SRW --> DRW
From : nathan w collier
Q: im really pleased with my 2008 3500 srw cummins 4x4. trading my 05 for the 08 was the smartest move ive ever made truck wise. that said i really do wish i had bought a dually instead of the srw. when pulling my camper fully loaded http//img70.imageshack.us/img70/2254/75251359iy8.jpg im a couple hundred pounds over my rear gawr. it probably shouldnt bother me but it does. at this point i have two options; trade up for a dually or convert this truck to a dually. im not against a conversion if it can be done to look oem without having to replace the axles that have all of 3300 miles on them! but i hear dually axles are a different length. is it possible to do a dually conversion that looks oem without replacing my axles i dont mind buying aftermarket wheels for the conversion so long as it looks factory....otherwise ill trade up next year when the big trucks get the updated body style. thanks -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//p7talk.com http//ppstalk.com .
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From : nathan w collier
wrong. gawr is based on the axle housing springs and brakes it is equipped with. the axle in my 3500 dodge is rated for nearly 11000#. the gawr is 6200# because of the tire limits. there is no difference in the springs or brakes from the srw to drw and the axle has the same 11000# rating as the drw. so because they admit to running illegal and unsafe makes it ok to you! why are you going out of your way to be an asshole i never said anything was ok. realistically there is no concern on my part for going over 200#. many pull the same camper that i have raptor 3612 with 3/4 ton trucks all over the country read rv.net. realistically i fear no issues so if i thought it was ok i wouldnt have asked the question to begin with. explain that one when you get stopped. youre stupid. bet they dont give you a warning. name one person who has ever been ticketed for towing beneath what they were licensed to tow. .....here comes the my brothers friends sister story. lol. i know of at least 3 different folks who were retired who are now back on the job paying for lawsuits when they hit another vehicle and the insurance company looked at the weight ratings and said no. now youre a liar too. rolling eyes they didnt cover anything because the people were operating and illegal vehicle. quote one case number to substantiate your ridiculous claim. just one ill wait a few days for it. there are over 50000 members on rv.net who tow campers. at least 90% of them are over one limit or another read the forum if you dont believe it. find one of them who has suffered the sky is falling claims youre making. wrong. if your vehicle has a build plate that says 22k and your loaded to 24k you are 1k overloaded and illegal it doesnt matter what you have the vehicle registered for. bullshit. prove it. show me where the dot has ever ticketed anyone for towing less than what they were licensed to tow. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//p7talk.com http//ppstalk.com .
From : fmb
i can attest that campers do occasionally get weighed. have you any details about it at all i mean had they caused an accident leading to being weighed all that said it doesnt matter what your gvwr is. the dot is only making certain that your vehicle is licensed to carry the amount of weight that you are pulling. if your license plate says you are licensed for 26000# which i am it doesnt matter if you are pulling it with a 4 cylinder toyota as far as the dot is concerned. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//p7talk.com http//ppstalk.com no accident the dot guy just rolled it across the scales. michael iirc when i was in kansas in july there were signs inviting me to come on in and get weighed at the scales. i dont remember the exact verbiage but i drive an 03 2500 ctd and pull a 25 artic fox 5th wheel and truely believe that particular sign was a direct invite to me and other rv type folks with trailers. i cant report on weights or weighing or wether it was us dot or kansas dot looked like a regular weigh station cause it was closed as i passed on by. fmb north mexico which may be reclaimed for the us by the hottest gov from the coldest state .
From : christopher d thompson
on sat 06 sep 2008 145341 -0400 nosey wrote drw is worlds better for trailer towing hands down. i wont argue drw is better for towing overall but if youre towing from a reciever the srw usually has a higer combined rating. no argument here i did say that you lose gross trailer weight adding the drw. but not much. -- chris .
From : nosey
drw is worlds better for trailer towing hands down. i wont argue drw is better for towing overall but if youre towing from a reciever the srw usually has a higer combined rating. -- ken .
From : steve w
nathan w. collier wrote uh changing to duals is not going to change the gawr. gawr is based on the weight rating on the tires. having 4 tires bearing the load instead of 2 increases the hauling capacity even if it doesnt change the rating. wrong. gawr is based on the axle housing springs and brakes it is equipped with. also towing over the rated weight of the axle is not a smart thing to do. ....why do you think im looking at either converting or trading for a dually go through an area that has a dot station and the fine is very steep. not a realistic concern. go to rv.net and find one person whos ever had their truck and camper weighed by the dot. in fact read that forum. id bet you that 90%+ of truck/camper combinations you see on the road are over weight and most of those are grossly over weight. my truck has a rear gawr of 6200#. fully loaded on the scales my rear axle weight is 6400#. the axle itself is rated for 11000# but the tires are only rated around 3200# each which is why the gawr is 6200# instead of what the actual axle is rated for. so because they admit to running illegal and unsafe makes it ok to you! explain that one when you get stopped. bet they dont give you a warning. and you better have a lot of insurance on that rig. i know of at least 3 different folks who were retired who are now back on the job paying for lawsuits when they hit another vehicle and the insurance company looked at the weight ratings and said no. they didnt cover anything because the people were operating and illegal vehicle. oh and i have seen many campers on the scales. ohio texas kansas pa new york arizona and florida have all run rvs over the scales. those are the ones i knew of a few years ago. i would bet that a few have been added to that number now. ...so ill probably just end up trading next year. all that said it doesnt matter what your gvwr is. the dot is only making certain that your vehicle is licensed to carry the amount of weight that you are pulling. if your license plate says you are licensed for 26000# which i am it doesnt matter if you are pulling it with a 4 cylinder toyota as far as the dot is concerned. wrong. if your vehicle has a build plate that says 22k and your loaded to 24k you are 1k overloaded and illegal it doesnt matter what you have the vehicle registered for. same thing applies the other way as well if your license says you can drive up to 26k gcwr but your driving a a vehicle rated to tow 16k and pulling a trailer rated at 12k your illegal even if the trailer is empty. federal law for those is on the site listed below. oh and fyi you may want to look at the dot site and see if you are required to have a dot number on that truck. many vehicles with truck commercial or other plates than passenger do. http//www.fmcsa.dot.gov/ -- steve w. near cooperstown new york .
From : nunya
snip go through an area that has a dot station and the fine is very steep. not a realistic concern. go to rv.net and find one person whos ever had their truck and camper weighed by the dot. in fact read that forum. id bet you that 90%+ of truck/camper combinations you see on the road are over weight and most of those are grossly over weight. my truck has a rear gawr of 6200#. fully loaded on the scales my rear axle weight is 6400#. the axle itself is rated for 11000# but the tires are only rated around 3200# each which is why the gawr is 6200# instead of what the actual axle is rated for. ...so ill probably just end up trading next year. -- nathan in montana it was either arizona or new mexico but i can attest that campers do occasionally get weighed. michael .
From : nathan w collier
uh changing to duals is not going to change the gawr. gawr is based on the weight rating on the tires. having 4 tires bearing the load instead of 2 increases the hauling capacity even if it doesnt change the rating. also towing over the rated weight of the axle is not a smart thing to do. .....why do you think im looking at either converting or trading for a dually go through an area that has a dot station and the fine is very steep. not a realistic concern. go to rv.net and find one person whos ever had their truck and camper weighed by the dot. in fact read that forum. id bet you that 90%+ of truck/camper combinations you see on the road are over weight and most of those are grossly over weight. my truck has a rear gawr of 6200#. fully loaded on the scales my rear axle weight is 6400#. the axle itself is rated for 11000# but the tires are only rated around 3200# each which is why the gawr is 6200# instead of what the actual axle is rated for. ....so ill probably just end up trading next year. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//p7talk.com http//ppstalk.com .
From : christopher d thompson
on sat 06 sep 2008 082609 -0400 bill wrote i thought you could legally tow more with the srw because the dually weighs more. as far as the feel i wouldnt know how it would handle. gross trailer weight your right but the drw has a higher payload capacity thus a higher pin weight. and you dont loose that much trailer weight by rating for the advantages you gain with the extra rubber on the ground. drw is worlds better for trailer towing hands down. nate short of a new axle and new bed im not sure what you could do and didnt you buy a mega cab thats gonna make a bone yard bed selection harder to find. dont forget to post the pics of the new truck i know your going to buy anyways! gbmfg -- chris .
From : bill
i thought you could legally tow more with the srw because the dually weighs more. as far as the feel i wouldnt know how it would handle. that said i really do wish i had bought a dually instead of the srw. when pulling my camper fully loaded http//img70.imageshack.us/img70/2254/75251359iy8.jpg im a couple hundred pounds over my rear gawr. it probably shouldnt bother me but it does. at this point i have two options; trade up for a dually or convert this truck to a dually. im not against a conversion if it can be done to look oem without having to replace the axles that have all of 3300 miles on them! but i hear dually axles are a different length. .
From : nathan w collier
no accident the dot guy just rolled it across the scales. fair enough but again the dot is only checking to make sure your vehicle is licensed to carry the weight you have and not to ensure that you are within your gvwr or any other rating. my truck is licensed for 26000# despite being rated for 23000#. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//p7talk.com http//ppstalk.com .
From : nosey
christopher d. thompson wrote on sat 06 sep 2008 145341 -0400 nosey wrote drw is worlds better for trailer towing hands down. i wont argue drw is better for towing overall but if youre towing from a reciever the srw usually has a higer combined rating. no argument here i did say that you lose gross trailer weight adding the drw. but not much. yes you sure did. i was trying to point out that usually srw trucks have a higher rating when towing a travel trailer and drw trucks have a higher rating towing 5th wheels. it just didnt come out right. he could tow his 5th wheel from his receiver with a converter dolly http//www.digisys.net/bics/ oops i spelled receiver and higher wrong in my last reply. -- ken .
From : nunya
i can attest that campers do occasionally get weighed. have you any details about it at all i mean had they caused an accident leading to being weighed all that said it doesnt matter what your gvwr is. the dot is only making certain that your vehicle is licensed to carry the amount of weight that you are pulling. if your license plate says you are licensed for 26000# which i am it doesnt matter if you are pulling it with a 4 cylinder toyota as far as the dot is concerned. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//p7talk.com http//ppstalk.com no accident the dot guy just rolled it across the scales. michael .
From : nathan w collier
i can attest that campers do occasionally get weighed. have you any details about it at all i mean had they caused an accident leading to being weighed all that said it doesnt matter what your gvwr is. the dot is only making certain that your vehicle is licensed to carry the amount of weight that you are pulling. if your license plate says you are licensed for 26000# which i am it doesnt matter if you are pulling it with a 4 cylinder toyota as far as the dot is concerned. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//p7talk.com http//ppstalk.com .
From : steve w
nathan w. collier wrote im really pleased with my 2008 3500 srw cummins 4x4. trading my 05 for the 08 was the smartest move ive ever made truck wise. that said i really do wish i had bought a dually instead of the srw. when pulling my camper fully loaded http//img70.imageshack.us/img70/2254/75251359iy8.jpg im a couple hundred pounds over my rear gawr. it probably shouldnt bother me but it does. at this point i have two options; trade up for a dually or convert this truck to a dually. im not against a conversion if it can be done to look oem without having to replace the axles that have all of 3300 miles on them! but i hear dually axles are a different length. is it possible to do a dually conversion that looks oem without replacing my axles i dont mind buying aftermarket wheels for the conversion so long as it looks factory....otherwise ill trade up next year when the big trucks get the updated body style. thanks uh changing to duals is not going to change the gawr. the factory axle is wider due to heavier construction and to compensate for the rim offset. the dually places the load between the two tires. no conversion will be able to do that with your axle. the offset required would have the inner tire rubbing the box and springs. also towing over the rated weight of the axle is not a smart thing to do. go through an area that has a dot station and the fine is very steep. and dodge can use that as a reason to void the warranty as well if you have drive train problems. -- steve w. .