Toyota Tundra see-saw ad
From : tt
Q: motor trend - june 2007 the new york times has reported that a senior general motors executive e-mailed dealers to point out that toyota may have been a bit too slick with that slick tundra see-saw advertisement http//snipurl.com/1ky41 - the gm guy claims the 10000-pounds referred to in the voiceover means the combined weight of truck and trailer not just the trailer as implied. and he indicates you have to read the fine print to see the trailer is fitted with electric brakes. wonder how they got any traction on a steel grating in the first place.. .
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From : whitelightning
stopping -- gaining traction -- on grating is perhaps the easiest part of the commercial. the grates are on edge and this offers a very high coeffecient of friction. ha ha ha thats the best laugh ive had in days. the coeffeciant of friction is next to none on them damn things even when dry and brand new. wet they are a skating rink. whitelightning .
From : none2u
suddenly without warning sbgirl11@hotmail.com exclaimed 31-may-07 858 am i have a 2001 dodge dakota with a v8 engine. on my way to work today it started to over heat and spit radiator fluid. does anyone know what this could be did it truly overheat or is it just spitting radiator fluid out the cap i have the same truck and recently the radiator cap failed. truck hadnt started overheating yet but the radiator was quite low by the time i discovered the problem noticed dripping. replaced the cap and all is well. jmc .
From : c e white
tt wrote and he indicates you have to read the fine print to see the trailer is fitted with electric brakes. wouldnt any street legal trailer of that size have to be the trailer was only around 5000 lbs. even my frontier claims i can tow 5000 lbs but nissan does recommend the use of trailer brakes for any trailer over 1000 lbs. ive towed a trailer over 5000lb behind an expedition with no trailer brakes but i wouldnt want to try to go down a 45 degree ramp that way. the whole deceptive tundra ads debate played out a couple of months back. the see-saw ad is one of a series of misleading/deceptive tundra ads. another was the one where they ran the tundra down a ramp out over a canyon - they masked out the tether used in that one. or the 0 to 60 to 0 commercial where the voice over implies that the tundra stopped much shorter than the other trucks. actually the tundra has no advantage in terms of stopping distances but it did accelerate to 60 in a shorter distance allowing it to start stopping sooner. the commercial was factually correct but implied something that was not actually true. ed .
From : jp2express
so dont believe everything someone tells you even if you saw it on tv. motor trend - june 2007 the new york times has reported that a senior general motors executive e-mailed dealers to point out that toyota may have been a bit too slick with that slick tundra see-saw advertisement http//snipurl.com/1ky41 - the gm guy claims the 10000-pounds referred to in the voiceover means the combined weight of truck and trailer not just the trailer as implied. and he indicates you have to read the fine print to see the trailer is fitted with electric brakes. wonder how they got any traction on a steel grating in the first place.. .
From : steve b
so dont believe everything someone tells you even if you saw it on tv. but if its on tv or in the paper or on the doesnt it have to be true steve ;- .
From : azwiley1
on may 17 326 pm tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcie...@earthlink.net wrote i just did this with my silverado 1500 but it was on a ice coated steel ramp and not only did i not have a problem i stopped in a shorter distance. bg oh yeah you know that earthquake that hit thailand my bad... i didnt realize the tow strap was still anchored to that big rock. lol .
From : tom lawrence
i just did this with my silverado 1500 but it was on a ice coated steel ramp and not only did i not have a problem i stopped in a shorter distance. bg oh yeah you know that earthquake that hit thailand my bad... i didnt realize the tow strap was still anchored to that big rock. .
From : jeff burke
on thu 17 may 2007 220331 +0200 tt use-author-supplied-address-header@127.1 wrote motor trend - june 2007 the new york times has reported that a senior general motors executive e-mailed dealers to point out that toyota may have been a bit too slick with that slick tundra see-saw advertisement http//snipurl.com/1ky41 - the gm guy claims the 10000-pounds referred to in the voiceover means the combined weight of truck and trailer not just the trailer as implied. and he indicates you have to read the fine print to see the trailer is fitted with electric brakes. wonder how they got any traction on a steel grating in the first place.. ill be waiting here for gm to out do that ad with one of their own featuring a 1/2 ton pu. complaining doesnt prove that they can do better. .
From : azwiley1
on may 17 207 pm jeff burke k...@yahoo.com wrote on thu 17 may 2007 220331 +0200 tt use-author-supplied-address-header@127.1 wrote motor trend - june 2007 the new york times has reported that a senior general motors executive e-mailed dealers to point out that toyota may have been a bit too slick with that slick tundra see-saw advertisementhttp//snipurl.com/1ky41 - the gm guy claims the 10000-pounds referred to in the voiceover means the combined weight of truck and trailer not just the trailer as implied. and he indicates you have to read the fine print to see the trailer is fitted with electric brakes. wonder how they got any traction on a steel grating in the first place.. ill be waiting here for gm to out do that ad with one of their own featuring a 1/2 ton pu. complaining doesnt prove that they can do better. i just did this with my silverado 1500 but it was on a ice coated steel ramp and not only did i not have a problem i stopped in a shorter distance. bg .
From : b a r r y
tt wrote and he indicates you have to read the fine print to see the trailer is fitted with electric brakes. wouldnt any street legal trailer of that size have to be .
From : jp2express
dido for us motorcycle riders! bonehenge b a r r y wrote ive ridden bicycles over lots of them and seen a wide variety of traction. think a slippery grate is scary in a truck try the slippery slightly downsloped examples on a 25 mph bicycle with a car 20-30 feet behind. on the bike i can even see a huge difference were the tires usually travel and where they dont. .
From : azwiley1
on may 18 313 pm steve b exsurdo2di...@neptune.com wrote so dont believe everything someone tells you even if you saw it on tv. but if its on tv or in the paper or on the doesnt it have to be true steve ;- i am still trying to find one of those revolvers that never needs to be reloaded! .
From : bob roberts
on fri 18 may 2007 151333 -0700 steve b exsurdo2diver@neptune.com wrote so dont believe everything someone tells you even if you saw it on tv. but if its on tv or in the paper or on the doesnt it have to be true steve ;- thats right but if its on the internet its alway true. .
From : azwiley1
on may 18 1129 am jp2express jp2mail-tempfo...@nospamyahoo.com wrote so dont believe everything someone tells you even if you saw it on tv. motor trend - june 2007 the new york times has reported that a senior general motors executive e-mailed dealers to point out that toyota may have been a bit too slick with that slick tundra see-saw advertisementhttp//snipurl.com/1ky41 - the gm guy claims the 10000-pounds referred to in the voiceover means the combined weight of truck and trailer not just the trailer as implied. and he indicates you have to read the fine print to see the trailer is fitted with electric brakes. wonder how they got any traction on a steel grating in the first place..- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - but it was on tv it has to be right! bg .
From : jeff strickland
motor trend - june 2007 the new york times has reported that a senior general motors executive e-mailed dealers to point out that toyota may have been a bit too slick with that slick tundra see-saw advertisement http//snipurl.com/1ky41 - the gm guy claims the 10000-pounds referred to in the voiceover means the combined weight of truck and trailer not just the trailer as implied. and he indicates you have to read the fine print to see the trailer is fitted with electric brakes. wonder how they got any traction on a steel grating in the first place.. the trailer hauling the load is required under federal law to have its own brakes having to state so in the fine print is a formality. toyota did nothing wrong. the gvwr is the truck trailer and the load -- including any load tht is physically in the truck not just the load that is on the trailer. toyota did nothing wrong. stopping -- gaining traction -- on grating is perhaps the easiest part of the commercial. the grates are on edge and this offers a very high coeffecient of friction. .
From : nosey
*crosspost removed from chevy and ford groups* jeff strickland wrote the gvwr is the truck trailer and the load -- including any load tht is physically in the truck not just the load that is on the trailer. toyota did nothing wrong. gvwr is the gross vehicle weight rating. it does not include an allowance for trailer weight other than the load the trailer tongue puts on the tow vehicle. gross /combined/ weight rating g*c*wr would include the total weight of the loaded vehicle and trailer. if you look at the picture of my certification sticker you will see the gvwr listed 8800 lbs in the top right corner. certification sticker http//i19.tinypic.com/4px5n2h.jpg if you compare this weight ticket to my certification sticker you will see that i was under the weight ratings for the front axle rear axle and gvwr. the /combined/ weight was 1940 lbs beyond the 8800 lb gvwr but still completely legal and under all weight ratings. weight ticket http//i16.tinypic.com/4q5tmjd.jpg -- ken .
From : ronald thompson
actually you could get better traction on a grating by adding saw teeth on the vertical ends which are not large enough to be visually detected. ron whitelightning wrote stopping -- gaining traction -- on grating is perhaps the easiest part of the commercial. the grates are on edge and this offers a very high coeffecient of friction. ha ha ha thats the best laugh ive had in days. the coeffeciant of friction is next to none on them damn things even when dry and brand new. wet they are a skating rink. whitelightning .
From : ron recer
on may 18 313 pm steve b exsurdo2di...@neptune.com wrote so dont believe everything someone tells you even if you saw it on tv. but if its on tv or in the paper or on the doesnt it have to be true steve ;- i am still trying to find one of those revolvers that never needs to be reloaded! while your at it also get one that never misses even when your on a galloping horse 200 yards from your target! g ron .
