Tranny or clutch problem?

From : dan ambornadam root localhost

Q: i just installed a flowmaster cat back exhaust and a set of edelbrock shorty headers today on my 97 dodge ram 1500. now i want to replace the factory valve covers to give my 5.9l a little style. i prefer aluminum and saw that summit sells the 1992-2000 mopar performance set for $183! a little spendy. i wonder why they charge so much for a valve cover set for these years does anyone have a recommendation for a good set of aluminum valve that dont cost much over $100 and still look good just in case i get desperate and decide on the mopar covers. are they a drop on installation with all the hose grommets and all like the original set i really like the black set saying mopar performance its the price i dont like. -- dan amborn damborn@guy.com .

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From : budd cochran

im twenty years older to the day than nate collier. -- budd cochran and if that were my only experience it would still be more experience than you. -- like i asked you before how old are you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : redneck tookover hell

yeah those pilot bearing do bad all the time. seems like ive had to replace those every 20 years or so real high failure rate. and not to forget the spinning transmission with the clutch engaged syndrome when else should it spin im really learning a lot from all of your highly knowledgeable mechanical diagnois tom as i am sure others are also. i cant imagine how thered be any confusion in your razor sharp diagnosis. actually i was thinking more of the pilot bearing rather than the throw out bearing as a possible cause of your problems. if it is doing bad it will spin the trans even with the clutch engaged. sorry for the confusion. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : tbone

if it was the syncros that were bad there would be no rpm changes with the clutch fully engaged while you were changing gears since the trans would have been effectively disengaged from the engine at that point. i am not sure how a worn clutch would cause this either but a bad throw out bearing could. since you need to take the clutch housing off to get to it you might as well replace the clutch as well and not have to worry about doing it again anytime soon. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. .

From : tbone

actually i was thinking more of the pilot bearing rather than the throw out bearing as a possible cause of your problems. if it is doing bad it will spin the trans even with the clutch engaged. sorry for the confusion. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving if it was the syncros that were bad there would be no rpm changes with the clutch fully engaged while you were changing gears since the trans would have been effectively disengaged from the engine at that point. i am not sure how a worn clutch would cause this either but a bad throw out bearing could. since you need to take the clutch housing off to get to it you might as well replace the clutch as well and not have to worry about doing it again anytime soon. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. .

From : jerrybudd cochran

roy wrote the gerbil wasnt beaten up he was shoved to the ground. ya have to get to reality here. the way i saw it he wasnt even shoved to the ground. i think his fat little body and momentum is what put his face in the turf. arms up side step and little fat guy eats grass. jerry .

From : tbone

yeah those pilot bearing do bad all the time. seems like ive had to replace those every 20 years or so real high failure rate. and not to forget the spinning transmission with the clutch engaged syndrome when else should it spin im really learning a lot from all of your highly knowledgeable mechanical diagnois tom as i am sure others are also. i cant imagine how thered be any confusion in your razor sharp diagnosis. are you really this desperate red. btw what is a diagnois does this have anything to do with you master cylinder analysis lol. the doing bad was my damn spell checker changing the word and the fact that i was not paying attention. as for the clutch being engaged i was referring to stepping on the clutch and engaging the linkage fork throw out bearing pressure plate... but we both know that you knew that. are you saying that it is impossible for the pilot bearing to fail or are you just trying to play class clown #2 since you like to but in with that big mouth flappin away what is your diagnosis -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

if it was the syncros that were bad there would be no rpm changes with the clutch fully engaged while you were changing gears since the trans would have been effectively disengaged from the engine at that point. i am not sure how a worn clutch would cause this either but a bad throw out bearing could. since you need to take the clutch housing off to get to it you might as well replace the clutch as well and not have to worry about doing it again anytime soon. you need to remove the bell houseing to change the throw out bearing guess things have changed. roy -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. .

From : roy

ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : denny

you need to remove the bell houseing to change the throw out bearing guess things have changed. roy -- roy i realize back in your days horses didnt use t/o bearings but unless you have a really sneaky way of getting the input shaft of the trans out of the clutch disc without backing off the trans you are waaaaaaay better than i am. bg what you are probably forgetting is the bellhousing is part of the trans casting on most of the newer trannys. denny .

From : roy

you need to remove the bell houseing to change the throw out bearing guess things have changed. roy -- roy i realize back in your days horses didnt use t/o bearings but unless you have a really sneaky way of getting the input shaft of the trans out of the clutch disc without backing off the trans you are waaaaaaay better than i am. bg what you are probably forgetting is the bellhousing is part of the trans casting on most of the newer trannys. denny so things have changed.g that being the case the labor to r&r a clutch assy should be less where you are eliminating a step. how many hours for the job roy .

From : budd cochran

how odd my spell checkers for both oe and netscape including mozilla require that i ok any changes to the wording . . . . . an engaged clutch has always been a clutch that is in contact with the flywheel due to the clamping force from the pressure plate and thusly able to deliver engine power to the transmission. its never been what you choose to try to spin it into. wherever you worked as a technician must have used some really strange terminology. . . or were you on the wash / lube rack -- budd cochran are you really this desperate red. btw what is a diagnois does this have anything to do with you master cylinder analysis lol. the doing bad was my damn spell checker changing the word and the fact that i was not paying attention. as for the clutch being engaged i was referring to stepping on the clutch and engaging the linkage fork throw out bearing pressure plate... but we both know that you knew that. are you saying that it is impossible for the pilot bearing to fail or are you just trying to play class clown #2 since you like to but in with that big mouth flappin away what is your diagnosis -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

if it was the syncros that were bad there would be no rpm changes with the clutch fully engaged while you were changing gears since the trans would have been effectively disengaged from the engine at that point. i am not sure how a worn clutch would cause this either but a bad throw out bearing could. since you need to take the clutch housing off to get to it you might as well replace the clutch as well and not have to worry about doing it again anytime soon. you need to remove the bell houseing to change the throw out bearing guess things have changed. roy perhaps if you actually took the time to do just a micron of research before jumping in you would know that the bell housing of the nv3500 that this truck uses is part of the transmission. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

has anybody considered the clutch might need adjusting or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models -- budd cochran ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : denny

you need to remove the bell houseing to change the throw out bearing guess things have changed. roy -- roy i realize back in your days horses didnt use t/o bearings but unless you have a really sneaky way of getting the input shaft of the trans out of the clutch disc without backing off the trans you are waaaaaaay better than i am. bg what you are probably forgetting is the bellhousing is part of the trans casting on most of the newer trannys. denny so things have changed.g that being the case the labor to r&r a clutch assy should be less where you are eliminating a step. how many hours for the job roy without looking up the times a 2wd is usually about 4 hrs a 4wd is about 5-5 1/2 hrs. this is including resurfacing the flywheel. denny .

From : denny

hydraulic cyl is self adjusting. its almost goober proof.... denny has anybody considered the clutch might need adjusting or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models -- budd cochran ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : tbone

how do you adjust a hydraulic clutch all knowing one -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving has anybody considered the clutch might need adjusting or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models -- budd cochran ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : neil nelson

adam root@localhost wrote ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles snip i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. was this done with the truck moving or stationary if the truck wasnt moving this particular test is meaningless since there would be no motion between the synchro hub and the blocker synchro clutch. iows even a non-synchromesh transmission can be easily shifted in and out of gear when the vehicle is stopped. go to a real transmission shop where theyve actually seen the inside of a manual transmission and understand what happens inside of one. my initial instincts make me think either synchros or excessive front to back slop between gears 1 & 2 on the mainshaft possibly a broken snap-ring... .

From : budd cochran

-- budd cochran how odd my spell checkers for both oe and netscape including mozilla require that i ok any changes to the wording . . . . . perhaps that was the not paying attentoin part that you seemed to have missed. an engaged clutch has always been a clutch that is in contact with the flywheel due to the clamping force from the pressure plate and thusly able to deliver engine power to the transmission. its never been what you choose to try to spin it into. i was referring to the linkage and should have said when the pedal was depressed but i thought that you were more grown up than this silly me. wherever you worked as a technician must have used some really strange terminology. . . or were you on the wash / lube rack yet more petty insults lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

dang it!!! hit the wrong button. -- budd cochran perhaps that was the not paying attentoin part that you seemed to have missed. i saw it thought it was a normal mental state for you. an engaged clutch has always been a clutch that is in contact with the flywheel due to the clamping force from the pressure plate and thusly able to deliver engine power to the transmission. its never been what you choose to try to spin it into. i was referring to the linkage and should have said when the pedal was depressed but i thought that you were more grown up than this silly me. agreed it was silly of you to think there is no one here with enough experience to catch your attempt to spin your way out and to catch this continued attempt to spin words. you just got caught tom. i knew you would screw up eventually wherever you worked as a technician must have used some really strange terminology. . . or were you on the wash / lube rack yet more petty insults lol. nope. an honest question. i worked the wash/ detail bay at the gm dealership i was employed at. theres no shame in it but it might explain your lack of mechanical skills and knowledge. i mean not having any real wrench turning experience is a distinct possiblity if you only worked a wash rack. youre getting so very paranoid acting lately. taking offense when none was meant. budd .

From : gary glaenzer

do you often confuse questions with statements know-nothing how do you adjust a hydraulic clutch all knowing one -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving has anybody considered the clutch might need adjusting or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models -- budd cochran ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : roy

if it was the syncros that were bad there would be no rpm changes with the clutch fully engaged while you were changing gears since the trans would have been effectively disengaged from the engine at that point. i am not sure how a worn clutch would cause this either but a bad throw out bearing could. since you need to take the clutch housing off to get to it you might as well replace the clutch as well and not have to worry about doing it again anytime soon. you need to remove the bell houseing to change the throw out bearing guess things have changed. roy perhaps if you actually took the time to do just a micron of research before jumping in you would know that the bell housing of the nv3500 that this truck uses is part of the transmission. someday youll learn to read. i asked a question. denny answered it. as i said guess things have changed now perhaps youll bring your wealth of info to bear and explain wtf your doing changing gears with the clutch fully engaged. ya have a slick shift box you can babble about research all you want but it is obvious to most that you have zilch for practical experience. .

From : tbone

statements dont have question marks pinhead. no go back into your corner and sulk again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving do you often confuse questions with statements know-nothing how do you adjust a hydraulic clutch all knowing one -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving has anybody considered the clutch might need adjusting or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models -- budd cochran ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : tbone

if it was the syncros that were bad there would be no rpm changes with the clutch fully engaged while you were changing gears since the trans would have been effectively disengaged from the engine at that point. i am not sure how a worn clutch would cause this either but a bad throw out bearing could. since you need to take the clutch housing off to get to it you might as well replace the clutch as well and not have to worry about doing it again anytime soon. you need to remove the bell houseing to change the throw out bearing guess things have changed. roy perhaps if you actually took the time to do just a micron of research before jumping in you would know that the bell housing of the nv3500 that this truck uses is part of the transmission. someday youll learn to read. i asked a question. denny answered it. as i said guess things have changed now perhaps youll bring your wealth of info to bear and explain wtf your doing changing gears with the clutch fully engaged. ya have a slick shift box you can babble about research all you want but it is obvious to most that you have zilch for practical experience. really roy and you would know this how i do tend to shift without the clutch as it is usually not needed. most big rig drivers that i know do that as well. since many transmissions have integral bell housings the one that is lacking in experience appears to be you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

thanks denny. i know some of the older hydraulics setups still had a clearance setting for the pushrod to the clutch fork of about a quarter inch or so. the ih bobtail i drove for the recycling outfit in co had a misadjusted pushrod when we got it. it slipped when hot and the adjustment cured the problem. -- budd cochran hydraulic cyl is self adjusting. its almost goober proof.... denny has anybody considered the clutch might need adjusting or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models -- budd cochran ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : redneck tookover hell

i saw plenty of horse throw out bearings this summer & fall. damn things were all over the roads & streets after parades!!!!! g on the dragster i just move the engine foreward when changing trannys. couldnt you just do that oh and the powerglide has a removeable bellhousing/transmission shield g -- roy i realize back in your days horses didnt use t/o bearings but unless a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : redneck tookover hell

must be not paying attention bg dang it!!! hit the wrong button. budd cochran perhaps that was the not paying attentoin part that you seemed to have missed. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : budd cochran

new mouse one of the microsoft optical laser things and i cant rest my index finger on the left button like i did my old mouse. -- budd cochran must be not paying attention bg dang it!!! hit the wrong button. budd cochran perhaps that was the not paying attentoin part that you seemed to have missed. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : tbone

this post has the most useful information from you ever. please keep up the good work. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- budd cochran how odd my spell checkers for both oe and netscape including mozilla require that i ok any changes to the wording . . . . . perhaps that was the not paying attentoin part that you seemed to have missed. an engaged clutch has always been a clutch that is in contact with the flywheel due to the clamping force from the pressure plate and thusly able to deliver engine power to the transmission. its never been what you choose to try to spin it into. i was referring to the linkage and should have said when the pedal was depressed but i thought that you were more grown up than this silly me. wherever you worked as a technician must have used some really strange terminology. . . or were you on the wash / lube rack yet more petty insults lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

someday youll learn to read. i asked a question. denny answered it. as i said guess things have changed now perhaps youll bring your wealth of info to bear and explain wtf your doing changing gears with the clutch fully engaged. ya have a slick shift box you can babble about research all you want but it is obvious to most that you have zilch for practical experience. really roy and you would know this how gee tom all one has to do is read your posts. i do tend to shift without the clutch as it is usually not needed. another intelligent statement. most big rig drivers that i know do that as well. do ya think that there might be a bit of difference between the transmission in a otr and the transmission in this guys dak that would enable the driver to do this without damageing it over the long term since many transmissions have integral bell housings the one that is lacking in experience appears to be you. and there are many that do not. if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

with a hydraulic wrench brake fluid breath na that would be you master cylinder boy. how exactly does this hydraulic wrench make the adjustment. with your extreem knowledge of hydraulic systems i cant wait to hear the answer to this one. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : kevingary glaenzer

i have just gone through your situation i went with the bf goodrich all terrain kos so far i love them. they are a little nosier that the originals but then they were junk. whatever you do dont let some tire guy tell you they 265/75/16 will fit on your truck they wont. they will rub on the front fender wells when you turn. i physically tried the 75s from 2 different mfgs with the same result. your have a very limited selection of tires with the dakota i found 4 mfgs that make tires in that size bfg bridgestone/firestone goodyear and in think yokohamma. tires for that truck will cost you a good penny. kevin spam@comcast.net says... getting ready to buy new tires for my dakota---the originals were okay but any recommendations out there for 265/70/16 i like my bridgestone dueler a/ts. .

From : neil nelson

tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote snip what part of that dont you understand. does the input shaft of the trans not sit in the pilot bearing. will a seizing pilot bearing not try and turn the input shaft on its own it might. do you know anything at all a bad seizingthrow out bearing may also try and turn the shaft. i dont see how unless the seized t-o bearing had eaten its way thru the front bearing retainer and was actually making physical contact with the input shaft and the symptoms as described do not support that theory -and- iirc this isnt a ford ranger ;- it could also be a bent fork damaged fork pivot and even the clutch slave or master cylinder could be going bad and no longer fully extending the slave cylinder and not fully disengaging the clutch. it could be but the symptoms for the above listed malfunctions would be gear clash when shifting into any gear from neutral with the vehicle stationary instead of as the op described gear clash when shifting gears on drive off vehicle moving. with the exception of the slave and master clutch cylinders you will need to remove the trans to find out if anything is wrong and dont need to be a trans expert to figure this out. well removing the trans isnt going to solve much of the puzzle imo disassembly -is- going to be required along with possibly some careful measurement in which case a trans expert would be highly advised. but hey wtf after 25+ years of doing everything from dump trucks to chevettes i could be wrong. snip .

From : redneck tookover hell

more spin from the mudhole genius where did you say your transmission repair facility is again i must have missed reading your answer i suggest you read or have the neighborhood 5 year old read you neils answers so you don t appear quite as mis-informed next time. oh and the rest of the posters in here arent responsible for you being an idiot so quite blaming us/them that is correct at least you know how to read unless someone is reading it to you. i should know better than to assume in here. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : gary glaenzer

do you often miss question marks at the ends of sentences myopic one or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models statements dont have question marks pinhead. no go back into your corner and sulk again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving do you often confuse questions with statements know-nothing how do you adjust a hydraulic clutch all knowing one -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving has anybody considered the clutch might need adjusting or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models -- budd cochran ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : tbone

someday youll learn to read. i asked a question. denny answered it. as i said guess things have changed now perhaps youll bring your wealth of info to bear and explain wtf your doing changing gears with the clutch fully engaged. ya have a slick shift box you can babble about research all you want but it is obvious to most that you have zilch for practical experience. really roy and you would know this how gee tom all one has to do is read your posts. it is beginning to look like the pot kettle black thing again. i do tend to shift without the clutch as it is usually not needed. another intelligent statement. now you are beginning to show your lack of experience. most big rig drivers that i know do that as well. do ya think that there might be a bit of difference between the transmission in a otr and the transmission in this guys dak that would enable the driver to do this without damageing it over the long term that makes no difference. if done correctly it puts no strain on the transmission at all. if done incorrectly or at the wrong times either transmission can be damaged. since many transmissions have integral bell housings the one that is lacking in experience appears to be you. and there are many that do not. and hence the micron of research to find out. but even at that the newer nv4500 dodge transmissions with the gas powered engines also require removal of the housing to get to the fork and bearing. perhaps i read your post wrong but with the bs i constantly get from red budd and maxi what do you expect and with this type of responce to it i dont think i was all that far off the mark. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : redneck tookover hellredneck tookover hell

stock are 1.6 on magnum engines. 5.2 or 5.9 dakota or ram i figure if valve lift is like it used to be .410 lift with 1.5 ratio rockers then the valve lift should be .464 with the 1.7 rockers. yep did they switch over to stud mounted rockers with the magnum engine a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : redneck tookover hell

with a hydraulic wrench brake fluid breath how do you adjust a hydraulic clutch all knowing one a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : mac davistbone

on 14 oct 2003 030354 gmt mopar440@aol.comedy.biz redneck tookover hell wrote didnt know you were turning into such a camping advocate. best thing about an rv/trailer etc is that when you park it at the site youre set up ready to camp turn off the key and break out the mgd. one of the better deals in your neck of the woods is going over to the san simeon area in the winter. been a couple years but at that time as long as you were self contained you could camp on highway 1 in the turnouts for free and be overlooking the ocean. best part in the winter was no crowds no fog and lots of weather to stir up the ocean. oh and im really surprised you havent asked all the experts if you got a good deal !!!!!!!!!! bfg hell red.... we were looking for a friggin popup to pull with the dak when all this started!!! we have a place down that way that we really like... plaskitsp creek state campgrounds a little south of big sur... just on the dry side of highway 1... camp in the forest but hear surf and seals at night... looking forward to going there once we get the trailer and i get used to pulling it... we didnt even research the price... from what we had seen in the local papers it was gonna cost us $12 to $15k to get a 1990 - 1996 chevy or ford... and we walked right into this 99 ram for less than $14k... and the wife loves the laramie package... we drove it and it felt so right to both of us that we didnt care how good the deal was... bottom line was that we wanted it didnt want to tear up the dak towing the beast and it was affordable.. 4700 pound trailer with the dak... then today we went to our dodge dealer to have the 38000 mile service done on the dak and while we were there we fell in love with a forest green ram.. lol a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : tbone

a statement has a period even if worded as a question ignorant one. what i said was also a question how do you adjust the hydraulic clutch cylinder on the dodge it does make me laugh that with you being one of the so-called trans experts in here all you can do is come up with some silly attacks against me lol. perhaps you might want to actually help someone every now and then or am i just expecting to much from you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving do you often miss question marks at the ends of sentences myopic one or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models statements dont have question marks pinhead. no go back into your corner and sulk again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving do you often confuse questions with statements know-nothing how do you adjust a hydraulic clutch all knowing one -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving has anybody considered the clutch might need adjusting or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models -- budd cochran ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : tbone

yknow for someone who doesnt know a statement from a question sorry gary but that would be you. a question mark at the end of a sentence makes it a question any way you look at it. perhaps you should not have dropped out of school before the 5th grade. i really hope that you dont repair your customers transmissions with this level of expertise. and speaking of questions you have yet to answer any of mine why is that and doesnt know engaged from disengaged youre a real hoot i forgot to add the word linkage into the statement after the word clutch big deal. with all of the discussions that have gone on in here and this is the best that you can do i guess that it screams just how little you know about just about anything. btw if you are such an expert where is your diagnosis that was a question gary not a statement! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : gary glaenzer

yknow for someone who doesnt know a statement from a question and doesnt know engaged from disengaged youre a real hoot i see now why max and budd keep on your case youre a never-ending source of amusement a statement has a period even if worded as a question ignorant one. what i said was also a question how do you adjust the hydraulic clutch cylinder on the dodge it does make me laugh that with you being one of the so-called trans experts in here all you can do is come up with some silly attacks against me lol. perhaps you might want to actually help someone every now and then or am i just expecting to much from you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving do you often miss question marks at the ends of sentences myopic one or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models statements dont have question marks pinhead. no go back into your corner and sulk again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving do you often confuse questions with statements know-nothing how do you adjust a hydraulic clutch all knowing one -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving has anybody considered the clutch might need adjusting or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models -- budd cochran ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : redneck tookover hell

awwww are the big bad boys picking on poor little tommy again not very far from the mark you couldnt hit your ass with both hands maybe you ought to try engaging your brain instead of your clutch when trying to shift gears perhaps i read your post wrong but with the bs i constantly get from red budd and maxi what do you expect and with this type of responce to it i dont think i was all that far off the mark. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : redneck tookover hell

i forgot to add the word linkage into the statement after the word clutch big deal. you forgot yeah it is a big deal genius. the man asked a question you post erroneous bullshit. between neil and gary theyve forgotten more than you ever had an inkling of. regarding transmissions and mechanicals. get a clue btw you havent answered the question about how the transmission spins without the clutch being engaged and what about the pilot bearing you backing away from that bs and trying to spin yourself out of another mudhole you dug yourself into genius and where did you say your transmission shop is located inside the local jiffy quaker pennzoil checker lube facility a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : budd cochran

and nothing useful from you. which is normal for you. -- budd cochran this post has the most useful information from you ever. please keep up the good work. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- budd cochran how odd my spell checkers for both oe and netscape including mozilla require that i ok any changes to the wording . . . . . perhaps that was the not paying attentoin part that you seemed to have missed. an engaged clutch has always been a clutch that is in contact with the flywheel due to the clamping force from the pressure plate and thusly able to deliver engine power to the transmission. its never been what you choose to try to spin it into. i was referring to the linkage and should have said when the pedal was depressed but i thought that you were more grown up than this silly me. wherever you worked as a technician must have used some really strange terminology. . . or were you on the wash / lube rack yet more petty insults lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

my concern is that his misinformation might get someone hurt . . or worse. -- budd cochran yknow for someone who doesnt know a statement from a question and doesnt know engaged from disengaged youre a real hoot i see now why max and budd keep on your case youre a never-ending source of amusement a statement has a period even if worded as a question ignorant one. what i said was also a question how do you adjust the hydraulic clutch cylinder on the dodge it does make me laugh that with you being one of the so-called trans experts in here all you can do is come up with some silly attacks against me lol. perhaps you might want to actually help someone every now and then or am i just expecting to much from you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving do you often miss question marks at the ends of sentences myopic one or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models statements dont have question marks pinhead. no go back into your corner and sulk again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving do you often confuse questions with statements know-nothing how do you adjust a hydraulic clutch all knowing one -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving has anybody considered the clutch might need adjusting or is that automatically done now and therefore prone to failure on the later models -- budd cochran ive got a 99 dakota with the 3.9l v6 manual trans. 86k+ miles shifting into second gear has become problematic both up and down. sometimes it hangs up and is difficult to shift and sometimes it grinds a little. this problem is most apparent when the engine is cold and especially when the weather is cold. when things warm up it shifts a little easier though i still find myself double-clutching into second gear. i immediately suspected syncros so i took the truck down to a shop. the guy had me start the engine hold the clutch in and then he shifted the trans from 1st to second to third back down etc. he said it wasnt the syncros otherwise it would be grinding during this procedure. i put the stick in neutral let out the clutch pushed it back in and shifted into second without any hangups or grinds. he said this strongly suggests a worn clutch saying the shifting action on the stick felt fine. he said that sometimes the clutch gets to a point where it does not fully disengage thus making it difficult when the vehicle is moving to shift into certain gears. i checked the hydraulic fluid level and its full. i dont see how a worn-out clutch would be problematic disengaging but im no mechanic. however the throwout bearing has been rough for a couple years; possible source of the problem i tried an experiment. going down a hill i held a steady speed and shifted between first and second gear with the clutch pushed all the way in. the tach reacted slightly each time i shifted by about 50-100 rpm. the garage i talked to said they could replace the clutch for $700. ideas are my syncros whacked is this shop bs-ing me is he right on the money he wasnt a tranny shop; i might take it to a tranny shop for their opinion. your syncros seem okay per your description. at 86k a clutch assy is probably in order. a bill of $700 even if they are doing the flywheel is a little steep imo. but im not in the trade so i may very well be wrong. i wouldnt figure it would take more than 3 hours to r&4r the assy. though. roy .

From : tbone

must you continually respond like a 5 year old. now this is a statement gary!!! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and nothing useful from you. which is normal for you. -- budd cochran this post has the most useful information from you ever. please keep up the good work. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- budd cochran how odd my spell checkers for both oe and netscape including mozilla require that i ok any changes to the wording . . . . . perhaps that was the not paying attentoin part that you seemed to have missed. an engaged clutch has always been a clutch that is in contact with the flywheel due to the clamping force from the pressure plate and thusly able to deliver engine power to the transmission. its never been what you choose to try to spin it into. i was referring to the linkage and should have said when the pedal was depressed but i thought that you were more grown up than this silly me. wherever you worked as a technician must have used some really strange terminology. . . or were you on the wash / lube rack yet more petty insults lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

my concern is that his misinformation might get someone hurt . . or worse. -- back to these old lies again. with the crap that you spew out you should be more concerned about what you say. you just feel hurt about something and are striking out like a little baby once again what else is new. what did i say that could in any way hurt anyone this is a question gary the answer would be nothing and you know that well... with your extreme lack of knowledge and no common sense probably not. never mind. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : redneck tookover hellgary glaenzer

yep just as soon as you set up a site im sure you will be glad to do that out of the goodness of your heart you are so welcome in advance also i am looking for a 1998 dodge ram 1500 owners manual. are they available for dl via pdf i know where i can order one but was wondering if there anything newer or more current. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : tbone

i forgot to add the word linkage into the statement after the word clutch big deal. you forgot that is correct at least you know how to read unless someone is reading it to you. i should know better than to assume in here. yeah it is a big deal genius. the man asked a question you post erroneous bullshit. the only one bullshitting in here is you. between neil and gary theyve forgotten more than you ever had an inkling of. regarding transmissions and mechanicals. get a clue oh really then where is garys diagnosis or even ideas as to what might be the problem and speaking of that where are your answers. 98% of the posts that you respond to contain nothing more than your typical wise assed comments. i guess that says a lot about you. btw you havent answered the question about how the transmission spins without the clutch being engaged and what about the pilot bearing what part of that dont you understand. does the input shaft of the trans not sit in the pilot bearing. will a seizing pilot bearing not try and turn the input shaft on its own do you know anything at all a bad seizingthrow out bearing may also try and turn the shaft. it could also be a bent fork damaged fork pivot and even the clutch slave or master cylinder could be going bad and no longer fully extending the slave cylinder and not fully disengaging the clutch. with the exception of the slave and master clutch cylinders you will need to remove the trans to find out if anything is wrong and dont need to be a trans expert to figure this out. you backing away from that bs and trying to spin yourself out of another mudhole you dug yourself into genius the only hole is the imaginary one that you and your desperate friends are trying to create. i worded it wrong big deal. and where did you say your transmission shop is located inside the local jiffy quaker pennzoil checker lube facility i dont own a transmission shop and neither do you so if owning one is the requirement to respond to this thread then you should shut up as well. .

From : gary glaenzer

i forgot to add the word linkage into the statement after the word clutch big deal. you forgot that is correct at least you know how to read unless someone is reading it to you. i should know better than to assume in here. yeah it is a big deal genius. the man asked a question you post erroneous bullshit. the only one bullshitting in here is you. between neil and gary theyve forgotten more than you ever had an inkling of. regarding transmissions and mechanicals. get a clue oh really then where is garys diagnosis or even ideas as to what might be the problem and speaking of that where are your answers. 98% of the posts that you respond to contain nothing more than your typical wise assed comments. i guess that says a lot about you. btw you havent answered the question about how the transmission spins without the clutch being engaged and what about the pilot bearing what part of that dont you understand. does the input shaft of the trans not sit in the pilot bearing. will a seizing pilot bearing not try and turn the input shaft on its own do you know anything at all a bad seizingthrow out bearing may also try and turn the shaft. thats quite the trick considering that the outer edge of the to bearing is held by the fork and even if it wasnt the inner race of the to bearing does not ride on the input shaft but on the bearing retainer now theres my input on it short version.............you dont know jack shit about how a clutch works it could also be a bent fork damaged fork pivot and even the clutch slave or master cylinder could be going bad and no longer fully extending the slave cylinder and not fully disengaging the clutch. with the exception of the slave and master clutch cylinders you will need to remove the trans to find out if anything is wrong and dont need to be a trans expert to figure this out. you backing away from that bs and trying to spin yourself out of another mudhole you dug yourself into genius the only hole is the imaginary one that you and your desperate friends are trying to create. i worded it wrong big deal. and where did you say your transmission shop is located inside the local jiffy quaker pennzoil checker lube facility i dont own a transmission shop and neither do you so if owning one is the requirement to respond to this thread then you should shut up as well. .

From : gary glaenzer

tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote snip what part of that dont you understand. does the input shaft of the trans not sit in the pilot bearing. will a seizing pilot bearing not try and turn the input shaft on its own it might. do you know anything at all a bad seizingthrow out bearing may also try and turn the shaft. i dont see how unless the seized t-o bearing had eaten its way thru the front bearing retainer and was actually making physical contact with the input shaft and the symptoms as described do not support that theory -and- iirc this isnt a ford ranger ;- yeah thats quite a stretch.......... it could also be a bent fork damaged fork pivot and even the clutch slave or master cylinder could be going bad and no longer fully extending the slave cylinder and not fully disengaging the clutch. it could be but the symptoms for the above listed malfunctions would be gear clash when shifting into any gear from neutral with the vehicle stationary instead of as the op described gear clash when shifting gears on drive off vehicle moving. with the exception of the slave and master clutch cylinders you will need to remove the trans to find out if anything is wrong and dont need to be a trans expert to figure this out. well removing the trans isnt going to solve much of the puzzle imo disassembly -is- going to be required along with possibly some careful measurement in which case a trans expert would be highly advised. but hey wtf after 25+ years of doing everything from dump trucks to chevettes i could be wrong. snip .

From : gary glaenzer

no it is a question with a period at the end do try to keep up tutoring you is getting rather tedious must you continually respond like a 5 year old. now this is a statement gary!!! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and nothing useful from you. which is normal for you. -- budd cochran this post has the most useful information from you ever. please keep up the good work. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- budd cochran how odd my spell checkers for both oe and netscape including mozilla require that i ok any changes to the wording . . . . . perhaps that was the not paying attentoin part that you seemed to have missed. an engaged clutch has always been a clutch that is in contact with the flywheel due to the clamping force from the pressure plate and thusly able to deliver engine power to the transmission. its never been what you choose to try to spin it into. i was referring to the linkage and should have said when the pedal was depressed but i thought that you were more grown up than this silly me. wherever you worked as a technician must have used some really strange terminology. . . or were you on the wash / lube rack yet more petty insults lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : redneck tookover hell

lol you are so gullible!!!!!! just freaken amazing. how do you remember to take a breath every 30 seconds or so i havent heard any answers from you other than trying to spin yourself out of the mudhole you dug yourself again na that would be you master cylinder boy. how exactly does this hydraulic wrench make the adjustment. with your extreem knowledge of hydraulic systems i cant wait to hear the answer to this one. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : kirkredneck tookover hell

oh no! i have been rednecked!!! i must have left out the part about how helpful everyone has been on this group thanks gunbunny for the vin info and everyone else for the help with the key fobs. and... thank you to redneck from hell. there is always one in every crowd alt.binaries.rednecks.in.pantyhose . yep just as soon as you set up a site im sure you will be glad to do that out of the goodness of your heart you are so welcome in advance also i am looking for a 1998 dodge ram 1500 owners manual. are they available for dl via pdf i know where i can order one but was wondering if there anything newer or more current. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : tbone

that is because as usual you head is to far up your ass to see the answer even when it is staring you in the face. btw you still havent answered my question. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving lol you are so gullible!!!!!! just freaken amazing. how do you remember to take a breath every 30 seconds or so i havent heard any answers from you other than trying to spin yourself out of the mudhole you dug yourself again na that would be you master cylinder boy. how exactly does this hydraulic wrench make the adjustment. with your extreem knowledge of hydraulic systems i cant wait to hear the answer to this one. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : tbone

is that your fifth grade education helping you here -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving no it is a question with a period at the end do try to keep up tutoring you is getting rather tedious must you continually respond like a 5 year old. now this is a statement gary!!! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and nothing useful from you. which is normal for you. -- budd cochran this post has the most useful information from you ever. please keep up the good work. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- budd cochran how odd my spell checkers for both oe and netscape including mozilla require that i ok any changes to the wording . . . . . perhaps that was the not paying attentoin part that you seemed to have missed. an engaged clutch has always been a clutch that is in contact with the flywheel due to the clamping force from the pressure plate and thusly able to deliver engine power to the transmission. its never been what you choose to try to spin it into. i was referring to the linkage and should have said when the pedal was depressed but i thought that you were more grown up than this silly me. wherever you worked as a technician must have used some really strange terminology. . . or were you on the wash / lube rack yet more petty insults lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote snip what part of that dont you understand. does the input shaft of the trans not sit in the pilot bearing. will a seizing pilot bearing not try and turn the input shaft on its own it might. ok. do you know anything at all a bad seizingthrow out bearing may also try and turn the shaft. i dont see how unless the seized t-o bearing had eaten its way thru the front bearing retainer and was actually making physical contact with the input shaft and the symptoms as described do not support that theory -and- iirc this isnt a ford ranger ;- ok fair enough. i initially didnt think that the t-o bearing had much to do with it but the fsm says different so i included it. i also said may because i wasnt sure how. it could also be a bent fork damaged fork pivot and even the clutch slave or master cylinder could be going bad and no longer fully extending the slave cylinder and not fully disengaging the clutch. it could be but the symptoms for the above listed malfunctions would be gear clash when shifting into any gear from neutral with the vehicle stationary instead of as the op described gear clash when shifting gears on drive off vehicle moving. interesting. what do you think is causing the rpm changes when he is shifting gears with the clutch disengaged. with the exception of the slave and master clutch cylinders you will need to remove the trans to find out if anything is wrong and dont need to be a trans expert to figure this out. well removing the trans isnt going to solve much of the puzzle imo disassembly -is- going to be required along with possibly some careful measurement in which case a trans expert would be highly advised. agreed but you will not be doing much disassembly with the trans in the vehicle. but hey wtf after 25+ years of doing everything from dump trucks to chevettes i could be wrong. lol -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

i forgot to add the word linkage into the statement after the word clutch big deal. you forgot that is correct at least you know how to read unless someone is reading it to you. i should know better than to assume in here. yeah it is a big deal genius. the man asked a question you post erroneous bullshit. the only one bullshitting in here is you. between neil and gary theyve forgotten more than you ever had an inkling of. regarding transmissions and mechanicals. get a clue oh really then where is garys diagnosis or even ideas as to what might be the problem and speaking of that where are your answers. 98% of the posts that you respond to contain nothing more than your typical wise assed comments. i guess that says a lot about you. btw you havent answered the question about how the transmission spins without the clutch being engaged and what about the pilot bearing what part of that dont you understand. does the input shaft of the trans not sit in the pilot bearing. will a seizing pilot bearing not try and turn the input shaft on its own do you know anything at all a bad seizingthrow out bearing may also try and turn the shaft. thats quite the trick considering that the outer edge of the to bearing is held by the fork and even if it wasnt the inner race of the to bearing does not ride on the input shaft but on the bearing retainer too bad you needed neil to help you. now theres my input on it same as above short version.............you dont know jack shit about how a clutch works i never claimed to be a transmission expert. i also used the word may and not will for the t-o bearing. i guess that 5th grade education let you down again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. but your policy has long been if you cant confuse the issue by spinning words use insults. hasnt it -- budd cochran i forgot to add the word linkage into the statement after the word clutch big deal. you forgot that is correct at least you know how to read unless someone is reading it to you. i should know better than to assume in here. yeah it is a big deal genius. the man asked a question you post erroneous bullshit. the only one bullshitting in here is you. between neil and gary theyve forgotten more than you ever had an inkling of. regarding transmissions and mechanicals. get a clue oh really then where is garys diagnosis or even ideas as to what might be the problem and speaking of that where are your answers. 98% of the posts that you respond to contain nothing more than your typical wise assed comments. i guess that says a lot about you. btw you havent answered the question about how the transmission spins without the clutch being engaged and what about the pilot bearing what part of that dont you understand. does the input shaft of the trans not sit in the pilot bearing. will a seizing pilot bearing not try and turn the input shaft on its own do you know anything at all a bad seizingthrow out bearing may also try and turn the shaft. thats quite the trick considering that the outer edge of the to bearing is held by the fork and even if it wasnt the inner race of the to bearing does not ride on the input shaft but on the bearing retainer too bad you needed neil to help you. now theres my input on it same as above short version.............you dont know jack shit about how a clutch works i never claimed to be a transmission expert. i also used the word may and not will for the t-o bearing. i guess that 5th grade education let you down again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote i dont see how unless the seized t-o bearing had eaten its way thru the front bearing retainer and was actually making physical contact with the input shaft and the symptoms as described do not support that theory -and- iirc this isnt a ford ranger ;- ok fair enough. i initially didnt think that the t-o bearing had much to do with it but the fsm says different so i included it. i also said may because i wasnt sure how. factory service manuals are full of wild goose chases. perhaps they are but i have been lucky with what mine had to say when i needed it. perhaps i was just lucky. it could be but the symptoms for the above listed malfunctions would be gear clash when shifting into any gear from neutral with the vehicle stationary instead of as the op described gear clash when shifting gears on drive off vehicle moving. interesting. what do you think is causing the rpm changes when he is shifting gears with the clutch disengaged. the rpm changes could easily coincide with the dashpot functions programmed into the pcm. i would go along with that with an automatic transmission but afaik there is no such mechanism with the 5 speed. from what i can see the pcm only knows when the trans is in 5th gear and reverse. if this is not true how does it know otherwise vehicle owners have this nasty habit of not realizing that there vehicle does a particular thing until theres trouble a-foot. thats probably why three years of psychology is a pre-requisit to being an auto mechanic. are you serious well removing the trans isnt going to solve much of the puzzle imo disassembly -is- going to be required along with possibly some careful measurement in which case a trans expert would be highly advised. agreed but you will not be doing much disassembly with the trans in the vehicle. correct and i dont believe i ever suggested such. my instincts lead me to believe that there is an internal problem something such as a cracked synchro ring a broken snap ring chewed up dog teeth on first and/or second or too much slop between first and second gears on the mainshaft. you will not get an argument out of me. i dont claim to be a trans expert and never had the need to become one. the goober that the op originally visited hadnt a clue when he suggested via shifting between first and second with the vehicle stopped that there was nothing wrong internally. iows youd see the same results shifting a non-synchromesh transmission under that condition. goober was just looking to score some easy bucks. probably so. i agree with you that the best idea is to take it to a trans expert. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tboneaguy

for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. lol are you going to keep up your childish attacks all day did you break out your automotive dictionary again the word throwout gives my spell checker a hard time and i didnt feel like dealing with it. now i will use t-o bearing like neil does. what exactly is the input shaft bearing or are you referring to the pilot bearing with an incorrect name. what exactly do engine induction systems and differentials have to do with this thread it is funny that you would mention induction systems as you have more than proven that you dont have a clue as to how they work and then their is that intake and exhaust gas speed thing again lol. but your policy has long been if you cant confuse the issue by spinning words use insults. hasnt it sorry budd but that would be you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : aguy

on wed 15 oct 2003 011745 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. lol are you going to keep up your childish attacks all day did you break out your automotive dictionary again the word throwout gives my spell checker a hard time and i didnt feel like dealing with it. now i will use t-o bearing like neil does. what exactly is the input shaft bearing or are you referring to the pilot bearing with an incorrect name. what exactly do engine induction systems and differentials have to do with this thread it is funny that you would mention induction systems as you have more than proven that you dont have a clue as to how they work and then their is that intake and exhaust gas speed thing again lol. but your policy has long been if you cant confuse the issue by spinning words use insults. hasnt it sorry budd but that would be you. yes it certainly would. .

From : budd cochran

youre the one that knows all the terminology you tell us what the input shaft bearing is. youre so good at telling everyone what you think everything is go for it again. are you trying to say you are not smart enough to hit the add button on your spellchecker when you need to add a new word as for the word spinning methinks you doth protest overmuchly. you practically start whining anytime some one points out a spin youve done to cloud a topic. -- budd cochran for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. lol are you going to keep up your childish attacks all day did you break out your automotive dictionary again the word throwout gives my spell checker a hard time and i didnt feel like dealing with it. now i will use t-o bearing like neil does. what exactly is the input shaft bearing or are you referring to the pilot bearing with an incorrect name. what exactly do engine induction systems and differentials have to do with this thread it is funny that you would mention induction systems as you have more than proven that you dont have a clue as to how they work and then their is that intake and exhaust gas speed thing again lol. but your policy has long been if you cant confuse the issue by spinning words use insults. hasnt it sorry budd but that would be you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. what exactly is the input shaft bearing or are you referring to the pilot bearing with an incorrect name. the above is what i meant by practical experience. not a flame. now im curious. is the pilot bearing in the subject application really a bearing or is it a bushing .

From : neil nelson

tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote factory service manuals are full of wild goose chases. perhaps they are but i have been lucky with what mine had to say when i needed it. perhaps i was just lucky. im not saying that they dont have a need or serve a purpose but sometimes some of the things written in them is just plain dumb. remember fsms are a necessary evil to the oem as such the authoring of them is usually farmed out to those who have little incentive towards accuracy. the goal is to fill pages with text with little regard towards being appropriate. the rpm changes could easily coincide with the dashpot functions programmed into the pcm. i would go along with that with an automatic transmission but afaik there is no such mechanism with the 5 speed. from what i can see the pcm only knows when the trans is in 5th gear and reverse. if this is not true how does it know otherwise crankshaft sensor map sensor throttle position sensor. those three and some programming in the pcm can easily determine a no load decelleration. detroit has been doing it for 20+ years without specific dedicated inputs from the transmission. if one takes the requirements for obd2 into account or is remotely familiar with the crankshaft sensor signal on any chrysler product or both and realizing that clutch drag and inertia will have an effect on the crank sensor signal regradless of whether the clutch is engeged or dis-engaged and that the pcm has to stategize in order to avoid false missfire counts non of what the op described surprises me when he shifted between gears with the clutch dis-engaged. im somewhat theorizing here so pick it apart if you feel the need. the true answer/data would have to come directly from the persons who wrote the pcm programming. vehicle owners have this nasty habit of not realizing that there vehicle does a particular thing until theres trouble a-foot. thats probably why three years of psychology is a pre-requisit to being an auto mechanic. are you serious dead. any pro reading this disagree that a significant percentage of auto repair is psychology think about it t being as an automobile or truck is the second most expensive thing someone is likely to purchase its a logical step that humans tend to get more than slightly emotional when it comes to their car or truck. read any auto. group youll see it plain as day. those who endeavor in auto repair without a full understanding of the head games that customers can and do play are usually not long for the business. correct and i dont believe i ever suggested such. my instincts lead me to believe that there is an internal problem something such as a cracked synchro ring a broken snap ring chewed up dog teeth on first and/or second or too much slop between first and second gears on the mainshaft. you will not get an argument out of me. wasnt trying for one. 8^ just conversing. i dont claim to be a trans expert and never had the need to become one. on the right day it puts bread on my table. though i dont consider myself to be an expert at anything the goober that the op originally visited hadnt a clue when he suggested via shifting between first and second with the vehicle stopped that there was nothing wrong internally. iows youd see the same results shifting a non-synchromesh transmission under that condition. goober was just looking to score some easy bucks. probably so. i agree with you that the best idea is to take it to a trans expert. or a professional. .

From : tbone

youre the one that knows all the terminology you tell us what the input shaft bearing is. youre so good at telling everyone what you think everything is go for it again. lol talk about spin. whats the matter budd did you get caught with your diaper leaking more bs again i asked you a simple question how come you cant answer it maybe for the same reason you dont answer direct questions evasiveness exactly like i said lies without thought or effort. you wont answer it because you are to embarrassed to do so and you know it. doing so would have you admitting to being wrong while trying to say that i was and you would never be man enough to do that would you lol. as for the word spinning methinks you doth protest overmuchly. you practically start whining anytime some one points out a spin youve done to cloud a topic. perhaps because you use the spin term for nothing more than to back up your lame and false arguments. iow you lie and do it the way most people breath without thought or effort. even in this post you use an incorrect term and when called on it try to spin your way out of it instead of just admitting that you were wrong. what incorrect term would that be ive used a term not in any previous posts but that does not make it an incorrect term except to you of course. and why would you do that budd oh wait i know because you screwed up. spin it all you want but we all know that you called the pilot bearing an input shaft bearing to prove me wrong. too bad all that did was make you the one who was wrong lol. but feel free to lie about it again we are used to it mr. christian. really your paranoia is getting bothersome. iow you know that your lies are being exposed and are trying to spin away form it once again. you really are a sad sack of shit. if i am so bothersome then dont respond to me anymore oh wait you lied about that too. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. what exactly is the input shaft bearing or are you referring to the pilot bearing with an incorrect name. the above is what i meant by practical experience. not a flame. no problem i try not to make the same mistake twice although there are exceptions. now im curious. is the pilot bearing in the subject application really a bearing or is it a bushing i guess that it could be either depending on the year and use. for his and my truck it is an actual bearing looks like a needle bearing to me. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

youre the one that knows all the terminology you tell us what the input shaft bearing is. youre so good at telling everyone what you think everything is go for it again. lol talk about spin. whats the matter budd did you get caught with your diaper leaking more bs again i asked you a simple question how come you cant answer it are you trying to say you are not smart enough to hit the add button on your spellchecker when you need to add a new word i choose not to add tech terms to my dictionary. if you have a problem with that to bad. as for the word spinning methinks you doth protest overmuchly. you practically start whining anytime some one points out a spin youve done to cloud a topic. perhaps because you use the spin term for nothing more than to back up your lame and false arguments. iow you lie and do it the way most people breath without thought or effort. even in this post you use an incorrect term and when called on it try to spin your way out of it instead of just admitting that you were wrong. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : redneck tookover hell

translation i cant figure out which button to push i choose not to add tech terms to my dictionary. if you have a problem with that to bad. btw- its too poor tommy all those big bad boys picking on him again. why dont you go tell your mommy tommy a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : redneck tookover hell

i hear that a lot of guys have their heads up their asses when you are around. keeps you at a safe distance. still trying to spin yourself out of your mudhole slick that is because as usual you head is to far up your ass to see the answer even when it is staring you in the face. btw you still havent answered my question. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : budd cochran

youre the one that knows all the terminology you tell us what the input shaft bearing is. youre so good at telling everyone what you think everything is go for it again. lol talk about spin. whats the matter budd did you get caught with your diaper leaking more bs again i asked you a simple question how come you cant answer it maybe for the same reason you dont answer direct questions evasiveness are you trying to say you are not smart enough to hit the add button on your spellchecker when you need to add a new word i choose not to add tech terms to my dictionary. if you have a problem with that to bad. its your choice but i find adding them doesnt affect my program except it keeps me from having to click thru a response everyttime in order to send one. from a previous answer it appears you have some difficulty with all the clicking but it does explain the occasional misspelled word in your posts. as for the word spinning methinks you doth protest overmuchly. you practically start whining anytime some one points out a spin youve done to cloud a topic. perhaps because you use the spin term for nothing more than to back up your lame and false arguments. iow you lie and do it the way most people breath without thought or effort. even in this post you use an incorrect term and when called on it try to spin your way out of it instead of just admitting that you were wrong. what incorrect term would that be ive used a term not in any previous posts but that does not make it an incorrect term except to you of course. really your paranoia is getting bothersome. -- budd cochran .

From : tbone

i hear that a lot of guys have their heads up their asses when you are around. keeps you at a safe distance. still trying to spin yourself out of your mudhole slick no mudhole to spin out of. still afraid to answer a simple question coward -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving that is because as usual you head is to far up your ass to see the answer even when it is staring you in the face. btw you still havent answered my question. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : aguy

on 15 oct 2003 172246 gmt mopar440@aol.comedy.biz redneck tookover hell wrote i hear that a lot of guys have their heads up their asses when you are around. keeps you at a safe distance. still trying to spin yourself out of your mudhole slick yeah the mopar440 man the man who is proud to call himself a redneck the man who proves that he must be related to budd comes running back to protect his moronic friends with his usual frenzy and lack of anything even remotely resembling a mind or sense of class. welcome back white trash. that is because as usual you head is to far up your ass to see the answer even when it is staring you in the face. btw you still havent answered my question. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : redneck tookover hell

yawn i see you are still here. out on work release yeah the mopar440 man the man who is proud to call himself a redneck the man who proves that he must be related to budd comes running back to protect his moronic friends with his usual frenzy and lack of anything even remotely resembling a mind or sense of class. welcome back white trash. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : redneck tookover hell

the five year old who reads your drivel to me per your insistence cant tell what are questions or statements from you since you cant use periods or question marks correcly you have questions this from the man who knows all isnt that a contradiction in terms btw- it almost brings tears to my eyes thinking that you were so anxious to take the bait on the hydraulic wrench did the hook taste good or did you lose the flavor while you were spinning around in that mudhole slick you and your buddy aguy should go wallow around in it together for a while keep you both occupied no mudhole to spin out of. still afraid to answer a simple question coward lol still spinning and spinning and spinning. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : dennytbone

nubbs mcfarkel in drag im still of the belief that the whole group of them are dd. that would be funny if it wasnt so sad..... denny .

From : aguy

on 15 oct 2003 212228 gmt mopar440@aol.comedy.biz redneck tookover hell wrote yawn i see you are still here. out on work release oh man cut to the quick. golly. you are good. im so ashamed. hey i hear the skoal truck wrecked down on the interstate. youall better get down there. yeah the mopar440 man the man who is proud to call himself a redneck the man who proves that he must be related to budd comes running back to protect his moronic friends with his usual frenzy and lack of anything even remotely resembling a mind or sense of class. welcome back white trash. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : clare snyder on ca

on wed 15 oct 2003 011745 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. lol are you going to keep up your childish attacks all day did you break out your automotive dictionary again the word throwout gives my spell checker a hard time and i didnt feel like dealing with it. now i will use t-o bearing like neil does. what exactly is the input shaft bearing the input shaft bearing is the bearing in the front case of the transmission that the input shaft clutch shaft quill shaft or whatever it is called in your small corner of the world turns in. it is usually directly above the cluster shaft front bearing or are you referring to the pilot bearing with an incorrect name. what exactly do engine induction systems and differentials have to do with this thread it is funny that you would mention induction systems as you have more than proven that you dont have a clue as to how they work and then their is that intake and exhaust gas speed thing again lol. but your policy has long been if you cant confuse the issue by spinning words use insults. hasnt it sorry budd but that would be you. .

From : roy

on wed 15 oct 2003 011745 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. lol are you going to keep up your childish attacks all day did you break out your automotive dictionary again the word throwout gives my spell checker a hard time and i didnt feel like dealing with it. now i will use t-o bearing like neil does. what exactly is the input shaft bearing the input shaft bearing is the bearing in the front case of the transmission that the input shaft clutch shaft quill shaft or whatever it is called in your small corner of the world turns in. it is usually directly above the cluster shaft front bearing thats where ive found them. quill shaft where ya from the pilot bearing or bushing usually is found on or in the ass end of the crankshaft kinda hard to get them mixed up. .

From : tbone

-- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on wed 15 oct 2003 011745 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. lol are you going to keep up your childish attacks all day did you break out your automotive dictionary again the word throwout gives my spell checker a hard time and i didnt feel like dealing with it. now i will use t-o bearing like neil does. what exactly is the input shaft bearing the input shaft bearing is the bearing in the front case of the transmission that the input shaft clutch shaft quill shaft or whatever it is called in your small corner of the world turns in. it is usually directly above the cluster shaft front bearing lol i know what and where it is i wanted budd to answer the question. it seems that he was indicating that i got the name pilot bearing wrong and was calling it the input shaft bearing which is a completely different bearing. .

From : tbone

on wed 15 oct 2003 011745 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. lol are you going to keep up your childish attacks all day did you break out your automotive dictionary again the word throwout gives my spell checker a hard time and i didnt feel like dealing with it. now i will use t-o bearing like neil does. what exactly is the input shaft bearing the input shaft bearing is the bearing in the front case of the transmission that the input shaft clutch shaft quill shaft or whatever it is called in your small corner of the world turns in. it is usually directly above the cluster shaft front bearing thats where ive found them. quill shaft where ya from the pilot bearing or bushing usually is found on or in the ass end of the crankshaft kinda hard to get them mixed up. and yet budd appears to have done so or has not yet explained why he brought it up in the first place. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

input shaft bearing the bearing in the front of the transmission case also in some cases called an input support bearing. nope im not wrong you are. i mentioned a different bearing than what you did and you assumed i was referring to the pilot bearing. but youre good at making false assumptions about people things beliefs the knowledge you claim to have etc. its probably a part of your paranoia. -- budd cochran youre the one that knows all the terminology you tell us what the input shaft bearing is. youre so good at telling everyone what you think everything is go for it again. lol talk about spin. whats the matter budd did you get caught with your diaper leaking more bs again i asked you a simple question how come you cant answer it maybe for the same reason you dont answer direct questions evasiveness exactly like i said lies without thought or effort. you wont answer it because you are to embarrassed to do so and you know it. doing so would have you admitting to being wrong while trying to say that i was and you would never be man enough to do that would you lol. as for the word spinning methinks you doth protest overmuchly. you practically start whining anytime some one points out a spin youve done to cloud a topic. perhaps because you use the spin term for nothing more than to back up your lame and false arguments. iow you lie and do it the way most people breath without thought or effort. even in this post you use an incorrect term and when called on it try to spin your way out of it instead of just admitting that you were wrong. what incorrect term would that be ive used a term not in any previous posts but that does not make it an incorrect term except to you of course. and why would you do that budd oh wait i know because you screwed up. spin it all you want but we all know that you called the pilot bearing an input shaft bearing to prove me wrong. too bad all that did was make you the one who was wrong lol. but feel free to lie about it again we are used to it mr. christian. really your paranoia is getting bothersome. iow you know that your lies are being exposed and are trying to spin away form it once again. you really are a sad sack of shit. if i am so bothersome then dont respond to me anymore oh wait you lied about that too. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

you mistakenly as usual for you assumed i was referring to the same bearing as you. -- budd cochran -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on wed 15 oct 2003 011745 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote for one that cannot seem to ever find the right words to correctly describe anything mechanical from throwout / input shaft bearings engine induction systems differentials and transmission operation you have a lot of gall claiming someone else lacks an education. lol are you going to keep up your childish attacks all day did you break out your automotive dictionary again the word throwout gives my spell checker a hard time and i didnt feel like dealing with it. now i will use t-o bearing like neil does. what exactly is the input shaft bearing the input shaft bearing is the bearing in the front case of the transmission that the input shaft clutch shaft quill shaft or whatever it is called in your small corner of the world turns in. it is usually directly above the cluster shaft front bearing lol i know what and where it is i wanted budd to answer the question. it seems that he was indicating that i got the name pilot bearing wrong and was calling it the input shaft bearing which is a completely different bearing. .

From : aguy

on thu 16 oct 2003 031151 gmt budd cochran mr-d150spam@citlink.net wrote input shaft bearing the bearing in the front of the transmission case also in some cases called an input support bearing. nope im not wrong you are. for such an old man you really are an immature person. there are people with 75 years of experience and then there are people that have one year experience 75 times over. you fall into the latter category. i hope you love pity you certainly deserve it. i mentioned a different bearing than what you did and you assumed i was referring to the pilot bearing. but youre good at making false assumptions about people things beliefs the knowledge you claim to have etc. its probably a part of your paranoia. .

From : budd cochran

and if that were my only experience it would still be more experience than you. -- budd cochran on thu 16 oct 2003 031151 gmt budd cochran mr-d150spam@citlink.net wrote input shaft bearing the bearing in the front of the transmission case also in some cases called an input support bearing. nope im not wrong you are. for such an old man you really are an immature person. there are people with 75 years of experience and then there are people that have one year experience 75 times over. you fall into the latter category. i hope you love pity you certainly deserve it. i mentioned a different bearing than what you did and you assumed i was referring to the pilot bearing. but youre good at making false assumptions about people things beliefs the knowledge you claim to have etc. its probably a part of your paranoia. .

From : budd cochran

why do you persist in claiming an expertise you do not have when at least four experienced people in this group have pointed out your errors to you repeatedly and you cannot see the inherent potential danger in your bad advice i can believe that. think on this tom notice im still not calling you names though you have started with your personal attacks on me . . .and you dare call me childish or immature you select a name out of the blue for an item you wish to talk about and a person goes to a mechanic/tech and says he wants the item you misnamed fixed and it results in a worse problem. whether you want to admit it or not the potential is there because you misnamed and thereby misinformed someone. your misinformation though you are not willing to accept any responsibility does have the potential to cause harm. btw wheres your admission to being wrong about the bearing i was talking about or do you demand everyone to stay on subjects you select -- budd cochran my concern is that his misinformation might get someone hurt . . or worse. -- back to these old lies again. with the crap that you spew out you should be more concerned about what you say. you just feel hurt about something and are striking out like a little baby once again what else is new. what did i say that could in any way hurt anyone this is a question gary the answer would be nothing and you know that well... with your extreme lack of knowledge and no common sense probably not. never mind. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

and if that were my only experience it would still be more experience than you. -- like i asked you before how old are you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

input shaft bearing the bearing in the front of the transmission case also in some cases called an input support bearing. that is correct budd although i dont recall anyone calling it an input support bearing since that term would more readily fit the pilot bearing. now what does this bearing have to do with the thread at hand or for that matter any of our past discussions since every other term you listed did btw i find it curious that you didnt mention this until someone else took the trouble to answer it for you. nope im not wrong you are. i mentioned a different bearing than what you did and you assumed i was referring to the pilot bearing. then i ask again why did you mention it i think that you are lying again. but youre good at making false assumptions about people things beliefs the knowledge you claim to have etc. its probably a part of your paranoia. sorry budd but i have a few friends that are deep into the christian community and none of them act in the childish spiteful and hateful manor that you do. im sorry budd but i think that the only reason you claim to believe is because of your health problems and that you are trying to buy fire insurance. the problem is that it is not for sale and true belief appears to be beyond you. some of the key requirements are tolerance and forgiveness and you seem incapable of either. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

you mistakenly as usual for you assumed i was referring to the same bearing as you. then i will ask you once again since this bearing has nothing to do with the possible problem and was never part of any previous discussion why did you bring it up the fact that you also referred to it as a support bearing makes me believe that i was not wrong. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

why do you persist in claiming an expertise you do not have when at least four experienced people in this group have pointed out your errors to you repeatedly really and who would they be and when unlike you and the other two stooges in here i dont claim to know everything and never admit to error. and you cannot see the inherent potential danger in your bad advice i can believe that. what danger is there budd i am not the one doing the work only making suggestions. you still have yet to list a single possible problem or injury that could happen from anything that i suggested to anyone. all you ever come up with is a paranoid blanket statement that is so vague it could fit any situation and yet fit nothing at all. think on this tom notice im still not calling you names though you have started with your personal attacks on me . . .and you dare call me childish or immature oh please budd name calling is only a small part of it and what names have i been calling you what you are doing here is very much a childish attack on me just as you are accusing me of doing. like i said before learn to take some of your own medicine or stop dishing it out. you select a name out of the blue for an item you wish to talk about and a person goes to a mechanic/tech and says he wants the item you misnamed fixed and it results in a worse problem. yet more lies and complete bs. what name did i take out of the blue that would be you and your input shaft bearing during this discussion or any other for that matter and if you cant come up with an actual answer this time then you are once again lying. whether you want to admit it or not the potential is there because you misnamed and thereby misinformed someone. once again self serving justification and a poor justification at that. what experienced mechanic is going to listen purely to the customer as far as a diagnosis and i ask again what part did i misname i think that was you and your input shaft bearing. your misinformation though you are not willing to accept any responsibility does have the potential to cause harm. are you really this desperate does it hurt you that much that i may know more than you in some areas get over it budd i can guarantee that i am not the only one with that ability. but this still does not answer the original question. this post is just more of your smoke and mirrors bs you use to try to cover up with so i will ask you once again exactly what harm or worse will come from what i said in this post and i want a specific answer this time or it will become obvious that this whole thing is nothing more than another one of your unfounded personal attacks on me. btw wheres your admission to being wrong about the bearing i was talking about or do you demand everyone to stay on subjects you select you have yet to prove that you were not wrong. if you answer the question that i have asked several times and in several posts and your answer is believable then i will say i was wrong and apologize but until then .... -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

the five year old who reads your drivel to me per your insistence cant tell what are questions or statements from you since you cant use periods or question marks correcly oh like in the sentence above lol. you have questions this from the man who knows all isnt that a contradiction in terms i never claimed to know all just more than you in most subjects. sadly that is nothing to brag about. btw- it almost brings tears to my eyes thinking that you were so anxious to take the bait on the hydraulic wrench what bait did you really think that i bought your bs i guess that you really are the dumbest of the three stooges. i just wanted to see how far you could take it and bury yourself. or did you lose the flavor while you were spinning around in that mudhole slick what is this mudhole that you keep babbling about you and your buddy aguy should go wallow around in it together for a while keep you both occupied why do that it is more fun to watch you make an ass out of yourself. no mudhole to spin out of. still afraid to answer a simple question coward lol still spinning and spinning and spinning. still running and hiding huh stooge. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on 15 oct 2003 172246 gmt mopar440@aol.comedy.biz redneck tookover hell wrote i hear that a lot of guys have their heads up their asses when you are around. keeps you at a safe distance. still trying to spin yourself out of your mudhole slick yeah the mopar440 man the man who is proud to call himself a redneck the man who proves that he must be related to budd comes running back to protect his moronic friends with his usual frenzy and lack of anything even remotely resembling a mind or sense of class. welcome back white trash. yea out of the three stooges he is definitely shemp with the iq of a rock. at least his handle fits him this time. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochranbudd cochran

a hundred thousand transmissions i think youre exaggerating a little. -- budd cochran look up transmission problem in the dictionary and the definition simply says dodge period! my buddys dakota has nearly 200000 miles on it and about half that many trannys in it...of course he snowplows with it too. my tranny shifts erratic and had been doing so since 30k it now has 45k on it but still moves so hell with it some days when i hit the kickdown the truck just revs up and goes nowhere...fast. the damn 4x4 light blinks profusely too as mentioned before. i know when certain people here read my reply theyll bring on their brain-farts just as profusely as that blinking light annoys me. oh well have at it. i have a 98 dodge dakota 4x4 5.2l v8 automatic 55000 miles. as of late when the truck is cold its having some problems shifting from 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th during which time the engine revs. the dealer is telling me the transmission needs to be internally resealed. he said the seals are hardening making them stiffer when cold which results in letting the fluid get by keeping it from shifting. once the truck has warmed up all works fine. this should cost me about $1200 to $1500 at the dealer. i havent shopped around yet. but im wondering if this sounds like a reasonable explination common or frequent happening on this truck what causes this chrysler defect bad tranny fluid or bad seal material thanks mike .

From : tbone

well dude you sure dont act like it sometimes. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im twenty years older to the day than nate collier. -- budd cochran and if that were my only experience it would still be more experience than you. -- like i asked you before how old are you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

not a thing but i have the right to mention it if i so desire. since the mentioning of it violated no one elses rights nor caused any physical harm and only upset one person you apparently because i didnt play according to your rules then why does it bother you so much that i mentioned it i get it . . .im not playing by your rules again . . . good! -- budd cochran you mistakenly as usual for you assumed i was referring to the same bearing as you. then i will ask you once again since this bearing has nothing to do with the possible problem and was never part of any previous discussion why did you bring it up the fact that you also referred to it as a support bearing makes me believe that i was not wrong. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

you have yet to prove that you were not wrong. if you answer the question that i have asked several times and in several posts and your answer is believable then i will say i was wrong and apologize but until then .... then why didnt you accept the word of the poster clare@snyder.on.ca from just yesterday at 646 that explained which bearing i meant are you calling him a liar also you demanded i explain why i posted after he did. of course if you did accept his post then you would have obligated yourself to admitting you were wrong and apologizing. .

From : tbonetbonetbone

oh and btw again i noticed that you chose to delete the question about what exact harm i can cause with what i said in this post. you also deleted every other question that you were unable to answer which was every one of them. that proves that this whole thing is nothing more than one of your childish attacks as i already knew. are you done with me again yet -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you have yet to prove that you were not wrong. if you answer the question that i have asked several times and in several posts and your answer is believable then i will say i was wrong and apologize but until then ..... then why didnt you accept the word of the poster clare@snyder.on.ca from just yesterday at 646 that explained which bearing i meant are you calling him a liar also you demanded i explain why i posted after he did. of course if you did accept his post then you would have obligated yourself to admitting you were wrong and apologizing. .

From : denny

it looks like the only one spinning in the mud is you. better go get more help form shemp on this one or perhaps moe. i gotta stick my nose in so it can get kicked back between my ears. i thought the three stooges names were larry moe and curly. where did this shemp come from denny .

From : aguy

on 16 oct 2003 200043 gmt mopar440@aol.comedy.biz redneck tookover hell wrote why youve already been there are you slicks alter ego ok im sure that was supposed to be funny or witty or at least was supposed to make some sort of sense. i know you are trying red neck so ill cut you some slack. hey just curious have you ever been the manager of the big boys burger shack oh man cut to the quick. golly. you are good. im so ashamed. hey i hear the skoal truck wrecked down on the interstate. youall better get down there. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : budd cochranbudd cochran

input shaft bearing the bearing in the front of the transmission case also in some cases called an input support bearing. that is correct budd although i dont recall anyone calling it an input support bearing since that term would more readily fit the pilot bearing. now what does this bearing have to do with the thread at hand or for that matter any of our past discussions since every other term you listed did btw i find it curious that you didnt mention this until someone else took the trouble to answer it for you. no matter what i say you would not believe it so why should i give an answer to this bs but i will answer it just to point out another of your errors. i hadnt read the post the explained what it was to you. theres the clue tom. that post was for you not me. i really didnt need to read it but since you want to change all the part names i cansee why it would be important that you read it. calling what a support bearing the one in the front of the case hey tom its always been called that and you cannot change its name. get over it. i chose to not mention the bearing you did because i figured if i mentioned the support bearing you would in your lack of mechanical knowledge confuse it with the pilot bearing . . i was right. then i ask again why did you mention it i think that you are lying again. heres why tom. read it slowly and carefully because you seem to get confused about things like this. are you ready because i wanted to thats why i wrote about the support bearing. did i break some widdle tommy-boy rule by not playing your game tough! sorry budd but i have a few friends that are deep into the christian community and none of them act in the childish spiteful and hateful manor that you do. im sorry budd but i think that the only reason you claim to believe is because of your health problems and that you are trying to buy fire insurance. the problem is that it is not for sale and true belief appears to be beyond you. some of the key requirements are tolerance and forgiveness and you seem incapable of either. rotflmbo!!!!!!! you are a hypocrite. youre a backstabbing liar. and you dont know as much as you think you do about anything. explain how its acceptable with verses from the bible to use the language and names you have used in reference to me. you say you know christians so does satan. now for your enlightenment i became a christian in 1978 on church records first southern baptist church canon city co. i didnt have any health probs until 1995 on hospital records st. thomas more hospital canon city co. how does it feel to be caught in more erroneous assumptions again as much as you assume incorrectly about things you should run for congress. youd fit right in. youve already proved you truthfulness matches all the campaigning requirements. .

From : budd cochran

thank you. i refuse to grow old mentally. -- budd cochran well dude you sure dont act like it sometimes. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im twenty years older to the day than nate collier. -- budd cochran and if that were my only experience it would still be more experience than you. -- like i asked you before how old are you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : aguy

on thu 16 oct 2003 184133 gmt budd cochran mr-d150spam@citlink.net wrote im twenty years older to the day than nate collier. so what why is sandmans age of importance here budd why do you always have to drop someone elses name in your conversations budd why cant you stand on your own two feet budd the answer is obvious it is because you have no feet upon which to stand. never the less you should try. .

From : aguy

on thu 16 oct 2003 193421 gmt budd cochran mr-d150spam@citlink.net wrote thank you. i refuse to grow old mentally. ah but you have grown into a mental. .

From : tbone

i think that you meant to grow up! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving thank you. i refuse to grow old mentally. -- budd cochran well dude you sure dont act like it sometimes. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im twenty years older to the day than nate collier. -- budd cochran and if that were my only experience it would still be more experience than you. -- like i asked you before how old are you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : redneck tookover hell

oh like in the sentence above lol. only took that short response to illustrate your problem. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : redneck tookover hell

why youve already been there are you slicks alter ego oh man cut to the quick. golly. you are good. im so ashamed. hey i hear the skoal truck wrecked down on the interstate. youall better get down there. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : budd cochran

you assumed wrongly . . .again. -- budd cochran i think that you meant to grow up! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving thank you. i refuse to grow old mentally. -- budd cochran well dude you sure dont act like it sometimes. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im twenty years older to the day than nate collier. -- budd cochran and if that were my only experience it would still be more experience than you. -- like i asked you before how old are you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

is that all you got shemp lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving oh like in the sentence above lol. only took that short response to illustrate your problem. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : tbone

you have yet to prove that you were not wrong. if you answer the question that i have asked several times and in several posts and your answer is believable then i will say i was wrong and apologize but until then ..... then why didnt you accept the word of the poster clare@snyder.on.ca from just yesterday at 646 that explained which bearing i meant are you calling him a liar also you demanded i explain why i posted after he did. you really are funny when you get desperate. i never said that the input bearing didnt exist or that the one who posted the correct answer was a liar only that it had nothing to do with this or any other discussion that we had. you also need to learn how to read. i demanded nothing i simply said that it was curious that you posted your answer after he did and i only asked why you mentioned that term when it had no meaning in this or any other discussion that we have had. how does his expanation say what bearing that you meant all he did was confirm that it exists which i already knew not what you meant. i still think that you got it wrong no let me take that back i know it now! of course if you did accept his post then you would have obligated yourself to admitting you were wrong and apologizing. hahahahahahaha nice try larry. i never said that the part didnt exist only that you got the name of the part in question wrong. btw i thought that you were done with me. is that just another line that you use when i prove you wrong. you seem to be done with me quite often. the way that this is going you should be done with me again any time now. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochranbudd cochranbudd cochran

not a thing but i have the right to mention it if i so desire. sure you do and i never said otherwise. i only asked why and as usual you were unable to answer. but i did answer see the next section but learn to read first. since the mentioning of it violated no one elses rights nor caused any physical harm and only upset one person you apparently because i didnt play according to your rules then why does it bother you so much that i mentioned it what rules did i impose your rules that include that everyone must agree to to any changes you make in terminology. it also includes that you are the only one allowed to spin words or outright lie. i simple wanted to know what purpose it served. it ticked you off didnt it you just had to make a comment about it since it distracted readers from your mistermed pilot bearing. are you just a babbling idiot nope but youre starting to panic . . .youre back to name calling. you accuse me of getting terms wrong are unable to give an example and then dump out meaningless terms to the discussion yourself. why should i correct you when others are doing such a fine job would you like it better if five people correct your errors instead of four unlike you i dont have a need to add my corrections when others have already done it. every other term that you listed had something to do with something except that one. it had everything to do with the input shaft support bearing or what ever reason i had for writing it whether you accept it or not doesnt matter. while it violated nobodys rights to do it it also makes no sense either unless..... you got it wrong lol!!! nope it was right for the purpose and reasons previously given. you assumed wrongly about it and wont accept it. it looks like the only one spinning in the mud is you. better go get more help form shemp on this one or perhaps moe. good idea. it would be a pleasant change to talk with someone that makes more sense than you and youre corruptions of the automotive terms. btw you do know that the actors playing the stooges were considered to be three of the most gifted business meen and actors in show business dont you i get it . . .im not playing by your rules again . . . good! no larry you dont get it and sadly never will. and this is to be taken as your version of a christian treatment of others was this taught you by your previously mentioned friends budd .

From : budd cochran

i only deleted according to the same rules youve used in replies. if you dont like it tough. -- budd cochran oh and btw again i noticed that you chose to delete the question about what exact harm i can cause with what i said in this post. you also deleted every other question that you were unable to answer which was every one of them. that proves that this whole thing is nothing more than one of your childish attacks as i already knew. are you done with me again yet -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you have yet to prove that you were not wrong. if you answer the question that i have asked several times and in several posts and your answer is believable then i will say i was wrong and apologize but until then .... then why didnt you accept the word of the poster clare@snyder.on.ca from just yesterday at 646 that explained which bearing i meant are you calling him a liar also you demanded i explain why i posted after he did. of course if you did accept his post then you would have obligated yourself to admitting you were wrong and apologizing. .

From : tbone

i believe that you believe that but i was not wrong. now grow up a little. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you assumed wrongly . . .again. -- budd cochran i think that you meant to grow up! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving thank you. i refuse to grow old mentally. -- budd cochran well dude you sure dont act like it sometimes. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im twenty years older to the day than nate collier. -- budd cochran and if that were my only experience it would still be more experience than you. -- like i asked you before how old are you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

so now you assume to think you know what i mean. you dont. you never will. and you are telling me to grow up who was whining about being ganged up -- budd cochran i believe that you believe that but i was not wrong. now grow up a little. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you assumed wrongly . . .again. -- budd cochran i think that you meant to grow up! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving thank you. i refuse to grow old mentally. -- budd cochran well dude you sure dont act like it sometimes. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im twenty years older to the day than nate collier. -- budd cochran and if that were my only experience it would still be more experience than you. -- like i asked you before how old are you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

then why didnt you accept the word of the poster clare@snyder.on.ca from just yesterday at 646 that explained which bearing i meant are you calling him a liar also you demanded i explain why i posted after he did. you really are funny when you get desperate. i never said that the input bearing didnt exist or that the one who posted the correct answer was a liar only that it had nothing to do with this or any other discussion that we had. you are right in that respect it had nothing to do with what you posted but it had everything to do with what i wanted to write which is not for you to approve or disapprove. you also need to learn how to read. i demanded nothing i simply said that it was curious that you posted your answer after he did and i only asked why you mentioned that term when it had no meaning in this or any other discussion that we have had. and ive told you several times now why i posted it. too bad you cannot accept that you fell for it hook line and sinker. . . as always. how does his expanation say what bearing that you meant who needs to learn how to read tommy-boy needs to learn how to read. his explanation described the bearing. by writing the words input shaft bearing i give to you to read the correct set of words used to give the identity to the bearing he described and i later described which i had wrote in a response to see if you would strike at it like a hungry fish. there that wasnt too difficult . . .for me. all he did was confirm that it exists which i already knew not what you meant. i still think that you got it wrong no let me take that back i know it now! no you dont. i proved it many times now. of course if you did accept his post then you would have obligated yourself to admitting you were wrong and apologizing. hahahahahahaha nice try larry. i never said that the part didnt exist only that you got the name of the part in question wrong. btw i thought that you were done with me. is that just another line that you use when i prove you wrong. you seem to be done with me quite often. the way that this is going you should be done with me again any time now. as i remember it i told you i was only going to respond to a post where you had a serious error which ive pretty much done. i also remember you saying you wanted to stop but it wasnt 48 hours before you were back to your old name calling and such. did you think it would go only your way budd .

From : tbone

lol yet more lies and as usual still no answers. thanks for proving my points. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i only deleted according to the same rules youve used in replies. if you dont like it tough. -- budd cochran oh and btw again i noticed that you chose to delete the question about what exact harm i can cause with what i said in this post. you also deleted every other question that you were unable to answer which was every one of them. that proves that this whole thing is nothing more than one of your childish attacks as i already knew. are you done with me again yet -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you have yet to prove that you were not wrong. if you answer the question that i have asked several times and in several posts and your answer is believable then i will say i was wrong and apologize but until then .... then why didnt you accept the word of the poster clare@snyder.on.ca from just yesterday at 646 that explained which bearing i meant are you calling him a liar also you demanded i explain why i posted after he did. of course if you did accept his post then you would have obligated yourself to admitting you were wrong and apologizing. .

From : tbone

not a thing but i have the right to mention it if i so desire. sure you do and i never said otherwise. i only asked why and as usual you were unable to answer. but i did answer see the next section but learn to read first. no you didnt and are still not answering it. since the mentioning of it violated no one elses rights nor caused any physical harm and only upset one person you apparently because i didnt play according to your rules then why does it bother you so much that i mentioned it what rules did i impose your rules that include that everyone must agree to to any changes you make in terminology. it also includes that you are the only one allowed to spin words or outright lie. really where are they written the only one spinning and lying here are you and shemp. i simple wanted to know what purpose it served. it ticked you off didnt it you just had to make a comment about it since it distracted readers from your mistermed pilot bearing. how could i be pissed i am laughing way to hard for that. i made a comment about it because you got it wrong nothing more. as for the pilot bearing what you called the input shaft bearing i did accidentally call it the t-o bearing but immediately reposted with the correction. i am still waiting for you to do the same. are you just a babbling idiot nope but youre starting to panic . . .youre back to name calling. lol now that again would be you. this is not name calling simply asking a question. but with the way you are starting to spin the desperate one appears to be you. you accuse me of getting terms wrong are unable to give an example and then dump out meaningless terms to the discussion yourself. why should i correct you when others are doing such a fine job would you like it better if five people correct your errors instead of four unlike you i dont have a need to add my corrections when others have already done it. ok ill ask you again where are these corrections and from who every other term that you listed had something to do with something except that one. it had everything to do with the input shaft support bearing or what ever reason i had for writing it whether you accept it or not doesnt matter. iow you have no reason and btw it is not called the input shaft support bearing. if you say that it is provide some written documentation to back it up. what you have written above makes even less sense than usual. the input shaft bearing has nothing to do with the indicated symptoms so what are your other reasons wait i know you dont have any. you must really be getting desperate. you should be done with me again at any time now. while it violated nobodys rights to do it it also makes no sense either unless..... you got it wrong lol!!! nope it was right for the purpose and reasons previously given. you assumed wrongly about it and wont accept it. you gave no reason as usual just some sensless spin. it looks like the only one spinning in the mud is you. better go get more help form shemp on this one or perhaps moe. good idea. it would be a pleasant change to talk with someone that makes more sense than you and youre corruptions of the automotive terms. more unfounded accusations. is this your way of spinning the attention from your error the sad thing is that nobody is probably even reading it anymore but us so who do you think that you are fooling as for making more sense like minds do communicate better and you do seem to have a stooge mentality. btw you do know that the actors playing the stooges were considered to be three of the most gifted business meen and actors in show business dont you while that may be true i was referring to the characters that they played and how much like them the three of you are. i get it . . .im not playing by your rules again . . . good! no larry you dont get it and sadly never will. and this is to be taken as your version of a christian treatment of others unlike you i dont claim to be the god fearing christian that you do. if i did then i would be as two faced as you are. was this taught you by your previously mentioned friends nope i learned most of this from you and the rest of the stooges. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

ooops my error it was curly that he replaced not curly joe. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving it looks like the only one spinning in the mud is you. better go get more help form shemp on this one or perhaps moe. i gotta stick my nose in so it can get kicked back between my ears. i thought the three stooges names were larry moe and curly. where did this shemp come from iirc shemp replaced curly joe when he got sick. denny .

From : aguy

on fri 17 oct 2003 011741 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote did you think it would go only your way so far it has. all you have done so far is make yourself look like a complete idiot and liar. well...................he is a complete idiot.......................and a liar..................so what did you expect there are a lot of idiots in the world though and certainly just as many liars. budd however adds a certain moronic religiously fanatical repulsive slant to it that is quite rare. .

From : jerry

and ive told you several times now why i posted it. too bad you cannot accept that you fell for it hook line and sinker. . . as always. by writing the words input shaft bearing i give to you to read the correct set of words used to give the identity to the bearing he described and i later described which i had wrote in a response to see if you would strike at it like a hungry fish. there that wasnt too difficult . . .for me. i think i see a new trend being set here ................ talk like a fool write like a fool spin like a fool and then flash the words hook line and sinker to make a fools exit. is that where shemp came from jerry .

From : tbone

that bears repeating....wow!!!!!!!!! what a friggingame!!! from roy roy@home.net organization comcast online date thu 16 oct 2003 223130 gmt subject re nascar triple header today!!! it doesnt get any better than tonite. .

From : tbone

it looks like the only one spinning in the mud is you. better go get more help form shemp on this one or perhaps moe. i gotta stick my nose in so it can get kicked back between my ears. i thought the three stooges names were larry moe and curly. where did this shemp come from iirc shemp replaced curly joe when he got sick. denny .

From : tbonetbonetbone

so now you assume to think you know what i mean. nope i said that i know the truth which btw is seldom what you say or mean. you dont. you never will. neither will any other honest person. and you are telling me to grow up yep someone has to. who was whining about being ganged up who -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

and ive told you several times now why i posted it. too bad you cannot accept that you fell for it hook line and sinker. . . as always. by writing the words input shaft bearing i give to you to read the correct set of words used to give the identity to the bearing he described and i later described which i had wrote in a response to see if you would strike at it like a hungry fish. there that wasnt too difficult . . .for me. i think i see a new trend being set here ................ talk like a fool write like a fool spin like a fool and then flash the words hook line and sinker to make a fools exit. is that where shemp came from actually i was thinking of him more as larry but after reading what you just wrote i may have to agree with you. perhaps red could be larry although i dont think that he is bright enough. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

then why didnt you accept the word of the poster clare@snyder.on.ca from just yesterday at 646 that explained which bearing i meant are you calling him a liar also you demanded i explain why i posted after he did. you really are funny when you get desperate. i never said that the input bearing didnt exist or that the one who posted the correct answer was a liar only that it had nothing to do with this or any other discussion that we had. you are right in that respect it had nothing to do with what you posted of course it did you just got the name of the bearing wrong. you also need to learn how to read. i demanded nothing i simply said that it was curious that you posted your answer after he did and i only asked why you mentioned that term when it had no meaning in this or any other discussion that we have had. and ive told you several times now why i posted it. too bad you cannot accept that you fell for it hook line and sinker. . . as always. fell for what the fact that you are an idiot like i said before the lies come out of you like breathing. how does his expanation say what bearing that you meant who needs to learn how to read tommy-boy needs to learn how to read. his explanation described the bearing. by writing the words input shaft bearing i give to you to read the correct set of words used to give the identity to the bearing he described and i later described which i had wrote in a response to see if you would strike at it like a hungry fish. there that wasnt too difficult . . .for me. are you drinking again or just od on your pain meds you did nothing but hide until someone else described what the input shaft bearing was and then after realizing that you screwed up spun and lied to try and get out of it. now you are reaching to the point of trying to use roys incorrect assessment of the situation between max and i you really are too much. all he did was confirm that it exists which i already knew not what you meant. i still think that you got it wrong no let me take that back i know it now! no you dont. i proved it many times now. yes i do and every acceleration of your already warp speed spin just serves to confirm it. of course if you did accept his post then you would have obligated yourself to admitting you were wrong and apologizing. hahahahahahaha nice try larry. i never said that the part didnt exist only that you got the name of the part in question wrong. btw i thought that you were done with me. is that just another line that you use when i prove you wrong. you seem to be done with me quite often. the way that this is going you should be done with me again any time now. as i remember it i told you i was only going to respond to a post where you had a serious error which ive pretty much done. and i also asked you exactly how what i said could be dangerous or a serious error and as usual you were unable to do so. lies like breathing.... i also remember you saying you wanted to stop but it wasnt 48 hours before you were back to your old name calling and such. lol i did stop. the name bashing contests are long over but that does not mean that you can act like an idiot and lie through your teeth without me calling you on it. did you think it would go only your way so far it has. all you have done so far is make yourself look like a complete idiot and liar. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

-- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving input shaft bearing the bearing in the front of the transmission case also in some cases called an input support bearing. that is correct budd although i dont recall anyone calling it an input support bearing since that term would more readily fit the pilot bearing. now what does this bearing have to do with the thread at hand or for that matter any of our past discussions since every other term you listed did btw i find it curious that you didnt mention this until someone else took the trouble to answer it for you. no matter what i say you would not believe it perhaps if every other word out of your mouth wasnt a lie i could. hell even the reason you just gave was another lie. but i will answer it just to point out another of your errors. i hadnt read the post the explained what it was to you. another lie theres the clue tom. that post was for you not me. and how would you know that unless you read it. i really didnt need to read it but since you want to change all the part names i cansee why it would be important that you read it. god budd you are really going over the deep end. exactly what names did i change i know that you will be unable to answer it but we all know at least 1 part name that you tried to change twice. calling what a support bearing the one in the front of the case hey tom its always been called that and you cannot change its name. get over it. prove it lets see some written document that calls it that. i chose to not mention the bearing you did because i figured if i mentioned the support bearing you would in your lack of mechanical knowledge confuse it with the pilot bearing . . i was right. no you didnt you got it wrong just admit it. hell you just got the name wrong again lol. the support bearing hahahahahahaha hehehehehehehe which bearing is that now lol since all bearings support something. then i ask again why did you mention it i think that you are lying again. heres why tom. read it slowly and carefully because you seem to get confused about things like this. are you ready sure i cant wait for the spin this time. because i wanted to thats why i wrote about the support bearing. lol as i thought no valid reason at all. just like when a child gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar before dinner. face it larry you just screwed up again but dont worry we are used to it already. sorry budd but i have a few friends that are deep into the christian community and none of them act in the childish spiteful and hateful manor that you do. im sorry budd but i think that the only reason you claim to believe is because of your health problems and that you are trying to buy fire insurance. the problem is that it is not for sale and true belief appears to be beyond you. some of the key requirements are tolerance and forgiveness and you seem incapable of either. rotflmbo!!!!!!! you are a hypocrite.i think that you need to look up the definition of this word. it is far more fitting of you. youre a backstabbing liar. that would be you. and you dont know as much as you think you do about anything. once again that would be you and you prove that with every post. explain how its acceptable with verses from the bible to use the language and names you have used in reference to me. i never said that it was but then again i dont make the christian belief claims that you do either. you say you know christians so does satan. i never said that you didnt. now for your enlightenment from you hahahahahahahahaha hehehehehehehehehehe hohohohohohohoho!!!!!! i became a christian in 1978 on church records first southern baptist church canon city co. i didnt have any health probs until 1995 on hospital records st. thomas more hospital canon city co. oh thats right my error. that must have happened when your first wife dumped your ass. i guess that you figured that a christian woman would have a big enough heart to put up with all of your bs and enough forgiveness to stay with a lying sack like yourself so you joined. i guess that you did manage to get that much right. how does it feel to be caught in more erroneous assumptions again as much as you assume incorrectly about things you should run for congress. youd fit right in. youve already proved you truthfulness matches all the campaigning requirements. pot kettle black! .

From : tbone

on fri 17 oct 2003 011741 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote did you think it would go only your way so far it has. all you have done so far is make yourself look like a complete idiot and liar. well...................he is a complete idiot.......................and a liar..................so what did you expect there are a lot of idiots in the world though and certainly just as many liars. budd however adds a certain moronic religiously fanatical repulsive slant to it that is quite rare. sad but true so true. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : redneck tookover hell

i concur you two are the subject matter experts in that area. it appears you two are frustrated as to which one is going to be moe and which one is going to be bozo. for simplicity sake ill just refer to you two as slick and little slick one other thing you two can stop blaming the rest of the world for your being idiots morons and whatever other gibberish you were posting did you think it would go only your way so far it has. all you have done so far is make yourself look like a complete idiot and liar. well...................he is a complete idiot.......................and a liar..................so what did you expect there are a lot of idiots in the world though and certainly just as many liars. budd however adds a certain moronic religiously fanatical repulsive slant to it that is quite rare. sad but true so true. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : aguy

on fri 17 oct 2003 153129 gmt budd cochran mr-d150spam@citlink.net wrote budd cochran so now you assume to think you know what i mean. nope i said that i know the truth which btw is seldom what you say or mean. no youre still wrong and you wont admit it. no youre wrong. no hes wrong. no we are all wrong. no i said you are wrong. no my big brother says you are wrong. oh yes perfectly healthy perfectly normal. no immaturity shown here none at all. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. .

From : aguy

on fri 17 oct 2003 194930 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote that was some game huh! i wonder if the socks gm will get to keep his job after that screw up go yankees. you mean pulling pedro i doubt anybody will lose their jobs. you go with the person that brought ya to the dance. like him or hate him there aint many any better. 20/20 hindsight is wonderful. all the could have and should have means squat. ny won gotta get behind them for the series. who the hell would figure boone hell he was benched i have to agree. pedro is pretty much what boston has and he is a great pitcher. i would have left him in too. the mgr. asked him if he had the gas to go and he said yes. while he is a great pitcher i love to see him lose. anyone that throws at another players head at 90 mph becacuse the other players team is hitting him hard has no respect from me. boone is a quality player. he has had trouble adjusting to the american league play but he will. he has all the tools. he is one guy i felt boston needed to worry about. he and giambi had to come around they are too good not to. it was just a matter of when and it turned out to be the wrong time for boston fans. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- budd cochran you. you recently whined about how you felt roy red max and i were ganging up on you. budd huh i was chastised earlier re max and t bone. i missed the post in which i was ganging up. dont have the need to. guess i was watching the sox get wacked. arrrrrgggggg. roy .

From : aguy

on 17 oct 2003 074911 gmt mopar440@aol.comedy.biz redneck tookover hell wrote i concur you two are the subject matter experts in that area. it appears you two are frustrated as to which one is going to be moe and which one is going to be bozo. for simplicity sake ill just refer to you two as slick and little slick one other thing you two can stop blaming the rest of the world for your being idiots morons and whatever other gibberish you were posting red neck ignoring reality and being unable to read simple english seems to have become your mantra. i am not sure that is something that you should be proud of red neck but then everyone has to have something. in your case that is all you got. every mans gotta know his limitations red neck. yours is intellect. oh and class. as for slick that is fine if you want to call me that. at least you can spell it properly. as for the rest of your post you are starting to sound like budd as it has no connection to anything that has been written up to this point. say do you own a hocky mask and a chainsaw did you think it would go only your way so far it has. all you have done so far is make yourself look like a complete idiot and liar. well...................he is a complete idiot.......................and a liar..................so what did you expect there are a lot of idiots in the world though and certainly just as many liars. budd however adds a certain moronic religiously fanatical repulsive slant to it that is quite rare. sad but true so true. a dyslexic man walks into a bra. .

From : budd cochran

-- budd cochran so now you assume to think you know what i mean. nope i said that i know the truth which btw is seldom what you say or mean. no youre still wrong and you wont admit it. i wrote it for the purpose of seeing if you would bite on it proving you watch for anything you consider to be a mistake by me to give you the chance to attack what i write. it doesnt matter if its wrong or right which it is its just that you in your paranoia feel i am a threat to you. you dont. you never will. neither will any other honest person. the biggest lie you could ever tell is that you are an honest person. if diogenes came around you looking for an honest person youd blow out his lamp and trip him. and you are telling me to grow up yep someone has to. lol youre not my daddy thank god. who was whining about being ganged up who you. you recently whined about how you felt roy red max and i were ganging up on you. thats not the case. each of us read your errors and responded independently which is not to say you havent given all of us a barrel of laughs when we see you spinning and dodging and losing track of who said what to you. budd .

From : budd cochran

shemp replaced curly who died and was later replaced by curly joe. -- budd cochran it looks like the only one spinning in the mud is you. better go get more help form shemp on this one or perhaps moe. i gotta stick my nose in so it can get kicked back between my ears. i thought the three stooges names were larry moe and curly. where did this shemp come from denny .

From : roy

-- budd cochran you. you recently whined about how you felt roy red max and i were ganging up on you. budd huh i was chastised earlier re max and t bone. i missed the post in which i was ganging up. dont have the need to. guess i was watching the sox get wacked. arrrrrgggggg. roy .

From : aguy

roy wrote you mean pulling pedro i doubt anybody will lose their jobs. you go with the person that brought ya to the dance. like him or hate him there aint many any better. 20/20 hindsight is wonderful. all the could have and should have means squat. ny won gotta get behind them for the series. who the hell would figure boone hell he was benched yeah but you have to admit that even the announcers were questioning the wisdom of leaving pedro in to pitch to matsui even before he threw the first pitch to him. matsui is a strong hitter that regularly hits those doubles into the far right pocket and pedro was getting tired. just shows that sometimes pride and showmanship can be your worst enemy. sorry .......... i wanted the yankees to win this round but i think im going to have to go with the marlins in this final bout. jerry .

From : tbone

tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote factory service manuals are full of wild goose chases. perhaps they are but i have been lucky with what mine had to say when i needed it. perhaps i was just lucky. im not saying that they dont have a need or serve a purpose but sometimes some of the things written in them is just plain dumb. remember fsms are a necessary evil to the oem as such the authoring of them is usually farmed out to those who have little incentive towards accuracy. the goal is to fill pages with text with little regard towards being appropriate. i am afraid that i have to disagree with you on this one. while they may be a necessary evil and are not perfect their general purpose is to aid the service personnel in rapid diagnosis and repair not for the general public. just filling pages with text serves little purpose for anyone. sometimes the things that they say seem unusual or invalid and i suppose that sometimes they are but i think that sometimes they are trying to point out the unusual causes of problems that the average mechanic would not even think to look at. doing this can save hours in diagnostics and that saves the dealerships $$$$. the rpm changes could easily coincide with the dashpot functions programmed into the pcm. i would go along with that with an automatic transmission but afaik there is no such mechanism with the 5 speed. from what i can see the pcm only knows when the trans is in 5th gear and reverse. if this is not true how does it know otherwise crankshaft sensor map sensor throttle position sensor. those three and some programming in the pcm can easily determine a no load decelleration. detroit has been doing it for 20+ years without specific dedicated inputs from the transmission. how would that be possible what is the difference between a no load deceleration and just revving it up for a few seconds granted the vehicle speed sensor would tip the pcm off that the vehicle is actually moving but nothing will tell it that he is shifting gears. if one takes the requirements for obd2 into account or is remotely familiar with the crankshaft sensor signal on any chrysler product or both and realizing that clutch drag and inertia will have an effect on the crank sensor signal regradless of whether the clutch is engeged or dis-engaged please explain this to me. how much force can normal clutch drag have and how does this effect the crank sensor signal this is not a wise assed comment it is an actual question. and that the pcm has to stategize in order to avoid false missfire counts non of what the op described surprises me when he shifted between gears with the clutch dis-engaged. im somewhat theorizing here so pick it apart if you feel the need. the true answer/data would have to come directly from the persons who wrote the pcm programming. true. vehicle owners have this nasty habit of not realizing that there vehicle does a particular thing until theres trouble a-foot. thats probably why three years of psychology is a pre-requisit to being an auto mechanic. are you serious dead. any pro reading this disagree that a significant percentage of auto repair is psychology think about it t being as an automobile or truck is the second most expensive thing someone is likely to purchase its a logical step that humans tend to get more than slightly emotional when it comes to their car or truck. read any auto. group youll see it plain as day. those who endeavor in auto repair without a full understanding of the head games that customers can and do play are usually not long for the business. correct and i dont believe i ever suggested such. my instincts lead me to believe that there is an internal problem something such as a cracked synchro ring a broken snap ring chewed up dog teeth on first and/or second or too much slop between first and second gears on the mainshaft. you will not get an argument out of me. wasnt trying for one. 8^ just conversing. cool same here although it could be hard to tell with all the other bs i am involved in with the 2 stooges. i dont claim to be a trans expert and never had the need to become one. on the right day it puts bread on my table. though i dont consider myself to be an expert at anything after the length of time you have been working in them i would call you an expert. the goober that the op originally visited hadnt a clue when he suggested via shifting between first and second with the vehicle stopped that there was nothing wrong internally. iows youd see the same results shifting a non-synchromesh transmission under that condition. goober was just looking to score some easy bucks. probably so. i agree with you that the best idea is to take it to a trans expert. or a professional. to me to be a professional you need at least some expertise. -- if at first you dont succeed youre

From : budd cochran

-- budd cochran so now you assume to think you know what i mean. nope i said that i know the truth which btw is seldom what you say or mean. no youre still wrong and you wont admit it. i will when you prove it. i never claimed to be perfect like you and the rest of the stooges. youre repeating yourself. could it be because you cant think of any new lies once again you accuse me of what you are doing. you and the rest of the stooges are so predictable that way. i have proved that in the other post where i purposely worded that all bearings support something. you jumped all over that like white on rice and the funny thing is that it is correct. if the bearing is not supporting some type of load it is not needed. now i know that you will say that you needed to correct some serious error that i said but since i was not wrong that would just be another lie. any way that you look at it it is you that jumps at any chance to try and say im wrong and probably for the very reasons that you stated above. you refuse to accept your error again. you are now admitting you arent all knowledgeable yet refuse to admit youve never seen bearings that arent always under load by design. the biggest lie you could ever tell is that you are an honest person. if diogenes came around you looking for an honest person youd blow out his lamp and trip him. lol only in your wild imagination. the old saying is the truth will set you free. in this case though the truth traps you. lol youre not my daddy thank god. youre welcome. are you claiming godhood now i never said any such thing you really need to understand what you read. perhaps you wouldnt make such a fool out of yourself all of the time. if you could put away the childish names then maybe everyone will know whom you speak of. thats not the case. each of us read your errors and responded independently really even roy says that didnt happen. perhaps you might want to repost exactly what error you all corrected me on. go look for yourself. yep thats close enough to what you tell everyone. which is not to say you havent given all of us a barrel of laughs when we see you spinning and dodging and losing track of who said what to you. once again that would be you as aguy demonstrated a few posts back in this thread when you accused me of saying what he said to you. then the level of warp speed spin you are in would embarrass taz lol. i suspect you two are interchangable. besides i m not in a discussion with him. you should be honored as hes not worth talking to. talk about dodging you have come up with three different reasons for saying input shaft bearing in as many posts. talk about dodging or in your case lying. you are really making it hard for me to type while laughing at you like this so ill stop here for now. nope not three reasons. i just used you own type of deviousness against you. the reason is as i stated to throw you a lure and watch you bite on it. you still havent thrown the hook. i may have to land you and throw you back. budd .

From : tbone

well budd you just keep talking in circular arguments and act foolishly. your arguments make no sense and are just desperate lies and spin. i realize that i trapped you into this by challenging you before with the your done with me bs but in all honesty i am starting to feel sorry for you. the level of this discussion has fallen way below even having fun to pure childishness so i will do the right thing and bail out. say what you will the court is now all yours. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- budd cochran so now you assume to think you know what i mean. nope i said that i know the truth which btw is seldom what you say or mean. no youre still wrong and you wont admit it. i will when you prove it. i never claimed to be perfect like you and the rest of the stooges. youre repeating yourself. could it be because you cant think of any new lies once again you accuse me of what you are doing. you and the rest of the stooges are so predictable that way. i have proved that in the other post where i purposely worded that all bearings support something. you jumped all over that like white on rice and the funny thing is that it is correct. if the bearing is not supporting some type of load it is not needed. now i know that you will say that you needed to correct some serious error that i said but since i was not wrong that would just be another lie. any way that you look at it it is you that jumps at any chance to try and say im wrong and probably for the very reasons that you stated above. you refuse to accept your error again. you are now admitting you arent all knowledgeable yet refuse to admit youve never seen bearings that arent always under load by design. the biggest lie you could ever tell is that you are an honest person. if diogenes came around you looking for an honest person youd blow out his lamp and trip him. lol only in your wild imagination. the old saying is the truth will set you free. in this case though the truth traps you. lol youre not my daddy thank god. youre welcome. are you claiming godhood now i never said any such thing you really need to understand what you read. perhaps you wouldnt make such a fool out of yourself all of the time. if you could put away the childish names then maybe everyone will know whom you speak of. thats not the case. each of us read your errors and responded independently really even roy says that didnt happen. perhaps you might want to repost exactly what error you all corrected me on. go look for yourself. yep thats close enough to what you tell everyone. which is not to say you havent given all of us a barrel of laughs when we see you spinning and dodging and losing track of who said what to you. once again that would be you as aguy demonstrated a few posts back in this thread when you accused me of saying what he said to you. then the level of warp speed spin you are in would embarrass taz lol. i suspect you two are interchangable. besides i m not in a discussion with him. you should be honored as hes not worth talking to. talk about dodging you have come up with three different reasons for saying input shaft bearing in as many posts. talk about dodging or in your case lying. you are really making it hard for me to type while laughing at you like this so ill stop here for now. nope not three reasons. i just used you own type of deviousness against you. the reason is as i stated to throw you a lure and watch you bite on it. you still havent thrown the hook. i may have to land you and throw you back. budd .

From : tbone

i never claimed that you and the three stooges were ganging up on me. that was just larry taking what i said out of context in one of his desperate attempts to spin out of trouble again. that was some game huh! i wonder if the socks gm will get to keep his job after that screw up go yankees. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- budd cochran you. you recently whined about how you felt roy red max and i were ganging up on you. budd huh i was chastised earlier re max and t bone. i missed the post in which i was ganging up. dont have the need to. guess i was watching the sox get wacked. arrrrrgggggg. roy .

From : aguy

on fri 17 oct 2003 140431 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote i never claimed that you and the three stooges were ganging up on me. that was just larry taking what i said out of context in one of his desperate attempts to spin out of trouble again. that was some game huh! i wonder if the socks gm will get to keep his job after that screw up go yankees. oh yeah. i knew were a bright guy. go yankees! .

From : budd cochran

my apologies roy. toms getting so desperate hes not telling us whos who just calling childish names. -- budd cochran -- budd cochran you. you recently whined about how you felt roy red max and i were ganging up on you. budd huh i was chastised earlier re max and t bone. i missed the post in which i was ganging up. dont have the need to. guess i was watching the sox get wacked. arrrrrgggggg. roy .

From : tbone

-- budd cochran so now you assume to think you know what i mean. nope i said that i know the truth which btw is seldom what you say or mean. no youre still wrong and you wont admit it. i will when you prove it. i never claimed to be perfect like you and the rest of the stooges. i wrote it for the purpose of seeing if you would bite on it proving you watch for anything you consider to be a mistake by me to give you the chance to attack what i write. it doesnt matter if its wrong or right which it is its just that you in your paranoia feel i am a threat to you. once again you accuse me of what you are doing. you and the rest of the stooges are so predictable that way. i have proved that in the other post where i purposely worded that all bearings support something. you jumped all over that like white on rice and the funny thing is that it is correct. if the bearing is not supporting some type of load it is not needed. now i know that you will say that you needed to correct some serious error that i said but since i was not wrong that would just be another lie. any way that you look at it it is you that jumps at any chance to try and say im wrong and probably for the very reasons that you stated above. you dont. you never will. neither will any other honest person. the biggest lie you could ever tell is that you are an honest person. if diogenes came around you looking for an honest person youd blow out his lamp and trip him. lol only in your wild imagination. and you are telling me to grow up yep someone has to. lol youre not my daddy thank god. youre welcome. who was whining about being ganged up who you. you recently whined about how you felt roy red max and i were ganging up on you. i never said any such thing you really need to understand what you read. perhaps you wouldnt make such a fool out of yourself all of the time. thats not the case. each of us read your errors and responded independently really even roy says that didnt happen. perhaps you might want to repost exactly what error you all corrected me on. which is not to say you havent given all of us a barrel of laughs when we see you spinning and dodging and losing track of who said what to you. once again that would be you as aguy demonstrated a few posts back in this thread when you accused me of saying what he said to you. then the level of warp speed spin you are in would embarrass taz lol. talk about dodging you have come up with three different reasons for saying input shaft bearing in as many posts. talk about dodging or in your case lying. you are really making it hard for me to type while laughing at you like this so ill stop here for now. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

you are really a sad sack larry. you are the one who made the false accusations here not me. grow a spine and be a man for a change. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving my apologies roy. toms getting so desperate hes not telling us whos who just calling childish names. -- budd cochran -- budd cochran you. you recently whined about how you felt roy red max and i were ganging up on you. budd huh i was chastised earlier re max and t bone. i missed the post in which i was ganging up. dont have the need to. guess i was watching the sox get wacked. arrrrrgggggg. roy .

From : roy

that was some game huh! i wonder if the socks gm will get to keep his job after that screw up go yankees. you mean pulling pedro i doubt anybody will lose their jobs. you go with the person that brought ya to the dance. like him or hate him there aint many any better. 20/20 hindsight is wonderful. all the could have and should have means squat. ny won gotta get behind them for the series. who the hell would figure boone hell he was benched -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- budd cochran you. you recently whined about how you felt roy red max and i were ganging up on you. budd huh i was chastised earlier re max and t bone. i missed the post in which i was ganging up. dont have the need to. guess i was watching the sox get wacked. arrrrrgggggg. roy .

From : tbone

that was some game huh! i wonder if the socks gm will get to keep his job after that screw up go yankees. you mean pulling pedro i doubt anybody will lose their jobs. you go with the person that brought ya to the dance. like him or hate him there aint many any better. 20/20 hindsight is wonderful. all the could have and should have means squat. ny won gotta get behind them for the series. who the hell would figure boone hell he was benched the last thing that i will claim to be is the group sports authority. hell i have a hard time keeping the names straight. but it could be seen that pedro was getting tired and should have been pulled. as jerry pointed out the sports casters were commenting on it before the damage was done. i doubt that the gm will have many fans for a long time to come. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : jerry

lol dont you just hate it when your tactics get turned and bite you on the butt get used to it. only in your delusional little mind but if it makes you feel better go ahead and dream. i posted it to lure you into revealing you wait for anything from me you percieve as a mistake. it is correct. i gave you the reason repeatedly why i did it and its making you mad that you just got caught red handed. but they are all lies. at best you are trying to use the same bs that roy claimes that moe was using. lol you should laugh i am you arguments are to comical not to. why tommy-boy i did nothing you havent done. sure you have like lied through your teeth. now you are taking things out of context what else is new. like i really care about responses from the three stooges. it is really looking like it is you who is desperate and out to get someone. or is it that you are just desperate to dig yourself out of the huge hole that you managed to spin yourself into why tommy-boy ive done nothing you havent done. whats the matter larry out of responses and forced to repeat old ones even if they dont fit the situation. what did i take out of context sure first of all a / b usually indicates that they are interchangable and that is simply not the case here since these are very different parts. the other meaning is that you are referring to two parts that we were already discussing which would have you calling the pilot bearing the input shaft bearing. ya see you did get it wrong. nope. a / can also mean either aor b. youre still wrong. hahahahaha hehehehehe what an idiot you are. did you forget the first part of the example let me get it for you. sure first of all a / b usually indicates that they are interchangable and that is simply not the case here since these are very different parts. now either and interchangable mean pretty much the same thing in this context and like the above example indicates you are still wrong moron. lol these jokes are killing me. talk about stealing materials lol. lol youre so funny when youre wrong. how would you know you have never been able to do that to me. you wouldnt know it if it kicked your teeth in. at least i still have my teeth gramps. another worthless blanket statement. i want a specific book. if the term is so commonly used as you suggest you should have no problem doing it. by answering you this way if you really want to get the answer you can get it and you will not be able to call me a liar because the path listed will work for everyone that wants to look. yet another lie you really answered this way because you know that you are wrong. back up one of you points for a change liar. hahahahahahehehehehehe gotcha!!!!!!!! below is the most solid proof in this entire thread that you are the one who is both looking to attack me and prove me wrong at any chance. i purposely worded it this way to see if you would attack me just like you falsely accused me of doing and you jumped right on it imagine that. a bearing can locate a shaft without supporting it directly as in some drillpress quills this is just word play larry. the quill cannot be located without something supporting it in that position. i never said that all bearings carried the full or even most of the load that they were supporting only that they supported something gotcha! next time read and comprehend what is being said before lashing out. sorry but youre the twisting the words. heres what you wrote no you didnt you got it wrong just admit it. hell you just got the name wrong again lol. the support bearing hahahahahahaha hehehehehehehe which bearing is that now lol since all bearings support something. my statement is correct in that not all bearings are load supportive. this phrase of yours is wrong since all bearings support something since it is untrue. no it isnt and you know it. where did i say always a thrust bearing can absorb thrust loads without supporting the shaft as in some lathes. but they do support the shaft. this is not the same thing as carrying the load but when a thrust is placed on the shaft they support it against the load. are you going to at least admit to this error nope no error. yes it is coward. the thrust is only on the bearing part time. so what where did i say or the definition say that it has to be at all times when there is no thrust on the bearing it doesnt have to be there at all. a bearing that never supports anything serves no purpose but it doesnt have to be constantly supporting something to be needed. other bearings support the shaft full time. the same situation can be found in other machinery as well. maybe you should rebuild a few quills before you make such an erroneous blanket statrement. my statement is completely accurate and you know it. you are just upset

From : budd cochran

translation i cant take having my own crap dished out to me. tom i wish i could expect you to be more certain of your information the next time you respond to posts. i wish i could be certain you wont attack my beliefs or my past. but i know from experience that at the first opportunity you will strike like the snake you are. i know that youll try to bluff your way thru with half-right information or outright lies. till then . . . . -- budd cochran well budd you just keep talking in circular arguments and act foolishly. your arguments make no sense and are just desperate lies and spin. i realize that i trapped you into this by challenging you before with the your done with me bs but in all honesty i am starting to feel sorry for you. the level of this discussion has fallen way below even having fun to pure childishness so i will do the right thing and bail out. say what you will the court is now all yours. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : daguy

on sat 18 oct 2003 000814 gmt budd cochran mr-d150spam@citlink.net wrote translation i cant take having my own crap dished out to me. give me a fucking break. coming from the king of whiners the fool of idiot island the confused of senility place this is a hoot. tom i wish i could expect you to be more certain of your information the next time you respond to posts. i wish i could be certain you wont attack my beliefs or my past. dont worry budd. i will. dude im there for you budd. just trying to help out old man. but i know from experience that at the first opportunity you will strike like the snake you are. come one now. im the snake cause i will strike at you budd unless you quit the stupid shit that defies any sense of humanity. i know that youll try to bluff your way thru with half-right information or outright lies. you lost me here. i think you had a senior moment here and actually are speaking about yourself. till then . . . . ta ta. .