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Sight glass in an '01 Durango?

From : cbhvac

Q: aw. . . now ya went and destroyed your credibility. fer shame. budd hodad wrote alright! that means im the man! i do work for the govment after all! ^ hd iirc a ho-daddy was a non-surfer a member of the establishment. budd hodad wrote glad i dont live in la then! i also remember the term hodad being used in a beach boys christmas song. part of the verse was all the hodads and grimmies. must have been a reference to surfer dudes. hd here in la a hodad is a dad with a family of hoes ;- now now ignorant one. a hodad is a tool used to fight wildfires in the forest. hd .

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From : cbhvac

customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : im right

is this vehicle really stable running down the road at 135 we did that stuff in high school but we were immortal then and those optimistic 60s speedos meant 135 was more like 110. im not a wimp but after my recent accident i have become a little more realistic about my ability to grow spares for my body. ive got a 03 ram 1500 hemi and in my experience the truck is not really stable at any speed unless you have a load of cinderblocks on the bed. the speed limiter is there mainly because the ram stock tires are not rated for high speeds. also how well do the brakes work without abs the rear suspension is already so hoppy that ill bet the rears are really bad about lockup. probably no worse than non-abs though so most of us old-timers shouldnt have any problems. the hemi has four wheel disk brakes and allegedly without abs the rear locks up with a tap of brake pedal. of most concern to me though - what if any damage is possible by running the truck when it thinks its standing still does the computer utilize some sort of closed-loop algorithms to control the transmission for example if it doesnt know youve reached lockup speed will you be driving around in a constant state of slippage is that bad what else gets screwed up transmission shift points are not dependent on vehicle speed so transmission will work fine. however with the abs fuse pulled odometer will not be running either. this may cause a legal liability unless its disclosed when selling the truck odometer manipulation and will almost certainly void manufacturers warranty if discovered by the dealership. .

From : rick

i have an 03 ram 1500 club cab w/ hemi 3.92 rearend limited slip-20 wheels. the brochure stated that it was rated for 8900 lbs. the web site limits it to 7750. my brother has a gmc 1500 with the 5.3 engine. he is good for 8100 lbs. i thought dodge was best in class....what is the deal here the deal is - you didnt set the vehicle up right for towing. the 8900lbs. is the maximum a 1500 qc can be configured to tow ie. 4x2 3.92 rear 17 wheels lt-rated tires. that number goes up to 9200lbs. for a regular cab truck with the same options. im assuming you have a quad cab short bed 4x4. had you got it with the 17 wheels and lt-rated tires you could have towed up to 8550lbs. its all about the details... .

From : rick

i found a set of 20 inch rims/tires fs from a 2003. im wondering if the overall hieght is the same or near to the stock p225/75/16s om my 96 1500 they look a little taller. i definately dont want more ground clearance or speedo error. tx try this http//www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html .

From : cbhvac

you must be crying because you bought a dodge.... on sat 19 jul 2003 090741 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote wah... see the tear customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : rick

mike simmons wrote nosey i am not disputing the fact that synthetic oil has some superior properties vis a vis conventional oil. my point is do these superior properties provide any benefit to the average consumer my position is that unless you operate your vehicle under some very specific conditions synthetics are not a cost effective alternative to conventional oils. you can certainly and correctly! point out that the pour point is lower for synthetics the resistance to shear is superior with synthetics etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum however unless your application your specific use can take advantage of these superior characteristics their presence in the product is meaningless and more costly! to you. being an electrical engineer i will offer you this analogy. you have a circuit of defined voltage and ampacity. you will never intendknowingly or unknowingly to exceed these well defined parameters. based upon this information you select the proper wire gauge and insulation for the circuit. for the sake of this discussion you select a14 awg conductor with pvc insulation. this wire gauge is sufficient for the intended current and the insulation is sufficient for the environment. now i could have selected 12 awg with a ptfe insulator. the 12 awg has superior ampacity and the ptfe insulator can handle a higher ambient temperature along with a more corrosive environment. does that mean its better for some applications yes... for my application no! therefore to install this wire would a. supply me with no tangible benefit and b. prove to be more costly. the same analogy can be carried over to the argument of conventional vs. synthetic oils. your 14awg vs. 12awg analogy is more like describing the volume of oil flowing and the size of the pipe not the materials that the oil and pipe are made of. a better analogy might have covered aluminum vs. copper conductors and dissimilar metal corrosion. hope this clarifies my position. mike .

From : jerry

im looking for 3 un-used spares from 00- 01 dodge 3/4 ton trucks to match up with my spare. located near spokane wa so long.... =9b=9b=9b=9b=9b=9b=a0eldon ; http//community.webtv.net/ejutah/acpictures http//community.webtv.net/sodakid2/allallischalmers .

From : thund3rstruck

has anyone experienced a leak when it rains on your rear window just noticed i have a leak on my rear window around the light but not sure if that is where it is coming from if you did what did you do to fix it thanks. .

From : thund3rstruck

sure its the law that you recover if you have to do a repair. but the law also say that you can add refrigerant to top off a system. but we are not talking about a shop we are talking about an individual wanting to top off his system. toping off a system in not a hack. and as far a real floridians go their are plenty of them. most of them stay here and never leave. it just happens to be such a great place that people move here more then they do to any other state. i just hope no on comes to the group and ask about putting oil in their engine. if they do i am sure you will tell them that you cant top it off the oil. you will tell them that they have to drain it and replace it with the factory specified amount because there is no way to get the correct amount of oil in the engine with out doing it that way. but you just keep everything secret and dont every let any one know that they can do anything for their self. always make everything sound scary and too hard to do for the average guy. that way you can keep the doors to you little business open. oh and i am sure us floridians know a little more about air conditioning then most seeing how its above 80 degrees here 10 months out of the year. so hack that. rick ok..rick... first i dont run a repair shop...i am out of the mvac area..but its the law that you must recover...period. i am required by law to have a recovery machine as is every damn ac repair shop. and it must be listed with the epa and certified. i also have to have a drum for every refrigerant i deal with....r12 mp39 416a nu22 r22 134a...yes...134a... in the world i live in we dont hack our stuff in but do it right. i guess things down your way are different.... that explains why there are so few real floridians eh you hacks done run em out. the fact is recovery system are a great way for repair shops to justify the high prices they charge. bullshit...lie #1. its the law....the high prices are charged due to normal biz costs associated with a real licenced shop. we cant help it if you dont know what insurance is. i am no longer a mechanic thank god...you would be paying epa fines out the ass with your thinking.. as i have moved on to a cleaner career. but living in florida i have charged thousands of systems without a recover unit. i have too...and had you not tried to take it out of context a recovery unit is not always needed but when the system is partially charged you must by law recover the charge..it does not matter if you are licenced or not...venting is illegal. and a recover unit will not tell you where the leak is. no..it sure as hell wont skippy...your hg10 or cps or inficon will....wait...lemmie guess...you didnt have those either.. it will not tell you if you have a bad compressor...clogged filter..or if the fan for the condenser is working no shit skippy. . you need to know the workings of a a/c system and how to check those thing. this is the real world and sometime things get done differently then they do in a lab. i am not saying that anybody should charge there system. but to say you need a recovery system is just ridiculous. nah...saying it is the law is fact. saying you sound like a hack is a fact...and saying that you prob cant charge a system correctly to work at 100% in the real world is fact. why not. i have done this many time before with no problems. you dont have a site glass to tell you when its full but if you use your other sense sight hearing and touch you can tell when it full. you just have to use common sense. rick sigh.. no rick its not that simple..if its that simple...get started. go ahead..start charging her up.. you asked a question and you got the correct answer not one time but twice. we hear things like this every freaking day. a sight glass does not tell you when its full. fact. you cant not use your other senses to tell when its charged. fact...unless you consider sight...meaning you are looking at the scale that tells you when you have added enough or you have added enough cans to exactly equal the factory charge and thats damn hard since its rare you can hit it dead on with a 12oz can. more things than low charge can create a no cool condition. overcharge for example. tev not working correctly. blower not up to speed...blend doors not open or closed correctly...clogged filters...bad compressor.. and*if* if is low where is the leak head pressures are ok right the fan for the condensors working like it needs to head pressures tell you this and much more. again...a sight glass on a 134a system is useless. its also useless contrary to popular non trained belief on a stationary system. ambient temps can make a system appear to be full when its not even close and they can also make a system look low when its overcharged. depending on the metering device you may or may not see bubble

From : rick

thund3rstruck wrote thund3rstruck rambled on about something in not if done in accordance to the rules aka the law. the law iirc doesnt specify between a person or a shop. however in order to get the right refrigerant dont you need a license not at all ............ check the automotive section at your local walmart the next time you are in there. someone was jumping up and down about a year ago yelling that was going to stop real soon but they still have the stuff on the shelves everywhere. jerry -- character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. .

From : james1549

i wonder why they sell that stuff at wal-mart. maybe so you can top off the refrigerant in your system. huh can you imagine that. thund3rstruck wrote thund3rstruck rambled on about something in not if done in accordance to the rules aka the law. the law iirc doesnt specify between a person or a shop. however in order to get the right refrigerant dont you need a license not at all ............ check the automotive section at your local walmart the next time you are in there. someone was jumping up and down about a year ago yelling that was going to stop real soon but they still have the stuff on the shelves everywhere. jerry -- character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. .

From : rick

while your at it throw in a k&n drop in. you will really feel the power w/ no muffler and a k&n! that should be worth 50hp. really i find it hard to believe there is that much of a noticeable difference w/o the muffler. but i bet it does sound mean! matt kinsinger wrote i bought a gibson supertruck yesterday today i took my muffler and tailpipe off. only took 10/15 minutes. i had to hear it no muffler so i started it up. wow. amazing. you should all try it yourselves it such a quick thing. so i decided to leave it that way for the night. it has gotten faster every minute. top end power on the highway is so much better. im finally getting some low end improvements too as i have about 20 or so miles with no muffler. its great. i will tell you how the supertruck sounds when i get it on but i am enjoying no muffler at the moment. its too loud for the neighbors though so i wont keep it this way long but i am headed to the dsm shootout in the morning and may drive it that way there. well see but in the meantime best 15 minutes ive ever spent. .

From : cbhvac

you know...same goes for you...moron... gotta love newbies... oh....and go fuck yourself..too..thats my new line for the weekend..you can join the rest of them that want to start shit but cant back it up... people have asked you for details..you net nanny crybaby.. deal with it...had you posted your issues in a logical manner named names and told us of your problems someone...hint might have told you how to go about fixing it....but instead you wanna bitch about how *i* feel i could give a shit less about your service as mines always stellar with chrysler...sorry if you cant deal with it.. however if you are gonna whine and bitch and cry and try to make us feel sorry for you consider this.. i have been here for years...come and go...see..its not like i really read this damn thing every day..you say you whined in another post about your problems...ever once consider that we didnt see it damn..you self servicing whore...you wanna cry you want us to hold your hand but you are not willing to tellus about it no wonder chrysler told you to piss up a rope. i bet they got as much information out of you as we did. hey cbhvac who made you the boss of this group. ive seen more post from you jumping on others for what they post. if you dont like what we say dont read it! on sat 19 jul 2003 172513 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote well....its sure obvious that schools out...the kiddies are out in force.. roy...0 steve-2 lol! where does your isp make the person. heck i have been on these groups since before aol and comcast and when you were still in diapers. on sat 19 jul 2003 152437 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote aol kicked them off maybe budd cbhvac wrote lol..nope...got a fleet of fords...funny for a guy that has family with chrysler.. actually i find it to the point of laughter with tears that you posted this drivel in a dodge group. no one cares here what you do..what you spend your money on...or what you think of the product. while there are some that will try to make you feel all warm and fuzy about your post the majorty will not.. jesus..why are all the fucking morons from comcast you must be crying because you bought a dodge.... on sat 19 jul 2003 090741 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote wah... see the tear customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : cbhvac

rick rambled on about something in wmnsa.33838$k85.1565022@twister.tampabay.rr.com sure its the law that you recover if you have to do a repair. but the law also say that you can add refrigerant to top off a system. the law is there for a reason. ever stop to think about that for a bit the law also states that if there is a known leak it has to be repaired.... sheesh.. but we are not talking about a shop we are talking about an individual wanting to top off his system. toping off a system in not a hack. not if done in accordance to the rules aka the law. the law iirc doesnt specify between a person or a shop. however in order to get the right refrigerant dont you need a license r134a...stock up..the epa is gonna slide it in soon to the list.. and as far a real floridians go their are plenty of them. most of them stay here and never leave. it just happens to be such a great place that people move here more then they do to any other state. been there liked to visit but i wouldnt want to live there. however thats persona preference. g no shit.. i just hope no on comes to the group and ask about putting oil in their engine. if they do i am sure you will tell them that you cant top it off the oil. you will tell them that they have to drain it and replace it with the factory specified amount because there is no way to get the correct amount of oil in the engine with out doing it that way. apples and oranges. besides engine oil is not considered to be a cfc by the epa. but you just keep everything secret and dont every let any one know that they can do anything for their self. always make everything sound scary and too hard to do for the average guy. that way you can keep the doors to you little business open. if you really knew the fellow youre flaming you will understand that hes one of the more helpful hvac guys around these parts. oh and i am sure us floridians know a little more about air conditioning then most seeing how its above 80 degrees here 10 months out of the year. so hack that. rick rick...i learned my trade in a place that hits over 100f in march. the heat index there was over 145f last week...it should drop back into the low 90s by december...it was over 100 on my wedding day....dec 5th.. its been breaking 101f all week here and we have had 95%rh... no..i doubt very seriously you can compete here... by that logic redmond wa should know more about computers and detriot know more about cars. too bad it doesnt work that way in the real world... noi .

From : cbhvac

i suggest that you read up on whats changed since the montreal protocol was first signed.. you got a lot to learn.. nuff said in that.. oh... still a fuckin hack. sure its the law that you recover if you have to do a repair. but the law also say that you can add refrigerant to top off a system. but we are not talking about a shop we are talking about an individual wanting to top off his system. toping off a system in not a hack. and as far a real floridians go their are plenty of them. most of them stay here and never leave. it just happens to be such a great place that people move here more then they do to any other state. i just hope no on comes to the group and ask about putting oil in their engine. if they do i am sure you will tell them that you cant top it off the oil. you will tell them that they have to drain it and replace it with the factory specified amount because there is no way to get the correct amount of oil in the engine with out doing it that way. but you just keep everything secret and dont every let any one know that they can do anything for their self. always make everything sound scary and too hard to do for the average guy. that way you can keep the doors to you little business open. oh and i am sure us floridians know a little more about air conditioning then most seeing how its above 80 degrees here 10 months out of the year. so hack that. rick ok..rick... first i dont run a repair shop...i am out of the mvac area..but its the law that you must recover...period. i am required by law to have a recovery machine as is every damn ac repair shop. and it must be listed with the epa and certified. i also have to have a drum for every refrigerant i deal with....r12 mp39 416a nu22 r22 134a...yes...134a... in the world i live in we dont hack our stuff in but do it right. i guess things down your way are different.... that explains why there are so few real floridians eh you hacks done run em out. the fact is recovery system are a great way for repair shops to justify the high prices they charge. bullshit...lie #1. its the law....the high prices are charged due to normal biz costs associated with a real licenced shop. we cant help it if you dont know what insurance is. i am no longer a mechanic thank god...you would be paying epa fines out the ass with your thinking.. as i have moved on to a cleaner career. but living in florida i have charged thousands of systems without a recover unit. i have too...and had you not tried to take it out of context a recovery unit is not always needed but when the system is partially charged you must by law recover the charge..it does not matter if you are licenced or not...venting is illegal. and a recover unit will not tell you where the leak is. no..it sure as hell wont skippy...your hg10 or cps or inficon will....wait...lemmie guess...you didnt have those either.. it will not tell you if you have a bad compressor...clogged filter..or if the fan for the condenser is working no shit skippy. . you need to know the workings of a a/c system and how to check those thing. this is the real world and sometime things get done differently then they do in a lab. i am not saying that anybody should charge there system. but to say you need a recovery system is just ridiculous. nah...saying it is the law is fact. saying you sound like a hack is a fact...and saying that you prob cant charge a system correctly to work at 100% in the real world is fact. why not. i have done this many time before with no problems. you dont have a site glass to tell you when its full but if you use your other sense sight hearing and touch you can tell when it full. you just have to use common sense. rick sigh.. no rick its not that simple..if its that simple...get started. go ahead..start charging her up.. you asked a question and you got the correct answer not one time but twice. we hear things like this every freaking day. a sight glass does not tell you when its full. fact. you cant not use your other senses to tell when its charged. fact...unless you consider sight...meaning you are looking at the scale that tells you when you have added enough or you have added enough cans to exactly equal the factory charge and thats damn hard since its rare you can hit it dead on with a 12oz can. more things than low charge can create a no cool condition. overcharge for example. tev not working correctly. blower not up to speed...blend doors not open or closed correctly...clogged filters...bad compressor.. and*if* if is low where is the leak head pressures are ok right the fan for the condensors working like it needs to head pressures tell you this and much more. again...a sight glass on a 134a system is useless. its also useless contrary to popular non trained belief on a stationary system. amb

From : neil nelson

i thought you drive a fleet fords love it when i person cant remember what he writes. also im not going away so go ahead a keep firing away. on sun 20 jul 2003 010006 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote you know...same goes for you...moron... gotta love newbies... oh....and go fuck yourself..too..thats my new line for the weekend..you can join the rest of them that want to start shit but cant back it up... people have asked you for details..you net nanny crybaby.. deal with it...had you posted your issues in a logical manner named names and told us of your problems someone...hint might have told you how to go about fixing it....but instead you wanna bitch about how *i* feel i could give a shit less about your service as mines always stellar with chrysler...sorry if you cant deal with it.. however if you are gonna whine and bitch and cry and try to make us feel sorry for you consider this.. i have been here for years...come and go...see..its not like i really read this damn thing every day..you say you whined in another post about your problems...ever once consider that we didnt see it damn..you self servicing whore...you wanna cry you want us to hold your hand but you are not willing to tellus about it no wonder chrysler told you to piss up a rope. i bet they got as much information out of you as we did. hey cbhvac who made you the boss of this group. ive seen more post from you jumping on others for what they post. if you dont like what we say dont read it! on sat 19 jul 2003 172513 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote well....its sure obvious that schools out...the kiddies are out in force.. roy...0 steve-2 lol! where does your isp make the person. heck i have been on these groups since before aol and comcast and when you were still in diapers. on sat 19 jul 2003 152437 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote aol kicked them off maybe budd cbhvac wrote lol..nope...got a fleet of fords...funny for a guy that has family with chrysler.. actually i find it to the point of laughter with tears that you posted this drivel in a dodge group. no one cares here what you do..what you spend your money on...or what you think of the product. while there are some that will try to make you feel all warm and fuzy about your post the majorty will not.. jesus..why are all the fucking morons from comcast you must be crying because you bought a dodge.... on sat 19 jul 2003 090741 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote wah... see the tear customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : paul jensen

so you believe that since it changes size with the seasons it cant be in jeopardy by releasing cfcs its in greater jeopardy due to nature. .

From : paul jensen

spweiler767 wrote i still have this problem on my 01. the dealer even went as far as replacing the front axle. my brother had this and they changed out the steering box solved it for him. but my problem is still going on. i am on the stock tires. will drop a nite here if i ever get it taken care of. my 01 pulls slightly to the right as well. dealer as expected says everything is within specs. gets tiring on long trips. .

From : trey

that would be a yamaha v8. and a yamaha v6 before the v8. they really were awesome engines but they were ford/yamaha half breed engines thats why so many failed. plus it was bolted into a ford. would you cooperate if you were bolted to a ford i didnt think so ;- yeah go buy a ferd thats the one with the defective ignition switches that keep catching the vehicles on fire3 of them here in houston in the last couple of months and oh yeah also the great taurus sho with 30000 defective camshafts in the jap suzuki v8s . did i mention the cracking exhaust headers or the cracking intake manifolds. gimme a trashy dodge any day my 89 250 has over 250000 miles on it and still runs like new. yeah go get a ferd stand for fucked up old dodge and while yer at it get some of that top dollar sythetic stuff and a couple of those k&n thingies and also you might want one of those little plastic dogs with the bobbely head. bye! joe on sat 19 jul 2003 125138 gmt dault@removeattbi.com wrote customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : neil nelson

yes thats easy to do! i can also change my user info and be right back but i dont play that way. anybody can disagree with my posting all they want but when you attack a person you have crossed the line of groups etiquette. on sun 20 jul 2003 123247 -0500 paul jensen pjensen@gnt.net wrote budd try and toss me out! all he has to do is put you on his block sender list then he wont have to see your posts. he can toss you out as far as hes concerned. dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : neil nelson

paul jensen pjensen@gnt.net wrote venting of cfcs is about the destruction of the ozone layer of our atmosphere and the increase in the number of cases of skin cancer. global warming is about the increase of the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and the climatological changes that would occur. two different animals. uv radiation versus ir radiation. oh yeah the ozone. ozone layer actually. fairly important part of the atmosphere. were destroying that with our air conditioners and charcoal grills. charcoal grills just as long as the politicians feel good about themselves because theyve done something to solve problems whether theyre real or not. you have evidence to the contrary .

From : tbone

actually there is a c in schraeder valve along with an e. now that you mention it there is even two bs and an a in probably along with a u s and an i in business. ^ mike everybody likes a little ass.... nobody likes a smartass! ^ rangerbill@hotmail.com writes i have a 97 dodge ram - 1500 4x4 with a slow leak in the low pressure service port. i cant seem to find a replacement on the web... can anyone please point me in the right direction it is the schrader valve that seems to be the culprit. i do not want to add the quick fix sealer... just replace the valve while i have the pressure of zero. any help would be appreciated. bill i dont think theres any c in the word. shrader valve is how ive always seen it. i cant imagine why a good auto parts store wouldnt have what you need. however if youve lost all pressure you prolly need to pump it down and prolly even replace the drier. nows when you need a good buddy in the auto a/c bidness. .

From : tbone

this is all very understandable but it still does not address the issue that the truck has sat there for days and the service department will not give him an answer as to what is going on. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving neil your analysis is spot-on. i the problem however i fear is our society. this was demonstrated to me several years ago by a bumper sticker i saw on a lexus..... its all about me! this was reinforced several weeks ago by a gentlemen who was in my office complaining that we couldnt work on his car right away. i explained that there were people who had called ahead for an appointment who needed to be attended to first. he said bluntly and without hesitation well put me ahead of them!. mike dperez@junonospam.com wrote so if im understanding this topic correctly i dont think you are. the problem is that there are so many broken down dodges sitting at dealers that theyve got enough work and dont have any impetus to treat the customer any better than they absolutely have to... no its more like the customer whos vehicle broke first and called and made an appointment first gets his/her vehicle serviced first. the ones who broke last and called and made an appointment last get their vehicle serviced last. which would explain why when i went into the local selling dealer which i havent been to in 4 1/2 years since they last screwed up a repair on my truck and requested that a technician accompany me for a test drive to verify a torque converter lock/unlock problem that was presenting at that moment... they were too busy... suppose that it was -your- vehicle that mechanic was working on and joe blow walked in without being properly scheduled asking to interupt the mechanic working on your vehicle and now completion of your vehicle has been delayed and it wont be ready when it was originally promised how would you feel about that suppose that interupting the mechanic while he was working on your vehicle caused him to lose track of where he was in the procedure and the repair turned out less than satisfactory how would you feel about that suppose that interupting the mechanic working on your vehicle means he gets to the parts counter one minute after the 3 pm cut off for parts delivery and now instead of getting the part on the overnite shipment and having your vehicle back on the road by 10 am the next day there is going to be another whole day delay before the part arrives how would you feel about that so ill find a different dealer again and with a little luck itll be another 4 1/2 years before i go back in there... oh and while i agree that some customers have a poor attitude at dealers it would be very good for the dealer to remember that those same customers will recommend that their friends family acquaintances and co-workers buy from that dealer or from a different one. and 1 pissed off customer will tell a whole lot more people about their shabby treatment than a happy one will tell of their good treatment... well this could easily include the person who -should- have been served -first- because they were there -first- but got bumped or their repair was delayed because of an interuption. so; who do you try to satisfy the person who made an appointment and showed up on time or the person who walks in with unrealistic expectations and demands more importantly who do you think that shop -wants- as a customer .

From : cbhvac

on sun 20 jul 2003 185611 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote i love it when a dumbass takes something and tries to make it more than it is.. i have fords.....i do indeed and had you been around a while you would know who i am what i did and how many dodge vans we have and why. maybe you should read between the lines. who made this out to be more than it is/was i never called anybody name etc. just stated a point on how i felt about dodge. thats ok....the guy that you need to talk to could be family on my end for all you know...some in here do...but..you wont. i dont believe you have any family in the car business up here but if you do i hope its not one of the dealers i was working with. i know what i wrote...i just wish you would explain your problem..other than the mental issues that are obvious to everyone..... what mental issues im not the one jumping on a person for posting a simple message never have or never will in my 20+ years on the net. want to really know my problem with dodge dealers ok here goes. around the 3rd week of june i decided to replace my 96 dakota with a 03 and felt it should be any easy 4-5 day deal. went on the internet and found all the items i wanted on the truck plus invoice cost. so i had a good idea what i wanted to spend. went to gage chrysler dodge to see what we could come up with gave them the options i wanted plus 4 colors i wanted. they claim to have found a silver one at a dealer on the east side of the state and the price was within my target. two days later i decide to check with family auto center to see what they had in stock or could find seeing they were in my home time. it was late at night and they only spent a little while checking and came up empty. the funny thing was gage said there were plenty of v-8s around and family claimed v-8s would be hard to find. returned to family 2 days later to get a price but after over an hour the only thing i got was go to gage and well beat their deal. i had explained to both dealers i wanted their best price now i did not want to go back and forth making deals. gage did give me a final offer. so seeing they did what i had asked i agreed to buy the truck they found. 5 days later june 30th they call and inform me the dealer they had the agreement with had sold the truck. the tell me over the phone they had found another one for $300 more with everything i wanted the extra $300 was for power seat. i said i would take that truck seeing $300 more was not that bad. i dropped everything and drove the 15 miles one way to the dealer to make the deal but when i arrived i looked overt he invoice and discovered that the truck did not have heavy duty and tow package so that made the truck almost $800 more. did not buy the truck and was told i would miss out on the $500 trade-in rebate. 3 days later gage calls again and told me they found a blue dakota that had what i was looking for and i asked them to fax me the invoice to look over. they agreed but for the 2nd time this salesman made a comment about spending too much time on this deal. after thinking over it for a few hours i called gage back and told them the deal was off i didnt want to take up more of his time. isnt it their job to spend time on the customer plus i was the one spending time driving to the dealership each time. now i returned to family to try again finding a dakota i liked. after a few hours searching the computers they found one that almost fit my wants. they claimed it did not have the tow package or heavy duty group. the salesman claimed all dakotas have the transmission cooler and the hd group was only a heavy duty radiator. so i thought it would be easy to add the tow package myself and agreed to buy the truck. once the truck arrived i once again asked about the tc and was told they do not have one at least not for towing. seeing it was no going to be possible to find one with the tc i agreed to buy the truck anyways. once i bought the truck i found out both packages i wanted could have been added to this truck at the dealer for around $500. now the reasons im upset with dodge are 1. why didnt any of the salesman know back in june that these options could be added on. the $500 rebate i lost would have paid for these options on the truck i bought. there was at least 2-3 salesmen working with me at each dealer. 2. why can a dealer sell a truck that is promised to another dealer isnt their word important to any customer even if its at another dealership. 3. after making the deal with family at 4.25% when i went to get the truck they wanted to charge me 4.7%. when i started to walk out they claimed they found a coupon that would bring it down to 4.29%. why do they get a kickback for higher interest there are a few other reasons i was upset but they are small compared to the above. one was addition

From : paul jensen

the funny thing was gage said there were plenty of v-8s around and family claimed v-8s would be hard to find. two dealers saying just the opposite. now theres a red flag. they agreed but for the 2nd time this salesman made a comment about spending too much time on this deal. that was a stupid thing for the salesman to say. i may have tried to find another salesman to work with there. and i would have stayed with the same salesman at each dealership instead of using two or three different ones unless someone said something stupid like they were spending too much time on the deal. 2. why can a dealer sell a truck that is promised to another dealer isnt their word important to any customer even if its at another dealership. i wouldnt think any vehicle would be held for anyone without a deposit. i purchased my dakota two months ago on a friday night. someone else wanted it bad but had financial problems upside down with toyota he was trying to trade and had to wait until monday morning for his bank to open and didnt put down a deposit that would have held the truck for him. i could do the deal on the spot so that truck is now sitting in my driveway. im sure that other guy was pretty upset on monday morning but he wasnt ready to close the deal and i was. 3. after making the deal with family at 4.25% when i went to get the truck they wanted to charge me 4.7%. thats not good either. this may be a stupid question but why not order the truck since you were so specific as to what you wanted it sounds like family tried some moves on you but am not sure what gage is guilty of. it sounds like the trucks they located were not on their lot - they belonged to other dealers. those are just a few of my thoughts off the top. explaining your situation should get you better responses that just saying dc and their dealers have poor customer service so youre getting a ford. maybe others can learn from your experience. that is one purpose for this forum. .

From : neil nelson

on mon 21 jul 2003 014504 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote beekeep wrote on sun 20 jul 2003 150537 gmt budd cochran while tied to to his computer by his kids so he wouldnt wander off mr-d150@citlink.net wrote sniped the bullshit i dont think a 25 year old model could make you happy. one big difference between us greg i have a moral code i live by and im faithful to my wife. a moral code with all the lies you post here give me a break. i never asked you to be unfaithful i was just making the point that you are one miserable bastard. one can put 12 hives 16x22 in the back of my van. seeing as i wouldnt try to pick one up over 125 pounds there is no way i would overload a 3/4 ton truck. where did i say you had to leave it assembled you want to put unassembled hives full of bees into a van when i was in the honey business all my hives were here on the farm within 100 feet of the honey house. so any honey hauling that you are talking about is just your wandering mind trying to stir up some shit. nope you said it and now your lying your way out of it but with no morals thats to be expected. you just love to make up crap about me with absolutely nothing to back it up. i dont have to you do it to yourself every time you open your mouth about that van. sort of like the lie you started that i wished you dead. you cant prove any of it. you said hang it from the rafter and you said you hoped it fell on me and killed me. right or will you lie out of it again wrong i dont know if you are just to phucken stupid to do a google search or just know that you have made it all up so there is no use. the net result is the same - you cant prove any of it. i dont have to. you said you hauled honey and hives and you said you did overload it. you said you hoped the engine fell on me. wrong again i think the hot desert sun out there in utah has fried your mind. i think you burned yours out with booze and drugs. . .if you ever had one. beekeep ps honey weighs 1.5 times that of water. i figured it was heavier so you needed only 2/3 as much in volume as you would have needed in water. . .so it was easier to overload it. yeah budd i fill my van about half full of honey take all my cloths off then i crawl through the window and swim around in it. then i throw myself into bed with a bunch of lesbians! i just hope that if i get like you i roll over and drop dead. beekeep .

From : bob donnelly

for those of you who missed this in the thread i did finally post the story. want to really know my problem with dodge dealers ok here goes. around the 3rd week of june i decided to replace my 96 dakota with a 03 and felt it should be any easy 4-5 day deal. went on the internet and found all the items i wanted on the truck plus invoice cost. so i had a good idea what i wanted to spend. went to gage chrysler dodge to see what we could come up with gave them the options i wanted plus 4 colors i wanted. they claim to have found a silver one at a dealer on the east side of the state and the price was within my target. two days later i decide to check with family auto center to see what they had in stock or could find seeing they were in my home time. it was late at night and they only spent a little while checking and came up empty. the funny thing was gage said there were plenty of v-8s around and family claimed v-8s would be hard to find. returned to family 2 days later to get a price but after over an hour the only thing i got was go to gage and well beat their deal. i had explained to both dealers i wanted their best price now i did not want to go back and forth making deals. gage did give me a final offer. so seeing they did what i had asked i agreed to buy the truck they found. 5 days later june 30th they call and inform me the dealer they had the agreement with had sold the truck. the tell me over the phone they had found another one for $300 more with everything i wanted the extra $300 was for power seat. i said i would take that truck seeing $300 more was not that bad. i dropped everything and drove the 15 miles one way to the dealer to make the deal but when i arrived i looked overt he invoice and discovered that the truck did not have heavy duty and tow package so that made the truck almost $800 more. did not buy the truck and was told i would miss out on the $500 trade-in rebate. 3 days later gage calls again and told me they found a blue dakota that had what i was looking for and i asked them to fax me the invoice to look over. they agreed but for the 2nd time this salesman made a comment about spending too much time on this deal. after thinking over it for a few hours i called gage back and told them the deal was off i didnt want to take up more of his time. isnt it their job to spend time on the customer plus i was the one spending time driving to the dealership each time. now i returned to family to try again finding a dakota i liked. after a few hours searching the computers they found one that almost fit my wants. they claimed it did not have the tow package or heavy duty group. the salesman claimed all dakotas have the transmission cooler and the hd group was only a heavy duty radiator. so i thought it would be easy to add the tow package myself and agreed to buy the truck. once the truck arrived i once again asked about the tc and was told they do not have one at least not for towing. seeing it was no going to be possible to find one with the tc i agreed to buy the truck anyways. once i bought the truck i found out both packages i wanted could have been added to this truck at the dealer for around $500. now the reasons im upset with dodge are 1. why didnt any of the salesman know back in june that these options could be added on. the $500 rebate i lost would have paid for these options on the truck i bought. there was at least 2-3 salesmen working with me at each dealer. 2. why can a dealer sell a truck that is promised to another dealer isnt their word important to any customer even if its at another dealership. 3. after making the deal with family at 4.25% when i went to get the truck they wanted to charge me 4.7%. when i started to walk out they claimed they found a coupon that would bring it down to 4.29%. why do they get a kickback for higher interest there are a few other reasons i was upset but they are small compared to the above. one was addition errors in the original had written agrement they gave me. i ate the $50 one but they let the $300 one go. yes maybe i was wrong to buy the truck and not wait for 04s. i didnt want to wait just in case the $3000 rebate would be gone and interest would climb. also i had the funny feeling my 96 might developed some problems if i waited. i did during the trade but they agreed to stick with the deal. it started leaking antifreeze while they had it at the used car shop. sorry for the long note but you asked for my reasons. if you think im wrong for feeling the way i do then go ahead a reply but dont attack me personally. dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .