To end the air filter debates.
From : budd cochran
Q: ah say say you entiah campaign staff an a an a close ahh ahhh advisahs all looka like a vanilla shake! whadaya whadaya gone do fuh mah peeble ifn yall spects dem to come on ahh out anahhh vote fo yall ===the right rev. dr. jesse jackson speaking to kerry at kerrys campaign hq. lol ... jackson is almost as easy to make fun of as baby bush ... or the right wing asswipe in the yesterday ... jim demint. did you see his comments about single pregnant mothers makes ya proud to be republican .. dont it ; craig c. makes me prouder to be a member of the paul revere society.. i doubt you would like those views either... 1. support traditional marriage 2. close the borders now. 3. deport all illegal immigrants now. 4. eliminate bilingual education in all states. 5. require health tests for all recent foreign born immigrants. 6. make tax cuts permanent. 7. end affirmative action 8. tort reform - stop class action lawyers. .
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From : mike simmons
for what its worth ... i installed a manual choke conversion kit on every carburated vehicle i ever owned ... until i began sharing the vehicles with the wifes -. just bought an 87 dodge pickup. whenever i drive it and its hot outside after i shut it off the truck seems to get vapor lock and refuses to start again. so i popped the hood... and what seems to be happening is the choke closes all the way whenever the engine is shut off.... which makes it darn near impossible to start. my solution is to jam the choke open with a screwdriver until it starts. also im only getting 7 miles to the gallon litterally although the truck seems to run fine. im goin to rebuild the carb but how do i know if the electric choke ever functions correctly i mean how do i test *that* or is it totally screwed up and i should save time by installing a manual choke the trucks an 87 dodge ram 360 engine. the qjets numbers are 17085431 / 1746. from what im reading that may not be the carb that came with the truck. im not a newbie but havent worked on my own cars for about twenty years and the carb thing is a new one for me. any advice greatly appreciated... and if youre in oregon it might be worth some beer. .
From : mike simmons
daniel j. stern dastern@127.0.0.1 wrote on fri 8 oct 2004 doc wrote 4 quarts of oil in 800 miles would be a smoking freight train if it was burning that much. that volume of oil would foul plugs choke the valves with carbon deposits and piss off anyone driving behind you. you have a major leak somewhere. thats about a 401 gas-oil mix assuming 20mpg for gas which is pretty common for two-cycle engines. not what youre looking for in a four-cycle of course but a smoking freight train 20mpg is a ludicrously high estimate for the vehicle in question. which would make the gas-oil ratio even higher wouldnt it meaning it wouldnt smoke as much would it the discussion was about excessive oil usage daniel and how much smoke would be produced by burning 4 quarts in 800 miles not about gas mileage. you remind me of the old saying when youre up to your ass in alligators its sometimes difficult to remember that your original intention was to drain the swamp. focus daniel. focus. .
From : denny
this link http//www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/01/airfilters/index.shtml takes you to a ford site where all the major brands of automotive air filters are tested empirically for filtration and flow. included at the site is a chart that tells how big a filter a given engine displacement needs for a maximum rpm. i am not responsible for the content of the site so dont complain to me if it tells you something you dont want to hear. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. very interesting reading. im glad you posted the link. i didnt see the chart for sizing the filter to the engine. how many cfm filter would the typical stock 5.9l engine require thanks denny #2 the formula for four stroke engine cfm is cid x rpm x ve* / 3456 *ve = volumetric efficiency 100% efficient = 1 no engine is 100% efficient however. therefore... 360 x 5500 x 1 / 3456 = 573cfm that assumes 100% efficiency which aint gonna happen mike it would if you put a blower on it....... g thanks for the formula.. #2 youre welcome! good point though i failed to mention that the formula is for naturally aspirated engines #1 .
From : denny
guys if you could replace your cummins 5.9 engine with another diesel...what would it be personally id go with a deutz liquid cooled 5.7 liter which produces 240 horses and 700 foot pounds of torque @ 1400 rpm out of the crate...no tuning baby. also it only uses 195 g/kwh! id think it would be the ultimate in economy and utility! think the model specifically is bf6m2013c. its four valve per cylinder turbo charged and direct injected. it has a bore/stroke of 98mm/126mm verses the cummins 102mm/120mm. diesel enthusiasts will immediately recognize the benefits. the original cummins 5.9 was designed as a naturally breathing monster...hence the shorter stroke and big bore allowing for more valve area. im not high on four valves but deutz makes the best of it. for you guys that buy horse power...may not be your cup of tea...personally i buy torque and economy. stuart and i buy american! mike .
From : max340
stuart wrote guys why doesnt cummins list the fuel consumption by power like g/kwh or g/hph ive been looking everywhere trying to compare cummins efficiency with that of navistar isuzu cat & deutz. nothing! not one single reference to fuel consumption to power ratios. can someone help this kind of information is the key to all worth knowing about diesel engines as far as im concerned. dont you stuart because the number wouldnt mean anything. so dodge lists theirs as 3 g/hph at a steady rpm under a certain load. does that tell you what your mileage will be no it doesnt. and then ford will list theirs as 2.8 g/hph. but it will be at a slightly lower load. and then chevy will list theirs as 2.7 g/hph but at a different rpm. etc. etc. etc. its a useless number that looks good in advertising but anybody with a lick of sense would just ignore anyway. what you want is for the epa to use their standardised test of fuel mileage. does it tell you what your mileage will be again no it doesnt. but at least you have a standardized test for comparison that actually has a reasonable basis in the real world. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .
From : max340
on fri 8 oct 2004 doc wrote 4 quarts of oil in 800 miles would be a smoking freight train if it was burning that much. that volume of oil would foul plugs choke the valves with carbon deposits and piss off anyone driving behind you. you have a major leak somewhere. thats about a 401 gas-oil mix assuming 20mpg for gas which is pretty common for two-cycle engines. not what youre looking for in a four-cycle of course but a smoking freight train 20mpg is a ludicrously high estimate for the vehicle in question. .
From : budd cochran
tbone wrote you can say it but you would be wasting your time in here. getting off fossil fuel is a great idea. trouble is we our dependent on foriegn oil today we need oil today. we do not have the ability to be off fossil fuel today. it is imperitive to get off foriegn oil today for the short term. getting off oil all together is where we need to look for the future. .
From : denny
steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote yes. why are you using all that light-weight stuff get a model 500 and be done with it!! i finally fired one. its not near as bad as i expected but the cost per shot is stupid. no doubt especially if you are using the corbons. hornaday has 20 round boxes for approx $38 if you can find them. reloads using the castperformance hardcast bullet is running just under a buck a shot. still a bit expensive but worth it. bg btw the gun i shoot the most is a p95 its gotta be the most reliable gun ive ever owned. agree...the p89 p90and p95s are perhaps as good as any out there. what colors did you get on yours poly and stainless denny .
From : roy
better check the pumps again ............... in my area diesel costs more than low grade gas. jerry in washington state diesel is higher than any grade of gasoline by at least 10 cents politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. wednesday prices unleaded regular $2.049 diesel $2.389. want a laugh that was posted at the shell station on wa 20 east of anacortes. thats almost three miles from the shell refinery at march point. http//www.caer-mp.org/members/shell.html rick .
From : nosey
please dont confuse bonehead errrrrr t-bone with the facts. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses on fri 08 oct 2004 134628 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on thu 7 oct 2004 213158 -0400 steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote like i said you either believe that saddam should still be in power or you dont..there isnt any middle ground. tom were still waiting for an answer on this. why do you keep ignoring this question if you are going to ask a single question then edit the garbage away. and there is in fact middle ground. yes saddam needed to be dealt with but no we shouldnt have done it not the way we did anyway. lol. now i see why you love kerry. you two are peas in a pod. you cant even answer one question without contradicting yourself. weak tom very weak. tom says yes we should have dealt with him. did i say yes i meant no. well i dont mean no i mean maybe. not really maybe but i mean that we should have found some magic way to deal with him that would have made americans iraqis un members and the rest of the world love us. yeah thats the ticket thats exactly what i meant. yeah thats my answer. at least for now anyway i think. but then maybe not and dont ask me what that magic way is because itll just make my head hurt even more. .
From : budd cochran
he cant but id like to see his spin on it also . . . -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. tbone wrote funny how denny seemed to understand what i was talking about. just realized how desperate a little troll you are. denny only made three posts in this entire thread and never once mentioned your stupid waste gate comment. closest he came was with i understand what you are saying about the design limitations on the block but look at how many small/big block chevys have a blower on them. a fair percentage of them are stock blocks with just the splayed main bearing cap installed. im not saying they would hold up to nitro but for street usage they do ok. im still waiting for your explanation of the massive power gain you get from a simple waste gate adjustment. jerry jerry .
From : mac davis
on 08 oct 2004 024248 gmt max340@aol.compost max340 wrote 2 rattles....something under the dash rattles/squeeks at low speed. i havent been able to narrow it down yet anyone have anything similar yeah... probably something loose sorry... could be anything try the damned cup holder at least thats what it is in my truck. an 00 max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan exactly my suggestion max... 99 1500 qq mac .
From : mac davis
guys why doesnt cummins list the fuel consumption by power like g/kwh or g/hph ive been looking everywhere trying to compare cummins efficiency with that of navistar isuzu cat & deutz. nothing! not one single reference to fuel consumption to power ratios. can someone help this kind of information is the key to all worth knowing about diesel engines as far as im concerned. dont you stuart .
From : steve carolinabreezehvac
budd cochran wrote what media are you watching ive read several reports both foreign and domestic. jeff the only one that pits liberal and conservatives views against each other doent allow one or the other to dominate the proceedings and allows you to think for yourself instead of subtly injecting their biased viewpoints into the horribly edited reporting . . .fox . try it if you dare. lol... try viewing outfoxed if you dare. fox .... l-o-double l. jeff i was right youre too brainwashed toward liberalism to risk seeing anything that might change your bigoted socialist mind . . .but i knew it was a risk . . . . i otoh have watched the biases and subtle innuendos develop in the mainstream media. when i first began following the political process back in the mid 60s reporters actually prided themselves on their lack of bias but now you have reporters that want everyone to subject themselves to the guidance of the liberal / communist factions. and youre a fine example of the result. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .
From : budd cochran
paper filters are generally so close in filtration theres not much need for specific brand listings but you might contact the filters manufacturer and ask for the info. unfortunately the info will be biased. i see the report as laying to rest the k$n filter and other washable filters debates. use a washable filter and allow more dirt into your engine. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. its not rocket science altho filters are used on the shuttle... lol this link http//www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/01/airfilters/index.shtml takes you to a ford site where all the major brands of automotive air filters are tested empirically for filtration and flow. included at the site is a chart that tells how big a filter a given engine displacement needs for a maximum rpm. i am not responsible for the content of the site so dont complain to me if it tells you something you dont want to hear. interesting but i dont see a rating for filtration by brand. paul johnson .
From : budd cochran
budd cochran wrote what media are you watching ive read several reports both foreign and domestic. jeff the only one that pits liberal and conservatives views against each other doent allow one or the other to dominate the proceedings and allows you to think for yourself instead of subtly injecting their biased viewpoints into the horribly edited reporting . . .fox . try it if you dare. lol... try viewing outfoxed if you dare. fox .... l-o-double l. what about mike savave boortz jeff .
From : budd cochran
going into lawn mower racing denny vbg -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. i told ya that thing was making power!! g hey denny do you know anything about the wheelhorse 414-8 tractors i just bought one and im looking for any facts i can find. its used so i dont have the factory manuals. im interested in finding those and a plow or blower for it since it has the axle mounts for the plow but no plow or frame for the plow. max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan i dont think i can help you out much on that unless you want to strip it down to the frame stretch it without it looking stretched get rid of the low range in trans lock the diff redesign the belt drive add variable shive pulleys and various other ways of cheating without getting caught... bg denny .
From : budd cochran
paper filters are generally so close in filtration theres not much need for specific brand listings but you might contact the filters manufacturer and ask for the info. unfortunately the info will be biased. i see the report as laying to rest the k$n filter and other washable filters debates. use a washable filter and allow more dirt into your engine. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. this link http//www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/01/airfilters/index.shtml takes you to a ford site where all the major brands of automotive air filters are tested empirically for filtration and flow. included at the site is a chart that tells how big a filter a given engine displacement needs for a maximum rpm. i am not responsible for the content of the site so dont complain to me if it tells you something you dont want to hear. interesting but i dont see a rating for filtration by brand. paul johnson .
