Roy needs his butt kicked...
From : denny
Q: mike simmons wrote premium fuel does nothing chip or no chip to improve fuel economy. mike a non believer. i have been using premium for a many years in my v8 and the only one i use 87 in is a old carbed amc360 with 8 to 1 compression in a j20 jeep truck. everything else is 89 or better. personally i think that 87 should be taken off the market because it is more trouble than it is worth and a real hidden performance killer on a hot day when your ecm has to retard the spark to control fuel knock. i have 89 4x4 burb that i bought new and when i ran it on 87 for first few thousand miles it was gutless in warm weather and prone to ping even with ecm retarding spark some i switched over the premium and reset base timing at 8 btdc and the difference was night and day and been running it that way since. i can get a honest 19 mpg on hiway at 65mph with a/c on and that is on a 560 plus mile trip and one tank of fuel 40 gallon tank. on 87 the best it ever did was a little over 16mpg with a/c off on one trip on flat lands. it is very perky to drive and runs like a champ. but there are those that think they know more than automotive engineers and engine designers and that 87 is the fuel to use. we even use 89 or better in my wifes 4 banger 2000 cherokee in summer as it will get in the low 20s around town with a/c running on 93 23.5 last tank and the best it will do on 87 is about 20 or so in same usage and it runs noticably smoother too on 93 than 87. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-milage-premium-fuel-ftopict136209.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=661117 .
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From : mac davis
on sat 10 sep 2005 085810 -0700 thenewguy thenewguy@notebook.com wrote on sat 10 sep 2005 154830 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote lol it is not being honest it is you being an asshole. you could be right he should listen to you here. being an asshole is something that you really do have experience at. zing.... why couldnt you just answer the question like the other poster did. is it that you dont know or is it more along the lines of you whining because you feel that business is being taken away from you mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : denny
hi group! i have a 1999 2wd ctd and using it as a tractor for my 28 foot 8000lb 5th wheel. getting tired of turning on the heater fan in heavy traffic or when backing up the unit to keep the transmission coolant temperature down around 200f. does anyone in the group know of any auxillliary electric fan mods for these trucks tia fred .
From : roy
tbone wrote lol because the midwest and the southeast are still going to need fuel and where do you think that it is going to come from how about the areas that have not been damaged or directly effected by this storm which puts further pressure on strained supplies in the areas that you mentioned so the supply in your area will not remain constant. care to try again ok wizard. tell us what pipeline goes from the refineries in l.a. or anywhere else in the region to the midwest and east coast how is this fuel going to get there all trucked lol thats alot of trucks! .
From : denny
tbone wrote as to the president we all know why hes considering it. political favor insurance in keeping a good economy etc. tell us why gore wanted to tap the reserves when gas prices rose during his campaign tell us how it wasnt pure politics. now the president has said that he will tap the strategic reserves which would if the price was driven up by pure speculation cause a major price drop and again that didnt happen. a $2.00 price drop means nothing and today the price held at $70 a barrel. geez tbone are you that ignorant a puny release of us oil reserves to help a few local refineries isnt going to affect the global futures price of oil more than the $2 it did. domestic oil prices flucuate only short term and will always follow the global futures market for the longer term. .
From : roy
on a hot day when your ecm has to retard the spark to control fuel knock. you do understand your v8 assuming youre driving a dodge truck of course has no knock sensor and therefore no ability to retard timing and therefore as mike says premium fuel offers no benefit over mid-grade gasoline. and since the op has a 5.2l v8 mikes statement is 100% correct. they know more than automotive engineers and engine designers and that 87 is the fuel to use. you mean like the engineers who wrote the owners manual that states the vehicle was designed to run on 87 octane fuel .
From : denny
rm wrote thats why i bought a 5speed civic that gets 33 mpg. i drive my 4x4 360 only on weekends now. ive looked into doing that but then i passed a small vehicle squished like a bug in an accident. not worth the gas savings. i dont get the logic of a econo car while prices are high. i figure all the expense associated with another vehicle initial cost taxs title insurance and up keep. would think that the gettin isnt worth the goin. roy not in the short term roy. i drive 70 miles roundtrip each day to work cant move refuse to live in houston limits or get another job 10 years there. i was burning way too much in gas and didnt want to have a car payment again truck is paid for. car cost me $6500 total. i bought it for all my daily driving even before gas went up. this includes chauffeuring my 8 yr old around which would cost me $150at least a week in gas at todays prices. the honda is running me about $40 a week on average. lets break down your question taxes run me $50 a year title was $210 one time fee insurance costs me $85 a year just liability so the car stands you approx $7000 first year in. now add in the cost of your paid for truck that im assuming is registered and insured and depreciating whiles it sits there.that is a heck of a lot of gas! arent you running a little under insured on the honda liability you own a house upkeep not much it is a honda after all. i can guarantee it will cost a hell of a lot more to maintain my big ass dodge than it will to maintain the civic. i love my dodge but she is a bitch to maintain tranny goes out dashes crack pinging requires new wires and plugs every year to correct etc. maybe in the short term it wouldnt make sense and i agree with you there but this was a long term plan and the longer it goes to more it swings the cost effectiveness the other way. truck doesnt cost a dime as long as it just sits in the driveway but it is there if i need it. i work nights so fear of getting squished is a little bit mitigated but still there. the truck is costing you about $500 a month. if this is a long term plan i have a suggestion. sell your truck put some serious insurance on the car and invest the rest of money in a building material company like usg. roy .