five hundred in hot or cold weather. i do not smell any gas fumes in fact i first had this problem in florida and it resolved itself then drove to california with no problem now problem is back i have replaced egr and control solenoid found it melted due to contact with exhaust system cat converter temp sender and a few other sending units checked for exhaust obstructions. i also noticed that there seems to be a vacuum in the fuel tank when the problem occurs if i loosen fuel cap i hear air rushing in past the cap the cap passed the cal smog test but i have replaced it with a new stant replacement still get vacuum or possibly pressure but it sounds like a vacuum is this normal could a vacuum be forming in the tank and causing the
From : marsh monster
code 0237 turbo boost sensor a circuit low what to do voltage from the map sensor is too low. its the three-wire sensor/connector on the top of the intake manifold towards the back of the engine. first remove the connector and check the general condition of the wires connector and pins. clean anything that looks like it would cause a poor connection. if that doesnt do it turn the ignition on and check voltage between the orange +5v and black/blue ground. if theres no voltage there or its significantly less than 5v under 4.5v theres a wiring problem. next make a jumper wire to connect the orange and gray/red wires together feeding full reference voltage to the signal circuit then start the engine. check for codes. if a p0238 is set means map sensor voltage too high your wiring is good and youll need a new map sensor. otherwise you have a wiring problem. bad sensor bad wire big $$$ at the stealership id put a nickel on a bad map sensor myself... .
From : ron
marsh monster marshmonster2624@aol.com wrote in snip later that day the owner called to confirm he had been on the phone all morning with chrysler the bulk atf+4 was coming in from chrysler. snip so i go in tomorrow inspect the bulk barrel label and have it redone. i agreed to pay an extra $35 can for the difference in fluid costs.... fair is fair. ron update again after if nec. ========= ========= glad to hear theyre working with you ron. marsh just came back no bulk they had to buy 50 mopar 1 litre plastic jugs to fill up their machine so it only had atf+4 in it ! their wholesaler says dodge is the only mfgr that stick to the no-subs rule. they are giving in for me but insist there is evidence and laws contrary to argue dodges stand. ... im not interested in that battle.... ron ps do you think the next dodge is going to get atf+4 .
From : jay
ok i have to say this has me worried a little. i have a 91 dakota that i usually take to pennzoil for oil change air filter etc. one of the last times i took it there they drained all the oil out and told me to start er up i always stay in the car while they do the work. when i asked if they had put oil back in they looked dumbfounded. but back to topic i had them to change the trans fluid and occasionally the truck wont go into over drive. what do i need to do to halt any further damage! take it to a dealer/professional and have them flush it thanks matt just keep driving it and before you get 10000 miles on that fluid you will know you made a mistake. shifts will get slower than it will not want to go into overdrive. then a few grand for a rebuild.pay a few hundred now or a few thousand later. matt what i said above only applied to the 45rfe and the 545rfe transmissions. they are only used behind the 4.7l and 5.7l hemi. you dont need atf+4 in your truck. do they change your transmission filters at pennzoil if so you done what you can do being a 91 it may be getting to the end of its life. id get some referrals from friends and coworkers for a shop that only does transmission work. you dont need the dealers high prices. .
From : akasbm
aka-sbm wrote =========== =========== marshmonster wrote do me a favor. get a price on the canister filter the regular filter 7 quarts of atf4 and a pan gasket. then.....add a bit for labor you make the call charge a fair price on your labor. post the results. then ill tell you how much money you are losing after doing the job 10 times. oh yeah and if you find some shops out there that are doing this service with both filters and using atf4 for under $100......then stay away from them. theyre likely using the service as a loss leader to upsell you. ======== ======== doubtful...i know the wholesale price on all that and ya know its quite possible that they are simply being quite.....fair. its like this...if i post the wholesale prices on here you do remember the old mans got a dealership... then the high priced fellas might just go...damn..that aint right and no..that aint the price wholesale.. would just fucking suck would it not particularly in most cases its not the parts you are selling its your service. make it a hell of a lot harder to justify raping peeps wont it before you start...i am what some call a whore in the ac biz...im cheaper than most of the guys here but i bet i make more than the higher guys... figure it out. ========== ========== im not wanting to start anything. but if youre ass is gonna spout off and say that im overcharging then back it up with the proof. and.... i dont have a thing against productive debate.....but ive got a dang mighty rampant disposition on folks that go spouting off that i dont know my shit and then cant wont are unwilling to or dont know how to back up their acusations with fact. ok..im an ass and you are an ignorant fucktard. i never said you were overcharging..but you know..its obvious that you are. thats all i asked for. now..if you think someone in here is shallow minded enough to not realize that a damned dealership isnt making a profit or that their wholesale prices are bit better than over the counter sales......then youre a fkn idiot!! hows that for startn. now..before you go startn on me all ive done is ask you to prove or backup the fact that you insuated that i overcharge for a service that a whole hell of a lot of posters to this thread are backing up to be average. if you want to start a flame....which i dont think you do and i certainly dont care one way or the fkn other then i suggest you google my handle and add a few cus words to it. then talk to tommy whos attempted it himself. whom i must admit im growing fond of any whoooo..... by your own posting i can see why youre called a whore in the ac biz. yea...sucks to command $140 an hour get it and still be the cheap boy in the area..its ok..its paid for a home on both coasts a fleet of trucks and several toys... one you might have seen several times as many in here have....and they can tell you...no dumbass put it together...or rather..someone like you would be told to get his fucking mitts off it or lose em. me........... personally.... i give a shit what brand of parts i stick on my customers cars. i dont know how old you are dont give a shit!! i dont know how long youve actually been turning wrenches and selling jobs again....dont give a shit!!! but i m going to give your ignorant ass some free advice. consider it a sales seminar.....no fkn charge. pay attention only one free seminar per cussingmer now........ if youre not selling the quality of the parts youre using. then youre not working on my fkn car. you could not get that lucky..but then you are a relative newbie here so its ok. i doubt that you would want me to anyway..i mean..from some of the shit you posted in here im sure you are quite happy with your pos jalopy. cuz....im liable to thunk yer using autozonedout crap jest to save a buck. now....if no ones bothered to tell you... youre a whore if you put cheap parts on charge a cheap price just to get the job!!!!!! and...that statement of yours concerning this...totally negates any fkn service you could possibly be attempting to sell. you know....midas stays reeeeeellly bizzy putting on them mufflers theyre buying for $6-$12. you know the ones that rust out after one winter because the road salt eats their ass. any whooooo...... live in your $69 tranny service world on this particuler unit. me im eating steak tonight and aint fkn nobody in the process. tell yer pop i said keep up the good work thems some fine filters hes selln yea..mopar....care for me to post the fucking wholesale prices with part numbers marshmonster more like mushhead.. well looks like we found another to add to the sf file that was started so long ao.. oh..and you keep on charging...from the looks of things you might even need to go up. i mean...with gas hitting $3.60 a ga
From : marsh monster
ok..im an ass and you are an ignorant fucktard. i never said you were overcharging..but you know..its obvious that you are. yea...sucks to command $140 an hour get it and still be the cheap boy in the area..its ok..its paid for a home on both coasts a fleet of trucks and several toys... yea..mopar....care for me to post the fucking wholesale prices with part numbers =========== =========== im surprised at you......!!!!! wasnt it you who said and i quote let them know what you did why you did it and address all their concerns. do that and you can charge whatever you want and tehy will call. so i guess we know how you got that fleet of trucks aye. by bullshitn your way into ripn folks off. any whooo...... as far as posting the prices...... your refusal to do so is what started all this. asswipe and as far as being a newbie in this ng well believe what you want you ignorant fk. marsh takes a pull on his homegrown......mmmm......thats some good stuff .