From : paul johnson
steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote i missed a couple of things there.... inserted below like what i have a wife and daughter that have been assalted had a home invasion and now i am protected i drive around in a van that would cost over $100000 roughly to replace if it was jacked....and on a good day might carry over $8000 to the bank it answers one....i know what gun control is and normally hit what i aim for. it answers another one...before the volunteer deputy program was shut down i rode at least 3x a month with the paid guys and could legally carry. dont tell me you are against gun ownership...dont tell me there isnt a need for them. guns dont kill....the person pulling the trigger does. oh..i know what question it answers...yes i prefer ruger but own taurus and bersa as well. the super blackhawk 44mag i own is just a bit much for personal protection and the wife likes the bersa deluxe 380 or her taurus 357 with 38 special rounds in it..and hydroshocks are nice but i prefer the taurus coppers made by pmc in the 45. i use winchester platinums in the 44....any other questions you need answered yes. why are you using all that light-weight stuff get a model 500 and be done with it!! i finally fired one. its not near as bad as i expected but the cost per shot is stupid. bg btw the gun i shoot the most is a p95 its gotta be the most reliable gun ive ever owned. agree...the p89 p90and p95s are perhaps as good as any out there. what colors did you get on yours denny .
From : denny
antifreeze does not evaporate quick!!! if you are loosin coolant and cant see where it is going you may have a blown head gasket or even intake gasket sucking coolant thru the engine and out the tail pipe glenn chrysler tech all i have a 95 ram 2500 v8 magnum about 120k miles.. about two weeks ago the temp gauge went nuts and almost redlined. i found my coolant reservoir almost empty. i topped off the radiator and the reservoir while engine was dead-cold and everything was peachy again. today 2 weeks later the temp was fine this morning but on my way home 20 mile drive spiked again and i found the reservoir empty. i dont think its leaking i didnt see any drippage or anything after it sat a full night in the driveway but then again antifreeze evaporates pretty quick... anyone have any thoughts before i take it to a dealer hell even if i need to take it in id like to have something useful to tell them... help! .
From : theotherbob
steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote i missed a couple of things there.... inserted below like what i have a wife and daughter that have been assalted had a home invasion and now i am protected i drive around in a van that would cost over $100000 roughly to replace if it was jacked....and on a good day might carry over $8000 to the bank it answers one....i know what gun control is and normally hit what i aim for. it answers another one...before the volunteer deputy program was shut down i rode at least 3x a month with the paid guys and could legally carry. dont tell me you are against gun ownership...dont tell me there isnt a need for them. guns dont kill....the person pulling the trigger does. oh..i know what question it answers...yes i prefer ruger but own taurus and bersa as well. the super blackhawk 44mag i own is just a bit much for personal protection and the wife likes the bersa deluxe 380 or her taurus 357 with 38 special rounds in it..and hydroshocks are nice but i prefer the taurus coppers made by pmc in the 45. i use winchester platinums in the 44....any other questions you need answered yes. why are you using all that light-weight stuff get a model 500 and be done with it!! bg btw the gun i shoot the most is a p95 its gotta be the most reliable gun ive ever owned. denny .
From : jeff mayner
i told ya that thing was making power!! g hey denny do you know anything about the wheelhorse 414-8 tractors i just bought one and im looking for any facts i can find. its used so i dont have the factory manuals. im interested in finding those and a plow or blower for it since it has the axle mounts for the plow but no plow or frame for the plow. max; might want to give http//www.yesterdaystractors.com/ a try. they seem to have info on just about any old tractor - bob .
From : max340
on thu 7 oct 2004 202305 -0500 bob bob@nospam.com wrote bob wrote on thu 7 oct 2004 john kunkel wrote the engine speed is not connected with the oil consumption. if your engine consumed or lost 4 quarts of oil in 800 miles you either have a whipped engine or a large leak. disagree many vans had ridiculously low axle ratios and the absence of od would have the motor running at 3500+ rpms at freeway speeds. a tired motor will suck more oil at 3500 than it will at 1800. ...and a non-tired engine will use no more oil at 3500 than at 1800. but it will get tired at least twice as fast not necessarily. matt if everything else is equal it certainly well. bob but not all else is equal. given the same load the engine running at higher rpm is running under less load less torque which translates to lower cyl pressures lower bearing loads etc. a free running engine generally lasts longer than a lugged engine. okay lets take a stock chevy v-8 for example. you can run it at 3500 rpms loaded at wot for days on end with no problems. run that same engine at 7000 with only a light load and its life will be measured in seconds. why is that given your explaination of the low cylinder pressures and light loads it should last a long time. in reality loads and stresses rise very fast as the speed goes up. not saying the high revving engine will last longer but its not as simple as engine runs twice as fast wears twice as fast or more i was being conservative....... bob .
