TB vs TB Spacer?

From : bob

Q: no they are not the same thing. the tb or throttle body controls the amount of air entering the intake manifold. a tb spacer fits between the throttle body and the manifold with the idea of smoothing out the airflow into the intake for better fuel atomization and allowing more air to get into the cylinders. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving would like to get a little more out of my 90 model 3.9 dak. and the most common suggestion that i see on the web is change out the tb to either an improved v6 or a v8. when i start shopping around ebay etc. i see a lot of tb spacers but no tbs. they are not the same thing are they what difference thanks .

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From : tbone

wrong what you have measured is the force being applied by the water to make the ice weightless. fine. why arent you weightless when standing on your bathroom scale realtive to the ground i am but not to the scale. i mean all youre really measuring is the force being applied by the scale to hold you up right correct which happens to be my weight. afer all isnt that what weight really is. if i were to go to the moon i would only weigh 1/6th as much but would still have the same mass so like i said before this all got bent out of shape weight and mass are not the same thing. and when you grab that 5lb. dumbell insert your own joke here people and the scale goes up by 5lbs. is that because the dumbell weighs 5lbs. or is that because the dumbell is weightless and youre just exerting 5lbs. of force to hold it up well really its the scale exerting 5 more lbs. of force to hold you and your dumbell up. lol actually just about all of that is true. the 5lb dumbbell does weigh 5 lbs and if you were to put it on the scale that is the reading that you would get unlike helium gas. now if i were to pick it up then i would have to exert 5 lbs of force to lift it up actually more than that until i got it at the height that i wanted it and the scale would show that as well. since i am exerting 5 lbs of force to maintain the dumbbell in position an equal and opposite force will be placed on me increasing my downward force weight by 5 lbs. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : steve

al im going to go take a look. but from a quick look it appears to be sealed. it has a bolt looking thing on the fan part but i dont think that comes of. one of the autoparts guys autozone or advanced said that he thought you might be able to just buy the motor. ill have to find out. you couldnt do this with the window regulator i bought before. you got the motor with it.. we will see. if the price of the fan is $200 i might check out a junkyard. if its $40 there i can replace it 5 times and still break even.. minus my time.. im going to head to the garage and tinker with the fan. ill see what happens.. could you see any way to get it apart youre going to replace it may as well see if its something like a broken wire bad connection or stuck brush. cant hurt to try. i would rap on it with a screwdriver first and see if it runs on the bench supply. and there may be a way to mount a junk yard fan off something else that will work. i did this on a jap car. the fan motor burnt up and i was able to fit a fan off something else. best $15.00 i ever spent and it works fine. .

From : tbone

tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message go back to the ice cube in the glass of water... exact same principle. tell me how the ice cube is weightless. the ice cube is weightless in the water as it is floating . the glass of water will weigh more because you have increased the mass contained within the glass. there is no magic here. weigh the glass of water insert the ice cube into the glass of water weigh the glass of water + ice cube then tell us the results.......................... i already said that the glass would weight more. and yet you claim that the ice cube is weightless yep and im still waiting for you to give me the measured weight of the ice cube while it is floating. jeez man i realize that you oare totally f*cking hopeless at percentages dont tell me that you cant subtract wither................ .

From : max dodge

steam is also lighter than air but its no different it has weight just like helium and just as air does. funny... a concept so simple i didnt think to question him on it till you brought it up. i wonder where he thinks atmospheric pressure comes from in the first place i mean - somethings gotta weigh something to generate that 14.7 pounds per square inch... .

From : tom lawrence

never because in the middle of a jump i am weightless even according to toms definition. thanks tom - absolutely. actually youre weightless from the apex of your jump to the moment you touch the ground again. why because you are accelerating at the rate of 1g. however your weight on the way up to your apex is actually greater than your resting weight because you are accelerating against gravity hence why the astronauts pull 4gs when lifting off from earth. however a blimp balloon etc. - floating in the atmosphere is not weightless because it is not accelerating at 1g. thats where you get confused. see... this is why i didnt want to start talking about acceleration of objects... it just gets you all confused to be absolutely correct we need to revise our formula on weight a little bit. weight is the product of mass times gravitational acceleration - the acceleration of the mass. a mass at rest will weight 1*its mass. a mass in freefall will weigh 0 because 1g-1g=0. a mass accelerating at -1g ie. moving away from the planet at 32ft/s2 will weigh 2*its mass. .

From : tbone

you cant ignore acceleration. thats what g is after all! i understand that... but what i dont want to get into is how a mass can actually be considered weightless- that is when its acceleration is exactly that of gravity ie. falling at 32ft/s2. i also dont want to get into the fact that an objects weight will increase if its accelerating in the opposite direction of gravity ie. the shuttle pulling 4+g during liftoff... astronauts weighing 700lbs.. the principles being discussed here are all with the mass at 1g. but see... now ya made me get into it! a ship would be pretty heavy yet it generally floats on water. not because its lighter than the water but because it weighs less than the volume of water it displaces. same for a hot air balloon. and the vast majority of us understand that concept. tbone will claim that the ship is weightless because its floating... the ice cube and water example is a bit more complicated since water has a rather unusual property it gets more dense as it cools like most stuff but then just as it approaches freezing it suddenly gets less dense! well yes - but its an easy example to comprehend and if one had a small kitchen scale one thats easily reproducable. the fact is that the ice is slightly less dense than the water therefore it floats but adding an ice cube to a glass of water sitting on that scale causes the scales reading to increase. simply amazing given how that ice cube is supposed to have no weight when its floating .

From : max dodge

go back to the ice cube in the glass of water... exact same principle. tell me how the ice cube is weightless. the ice cube is weightless in the water as it is floating . the glass of water will weigh more because you have increased the mass contained within the glass. there is no magic here. weigh the glass of water insert the ice cube into the glass of water weigh the glass of water + ice cube then tell us the results.......................... i already said that the glass would weight more. i guess that reading just isnt your thing. now weigh the ice cube while it is floating in the glass and tell us the results. uh just a guess but glass of water with ice - glass of water not rocket sience man! the ice still weighs the same. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

the boner wrote prove it. what is the density and atomic weight of steam atomic weight of steam.......................hahaha you stupid fuck atomic weight is the weight of an individual atom steam is water is a compound jesus mary and joseph.......please dont stop digging bone-head with every shovel-full you give us more ammunition............ .

From : christopher thompson

on sun 17 jul 2005 114759 gmt greg surratt glsurratt@verizon.net wrote the ford diesel is a navistar and has some problems since its introduction. the gm diesel is a joint venture with isuzu and is an aluminum headed design which can be problematic. the most important difference regardless of the design details is the main design feature. the dodge has a cummins inline six the others are a v8. and since the cummins is an inline 6 it has fewer moving parts read points of failure than either of the other two. greg also worth noting is the fact that the heavy road horses dont as a rule use v8 diesels. they all for the most part use the inline 6. ive been told that the v8s were tried but had cooling problems in the rear cylinders. that forced the engineers to up the waterpump flows which in turn led to increased galvanic corrision problems..... anyone check their coolant on the cummins is it an issue de ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-uncensored-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .

From : tom lawrence

the ford diesel is a navistar and has some problems since its introduction. the gm diesel is a joint venture with isuzu and is an aluminum headed design which can be problematic. the most important difference regardless of the design details is the main design feature. the dodge has a cummins inline six the others are a v8. and since the cummins is an inline 6 it has fewer moving parts read points of failure than either of the other two. greg .

From : max dodge

funny... a concept so simple i didnt think to question him on it till you brought it up. i wonder where he thinks atmospheric pressure comes from in the first place i mean - somethings gotta weigh something to generate that 14.7 pounds per square inch... he forgot one basic fact of physics... everything has weight. this basic fact is why man started wondering why birds could fly. there had to be a countering force..... -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. steam is also lighter than air but its no different it has weight just like helium and just as air does. funny... a concept so simple i didnt think to question him on it till you brought it up. i wonder where he thinks atmospheric pressure comes from in the first place i mean - somethings gotta weigh something to generate that 14.7 pounds per square inch... .

From : max dodge

lol i know ive been reading the posts i just wanted to see him try to apply his priciples to something a little more personal......like himself the point is that if you did not know the mass or weight of the aircraft at rest there would be no scale in the world that could give you the weight to calculate the mass while the plane is in level flight because while in level flight the plane has no weight. and here i thought it was because you could not get the scale to stick to the underside of an airplane going better than mach 1. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. tbone wrote of course it does. the farther you get away from the planet the lower the force of gravity acting on it is. then you can add to that the fact if it is actually flying there is a force being applied to it that is negating the force of gravity so in relation to the ground the airplane has no weight. now i realize that this is an abstract thought process which seems hard for most of you to understand but it still is what it is. the airplane is exerting a downword force equal to the airplanes weight onto the air that supports it. thats a concept that you dont seem to comprehend. actually if the aircraft is climbing the force being exerted upward is greater than the planes weight and i am fully aware of this. the point is that weight a measurement of the net downward force of some mass and if the forces pushing it back up is greater than the force pulling it down exactly how much weight do you have the point is that if you did not know the mass or weight of the aircraft at rest there would be no scale in the world that could give you the weight to calculate the mass while the plane is in level flight because while in level flight the plane has no weight. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tom lawrence

the ford diesel is a navistar and has some problems since its introduction. the gm diesel is a joint venture with isuzu and is an aluminum headed design which can be problematic. the most important difference regardless of the design details is the main design feature. the dodge has a cummins inline six the others are a v8. ford navistar v8 7th year of manufacture has had seal problems on the turbo and generally is not the leader of the pack in this race. not a terrible engine and is a reputable manufacturer. transmission is typical ford design which is to say more complex and more electronics than really needs to be. result is that it can be a bastard to fix if it fails. chevy isuzu designed v8 5year of manufacture aluminum heads which are a problem on gasoline engines are applied to the high compression world of diesel with mixed results. one thing is sure just as in the gasoline world the aluminum head on an iron block is a point of gasket failure and the added stress of high compression is no help. transmission is the much talked about allison but word is running around with some reliability that the alllison can fail at the 60k mark due to various reasons. i suspect this may be for reasons other than design but this allison isnt as good as the allison reputation from what im hearing. dodge cummins isbe with more than 20 years of manufacture starting with the b5.9 then bta 5.9 then isb and now isbe engine design is from a pioneering manufacturer that makes only diesel engines. design has had 20+ years of evolution. inline six is design type that is proven to make the most torque from the smallest displacement. engine is heavy in all respects and has a longer life expectancy to first major overhaul than the others. trans is the proven 48re which has 20 years of manufacture on the od unit plus 20 more for the main transmission. overall if you plan on towing a lot the dodge is the one to get. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. i am trying to decide which truck to go with and was hopeing i could get some advice from the group. are there any advantages or disadvantages to any of the diesel engines offered by the different mnufacturers .

From : tbone

the ice cube is weightless in the water as it is floating . the glass of water will weigh more because you have increased the mass contained within the glass. there is no magic here. you really need to think outside of the box every now and then. outside the box is one thing outside the laws of physics is quite another. its not a matter of being outside of the laws of physics it is simply a matter of the definition of weight. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

never because in the middle of a jump i am weightless even according to toms definition. thanks tom - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ok ive gotta bite and when was the last time you weighed yourself in the middle of a jump or when running tbone wrote of course it does. the farther you get away from the planet the lower the force of gravity acting on it is. then you can add to that the fact if it is actually flying there is a force being applied to it that is negating the force of gravity so in relation to the ground the airplane has no weight. now i realize that this is an abstract thought process which seems hard for most of you to understand but it still is what it is. the airplane is exerting a downword force equal to the airplanes weight onto the air that supports it. thats a concept that you dont seem to comprehend. actually if the aircraft is climbing the force being exerted upward is greater than the planes weight and i am fully aware of this. the point is that weight a measurement of the net downward force of some mass and if the forces pushing it back up is greater than the force pulling it down exactly how much weight do you have the point is that if you did not know the mass or weight of the aircraft at rest there would be no scale in the world that could give you the weight to calculate the mass while the plane is in level flight because while in level flight the plane has no weight. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : stephen harding

the point is that if you did not know the mass or weight of the aircraft at rest there would be no scale in the world that could give you the weight to calculate the mass while the plane is in level flight because while in level flight the plane has no weight. and here i thought it was because you could not get the scale to stick to the underside of an airplane going better than mach 1. well feel free to give it a try and let me know the results - btw if you have to make the scale stick to the aircraft... -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

well i fixed an overheating problem with a new thermostat!yaaa! truck started great int he morning but as soon as it warmed up it decided it did not want to start or so i thought. if i crank the starter and hold it it will eventually fire up. it does bang and ping irradically but then finally catches with a roar of the engine i popped the hood and heard an awful sound while it is idling crazily it is a load hissing noise that goes away once the engine calms down. there is also black smoke coming out of the tailpipe however it stops once the engine calms down and starts idling properly. i know this is long sorry. any suggestions on what to try pcv valve already checked -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-96-1500-hard-start-ftopict128663.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=627444 .

From : tom lawrence

its your truck you pay the insurance make them put new back on they work for you .you pay there salary .thats your right as the customer .

From : tom lawrence

well weve tried just about everything .its not a diesl sorry .we had acode 22 out the sytem .we traced the wire repaired it but still doesnt d any thing diff .still only runs when you hold key in runn position .stops when it is released.this is a 1992 dodge d50 ram 2.4 motor .

From : tbone

lol steam usually has liquid water in mechanical suspension what happens to water at 212f of course at 14.7 psi here... dont want you getting carried away it heavier than air. put liquid helium on any scale under normal atmospheric conditions and it will have weight. put helium gas on that scale under the same conditions and it will show nothing at all. you seem to be caught up in the fact that if you cant measure it it has no weight. thats false. again weight is a measure of gravity acting upon a mass. if the mass doesnt change and gravity is constant it was last i checked.... hang on.... thunk... yep constant then the weight doesnt change. just because the material in question wont hold still on a scale doesnt actually mean its weightless. no you didnt because water vapor can be and is part of the atmosphere and helium is not. so now gravity only acts on those gases that are part of the atmosphere youre saying gravity is prejudiced .

From : tbone

drive a dodge and be happy for ever!! - i am trying to decide which truck to go with and was hopeing i could get some advice from the group. are there any advantages or disadvantages to any of the diesel engines offered by the different mnufacturers .

From : tbone

are you talking in a vacuum or under normal atmospheric conditions with air. either way it proves my initial point to dj before it became the distorted mess it now is which mass and weight are not the same thing. no - it proves you were wrong. you claimed it would have no weight remember ill bet that you will not be able to measure it. it can be measured... rather easily. why because it has mass. therefore it weighs something. no it has mass but that doesnt mean that it has weight in a given enviornment. if you were to move an object to a place between the earth and the moon where the gravitational pull between the two bodies was equal what would your mass that always has weight weigh how about nothing. did the mass drop to zero in this location nope. sorry tom but you are wrong. in a vacuum at 1 atmosphere or at 10000psi - doesnt matter. but we do not live in a vacuum tom. this planet has an atmosphere and its mass and density must be taken into account. that mass of helium not volume remember.. weighs 11.25lbs. here on earth. in a vacuum yea but we dont live in a vacuum. how much does it weigh out in the open as both a liquid and a gass when contained in an environment such that its density is greater than the air around it it stays on the ground. yes because then it has a weight positive downward force. if allowed to expand such that its density is less than the air around it it floats upward. yes again because its downward force weight is removed. this has nothing to do with weight wrong it has everything to do with weight because weight is not mass. weight is the measurable net downward force and if this force cannot be measured in a given enviornment then it has no weight. because it weighs the same because the mass is constant and gravity is a constant. but mass and gravity are not the only players. you do know that right you must because you keep talking vacuum for the weight of helium. the fact that an object is bouyant does not mean it is weightless. if it is buoyant then the downward force of gravity has been matched with an equal and opposite force. remember that vector addition you were talking about. if the force is cancelled out then the weight for that environment must be zero but hey feel free to weigh a buoyant object while in its still in its buoyant state and let me know what it is. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone wrote lol you just dont understand what weight is do you lol ya i and most others here do. you dont. you think weight is strictly a relation to air. uh no. i said that weight is a downward force and if the air eliminates that force then it doesnt have any weight. you really need to stop confusing weight and mass or weight and atomic weight. um tom i work in this very exact field. i write software for the aerospace industry for measuring mass and force. to compute an items known mass to force weight you figure in the local gravity as well as local bouyancy for the environment the object is placed in be it air water or whatever. and exactly what part does buoyancy have in your equation think about it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tom lawrence

on thu 14 jul 2005 012604 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote acid. a small amount dripped onto a very small diameter vacuum line that runs under the battery and connects to a silver can. cruise control. the vacuum line provides well vacuum that is regulated by a solenoid valve to the canister. the canister via a diaphragm operates the throttle cable and modulates the throttle. with a hole in that vacuum line youll find that your cruise control doesnt work your defroster may flip down to the floor vents on hard acceleration and your 4x4 if applicable may not want to engage. sounds like the making of a pretty good country western song tom.. *g* nah...he didnt say nothin about mama or trains or goin to prison... ; cricket mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : max dodge

well if you cant understand it than read it better it stops running when the key is releaed back in the run position the parts are all new its got all kinds of voltage have check that already new ignituion switch all so .

From : max dodge

roy wrote heres the deal about a year ago my wife sold he 2k eldo to her sister. about 5k after the transaction the car started to use oil. about 1&1/2 quarts every 1500 miles service manager at the local caddy place claims that is acceptable im not buying it. to take it a bit further thats 3 quarts gone between oil changes.car has a extended warranty but runs out in about 6 months. anybody know somebody who works at caddy service that might be able to get there hands on one of those memos or tsbs its my feeling that there is a known problem with the northstar and caddy is trying to wait her out. tia roy sumpin like this http//www.alldata.com/tsb/general-motors/index-issue.html .

From : miles

exactly. and helium has an atomic weight as well. so no matter how ya cut it helium isnt weightless like you claim.. lol is there a reason why consistantly make an ass out of yourself. atomic weight is not the same thing as actual weight you do know that dont you im well aware that its different but you claim its weightless. well if it has an atomic weight then it has one form of weight. and if it has mass it has another sort of weight. but youve claimed it has no weight. so i figured id better cover all bases here and see if you were talking atomic weight not actual weight. apparently not. so you are saying that helium has no actual weight. and thats wrong. i know hte answer but you obviously dont considering that you think helium has no weight in its gaseous state. if you knew the answer you would have said it. iow you dont have a clue. helium has no weight in its uncompressed gaseous state on this planet because the density of the air that makes up our atmosphere applies more upward force to the gas than gravity can supply to pull it down. since weight is a net force in a downward direction if the forces going the other way are stronger you simply have no actual weight. um i guess you havent figured out that im asking stupid questions to see how stupid an answer you will give. see you think gaseous helium is weightless and thats just not true. you cant convince me because 90% of the time you are wrong. helium is weightless on this planet because the forces pushing it away from the surface are greater than gravity trying to pull it back. weight is a measurement of force toward the planet not the objects mass. there are no forces pushing it farther from the surface of the planet. its very simple something heavier is displacing it because that heavier gas is being pulled by gravity just like helium is. same theory makes a ship float on water. the ship is less dense than the water by virtue of the fact that its full of air so it floats on the water. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. wait..... does hydrogen weigh anything it has less density than helium so you figure it out. i know but do you since i just said it i guess that i do. how about neon nope neon is heavier atomic weight than both nitrogen and oxygen which make up around 99% of our atmosphere exactly. and helium has an atomic weight as well. so no matter how ya cut it helium isnt weightless like you claim.. lol is there a reason why consistantly make an ass out of yourself. atomic weight is not the same thing as actual weight you do know that dont you if lead were in a gaseous state would it be weightless.... i doubt it. why dont you try it and find out i know hte answer but you obviously dont considering that you think helium has no weight in its gaseous state. if you knew the answer you would have said it. iow you dont have a clue. helium has no weight in its uncompressed gaseous state on this planet because the density of the air that makes up our atmosphere applies more upward force to the gas than gravity can supply to pull it down. since weight is a net force in a downward direction if the forces going the other way are stronger you simply have no actual weight. wow....... i just cant do this anymore..... what do you mean anymore. like you ever could. youre right i never could convince you of anything thatmade sense youve always stuck to the crap you believe like weightless helium. you cant convince me because 90% of the time you are wrong. helium is weightless on this planet because the forces pushing it away from the surface are greater than gravity trying to pull it back. weight is a measurement of force toward the planet not the objects mass. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

big al nospamsal1@qwest.net wrote 1992 dodge d50 ram 2.4 motor. has new coil/transtior for coil/mfi relay ecm rebuilt starter relay plus and wires cap /rotor/timing belt/head was warp has been shaved new gaskets.rebult dist /new ignition switch. rebult alternator.the problem is you turn key in start postion well start but you have to hard it in the start postion when released to run stops running so does anyone have and answer on what the problem is should could use help on this one the problem is in the ignition switch or the wiring. in the start position full battery voltage is fed to the ignition system for a hotter spark while cranking. after you release the key to the run position the voltage goes thru a resistor. dont really know the wiring of your vehicle but thats how it works. sometimes the full voltage is sent from the starter solenoid. try to get your hands on a manual and see. in your case the full voltage is there but the normal run voltage is not. al big al you win the award for best understanding of a post that was not at all understandable. ah shucks it was nothing. email me off the group and ill tell you where to send the award should i try to explain my reply better i re-read it and it makes sense to me but then again i wrote it or do you want me to re-post his question in easier to understand terms al .

From : tbone

below is a direct quote from dc tsb 21-04-00 referring to the 96-99 46re transmission the vehicle operator may experience slower than normal vehicle accelerations because the transmission may have temporarily entered its third gear limp-in mode as a result of the dtc. the limp- in mode may last until the vehicle owner cycles the ignition key. the technician may not detect a problem with the automatic transmission during a diagnostic test or test drive. the quotation marks surrounding limp-in are dcs not mine; making it rather obvious that the a500 /518 /618 family does indeed go into a limp mode under certain circumstances. got a problem with that talk to dc. first off a 97 2500 would have a 47re if a v-8 and a 48re if a v-10 so this tsb does not apply to the vehicle in question au contraire!! the tsb specifically refers to all res. again a direct quote from the tsb this information applies to vehicles equipped with a re series automatic transmission built before december 18 1998 mdh 1218xx the original post didnt specify an engine size but only the diesel and v-10 had the 47re in 97 the 48re came along much later. second mopars use of quotation marks indicates that this is a non-factory-programmed event kind of like windows 98 freezing up if it automatically reverts to a certain gear when an error occurs it is a factory-programmed event just like windows 98 flashing a blue screen. if it were a factory programed mode limp mode would be called limp mode not limp-in picky picky. i suppose it depends on the definition of limp. .

From : tbone

please show me exactly where i said that the mass ever changes. oh thats right you cant! maybe someday you will figure out that very complex equation. lol right here because weight is a measurment of a force not a volume or mass. since weight = mass x acceleration the only way you can have no weight is for either mass or acceleration or both to equal zero since you were talking about helium having no weight we see that you are comparing it to other things which have weight therefore acceleration gravity is still present therefore acceleration does not equal zero so for mass x acceleration to equal zero mass must be zero now i know this is heavy math/logic for somebody that doesnt understand percentages but read it real slow and maybe it will sink in .

From : tbone

on wed 13 jul 2005 200418 -0700 miles nospam@noemail.com wrote transurgeon wrote try weighing a container with a hard vacuum inside then weighing it when its filled with helium braniac thats pretty funny! if something is lighter than air then it weighs nothing! i never knew that! i sorta kinda understand tbones logic although its rather bizzare twisted and confusing. maybe tbone lives in bizzarro world who knows... something is being left out here. the assertion that once a lighter than air aircraft has enough differential in density to become bouyant in our atmosphere that it becomes weightless ignores the fact the airship is indeed still pushing down on the atmosphere with the same force it was pushing down on terra firma as it sat before being filled with gas. the idea that once something is supported by external forces it is rendered weightless is just plain silly. by this reasoning i should be able to pick up a bowling ball hold it above the ground and render it weightless. after all it is truly being supported by a force acting in direct oppositoin to gravity. the bowling ball now weighs nothing but i now weigh 16 lbs more than i did prior to lofting the ball. the same thing holds true for the hot air balloon. the atmosphere is supporting the weight of the balloon but suddenly that very atmosphere now weighs more than it did before it took on the load of supporting the balloon. the theory of equal and opposite reactions would dictate if the air is pushing upwards on the balloon it must be pushing down on the surface of the earth with exactly the same amount of force. dj .

From : tbone

why dont you perform this test and let me know what the difference in the weight is. i bet that you will not be able to measure it. now how much does a 1000 cubic feet of uncompressed helium weigh in lets say ounces by uncompressed im assuming you mean at normal atmospheric pressure and temperature... 11 pounds 4 ounces. a liter of helium at scf temperature/pressure weighs .1785g. you can do the math... are you talking in a vacuum or under normal atmospheric conditions with air. either way it proves my initial point to dj before it became the distorted mess it now is which mass and weight are not the same thing. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

i made a mistake. go to www.dodgetrucks.org before you click on specific article about brakes. first click on forums. second scroll down to faq & how to forums third scroll down to and click on how to articles fourth scroll down to article replacement of the brake pads and rotors hope this helps. randy go to www.dodgetrucks.org you may have to join by entering a user name and password. click on forums. scroll down to the faq ..... then scroll down some more to the titled article replacement of brake pads and rotors. i hope this will help. there is a lot of good info at this site. randy i know i am no mech. i need a little help as to what to do to replace the front brakes on my 99 ram 4x4. and please dont suggest a shop thanks!!!! .

From : tom lawrence

go to www.dodgetrucks.org you may have to join by entering a user name and password. click on forums. scroll down to the faq ..... then scroll down some more to the titled article replacement of brake pads and rotors. i hope this will help. there is a lot of good info at this site. randy i know i am no mech. i need a little help as to what to do to replace the front brakes on my 99 ram 4x4. and please dont suggest a shop thanks!!!! .

From : miles

how far away does one have to get from earth to be effectively weightless space shuttle flies at about 120 miles or so up. that far enough nope but at that orbital distance the vehicle is effectively falling toward earth in a curve ellipse that never reaches earth; or you could say that centrifugal force balances gravity either way the shuttle and everything in it is effectively weightless it is however not massless as bone-head would have us believe please show me exactly where i said that the mass ever changes. oh thats right you cant! maybe someday you will figure out that very complex equation. lol -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

why dont you perform this test and let me know what the difference in the weight is. i bet that you will not be able to measure it. now how much does a 1000 cubic feet of uncompressed helium weigh in lets say ounces by uncompressed im assuming you mean at normal atmospheric pressure and temperature... 11 pounds 4 ounces. a liter of helium at scf temperature/pressure weighs ..1785g. you can do the math... .

From : tbone

tbone wrote i dont recall starting off calling any of you names on my first response. now thats funny. qualifying when you call people names. ya thats nice of you to wait till your 2nd response before calling someone names! lol .

From : transurgeon

tbone wrote because miles it is. weight is a relative force and like any force it can be canceled out by other forces and / or used up performing some action. no tom. take a bottle and pull a vacuum on it. place the bottle inside a vacuum chamber on top of a scale and weigh it. now fill the bottle with helium and while still in the vacuum chamber weigh it again. it now weighs more...hmm...helium has weight! weight is not definded as a relation to the weight of air. you are wrong! but very funny that you define it this way!! well actually it does but not to any statistical significance and if you think that the shuttle weighs the same 120 miles out that it does sitting on the launch pad nope its slightly less computed as a ratio from the distance to the center of the earth. we are about 4000 miles from the center. the shuttle is about 4120 miles from the center. now tom can you explain to us all why astronauts float around in the shuttle is it because gravity is so weak at 120 miles up .

From : dj

thats really strange...........the hydraulics of the manual lever should over-ride the governor hydraulics in 1 no it wont shift into 1st at all. 2nd and 3rd seem to be fine. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote nope but this particular vehicle appears to be a pos and the fault appears to be that of dc not the customer. you nor i know what the cause of the problems are so to make that assumption is absurd. not at all. the problems indicated are not easily caused by the customer with the exception of high centering the truck as max suggested and the fact that dc fixed them indicates that they were not caused by the customer. problems do occur with any make or model. and i never said anything different. my concern is the frequency of occurrence of problems with this particular vehicle which is simply not either normal or acceptable. what makes this different than many others is dc resolved them. no it simply indicates that dc knows that these problems are not the customers fault but feel free to give me a list of current auto manufacturers that routinely ignore warranty issues. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

on tue 12 jul 2005 005254 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote tbone wrote i didnt say that but there has to be a limit on the number of failures over a given period of time and this seems to be a bit excessive. you base dc reliability on 1 vehicle too funny. nope but this particular vehicle appears to be a pos and the fault appears to be that of dc not the customer. geez tom. i know you like to carry these discussions to incredibly boring and trivial lengths but it gets old. and yet you keep reading it. every company has lemens including cars boats trains etc. maybe this is one maybe it isnt. you have no clue. sure i do if it really had this many problems and they kept fixing it i would call it a lemon. you havent put your sluthy mechanical skills to the first hand test with it. you are listnening to one guy bitch and believing what he says. maybe he caused it maybe he didnt. usually people who cause the damage and get it fixed for free dont complain the way this asshole is. they may call the truck weak but not a l

From : tom lawrence

lol do you even know what a compression ration is here is a hint it is the change in cylinder volume between bottom and top dead center and has nothing to do with the amount of air in the cylinder. but ill assume that the engines that you know about are the same as the ones ive actually fixed built torn down etc and that the voulume of the cylinder is the same on each and every cylinder and stroke. adding a blower or turbo does not change the compression ratio of an engine but it does drastically increase the volume of air pushed into the cylinders hence the recommended drop in compression ratio to a reasonable level on engines where they are used. sorry no. it increases the density of the air in the cylinder but again all cylinders have the same volume on each and every stroke. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. .

From : tbone

on thu 14 jul 2005 024402 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote so your current stance is that you can have weight without mass correct apparently you can have mass without weight too... as evidenced by the weightless helium gas that gravity doesnt act upon. my head is still spinning... we had weightless rope and frictionless pulleys back when taking physics. beekeep .

From : max dodge

progessive insurance policy does have it in the policy that they will only pay for aftermarket parts if they are available. the body shop manager told me this when i wanted an estimate. he wouldnt do the estimate because progessive sends out their own adjuster who writes up an estimate based on aftermarket parts. i think i may be looking for a new insurance company. this will be the first claim ive made in years and the very first claim with progessive. i guess there is a reason why their insurance cost less than the other companies i checked with. any advice on quality aftermarket bumpers will be appreciated. randy 03 ram 1500 slt hemi reg cab/short box 20 wheels scratched front bumper my sport truck randy e schaben wrote arhhggg!!!! i scratched up the front bumber on my 03 ram 1500. truck has the sport appearance package with color matched bumber with driving lights. cannot repair the lower part of the bumber lower spoiler; due to its texture the body shop cannot match it. insurance company wants to replace with aftermarket bumper. asking for recommendations or advise as to the best aftermarket bumper. or should i get one of those bumber covers like the ones ive seen in the styling concepts catalog any suggestions and/or opinions will be appreciated. who is your insurer read your policy. generally an insurance company must restore your vehicle to pre-accident condition which means using factory parts. in order for them not to your policy must state clearly that the use of non-factory parts can be done. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote i do get it what about you since we are surrounded by air if something is lighter than air then it has no downward force and therefore no weight. this is the difference between weight and mass maxi mass is what it is but weight can be infinitely variable. hell the farther away you get from the planet and depending on the object at hand the weight could first increase and then decrease to the point of being zero as you get beyond the gravitational pull of the planet. tbone where you are going wrong is your belief that the amount something weighs is its relation to the weight of air. how far away does one have to get from earth to be effectively weightless space shuttle flies at about 120 miles or so up. that far enough .

From : tbone

the link i provided. if the only way out of the atmosphere is up and weight is a force pushing it down pulling it down actually... but as usual why be precise it becomes clear that if helium does not stay in the atmosphere it must have no weight. untrue... as evidenced by garys example of weighing a bottle with a vacuum drawn on it vs. a bottle filled with helium. when full the bottle is heavier. amazing given that helium has no weight. why dont you perform this test and let me know what the difference in the weight is. i bet that you will not be able to measure it. now how much does a 1000 cubic feet of uncompressed helium weigh in lets say ounces but if that were all it was then the outer atmosphere would consist of helium and hydrogen and that is not the case. not only is helium so light that it rises to the top gravity has so little grip on it that anything at all can tear it away so for all intents and purposes it has no weight. gravity has little grip on it at that altitude because yes the gravitational force decreases the further you get from the planet. that doesnt mean its weightless. like i said how much does it weigh on the ground i am not saying that it has no mass but how much force does it put on the scale. please explain how matter can have mass but not have weight. given that gravity acts upon all matter i find this concept err... intriguing. because weight is a force and if other forces around it negate it it has no weight the only way to make something weightless is to allow gravity to act on it... ie. freefall. at any other time a mass will always have weight. incorrect. if it had weight it will fall to the ground without exception. even when an airplane flies its wings are supplying a force that negates the force of gravity and keeps the plane in the air iow makes it weightless. does it eliminate the mass of the plane of course not but remember weight is a measurement of force not mass. actually if that were true the moon would have a full atmosphere of its own but its gravitational force is simply not strong enough to hold any gas then explain how the moons surface has absorbed a large quantity of helium he3 to be specific. because the gas is the second most abundent in the universe and crashes into it from the solar winds. against the force of the solar winds so in reality it would simply float away no weight. nope- blown away by a force that acts upon the mass moreso than the moons gravity does. but weight is the force of gravity acting on the mass. if it blows away then the force weight was overcome by another force and simply no longer is relavent. no different than the person flying through the air propelled by the 200mph winds from a hurricane. are they weightless too yep. they still have the same mass that they always had but if they are flying through the air then they have no weight relative to the ground unless theyre falling at 9.8m/s they arent. 9.8m/s is a rate of acceleration and that will never happen as long as an atmosphere exists on the planet. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

against the force of the solar winds so in reality it would simply float away no weight. nope- blown away by a force that acts upon the mass moreso than the moons gravity does. no different than the person flying through the air propelled by the 200mph winds from a hurricane. are they weightless too unless theyre falling at 9.8m/s they arent. wait i thought that the solar winds were a largely magnetic or acted mostly on the earths magnetic field. as such it would have little effect on the helium unless of course the helium had iron filings in it. but then it would have weight and would fall back to earth and be useless in ballons...... or something like that...... -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. the link i provided. if the only way out of the atmosphere is up and weight is a force pushing it down pulling it down actually... but as usual why be precise it becomes clear that if helium does not stay in the atmosphere it must have no weight. untrue... as evidenced by garys example of weighing a bottle with a vacuum drawn on it vs. a bottle filled with helium. when full the bottle is heavier. amazing given that helium has no weight. but if that were all it was then the outer atmosphere would consist of helium and hydrogen and that is not the case. not only is helium so light that it rises to the top gravity has so little grip on it that anything at all can tear it away so for all intents and purposes it has no weight. gravity has little grip on it at that altitude because yes the gravitational force decreases the further you get from the planet. that doesnt mean its weightless. please explain how matter can have mass but not have weight. given that gravity acts upon all matter i find this concept err... intriguing. because weight is a force and if other forces around it negate it it has no weight the only way to make something weightless is to allow gravity to act on it... ie. freefall. at any other time a mass will always have weight. actually if that were true the moon would have a full atmosphere of its own but its gravitational force is simply not strong enough to hold any gas then explain how the moons surface has absorbed a large quantity of helium he3 to be specific. against the force of the solar winds so in reality it would simply float away no weight. nope- blown away by a force that acts upon the mass moreso than the moons gravity does. no different than the person flying through the air propelled by the 200mph winds from a hurricane. are they weightless too unless theyre falling at 9.8m/s they arent. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote i do get it what about you since we are surrounded by air if something is lighter than air then it has no downward force and therefore no weight. this is the difference between weight and mass maxi mass is what it is but weight can be infinitely variable. hell the farther away you get from the planet and depending on the object at hand the weight could first increase and then decrease to the point of being zero as you get beyond the gravitational pull of the planet. tbone where you are going wrong is your belief that the amount something weighs is its relation to the weight of air. because miles it is. weight is a relative force and like any force it can be canceled out by other forces and / or used up performing some action. in the case of lighter than air craft its weight is being used up displacing the air in the lower atmosphere so its weight is zero and because of that it floats. how far away does one have to get from earth to be effectively weightless space shuttle flies at about 120 miles or so up. that far enough do you really think that the pull of the earths gravity goes on forever well actually it does but not to any statistical significance and if you think that the shuttle weighs the same 120 miles out that it does sitting on the launch pad i have some beach front property not too far from your house that i think you might be interested in - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

steam isnt gravitationally bound to the earth either really got proof yup. you claimed that a gas that is lighter than air has no weight. thus steam which is lighter than air as proven by its rising through the air from what ever object produces it must also weigh nothing. since steam is water water must have no weight since it can rise above the air. at least according to your theory.......unless you are wrong -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. lol while true it still doesnt change the fact that helium has no weight. it does have mass and it also has an atomic weight but as far as actual weight goes it has n o n e. http//education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele002.html read the third paragraph where it says that helium is not gravitationally bound to the earth. why do you think that is steam isnt gravitationally bound to the earth either really got proof but water definitly weighs something and sticks pretty damn close to the earths surface if not laying directly on it. i bet a vesse

From : tom lawrence

well that might be true if steam always rises but that doesnt always happen and even when it does it usually doesnt go very high so it must be gravitationally bound to the earth after all just like the water it came from. but now that you mention it water vapor has mass but also has no measurable weight since it is floating throughout most of the atmosphere. ok so if water has no weight how exactly is it that it supports a 120000 ton aircraft carrier you might look up the theory/definition of bouyancy. wait..... dont do that youll only add to your own confusion. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. steam isnt gravitationally bound to the earth either really got proof yup. you claimed that a gas that is lighter than air has no weight. thus steam which is lighter than air as proven by its rising through the air from what ever object produces it must also weigh nothing. since steam is water water must have no weight since it can rise above the air. at least according to your theory.......unless you are wrong well that might be true if steam always rises but that doesnt always happen and even when it does it usually doesnt go very high so it must be gravitationally bound to the earth after all just like the water it came from. but now that you mention it water vapor has mass but also has no measurable weight since it is floating throughout most of the atmosphere. even lighter than air aircraft do not go up forever. once they get to a height where the air density is close to that in the aircrafts lift envelope that is as high as it goes but until it begins to descend it has no measurable weight. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

do you have 2nd and 3rd if so suspect problems with the front band servo vb governor or governor circuit. check the truck for codes. if you find one it should be for the governor. after that youll have to pull the pan check the front band for proper position as well as the front servo piston for proper orientation in the bore. after that is checking the vb and the governor for valve malfunction. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. driving down the highway today at about 70mph felt a bump and my tranny came out of od. now it appears i have no 1st gearand no od. ideas .

From : max dodge

mrs.nospam@gmail.com writes i have a 1999 5.2 2wd durango with 118600 miles. recently the check engine light came on and has stayed on. now i dont notice any change in driving. shop which gave the code said it could be 1 torque converter 2 front transmission oil pump 3 torque converter clutch solenoid or transmission a quick google search said this could just be a bad speed sensor. any ideas p0720 = output speed sensor circuit the light stayed on because once the code is detected it will remain latched unless the problem does not reoccur again within the next 50 starts in which case it will clear on its own. the code will remain stored but your ce light will go out. when they read the code for you did they offer to clear it for you if they had cleared it which they could have done quite easily then you would know if it comes back again that theres something needing to be looked at. at 118k miles likely something is needing to be looked at but the obd-ii scan tool cannot tell you exactly what the problem cause is it can only tell you that in this case at least something caused the output speed sensor to detect a fault. yes it could be a bad speed sensor. .

From : tbone

sorry tom but you are incorrect here and your vacuum description proves that. the volume of a cylinder is a dimensional measurement of space within the cylinder while the volume of a material whether liquid gas or solid is the amount of that material. within the space wrong. material is measured in weight or fluid increments. volume will always be the amount of space the material can fill not the amount of material. lol material is not always measured in weight and fluid increments are a volume measurment and you can get 100 oz of liquid in a 200 oz container and it is still sold or measured as 100 oz. the same goes for gas although gas is usually sold in a compressed or liquid form iow more cu in of gas than the cu in volume of the container. if i were to put 1 molecule of oxygen into a 20 cu in container it most definitely would not have a volume of 20 cu in. it would take up the same molecular amount of space that a single oxygen molecule always takes up it would just be in a 20 cu in space. thats terrific but we arent talking about one molecule were talking about millions. as such we are also talking about density. it doesnt matter. if the rule works for millions it also has to work for just one or the rule is invalid. whether a gas is at 2psi or 20psi if its in a 20cu.in.container its volume is 20cu.in. wrong. refrigerent is not sold by volume its sold by weight. it is also in a liquid form when sold lol and the container does have a volume measurment as well. welding gas is not sold by volume its sold by weight. liquids are not sold by volume they are sold by fluid measure. and a fluid measure is a volume of liquid genius. actually 1 oz = 1.7338714 ci so your argument is once again nothing but semantics. no unless the pressure was zero at sea level it would be x cu in of gas compressed or decompressed into a 20 cu in container. bullshit. try buying some compressed gas sometime. i have. it is either measure as just cu ft where it usually has a large number or by the size of the container along with the pressure. if it is in a liquid form it is sold by weight but then again that would not be a compressed gas now would it... -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

the link i provided. if the only way out of the atmosphere is up and weight is a force pushing it down pulling it down actually... but as usual why be precise it becomes clear that if helium does not stay in the atmosphere it must have no weight. untrue... as evidenced by garys example of weighing a bottle with a vacuum drawn on it vs. a bottle filled with helium. when full the bottle is heavier. amazing given that helium has no weight. but if that were all it was then the outer atmosphere would consist of helium and hydrogen and that is not the case. not only is helium so light that it rises to the top gravity has so little grip on it that anything at all can tear it away so for all intents and purposes it has no weight. gravity has little grip on it at that altitude because yes the gravitational force decreases the further you get from the planet. that doesnt mean its weightless. please explain how matter can have mass but not have weight. given that gravity acts upon all matter i find this concept err... intriguing. because weight is a force and if other forces around it negate it it has no weight the only way to make something weightless is to allow gravity to act on it... ie. freefall. at any other time a mass will always have weight. actually if that were true the moon would have a full atmosphere of its own but its gravitational force is simply not strong enough to hold any gas then explain how the moons surface has absorbed a large quantity of helium he3 to be specific. against the force of the solar winds so in reality it would simply float away no weight. nope- blown away by a force that acts upon the mass moreso than the moons gravity does. no different than the person flying through the air propelled by the 200mph winds from a hurricane. are they weightless too unless theyre falling at 9.8m/s they arent. .

From : max dodge

steam isnt gravitationally bound to the earth either really got proof yup. you claimed that a gas that is lighter than air has no weight. thus steam which is lighter than air as proven by its rising through the air from what ever object produces it must also weigh nothing. since steam is water water must have no weight since it can rise above the air. at least according to your theory.......unless you are wrong well that might be true if steam always rises but that doesnt always happen and even when it does it usually doesnt go very high so it must be gravitationally bound to the earth after all just like the water it came from. but now that you mention it water vapor has mass but also has no measurable weight since it is floating throughout most of the atmosphere. even lighter than air aircraft do not go up forever. once they get to a height where the air density is close to that in the aircrafts lift envelope that is as high as it goes but until it begins to descend it has no measurable weight. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

do you have reverse dodge had not changed trannys in a long time they have updated and obviously added the overdrive but that is basically a electronic switch. the band set up has not changed though. 1stlow and reverse are controled by the same band. so if 1stlow is out or slipping reverse will be also. you might have stretched or broke the low/reverse band.my 95 did basically the same thing and that was the cause. i actually replaced it with a band i had from a 78 dodge tranny. the trick was getting the right tools to remove the plastic switches w/o breaking them. just in comparison i also replaced the front diff. cause i had broken spider gears in my 95 with a diff. from a 74 w/same gear ratio. it worked fine just had to adjust for backlash. just a thought hope it helps ryan .

From : max dodge

so your current stance is that you can have weight without mass correct apparently you can have mass without weight too... as evidenced by the weightless helium gas that gravity doesnt act upon. my head is still spinning... .

From : max dodge

you really need to work on that comprehention here tom. i think that we can agree that weight is a force and to define it closer a downward force. it is also known that helium gas does not stay in the atmosphere as shown by the link i provided. if the only way out of the atmosphere is up and weight is a force pushing it down it becomes clear that if helium does not stay in the atmosphere it must have no weight. so...... um....... sorry...... im laughing to much.... cant think straight....... tell me again why steam has weight and helium doesnt wait..... does hydrogen weigh anything how about neon if lead were in a gaseous state would it be weightless.... wow....... i just cant do this anymore..... -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. it toward the earth it has no weight. helium does not have enough density or atomic weight for the force of gravity on this planet to hold it down so it has no weight here. im stupified here.... do you really believe that helium isnt dense enough for gravity to act on it huh holy shit! in the words of casey kasem... ponderous... fing ponderous.... you really need to work on that comprehention here tom. i think that we can agree that weight is a force and to define it closer a downward force. it is also known that helium gas does not stay in the atmosphere as shown by the link i provided. if the only way out of the atmosphere is up and weight is a force pushing it down it becomes clear that if helium does not stay in the atmosphere it must have no weight. helium doesnt posess any special anti-gravity properties tom... its just that the air around it is more dense and pushes the helium up... just like the oil in salad dressing pushes the vinegar to the top. but if that were all it was then the outer atmosphere would consist of helium and hydrogen and that is not the case. not only is helium so light that it rises to the top gravity has so little grip on it that anything at all can tear it away so for all intents and purposes it has no weight. please explain how matter can have mass but not have weight. given that gravity acts upon all matter i find this concept err... intriguing. because weight is a force and if other forces around it negate it it has no weight take it and your co2 to the moon and neither will have any weight in gaseous form but they will both have the same mass there as they do here or anywhere else in the universe. since there is no atmosphere surrounding the moon both the helium and the co2 will sink to the lunar surface. actually if that were true the moon would have a full atmosphere of its own but its gravitational force is simply not strong enough to hold any gas against the force of the solar winds so in reality it would simply float away no weight. there actually is a reason why the moon has no atmosphere. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tom lawrence

tbone wrote i dont know what insurance company you are using but just about every policy i have read allows for the use of aftermarket parts provided they meet or exceed factory specifications. specifications often have little to do with quality. ive used farmers state farm trans america and allstate. all can use aftermarket parts only with owners permission at least on my policies. state farm and allstate were both sued and lost for insisting on generic parts several years ago. insurers must restore a vehicle to pre-accident condition and generic parts cant do that. october 1999 an illinois jury found state farm liable for $456 million in damages and an additional $730 million in punitive damages bringing the total awards in the case to $1.19 billion. state farm has suspended specification of generic parts on estimates. the case involved policyholders in illinois who claimed that the insurer calculates auto repair estimates using the price of generic crash parts which are usually less expensive and that these parts do not restore the vehicle to its original pre-crash condition. plaintiffs lawyers had argued that the uniformity of state farms claims settlement practices merited the inclusion of all policyholders whose vehicles were repaired by state farm. the decision therefore paved the way for national class action suit potentially covering 5 million policyholders and involving claims valued at more than $2 billion. .

From : tom lawrence

lol while true it still doesnt change the fact that helium has no weight. it does have mass and it also has an atomic weight but as far as actual weight goes it has n o n e. http//education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele002.html read the third paragraph where it says that helium is not gravitationally bound to the earth. why do you think that is does a hot air balloon weigh anything not while it is rising or did the term lighter than air get by you. does it have mass yep does it weigh anything nope at least not according to any earth bound scale. remember weight is a force and it is being canceled out by the denser air around it. try weighing a container with a hard vacuum inside then weighing it when its filled with helium braniac .

From : tbone

on tue 12 jul 2005 174911 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 12 jul 2005 053409 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote sorry tom but you are incorrect here and your vacuum description proves that. the volume of a cylinder is a dimensional measurement of space within the cylinder while the volume of a material whether liquid gas or solid is the amount of that material. within the space wrong. material is measured in weight or fluid increments. volume will always be the amount of space the material can fill not the amount of material. lol material is not always measured in weight and fluid increments are a volume measurment and you can get 100 oz of liquid in a 200 oz container and it is still sold or measured as 100 oz. the same goes for gas although gas is usually sold in a compressed or liquid form iow more cu in of gas than the cu in volume of the container. any volume measurement of a gas is meaningless if the density is not taking into consideration. and that is my point pinhead. because the density can change the volume of gas within the cylinder can change as well even if the volume of the cylinder is fixed. i thought i was trying to be nice a bit sarcastic maybe but nice nonetheless. nice my ass shithead. since i dont know you where do you get off starting with the name calling especially since it appears that you dont like getting it back. with a handle like tbone youve got to expect some variations on it being thrown back at you dont be so freakin sensitive dipshit... really why because you are too immature not to use them. i suspect you have somewhat of a grasp of the issue you just havent a clue as to how to express it in a coherent manner much like your math in the great k&n debate. pretty lame response there buddy. i apparently have a much greater on than you since i actually know how large of an area 80cf is. poke a hole in that container the pressure inside far exceeds atmospheric pressure here on the surface of the earth therefore the co2 escapes until the pressure in the container equals ambient atmospheric pressure. if you capture this gas as it leaves the container say in a ballon and discounting any amount lost due to leakeage the weight of the gas in the ballon will equal the original weight of the gas in the cylinder but the volume will increase dramatically. lol wrong. it will have the same mass but a very different weight. you do know the difference between the two dont you. cant wait for this one please explain in detail how and in what manner the weight will change and how this will not affect mass. because weight is measurement of a force acting on that mass gravity and is influenced by both the density of that mass and the mass of things around it. while you may not have affected the mass you did affect the density which will affect the weight. youve got x weight of co2 in the original container compressed in a cylinder high density more weight. you simply transfer it to a larger container which reduces the density and the weight. if this co2 were instead he it would still have a weight in compressed or liquid form but when allowed to expand back into a gas it would have no weight at all and actually carry your balloon away and yet still have the same mass it always did. you have seen a blimp right uncompressed in a balloon. where do you gain/lose weight if the weight changes how does the mass not change because weight is a measurment of a force not a volume or mass. lesson 101 completed. you stupid fuck weight = mass times acceleration due to gravity thats right you fucking retard and if you bothered to look at your formula you would see that a mass multiplied by an acceleration is a force so weight is a f o r c e and btw the formula is w = mg. but...................a few lines ago you said that weight is a measurement of a force not a volume or mass so your current stance is that you can have weight without mass correct .

From : miles

acid. a small amount dripped onto a very small diameter vacuum line that runs under the battery and connects to a silver can. cruise control. the vacuum line provides well vacuum that is regulated by a solenoid valve to the canister. the canister via a diaphragm operates the throttle cable and modulates the throttle. with a hole in that vacuum line youll find that your cruise control doesnt work your defroster may flip down to the floor vents on hard acceleration and your 4x4 if applicable may not want to engage. .

From : tbone

i heard once when i was still privvy to such things that if a service manager could bs good enough dc would send him a heated leather office chair. they must have sent you a entire living room set.vbg not even close. but i did get a cute little plaque for putting in my 25 yrs... now carlos that i have your attention how did it go sunday havent got the final sheet yet. but im sure im my usual spot in the standings... the good is that i shot only four hostages....none fatal... some of the guys had 7-8 good guys. most of the stages were set up for accuracy instead of speed. i get to help with the stages next month so im really gonna have fun. lets see......at the buzzer load six rounds in your magazine charge your weapon then engage your target. g nothing like slowing down some of those machine gun fingers.vbg this is the good thing about mppc stage set-up is not near as strict as the idpa. denny i just got the scores. the ole blind hog was in ohio again i got 8th out of 15 shooters in my class. id have had 7th ifn id only shot two hostages instead of four. denny .

From : tbone

on tue 12 jul 2005 174911 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 12 jul 2005 053409 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote sorry tom but you are incorrect here and your vacuum description proves that. the volume of a cylinder is a dimensional measurement of space within the cylinder while the volume of a material whether liquid gas or solid is the amount of that material. within the space wrong. material is measured in weight or fluid increments. volume will always be the amount of space the material can fill not the amount of material. lol material is not always measured in weight and fluid increments are a volume measurment and you can get 100 oz of liquid in a 200 oz container and it is still sold or measured as 100 oz. the same goes for gas although gas is usually sold in a compressed or liquid form iow more cu in of gas than the cu in volume of the container. any volume measurement of a gas is meaningless if the density is not taking into consideration. and that is my point pinhead. because the density can change the volume of gas within the cylinder can change as well even if the volume of the cylinder is fixed. i thought i was trying to be nice a bit sarcastic maybe but nice nonetheless. nice my ass shithead. since i dont know you where do you get off starting with the name calling especially since it appears that you dont like getting it back. with a handle like tbone youve got to expect some variations on it being thrown back at you dont be so freakin sensitive dipshit... really why because you are too immature not to use them. i suspect you have somewhat of a grasp of the issue you just havent a clue as to how to express it in a coherent manner much like your math in the great k&n debate. pretty lame response there buddy. i apparently have a much greater on than you since i actually know how large of an area 80cf is. poke a hole in that container the pressure inside far exceeds atmospheric pressure here on the surface of the earth therefore the co2 escapes until the pressure in the container equals ambient atmospheric pressure. if you capture this gas as it leaves the container say in a ballon and discounting any amount lost due to leakeage the weight of the gas in the ballon will equal the original weight of the gas in the cylinder but the volume will increase dramatically. lol wrong. it will have the same mass but a very different weight. you do know the difference between the two dont you. cant wait for this one please explain in detail how and in what manner the weight will change and how this will not affect mass. because weight is measurement of a force acting on that mass gravity and is influenced by both the density of that mass and the mass of things around it. while you may not have affected the mass you did affect the density which will affect the weight. youve got x weight of co2 in the original container compressed in a cylinder high density more weight. you simply transfer it to a larger container which reduces the density and the weight. if this co2 were instead he it would still have a weight in compressed or liquid form but when allowed to expand back into a gas it would have no weight at all and actually carry your balloon away and yet still have the same mass it always did. you have seen a blimp right uncompressed in a balloon. where do you gain/lose weight if the weight changes how does the mass not change because weight is a measurment of a force not a volume or mass. lesson 101 completed. you stupid fuck weight = mass times acceleration due to gravity thats right you fucking retard and if you bothered to look at your formula you would see that a mass multiplied by an acceleration is a force so weight is a f o r c e and btw the formula is w = mg. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

i just replaced a pretty bad battery. it had been leaking a bit of acid. a small amount dripped onto a very small diameter vacuum line that runs under the battery and connects to a silver can. it is not the chacoal canister which is located elsewhere and its about 1/3 that size. the other end of the line runs up underneath the air cleaner somewhere. the battery acid ate a hole in the line. i do not notice any problems everything works engine runs fine and no engine light to indicate a code. guess i could splice it or run a new line but was curious what this line might be. .

From : roy

just to put this whole issue to bed i replaced the overdrive/lockup solenoid the governor pressure switchthe governor pressure solenoid and put in a valve body kit. all better now. thanks. .

From : max dodge

just to put this whole issue to bed i replaced the overdrive/lockup solenoid the governor pressure switchthe governor pressure solenoid and put in a valve body kit. all better now. thanks. .

From : transurgeon

nice my ass shithead. since i dont know you where do you get off starting with the name calling especially since it appears that you dont like getting it back. jeez you are awfully sensitive considering you dont know me or gary or tom l or anyone here but calling us names wasnt hindered by your lack of knowing us. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. .

From : transurgeon

hehehehehe yea a comment on my logic from the person who says that a 2cf container has to somehow contain 80cf of gas at any pressure and doesnt know the difference between mass and weight. sorry buddy but with your apparent math and scientific skills to run and hide after the crap in your last post is the wisest move that you could make right now. perhaps you are not quite so dumb after all bye - this from someone who has trouble with 3% / 2% = 150% .

From : idaspode

on wed 13 jul 2005 183344 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote but why would i need another friend i already have you. and if you bother to look the lol is in there especially after his last comical post. well now.......you probably do consider me a friend because i give you some attention. i understand that you tried to pretend to be sarcastic but i think you are reallybeing serious. i am convinced that we are the only friends that you have. hey i supposse you just have to take what you can get but then you would be a better judge of that. .

From : tom lawrence

sounds like the transmission has gone into the limp mode. limp mode on a 518 hahahaha 97 is an re. yes and an re is hydraulically shifted via a governor pressure solenoid and transducer for 1-2-3 and electrically enabled for 4th off the same governor pressure circuit and electrically off of 3rd oil for l/u there is no limp mode on the a500 /518 /618 family oh perhaps you havent read daimler-chrysler literature regarding the situation too busy looking at your image in the mirror. below is a direct quote from dc tsb 21-04-00 referring to the 96-99 46re transmission the vehicle operator may experience slower than normal vehicle accelerations because the transmission may have temporarily entered its third gear limp-in mode as a result of the dtc. the limp- in mode may last until the vehicle owner cycles the ignition key. the technician may not detect a problem with the automatic transmission during a diagnostic test or test drive. the quotation marks surrounding limp-in are dcs not mine; making it rather obvious that the a500 /518 /618 family does indeed go into a limp mode under certain circumstances. got a problem with that talk to dc. .

From : transurgeon

on tue 12 jul 2005 094602 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on tue 12 jul 2005 082855 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on sun 10 jul 2005 134338 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on sun 10 jul 2005 095221 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote says... hemidude03 @webtv.net says... agreed. worrying about mileage when you are driveing a truck i have never been able to follow. normally i would agree. before my my ram my 2000- dak suddenly dropped from 18 to 12 highway. when i inquired about it here i got falmmed because its a damn truck! what did you expect! i expect that something was wrong which there was. my ram is doing the same thing now 19 to 13 on the highway. i know less bout diesels this being my first one. im learning tho. i trimmed it so people wouldnt bitch you can get slammed any time for anything here. what was the solution to the daks problem regards the ram is that mt/towing what year what trans rears. roy okay i found the year03 but little else. is it constantly low at 13 or is it up and down are you using the overhead trip thingy or is that by the tankfull more info roy the trip computer matched the hand calculation within half a gal/mile consistantly. i check it at every fill-up. i thought it might be bad fuel around here at first but when i travel to denver for reserve duty i get the same milage from different gas stations. it stays around 13 on average. sometimes down to 12 sometimes up to 14. all highway driving. i wouldnt think the fuel filter would be clogged by 40k miles gotta tell ya 40k is a long time for a fuel filter change on a cummins imo. but dc supprises me sometimes. regular maintenance. found an afe high flow air filter when i thought to check that. swapped it for a new paper one. you might want to tighten all the hose clamps on you intake system. did you buy this truck new roy thanks roy. it had 30k when i bought it back in december. looked at the maint schedule this morning. calls for a change at 48k; passed that milage up last month. up to 53k now. has this mileage drop just happened was it gradual or has it been going on since you bought the truck if the latter get hold of the previous owner and talk to him ask what was done to the truck re modifications if 48k is too long how often would you recommend changing that bad-boy out i change mine at 15k at the most. to some that may be short but between shit fuel and lift pump issues i dont want to find myself on the side of the road in the middle of a snow storm. roy jay aka twix i pick up a filter last night. im going to try and get it installed tonight if i ever get out of work while theres daylight. g .

From : tbone

on tue 12 jul 2005 175447 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 12 jul 2005 140506 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote now there is an interesting comment tom. pot kettle black i would think so. i thought that you were going to stfu and watch me implode. i guess that honesty isnt really a strong point of yours. do you intend to explain this comment oh wtf am i kidding. oh tom.............oh tom.....i just cant stfu. besides you are the one who told me to do that tom and wtf are you to me oh yeah i remember now......a toy. you make yourself way too rich a target for me to resist any more. but i did tryi really did. you are like.............well you are like an incredible moron. you go on and on and on and on. at one time i thought you did it because you just love to argue and this was a place you could do it all day long. then i thought maybe you were baiting max and gary. but i realize that i gave you way too much credit. after watching you drivel on and on for days over the most rivial and mundane things i now realize that you just stupid. you are just an idiot. thats pretty it tom. hey just saying man. .

From : the guy

on tue 12 jul 2005 053409 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote poke a hole in that container the pressure inside far exceeds atmospheric pressure here on the surface of the earth therefore the co2 escapes until the pressure in the container equals ambient atmospheric pressure. if you capture this gas as it leaves the container say in a ballon and discounting any amount lost due to leakeage the weight of the gas in the ballon will equal the original weight of the gas in the cylinder but the volume will increase dramatically. lol wrong. it will have the same mass but a very different weight. you do know the difference between the two dont you. yes but obviously you dont if it has the same mass the only way to alter the weight is to change the gravitational pull of the planet weight = mass x gravitational acceleration you really are too much.................... .

From : tbone

on wed 13 jul 2005 181956 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote snip poke a hole in that container the pressure inside far exceeds atmospheric pressure here on the surface of the earth therefore the co2 escapes until the pressure in the container equals ambient atmospheric pressure. if you capture this gas as it leaves the container say in a ballon and discounting any amount lost due to leakeage the weight of the gas in the ballon will equal the original weight of the gas in the cylinder but the volume will increase dramatically. lol wrong. it will have the same mass but a very different weight. you do know the difference between the two dont you. cant wait for this one please explain in detail how and in what manner the weight will change and how this will not affect mass. because weight is measurement of a force acting on that mass gravity and is influenced by both the density of that mass and the mass of things around it. while you may not have affected the mass you did affect the density which will affect the weight. youve got x weight of co2 in the original container compressed in a cylinder high density more weight. you simply transfer it to a larger container which reduces the density and the weight. if this co2 were instead he it would still have a weight in compressed or liquid form but when allowed to expand back into a gas it would have no weight at all and actually carry your balloon away and yet still have the same mass it always did. you have seen a blimp right what a fuckin idiot! helium has no weight the only reason the helium filled balloon would rise is the fact an equal amount of helium is lighter than the surrounding atmosphere it is displacing. does a hot air balloon weigh anything the only reason a hot air balloon rises is the fact the air contained in the envelope is lighter less dense than the surrounding atmosphere it displaces. the air in the envelope loses density when it is heated. gee i wonder why they are called hot air balloons i hold a commercial pilots license and have for well over 30 years with thousands of hours in aircraft ranging from hang gliders to light/medium weight twins including ultralights and sailplanes in between. please do school me on air density and how it affects aircraft you fuckin hick... blimps and hot air balloons fall into the category of lighter than air aircraft. they do indeed have weight which is supported by the pressure of the air surrounding the gas filled envelope. the gas in the envelope does indeed have weight and therefore mass it just happens to weigh less than the equal amount of the atmosphere it displaces just like a thousand ton ship will float in water. --------------- if this co2 were instead he it would still have a weight in compressed or liquid form but when allowed to expand back into a gas it would have no weight at all and actually carry your balloon away and yet still have the same mass it always did. -------------- what a freakin gem of an idiotic statement. do yourself and the rest of us a huge favor call your local high school college or university ask for the physics department tell them what you just told us see if they agree with the above quoted statement. if they do i will personally travel to wherever you live and kiss your ass in public. here are some links to explanations your feeble mind may be able to both comprehend and accept as scientific fact you need not take my word for it http//travel.howstuffworks.com/blimp.htm http//science.howstuffworks.com/helium1.htm http//travel.howstuffworks.com/hot-air-balloon.htm or cut to the chase here http//travel.howstuffworks.com/hot-air-balloon5.htm take some time go back and at least get your ged high school may be easier on you this time around if you pay attention. snip i was mistaken i must take back what i said about you possibly having a grasp but are unable to convey these thoughts into intelligble writings. from what you just said above its all too clear you definitely do not understand what we are talking about here. like i replied to the guy i give up no sense wrestling with a pig the pig has a good time and all you get is dirty. over and out... dj david - 05 ktm 200exc djonesatlsidaho.com http//www.spodefest.net/rmd http//www.spodefest.net/forum .

From : idaspode

on wed 13 jul 2005 112624 -0700 the guy theguy@myplace.com wrote on wed 13 jul 2005 181956 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote so tom you have made yet another friend the only thing you left out this time is one of your patented lol which i think is the written form of a stutter for you. he called me a homo he called me a homo or lordy is there anything worse he could do to me pretty much like you keep thinking of a boner while talking to me just questioning your reasons thats all. i give up there is nothing good that can emerge from debating anything even remotely mathematical or scientific with an imbecile whos train of logic if you could call it logic is this far out of whack with the rest of the thinking world... hehehehehe yea a comment on my logic from the person who says that a 2cf container has to somehow contain 80cf of gas at any pressure and doesnt know the difference between mass and weight. sorry buddy but with your apparent math and scientific skills to run and hide after the crap in your last post is the wisest move that you could make right now. perhaps you are not quite so dumb after all bye - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : the guy

on wed 13 jul 2005 112624 -0700 the guy theguy@myplace.com wrote on wed 13 jul 2005 181956 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote so tom you have made yet another friend the only thing you left out this time is one of your patented lol which i think is the written form of a stutter for you. he called me a homo he called me a homo or lordy is there anything worse he could do to me i give up there is nothing good that can emerge from debating anything even remotely mathematical or scientific with an imbecile whos train of logic if you could call it logic is this far out of whack with the rest of the thinking world... snip dj david - 05 ktm 200exc djonesatlsidaho.com http//www.spodefest.net/rmd http//www.spodefest.net/forum .

From : tbone

i know i am no mech. i need a little help as to what to do to replace the front brakes on my 99 ram 4x4. and please dont suggest a shop after you raise the wheel secure it with a jackstand and remove the wheel/tire remove the caliper by backing off the two 3/8 allen-head slide bolts. pull these all the way out. lift the caliper off the rotor and if necessary remove the rotor and have it turned or replaced. pop the outer pad out of the caliper big screwdriver is helpful here. put a big c-clamp on the center of the inner pad and the back of the caliper. attach a piece of tubing to the bleeder screw and run it into a suitable container soda bottle works well. open the bleeder screw and tighten the clamp to compress the piston back into the cylinder. once the pad bottoms out close the bleeder screw remove the tubing and c-clamp then take the old inner pad out. install the new pads in the caliper. lightly grease the flat spots on the steering knuckle where the caliper will slide on as well as the slide bolts with high-temp brake grease included with some pads otherwise get it from the parts place. make sure this is grease designed for brake use and not regular multi-purpose or wheel-bearing grease. slide the new caliper with pads back into place and re-install the slide bolts. spray the rotor down with some brake cleaner if you got any fingerprints/grease/other contaminants on it turning it and wiping it down this is also required if you get a new rotor to remove the protective coating the factory puts on the rotor - do both sides of the new rotor before installing it. repeat this on the other side then pump the brake pedal until it firms up seating the pads against the rotors. finally top off the brake fluid resevoir with brake fluid dot3 or dot4 and youre done. and yeah - if you pick up a haynes repair manual #30041 it will go over this in more detail pictures and all and should make things a little easier. .

From : tbone

but why would i need another friend i already have you. and if you bother to look the lol is in there especially after his last comical post. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on wed 13 jul 2005 181956 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote so tom you have made yet another friend the only thing you left out this time is one of your patented lol which i think is the written form of a stutter for you. on tue 12 jul 2005 174911 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 12 jul 2005 053409 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote sorry tom but you are incorrect here and your vacuum description proves that. the volume of a cylinder is a dimensional measurement of space within the cylinder while the volume of a material whether liquid gas or solid is the amount of that material. within the space wrong. material is measured in weight or fluid increments. volume will always be the amount of space the material can fill not the amount of material. lol material is not always measured in weight and fluid increments are a volume measurment and you can get 100 oz of liquid in a 200 oz container and it is still sold or measured as 100 oz. the same goes for gas although gas is usually sold in a compressed or liquid form iow more cu in of gas than the cu in volume of the container. any volume measurement of a gas is meaningless if the density is not taking into consideration. and that is my point pinhead. because the density can change the volume of gas within the cylinder can change as well even if the volume of the cylinder is fixed. i thought i was trying to be nice a bit sarcastic maybe but nice nonetheless. nice my ass shithead. since i dont know you where do you get off starting with the name calling especially since it appears that you dont like getting it back. with a handle like tbone youve got to expect some variations on it being thrown back at you dont be so freakin sensitive dipshit... really why because you are too immature not to use them. i suspect you have somewhat of a grasp of the issue you just havent a clue as to how to express it in a coherent manner much like your math in the great k&n debate. pretty lame response there buddy. i apparently have a much greater on than you since i actually know how large of an area 80cf is. poke a hole in that container the pressure inside far exceeds atmospheric pressure here on the surface of the earth therefore the co2 escapes until the pressure in the container equals ambient atmospheric pressure. if you capture this gas as it leaves the container say in a ballon and discounting any amount lost due to leakeage the weight of the gas in the ballon will equal the original weight of the gas in the cylinder but the volume will increase dramatically. lol wrong. it will have the same mass but a very different weight. you do know the difference between the two dont you. cant wait for this one please explain in detail how and in what manner the weight will change and how this will not affect mass. because weight is measurement of a force acting on that mass gravity and is influenced by both the density of that mass and the mass of things around it. while you may not have affected the mass you did affect the density which will affect the weight. youve got x weight of co2 in the original container compressed in a cylinder high density more weight. you simply transfer it to a larger container which reduces the density and the weight. if this co2 were instead he it would still have a weight in compressed or liquid form but when allowed to expand back into a gas it would have no weight at all and actually carry your balloon away and yet still have the same mass it always did. you have seen a blimp right uncompressed in a balloon. where do you gain/lose weight if the weight changes how does the mass not change because weight is a measurment of a force not a volume or mass. lesson 101 completed. snip hey boner you are about to go to a wrecking yard to dismantle an old truck with your o/a cutting torch. you have two 80 cf o2 containers. one is pretty light in weight the other relatively heavy. the job is expected to take several hours and is an hours drive from your home/work. you only have room for one of your o2 cyllinders. which one do you take and why they both contain 80 cf of o2 correct if that is true it shouldnt matter which cylinder you take choose the lighter one it will be easier to move around... that is not true and i never said that shit for brains. i in fact said quite the opposit. while the container may have an internal volume of 80 cf which is quite large moron to start with dipshit you apparently have never dealt with common gas cylinders 80cf is a standard size. whos playing the moron now once again that would be you.

From : tbone

robdacoach wrote i am getting a loud hissing from a rear port in the throttle body. any ideas on the cause of this hissing it is causing my 96 dodge 1500 v6 to start very hard. i restricted the air flow to this port upon one of the startups and it idled better. however it only worked on this one startup and i cant keep taking the filter off every time i crank the old girl. you are missing a plug/cap or a hose connected to it because it is not supposed to be open like that. .

From : tom lawrence

i have been a dodge boy all my life. this still dont change my mind. you dig deep enough into any of them youll find the same thing. dodgechevyfordhell mazada it dont matter they all have problems and they all break down!!! .

From : dj

arhhggg!!!! i scratched up the front bumber on my 03 ram 1500. truck has the sport appearance package with color matched bumber with driving lights. cannot repair the lower part of the bumber lower spoiler; due to its texture the body shop cannot match it. insurance company wants to replace with aftermarket bumper. asking for recommendations or advise as to the best aftermarket bumper. or should i get one of those bumber covers like the ones ive seen in the styling concepts catalog any suggestions and/or opinions will be appreciated. randy 03 dodge ram 1500 slt reg cab/short box hemi 20 wheels......... my sport truck .

From : dj

dodge50 wrote 1992 dodge d50 ram 2.4 motor. has new coil/transtior for coil/mfi relay ecm rebuilt starter relay plus and wires cap /rotor/timing belt/head was warp has been shaved new gaskets.rebult dist /new ignition switch. rebult alternator.the problem is you turn key in start postion well start but you have to hard it in the start postion when released to run stops running so does anyone have and answer on what the problem is should could use help on this one huh .

From : tbone

on wed 13 jul 2005 050435 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote the volume of a cylinder is a dimensional measurement of space within the cylinder while the volume of a material whether liquid gas or solid is the amount of that material. within the space true for a liquid and a solid... gas is different. from a basic definition of this state of matter gases will expand to fill any container regardless of its size. therefore for a given volume of any container the gas in the container has the exact same volume as that container. always. molecule of oxygen into a 20 cu in container it most definitely would not have a volume of 20 cu in. it absolutely would... see below. it would take up the same molecular amount of space that a single oxygen molecule always takes up it would just be in a 20 cu in space. you are aware that gas at virtually any pressure has space between the molocules of said gas again from another section of the definition of gas many of the properties of gases can be understood by considering the fact that only a small part of the volume of a gas is occupied by its atoms or molocules which are in rapid random motion. essentially the gas molocules or molocule in your rediculous example are constantly moving around bouncing off each other or the cylinder walls. what youre getting hung up on is you want to measure the volume of a gas as the space physically occupied by the molocules of that gas and discount the nothingness between them. it doesnt work that way for reasons stated above. no unless the pressure was zero at sea level it would be x cu in of gas compressed or decompressed into a 20 cu in container. wrong. its 20cu.in. of gas at x psi. again to describe the amount of gas you express it either in mass grams moles or a combination of volume and pressure. you can then freely convert between the various measurements. as a real-world example an 80cu.ft. tank of argon is a measurement of the volume of that gas at standard temperature 32f and pressure 14.7psi what youre referring to the x cu.in. of gas compressed/decompressed... is the measurement of a gas at stp standard temperature and pressure. thats a measurement of mass again because we know both volume and density. using the above lets take my 80cu.ft. tank of argon again. 80 cu.ft. of argon or any gas since were calculating moles and not mass at 32f/14.7psi is 101 moles. now approximating the size of said tank because i dont feel like going outside and measuring it lets call it 6 in diameter and 36 tall. thats about 1018cu.in. 1018cu.in. of gas at 70f room temp. and 2200psi again a rough approximation but thats about what my gauge reads when its full calculates out to 103.5 moles. close enough... so you see... we can take 80 cubic feet of gas and convert its volume to .59cu.ft. 1100cu.in. and have the exact same amount moles. and why can we do that because the volume of a gas is always equal to the volume of that which contains it. this is basic high-school chemistry.... nothing overly complex here. please do not muddy this discussion by injecting proven scientific and physical principles and facts. these do no fit into the wacko math and science program which apparently formed boners educational background. and this from someone that cant determine the physical size of a container lol! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

well in order for the volume to be the same on each cylinder that would mean that every cylinder connecting rod and piston is exactly the same size and we all know that is impossible. once again proving you are full of shit. now besides that unless the pistons dont move in your maxworld engines the volume between all cylinders is never the same and the volume in any one cylinder is constantly changing ok lets go into idiocy with this. in tbone world the volume is never the same from cylinder to cylinder despite all cylinders rods and pistons having the same dimensions within .001. now unless you are concerned with such minute diferences as .0005 or so i think we can move on. regarding the constantly changing thats rubbish. there are two points where the piston will dwell at bdc and tdc at these points the piston is still. regarding changing the volume of each cylinder is referred to as the swept volume and is the same from cyinder to cylinder and is noted by the moniker most enhgines pick up eaither cid or litre both of which refer to a volume measurement and are never changed unless the engine is modified. with the exception of the small instant in time while the piston changes direction as the crankshaft turns. how do you think that an engine compresses the air fuel mixture with a piston. the cylinder remains at the same volume. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. lol do you even know what a compression ration is here is a hint it is the change in cylinder volume between bottom and top dead center and has nothing to do with the amount of air in the cylinder. but ill assume that the engines that you know about are the same as the ones ive actually fixed built torn down etc and that the voulume of the cylinder is the same on each and every cylinder and stroke. well in order for the volume to be the same on each cylinder that would mean that every cylinder connecting rod and piston is exactly the same size and we all know that is impossible. now besides that unless the pistons dont move in your maxworld engines the volume between all cylinders is never the same and the volume in any one cylinder is constantly changing with the exception of the small instant in time while the piston changes direction as the crankshaft turns. how do you think that an engine compresses the air fuel mixture adding a blower or turbo does not change the compression ratio of an engine but it does drastically increase the volume of air pushed into the cylinders hence the recommended drop in compression ratio to a reasonable level on engines where they are used. sorry no. it increases the density of the air in the cylinder but again all cylinders have the same volume on each and every stroke. wrong again! a cylinder does not have the same volume at tdc as it does at bdc and if you think that it does lets see you get the same volume of water into the cylinder at both tdc and bdc. i think that is why they call it compression - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

i recently added some cab lights to my 98 after taking the cables off of the battery. when the job was completed i conected everything and had the same problem that your describing. before you sink any more money into fixing the problem start the truck and try driving it at least 10 to 12 miles normal driving. i called the local dealership and they said thats what you have to do to get the computer to reset the ignition memory and idle timming. hope this works. .

From : tbone

i have a 1999 5.2 2wd durango with 118600 miles. recently the check engine light came on and has stayed on. now i dont notice any change in driving. shop which gave the code said it could be 1 torque converter 2 front transmission oil pump 3 torque converter clutch solenoid or transmission a quick google search said this could just be a bad speed sensor. any ideas .

From : max dodge

warranty work is a huge expense yet they honor it. lol yea like they have a choice. um well yeah they do. when they offer a warranty they do a cost/benefit study. better quality parts mean lower warranty costs. since dc extended its warranty from the measly 3/36 i had to a 7/70 just a year later they must have felt safe in making the move since lower quality parts would have cost them more under warranty claims. so i have to ask....are you actually in business where did i say that dodge was crappy what i did say is that they are not the definition of perfection that many in hear seem to believe. i bought my dodge because i liked dodge prior to them selling out and liked the way the truck looked. i also knew the manager if the dealership dont think it was a bs 5 star and got an excellent deal. my next truck will probably be a f250 superduty because they are about a million times better looking than that disaster of a butt ugly body style personal opinion that dodge has now for the ram and my friend has one with no problems at all so far. so quality takes a backseat to looks -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. .

From : tbone

really do you have the dyno and airflow results to back this up i am not arguing with you i just want to know where you are getting this from. tom lawrence did some testing of tbs a while ago not sure what all it included but the results were minimal improvements at best. um no. the volume is based on the amount of air that manages to get into the cylinder in any given cycle and there is nothing all that consistant about that. if this were true there would be no need for a throttle body. lol nope. if you were correct compression ratio and cylinder pressure would mean nothing. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. .

From : max dodge

hello all i have a question . is there an air conditioner filter for the outside air and if so how do you get it out there is no chiltons publications yet for an 2002 ram quad with the 4.7 thanks in advance ....theski its located inside the muffler. remove the easy access panel thats located on top of the muffler then stick your hand down in there and pull it out. replace it with a new mopar one. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- i thought it was behind the fire wall up under the dash a real bitch to get at you have to take your entire dash apart. -- coasty sempar paratus always ready remove the spooge to reply .

From : tbone

tbone wrote no dc fixed the problem. dealer only supplies the labor and was authorized and paid by dc. make up your mind. 1st you say dc -1 now you say dc +/- 1 cant you stick to your same train of thought rather than just bounce around to suit your argument i guess that logic is slipping for you so let me explain this. you are making the claim that because dc or rather the dealerships are fixing the problems that they get a point for that and to some degree i agree. but the point that you are as usual blind to is that many of these problems have been caused by dc in the form of lower qc and lower cost parts and for that they get a -1 so when you add the two of them together you get the zero that i gave dc credit for each time they repaired their own screw-ups and a -1 for each time that they didnt. since the dealership did not build the vehicle they get the +1 or each time they help the customer. as for the dealer being a representative of dc that is not as valid as it used to be since many dealerships carry vehicles from many different manufacturers at the same time. ditto and the point is not what dc fixes but the level of quality that caused it to begin with. true except according to jdpowers and edmunds dodge for at least the past 2 years has had higher reliability in almost all areas. fine that was for the past two years but what about all of the people that have older vehicles where that is not the case. i would suspect that their low quality cost saving ideas finally came back to bite them in the ass and now they are trying to look good. this might be a good thing for people buying them now but does little for the rest of us. i guess that a second reason for the improvement in qc is the fact that most of their current vehicles are fucking ugly and they cant get by on style anymore. a few areas were equal to ford and chevy for 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton trucks. even if the big 3 are about equal what sets them apart is how they handle problems that do occur. dc scores well as they fixed the problems. really not by what im reading in this group alone. the five star dealership has been proven to be nothing more than a marketing ploy and while there are some that actually hold up to the proposed standard there are many more that dont even come close and yet they remain 5 star lol. if dc was as concerned for the customer as you claim they at least should force the dealerships to hold up to the proposed standard. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

no they are not the same thing. the tb or throttle body controls the amount of air entering the intake manifold. yup. a tb spacer fits between the throttle body and the manifold with the idea of smoothing out the airflow perhaps but more likely its to add length to the intake tract in an effort to get more low end torque. not that it always works thta way. smoothing air flow by adding a second mating point seems a bit odd. better idea is to use something that will produce laminar air flow which could be added with the spacer but usually is not. into the intake for better fuel atomization and allowing more air to get into the cylinders. atomization perhaps yes. more air into the cylinders nope. as you just said the tb regulates that not the spacer. while the tb regulates air flow that flow is ultimately limited by the efficiency of the intake system as well. the spacer as you said increases the length which should but not always increase air speed and reduce turbulence which should get more air into the cylinders. why do you think that they are said to increase lower end torque debatable or not the op stated he had a 90 3.9l engine. iirc this motor used the barrel shaped intake manifold. if you take this manifold off and take the bottom plate off youll see that as the air comes thru the t/b it enters a chamber roughly the size of a gallon milk jug. the intake runners start at the bottom of this cavern and go up and over the top of the manifold to the opposite bank of cyls. i fail to see how adding a half inch spacer at the top of this cavern would make didly squat difference in the airflow thru the manifold. i could see how a spacer could work on a single or double plane manifold but this take a look at hughesengines.com and read how they modify the manifold for higher flow. notice they dont sell spacers but they do sell other performance enhancing items. this tells me they probably know more about these engines than j.c. whitney. you are not going to gat an argument out of me. i simply answered his question as to what a spacer was not how effective it would be on his engine. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

denny wrote im just curious are there any other waste of time energy and money maintenance items that you dont believe in doing you do not take apart and or clean a carb or tbi unit because someone tells you it is dirty when the vehical runs fine. btw 99% of the time they might get dirty on outside but it has no effect of operation cleaning a tbi unit is not a normal maintance item that must be done like oil changes and such. i have seen a lot of people get screwed by mechs that tell that something is wrong that cost $$$$ to fix and puts money in mechs pocket too. i have seen this scam before you chastise me because i want him to save his money and his time and spend it on more worthwhile endevors. how about if you or someone else in this thread pay to get it done for him if you guys think he needs it so bad not chastising you at all just asking a question. i understand that outside dirt on the t/b will not cause a problem but i have seem numerous times where a throttle plate will stick due to a crud build up in the throat of the t/b. dirt build up will also cause a hesitation on accel or a stalling problem. what is wrong with inspecting a t/b when changing an air filter and letting a cust know if it is getting dirty enough to cause a problem when i do an oil change and notice a u-joint has play in it is this also something that shouldnt be mentioned to the cust. after all if it aint broke-dont fix it. your quote not mine i understand there are scam artist shops out there. every line of work has them. there are scam artist customers out there also that will lie thru their teeth to get something for free. that doesnt make them all dishonest. denny .

From : denny

what about the 04.5 in 04.5 and 04 as well i believe they simply renamed o/d off to tow/haul because less-than-informed buyers would say well the other maker has a tow/haul thingy on their transmission - do you i also noticed the downshifting. good job dodge! it took them damn-near forever but im fairly certain the 05s can accept an ecm flash to allow approved warranty-covered use of an exhaust brake. that might be something you want to look into if you plan on pulling heavy through the mountains. .

From : tbone

plane wtf are you talking about this is supposed to be about a spacer! now your confusing the issue with planes not just a single plane but your also talking about a couple of them. well hot damm!!!!! ole pudge of the east looks like hes trying to think again. stand up there pudge itll go better for ya.. looking back at your post i see you are also talking about joggers and milk jugs caverns and being over the top. i also see you mentioned taking a plate off. now that is something im sure you have expertise in taking a dinner plate off the table. im just throughly confused by your explanation do you think you could clear it up a bit i told you to stand up before you try thinking. or maybe youre just thinking bout another pack of twinkys. im glad somebody is paying attention and trying to correct some of the misinformation that has been tossed out here recently keep up the good work. ill leave that up to bone. he has more time than i do. gbmfg great brownies made for gobbling roy please quit dwelling on food all the time. if not for sue for the dog..... have fun friend.. got a meet tomorrow am maybe ill get lucky and finish higher than next to last.... denny .

From : roy

i have an 02 durango which i bought used and did not get the owners manual. can anyone provide me with the instructions for programming the built in garage door opener .

From : roy

on sat 9 jul 2005 020456 -0500 hemidude03@webtv.net hemi dude wrote diesels are stinking junk sounding things. only farmers drive deisels. they soundlike they are ready to fall apart when you start them up. welcome to the 80s... mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : max dodge

well it looks like geekboy doesnt now what he is taking about and doesnt know much about trucks in general. he uses big words that he must have read in a dodge owners magazine and now all of the sudden he thinks hes a mechanical genious. i have owned trucks from the big 3 dodge ford and chevy.... all that by 18 years old amazing. oh its genius. roy .

From : max dodge

no they are not the same thing. the tb or throttle body controls the amount of air entering the intake manifold. yup. a tb spacer fits between the throttle body and the manifold with the idea of smoothing out the airflow perhaps but more likely its to add length to the intake tract in an effort to get more low end torque. not that it always works thta way. smoothing air flow by adding a second mating point seems a bit odd. better idea is to use something that will produce laminar air flow which could be added with the spacer but usually is not. into the intake for better fuel atomization and allowing more air to get into the cylinders. atomization perhaps yes. more air into the cylinders nope. as you just said the tb regulates that not the spacer. while the tb regulates air flow that flow is ultimately limited by the efficiency of the intake system as well. the spacer as you said increases the length which should but not always increase air speed and reduce turbulence which should get more air into the cylinders. why do you think that they are said to increase lower end torque debatable or not the op stated he had a 90 3.9l engine. iirc this motor used the barrel shaped intake manifold. if you take this manifold off and take the bottom plate off youll see that as the air comes thru the t/b it enters a chamber roughly the size of a gallon milk jug. the intake runners start at the bottom of this cavern and go up and over the top of the manifold to the opposite bank of cyls. i fail to see how adding a half inch spacer at the top of this cavern would make didly squat difference in the airflow thru the manifold. i could see how a spacer could work on a single or double plane plane wtf are you talking about this is supposed to be about a spacer! now your confusing the issue with planes not just a single plane but your also talking about a couple of them. looking back at your post i see you are also talking about joggers and milk jugs caverns and being over the top. i also see you mentioned taking a plate off. now that is something im sure you have expertise in taking a dinner plate off the table. im just throughly confused by your explanation do you think you could clear it up a bit im glad somebody is paying attention and trying to correct some of the misinformation that has been tossed out here recently keep up the good work. gbmfg roy denny .

From : max dodge

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From : max dodge

on sat 09 jul 2005 014038 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote it sounds exactly like a bad connection causing your problems. could be a bad battery also. mine was doing similar till i changed the battery a failure of 2 cells engine still cranks and runs on most vehicles can cause a computer problem. on saturns automatic transmissions will not shift. thank you tbone. i -- .

From : transurgeon

no they are not the same thing. the tb or throttle body controls the amount of air entering the intake manifold. yup. a tb spacer fits between the throttle body and the manifold with the idea of smoothing out the airflow perhaps but more likely its to add length to the intake tract in an effort to get more low end torque. not that it always works thta way. smoothing air flow by adding a second mating point seems a bit odd. better idea is to use something that will produce laminar air flow which could be added with the spacer but usually is not. into the intake for better fuel atomization and allowing more air to get into the cylinders. atomization perhaps yes. more air into the cylinders nope. as you just said the tb regulates that not the spacer. while the tb regulates air flow that flow is ultimately limited by the efficiency of the intake system as well. the spacer as you said increases the length which should but not always increase air speed and reduce turbulence which should get more air into the cylinders. why do you think that they are said to increase lower end torque debatable or not ultimately the spacer is a debatable add on but a cheap experiment. agreed. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 302731 oijze.154$gk4.64@trnddc01 i am soooooo glad that i got the 5 speed. too bad that even there they used an underrated transmission. anything to save a buck i guess. no they use a trans that is not rated at enough capacity. the way you said it the trans was racted below its ability. remember what i said about a grasp of the language this has been a random reminder of my existance you may go back to your usual ineptitude. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. i am soooooo glad that i got the 5 speed. too bad that even there they used an underrated transmission. anything to save a buck i guess. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving my 2000 dodge ram 1500 has a similar problem.shifts from 1st to 2nd ok. bangs into 3rd wont shift into 4th until 55 mph. shottenkirh dodge in quincy il. worked on it for 3 months and gave it back and said they couldnt fix the problem. little jess dodge in edina had it for 6 weeks and gave it back in the same condition. good luck on yours. i just live with it. when it shifts out of 2nd it quits pulling...like its in neutral.....but if you hold the gas to the floor then itll shift ..but when you let up it wont kick into overdrive.......when you first put it in gear ..it pulls but it dont shift until you hit a high rpm........has anyone else had a problem like this................id appreciate any advice ...ive been working on this for 2 days............thanks and god bless.. .

From : denny

had my 2001 ram 5.9l in for some work and the dealer gave the usual list of things i need to pay them for! they said the throttle body needs to be cleaned. their charge is $200. they said its that high because they remove it for cleaning. truck has 66k on it and runs fine. is this something that needs to be done routinely and does it really take that much labor at 66k it probably could use cleaning. i take the t/b off take the ais motor out and clean the pintle and bore with chem-tool. i cant imagine what their labor rate is to make it $200 tho. a gasket is about $5 the solvent is about $6 and an hours labor is more than enough time. heck 15-20 minutes would cover it most of the time unless the screws on the ais twist off. denny .

From : tbone

it sounds exactly like a bad connection causing your problems. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving my truck did sometimes stall right after starting. the engine would start and then stop in 2-3 seconds. it would crank further but would not fire. i had to reboot the truck by going to the battery disconnecting a disconnect that i installed a long time ago and then reconnecting the battery. it would then start after some cranking. after a while of doing such i found out that another battery post not the one with disconnect had a poor connection first the battery terminal connection was loose and second due to an extra cable for an emergency inverter the cable connection woould get extremely hot after cranking. after correcting this the engine does not seem to stall anymore although it has been only 3 days. my question is could the above symptoms have been caused by a weak electrical connection of one terminal. or am i fooling myself and only seeing a random luck. the stalling occurred at random moments. i -- .

From : max dodge

my truck did sometimes stall right after starting. the engine would start and then stop in 2-3 seconds. it would crank further but would not fire. i had to reboot the truck by going to the battery disconnecting a disconnect that i installed a long time ago and then reconnecting the battery. it would then start after some cranking. after a while of doing such i found out that another battery post not the one with disconnect had a poor connection first the battery terminal connection was loose and second due to an extra cable for an emergency inverter the cable connection woould get extremely hot after cranking. after correcting this the engine does not seem to stall anymore although it has been only 3 days. my question is could the above symptoms have been caused by a weak electrical connection of one terminal. or am i fooling myself and only seeing a random luck. the stalling occurred at random moments. i -- .

From : tbone

look under the rear bumper. youll find it there. i also have 03 ram and asked the dealer for the adapter and was told where to find the 4ay plug. i would like to know if anyone can tell me if there should be a 4-prong plug on my 2003 dodge ram 1500 pickup. i have the round-type plug installed to pull a camper but need to pull a 15-foot jon boat on a trailer and the trailer has a 4-prong sorry i cant think of the proper terminology for it! plug for the lights. if there is not one can someone tell me if there is an adapter i can purchase that will allow me to plug the 4-prong plug into the round-type plug on my hitch. tia hawkeye65 .