The 5 most overpriced vehicles
From : nomen nescio
Q: ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced .
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From : bassplayer12
arent all cars overpriced. ;- ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced .
From : roy
more crap from the fool ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced .
From : dave and trudy
more crap from the fool ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced i cant see the grand marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort of thing. i can buy one for less than a v-6 camry with similar equipment and it will get almost the same fuel mileage. on the downside it is a big soft riding barge....i tried driving one for a few months and decided it wasnt for me it was my mothers car and i decided to try it out when she got a new car. if the ram and f150 are over priced then the tundra must be super wildly over priced. toyota has piled so many incentives on to that pig that they are almost giving them away - surely it is toyota biggest marketing disaster in a decade. to big to ugly horrible gas mileage quality problems design problems what a joke of a truck. ed ah you are so right. the but here is ---- given todays more common mindset among many drivers it the tundra is made by a japanese company and therefore by definition must be superior to anything with an american badge on it. dont confuse them with facts their minds are made up already... daved .
From : mike simmons
more crap from the fool ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced i cant see the grand marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort of thing. i can buy one for less than a v-6 camry with similar equipment and it will get almost the same fuel mileage. on the downside it is a big soft riding barge....i tried driving one for a few months and decided it wasnt for me it was my mothers car and i decided to try it out when she got a new car. if the ram and f150 are over priced then the tundra must be super wildly over priced. toyota has piled so many incentives on to that pig that they are almost giving them away - surely it is toyota biggest marketing disaster in a decade. to big to ugly horrible gas mileage quality problems design problems what a joke of a truck. ed ah you are so right. the but here is ---- given todays more common mindset among many drivers it the tundra is made by a japanese company and therefore by definition must be superior to anything with an american badge on it. dont confuse them with facts their minds are made up already... daved sad but true dave... sad but true..... sigh mike .
From : c e white
more crap from the fool ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced i cant see the grand marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort of thing. i can buy one for less than a v-6 camry with similar equipment and it will get almost the same fuel mileage. on the downside it is a big soft riding barge....i tried driving one for a few months and decided it wasnt for me it was my mothers car and i decided to try it out when she got a new car. if the ram and f150 are over priced then the tundra must be super wildly over priced. toyota has piled so many incentives on to that pig that they are almost giving them away - surely it is toyota biggest marketing disaster in a decade. to big to ugly horrible gas mileage quality problems design problems what a joke of a truck. ed .
From : shawn
if the ram and f150 are over priced then the tundra must be super wildly over priced. toyota has piled so many incentives on to that pig that they are almost giving them away - surely it is toyota biggest marketing disaster in a decade. to big to ugly horrible gas mileage quality problems design problems what a joke of a truck. they dont call them toy yodas for nothing. i want a real truck. not a toy. .
From : ashton crusher
on fri 4 jan 2008 172927 -0500 c. e. white cewhite3@mindspring.com wrote more crap from the fool ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced i cant see the grand marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort of thing. i can buy one for less than a v-6 camry with similar equipment and it will get almost the same fuel mileage. on the downside it is a big soft riding barge....i tried driving one for a few months and decided it wasnt for me it was my mothers car and i decided to try it out when she got a new car. she probably didnt get the handling suspension package. if you option it like police car or simply order the police package its a great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the highway. if the ram and f150 are over priced then the tundra must be super wildly over priced. toyota has piled so many incentives on to that pig that they are almost giving them away - surely it is toyota biggest marketing disaster in a decade. to big to ugly horrible gas mileage quality problems design problems what a joke of a truck. ed .
From : ashton crusher
on sat 05 jan 2008 122145 -0500 brent none@none.com wrote ashton crusher wrote if you option it like police car or simply order the police package its a great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the highway. thats a bit of a stretch no i doubt itll be pulling the lotus and ferraris through the corners. better handling is a far cry from great handling. b everything is relative. compared to just about anything else mass produced and at a reasonable price adding the handling package makes it very very good but no its not going to knock off a ferrari. even years ago when r&t or one of the major car mags tested a police package impala they were getting around 0.90 on the skid pad and praised how well it handled. these cars can handle surprisingly well when properly set up its really a shame they dont just build them all that way. .
From : bill schwab
mike simmons wrote ah you are so right. the but here is ---- given todays more common mindset among many drivers it the tundra is made by a japanese company and therefore by definition must be superior to anything with an american badge on it. dont confuse them with facts their minds are made up already... daved sad but true dave... sad but true..... sigh mike i have pretty good open-mind credentials on this because my most recent purchase was an f-150. i dug around and it was a pretty clear winner. things can always take an ugly turn but so far it appears to be one hell of a machine. its a low mileage 96 but its still a ford. with that said you can lament the publics attitude toward us manufacturers but whose fault is that i cannot speak to the whole market but they produced some real junk 20+ years ago and like it or not it takes a long time for the collective memory to get past it. i can still remember the buick that fell apart on me and the companys terrible attitude about it. now you have people not much older than me with kids leaving for college; what guidance do you think they provide more to the point what are they going to buy as it is probably their money not juniors it is damn hard to win over a customer; it is very easy to send them elsewhere and while
From : whitelightning
if it helps any i have noted that nissans attitude toward my 18 year old sentra has been less than stellar. sure they dont make money on me but one would hope they would see it as badge of honor and at least bag the hostility. in fairness i think it is mostly a dealer which i visit only when there is no other choice taken over by poor management. however i also noted a few years ago that nissan was worst of class in suvs or something. nissan might be in the throws of the same mistakes that buick and others made decades ago bill could it be because of the merger with reanult one only has to lok to mack trucks to see the way reanult works they milked mack for everything they could and then sold the dregs to volvo. the media is as much to blame as anyone. let gm or ford have a recall and their all over it like vultures on road kill. but how comes they never do the same on the ricers whitelightning .
From : bill schwab
whitelightning wrote if it helps any i have noted that nissans attitude toward my 18 year old sentra has been less than stellar. sure they dont make money on me but one would hope they would see it as badge of honor and at least bag the hostility. in fairness i think it is mostly a dealer which i visit only when there is no other choice taken over by poor management. however i also noted a few years ago that nissan was worst of class in suvs or something. nissan might be in the throws of the same mistakes that buick and others made decades ago bill could it be because of the merger with reanult one only has to lok to mack trucks to see the way reanult works they milked mack for everything they could and then sold the dregs to volvo. not sure; i will look for signs of it. the media is as much to blame as anyone. let gm or ford have a recall and their all over it like vultures on road kill. but how comes they never do the same on the ricers excellent point. bill .
From : edwin pawlowski
not sure why they list the durango. the msrp might be overpriced but dodge almost always has $4000-$6000 rebates. mine stickered at 34k and i bought it for 24k which to me was a great price for a 4x4 hemi slt durango. but is would sure suck at 34k sticker price. my guess is that is what they mean. at work we recently bought an f-250 4wd and plow package for 25k. sticker was 30ish before the plow. .
From : edwin pawlowski
i cant see the grand marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort of thing. i can buy one for less than a v-6 camry with similar equipment and it will get almost the same fuel mileage. on the downside it is a big soft riding barge....i tried driving one for a few months and decided it wasnt for me it was my mothers car and i decided to try it out when she got a new car. she probably didnt get the handling suspension package. if you option it like police car or simply order the police package its a great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the highway. probably most people dont get and dont know of the package. i had one as a rental and it was like driving a living room sofa bobbing on ocean waves. horrid machine on the highway. .
From : miles
nomen nescio wrote ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced not sure why they list the durango. the msrp might be overpriced but dodge almost always has $4000-$6000 rebates. mine stickered at 34k and i bought it for 24k which to me was a great price for a 4x4 hemi slt durango. .
From : bob m
nomen nescio wrote ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced well since the dodge ram isnt a car your info is already flawed. moron. bob .
From : brent
ashton crusher wrote if you option it like police car or simply order the police package its a great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the highway. thats a bit of a stretch no i doubt itll be pulling the lotus and ferraris through the corners. better handling is a far cry from great handling. b .
From : whitelightning
thats a bit of a stretch no i doubt itll be pulling the lotus and ferraris through the corners. better handling is a far cry from great handling. b perhaps but then put six people and luggage in the lotus or ferrari and hook the boat up behind ether of them as well. whitelightning. .
From : jeff
nomen nescio wrote ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... yet only one of these vehicles is a car. jeff forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced .
From : starscream
ashton crusher wrote on fri 4 jan 2008 172927 -0500 c. e. white cewhite3@mindspring.com wrote more crap from the fool ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced i cant see the grand marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort of thing. i can buy one for less than a v-6 camry with similar equipment and it will get almost the same fuel mileage. on the downside it is a big soft riding barge....i tried driving one for a few months and decided it wasnt for me it was my mothers car and i decided to try it out when she got a new car. she probably didnt get the handling suspension package. if you option it like police car or simply order the police package its a great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the highway. more like 30-32 on the highway at legal speeds i do have the handling package btw... .
From : bill schwab
edwin pawlowski wrote edwin pawlowski wrote not sure why they list the durango. the msrp might be overpriced but dodge almost always has $4000-$6000 rebates. mine stickered at 34k and i bought it for 24k which to me was a great price for a 4x4 hemi slt durango. but is would sure suck at 34k sticker price. my guess is that is what they mean. at work we recently bought an f-250 4wd and plow package for 25k. sticker was 30ish before the plow. i havent bought a new vehicle in a long time so i am not well informed. do you not get nailed sales tax on the rebate amount that would irritate me worse than itching powder - hand me my own money back minus 7-10%. bill the rebate can be assigned to the dealer and it just becomes a discount on the vehicle thus no sales tax on that portion. 10% what state is that i certainly dont want to live there. sorry just guesstimating for counties like the one that surrounds my place of work. theyd tax the air we breathe if they could; yes i do struggle with whether i should move out of it. if you will forgive the political semi-rant consider that the states that do not have a sales tax of 7% or more make up for it by taxing income and that counties and probably cities add their own sales taxes. i actually prefer sales taxes to the alternatives because they get in the buyers face. add up what you pay to government in income payroll property and sales taxes then throw in some of the fees and the items utilities say that your local government asks* that you contribute... all of that says nothing of the costs imposed on us by government regulation; thats not all bad but it is out of control. it strikes me that we have an obligation to over-estimate the cost of government because government does everything it can to hide what it takes from us. at the federal level they/we spend three trillion dollars per year. one thing that would help deobfuscate the cost of government would be the fairtax. it wont fix the spending but it would bring the tax man out into the open. hopefully then the people paying the tab would start pressuring their representatives to cut the largess. * try saying no sometime - then you will discover it is yet another tax. end of rant. happy new year! bill .
From : edwin pawlowski
sorry just guesstimating for counties like the one that surrounds my place of work. theyd tax the air we breathe if they could; yes i do struggle with whether i should move out of it. if you will forgive the political semi-rant consider that the states that do not have a sales tax of 7% or more make up for it by taxing income and that counties and probably cities add their own sales taxes. end of rant. happy new year! bill rant on if you want. i dont mind paying a fair tax for services but i dont want to pay for all the waste and pork around. you forgot the tax the business that is so popular. when given a choice people will support an added tax as long as it is on the local businesses not on them. they forget that businesses dont pay any taxes. they just pass that along with the price of goods sold and the consumer still pays in the end. in our state ct we also pay a personal property tax on our cars. value is based on book value not condition or actual value. no pay no registration. .
From : bill schwab
edwin sorry just guesstimating for counties like the one that surrounds my place of work. theyd tax the air we breathe if they could; yes i do struggle with whether i should move out of it. if you will forgive the political semi-rant consider that the states that do not have a sales tax of 7% or more make up for it by taxing income and that counties and probably cities add their own sales taxes. end of rant. happy new year! bill rant on if you want. i dont mind paying a fair tax for services but i dont want to pay for all the waste and pork around. agreed. though i add that frequently government has a loose way of deciding which services to provide. my city made a big thing of canceling its new years eve celebration. to their credit they did cancel it. if the businesses in their little downtown panacea complete with high prices limited hours of operation poor selection lousy roads and insufficient parking - you have to know the area or just take my word for itg want to pay to attract people let them dig into their own pockets and raise their already bloated prices. again i am forced to give the city credit for no doubt grudgingly taking a stance approximating that. our county would simply let roads go to even further toward hell and raise property taxes to cover it. that would be in addition to the extra gasoline tax purportedly for roads gets wasted on who knows what. i said i would stop ranting ; you forgot the tax the business that is so popular. when given a choice people will support an added tax as long as it is on the local businesses not on them. they forget that businesses dont pay any taxes. they just pass that along with the price of goods sold and the consumer still pays in the end. in our state ct we also pay a personal property tax on our cars. value is based on book value not condition or actual value. no pay no registration. you sound like you might already be aware of the concept but just in case have a look at http//www.fairtax.org its not just a fair tax; its the fairtax. government would still be out of control but i think it would help joe average start to see just how much hes paying for the free lunch at uncle sams grill. that in turn should cramp the career politicians life style. bill .
From : my name is nobody
ashton crusher wrote on fri 4 jan 2008 172927 -0500 c. e. white cewhite3@mindspring.com wrote more crap from the fool ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced i cant see the grand marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort of thing. i can buy one for less than a v-6 camry with similar equipment and it will get almost the same fuel mileage. on the downside it is a big soft riding barge....i tried driving one for a few months and decided it wasnt for me it was my mothers car and i decided to try it out when she got a new car. she probably didnt get the handling suspension package. if you option it like police car or simply order the police package its a great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the highway. more like 30-32 on the highway at legal speeds i do have the handling package btw... no one is getting a true 32 miles per gallon on a v-8 grand marquis unless they are towing it... .
From : clare at snyder on ca
on sun 06 jan 2008 205409 gmt my name is nobody nobody@msn.com wrote ashton crusher wrote on fri 4 jan 2008 172927 -0500 c. e. white cewhite3@mindspring.com wrote more crap from the fool ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced i cant see the grand marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort of thing. i can buy one for less than a v-6 camry with similar equipment and it will get almost the same fuel mileage. on the downside it is a big soft riding barge....i tried driving one for a few months and decided it wasnt for me it was my mothers car and i decided to try it out when she got a new car. she probably didnt get the handling suspension package. if you option it like police car or simply order the police package its a great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the highway. more like 30-32 on the highway at legal speeds i do have the handling package btw... no one is getting a true 32 miles per gallon on a v-8 grand marquis unless they are towing it... or using canadian gallons which are 5/4 of a us short gallon -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
From : clare at snyder on ca
on fri 4 jan 2008 212004 +0100 cet nomen nescio nobody@dizum.com wrote ...the dodge ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the u.s. rounding out the top five the mercury grand marquis fords f- 150 the dodge durango and the gmc envoy... forbes.com article http//easyurl.net/overpriced an old auctioneer friend of mine told me years ago an item is worth exactly what the highest bidder is willing to pay for it in a given place on a given day - not one cent more and not one cent less as long as people keep buying these vehicles at the price they are selling for they are not overpriced. you may argue about the sanity of anyone who pays that kind of money for the vehicle but sales figures appear to speak for the price. would i buy any of them nope. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
From : bill schwab
edwin pawlowski wrote not sure why they list the durango. the msrp might be overpriced but dodge almost always has $4000-$6000 rebates. mine stickered at 34k and i bought it for 24k which to me was a great price for a 4x4 hemi slt durango. but is would sure suck at 34k sticker price. my guess is that is what they mean. at work we recently bought an f-250 4wd and plow package for 25k. sticker was 30ish before the plow. i havent bought a new vehicle in a long time so i am not well informed. do you not get nailed sales tax on the rebate amount that would irritate me worse than itching powder - hand me my own money back minus 7-10%. bill .
From : edwin pawlowski
edwin pawlowski wrote not sure why they list the durango. the msrp might be overpriced but dodge almost always has $4000-$6000 rebates. mine stickered at 34k and i bought it for 24k which to me was a great price for a 4x4 hemi slt durango. but is would sure suck at 34k sticker price. my guess is that is what they mean. at work we recently bought an f-250 4wd and plow package for 25k. sticker was 30ish before the plow. i havent bought a new vehicle in a long time so i am not well informed. do you not get nailed sales tax on the rebate amount that would irritate me worse than itching powder - hand me my own money back minus 7-10%. bill the rebate can be assigned to the dealer and it just becomes a discount on the vehicle thus no sales tax on that portion. 10% what state is that i certainly dont want to live there. .
From : brent
whitelightning wrote thats a bit of a stretch no i doubt itll be pulling the lotus and ferraris through the corners. better handling is a far cry from great handling. b perhaps but then put six people and luggage in the lotus or ferrari and hook the boat up behind ether of them as well. whitelightning. my buddy has a grand marquis or whatever its called and you can fit two in the front with no legroom in the back. its a big car but very very little legroom in the back. the only way you get 6 in there is if theyre midgets and the boat is a 12 footer. b .
From : brent
ashton crusher wrote everything is relative. compared to just about anything else mass produced and at a reasonable price adding the handling package makes it very very good but no its not going to knock off a ferrari. even years ago when r&t or one of the major car mags tested a police package impala they were getting around 0.90 on the skid pad handling isnt all just about the skidpad number feedback from the car telling you when you are reaching the limits how well it absorbs the road and gives you feedback without losing grip through the bumpies perfect power steering balance all those things contribute. ive got a g35 and a maxima that are the same year and very close to the same size but the max has horrible floaty handling 45 ft turning radius and a too much body roll. it handles considerably better than my fathers impala and i still think it sucks because im used to the g35. rwd and irs baby thats the ticket. as soon as the max is paid off im getting another 6 speed g35.... b .
From : starscream
clare at snyder.on.ca wrote or using canadian gallons which are 5/4 of a us short gallon likely since its a canadian car .
From : c e white
more like 30-32 on the highway at legal speeds i do have the handling package btw... no one is getting a true 32 miles per gallon on a v-8 grand marquis unless they are towing it... maybe not but i certainly got in the high 20s 27 with my mothers old grand marquis with four people and luggage in the car on trip to annapolis in 2006. in everyday driving back and forth to work i average 21 mpg - almost the same as with my current fusion and better than my so 4 cylinder front wheel drive rav4. for comparison this year we drove the rav4 to annapolis with the same four people and luggage and we got...wait for it.............27 mpg. the same as with the grand marquis. if you have not driven a grand marquis i think you would be surprised at how good they are on gas. on a long trip my 6 cylinder awd fusion will beat it by no more than 1 or 2 miles per gallon. ed .
From : mark jones
clare at snyder.on.ca wrote an old auctioneer friend of mine told me years ago an item is worth exactly what the highest bidder is willing to pay for it in a given place on a given day - not one cent more and not one cent less i paid what i was willing to pay when i got my 2004 f-150 and do not consider that i paid more than it was worth at the time. i got good money for my trade-in and a discount on the new truck that was better than i expected to get. you comment above is exactly correct. once the buyer and seller reach argreement and the sale occurs the vehicle was not overpriced. .