From : budd cochran
who would carry this part beside a dodge dealership a search at http//www.rockauto.com turns up a raybestos part part # abs530778 for under $20. if it were me id probably spend the extra $10 or so and get the dealer part. if your local dealership wont discount it any you can order it online from this dodge dealer http//www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfmsiteid=213794 how do you take it out unplug the electrical connector from it back out the bolt and pull it out. very simple. .
From : denny
on thu 7 oct 2004 202305 -0500 bob bob@nospam.com wrote bob wrote on thu 7 oct 2004 john kunkel wrote the engine speed is not connected with the oil consumption. if your engine consumed or lost 4 quarts of oil in 800 miles you either have a whipped engine or a large leak. disagree many vans had ridiculously low axle ratios and the absence of od would have the motor running at 3500+ rpms at freeway speeds. a tired motor will suck more oil at 3500 than it will at 1800. ...and a non-tired engine will use no more oil at 3500 than at 1800. but it will get tired at least twice as fast not necessarily. matt if everything else is equal it certainly well. bob but not all else is equal. given the same load the engine running at higher rpm is running under less load less torque which translates to lower cyl pressures lower bearing loads etc. a free running engine generally lasts longer than a lugged engine. not saying the high revving engine will last longer but its not as simple as engine runs twice as fast wears twice as fast or more .
From : budd cochran
vbg -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. a oem filter housing is good to about 5500-6000 so no need to worry. but you may want to make sure youre getting outside air into it. btw according to the chart first page at the bottom your pulling tractor engines filter was big enough for a 225 slant six at 6000 rpm. vbg -- i told ya that thing was making power!! g denny .
From : budd cochran
a oem filter housing is good to about 5500-6000 so no need to worry. but you may want to make sure youre getting outside air into it. btw according to the chart first page at the bottom your pulling tractor engines filter was big enough for a 225 slant six at 6000 rpm. vbg -- i told ya that thing was making power!! g denny .
From : denny
a oem filter housing is good to about 5500-6000 so no need to worry. but you may want to make sure youre getting outside air into it. btw according to the chart first page at the bottom your pulling tractor engines filter was big enough for a 225 slant six at 6000 rpm. vbg -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. this link http//www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/01/airfilters/index.shtml takes you to a ford site where all the major brands of automotive air filters are tested empirically for filtration and flow. included at the site is a chart that tells how big a filter a given engine displacement needs for a maximum rpm. i am not responsible for the content of the site so dont complain to me if it tells you something you dont want to hear. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. very interesting reading. im glad you posted the link. i didnt see the chart for sizing the filter to the engine. how many cfm filter would the typical stock 5.9l engine require thanks denny .
