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Removing transmissions and Max's hydraulic hypothesis....

From : marsh monster

Q: .. .. inline =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d mr-d150@spam.citlink.net budd cochran snip however =a0=a0=a0=a0=a0=a0=a0=a0an improperly bled hydraulic clutch can when the system gets warm from under the hood heat hold pressure on a throwout bearing . . .just like it would be if you rode the pedal. -- budd cochran =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d thats not possible. the clutch will not apply under any scenario resulting from an improperly bled system. never... ever... marshmonster =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d max340@verizon.net max=a0dodge replies try reading what budd said. he mentioned nothing about the clutch. simply said that an improperly bled system could result in faster than normal throwout bearing wear. that is not only possible its probable. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d max i stand corrected...he did not mention the clutch. i also stand to correct you.... he did not state that the bearing would wear any faster either. though he did infer it by the way max......... would you mind defining the word apply for me...cuz i thunk i dont reeely know what it is after all. and by the way max...... no matter how much you may want to believe it an improperly bled cutch hydraulic system can notwill not ever never ever.... apply pressure to a bearing either in the vehical being discussed in this thread...never..ever!!! and.... by the way max.... stop top posting. marshmonster .

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From : budd cochran

nate i had a slide in cab over camper that i carried around for for about 10 years in two different trucks. one being a dodge cummins 2500. never had a problem with control. mine was only a 8.5 model that weighed in about 2900 pounds fully loaded. they just take getting use to keeping in mind your center of gravity and height clearance. couple things i discovered was make sure you have quality sway bars front and rear. i used the skinny hydraulic shocks that connect from the cab to the front door jam/fender area. a lot of people say you dont need them and they didnt want to drill holes in their truck but it takes out all that forward bucking bounce a cab over can sometimes give you. forget about the airbags in they rear...... they simply didnt work for me. instead i went with helwig progressive overloads. what i did was have extended shackles made up so that i could remove the shackles when empty thus giving me the factory ride because with the helwigs on while empty it will beat you to death. i didnt use the helwig for the overload capacity but for the benefit of taking out any sway and they worked great for that. in your case with a 3500 youre in better shape than i was. in addition to hauling the camper around i pulled my boat on most trips which weighted in about 3000 pounds. sounds like you are talking about a 11 or 12 foot slide in but i think if you took a hard look at the 9.5 or 10 foot model you will be surprised at the room you have in them especially if they have a slide out dining area section which wasnt available when i had mine. todays slide in campers are build much better than when i had mine and the center of gravity is much lower in them now. probable over 90% of the cab over campers going down the road are overloaded but that is the nature of the beast i know i was most of the time. jerry .

From : roy

i had the same type of noise after i replaced the shocks and a slight additional tightening of the bolts solved the problem. i had the same sort of clunk you are describing and although my shocks appeared to be tight i put my impact wrench to it and no more clunk. id double check those shocks. it may be another issue but with you having new shocks id suspect that area. -- laszlo almasi carolina watercraft works inc. in the battle between money and love money will always triumph i may have to change my signature......on second thought i was right the first time. i can not seem to find what is clunking in the front end. i have looked and looked. the shifter linkage update has been done. the tie rod ends do move freely. is there any chance they are the problem it sounds like bad sway bar bushings but they are tight. it only does it on bumpy roads. the truck tracks straight and does not pull. it has new shocks that are also tight. the ball joints are ok. the l-h side has a very small amount of movement. i am not really sure how to check the control arm bushi

From : denny

heck i wont even touch it . . . . . maybe -- budd cochran at your age you gotta touch everything you can sneak up on... gbmfg denny now that was funny!gbmfg roy .

From : budd cochran

roy wrote but i am not using twice as much gasand i do not have to plug in my truck on cold winter nights and put 12 or 14 quarts in the crankcase and listen to the engine rattle all the time not to mention the extra 6 or 7 grand it cost too. if you like a oil burner fine if you like them but you are not saving any money with one in todays market. when you factor all the costs you are loosing money with one so it is not cheaper to drive one today. oh bullshit! list for the cummins is 5k and ya get other stuff with it. cummins will out work and out last a gas engine. cummins is 300k plus before tear down. im sure you have a chevy gasser that has 300k and is just wonderful. fuel here is 30 cents more than gas. i plug mine in at home cause the heat is nice at work when it sits for 24 hours it starts right up. the common rail is much quieter. your gasser depreciates like a rock/ iirc the return on a cummins starts at 100k. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com not likely if you service a gas engine correctly and add a engine oil cooler like the oil burner has to have it will die without one it will last about as long and when it time comes it will be a lot cheaper to fix. everyone that says how great and cheap oil burners are never factor in the cost of buy and maintaining one and now the higher cost of fuel and not to mention the the front of the truck weighs about 700 or 800 pounds more up front with a cummins in it and removes payload capacity because the gvw of a like gas truck is the same. they did not redesigned the frame and front end for that weight either and give it it own front end it is the same frame and front end that is used in a gas truck. dodge quietly replace the front axle design in 03 because of the problems they were have with front drive axle on ctd models from added weight. i run a few plow trucks and have for years and i know that i can start my gas trucks a minus 20 quickly with no heat and be on my way quickly if need be and i can shut it off anytime anywhere in any weathr and know i can restart it and i do not have to leave it banging away wasting fuel to keep it warm. i can go to a drive thru and not have to shout or turn my engine off to be heard either and nobody knows i am coming until a get there either because it is quiet and nobody knows i am in a truck when on cell phone either. again if you like them fine but cheap and lasts longer that is bs because you can rebuild a gas engine for a lot less than a cummins and just a rebuilt injector pump and injector can cost a lot more that a completely rebuilt gas motor. first time that oil burner breaks out of warranty you will pay through the nose to fix it. diesels have a place but not in my p/u and at todays fuel price they make even less sense. gas here is 2.13 and diesel is 3.34 -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .

From : tom lawrence

so thats what happened to me.... ive been pondering that for years.. wow.... ive never seen a bigger target painted before.... roy should have no trouble hitting that one! .

From : roy

you can add a heated seat cushion with vvviiibbbrrraaatttiiinnnggg massage on your current truck for much less than the factory heated leather option. check out brookstone or similar stores. not that i know from any experience or anything..... -- ken sss advocate only thing that i can think of thats worse than heated leather seats is vibrating heated leather seats. no wonder all you old farts poke along the streets with a goofy grin on yer face. do ya all keep a tube of ky in the cupholders too vbg denny you folks have to excuse the friggin rabbit. although he knocks you not so manly folks that feel the need for leather heated leather at that. you should understand that it

From : roy

that no seat maker offers a heated leather bench seat for a pick up and given that his furry wide ass is waaaayyyyy too wide to fit in a bucket seat he attacks those who have learned to stay the hell out of the refrigerator and can fit into and enjoy heated leather seats. ya know i had to read this twice. getting a little slow with comprehension nope. just couldnt believe the bs that youre spewing.. bg before realization set in that you seem to be talking from experience and are just trying to pass the fat ass off onto somebody else. for example1 if i had an atv i wouldnt need to install oversized tires and skid-plates that is undoubteedly because they cant build one for your fat ass. you in a jeep is like me on a atv. and the jeep wouldnt need oversized tires and additional skid plates for me to drive it down the road. now i understand. the atv is never on the road!! or 2 my half ton gasser does everything i need it to do. i didnt need to get a 3/4 ton cummins to haul my ass around you cant hop yer furry wide ass up into a 3/4 ton. its not cant its dont want to. it gets to be a pain in the furry ass when i have to crawl in and out of it all the time. i guess it is tough on those short chubby legs. roy .

From : denny

just moved the plow out of the garage and now it is snowing. should be a helluva winter!! roy good luck!! im glad youre ready cause im not. 58 degrees around here today and im loving it. denny no way this will be plowable. i still have to come up with some compensatory weight. dont go there.g roy .

From : tom lawrence

suddenly without warning denny exclaimed 28-oct-05 137 am suddenly without warning mac davis exclaimed 27-oct-05 408 pm on wed 26 oct 2005 215332 +0100 jmc nogroupsspam@nojodibody.homeus wrote id like to say the op has been sitting back quite enjoying this little exchange one of these days im going to have to do some googling to find out the origin of the whole bunny thing though jmc who has been getting pretty thoroughly rained on for the last week. perhaps i should have installed pontoons rather than new tires... he could tell you but then hed have to kill you.. ah but hed have to catch me first and i have a biiig head start! - jmc but your gonna come home sooner or later... i think the old saying is time is on my side. bg denny perhaps. you may have to wait a bit though. at the moment were considering getting even further away. and much much drier. besides my dak goes much faster than you can hop! jmc i know dakotas and you dont know how fast i hop......plus i got the edge in experience. hop you gotta be kidding!!!! it is more of a quick waddle at this stage. if he could hop he better do it outside so he doesnt damage anything. gbfg talk about low fricken blows....... but ill take it in stride coming from a fart that had to buy a cummins to haul his ass around.. denny ya poor dis illusioned rabbit. ya cant take anything in stride ya gotta take it on the hop! vbg roy roy denny .

From : max dodge

.bob bobcowan@access4less.nospam.net wrote and hes supposed to decode that sticker how theres no decoding involved. its just a list of options. my truck has one. and it distinguishes between rwal and 4wal it matter if the wheel speed tone ring is part of the rotor hub which in the case of rwd vehicles with front abs is almost always is. true in that case it would a different part. but what about calipers pads and hoses hoses can easily be different since many times they have the added bracketry for the wheel speed sensor wiring. calipers and rotors can be different also if the abs package is bundled in with wheel size options. the only way to know is check the part numbers. on my dakota the ring is not part of the rotor. so the rotor is the same for both apps. your dakota is 4x4. big difference in architecture between dakota 4x4 and a rwd b van. has it occurred to you that autozones computer has already anticipated that the parts are different and thats why the counter droid is asking not at all. for example go in to just about any parts store and ask for a voltage regulator for a 1970 mustang. they want to know engine size and carb size to get to the right reference page. although we all know that voltage regulators for 1970 ford are all the same regardless of engine or even chassis. unfair to compare what gets a part for a 35 year old car to something more current. the counter droid is often just that a droid who only knows how to use the computer. agree 100% but that -is- the program and hes the droid not often in a position to do something about it. i once went in to get spark plugs. i asked for a set of autolite 3294s. he insisted on looking it up in the computer even though i told him it was a custom app. after a while i gave up and went to another store. i feel very fortunate that there are no autozoos in this immediate area. .

From : budd cochran

.. .. inline ========== ========== if the hydraulic system had a spring like budd said there would be no way to control free play. it would just return the slave all the way in. al ============= ============ mr-d150@spam.citlink.net budd cochran wrote uh al they make adjustable pushrods dont they besides one advantage to a hydraulic setup is the ease or lack of need for adjustment. with a hydraulic setup everything can be slammed together at the factory bled with a pressurized filler and sent down the line. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. ================= ================= uh budd you should use some of that intelligence logic and common sense you want others to use in their posts. uh sorry im stating that i will use regardless of idiots like yourself. 1 big al was referring to slave cylinders... as were you in the post he was referring back to!! yep but many items in the designs are common between master cylinders and slave cylinders. one of the disadvantages to readily available over the counter rebuilt parts is that people like yourself have never had the enjoyment of reaming out a rusty cylinder and installing a rebuild kit then reinstalling the cylinder. 2 on hydraulic clutch systems which is what the thread has become about the adjustable push rod is on the master cylinder.....not on the slave cylinder and we have been discussing the slave cylinder....and so have you. not all have the adjustment on the master cylinder end. 3 most of the systems do not incorporate an adjustable push rod at all. most you still havent given me if no one else any reason to believe you even know which end your head is on. so....that jest chunks one more kink in yer hydraulic theories. nope just different systems than ones ive worked on. 4 as far as hydraulic setups being easy...... theyre easy to me and its easy to see that you think theyre easy to thee but i can see that you should be more concerned with a diagnostic tree.....in order to be...more proficient you see...when you debate with me.....hydraulic formalities. ok lets see . . . .move 100000 pounds four miles with 3.5 hp. .

From : denny

so thats what happened to me.... ive been pondering that for years.. wow.... ive never seen a bigger target painted before.... roy should have no trouble hitting that one! gotta give him an easy one every once in a while or he quits playing.. denny .

From : nosey

hi big allogesi asked about taking a gas tank off a 1986 dodge 3/4 ton 2wheel drive360 engi have tank off this is a fiberglass or plastic tankit has b 30 on the tanki coulnt find anything on the sending unitto get the sending unit off ther is a plastic holder that screws off with threads on iti cracked the top of it taking it offiam sure its a 30 gal tankthe sock on the bottom of sending unit looks dirthy but could blow threw iti didnt find any hoses that were softdo you know anything about this kind of gas tank or were i could find a number on itshould i order a new sending unitwhere do you order fromthanks again for your time and helplouie the tank is plastic. should have mentioned that the sender has a large lock ring around it. you turn it to get the sender out. on some tanks it looks like a giant plastic jar lid with a hole in the center. on others its steel. if you look at it you can see the way it clamps the top of the sender down. after you get the sender out you can replace the sock. its an auto parts store item. al .