Somebody Whacked The Beast
From : jeff mayner
Q: wife was waiting to turn right at a light probably the 5th or 6th car in line. she had just pulled past an exit to a shopping center and had to stop leaving plenty of room behind her for folks exiting the shopping center parking lot. a lady in a mid-90s nissan wasnt paying attention and pulled out of the exit and whacked into the dodge hitting the hitch area with her right front. she was probably going about 5 mph or so maybe a little more. damage to dodge scratched bumper. small rip in plastic bumper cover top. scratched hitch receiver. total cost to ladys ins. co. $700.00 damage to nissan totaled. watching pieces fall off the nissan inside and out the heater core ended up on the floor of the passenger footwell and the airbag let go. priceless. ;- -- ------------------------------------------------- listen we are here on earth to fart around. dont let anybody tell you any different. -kurt vonnegut jr. ------------------------------------------------------------ .
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From : d l
http//www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/fmvss/ code of federal regulations title 49 volume 5 revised as of october 1 2001 from the u.s. government printing office via gpo access cite 49cfr581.1 page 917 title 49--transportation chapter v--national highway traffic safety administration department of transportation part 581--bumper standard--table of contents sec. 581.1 scope. this standard establishes requirements for the impact resistance of vehicles in low speed front and rear collisions. code of federal regulations title 49 volume 5 revised as of october 1 2001 from the u.s. government printing office via gpo access cite 49cfr581.5 page 917-918 title 49--transportation chapter v--national highway traffic safety administration department of transportation part 581--bumper standard--table of contents sec. 581.5 requirements. a each vehicle shall meet the damage criteria of secs. 581.5c1 through 581.5c9 when impacted by a pendulum-type test device in accordance with the procedures of sec. 581.7b under the conditions of sec. 581.6 at an impact speed of 1.5 m.p.h. and when impacted by a pendulum-type test device in accordance with the procedures of sec. 581.7a at 2.5 m.p.h. followed by an impact into a fixed collision barrier that is perpendicular to the line of travel of the vehicle while traveling longitudinally forward then longitudinally rearward under the conditions of sec. 581.6 at 2.5 m.p.h. b reserved c protective criteria. 1 each lamp or reflective device except license plate lamps shall be free of cracks and shall comply with applicable visibility requirements of s5.3.1.1 of standard no. 108 sec. 571.108 of this chapter. the aim of each headlamp installed on the vehicle shall be adjustable to within the beam aim inspection limits specified in table 1 of sae recommended practice j599 aug97 measured with the aiming method appropriate for that headlamp. 2 the vehicles hood trunk and doors shall operate in the normal manner. page 918 3 the vehicles fuel and cooling systems shall have no leaks or constricted fluid passages and all sealing devices and caps shall operate in the normal manner. 4 the vehicles exhaust system shall have no leaks or constrictions. 5 the vehicles propulsion suspension steering and braking systems shall remain in adjustment and shall operate in the normal manner. 6 a pressure vessel used to absorb impact energy in an exterior protection system by the accumulation of gas pressure or hydraulic pressure shall not suffer loss of gas or fluid accompanied by separation of fragments from the vessel. 7 the vehicle shall not touch the test device except on the impact ridge shown in figures 1 and 2 with a force that exceeds 2000 pounds on the combined surfaces of planes a and b of the test device. 8 the exterior surfaces shall have no separations of surface materials paint polymeric coatings or other covering materials from the surface to which they are bonded and no permanent deviations from their original contours 30 minutes after completion of each pendulum and barrier impact except where such damage occurs to the bumper face bar and the components and associated fasteners that directly attach the bumper face bar to the chassis frame. 9 except as provided in sec. 581.5c8 there shall be no breakage or release of fasteners or joints. 42 fr 24059 may 12 1977 as amended at 42 fr 38909 aug. 1 1977; 43 fr 40231 sept. 11 1978; 47 fr 21837 may 20 1982; 64 fr 16360 apr. 5 1999; 64 fr 49092 sept. 10 1999 eisboch wrote you may be right. if i recall there is a federal mandate that the bumpers on all cars sold in the us must be able to withstand a 5 mph or maybe higher now with no or minimal damage to the vehicle. applies to rice burners as well as domestics. totaled at 5 mph i doubt it. eisboch that was many years ago. they dropped it due to auto industry pressure and i imagine to the delight of auto body shops so now bumping lightly into something solid can cause a lot of damage. i had a 280zx that had the hydraulic protectors on the front bumper and i t-boned a prelude. he was totaled and only the bumper was scratched on mine. i didnt know that. the insurance companies must have been thrilled. eisboch -----= posted via feeds.com uncensored usenet =----- http//www.feeds.com - the #1 group service in the world! -----== over 100000 groups - 19 different servers! =----- .
From : ralph nader
eisboch wrote you may be right. if i recall there is a federal mandate that the bumpers on all cars sold in the us must be able to withstand a 5 mph or maybe higher now with no or minimal damage to the vehicle. applies to rice burners as well as domestics. totaled at 5 mph i doubt it. eisboch that was many years ago. they dropped it due to auto industry pressure and i imagine to the delight of auto body shops so now bumping lightly into something solid can cause a lot of damage. i had a 280zx that had the hydraulic protectors on the front bumper and i t-boned a prelude. he was totaled and only the bumper was scratched on mine. .
From : tbone
eisboch wrote there are no pictures because it didnt happen. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand that a 5mph bump does not total a car. even a rice rocket. -- steve ========= you may be right. if i recall there is a federal mandate that the bumpers on all cars sold in the us must be able to withstand a 5 mph or maybe higher now with no or minimal damage to the vehicle. applies to rice burners as well as domestics. totaled at 5 mph i doubt it. keep doubting. the only thing thats at stake is your credibility. being that it was my vehicle and i did observe the damage post accident and have copies of the reports etc well... lol... were you in it when it was hit no car is going to get totaled at 5 mph. it may be more like 20 mph or maybe even 15 mph if the nissans bumper went under yours but even then i doubt it was totaled unless it was an old nissan and just not worth all that much. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbone
eisboch wrote you may be right. if i recall there is a federal mandate that the bumpers on all cars sold in the us must be able to withstand a 5 mph or maybe higher now with no or minimal damage to the vehicle. applies to rice burners as well as domestics. totaled at 5 mph i doubt it. eisboch that was many years ago. they dropped it due to auto industry pressure... really do you have a link that says when that happened .
From : eisboch
eisboch wrote you may be right. if i recall there is a federal mandate that the bumpers on all cars sold in the us must be able to withstand a 5 mph or maybe higher now with no or minimal damage to the vehicle. applies to rice burners as well as domestics. totaled at 5 mph i doubt it. eisboch that was many years ago. they dropped it due to auto industry pressure and i imagine to the delight of auto body shops so now bumping lightly into something solid can cause a lot of damage. i had a 280zx that had the hydraulic protectors on the front bumper and i t-boned a prelude. he was totaled and only the bumper was scratched on mine. i didnt know that. the insurance companies must have been thrilled. eisboch .
From : nitpiknitpik
this also points out to some about which brand of gas is better .. the response being that most gas comes from the nearest refinery regardless of brand. just before the heavy-driving memorial day weekend shell oil has stopped the sale of gasoline at more than 500 of its stations in the south because of high levels of sulfur that can damage vehicle fuel gauges and make an empty tank appear full. http//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5086367/ that just has to hurt the economy of the south. somebody must have missed some tank sampling penciled in results. the result is a percentage of stations that will take days to get back in service forcing drivers to other stations that may raise prices. i wonder if they are going to just drain flush and fill or if they are going to to have to chem clean. when its all clean they will fill it with decent gasoline oh nevermind its shell. -- fmb only one b in fmb .
From : fmb
weve had two different cars back into our dakota .. you can see damage to the front bumper if you look closely .. other cars suffered extensive damage in multiple hundreds of dollars. wife was waiting to turn right at a light probably the 5th or 6th car in line. she had just pulled past an exit to a shopping center and had to stop leaving plenty of room behind her for folks exiting the shopping center parking lot. a lady in a mid-90s nissan wasnt paying attention and pulled out of the exit and whacked into the dodge hitting the hitch area with her right front. she was probably going about 5 mph or so maybe a little more. damage to dodge scratched bumper. small rip in plastic bumper cover top. scratched hitch receiver. total cost to ladys ins. co. $700.00 damage to nissan totaled. watching pieces fall off the nissan inside and out the heater core ended up on the floor of the passenger footwell and the airbag let go. priceless. ;- -- ------------------------------------------------- listen we are here on earth to fart around. dont let anybody tell you any different. -kurt vonnegut jr. ------------------------------------------------------------ .
From : dale yonz
theguy theguy@myplace.com wrote on sat 29 may 2004 083653 -0600 yonzie yonzie@mac.com wrote theguy theguy@myplace.com wrote on 27 may 2004 230245 gmt mopar440@aol.comnet.org redneck tookover hell wrote you dont like drag racing better check your pulse! theguy is just another fucking idiot like his other troll buddy oh man. and i thought we were friends. you got no friends you would be surprised yonzie. very surprised. but then in a place like this i do only have a couple of friends if that is what you meant you were only a little mistaken. that is not a bad thing though yonzie. it is also not an unintended thing yonzie. but never the less............... your couple of friends are your left and right hand dale .
From : steve barker
on sun 30 may 2004 102712 -0600 dale yonz yonzie@direcway.com wrote theguy theguy@myplace.com wrote on 30 may 2004 031613 gmt mopar440@aol.comnet.org redneck tookover hell wrote you got no friends that should bring both fuckups out of the woodwork t for twiddle dee and twiddle dum well it certainly brought red the moron out of the woodwork. it couldnt hardly bring me out of the woodwork red since it was my post that he was answering. you see red that is how it works. if im already involved in the conversation it cant bring me out of the woodwork red. that phrase would be more directed at someone who is not around red......but is drawn in by whatever was said. see red that is how it works. maybe not in peeuuuuwhallop but at least in the real world red. just helping you out red. you know im just here for you man. politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. oh the fuck shut up. temper temper little yonzie. gettin your panties all blown up over nothing btw you and red seem to have the dictionary this week. .
From : eisboch
you guys have helped me before thank you now maybe someone can help me again. my trouble is it idles just fine. when i give it gas it revs to a point and will continue at that speed. when i give it more gas it cuts out and runs like crap. i replaced the fuel pump last year when it brought the wife home and wouldnt start the next day. that worked. i guess my question is.... can the pump get to where it doesnt pump enough to operate the engine at a faster revolution because it seems like im just getting a trickle out of it now. seems to me that with the input tube disconected it should shoot fuel across the backyard. it doesnt. am i looking at swapping the fuel pump again thanks for any replys. dave when was the last time you put a filter on it i put a filter on the other day. you know thinking it may be clogged. when i pulled the hose off engine side first it shot quite a bit of fuel all over. but once the pressure is gone it doesnt seem to move much gas. id hate to swap the pump again for no reason. thanks dave .
From : jeff mayner
steve barker wrote there are no pictures because it didnt happen. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand that a 5mph bump does not total a car. even a rice rocket. right. didnt happen huh i suppose youre one of those guys that say we didnt actually land on the moon cause you werent there to see it. lol... .. too bad didnt take pictures then send them off to consumer reports magazine. they always place the jap cars high on their lists dale .
From : jeff mayner
eisboch wrote there are no pictures because it didnt happen. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand that a 5mph bump does not total a car. even a rice rocket. -- steve ========= you may be right. if i recall there is a federal mandate that the bumpers on all cars sold in the us must be able to withstand a 5 mph or maybe higher now with no or minimal damage to the vehicle. applies to rice burners as well as domestics. totaled at 5 mph i doubt it. keep doubting. the only thing thats at stake is your credibility. being that it was my vehicle and i did observe the damage post accident and have copies of the reports etc well... lol... eisboch .