From : max340
lets see....clinton had the same info that bush had.... what did clinton do kept the peace and gave us 8 years of kick ass economic reform. even paid down the deficit. i miss his leadership ... which is easy given the current leadership. oh how i long for a president that can put three words together. that should be a country music song ... craig c. . 222 290851 bh0cm059oomvfver5ssac7mima8hsdr2mi@4ax.com on thu 7 oct 2004 213158 -0400 steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote gigolo kerry wrote kerrys facts just dont add up but bush and cheneys lies do. said it before will say it again....and i dontknow whats so hard to understand... there are no good choices this go round...but i know whos stood behind his convictions and not waivered to gain votes... lol please define waivered without the typical right wing spin. you got a websters look it up. thats not an answer. sure it is. i know what i mean but you need to see if your definition matches mine....its in websters. now...do we want a guy in office that thinks the world is a better place with saddam out there or one that did what he set out to do that is not what he said and you know that. the point is that he had no wmds and his ability to manufacture them had fallen apart years ago. bush rushed in with no game plan and as a result the world is more dangerous than ever and over 1000 of our brave men and women are dead for no valid reason and this is your choice wrong warwrong time he said. yep thats what he said and all the evidence comming in backs that up including our own reports. flash....the war never officially ended.... so if you believe that you also must admit that you would let saddam go and allow him to be back in power....or make it easy on you lol why would i or anyone do that what is done is done but that doesnt mean that is was done correctly or that it needed to be rushed into at this time. like kerry said wrong war wrong time. like i said you either believe that saddam should still be in power or you dont..there isnt any middle ground. tom were still waiting for an answer on this. why do you keep ignoring this question you must also believe that the world is a safer place with saddam in power still. with the current state iraq is in and what other countries are now doing the world is now a more dangerous place than it was. iraq is in a transitional phase and you really need to ask yourself...if all you knew was saddam all your life would you not fight to retain what you believed to be the right way now...if you think that the iraqi militia is right....please watch this http//www.mensdaily.com/video/armstrong-murder2.wmv or http//www.mensdaily.com/video/korean2.wmv dont preach to me about the military. i have a son in law that is there and he is glad he is there. he will be here in nov for leave and then he is asking to go back. then i would question why. does he just want to kill someone he was on the uss peleiu sp when it first went in...hes seen the change and hes seen the good in the people there....he knows hes doing the right thing. define more dangerous without the typical left wing spin. sure people in iraq are being killed every day and at a much larger number than during saddams time. it was predictable as to who saddam would go after but now everyone and anywhere is fair game. there is a huge influx of terrorists pouring into iraq that simply didnt happen during saddams time and iraq itself is being the poster boy for terrorist recruiting. so..what does that really tell you man you think long and hard on that one...cause its a simple answer and isnt the one that you will first think of. btw you really do need to read up more on whats going on with the wmd front...its been proven he had over 3 litres of sarin...might want to see what just those 3litres can do to a town...or city. really lets see a link. http//www.nypost.com//world/29793.htm all this is is speculation and crap from unnamed sources. no names no validity. might want to read that in a democratic paper no less. what exactly makes the post a democratic paper could it be that they tell the truth both when bush is successful and when he falls on his face. lol...ok...how you you do the research and its simple...or do you want everyone to do it all for you. tell ya what..you vote for kerry and considered it canceled...ok i know i cant change your mind...altho it should be simple to do with you backing kerry.. oh...think on this.. you cant win a war you dont believe in. kerry does not. no more than he believed
From : greg o
budd cochran wrote what i find bothersome is that the report came out now after over 4 years. pres. bush only acted as hes promised saddam when saddam refused to let the un investigators look around . . .could it be he was hiding or destroying his wmds do you think investigtors were looking around. remember the el samoud missles thet up to now is the only thing that has been found. no weapons no weapons programs no weapons related programs and no weapons related program activities.you dont believe that it was hussein that kicked them out do you he didnt in 98 and he didnt in 03. i remember bush saying he did after the fact and having to retract. actually it was ari that retracted cause we all know bush cannot admit a mistake. can you http//www.fox.com/story/0293312013700.html you dont believe that this is the iraqi war 2 do you since this is a continuation of the first military action....as we have never ceased since 91... oh..this link also credits your kicked out statement... http//www.tandl.vt.edu/foundations/mediaproject/mediaprojecthtml/iraq14.html if the report had come out in a timely manner if the investigators hadnt been delayed from doing their jobs would pres. bush have attacked iraq at all reports coming out in a timely manner lol... not from the bush administration. its a minor miricle it came out at all. just another example of the bush admin. shooting themselves in the foot. if they had let all this crap out in 03 most of it would have blown over and theyd be able to count on the american publics short attention span to do the work for them. and clinton had it before him....what did he do with it did you get a load of rummy yesterday l. paul bremmer why hasnt any of the media noticed this what media are you watching ive read several reports both foreign and domestic. jeff what a load of biased propaganda. doesnt mention much about the full content of the report. typical liberal media. leave out the facts and spin what creates division. afterall division is what the democrats need to survive. sal wrote baghdad oct. 7 xinhuanet -- a us report on iraqs alleged weapons of mass destruction wmd which cleared iraq of possession of such arms triggered fiery condemnation among the iraqis on thursday. http//.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-10/07/content2061461.htm one of 1880 related sites .
From : john kunkel
im curious as to why no drilling in alaska do you live there -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .