Removing transmission

From : big al

Q: its far better to seperate them. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. have a 92 dodge w250. the throw out bearing is starting to go bad. has anyone here pulled the transmission and transfer case as a unit how bad was it would it be better to separate them any hints would be appreciated. al dreading this. i may start going out for quotes. .

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From : tbone

-- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on wed 02 nov 2005 001306 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote that would probably work and that would be a huge mistake. if the heads have been runny dry long enough to trash the rockers i would say that the seals and guides are pretty much toast as well. re-introducing oil flow at this time would probably result in turning the engine into a killer smoke bomb and make the vehicle undrivable. i would follow budds advice and look into a rebuild or if you do try this method have a set of rebuilt heads and gaskets ready as you may need them really soon. hey its worth a try isnt it the engine will be trash if oiling is not restored and there is a chance restoring oiling will solve the problem without causing it to smoke. would definitely not be the first one. i had a 65 rambler with the same problem that i figured was not worth dissassembling to fix so i fed oil to the rocker shaft with a piece of brake tube connected to a t at the oil pressure switch. shut up the squeaky rockers and no oil consumption problems. i made that mistake with my 62 ford falcon. that engine was notorious for it plugging up the oil feed to the head and when i got this one it was like that for a while. the rockers were so worn out from it they could barely open the valves. at first i just cranked back down on the adjusters to correct the valve lash and would pour stp over the rocker assembly once a week. since there was no oil flow there was no need to worry about the valve cover gasket so it was easy to do and the engine ran fine. after i gave the car to my father he decided to see if he could clear the clogged port and unfortunately we were successful. not only was the rocker assembly well lubricated there were no surviving mosquitoes for miles and the vehicle became close to useless. i would suggest that if the op wants to try this method he first remove the valve covers and with the engine running pour some hot oil over those rocker assemblies and see if it smokes. if not try beekeeps method to clear it and if successful just replace the rocker assembly in each head. if it does then he could still attempt this and if successful replace the heads. either way it will save money over a complete rebuild but the main problem would be that the engine could still have other problems due to possible neglect. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving is it possible to get push rods and lifters for this engine with the oil holes in them the heads are off getting a valve job done now. i can spin the oil pump with a screw driver buy hand and i get oil to the lifters. if i push all the lifters up in there bores i can feel the pump build pressure but nothing comes out of the holes to the heads. i can stick a wire in the holes and it goes all the way to the cam. i doubt that you could and even if you did it wouldnt work. you would never get enough lubrication to the rocker shafts that way if you could get any at all.and they might even cause an oil starvation problem to the mains and cam. you might not see any flow to the heads turning it by hand because you are not spinning the pump fast enough and are losing to much oil in the crank and cam bearings. buy or fabricate a drive shaft for the pump and spin it with a drill high powered slow speed to view proper operation before bolting the heads back on. the oil only comes up thru 1 port on each side. it is toward the rear on the right head second bracket from the rear on the head and the front on the left second bracket from the front on the head. i have been looking for a primer shaft but cant find one for a dodge. is the distributer gear pressed on the oil pump shaft .

From : tbone

i think mine might have been a tad worse . . .she made three attempts to kill me personally and each of her boyfriends tried at least one attempt each . . .i quit counting after the 15th guy. actually i came out ahead . . i got rid of her and her drug / booze / party habits. in six months i had all our bills caught back up. when she began running off to kentucky to deny me visitations with our son i sued for relief from the court ordered child support. it helped to have proof the money wasnt going for his care and witnesses my present wife to the trips to kentucky. the cool part was the judge that rescinded the support order was a lady. -- budd cochran btdt . . .after my divorce in 73 and it was 105 pounds. if your divorce was anything like mine when the judge a woman got done with me i about couldnt afford to eat. hell a person in a third world country had more cash than i did. talk about a kick in the balls diet! that only lasted a couple of years though. roy budd cochran yeah my friend lost 110 lbs got his wife off his back cochran mr-d150@spam.citlink.net wrote now that depends on who you ask . . .ive lost 45 pounds ya know . . .. see i can diet . . . . . vbg budd i didnt say we had succeeded in looking as furry as you. yall may be as furry but youll never be as good looking... denny .

From : tbone

budd cochran wrote i think just about everyone has had something fix itself or become functional without the repair being the correct repair. to me its just one of the things that keeps life interesting. it happens sometimes. other weird things happen to me too. when ive rebuilt an engine i take all the bolts nuts washers etc. and fill up several coffee cans. then i reassemble everything and somehow have a coffee can of unused stuff left over. dang engine runs fine for years and nothing falls off....weird!! lol is this a testament to your mechanical ability or the care you take during the operation -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

ive gotta give you credit roy you held your tongue and apparently did it with a straight face or fingers or something. youre a better man than i.......... but it was fun to read. .

From : tbone

john kunkel wrote what about my previous statement lemme tell you about the time i fixed a slipping transmission by tightening one lug nut on the left front wheel find any fault with that claim could you pass judgement on the validity of my claim without actually being there if you have reason to doubt the validity of the story explain the reason for your doubts. lol! instead of admitting you screwed up youre attempting to lead budd into the same stupid ass bs you gave out. now thats some funny stuff right there! the only thing funny here is your complete lack of understanding. where exactly did he screw up miles and lets see the details. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

i didnt say we had succeeded in looking as furry as you. i dont really have more time than you but if you remember back far enough this group used to be more fun and a lot less fighting. information was given fast and accurate. several of us had specialties that we handled; bryan f. - biodiesel nate- off road modifications i did what i could with the older engine repairs and there were others; you were the one helping the most to set up plow systems denny taught us how to look good in a bunny suit. im sitting here behaving myself and then i find falsehoods thrown at me. none of you suckers look good in a bunny suit and there aint enough time to show you.. bg denny .

From : john kunkel

i dont really have more time than you but if you remember back far enough this group used to be more fun and a lot less fighting. information was given fast and accurate. several of us had specialties that we handled; bryan f. - biodiesel nate- off road modifications i did what i could with the older engine repairs and there were others; you were the one helping the most to set up plow systems denny taught us how to look good in a bunny suit. im sitting here behaving myself and then i find falsehoods thrown at me. none of you suckers look good in a bunny suit and there aint enough time to show you.. bg there are pictures around.g ill get even with ole red for that...... denny .

From : miles

lately ive noticed it takes a few more gallons of fuel to fill my tank than usual. i normally only need about 26 gallons to fill up when the gauge is at about 1/8th of a tank. the last few fills required 30 gallons or more. i didnt think too much of it until yesterday. i ran out of fuel on the highway pulling a trailer with just under 1/8th of a tank. luckily i was close enough to home to call my wife and have her rescue me with a can of diesel and my tool box. what a pain in the ass to get started again after you run a diesel dry. it takes much longer to bleed the air out of the system than it does after a fuel filter change. i ran out only three miles from where i planed to stop for fuel. after adding almost all of a 5 gallon can of fuel to the tank some was dumped into the mostly empty filter canister some dumped on myself it took 29.7 gallons to finish filling up. i have a 34 gallon tank on my 99 2500 qc sb so now im convinced the gauge is reading too high. anyone have any ideas why the fuel gauge is reading higher than it should does the sending unit have resistance values that i can verify with a meter -- ken .

From : budd cochran

sorry roy but imho thats part of the problem in here and in the world no one is supposed top be proud of lifting themselves up and improving themselves or being proud theyve done some more or different from everyone else. that is your ho others may not share it. surely you dont think that you can force your opinion on others. no. its not an opinion its a plain truth an observation. hmmm... read what you wrote above sorry roy but imho.... now it is. no. its not an opinion it is a plain truth an observation. ya lost me but no matter. ya cant let folks bait you by what they write. they are simply pushing your buttons and you provide the desired reaction. maybe but they need to consider what kind of a person would take pleasure from causing distress to another human being. the really weird part is that many that have done to me in the past brag about how much they care for their fellow man so what!! some people are ass holes ignore them!!! different people do different things some are bullys some are not. you make a decision to respond to the people that you precieve have done this. by responding nothing is accomplished imo. just more of the same. well i see this is a point you and i will disagree on. yes i decide who i respond to and how i respond to them. and there have been times i have ignored remarks and names that if the person was to call me that to their face theyd get a knuckle sandwich. otoh there are some in this group that care so little about others that they dont even realize when they insult someone in some fashion. sorry the pixels form words and words have meanings and meaning can insult and harm. that is my point you know the people here. you know the personality of those that care so little. what i dont get is why ya continue to converse with them. ya know same bad well same bad water. yep but what do you do when you cant change the well you boil the heck out of the water. and insults to me get me boiling mad . . .at times. i learned a long time ago that nothing is gained by boiling the water when you do you end up getting all pissed off and for what you cant change the thought process of the other party. all you end up doing is raising yer blood pressure. no ive looked. im always the first to get the chastisement and then i look and nope nothing directed to anyone else. who is being chastised ive covered this before yeah and youre doing what you accuse me of forcing my opinions and beliefs on others. trying to get me to do what you do with insults and arguments. i started off trying to understand why you end up in so many arguments with different people. i think i understand what it is now. imho they are every bit as guilty as i if i am guilty of anything wtf!! who said you are guilty of anything roy im simply saying what is good for the goose is good for the gander. if im in error then anyone also in the argument are in error. but no one speaks to them about their errors. who is talking about errors just trying to point out the reality of this ng. no youre chastising me for being myself and making my own choices. yet again. the reality is that each of us has to decide for ourselves what is an insult and what is not then it is also a reality for each of us to choose to not deliver insults when we know what another is insulted by. yup. plain and simple and speaking only for myself dont call me an s.o.b. dont degrade my life and its experiences dont insult my wife myself my parents or my family dont insult my religion politics country or vehicle. well ya just told people what buttons to push. but it is what it is. me thinks it is time to move on. remembering when a 150 mph barrier existed in usac nascar scta and nhra means youre getting old. real old. roy .

From : budd cochran

all ive done is try share some experience and to gain a bit of knowledge which seems to be denied to me and anyone else reading the thread. budd i too am happy to see your back and read that your health has improved. but.... read over the threads you have been involved in since your return. some you have shared knowledge others..well in others it has been arguments with the same people you argued with before. true but with jerry and he refuses to accept the truth i was trying to learn something but he chooses not to share knowledge. but what you may consider the truth he may not. you have to accept that. that is just the way it is. no point going over it time and time again. one can accept anothers experiences without insinuating that person is lying. perhaps but it is only a insiuation. dont be so thin skinned. imho im not thin skinned but everyone of us on this earth have things we cannot tolerate having said or done about us. i worked my butt off all my life to build and maintain a good reputation. why shouldnt i get mad when someone who wasnt even there when i did what i claim tells me directly or indirectly that im a liar or that i dont know anything because this is not reality. this is a ng!! nothing more what is typed here does not matter. sure one posting wrong or info can be aggrevating but in the big picture it means nothing. roy if you want to take it that way then that is your choice. using that logic then a letter with insults written or typed is just ink blotches on paper or the posting of your sisters phone number in a mens bathroom wall is just magic marker on paint or a person calling you an s.o.b. with his face inches from yours is just sound impulses in air. . . . ..where do you draw the line between what is an insult or what is not you made your choice as to what is an insult and ive made mine. agreed sorry i went the pacifist route for 20 years and got my face ground in the mud for it i guess ya should figure out then what fight to fight. ones fought here are a waste of time. well they are a waste of my time anyway. maybe ya have more time to waste than i do.g i dont really have more time than you but if you remember back far enough this group used to be more fun and a lot less fighting. information was given fast and accurate. several of us had specialties that we handled; bryan f. - biodiesel nate- off road modifications i did what i could with the older engine repairs and there were others; you were the one helping the most to set up plow systems denny taught us how to look good in a bunny suit. some have tried to say the group has progressed beyond those times but i disagree. politeness peace fun and mutual support never go out of style but at times i seem to be the only one that knows that. as for it being the truth i do not tell lies when it comes to my experiences. i dont need to its been an incredible adventure. ive done more than the average person because ive accepted every challenge as they came. heres what i do. those that piss me off or that i think are total assholes i ignore. i dont respond to them at all. i dont use the kf i just ignore them. actually it is only one so it is pretty easy to do. also as time goes by fewer and fewer people respond to him. i prefer to get along with people denny and bryan foust have met me in person and i try to avoid arguments but it will always get my goat when im told the things ive done in my life are lies. you are the only one that know what you have done over the years. it matters not whether people believe you or not. further if they dont so what it dont mean jack shit. because i am quite proud with what ive accomplished in spite of coming from a poor family. because i was raised to defend my honor to the death if need be as well as the honor of my friends and family. old fashioned yes but its me. most people have done things they are proud of no matter where they came from. but it does not matter here. sorry roy but imho thats part of the problem in here and in the world no one is supposed top be proud of lifting themselves up and improving themselves or being proud theyve done some more or different from everyone else. that is your ho others may not share it. surely you dont think that you can force your opinion on others. no. its not an opinion its a plain truth an observation. but answer these what would be so wrong about each of us gaining ground in life without trampling down others what so evil about taking a little pride in ones accomplishments what is so detestably horrible to state that you had something happen that doesnt fit into some darn little box that someone else has decided is all that can happen dont make waves if newton hadnt we wouldnt be flying in jet planes if the wrights hadnt you wouldnt be able to fly at all.

From : tbone

the reason that i bought a 5 speed even to the point of giving up on the 360 to get it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving 95 ram 2500 4x4 suggestions first - narrow it down to which one of the below vehicles is exhibiting this problem 95 ram 2500 c 4x4 95 dakota sport 05 jeep x 85 dodge van 70 merc montego .

From : budd cochran

ah in a normally functioning system . . . thats the key isnt it fyi that is not as normal an occurrence as many might think. thats the gist of it i dont think that anyone here denies that air entrappment in an already plugged up system might cause the problems you claim but your original post and subsequent posts make no mention of other problems. go back and read the thread. dont have to. i remember what i said. my mistake was in forgetting that not everyone remembers this is life reality not some textbook. your mistake was and still is claiming that bleeding air from the forklift system fixed the problem. since a malfunction other than air entrappment had to exist merely bleeding the system wouldnt eliminate the root problem. like i said and scott has said you werent there unless you were working at arvin industries inc. 1000 n. hurricane franklin indiana 46131 in 1972 on the night shift maintenance crew doing forklift repair / maintenance. were you -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : budd cochran

john learn to read. i said in one instance the rented forklift trapped air caused a bearing problemwhich indicates it can happen elsewhere. once again the trapped air by itself couldnt cause that problem; the trapped air had to be in an otherwise malfunctioning system. if you are as knowledgeful of the system as you claim to be you would realize entrapped air could only cause a problem in a system whose return port was plugged. and if you had been there you wouldnt be questioning my veracity. the fluid was as clean as it was from the brake fluid container. i also stated that the perfect system only exists in text books. bullshit!!! a system that works as advertised is by definition perfect but if by your definition a system has to be incapable of malfunctioning then there is no perfect system. whatever. your mind is closed tighter than a bear trap. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote i am offended by your comment about my using all my experiences to aid others.why cant i because you dont have any so why attempt to show other wise..... ah you were there when where i curious as to how you can be so sure of this. i have driven friends rigs however with airbags and with other spring assists . . but wait thats not admissible is it no it is not. i have driven a couple 18 wheelers for friends for a few miles. doesnt make me a otr driver now does it. sorry saying you drove 18 wheelers is not admissible by your rules. same load range. personally i think you had a better suspended rig for heavy usage that the newer designs. btw that would have been a w-250. iirc. better suspension when fully loaded yes. required use of a kidney belt when unloaded. airbags made it worse when unloaded. did you leave them inflated or did you reduce the pressure btw firestone bags are used on many if not most semi-tractors today. and none of them go off road onto trails such as nate said he needed them for. besides their main use in that application is to level the load not more load or control of a top heavy camper. apples to oranges. beg to differ. a spring is a spring now type of spring is the difference. an air spring is an increasing rate spring the if the first half of its travel required 200 pounds to compress to that point the next 200 pounds will compress only half as much. i think the springs were working fine just not the way you expected. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : miles

the fantasy is that you claim you know what was wrong with it without seeing the vehicle. what about my previous statement lemme tell you about the time i fixed a slipping transmission by tightening one lug nut on the left front wheel find any fault with that claim could you pass judgement on the validity of my claim without actually being there bg well john you finally make a statement that says exactly what im saying. you were not there yet you are passing judgement on what took place. if you have reason to doubt the validity of the story explain the reason for your doubts. simply put i dont have to question the validitry of you story because you call it a story. otoh i mentioned something the actually happened to me ... not a story i made up to insult and ridicule another person. now if you can accept that i can have an experience that doesnt fall inside your parameters then we can go on otherwise youll continue to insult me. let me guess . . .youve never had an item in disrepair become functional and leave you wondering exactly what you did right if you have then you know that things dont always follow the rules. .

From : john kunkel

replaced crank positioning senser. no help. finally broke down and replaced the computer on the passengers side under-hood fender well. presto. problem solved. on sat 28 may 2005 175317 -0400 leroy dodgemanfromhell@aol.com wrote 1992 dakota 318 a/t will intermittently shut down if i am travelling at road speed the engine continues to turn and in approx 8-10 seconds it will start back up own its own. its just same as if you turned the ignition off and back on except.when it happens the tach falls to zero and the maint reqd light goes off it has been on for some time but all of the other guages continue to register normally. it has been doing this for about a year and nobody has been able to find it. the distributer module was replaced .. waste of money. it acts exactly like some circuit breaker is tripping then resetting itsself. it is totally intermittent. it may do it once/month or several times/day. can find no commonality like i just hit a bump or am in a hard turn or whatever except -- maybe -- it seems to be more frequent during hotter weather. if it was the fuel pump then the tach and ck eng lamp should not shutdown. if it was the ign switch then all of the other guages should quit. also or am i wrong about that have checked the batt cables tugged and pulled on all harnesses with it idleing have looked and puzzled and beat on everything in sight under the hood have cursed and jumped up and down. i have a factorty manual have studied the wiring diagrams for circuit breakers etc can find none. the thing has got me stumped. any help/suggestions appreciated. thanks in advance. so many garys and clydes ..so.. leroy so many garys and clydes ..so.. leroy .

From : thenewguy

good lord!!!!! are you sure youre not building one vbg let me look up a couple ads in mopar action and see if i can get you an internet address or two. -- budd cochran yeah sorry i did mean vancouver b.c. lower mainland!. what i need is a dashinsterment panelgas tank floater relayside panels for the doorscarpetingtail light and turn signal covers leafsshocksboxfenders and more but i cant think of everything off the top of my head.... thanks guys the area around vancouver british columbia canada is usually considered the lower mainland. i guess this poster wasnt thinking globally. g good point i missed that bit. -- budd cochran what are you needing and where is the lower mainland. .

From : budd cochran

the area around vancouver british columbia canada is usually considered the lower mainland. i guess this poster wasnt thinking globally. g good point i missed that bit. -- budd cochran what are you needing and where is the lower mainland. .

From : john kunkel

factory mirrors are super but not cheap. steve we have recently bought our first pickup a 2001 dodge td ram 2500. not our first turbo saabs but our first diesel and first pickup. it is an awsome truck! we plan to buy a slide-in camper and want towing mirrors. i found online two sets which look pretty much the same. they have two mirors and fit or replace the existing manual plain jane mirror. one seems to fit over the existing mirror pickupspecialties.com and the second seems to replace the existing mirror premiermotoring.com. in both cases the finished product looks much the same with an additional mirror beyond the existing one. both are around $70 delivered. i was thinking more of a mirror which would extend when towing. i was thinking of replacing the existing mirror with such a thing. suggestions on places to buy mirrors thanks charles .

From : christopher thompson

hiagainbig ali asked about the sending unit on a 1986dodge pickup 2wheel drive360engine30 gal gas tankis plastici have tank offand sending unit out of tankthe sock is not roundits flat but i think it was round at one timeat the bottom of unit there is a black rubber about 21/2 longthere are 2 wires going to iti can see what looks like little bladesi can turn themis suppose to run when you turn the key on would it then suck gas into gas line thanks for the helpdo you know where i can find a sending unitfor this dodgethanks again for the help and your timelouie jerry@midrivers.com you lost me. are you looking for a sender or the fuel pump the original electric fuel pump is a carter and you can buy the original at discount auto parts stores. if the gas gauge works correctly you do not need a sender. btw change the plastic hose going from the pump to the top of the tank. use regular good fuel line and gear clamps. the plastic stuff gets hard and breaks. al .

From : max dodge

im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. it is not what i say can or cant happen it is the laws of physics and high school physics at that. its really funny tom that you apply the its physics claim yet have denied it existed at other times. and my statements do not violate the laws of physics. what were we thinking . . . we must remember that tom is the worlds greatest living mechanic and knows all sees all and it cant happen unless he wills it. now who is the one not holding up to there word so much for having an intelligent converstation. lol gee a double standard. you can disrespect me but get ticked off if someone disrespects you. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : budd cochran

nope sorry. last check up gave me the best bill of health in 10 years. ive even lost 45 pounds. i feel great. glad to hear it! wow......i havent checked up on this thread in a few days. sorry to see the turns its taken. .........but im damn glad to hear youre doing great! maybe next spring youll head up this way for some fine fishin! -- nathan w. collier http//inlinediesel.com http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote jerry im sorry you dismissed me like that. i was trying to figure it all out so if not you then maybe i could help someone in the future. why is that a bad thing to do in your opinion wouldnt it be better to ask questions of someone with a bad experience as well as someone with a good experience you insinuated i didnt have all the experiences ive claimed but the problem with that is that you have not lived the life i have had gone the places ive gone and done what ive done. so you presume im lying. fine that is your choice but think on this our lives our only mundane if we live them in a mundane manner. budd go fuck yourself. sorry against my religion. youre still the same know nothing stupid ass you always were. am i im trying to learn something and youre refusing to instruct me. its just a matter of time before you start crying that youre being picked on and start blubbering moronic crap as you say goodbye again.....which will be what the fourth or fifth time. no jerry i really was trying to learn something. oh hell what am i doing here..... i probable caused you to now go off on one of your heart bypass stories again looking for that pity you always seem to beg people for...... like anyone really gives a shit. nope sorry. last check up gave me the best bill of health in 10 years. ive even lost 45 pounds. i feel great. dont you have the least bit of a clue of the laughter behind your back. yeah go fuck yourself. what does it say about you since you refuse to teach me im sorry that my trying to be civil and trying to learn something are so repulsive to you that you would tell me this kind of thing. budd .

From : max dodge

im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. it is not what i say can or cant happen it is the laws of physics and high school physics at that. what were we thinking . . . we must remember that tom is the worlds greatest living mechanic and knows all sees all and it cant happen unless he wills it. now who is the one not holding up to there word so much for having an intelligent converstation. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : john kunkel

on thu 03 nov 2005 143718 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@spam.citlink.net wrote rick the pump drive is a hex drive 5/16 across the flats iirc i made one out of a section of an old allen hex key wrench and a 5/16 steel rod brazed together. you need to pull the intermediate shaft out to get at it. i suggest you bring number one cylinder up on compression first then if you rotate the engine which you will if you want to check upper oiling make sure you bring it back to the same position before assembling the engine. in the proper position the distributor rotor will point toward number one cylinder. -- budd cochran even if its on the exhaust stroke beekeep .

From : tom lawrence

budd cochran wrote .... snipped... what ever budd.......... .

From : john kunkel

does the cam have to be in a certain position to feed oil to the heads rick the pump drive is a hex drive 5/16 across the flats iirc i made one out of a section of an old allen hex key wrench and a 5/16 steel rod brazed together. you need to pull the intermediate shaft out to get at it. i suggest you bring number one cylinder up on compression first then if you rotate the engine which you will if you want to check upper oiling make sure you bring it back to the same position before assembling the engine. in the proper position the distributor rotor will point toward number one cylinder. -- budd cochran -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on wed 02 nov 2005 001306 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote that would probably work and that would be a huge mistake. if the heads have been runny dry long enough to trash the rockers i would say that the seals and guides are pretty much toast as well. re-introducing oil flow at this time would probably result in turning the engine into a killer smoke bomb and make the vehicle undrivable. i would follow budds advice and look into a rebuild or if you do try this method have a set of rebuilt heads and gaskets ready as you may need them really soon. hey its worth a try isnt it the engine will be trash if oiling is not restored and there is a chance restoring oiling will solve the problem without causing it to smoke. would definitely not be the first one. i had a 65 rambler with the same problem that i figured was not worth dissassembling to fix so i fed oil to the rocker shaft with a piece of brake tube connected to a t at the oil pressure switch. shut up the squeaky rockers and no oil consumption problems. i made that mistake with my 62 ford falcon. that engine was notorious for it plugging up the oil feed to the head and when i got this one it was like that for a while. the rockers were so worn out from it they could barely open the valves. at first i just cranked back down on the adjusters to correct the valve lash and would pour stp over the rocker assembly once a week. since there was no oil flow there was no need to worry about the valve cover gasket so it was easy to do and the engine ran fine. after i gave the car to my father he decided to see if he could clear the clogged port and unfortunately we were successful. not only was the rocker assembly well lubricated there were no surviving mosquitoes for miles and the vehicle became close to useless. i would suggest that if the op wants to try this method he first remove the valve covers and with the engine running pour some hot oil over those rocker assemblies and see if it smokes. if not try beekeeps method to clear it and if successful just replace the rocker assembly in each head. if it does then he could still attempt this and if successful replace the heads. either way it will save money over a complete rebuild but the main problem would be that the engine could still have other problems due to possible neglect. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving is it possible to get push rods and lifters for this engine with the oil holes in them the heads are off getting a valve job done now. i can spin the oil pump with a screw driver buy hand and i get oil to the lifters. if i push all the lifters up in there bores i can feel the pump build pressure but nothing comes out of the holes to the heads. i can stick a wire in the holes and it goes all the way to the cam. i doubt that you could and even if you did it wouldnt work. you would never get enough lubrication to the rocker shafts that way if you could get any at all.and they might even cause an oil starvation problem to the mains and cam. you might not see any flow to the heads turning it by hand because you are not spinning the pump fast enough and are losing to much oil in the crank and cam bearings. buy or fabricate a drive shaft for the pump and spin it with a drill high powered slow speed to view proper operation before bolting the heads back on. the oil only comes up thru 1 port on each side. it is toward the rear on the right head second bracket from the rear on the head and the front on the left second bracket from the front on the head. i have been looking for a primer shaft but cant find one for a dodge. is the distributer gear pressed on the oil pump shaft .

From : roy

budd cochran wrote jerry im sorry you dismissed me like that. i was trying to figure it all out so if not you then maybe i could help someone in the future. why is that a bad thing to do in your opinion wouldnt it be better to ask questions of someone with a bad experience as well as someone with a good experience you insinuated i didnt have all the experiences ive claimed but the problem with that is that you have not lived the life i have had gone the places ive gone and done what ive done. so you presume im lying. fine that is your choice but think on this our lives our only mundane if we live them in a mundane manner. budd go fuck yourself. youre still the same know nothing stupid ass you always were. its just a matter of time before you start crying that youre being picked on and start blubbering moronic crap as you say goodbye again.....which will be what the fourth or fifth time. oh hell what am i doing here..... i probable caused you to now go off on one of your heart bypass stories again looking for that pity you always seem to beg people for...... like anyone really gives a shit. dont you have the least bit of a clue of the laughter behind your back. yeah go fuck yourself. .

From : hodad

find the door. is this a big deal to change nah - the whole cupholder assembly is held on with a couple of screws. first remove the screw above the trash bag hook then pull off the center bezel give the hook a good yank then work your way around the perimieter of the bezel popping out the spring clips. next remove the trim cover on the transmission hump. this piece just detaches without any screws. drop the cupholder down and remove the two screws along the top then close it back up and remove four screws two at the top and two at the bottom that hold the assembly to the dash. place besides the dealership to get this part as im sure theyll be higher than hell for this part hp youre probably going to have better luck finding the entire assembly at a salvage yard models from an 03 thru 05 will fit rather than just the faceplate which may or may not be removable. a new assembly from an online dealer runs about $37 if it were me id just fine some caulking that matches the color and fill the holes with that. .

From : budd cochran

sorry budd but that is an old thread and while it was fun back then it is done now. btw 12 foot 165 lbs and yacht dont really go together - and the boat will still have the same mass no matter where it is and once that boat is buoyant - really dont go together huh youve weighed the boat tell us when you did it so we can turn you into the cops for trespass. and the thread hasnt finished yet we both replied to it right now back to mass . . .so you do understand that helium has mass and is affected / attracted by gravitation. but i see you backpedaled again to tom l. why couldnt you have said i was wrong instead of the poor excuse for trying to cover your butt -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving my brothers 12 foot yacht displaces a mass of water equal to its weight 165 pounds therefore it has no weight when on the lake the boat still masses and weighs 165 pounds on this planet because even out in the middle of the lake it gravity attracts it. heliums mass is higher than that of hydrogen so it has weight in a gravity well. gravity although minutely attracts all masses together.. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. lol helium always has mass and that point cannot be argued but does it always have weight by the following definition 1. the quality of being heavy; that property of bodies by which they tend toward the center of the earth; the effect of gravitative force especially when expressed in certain units or standards as pounds grams etc. lets break this down to its components 1. the quality of being heavy; it is not heavy actually it is lighter than air. that property of bodies by which they tend toward the center of the earth; it actually moves is pushed away from the earth the effect of gravitative force which is counteracted and negated by the forces of the atmosphere especially when expressed in certain units or standards as pounds grams etc. find me a scale that can weight it without resorting to artificial means such as containment or being in a vacuum. sounds like the point of weight can be debated to me but even at that the fact that you had to resort to a completely off topic argument just shows that you are completely out of gas in your failing hydraulic argument and ill just claim my victory now. have a good day maxi. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. yup and helium has no weight. .

From : budd cochran

then the amc lifters would do the trick probably but if the bearings are mis-aligned then you will be getting oil to the lifters either. personally tear it down have the block hot tanked and/or all passages rodded out rebuild and drive on. -- budd cochran i dont know if the engine has ever been rebuilt but my rockers do have oil holes in the socket. are you sure you are reaching the cam if a cam bearing moved just a few degrees no oil to the heads. drilled passages in the cam journals regulate the flow but have to line up with holes in the bearings. is the cam getting oil has the engine ever been rebuilt could it be the bearings were installed wrong btw amc v-8 lifters are the same diameter and hollow pushrods can be made up but theres no hole in the pushrod socket on the rocker iirc. -- budd cochran on wed 02 nov 2005 001306 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote that would probably work and that would be a huge mistake. if the heads have been runny dry long enough to trash the rockers i would say that the seals and guides are pretty much toast as well. re-introducing oil flow at this time would probably result in turning the engine into a killer smoke bomb and make the vehicle undrivable. i would follow budds advice and look into a rebuild or if you do try this method have a set of rebuilt heads and gaskets ready as you may need them really soon. hey its worth a try isnt it the engine will be trash if oiling is not restored and there is a chance restoring oiling will solve the problem without causing it to smoke. would definitely not be the first one. i had a 65 rambler with the same problem that i figured was not worth dissassembling to fix so i fed oil to the rocker shaft with a piece of brake tube connected to a t at the oil pressure switch. shut up the squeaky rockers and no oil consumption problems. i made that mistake with my 62 ford falcon. that engine was notorious for it plugging up the oil feed to the head and when i got this one it was like that for a while. the rockers were so worn out from it they could barely open the valves. at first i just cranked back down on the adjusters to correct the valve lash and would pour stp over the rocker assembly once a week. since there was no oil flow there was no need to worry about the valve cover gasket so it was easy to do and the engine ran fine. after i gave the car to my father he decided to see if he could clear the clogged port and unfortunately we were successful. not only was the rocker assembly well lubricated there were no surviving mosquitoes for miles and the vehicle became close to useless. i would suggest that if the op wants to try this method he first remove the valve covers and with the engine running pour some hot oil over those rocker assemblies and see if it smokes. if not try beekeeps method to clear it and if successful just replace the rocker assembly in each head. if it does then he could still attempt this and if successful replace the heads. either way it will save money over a complete rebuild but the main problem would be that the engine could still have other problems due to possible neglect. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving is it possible to get push rods and lifters for this engine with the oil holes in them the heads are off getting a valve job done now. i can spin the oil pump with a screw driver buy hand and i get oil to the lifters. if i push all the lifters up in there bores i can feel the pump build pressure but nothing comes out of the holes to the heads. i can stick a wire in the holes and it goes all the way to the cam. .

From : budd cochran

jerry im sorry you dismissed me like that. i was trying to figure it all out so if not you then maybe i could help someone in the future. why is that a bad thing to do in your opinion wouldnt it be better to ask questions of someone with a bad experience as well as someone with a good experience you insinuated i didnt have all the experiences ive claimed but the problem with that is that you have not lived the life i have had gone the places ive gone and done what ive done. so you presume im lying. fine that is your choice but think on this our lives our only mundane if we live them in a mundane manner. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. budd cochran wrote ... snipped... what ever budd.......... .

From : tbone

im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. it is not what i say can or cant happen it is the laws of physics and high school physics at that. its really funny tom that you apply the its physics claim yet have denied it existed at other times. back to the unfounded accusations again care to back this statement up this is degrading quickly and this time it is not me doing it. tom any time you put down a persons experiences or knowledge you degrade them and you did it first. sorry but no. i didnt put you down in any way i simply said that you were wrong in this instance. now if you take that as a putdown then there is no point discussing anything with you because a childish attitude like that is incapable of discussion. but if we use your current definition of things i simply said that air alone could not cause the type of failure that the op said happened and i wasnt even responding to you i was responding to max. you then jumped in and made the claim that it could happen and i was wrong using your forklift example which by your current definition put down my experience and knowlege so again who did it first you did. and my statements do not violate the laws of physics. yes they do. the equal and opposite reaction part. unless something is resisting the system venting pressure to the reservoir it cannot apply pressure to the slave cylinder. wrong law of physics tom. newton wasnt involved in this one bernoulli was pressure is exerted equally in all directions. ok then if the master cylinder is operating properly how would the expanding gas build pressure on the master cylinder side remember the pressure must be equal on all sides or it will flow toward the path with the least resistance which means away from the slave and into the master. now heres what i was trying to show you and john exactly but you both kept up with the arguments that i was wrong unskilled inexperienced and a liar. the system was a new rebuild; master slave line fluid. the port was uncovered i could see it thru the new crystal clear brake fluid and when the pedal was pressed fluid escaped from it as indicated by the rippling of the fluid surface. and the system was causing slippage until i bled the air out . . .the only work i did on it. no adjustments no parts replacement other than a quart of brake fluid. now you figure it out. but heres one for you to explain robert goddard is recognized as a developer of modern rocketry especially liquid fuel rockets. in his early experiments the engines blew up not the tanks the engines. now since theres this big old hole in the back why did they blow up first of all we are talking about explosive expansion here due to combustion. wrong!!!! even in rocketry you do not want explosions anywhere. rapid burning yes explosions no. do you really think that the gas is expanding that quickly or with anywhere near that much volume in a hydraulic clutch assembly no. i hate to say this budd but now you really are starting to make yourself sound like an idiot and this is not a lame revenge insult it is an honest opinion and if you really think about it you should see where i am comming from. and if you could see what im saying you wouldnt be insulting me. its a parallel a extreme parallel but nevertheless a parallel. in both instances the same laws apply. and the cause was from the gases not being able to get out fast enough. goddard had the throat too small. as for the rocket do you not consider these early failures defective engines and in the successful ones what happens in the chamber the second the fuel is cut off. the point im trying to get thru to you tom is that you claim that theres no way air could cause clutch trouble and i say there is. the rocket throws your claim that as long as there is an exit pressure cannot build up right out in the trash. what were we thinking . . . we must remember that tom is the worlds greatest living mechanic and knows all sees all and it cant happen unless he wills it. now who is the one not holding up to there word so much for having an intelligent converstation. lol gee a double standard. you can disrespect me but get ticked off if someone disrespects you. the difference here budd is that this is an obvious attack that you just admitted to so much for your word. as i said degrade a persons experience or skill and you insult them. i did no such thing and i cant help it if you take it that way. you are not always going to be right budd no matter how much experience you may have and it takes a real man to admit that they dont know everything and admit to being wrong every now and then. i thought that you were that kind of man am i wrong no i am that kind of man and i have admitted to errors when i am wrong. in this case i am not. the probl

From : christopher thompson

sorry budd but that is an old thread and while it was fun back then it is done now. btw 12 foot 165 lbs and yacht dont really go together - and the boat will still have the same mass no matter where it is and once that boat is buoyant - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving my brothers 12 foot yacht displaces a mass of water equal to its weight 165 pounds therefore it has no weight when on the lake the boat still masses and weighs 165 pounds on this planet because even out in the middle of the lake it gravity attracts it. heliums mass is higher than that of hydrogen so it has weight in a gravity well. gravity although minutely attracts all masses together.. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. lol helium always has mass and that point cannot be argued but does it always have weight by the following definition 1. the quality of being heavy; that property of bodies by which they tend toward the center of the earth; the effect of gravitative force especially when expressed in certain units or standards as pounds grams etc. lets break this down to its components 1. the quality of being heavy; it is not heavy actually it is lighter than air. that property of bodies by which they tend toward the center of the earth; it actually moves is pushed away from the earth the effect of gravitative force which is counteracted and negated by the forces of the atmosphere especially when expressed in certain units or standards as pounds grams etc. find me a scale that can weight it without resorting to artificial means such as containment or being in a vacuum. sounds like the point of weight can be debated to me but even at that the fact that you had to resort to a completely off topic argument just shows that you are completely out of gas in your failing hydraulic argument and ill just claim my victory now. have a good day maxi. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. yup and helium has no weight. .

From : tbone

-- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on wed 02 nov 2005 001306 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote that would probably work and that would be a huge mistake. if the heads have been runny dry long enough to trash the rockers i would say that the seals and guides are pretty much toast as well. re-introducing oil flow at this time would probably result in turning the engine into a killer smoke bomb and make the vehicle undrivable. i would follow budds advice and look into a rebuild or if you do try this method have a set of rebuilt heads and gaskets ready as you may need them really soon. hey its worth a try isnt it the engine will be trash if oiling is not restored and there is a chance restoring oiling will solve the problem without causing it to smoke. would definitely not be the first one. i had a 65 rambler with the same problem that i figured was not worth dissassembling to fix so i fed oil to the rocker shaft with a piece of brake tube connected to a t at the oil pressure switch. shut up the squeaky rockers and no oil consumption problems. i made that mistake with my 62 ford falcon. that engine was notorious for it plugging up the oil feed to the head and when i got this one it was like that for a while. the rockers were so worn out from it they could barely open the valves. at first i just cranked back down on the adjusters to correct the valve lash and would pour stp over the rocker assembly once a week. since there was no oil flow there was no need to worry about the valve cover gasket so it was easy to do and the engine ran fine. after i gave the car to my father he decided to see if he could clear the clogged port and unfortunately we were successful. not only was the rocker assembly well lubricated there were no surviving mosquitoes for miles and the vehicle became close to useless. i would suggest that if the op wants to try this method he first remove the valve covers and with the engine running pour some hot oil over those rocker assemblies and see if it smokes. if not try beekeeps method to clear it and if successful just replace the rocker assembly in each head. if it does then he could still attempt this and if successful replace the heads. either way it will save money over a complete rebuild but the main problem would be that the engine could still have other problems due to possible neglect. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving is it possible to get push rods and lifters for this engine with the oil holes in them the heads are off getting a valve job done now. i can spin the oil pump with a screw driver buy hand and i get oil to the lifters. if i push all the lifters up in there bores i can feel the pump build pressure but nothing comes out of the holes to the heads. i can stick a wire in the holes and it goes all the way to the cam. i doubt that you could and even if you did it wouldnt work. you would never get enough lubrication to the rocker shafts that way if you could get any at all.and they might even cause an oil starvation problem to the mains and cam. you might not see any flow to the heads turning it by hand because you are not spinning the pump fast enough and are losing to much oil in the crank and cam bearings. buy or fabricate a drive shaft for the pump and spin it with a drill high powered slow speed to view proper operation before bolting the heads back on. the oil only comes up thru 1 port on each side. it is toward the rear on the right head second bracket from the rear on the head and the front on the left second bracket from the front on the head. .

From : budd cochran

on wed 02 nov 2005 001306 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote that would probably work and that would be a huge mistake. if the heads have been runny dry long enough to trash the rockers i would say that the seals and guides are pretty much toast as well. re-introducing oil flow at this time would probably result in turning the engine into a killer smoke bomb and make the vehicle undrivable. i would follow budds advice and look into a rebuild or if you do try this method have a set of rebuilt heads and gaskets ready as you may need them really soon. hey its worth a try isnt it the engine will be trash if oiling is not restored and there is a chance restoring oiling will solve the problem without causing it to smoke. would definitely not be the first one. i had a 65 rambler with the same problem that i figured was not worth dissassembling to fix so i fed oil to the rocker shaft with a piece of brake tube connected to a t at the oil pressure switch. shut up the squeaky rockers and no oil consumption problems. i made that mistake with my 62 ford falcon. that engine was notorious for it plugging up the oil feed to the head and when i got this one it was like that for a while. the rockers were so worn out from it they could barely open the valves. at first i just cranked back down on the adjusters to correct the valve lash and would pour stp over the rocker assembly once a week. since there was no oil flow there was no need to worry about the valve cover gasket so it was easy to do and the engine ran fine. after i gave the car to my father he decided to see if he could clear the clogged port and unfortunately we were successful. not only was the rocker assembly well lubricated there were no surviving mosquitoes for miles and the vehicle became close to useless. i would suggest that if the op wants to try this method he first remove the valve covers and with the engine running pour some hot oil over those rocker assemblies and see if it smokes. if not try beekeeps method to clear it and if successful just replace the rocker assembly in each head. if it does then he could still attempt this and if successful replace the heads. either way it will save money over a complete rebuild but the main problem would be that the engine could still have other problems due to possible neglect. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving is it possible to get push rods and lifters for this engine with the oil holes in them the heads are off getting a valve job done now. i can spin the oil pump with a screw driver buy hand and i get oil to the lifters. if i push all the lifters up in there bores i can feel the pump build pressure but nothing comes out of the holes to the heads. i can stick a wire in the holes and it goes all the way to the cam. .

From : john kunkel

symptoms converter locks & unlocks erratically ordered tps rewire kit symptoms will not downshift on its own when coming to a stop i have to pull it in to 1 with the shifter suggestions -- ----------------------------------------- billy k 95 ram 2500 c 4x4 the 95 still has the mechanical governor. the failure to drop into 1st when coming to a stop can be either a faulty governor or a sticky shift valve. connect a test gauge to the governor test port on the passenger side rear of the main case with the truck idling at a standstill in drive the pressure should not exceed 2 psi. if the pressure reading is above 2 psi the governor is faulty if the pressure reading is 0-2 psi i would suspect a sticky shift valve. .

From : budd cochran

i could supply the parachute . . i think i still have the stuff to make one from a hanky like i did when i was a kid. budd on sun 30 oct 2005 132454 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 29 oct 2005 171936 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote just moved the plow out of the garage and now it is snowing. should be a helluva winter!! roy good luck!! im glad youre ready cause im not. 58 degrees around here today and im loving it. denny no way this will be plowable. i still have to come up with some compensatory weight. dont go there.g roy i guess the freight charges to get bugs there would be counter productive right bro you would be correct. the deal with transporting the friggin rabbit is the added expense of the permits and escort vhicles for the wide load. perhaps one of those catapult things you build sorry the name escapes me tr... something. maybe ya could sort of launch him this way. roy i think he would overload a treb bro.. they usually threw 250 pound rocks.. on the good side since the trajectory is at about a 45 degree angle he might gain distance with proper use of the ears as flaps.. mac please remove splinters before emailing yeah and on the way down he can use the cottontail as a drogue chute... ^ mike and how many $$ would all you comedians pay to get pictures of this event im thinking i may be able to retire...... denny id throw in a buck or two.... mac.... roy ;^ mike .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote jerry if i may . . . i suggest you look at airride technologies. the most common cause of air suspension failure is a leak in an improperly installed line. helper bags can be deflated to a couple pounds of pressure just to avoid chafing. i dont need to look im speaking from actual experience. ive bought installed and used them. they did not perform up to expectations or as advertised. anything subject to dependence of air to operate/perform are subject to leaks....... like a tire no lines there. why take the chance when you are miles from nowhere out in the boondocks. steel springs break too and that ive experienced. give me a bit more info because theres a lot of folks here in moab with airsprings that have not had any problems. what did you drop them psi to when unloaded was the problem just a stiffer ride what pressure did you inflate them to where they the proper size for your load budd .

From : budd cochran

it is not the same system budd and saying that it is just makes you look foolish. if what you say is true then the only way that you could compress a brake caliper piston back into its bore would be to open up the brake bleeder and we both know that you do not have to do that it may be a good idea but not a requirement. nobody else in the group agrees with you here on this point including max so that alone should tell you something. the principles of operation are the same tom and in basic design they are the same.. did you know that some hd clutch systems use a 2 pound residual valve like a disk brake to reduce the possibility of air / water contamination it uses a slightly heavier return spring to compensate for the pressure. btw you never had a master cylinder piston that couldnt retract properly have you like i reminded john the system is already screwed up. it is not a perfect text book scenario tom. as for foolish appearances tom that would be anyone that doubts the experiences of a older more experienced person and discards them out-of-hand for the simple reason that person is older grayer more experienced the answer isnt found in some text book disagrees with some popular answercorrect or not or . . . . pick as many as you want. tom id like to know who made you official spokesman for this group. at this time anyone that disagrees with toms claim of being group spokesman and that no one supports me as a person they may post a rebuttal. dont turn this into one of your diatribes. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : budd cochran

same system john same problems and possibilities. thats what im trying to get t-bone to understand . . .there is no difference in operation or function. -- budd cochran if the phenomenon you describe did occur there was something wrong in the system other than the entrapped air. really what was your first clue maybe it was the bearing wear in function they are the same. heck the earliest hydraulic brakes were plagued with contamination probs because of the lack of residual pressure valves. a hydraulic clutch or braking system is nothing more than a pedal / master cylinder / lines / slave wheel cylinder / piston setup. the only difference is that lack of a common residual valve in the clutch system in most applications. use your head if you push the clutch pedal down part way and hold it there any expansion of the fluid or entrapped air could cause pressure to build and alter the position of the to bearing because the system is sealed as soon as the mc piston moves far enough to close off the reservoir port. yep as in a pedal being ridden a master piston not retracting completely a clogged port a clogged cap vent a pinched or plugged line a flap of rubber inside a flexible line . . .shall i go on the system is defective so air can be the problem if not the whole problem. once the pedal is returned to the up position the fluid must be free to return to the reservoir and since the return port is open when the pedal is up any expansion of the fluid/air will merely push the fluid into the reservoir. what if the ports plugged due to neglect contamination or some other thing not found in your manual anecdotal experiences that describe abnormal operation can only be the result of abnormal conditions such as reservoir port obstruction. aha!!!!!! but thats only one scenario. how about the system that worked fine until a hole wore in the metal line between the master and slave cylinders but a few days after the a.c.e. certified mechanic repaired it the clutch wouldnt engage ill save you the effort . . .he had replaced the steel line with copper tubing hey its not a brake system right and chassis flex pinched it shut while the pedal was down. all i did was replace it with steel line and tighten a couple of frame to axle bolts and set it back out. in this case the steel would have eventually worn thru again but it wouldnt have crushed. outside your little book aint it btw it took me a week to convince him that the flexing had even existed . . . .i loosened the bolts stuck a twenty between the line and frame jacked up the same side of the vehicle. if he could pull the bill out without tearing he would prove i was wrong and could keep it. i didnt lose my twenty. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : max dodge

i was just curious if the readings the computer take are from a flow rate meter or some other method of determining mpg when i use it on the hwy i get a pretty accurate reading when compared to how much fuel vs miles on the odometer. however when i use it around town it will read say 15.2 mpg and my fuel calculations will be 1 to 1.5 mpg higher. thanks in advance the computer uses an algorithm that factors in fuel pressure and injector pulse width to calculate fuel flow. hope this helps! mike .

From : max dodge

yes i disagree that air in the system when heated will apply more pressure to the to bearing. as i stated the system is open to the reservoir when the pedal is in the released position therefore any pressure buildup would merely push the fluid back into the reservoir rather than apply more pressure to the to bearing. thats terrific in a perfect world. what happens if the pedal doesnt fully release what if the system has a pinhole leak in it somewhere what if the slave cylinder is leaking air into the system your assumption is a perfectly operating system under perfect operating conditions. thats great if it happens. service manuals caution against overfilling the reservoir for this very reason; an overfull reservoir would result in the phenomenom you describe but overfull is not a normal condition. no one said all things were normal. no one assumed except you and tbone that all things were in perfect operating order. no but i do understand the operation of a normally functioning system and in a normally functioning system the phenomenom that you claim occurs is impossible. yet youve just given an example of how a normally functioning system might not be as normally functioning as it should be. of course a malfunctioning system can cause any number of problems but the phenomenon that you claim will occur in a system whose only abnormality is air entreapment is total nonsense. perhaps thats why when finding such a situation you check it for further problems. instead of budd saying air could be trapped and apply pressure to the to bearing and you saying nonsense never happen not a possibility you suck as a mechanic you might sit back and ask why such an event would happen and what other possible problems are present. thats why good trouble shooting is essential and why instead of backpedalling and putting conditions on your claims now you admit other problems might help cause exactly what budd is saying that it couldnt possibly happen. yes weird things happen but your chosen happening wont happen. but you admit its possible under certain conditions. you also seem to think its a perfect world and only one problem happens at a time. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. .

From : john kunkel

hawkdoc wrote i was just curious if the readings the computer take are from a flow rate meter or some other method of determining mpg when i use it on the hwy i get a pretty accurate reading when compared to how much fuel vs miles on the odometer. however when i use it around town it will read say 15.2 mpg and my fuel calculations will be 1 to 1.5 mpg higher. thanks in advance i dont know about the new ones but older ones use a vacuum sensor reading and converted it to mpg. jam .

From : john kunkel

same system john same problems and possibilities. thats what im trying to get t-bone to understand . . .there is no difference in operation or function. -- budd cochran if the phenomenon you describe did occur there was something wrong in the system other than the entrapped air. use your head if you push the clutch pedal down part way and hold it there any expansion of the fluid or entrapped air could cause pressure to build and alter the position of the to bearing because the system is sealed as soon as the mc piston moves far enough to close off the reservoir port. once the pedal is returned to the up position the fluid must be free to return to the reservoir and since the return port is open when the pedal is up any expansion of the fluid/air will merely push the fluid into the reservoir. anecdotal experiences that describe abnormal operation can only be the result of abnormal conditions such as reservoir port obstruction. well john i disagree but then you werent the one that bled the system and restored the freeplay on that rented 20k pound forklift were you the clue for me was that it got progressively worse as the drivetrain warmed up. one thing has to be remembered about anything made by human hands; it can do things it isnt supposed to do. cant speak of forklifts but any automotive hydraulic clutch system is open to the reservoir once the clutch pedal is in the full up position. any expansion of air or fluid will simply push the volume back into the reservoir. this i8s bgasic high school auto shop i. none. by design there is supposed to be a small fraction of a inch clearance. this was seen in the mechanical systems as your pedals freeplay. when air is left in the system the air can warm up and expand causing the fingers to ride the bearing. not likely since there is no closed end to allow pressure to build. once the master cylinder is in the retracted position the entire system is open to the reservoir any expansion of the fluid or entrapped air will merely push that volume of fluid back into the reservoir. when the clutch pedal is slightly depressed the piston covers the mc port to prevent pressure from back feeding into the reservoir. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote well if you own a saturn and admit to it that says it all. i suppose its no use to politely ask you good folks to drop the aircooled vw group from the distribution list we are not interested. we now know where to find the auction the rest of the conversation is irrelevent to us airheads. thank you jan .

From : tbone

on sun 30 oct 2005 124434 -0700 nathan w. collier bucketdump@yahoo.com wrote the guy said that he drove offroad a lot and between high center of gravity and cross winds he got rid of his old slide-in and got the popup one... i figure with a standard slide in i could take turns with the wifey sleeping/driving. a popup is only usable when its popped up. this one looked like you could sleep in it from what i saw when he popped the back door... it was like a cab high topper when down... damn thing probably cost more than a new truck though.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : john kunkel

no you didnt. you saw a system that had other problems causing the to bearing to be applied due to expansion of the air in the system. now you are telling me what i saw thats presumptuous on your part dont ya think it seems that others question your credibility. no surprise. that is in no way what i said spinmaster. i said that air in the system alone could not cause the to to be applied. and you would be wrong. trapped air could press the to bearing against the clutch fingers causing a higher than normal rate of wear. how much higher depends on many factors. i think ive said that before right ok scotty answer this; if the system is open to the reservoir are you still claiming that the expansion of heated trapped air would apply the to bearing rather than merely push the fluid into the reservoir if yes explain the phenomenon in physical terms. dont be afraid to get real technical. simple physics maxi such as equal and opposit reactions. the fluid or air in the system cannot apply pressure to slave unless it can apply and maintain equal pressure to the master and in an open system it cant. prove that every system works in reality as youve described. weve both merely suggested that odd things can happen despite what the sytem design may allow or safeguard against. would one of those odd things be a blocked return port if so why not just say that and end the debate if the oddity is something else give a hint of what it might be. .

From : budd cochran

my brothers 12 foot yacht displaces a mass of water equal to its weight 165 pounds therefore it has no weight when on the lake the boat still masses and weighs 165 pounds on this planet because even out in the middle of the lake it gravity attracts it. heliums mass is higher than that of hydrogen so it has weight in a gravity well. gravity although minutely attracts all masses together.. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. lol helium always has mass and that point cannot be argued but does it always have weight by the following definition 1. the quality of being heavy; that property of bodies by which they tend toward the center of the earth; the effect of gravitative force especially when expressed in certain units or standards as pounds grams etc. lets break this down to its components 1. the quality of being heavy; it is not heavy actually it is lighter than air. that property of bodies by which they tend toward the center of the earth; it actually moves is pushed away from the earth the effect of gravitative force which is counteracted and negated by the forces of the atmosphere especially when expressed in certain units or standards as pounds grams etc. find me a scale that can weight it without resorting to artificial means such as containment or being in a vacuum. sounds like the point of weight can be debated to me but even at that the fact that you had to resort to a completely off topic argument just shows that you are completely out of gas in your failing hydraulic argument and ill just claim my victory now. have a good day maxi. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. yup and helium has no weight. .

From : tbone

john learn to read. i said in one instance the rented forklift trapped air caused a bearing problemwhich indicates it can happen elsewhere. once again the trapped air by itself couldnt cause that problem; the trapped air had to be in an otherwise malfunctioning system. if you are as knowledgeful of the system as you claim to be you would realize entrapped air could only cause a problem in a system whose return port was plugged. i also stated that the perfect system only exists in text books. bullshit!!! a system that works as advertised is by definition perfect but if by your definition a system has to be incapable of malfunctioning then there is no perfect system. .

From : john kunkel

im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. it is not what i say can or cant happen it is the laws of physics and high school physics at that. its really funny tom that you apply the its physics claim yet have denied it existed at other times. back to the unfounded accusations again care to back this statement up this is degrading quickly and this time it is not me doing it. tom any time you put down a persons experiences or knowledge you degrade them and you did it first. and my statements do not violate the laws of physics. yes they do. the equal and opposite reaction part. unless something is resisting the system venting pressure to the reservoir it cannot apply pressure to the slave cylinder. wrong law of physics tom. newton wasnt involved in this one bernoulli was pressure is exerted equally in all directions. but heres one for you to explain robert goddard is recognized as a developer of modern rocketry especially liquid fuel rockets. in his early experiments the engines blew up not the tanks the engines. now since theres this big old hole in the back why did they blow up what were we thinking . . . we must remember that tom is the worlds greatest living mechanic and knows all sees all and it cant happen unless he wills it. now who is the one not holding up to there word so much for having an intelligent converstation. lol gee a double standard. you can disrespect me but get ticked off if someone disrespects you. the difference here budd is that this is an obvious attack that you just admitted to so much for your word. as i said degrade a persons experience or skill and you insult them. i did not do this and i cannot help it if you seem to still be a bit paranoid and are looking for me to attack you. nope no paranoia. i have no fear of you. the funny thing about that is if you are really looking for it you will find it even if it doesnt really exist and in reality budd when i did attack you in the past i was far from subtle about it so if i was attacking you now.... and you were not subtle at all when you put down my skills and experiences. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : tbone

lol helium always has mass and that point cannot be argued but does it always have weight by the following definition 1. the quality of being heavy; that property of bodies by which they tend toward the center of the earth; the effect of gravitative force especially when expressed in certain units or standards as pounds grams etc. lets break this down to its components 1. the quality of being heavy; it is not heavy actually it is lighter than air. that property of bodies by which they tend toward the center of the earth; it actually moves is pushed away from the earth the effect of gravitative force which is counteracted and negated by the forces of the atmosphere especially when expressed in certain units or standards as pounds grams etc. find me a scale that can weight it without resorting to artificial means such as containment or being in a vacuum. sounds like the point of weight can be debated to me but even at that the fact that you had to resort to a completely off topic argument just shows that you are completely out of gas in your failing hydraulic argument and ill just claim my victory now. have a good day maxi. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. yup and helium has no weight. .

From : tom lawrence

budd cochran wrote i am offended by your comment about my using all my experiences to aid others.why cant i because you dont have any so why attempt to show other wise..... i have driven friends rigs however with airbags and with other spring assists . . but wait thats not admissible is it no it is not. i have driven a couple 18 wheelers for friends for a few miles. doesnt make me a otr driver now does it. same load range. personally i think you had a better suspended rig for heavy usage that the newer designs. btw that would have been a w-250. iirc. better suspension when fully loaded yes. required use of a kidney belt when unloaded. airbags made it worse when unloaded. btw firestone bags are used on many if not most semi-tractors today. and none of them go off road onto trails such as nate said he needed them for. besides their main use in that application is to level the load not more load or control of a top heavy camper. apples to oranges. .

From : tbone

do a google serch on helieum has no weight and youll see....big long discussion was really quite good chris lol when did helium go on a diet -- budd cochran im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. yup and helium has no weight. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. what were we thinking . . . we must remember that tom is the worlds greatest living mechanic and knows all sees all and it cant happen unless he wills it. like how you fixed your ford tom btw what year ford was that -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. do you disagree that an improprerly bled system is working improperly do you have proof that an improperly bled system cannot apply more pressure to a in this case static to bearing do you have proof that it can as you both know and are counting on it is impossible to prove a negative but since you seem to be now making the claim that it can happen a positive how about backing it up. both budd and i have seen cases where a hydraulic clutch system has applied the to bearing due to an improperly bled system. no you didnt. you saw a system that had other problems causing the to bearing to be applied due to expansion of the air in the system. ive seen cases where the master cylinder pushed air into the system the slave cylinder sucked air int othe system and where they both leaked. so what who said that could not happen and what does it have to do with air alone causing the to bearing to be applied you deny that these systems undergo reality based events by claiming what weve seen cant possibly happen. that is in no way what i said spinmaster. i said that air in the system alone could not cause the to to be applied. you made the claim that its impossible back it up. simple physics maxi such as equal and opposit reactions. the fluid or air in the system cannot apply pressure to slave unless it can apply and maintain equal pressure to the master and in an open system it cant. weve both merely suggested that odd things can happen despite what the sytem design may allow or safeguard against. could you possibly backspin any faster i dont have proof of many things that ive seen because i didnt sit there and say a group of jackasses will ask me about this in the future i better take pics put arrows and circles on them document it have it notorized and hermetically seal it so itll be fresh when i pull it out of the file cabinet. oh lol i see the people that dont agree with you are just a group of jackasses. what vehicles did you see this happen to and how did you fix them do you know every possible situation problem result solution to a hydraulic system resorting to the law of infinite possibilities now are we i must say max you do make me laugh. resortign to it hell nature does it all the time as do mechanical things. ive seen things happen that i cannot figure out why a certain problem caused it. i just know they are broken so i fix it and the odd event goes away. if you dont know what caused it then how exactly did you fix it sadly you seem to not have anywhere near the experience that a bunch of us do so you dont understand how strange some problems are and why those problems cause really odd things to happen. thats sad because you liek to come off like you know all the possible problems symptoms or solutions to any given situation. and like most humans there is no way you could you just dont want to admit it. get real max the only one here afraid to admit to error or not knowing between us is you. i never claimed to know everything but in this case i do know that air in the system cannot in itself apply pressure to the to bearing. if there are other problems then it could be a contributing factor to the to being applied but that is it. in this case where you think you know all there is to know about hydraulic systems on vehicles i know for sure youve never seen or tried to bleed a set of kelsey-hayes four piston calipers on an a-body mopar. if you had youd know that trapped air sometimes never finds its way out. and yes there is a reason for it. then i guess that these calipers could never be used on an a-body mopar becuae according to you and budd you would not get very far before that trapped air would expand due to the heat and lock the calipers lol. but hey feel free to think that there are no problems beyond what the text book and the fsm describe. i said no such thing spinmaster. i simply

From : budd cochran

well probably not but i cant say for sure the sheer terror ya know. the side to side sway was scary enough. if hed tried to avoid any size rabbit for example we would have most likely rolled over on a side. i looked under it a couple days later and he had coil over boost springs in the back with tires a little bigger than stock and the stock front sway bar iirc. -- budd cochran had a boss that had a big slide-in on an early 70s ford half tonner. rode with him once to do some catfishing and that thing was all over the road. i resolved right there and then to not ever ride in that rig again. was he getting the truck up on plane with the front tires bouncing about 6-8 off the road .

From : max dodge

roy roy@home.net wrote some nonsense. dont like it dont read my posts. .

From : john kunkel

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From : tbone

im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. it is not what i say can or cant happen it is the laws of physics and high school physics at that. its really funny tom that you apply the its physics claim yet have denied it existed at other times. back to the unfounded accusations again care to back this statement up this is degrading quickly and this time it is not me doing it. and my statements do not violate the laws of physics. yes they do. the equal and opposite reaction part. unless something is resisting the system venting pressure to the reservoir it cannot apply pressure to the slave cylinder. what were we thinking . . . we must remember that tom is the worlds greatest living mechanic and knows all sees all and it cant happen unless he wills it. now who is the one not holding up to there word so much for having an intelligent converstation. lol gee a double standard. you can disrespect me but get ticked off if someone disrespects you. the difference here budd is that this is an obvious attack that you just admitted to so much for your word. i did not do this and i cannot help it if you seem to still be a bit paranoid and are looking for me to attack you. the funny thing about that is if you are really looking for it you will find it even if it doesnt really exist and in reality budd when i did attack you in the past i was far from subtle about it so if i was attacking you now.... -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

it is not what i say can or cant happen it is the laws of physics and high school physics at that. are these the same laws of physics that said helium was unaffected by gravity .

From : budd cochran

suggestions first - narrow it down to which one of the below vehicles is exhibiting this problem 95 ram 2500 c 4x4 95 dakota sport 05 jeep x 85 dodge van 70 merc montego .

From : tbone

symptoms converter locks & unlocks erratically ordered tps rewire kit symptoms will not downshift on its own when coming to a stop i have to pull it in to 1 with the shifter suggestions -- ----------------------------------------- billy k 95 ram 2500 c 4x4 95 dakota sport 05 jeep x 85 dodge van 70 merc montego .

From : tbone

lol when did helium go on a diet -- budd cochran im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. yup and helium has no weight. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. im sorry we keep forgetting that if t-bone says it cant happen then it cant happen. what were we thinking . . . we must remember that tom is the worlds greatest living mechanic and knows all sees all and it cant happen unless he wills it. like how you fixed your ford tom btw what year ford was that -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. do you disagree that an improprerly bled system is working improperly do you have proof that an improperly bled system cannot apply more pressure to a in this case static to bearing do you have proof that it can as you both know and are counting on it is impossible to prove a negative but since you seem to be now making the claim that it can happen a positive how about backing it up. both budd and i have seen cases where a hydraulic clutch system has applied the to bearing due to an improperly bled system. no you didnt. you saw a system that had other problems causing the to bearing to be applied due to expansion of the air in the system. ive seen cases where the master cylinder pushed air into the system the slave cylinder sucked air int othe system and where they both leaked. so what who said that could not happen and what does it have to do with air alone causing the to bearing to be applied you deny that these systems undergo reality based events by claiming what weve seen cant possibly happen. that is in no way what i said spinmaster. i said that air in the system alone could not cause the to to be applied. you made the claim that its impossible back it up. simple physics maxi such as equal and opposit reactions. the fluid or air in the system cannot apply pressure to slave unless it can apply and maintain equal pressure to the master and in an open system it cant. weve both merely suggested that odd things can happen despite what the sytem design may allow or safeguard against. could you possibly backspin any faster i dont have proof of many things that ive seen because i didnt sit there and say a group of jackasses will ask me about this in the future i better take pics put arrows and circles on them document it have it notorized and hermetically seal it so itll be fresh when i pull it out of the file cabinet. oh lol i see the people that dont agree with you are just a group of jackasses. what vehicles did you see this happen to and how did you fix them do you know every possible situation problem result solution to a hydraulic system resorting to the law of infinite possibilities now are we i must say max you do make me laugh. resortign to it hell nature does it all the time as do mechanical things. ive seen things happen that i cannot figure out why a certain problem caused it. i just know they are broken so i fix it and the odd event goes away. if you dont know what caused it then how exactly did you fix it sadly you seem to not have anywhere near the experience that a bunch of us do so you dont understand how strange some problems are and why those problems cause really odd things to happen. thats sad because you liek to come off like you know all the possible problems symptoms or solutions to any given situation. and like most humans there is no way you could you just dont want to admit it. get real max the only one here afraid to admit to error or not knowing between us is you. i never claimed to know everything but in this case i do know that air in the system cannot in itself apply pressure to the to bearing. if there are other problems then it could be a contributing factor to the to being applied but that is it. in this case where you think you know all there is to know about hydraulic systems on vehicles i know for sure youve never seen or tried to bleed a set of kelsey-hayes four piston calipers on an a-body mopar. if you had youd know that trapped air sometimes never finds its way out. and yes there is a reason for it. then i guess that these calipers could never be used on an a-body mopar becuae according to you and budd you would not get very far before that trapped air would expand due to the heat and lock the calipers lol. but hey feel free to think that there are no problems beyond what the text book and the fsm describe. i said no such thing spinmaster. i simply said that trapped air alone could not cause a failure of the to and nothing you have said yet proves that wrong. -- if at firs

From : budd cochran

to come off like you know all the possible problems symptoms or solutions to any given situation. and like most humans there is no way you could you just dont want to admit it. get real max the only one here afraid to admit to error or not knowing between us is you. i never claimed to know everything but in this case i do know that air in the system cannot in itself apply pressure to the to bearing. if there are other problems then it could be a contributing factor to the to being applied but that is it. in this case where you think you know all there is to know about hydraulic systems on vehicles i know for sure youve never seen or tried to bleed a set of kelsey-hayes four piston calipers on an a-body mopar. if you had youd know that trapped air sometimes never finds its way out. and yes there is a reason for it. then i guess that these calipers could never be used on an a-body mopar becuae according to you and budd you would not get very far before that trapped air would expand due to the heat and lock the calipers lol. but hey feel free to think that there are no problems beyond what the text book and the fsm describe. i said no such thing spinmaster. i simply said that trapped air alone could not cause a failure of the to and nothing you have said yet proves that wrong. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

no you didnt. you saw a system that had other problems causing the to bearing to be applied due to expansion of the air in the system. now you are telling me what i saw thats presumptuous on your part dont ya think ive seen cases where the master cylinder pushed air into the system the slave cylinder sucked air int othe system and where they both leaked. so what who said that could not happen and what does it have to do with air alone causing the to bearing to be applied well i thought the part where i stated that air got pushed into the system or sucked into the system might be an indication. no surprise that you would miss it though. that is in no way what i said spinmaster. i said that air in the system alone could not cause the to to be applied. and you would be wrong. trapped air could press the to bearing against the clutch fingers causing a higher than normal rate of wear. how much higher depends on many factors. i think ive said that before right simple physics maxi such as equal and opposit reactions. the fluid or air in the system cannot apply pressure to slave unless it can apply and maintain equal pressure to the master and in an open system it cant. prove that every system works in reality as youve described. weve both merely suggested that odd things can happen despite what the sytem design may allow or safeguard against. could you possibly backspin any faster its the same thing i said at the beginning of your idiotic rant on this topic. oh lol i see the people that dont agree with you are just a group of jackasses. what vehicles did you see this happen to and how did you fix them no just you and john are jackasses most other people actually have reasons for disagreeing with me. resortign to it hell nature does it all the time as do mechanical things. ive seen things happen that i cannot figure out why a certain problem caused it. i just know they are broken so i fix it and the odd event goes away. if you dont know what caused it then how exactly did you fix it youll notice above that i knew what the problem was it simply was causing a symptom that was highly unusual. rather than spend time trying to figure out the oddity i fixed the problem and the oddity went away. its called focussing on the problem rather than wasting time. get real max the only one here afraid to admit to error or not knowing between us is you. do i have to mention the weight of helium as an example of how wrong that last statement was i never claimed to know everything but in this case i do know that air in the system cannot in itself apply pressure to the to bearing. if there are other problems then it could be a contributing factor to the to being applied but that is it. well youre wrong. then i guess that these calipers could never be used on an a-body mopar becuae according to you and budd you would not get very far before that trapped air would expand due to the heat and lock the calipers lol. i never claimed the air would lock the caliper nor did i claim it would disengage the clutch. it will cause a slight application which would wear the to bearing more than normal and does wear these brakes faster than the design that replaced them. it should be no surprise to you that those calipers were discontinued after several iirc 5 years. if they are working properly they work fine for one hard application. after that they have fluid vapor in them and dont work properly until cooled. fortunately they were a less popular option and most cars in those years got drums. after 72 a larger single piston caliper was used and it worked far better. but hey feel free to think that there are no problems beyond what the text book and the fsm describe. i said no such thing spinmaster. i simply said that trapped air alone could not cause a failure of the to and nothing you have said yet proves that wrong. yeah you have said exactly that and yeah ive seen it happen. thats proof enough for me. i dont need to take your word that i was seeing things. have a nice day. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. do you disagree that an improprerly bled system is working improperly do you have proof that an improperly bled system cannot apply more pressure to a in this case static to bearing do you have proof that it can as you both know and are counting on it is impossible to prove a negative but since you seem to be now making the claim that it can happen a positive how about backing it up. both budd and i have seen cases where a hydraulic clutch system has applied the to bearing due to an improperly bled system. no you didnt. you saw a system that had other problems causing the to bearing to be applied due to expansion of the air in the system. ive seen cases where the master cylinder pushed air in

From : max dodge

budd cochran wrote give me a bit more info because theres a lot of folks here in moab with airsprings that have not had any problems. what did you drop them psi to when unloaded was the problem just a stiffer ride what pressure did you inflate them to where they the proper size for your load budd how many trucks of your own have you used air bags on while carrying a slide in camper no not some national guard story or some forklift but your own personal truck and camper. my truck wasnt a 2500 as i mistakenly said but actually a 1989 d250 4x4 with cummins. maybe they work better today......... maybe they would work on nates truck with the longer wheel base and longer rear springs but they didnt work for me then. i really dont need to diagnose why as i found out what did work and posted same. then again if you have a lot of personal experience with your own truck and your own cab over camper you might shed some light to those that desire to here your story. jerry .

From : john kunkel

thanks for the info. if its a daily driver then somethings been neglected like oil and oil filter changes. it appears you have sludge blocked passages. time for some r&r im afraid. -- budd cochran engine is in a daily driver that was running fine. it burned a valve and when i pulled the valve covers i found the oil problem. oil gets changed regularly. it has been running this way for a while because the rockers are badly worn and the heads and lifter gallery are dry. oil comes from the mains up to the rocker shaft stands. then thru the shafts to the rockers. what kind of general shape is the engine in lots of miles with few oil changes has it been sitting for a bunch of years -- budd cochran i have a 1986 dodge 318 that is not getting any oil to the heads. are the pushrods in this engine supposed to have holes in them or does it oil some other way ive only worked on chevys until now. .

From : tbone

i find that they do not put out much light..... i hate driving at night with my truck are they not bright enough are they aimed in the wrong place they do not turn when you turn the steering wheel a little more info would go a long ways!!! i have post this question here before. has anyone solved the problem regarding the ineffectivness of the headlights on this vehicle jem .

From : budd cochran

on wed 02 nov 2005 001306 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote that would probably work and that would be a huge mistake. if the heads have been runny dry long enough to trash the rockers i would say that the seals and guides are pretty much toast as well. re-introducing oil flow at this time would probably result in turning the engine into a killer smoke bomb and make the vehicle undrivable. i would follow budds advice and look into a rebuild or if you do try this method have a set of rebuilt heads and gaskets ready as you may need them really soon. hey its worth a try isnt it the engine will be trash if oiling is not restored and there is a chance restoring oiling will solve the problem without causing it to smoke. would definitely not be the first one. i had a 65 rambler with the same problem that i figured was not worth dissassembling to fix so i fed oil to the rocker shaft with a piece of brake tube connected to a t at the oil pressure switch. shut up the squeaky rockers and no oil consumption problems. .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote give me a bit more info because theres a lot of folks here in moab with airsprings that have not had any problems. what did you drop them psi to when unloaded was the problem just a stiffer ride what pressure did you inflate them to where they the proper size for your load budd how many trucks of your own have you used air bags on while carrying a slide in camper no not some national guard story or some forklift but your own personal truck and camper. ok none for very long. i was given an eight foot cab-over slide-in that needed major repair before using. even as an empty shell it made my stock suspended 79 d-150 sway a bit. i never got it finished as we decided to move to utah. there happy now i am offended by your comment about my using all my experiences to aid others.why cant i i have driven friends rigs however with airbags and with other spring assists . . but wait thats not admissible is it my truck wasnt a 2500 as i mistakenly said but actually a 1989 d250 4x4 with cummins. maybe they work better today......... same load range. personally i think you had a better suspended rig for heavy usage that the newer designs. btw that would have been a w-250. iirc. maybe they would work on nates truck with the longer wheel base and longer rear springs but they didnt work for me then. i really dont need to diagnose why as i found out what did work and posted same. and i was trying to get info that maybe someone else might find useful thats all. since you do not wish to share info that could help someone that is your decision. and btw firestone bags are used on many if not most semi-tractors today. they must work pretty darn good. then again if you have a lot of personal experience with your own truck and your own cab over camper you might shed some light to those that desire to here your story. ok jerry i see your point i think and i dont think not too much of it. i think all our experiences are useful to someone at some time somewhere. i do try to use only the ones that have an application to the topic discussed like the hydraulic clutch on the forklift and the hydraulic clutch on the truck. similar system same operation differing vehicles . . .kinda like talking about one on a dodge pickup and a peterbuilt dump truck . . .if it has one. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : budd cochran

same system john same problems and possibilities. thats what im trying to get t-bone to understand . . .there is no difference in operation or function. -- budd cochran if the phenomenon you describe did occur there was something wrong in the system other than the entrapped air. really what was your first clue maybe it was the bearing wear in function they are the same. heck the earliest hydraulic brakes were plagued with contamination probs because of the lack of residual pressure valves. and one of the problems wasnt self-applying. yeah they did but since its info from a man that worked as a mechanic on them back then you would question it. a hydraulic clutch or braking system is nothing more than a pedal / master cylinder / lines / slave wheel cylinder / piston setup. the only difference is that lack of a common residual valve in the clutch system in most applications. correct and that lack of a rpv means any pressure buildup in the system will be equalized in the reservoir. go on believing that john if you wish. i have experienced otherwise but since you do not accept my word. . . . yep as in a pedal being ridden a master piston not retracting completely a clogged port a clogged cap vent a pinched or plugged line a flap of rubber inside a flexible line . . .shall i go on the system is defective so air can be the problem if not the whole problem. from your first reply on 10/27 quote however an improperly bled hydraulic clutch can when the system gets warm from under the hood heat hold pressure on a throwout bearing . . .just like it would be if you rode the pedal. end quote your original claim made no mention of abnormalities other than entrapped air and now you want it to sound like you meant entrapped air in an already malfunctioning system. you and your buddy max fail to realize your back pedaling is obvious in a forum that archives previous posts. i am not backpedaling. from the original posters statement i assumed the system was known to be defective. my stupid mistake. i forget that reality doesnt always exist here. in my case it was learned at the school of hard knocks. . . ojt. so i had to analyze and correct usually without the aid of an instructor or even a manual. but it also meant i had to do trial and error testing and then determine the benefit or hindrance of each step. your anecdotal claim was that the problem with the forklift was solely caused by air entrapment and that simple bleeding cured the problem. it did. if you were as savvy as you claim to be you would know that simply bleeding air from a system with other malfunctions would have been only a temporary bandaid; the problem would have recurred. well gee john . . . .we rented the truck for six weeks and the problem never came back. now since the bled out fluid had no foreign matter in it just bubbles the reservoir had no crap in it i think it would safe to say the problem was the darned air in the system. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : max dodge

well thanks for the replys all sorry i didnt put the details of the truck but here they are 1999 3/4 4x4 w tow/plow pakage quad cab v10. 37000mi i use it primarliy for towing my tt. tom for the miles you put on your truck i dont know if it is worth it to trade. save it for pulling the trailer drive something else when not. if you averaged allot more than the 5000 miles a year that you are doing now i would be tempted to go with a diesel. i sure as hell would not go with something smaller!! as i see it your options are to stay with the truck you have or go diesel. trading to another gas of any size seems foolish to me when the primary use is to tow a travel trailer. as for having a diesel sitting for long periods between use our farm trucks often sat for 11 month a year between use. did not seem to bother them! greg .

From : john kunkel

roy wrote roy wrote but i am not using twice as much gasand i do not have to plug in my truck on cold winter nights and put 12 or 14 quarts in the crankcase and listen to the engine rattle all the time not to mention the extra 6 or 7 grand it cost too. if you like a oil burner fine if you like them but you are not saving any money with one in todays market. when you factor all the costs you are loosing money with one so it is not cheaper to drive one today. oh bullshit! list for the cummins is 5k and ya get other stuff with it. cummins will out work and out last a gas engine. cummins is 300k plus before tear down. im sure you have a chevy gasser that has 300k and is just wonderful. fuel here is 30 cents more than gas. i plug mine in at home cause the heat is nice at work when it sits for 24 hours it starts right up. the common rail is much quieter. your gasser depreciates like a rock/ iirc the return on a cummins starts at 100k. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com not likely if you service a gas engine correctly and add a engine oil cooler like the oil burner has to have it will die without one it will last about as long and when it time comes it will be a lot cheaper to fix. everyone that says how great and cheap oil burners are never factor in the cost of buy and maintaining one and now the higher cost of fuel and not to mention the the front of the truck weighs about 700 or 800 pounds more up front with a cummins in it and removes payload capacity because the gvw of a like gas truck is the same. they did not redesigned the frame and front end for that weight either and give it it own front end it is the same frame and front end that is used in a gas truck. dodge quietly replace the front axle design in 03 because of the problems they were have with front drive axle on ctd models from added weight. i run a few plow trucks and have for years and i know that i can start my gas trucks a minus 20 quickly with no heat and be on my way quickly if need be and i can shut it off anytime anywhere in any weathr and know i can restart it and i do not have to leave it banging away wasting fuel to keep it warm. i can go to a drive thru and not have to shout or turn my engine off to be heard either and nobody knows i am coming until a get there either because it is quiet and nobody knows i am in a truck when on cell phone either. again if you like them fine but cheap and lasts longer that is bs because you can rebuild a gas engine for a lot less than a cummins and just a rebuilt injector pump and injector can cost a lot more that a completely rebuilt gas motor. first time that oil burner breaks out of warranty you will pay through the nose to fix it. diesels have a place but not in my p/u and at todays fuel price they make even less sense. gas here is 2.13 and diesel is 3.34 pal from what ya posted above i have a couple of thoughts for ya. read up and get some current information. read up and get some accurate information. im sure others will correct you. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com no you are just blinded thats all. i drove a c70 triaxle dump in the later 70s while going to college and it had over 150k on it when drove it and it was still going strong and it had a 60k gvw too. okay i guess we have to go down memory lanne here. my first plow truck was a 57 chevy 2wd 3speed it had a plow that to raise you pumped up sorta like a porta power then flipped a lever and it would drop. power angle right ya pulled a pin and muscled the blade. whats my point there isnt one. the info above is meaningless to this thread as is the crap youve laid out. it is old and outdated as is your info about todays diesel. i also knew a old man that did some part time hauling back then he was retired and had a 58 c60 single axle dump chevy with a 6 banger and a 8 speed 4x2 and he regularly hauled 8 ton of asphalt or gravel with it and did fine and it was nearly 20 years old and still stock and ran like a fine watch. the guy i knew had a chain drive. todays drivetrains are better. i guess these trucks got along fine without a cummins back then. you have the problem because you seem to think to tow and to last long you have to have a oil burner but that is simply not true and they are not any cheaper to drive these days either. you really need to get out more. your properly cool and maintain a gas motor it will run a very long time. agreed but it will probably not last as long as a diesel nor will it be as cost effective. one thing you might want to get a clue about. quite a few of us here are probably older or as old as you. and have seen some of the same stuff as you. also most have played with cars trucks boats farm equipment locomotives race cars pwcatvs and much more. most have learned to try to keep up with improvements and technology. you would be well served imo to do th

From : budd cochran

it is not the same system budd and saying that it is just makes you look foolish. if what you say is true then the only way that you could compress a brake caliper piston back into its bore would be to open up the brake bleeder and we both know that you do not have to do that it may be a good idea but not a requirement. nobody else in the group agrees with you here on this point including max so that alone should tell you something. the principles of operation are the same tom and in basic design they are the same.. did you know that some hd clutch systems use a 2 pound residual valve like a disk brake to reduce the possibility of air / water contamination it uses a slightly heavier return spring to compensate for the pressure. and if the pressure exceeds this extra 2 pounds this system will still vent it off to the reservoir just like the ones without it so what is your point the same as before that the system is not a perfect system its reality. its made by man not god. btw you never had a master cylinder piston that couldnt retract properly have you like i reminded john the system is already screwed up. it is not a perfect text book scenario tom. first of all budd you dont know what in the system is screwed up. and neither do you. the op didnt say. it could be and probably is just a bad bearing and nothing more it happens. yep. had a freshly rebuilt alternator freeze up in the parking lot at the parts store right after i had exchanged it for my defective one. btdt. it could also be operator error or just excessive usage as we discussed. maybe there is something else wrong with the system and if so then the air would again not be the cause of the problem it would be the defective component and the problem would exist whether there was air in it or not. wrong tom. if the system is defective air could be the problem since air in the system is a problem if it gets into the system. as for foolish appearances tom that would be anyone that doubts the experiences of a older more experienced person and discards them out-of-hand for the simple reason that person is older grayer more experienced the answer isnt found in some text book disagrees with some popular answercorrect or not or . . . . pick as many as you want. just because you are older does not mean that you know more and to think so is foolish. well tom being younger sure hasnt stopped you from thinking im less intelligent trained experienced skillful ad nauseum than you in the past. the fact you have admitted in the past to not having much experience should be enough to suggest that you listen and learn from others with more experience. i dont dismiss you or your input out of hand but that does not mean that you are always right. i dont claim to be right all the time and yes you have dismissed my input out of hand but be that as it may i do have experiences you have not had will probably never have since you no longer work commercially in automotive repair. this instance is one of those times. it does seem budd that once you have an opinion you are correct and if someone does not agree with you they are wrong simple as that damages your credibility take it from someone that knows. oh dear . . .tom you have a tendency to attack anothers credibility as soon as yours in in jeopardy. you made a claim that air in the system would always cause this problem and that is incorrect regardless of what the popular answer is. no tom read my original statement the one not spun by you and you will see i said having air in the system is always a problem. tom id like to know who made you official spokesman for this group. at this time anyone that disagrees with toms claim of being group spokesman and that no one supports me as a person they may post a rebuttal. where in the hell did i claim to be the spokesman for anything i simply made a comment that was true and nobody in the list denied it including max. nobody else in the group agrees with you here on this point including max so that alone should tell you something. a blanket statement implicating you take the position of speaking for everyone. dont turn this into one of your diatribes. i can see where this is starting to go and like i said i have no intent of going there. too late you already did. budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : john kunkel

roy wrote roy wrote but i am not using twice as much gasand i do not have to plug in my truck on cold winter nights and put 12 or 14 quarts in the crankcase and listen to the engine rattle all the time not to mention the extra 6 or 7 grand it cost too. if you like a oil burner fine if you like them but you are not saving any money with one in todays market. when you factor all the costs you are loosing money with one so it is not cheaper to drive one today. oh bullshit! list for the cummins is 5k and ya get other stuff with it. cummins will out work and out last a gas engine. cummins is 300k plus before tear down. im sure you have a chevy gasser that has 300k and is just wonderful. fuel here is 30 cents more than gas. i plug mine in at home cause the heat is nice at work when it sits for 24 hours it starts right up. the common rail is much quieter. your gasser depreciates like a rock/ iirc the return on a cummins starts at 100k. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com not likely if you service a gas engine correctly and add a engine oil cooler like the oil burner has to have it will die without one it will last about as long and when it time comes it will be a lot cheaper to fix. everyone that says how great and cheap oil burners are never factor in the cost of buy and maintaining one and now the higher cost of fuel and not to mention the the front of the truck weighs about 700 or 800 pounds more up front with a cummins in it and removes payload capacity because the gvw of a like gas truck is the same. they did not redesigned the frame and front end for that weight either and give it it own front end it is the same frame and front end that is used in a gas truck. dodge quietly replace the front axle design in 03 because of the problems they were have with front drive axle on ctd models from added weight. i run a few plow trucks and have for years and i know that i can start my gas trucks a minus 20 quickly with no heat and be on my way quickly if need be and i can shut it off anytime anywhere in any weathr and know i can restart it and i do not have to leave it banging away wasting fuel to keep it warm. i can go to a drive thru and not have to shout or turn my engine off to be heard either and nobody knows i am coming until a get there either because it is quiet and nobody knows i am in a truck when on cell phone either. again if you like them fine but cheap and lasts longer that is bs because you can rebuild a gas engine for a lot less than a cummins and just a rebuilt injector pump and injector can cost a lot more that a completely rebuilt gas motor. first time that oil burner breaks out of warranty you will pay through the nose to fix it. diesels have a place but not in my p/u and at todays fuel price they make even less sense. gas here is 2.13 and diesel is 3.34 pal from what ya posted above i have a couple of thoughts for ya. read up and get some current information. read up and get some accurate information. im sure others will correct you. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com no you are just blinded thats all. i drove a c70 triaxle dump in the later 70s while going to college and it had over 150k on it when drove it and it was still going strong and it had a 60k gvw too. i also knew a old man that did some part time hauling back then he was retired and had a 58 c60 single axle dump chevy with a 6 banger and a 8 speed 4x2 and he regularly hauled 8 ton of asphalt or gravel with it and did fine and it was nearly 20 years old and still stock and ran like a fine watch. i guess these trucks got along fine without a cummins back then. you have the problem because you seem to think to tow and to last long you have to have a oil burner but that is simply not true and they are not any cheaper to drive these days either. your properly cool and maintain a gas motor it will run a very long time. -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .

From : john kunkel

back pedaling again your claim was and has been that entrapped air alone will cause the to bearing to apply even in an otherwise normal system. really because id like to see where i claimed anything of the sort. i suggested that air could do that under certain circumstances but not all by itself. a failure of the pedal to release is an abnormal condition. budd is claiming that entrapped air alone caused the to to apply and that a simple bleeding cured the problem. if the pedal wasnt in the full up position and bleeding was used to cure the problem the problem would recur; budd claims it didnt. yet not being able to see the device that budd was working on youre willing to claim otherwise. hell i remember doing a clutch on a late 80s f250 5spd built by mazda had the concentric slave cylinder. bleed procedure required vigorous pumping 10-20 times. this step was to be repeated at least five times. after the second round of pumping the clutch was operable but air was still in the system. in this case i suppose i could have waited a week for the air to work its way to the top if it would. its an open system and yet i doubt after having bled it that the air would have come out on its own. i know thats an open system but i seriously doubt that the air in the slave cylinder would have just worked its way out. why well interesting that you migh ask that..... see the bleed valve is at the top of the cylinder so air comes out the bleeder first wonderful how they think of such things. the line from the master cylinder went into the lower side of the slave cylinder thus making it impossible for any air in the slave cylinder to get out unless the system were bled. oddly enough haha i recall a bunch of hydraulic systems with the bleeder at the top of the slave and the feed line at the bottom of the slave cylinder. probably the same reason they put the bleeder on the top of a caliper or the top of a wheel cylinder and feed it from the bottom. and yeah i know youll say that the expansion should push the fluid back to out the top. but the likelyhood of that happening while someone keeps operating the master cylinder is minimal. yeah its so unusual to have air trapped in a slave cylinder. next time i see it happen ill be sure to document it with all the pics i can get and have a notary certify my statements for you two. id tell ya both to go back to school but the proof is under the truck in your respective driveways. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. .

From : john kunkel

same system john same problems and possibilities. thats what im trying to get t-bone to understand . . .there is no difference in operation or function. -- budd cochran if the phenomenon you describe did occur there was something wrong in the system other than the entrapped air. really what was your first clue maybe it was the bearing wear in function they are the same. heck the earliest hydraulic brakes were plagued with contamination probs because of the lack of residual pressure valves. and one of the problems wasnt self-applying. a hydraulic clutch or braking system is nothing more than a pedal / master cylinder / lines / slave wheel cylinder / piston setup. the only difference is that lack of a common residual valve in the clutch system in most applications. correct and that lack of a rpv means any pressure buildup in the system will be equalized in the reservoir. yep as in a pedal being ridden a master piston not retracting completely a clogged port a clogged cap vent a pinched or plugged line a flap of rubber inside a flexible line . . .shall i go on the system is defective so air can be the problem if not the whole problem. from your first reply on 10/27 quote however an improperly bled hydraulic clutch can when the system gets warm from under the hood heat hold pressure on a throwout bearing . . .just like it would be if you rode the pedal. end quote your original claim made no mention of abnormalities other than entrapped air and now you want it to sound like you meant entrapped air in an already malfunctioning system. you and your buddy max fail to realize your back pedaling is obvious in a forum that archives previous posts. in my case it was learned at the school of hard knocks. . . ojt. so i had to analyze and correct usually without the aid of an instructor or even a manual. but it also meant i had to do trial and error testing and then determine the benefit or hindrance of each step. your anecdotal claim was that the problem with the forklift was solely caused by air entrapment and that simple bleeding cured the problem. if you were as savvy as you claim to be you would know that simply bleeding air from a system with other malfunctions would have been only a temporary bandaid; the problem would have recurred. .

From : budd cochran

thats not possible. the clutch will not apply under any scenario resulting from an improperly bled system. try reading what budd said. he mentioned nothing about the clutch. simply said that an improperly bled system could result in faster than normal throwout bearing wear. that is not only possible its probable. i am not sure that this is exactly what budd either said or meant but if you actually believe this max prove it because in reality you are dead wrong. there is no way in hell that an improperly bled system could cause excessive wear to the bearing but it is highly probable to cause excessive wear to the clutch. i dont claim to be a hydraulics expert but there are some simple facts that seem to be completely distorted. no tom it depends on the volume of air left in the system. on hydraulic machinery in the muffler factory ive seen a 3 dia by 24 cylinder full of hot air bend a 3 exhaust pipe with a laminated wall 0.072 thick . .. . .the heat coming from an oil based fire below the cylinder. i think that you are comparing two different systems. the cylinder that you are talking about was in a closed system which gave the building pressure no where to go so it pushed the piston out with enough force to bend the pipe. in a hydraulic clutch when the pedal is fully released it is effectively an open system and any expansion of either gas or fluid will simply dump the excess into the reservoir without building any pressure by design. on the pines bender in the example the pistons have orifices to allow the wing die to follow the bending action. pressure from the pump is applied to both sides of the piston with the extend line having up 30% higher flow to maintain contact with the pipe. in this example the cylinder had been just rebuilt and was being installed. the millwright left the job for lunch and someone tossed a cigarette butt in the oily mess on the floor below the cylinder. the cylinder was connected but no oil had flowed yet in a systems test. i figured that the cylinder had to be empty or near empty to build up that much pressure and like i thought the system was closed allowing the pressure to build up. tom if equal pressure is applied on both sides of a piston which way does it move now again there are flow controls in the circuit the front and rear of the piston are interconnected and the fire would have heated the retract side of the piston first. come on why did it do what it did i was the apprentice millwright on the job that day. when we heard the fire alarm we went to help put it out and thats when i saw the bent pipe. the opposing wing die had not moved even though it is in parallel in the hydraulic circuit. not seeing the system i cannot make any valid comment on why it didnt move. but you have anyway. yeah the set-up man lost his position because of poor housekeeping. and if the fire was as unintentional as you make it sound he should have. he had been told repeatedly to clean up the mess of oil absorbent petro-sorb and dirt that he had tossed under the cylinder to catch the drips from the worn shaft seals. another employee walked by and tossed a butt in the mess. well in all honesty the idiot that threw the butt should have also been canned. in todays environment probably. that factory is now a non-smoking establishment even though the air is cloudy with oil smoke. back then it wasnt and the worst he could have been charged with was negligence with the butt. the real problem was the oily mess. then dont forget that all the power your engines make comes from coffee can sized volumes of air heated by burning fuel. while true you are dealing with both combustion and a closed system neither of which exist in a hydraulic clutch at rest. it can. lol while the vehicle could catch on fire the combustion part no vehicles hydraulic clutch that i am aware of would be in a closed mode at rest and i know that the dodge is not since i have one so at least in this case and since the op did not complain about hard shifting a symptom of air in the system air in the lines was probably not the cause here. tom are you going to start this kind of stuff again i supposed now you are the expert in all hydraulics system malfunctions as well . . . . first of all gas liquid and solids all expand to some degree when heated with the difference being that liquids and solids apply extreme pressure when any expansion occurs and gasses do not unless the expansion is significant. the reason why there is a slight gap required in a mechanical clutch linkage is due to the possible expansion of the mechanical parts partially engaging the clutch and causing excessive wear and slippage to the clutch not the bearing. the return spring serves to stop the linkage from rattling when in full release due to the required gap as much as

From : tbone

suddenly without warning mike simmons exclaimed 01-nov-05 1018 am on sun 30 oct 2005 132454 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 29 oct 2005 171936 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote just moved the plow out of the garage and now it is snowing. should be a helluva winter!! roy good luck!! im glad youre ready cause im not. 58 degrees around here today and im loving it. denny no way this will be plowable. i still have to come up with some compensatory weight. dont go there.g roy i guess the freight charges to get bugs there would be counter productive right bro you would be correct. the deal with transporting the friggin rabbit is the added expense of the permits and escort vhicles for the wide load. perhaps one of those catapult things you build sorry the name escapes me tr... something. maybe ya could sort of launch him this way. roy i think he would overload a treb bro.. they usually threw 250 pound rocks.. on the good side since the trajectory is at about a 45 degree angle he might gain distance with proper use of the ears as flaps.. mac please remove splinters before emailing yeah and on the way down he can use the cottontail as a drogue chute... ^ mike and how many $$ would all you comedians pay to get pictures of this event im thinking i may be able to retire...... denny id throw in a buck or two.... mac.... roy ;^ mike im in for... ok what do i have here.... uh 1.59 jmc .

From : tbone

what would lower gears due to gas mileage which is what this thread is all about john higher numerically lower would increase it. roy .

From : max dodge

nate... have you looked into toy hauler trailers sure have not big enough for all our toys and gear. -- nathan w. collier so where you go you need a winch to get in and out but you can haul a 24 foot trailer in and out something is not making sense here. al .

From : marsh monster

on wed 26 oct 2005 233423 -0700 big al nospamsal1@qwest.net wrote . . one more thing..... if you do it this saturday...... drag yer pc out under the truck with you..... and if that tranny falls on yer arm..... and yer buddy didnt show up like he promised....... and no one comes when you start screamn..... reminds me of something that happened many years ago. my friend had a hemi coronet and the clutch disk split. so i was under the car removing the transmission. had everything loose but it would not budge so i was under the transmission pulling on the tail shaft and rocking it up and down. the transmission jumped off the bell housing and fell right on my chest. the car was not up very high and i could not get out from under the transmission and i could not roll it off me. while i was suffocating somehow i got free. my chest was sore for a month. that was my first mopar 4 speed extraction. before that most of what i worked on were chevys and they had toy 4 speeds. much later i pulled the transmission out of a 76 volare super six with the overdrive transmission. one look at that thing reminded me of the hemi. drilled four holes in the swivel plate on my floor jack and made an angle

From : max dodge

suddenly without warning roy exclaimed 27-oct-05 606 pm suddenly without warning denny exclaimed 25-oct-05 1046 pm mike never mind the pile on factor. what concerns me is what he offered when he hopped into this thread. something about hugs with the op. maybe being pink has sort of how do i say this perhaps changed his focus im sorta at a loss for a explanation of his current behavior. maybe some bad carrots affected him. bfg roy not to worry roy... least not about that!.... the op is a she.....course we could always start rumors..... he..he..he... ^ mike now i see thru this big cloud of dust from yet another pile-on.........you alls jealous that sweet-lovable me might get a cyber hug and you all arent.. start all the rumors you want itll still be good for us.......i hope.. vbg denny id like to say the op has been sitting back quite enjoying this little exchange one of these days im going to have to do some googling to find out the origin of the whole bunny thing though i dont know if google goes back that far..... ^.... the bunny thing goes waaaay back..... you see when denny was a little kid......... back when he was just a little bunny. in fact it was so long age he was eating strained carrots. now that i think about given his size he is probably eating them strained now. g roy well not so far back. may 10 2002 to be exact. something about ammonia needles and roys fantasies about denny. oh and semi-fast vettes. - we are all immortal on usenet 8-o jmc .

From : budd cochran

budd is correct many times in a hydraulic clutch design the throwout bearing continues to ride lightly on the clutch fingers. it is assumed that as long as the pressure is light gravity feed of fluid is very light it will have little effect on th clutch. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. ok by what design the master cylinder is above the slave cylinder. gravity would put some pressure on the slave cylinder. i dont see any way for the slave to back off the throw out arm. on an old truck with mechanical linkage there are two springs to keep the throw out bearing off the pressure plate fingers. and when adjusted correctly it works. al none. by design there is supposed to be a small fraction of a inch clearance. this was seen in the mechanical systems as your pedals freeplay. when air is left in the system the air can warm up and expand causing the fingers to ride the bearing. -- budd cochran its probably not al. all the hydraulic clutch does is replace the old bind-prone mechanical linkage between pedal and bellhousing. however an improperly bled hydraulic clutch can when the system gets warm from under the hood heat hold pressure on a throwout bearing . . .just like it would be if you rode the pedal. -- budd cochran so what keeps the throw out bearing from riding on the clutch fingers i dont remember seeing a spring of any kind under there. al .

From : any name

you could take up marbles as a hobby. they take up very little space and the money you save on all this other stuff would pay for hotel rooms until the second coming. .

From : any name

my bad. i did not read your question correctly. i thought it was an automatic and you just wanted to remove it. i dont know about standards. i would guess you take them out one way and put them back just the opposite way. .

From : cricket

i agree with using the toy hauler trailers. they also make an atv rack that goes above the truck bed that will hold 2 atvs and you can still use the bed for other stuff. on wed 26 oct 2005 212015 -0600 nathan w. collier bucketdump@yahoo.com wrote nate... have you looked into toy hauler trailers just made for family trips with off road stuff along... http//www.rvnetlinx.com/httypeth.php3 i want to be able to load up the entire family and head out into the mountains for atv/ruv/mx riding weekends. my goal is to get a camper and since well be taking 2 atvs and 4 dirt bikes we need to tow my 18 enclosed trailer http//utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=4364 which limits us to a slide in type camper. ive been looking at a few different models and brands and the only ones that appear big enough for all of us are the slide ins with overhang over the rear bumper. i dont know much about these setups and how they work in relation to trailer towing. my trailer is 3000 pounds empty. add the atv/ruv/mx and gear and im looking at somewhere around 6000 pounds with probably 600 pounds of tongue weight. i have the stock class iv hitch on my tow rig http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html and i dont know if it could safely support 600 pounds of tongue weight on a 3 or 4 foot hitch extension. any knowledgeable advice on this would be greatly appreciated. are there any other concerns i should be aware of any reason why i should be concerned about hauling a 3500 pound camper in the back of the truck while simultaneously towing up to 10000 pounds any camper specific recommendations how about a good camper dealer thanks mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : big al

if youre going into country that rough you will be tipping the whole thing over can you say center of gravity and losing the trailer down the hill when the hitch breaks off. other than that youll probably have a good day. bill my suggestion get a good used motorhome. a motorhome would be incapable of accessing the places we go. if i didnt have a winch on the front of my truck i wouldnt even try getting there that way. -- nathan w. collier http//inlinediesel.com http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote nate what your drive-train / suspension sees is a combination load camper and all your supplies for the duration plus the the tongue load. thats all your food water clothes bedding and any other necessities and then add the weight of the slide-in plus the tongue weight of the trailer. combined its very easy to overload the truck and not realize it. think back when i moved from co to ut. i ended up with a load that was 1k lbs over the axle gross rating after i dumped all the stuff i could and some i couldnt. i should have rented a u-haul truck not a trailer and towed the d-150 my suggestion get a good used motorhome. you would have more room and still be able tow your trailers . . just not to the off-road campsites. around here a lot of off-road vehicles are towed in with ordinary motorhomes if you call 50 footers ordinary which get parked near the area of activity then the atv jeeps whatever are unloaded. -- budd cochran i want to be able to load up the entire family and head out into the mountains for atv/ruv/mx riding weekends. my goal is to get a camper and since well be taking 2 atvs and 4 dirt bikes we need to tow my 18 enclosed trailer http//utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=4364 which limits us to a slide in type camper. ive been looking at a few different models and brands and the only ones that appear big enough for all of us are the slide ins with overhang over the rear bumper. i dont know much about these setups and how they work in relation to trailer towing. my trailer is 3000 pounds empty. add the atv/ruv/mx and gear and im looking at somewhere around 6000 pounds with probably 600 pounds of tongue weight. i have the stock class iv hitch on my tow rig http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html and i dont know if it could safely support 600 pounds of tongue weight on a 3 or 4 foot hitch extension. any knowledgeable advice on this would be greatly appreciated. are there any other concerns i should be aware of any reason why i should be concerned about hauling a 3500 pound camper in the back of the truck while simultaneously towing up to 10000 pounds any camper specific recommendations how about a good camper dealer thanks -- nathan w. collier http//inlinediesel.com http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com i have a extended cab long box 1 ton ctd with a slide in camper. when the fuel tank h2o tank are full groceries clothes golf clubs the case of beer etc and the 2 of us in the cab we are 200 pounds under the gvw .

From : big al

ok by what design the master cylinder is above the slave cylinder. gravity would put some pressure on the slave cylinder. i dont see any way for the slave to back off the throw out arm. on an old truck with mechanical linkage there are two springs to keep the throw out bearing off the pressure plate fingers. and when adjusted correctly it works. al none. by design there is supposed to be a small fraction of a inch clearance. this was seen in the mechanical systems as your pedals freeplay. when air is left in the system the air can warm up and expand causing the fingers to ride the bearing. -- budd cochran its probably not al. all the hydraulic clutch does is replace the old bind-prone mechanical linkage between pedal and bellhousing. however an improperly bled hydraulic clutch can when the system gets warm from under the hood heat hold pressure on a throwout bearing . . .just like it would be if you rode the pedal. -- budd cochran so what keeps the throw out bearing from riding on the clutch fingers i dont remember seeing a spring of any kind under there. al .

From : budd cochran

in birmingham they love the governor backup singers go boo boo boo theyre booing wallace. however we all did what we could do means they did all they could do to get him in office. thats coming from one of the co-writers on the song. it all boils down to the man who wrote the lyrics probably had some conflicting feelings on this subject and its up to you to interpret what it means to you. i think ronnie wrote it that way. if youre racist and think the song is racist then buy the album! if you arent racist and think the song is anti-racism then buy the album! if you write songs that are like this then you arent leaving anyone out. .

From : big al

suddenly without warning denny exclaimed 25-oct-05 1046 pm mike never mind the pile on factor. what concerns me is what he offered when he hopped into this thread. something about hugs with the op. maybe being pink has sort of how do i say this perhaps changed his focus im sorta at a loss for a explanation of his current behavior. maybe some bad carrots affected him. bfg roy not to worry roy... least not about that!.... the op is a she.....course we could always start rumors..... he..he..he... ^ mike now i see thru this big cloud of dust from yet another pile-on.........you alls jealous that sweet-lovable me might get a cyber hug and you all arent.. start all the rumors you want itll still be good for us.......i hope.. vbg denny id like to say the op has been sitting back quite enjoying this little exchange one of these days im going to have to do some googling to find out the origin of the whole bunny thing though i dont know if google goes back that far..... ^.... the bunny thing goes waaaay back..... you see when denny was a little kid......... ^ dont you have a heated seat switch that needs flicked bg denny .

From : tom lawrence

what is the fire order for a 1988 dodge 4x4 with a 318 engine. and what is the order the plugs hook into the cap .

From : john

its not only southern man they were referring to. they were also responding to alabama. neil young and ronnie van zant always mentioned how each others music influenced them. if ronnie van zant hated neil young you wouldnt have seen him wearing a neil young tee shirt so often. skynrd was trying to push the southern personna of the band. what better way than to hang a confederate flag on the stage and to lyrically is that a word attack someone who was criticizing the pre civil rights movement south. by the way he was wearing a neil young tee shirt when the plane crashed. neil young can easily be compared to people like jackson sharpton and dylan who look for problems so they can put their loud mouths to use and have a reason to be noticed. skynrd capitalized on neil youngs mission in life. they probably included the lyrics in birmingham they love the governor because in birmingham they loved the governor.seperate reality from the acting that goes on in the entertainment industry. john .

From : max dodge

have a 92 dodge w250. the throw out bearing is starting to go bad. has anyone here pulled the transmission and transfer case as a unit on my last transmission r&r i thought about it... for about 10 seconds before realizing i was making more work for myself. the driveshafts have to come off anyway so youre only talking 6 nuts to remove in order to yank the transfer case. would it be better to separate them definately. .

From : max dodge

i got a dodge with power now im thinking or trading it for one that gets some mileage. was going to get a diesel then they raised the price of fuel another $ .50 cents a gallon. sooo no point in putting up with the associated problems in a deisel in the cold climate we have here in mn for higher priced fuel. well im thinking about a nissan titan to pull my 7800 lb tt with but have no idea what they get for pulling mileage. they say 14 to 18 mpg i suppose that is not pulling. my present dodge gets 8-8.5mpg pulling not pulling flat land mountains all the same- 8 mpg. there is much to do about chips for more power but are there any chips for more mileage i love that truck-- i hate the mileage it gets. sacrafice power for mileage in a heartbeat! any usefull advice appreicated flames ect. will be ignored thanks tom. .

From : john kunkel

isnt a f350 one of those dinky toy kind of things. we are talking real trucks here. an f350 doesnt come with a paper hidden in the center console that says this vehicle is not recommended for hauling a slide in camper. i dont understand why chryco says that their flagship diesel truck isnt capable or not recommended anyway of hauling a slide in camper. i dont think this would have affected my decision to buy my truck. it is by far the most awesome vehicle ive ever owned at least for towing anyway......but i do wish this paper wasnt hidden in a spot that nobody checks before buying a vehicle. it was never mentioned by my dealership and not posted anywhere else that ive found. if the axle is incapable of handling the weight of a slide in camper put a bigger axle in. -- nathan w. collier http//inlinediesel.com http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com .

From : budd cochran

if the hydraulic system had a spring like budd said there would be no way to control free play. it would just return the slave all the way in. al uh al they make adjustable pushrods dont they besides one advantage to a hydraulic setup is the ease or lack of need for adjustment. with a hydraulic setup everything can be slammed together at the factory bled with a pressurized filler and sent down the line. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .