Tail pipes burning paint
From : cbhvac
Q: the fact is recovery system are a great way for repair shops to justify the high prices they charge. i am no longer a mechanic as i have moved on to a cleaner career. but living in florida i have charged thousands of systems without a recover unit. and a recover unit will not tell you where the leak is. it will not tell you if you have a bad compressor...clogged filter..or if the fan for the condenser is working. you need to know the workings of a a/c system and how to check those thing. this is the real world and sometime things get done differently then they do in a lab. i am not saying that anybody should charge there system. but to say you need a recovery system is just ridiculous. why not. i have done this many time before with no problems. you dont have a site glass to tell you when its full but if you use your other sense sight hearing and touch you can tell when it full. you just have to use common sense. rick sigh.. no rick its not that simple..if its that simple...get started. go ahead..start charging her up.. you asked a question and you got the correct answer not one time but twice. we hear things like this every freaking day. a sight glass does not tell you when its full. fact. you cant not use your other senses to tell when its charged. fact...unless you consider sight...meaning you are looking at the scale that tells you when you have added enough or you have added enough cans to exactly equal the factory charge and thats damn hard since its rare you can hit it dead on with a 12oz can. more things than low charge can create a no cool condition. overcharge for example. tev not working correctly. blower not up to speed...blend doors not open or closed correctly...clogged filters...bad compressor.. and*if* if is low where is the leak head pressures are ok right the fan for the condensors working like it needs to head pressures tell you this and much more. again...a sight glass on a 134a system is useless. its also useless contrary to popular non trained belief on a stationary system. ambient temps can make a system appear to be full when its not even close and they can also make a system look low when its overcharged. depending on the metering device you may or may not see bubbles and on some you must have a slight bubbling at say...80 to 90f ambients or its overcharged. its real simple... recover vac weigh and recharge. come to think of it...the sight glass on my r12 units is totally useless now too...since with r416a you only use 80% of the factory charge..its a blend and the glide rates are different..you should see that sucker bubble...but yet it cools as good as r12..amazing isnt it no..its not rocket science...i hear that one every day too..normally as i am writing the bill out for joe billybobs screw up but it is thermal dynamics fluid dynamics and physics. someone much smarter than you and i has determined the proper charge in advance very handy on systems like automotive that run in a multitude of enviroments unlike home systems that require about 2 hours of tune time to properly get it right..you can charge a vehicle in minutes not hours. there is no superheat or subcool to check...just recover the charge check the weight if its not factory levels of charge find the leak repair vac and recharge to factory weight. just because you are used to charging the system wrong and dont have the tools and knowledge to do it right dont hate those of us that do. this was not a flame just cold hard facts...no pun intended. yep recover repair evacuate charge to proper level ya cant just throw a can er two in her shes gettin warm anymore. sight glasss for a 134a system is pointless.. if you think its low its recover and recharge to factory levels... hi guys i traded off my 93 gcaravan for a 01 durango last year. my caravan had a sight glass for the freon level which proved to be very helpful and effective. i looked all over my durango and cant seem to find one. have i overlooked it i was hoping dodge would have continued the nice feature. james1549 .
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From : gary glaenzer
ok..rick... first i dont run a repair shop...i am out of the mvac area..but its the law that you must recover...period. i am required by law to have a recovery machine as is every damn ac repair shop. and it must be listed with the epa and certified. i also have to have a drum for every refrigerant i deal with....r12 mp39 416a nu22 r22 134a...yes...134a... in the world i live in we dont hack our stuff in but do it right. i guess things down your way are different.... that explains why there are so few real floridians eh you hacks done run em out. the fact is recovery system are a great way for repair shops to justify the high prices they charge. bullshit...lie #1. its the law....the high prices are charged due to normal biz costs associated with a real licenced shop. we cant help it if you dont know what insurance is. i am no longer a mechanic thank god...you would be paying epa fines out the ass with your thinking.. as i have moved on to a cleaner career. but living in florida i have charged thousands of systems without a recover unit. i have too...and had you not tried to take it out of context a recovery unit is not always needed but when the system is partially charged you must by law recover the charge..
From : cbhvac
not...venting is illegal. and a recover unit will not tell you where the leak is. no..it sure as hell wont skippy...your hg10 or cps or inficon will....wait...lemmie guess...you didnt have those either.. it will not tell you if you have a bad compressor...clogged filter..or if the fan for the condenser is working no shit skippy. .. you need to know the workings of a a/c system and how to check those thing. this is the real world and sometime things get done differently then they do in a lab. i am not saying that anybody should charge there system. but to say you need a recovery system is just ridiculous. nah...saying it is the law is fact. saying you sound like a hack is a fact...and saying that you prob cant charge a system correctly to work at 100% in the real world is fact. why not. i have done this many time before with no problems. you dont have a site glass to tell you when its full but if you use your other sense sight hearing and touch you can tell when it full. you just have to use common sense. rick sigh.. no rick its not that simple..if its that simple...get started. go ahead..start charging her up.. you asked a question and you got the correct answer not one time but twice. we hear things like this every freaking day. a sight glass does not tell you when its full. fact. you cant not use your other senses to tell when its charged. fact...unless you consider sight...meaning you are looking at the scale that tells you when you have added enough or you have added enough cans to exactly equal the factory charge and thats damn hard since its rare you can hit it dead on with a 12oz can. more things than low charge can create a no cool condition. overcharge for example. tev not working correctly. blower not up to speed...blend doors not open or closed correctly...clogged filters...bad compressor.. and*if* if is low where is the leak head pressures are ok right the fan for the condensors working like it needs to head pressures tell you this and much more. again...a sight glass on a 134a system is useless. its also useless contrary to popular non trained belief on a stationary system. ambient temps can make a system appear to be full when its not even close and they can also make a system look low when its overcharged. depending on the metering device you may or may not see bubbles and on some you must have a slight bubbling at say...80 to 90f ambients or its overcharged. its real simple... recover vac weigh and recharge. come to think of it...the sight glass on my r12 units is totally useless now too...since with r416a you only use 80% of the factory charge..its a blend and the glide rates are different..you should see that sucker bubble...but yet it cools as good as r12..amazing isnt it no..its not rocket science...i hear that one every day too..normally as i am writing the bill out for joe billybobs screw up but it is thermal dynamics fluid dynamics and physics. someone much smarter than you and i has determined the proper charge in advance very handy on systems like automotive that run in a multitude of enviroments unlike home systems that require about 2 hours of tune time to properly get it right..you can charge a vehicle in minutes not hours. there is no superheat or subcool to check...just recover the charge check the weight if its not factory levels of charge find the leak repair vac and recharge to factory weight. just because you are used to charging the system wrong and dont have the tools and knowledge to do it right dont hate those of us that do. this was not a flame just cold hard facts...no pun intended. yep recover repair evacuate charge to proper level ya cant just throw a can er two in her shes gettin warm anymore. sight glasss for a 134a system is pointless.. if you think its low its recover and recharge to factory levels... hi guys i traded off my 93 gcaravan for a 01 durango last year. my caravan had a sight glass for the freon level which proved to be very helpful and effective. i looked all over my durango and cant seem to find one. have i overlooked it i was hoping dodge would have continued the nice feature. james1549 . 222 263776 l7dsa.99306$h17.29540@sccrnsc02 about that lowering thing.........did you get the fuzzy dice for the rear-view mirror coon-tail for the antenna curb feelers are you happy that you have taken a decent vehicle and turned it a piece of shit do you enjoy pissing money away just curious has anyone had problem with burning paint on r/t dakotas when you run the 2 tail pipes out the back. i took off bumper and added panal to fit pipe ends .i have pipes ran out back and made it specially for looks. i lowered the truck to trick out but the pipes banged at times so i went to muffler shop and made reajustments but now i h
From : budd cochran
budd....you know how stupid one has to be to get kicked from aol i think we found the poster child for aol stupidity.. lol but seriously...this aint alt.i.wish.i.bought.a.ford. aol kicked them off maybe budd cbhvac wrote lol..nope...got a fleet of fords...funny for a guy that has family with chrysler.. actually i find it to the point of laughter with tears that you posted this drivel in a dodge group. no one cares here what you do..what you spend your money on...or what you think of the product. while there are some that will try to make you feel all warm and fuzy about your post the majorty will not.. jesus..why are all the fucking morons from comcast you must be crying because you bought a dodge.... on sat 19 jul 2003 090741 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote wah... see the tear customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .
From : cbhvac
thats p. t. barnum. b.t. was his moronic half brother. budd cbhvac wrote riced out rides need to burn... aint a dac out there thats worth a 6 grand paint job.. bt barnum said it best... has anyone had problem with burning paint on r/t dakotas when you run the 2 tail pipes out the back. i took off bumper and added panal to fit pipe ends .i have pipes ran out back and made it specially for looks. i lowered the truck to trick out but the pipes banged at times so i went to muffler shop and made reajustments but now i have noticed a slight burning in my new 6000 paint job just above the pipe. ahhhh. maybe i will need to reroute the pipes bigger pipes to lessen heat any suggestions thanks and go dakotas!durb-- .
From : manny
yup..my bad...too early in da mornin.. thats p. t. barnum. b.t. was his moronic half brother. budd cbhvac wrote riced out rides need to burn... aint a dac out there thats worth a 6 grand paint job.. bt barnum said it best... has anyone had problem with burning paint on r/t dakotas when you run the 2 tail pipes out the back. i took off bumper and added panal to fit pipe ends .i have pipes ran out back and made it specially for looks. i lowered the truck to trick out but the pipes banged at times so i went to muffler shop and made reajustments but now i have noticed a slight burning in my new 6000 paint job just above the pipe. ahhhh. maybe i will need to reroute the pipes bigger pipes to lessen heat any suggestions thanks and go dakotas!durb-- .
From : cbhvac
nosey i am not disputing the fact that synthetic oil has some superior properties vis a vis conventional oil. my point is do these superior properties provide any benefit to the average consumer my position is that unless you operate your vehicle under some very specific conditions synthetics are not a cost effective alternative to conventional oils. you can certainly and correctly! point out that the pour point is lower for synthetics the resistance to shear is superior with synthetics etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum however unless your application your specific use can take advantage of these superior characteristics their presence in the product is meaningless and more costly! to you. being an electrical engineer i will offer you this analogy. you have a circuit of defined voltage and ampacity. you will never intendknowingly or unknowingly to exceed these well defined parameters. based upon this information you select the proper wire gauge and insulation for the circuit. for the sake of this discussion you select a14 awg conductor with pvc insulation. this wire gauge is sufficient for the intended current and the insulation is sufficient for the environment. now i could have selected 12 awg with a ptfe insulator. the 12 awg has superior ampacity and the ptfe insulator can handle a higher ambient temperature along with a more corrosive environment. does that mean its better for some applications yes... for my application no! therefore to install this wire would a. supply me with no tangible benefit and b. prove to be more costly. the same analogy can be carried over to the argument of conventional vs. synthetic oils. hope this clarifies my position. mike joe yer wastin yer time! ive been saying in this ng for years that synthetic starts off life as crude just like dino oil but no one seems to listen... sigh.... my preference of course is to call dino conventional oil and synthetic synthetic but no one seems to want to adopt my convention. 8-------------------------------------------- not meant to be an amsoil plug but it explains it well. plagiarized from http//www.paonline.com/amsdill/syntheticoil/ have you ever wondered why synthetic oil is more expensive than petroleum oil and if its worth it well ive done some research and this is what i came up with. the reason it is more expensive is because of how it is made. the name synthetic means that it is chemically synthesized from different hydrocarbons. they start with a hydrocarbon then derive the gas ethylene and then chemically synthesize that into the base stock for synthetic oil polyalphaolefin or pao. premium additives also add to the cost and are beneficial for reducing friction resisting oxidation and thermal breakdown and eliminating sludge and varnish formation. so what does all that mean to you because the oil is synthesized from the same molecule the molecules of the base stock of synthetic oil are of all the same size and there is no impurity. this causes the synthetic oil to be more stable and will enable it do a better job of lubrication. so when you heat the synthetic oil it is less volatile or when you freeze the oil it will pour when petroleum oil is solid. also over extended use the synthetic oil will retain its same lubricating quality longer. in contrast petroleum oils molecules are of different sizes and shapes and some of the molecules are undesirable. i hate to point out the obvious but they do pump it out of the ground. refining will remove most but not all of the impurities. the oils viscosity and lubricating quality will change overtime because the smaller molecules will burn off. this process will also cause acids and sludge to form in the oil. i have tried oil additives and found little benefit from them. especially when compared to the tangible and tested benefits of amsoil synthetic oil. ill let you make up your own mind on this topic but please check out this link from the federal trade commission. federal trade commission .
From : gary glaenzer
what about the 5-lug wheels on the dodge 1500 what are you talking about i see work trucks with 20 22 24 inch wheels all the time! we have a nice freightliner at work with 22 wheels. ;- good point... okay how about we clarify that to 20 wheels with 6 lugs dont belong on a real truck well hell... 6 lugs in general dont belong on a real truck but again well allow the violation for the 1/2 ton crowd provided the sidewall of the tire is at least 70% of its width .
From : jerry
rick rambled on about something in wmnsa.33838$k85.1565022@twister.tampabay.rr.com sure its the law that you recover if you have to do a repair. but the law also say that you can add refrigerant to top off a system. the law is there for a reason. ever stop to think about that for a bit but we are not talking about a shop we are talking about an individual wanting to top off his system. toping off a system in not a hack. not if done in accordance to the rules aka the law. the law iirc doesnt specify between a person or a shop. however in order to get the right refrigerant dont you need a license and as far a real floridians go their are plenty of them. most of them stay here and never leave. it just happens to be such a great place that people move here more then they do to any other state. been there liked to visit but i wouldnt want to live there. however thats persona preference. g i just hope no on comes to the group and ask about putting oil in their engine. if they do i am sure you will tell them that you cant top it off the oil. you will tell them that they have to drain it and replace it with the factory specified amount because there is no way to get the correct amount of oil in the engine with out doing it that way. apples and oranges. besides engine oil is not considered to be a cfc by the epa. but you just keep everything secret and dont every let any one know that they can do anything for their self. always make everything sound scary and too hard to do for the average guy. that way you can keep the doors to you little business open. if you really knew the fellow youre flaming you will understand that hes one of the more helpful hvac guys around these parts. oh and i am sure us floridians know a little more about air conditioning then most seeing how its above 80 degrees here 10 months out of the year. so hack that. rick by that logic redmond wa should know more about computers and detriot know more about cars. too bad it doesnt work that way in the real world... noi .