From : snoman
on fri 18 may 2007 081658 -0400 c. e. white cewhite3@removemindspring.com wrote the trailer was only around 5000 lbs. even my frontier claims i can tow 5000 lbs but nissan does recommend the use of trailer brakes for any trailer over 1000 lbs. ive towed a trailer over 5000lb behind an expedition with no trailer brakes but i wouldnt want to try to go down a 45 degree ramp that way. if you do the math the toyota has more drawbar/pulling power than any 1/2 truck out there regardless of tow ratings. anything other models are rated to tow it will pul it harder sometimes ads do not really show this. as far as break once i loast brakes and a 20k plus grain trailer in town near a mill at low speed about 15 mph and it pushed me like i was not even there in slow motion with all 4 tires locked up until it stopped which seemed like for ever. you can tow 5k without brakes as many do but you will not be able to stop it effectively in a hurry especailly at speed especail with a short wheel based vehicle like a explorer. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : jeff strickland
stopping -- gaining traction -- on grating is perhaps the easiest part of the commercial. the grates are on edge and this offers a very high coeffecient of friction. ha ha ha thats the best laugh ive had in days. the coeffeciant of friction is next to none on them damn things even when dry and brand new. wet they are a skating rink. on the flats side they are slick but on edge there are several sharp not sharp as in knife edges that are gripping the tire. and when they make ramps like these not only are the grates on edge the edges are spiked to make traction even greater. i agree completely that a flat metal ramp is slicker than snot but when the metal is placed on edge it gains rigidity and traction. .
From : whitelightning
on the flats side they are slick but on edge there are several sharp not sharp as in knife edges that are gripping the tire. and when they make ramps like these not only are the grates on edge the edges are spiked to make traction even greater. i agree completely that a flat metal ramp is slicker than snot but when the metal is placed on edge it gains rigidity and traction. they do bridges that way and untill you have had the pleasure or pucker up and chew a hole in the seat experiance of a tractors rear axles kicking out to side pulling 80000 lbs gross or the trailer kick to one side or the rear tractor axle kick out to one side when braking dont yak at me on this. the damn things flat suck for traction. thank god they dont use steel grating very often for bridge surfaces any more. and before experiancing that joy i used ramps of that construction to unlaod trailers and trucks in the service at areas that didnt have loading docks. even with a 4k or 6k lb forklift you had to be damn careful becuase if you hit the brakes to hard coming down the tires would lock up and slide. lift operators learned real fast better too slow everytime than one time too fast. whitelightning .
From : beryl
azwiley1 wrote on may 18 313 pm steve b exsurdo2di...@neptune.com wrote so dont believe everything someone tells you even if you saw it on tv. but if its on tv or in the paper or on the doesnt it have to be true steve ;- i am still trying to find one of those revolvers that never needs to be reloaded! i found it. http//www.wyb.com/lf-0067polishtargetpistol.jpg -- this explains it all!!! he was home schooled and his mommy made his ges diploma for him out of needle point to go with his pin head and needle dick. -- punkin .
From : george
from a strictly personal perspective the steel gratings that i have had the pleasure of driving on differed greatly depending on age. the new ones had traction galore those that had been in service for some time and driven on regularly were very slick. it has much to do with how many tires have driven over them and smoothed off the edges of the steel. it also varies greatly depending on the relative hardness of the tire compound a soft tire on a new grate will have very good traction to the point that it will try to shred a tire older grates with hard compound tires will slide at an alarming rate. ymmv george .
From : bonehenge b a r r y
does that dont they i havent seen dodges dual battery setup personally but im pretty sure its been mentioned here. and i dont recall ever seeing any negative comments about it. if its as i think it is then i just called it lousy and nobody wants to comment what do you think about it skippy well took ya some time to get cleaned up. still didnt answer the question. lol! wtf do ya want i just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and im beat. g . 222 335251 0mc0535nnvm83snfu21n943b1era6338j0@4ax.com on sun 20 may 2007 000937 gmt george gvig01@sbcglobal.net wrote from a strictly personal perspective the steel gratings that i have had the pleasure of driving on differed greatly depending on age. same here. ill bet cleanliness counts too. some have a nice oil & grease coating if traffic sits still on them. ive ridden bicycles over lots of them and seen a wide variety of traction. think a slippery grate is scary in a truck try the slippery slightly downsloped examples on a 25 mph bicycle with a car 20-30 feet behind. on the bike i can even see a huge difference were the tires usually travel and where they dont. .