Regional advertising = dealer scam?
From : pk not going to tell
Q: im trying to close the deal on a 2004 ram 1500 quadcab slt 4x4. im ordering it none anywhere around here equipped the way i want it ive been offered invoice plus $505 in regional advertising costs. my thought is that those added numbers are just dealer padding - advertising costs whether done by the dealer or by chrysler corp should come out of the profit made at the dealership or corporation respectively. so is the $505 a dealer add-on or does it really come down from corp its not shown on the invoice according to edmunds or any of the other invoice-pricing places and i cant pry the real invoice as opposed to a local printout out of the dealer. im trying to close the order today - any help out there tia pk .
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From : thats me
when i got my 2003 1500 qc hemi in may i had to pay the $550 dealer area advertizing costs but i got the dealer to split the $850 factory holdback 50/50 with me. so i got mine for invoice +$125. just depends upon how bad your dealer wants the sale. on thu 11 dec 2003 111656 -0600 pk not.going.to@tell wrote im trying to close the deal on a 2004 ram 1500 quadcab slt 4x4. im ordering it none anywhere around here equipped the way i want it ive been offered invoice plus $505 in regional advertising costs. my thought is that those added numbers are just dealer padding - advertising costs whether done by the dealer or by chrysler corp should come out of the profit made at the dealership or corporation respectively. so is the $505 a dealer add-on or does it really come down from corp its not shown on the invoice according to edmunds or any of the other invoice-pricing places and i cant pry the real invoice as opposed to a local printout out of the dealer. im trying to close the order today - any help out there tia pk have a nice day. ldpoos@nopants.juno.com remove nopants to reply by direct e-mail; support the right to privacy and anti-spam projects. .
From : tbone
order it from another dealer and see if they do the same thing. you could also make it a condition of the deal that they eat that cost or you will buy somewhere else even if another dealership charges the same thing. if they really want to make the sale they will do it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving im trying to close the deal on a 2004 ram 1500 quadcab slt 4x4. im ordering it none anywhere around here equipped the way i want it ive been offered invoice plus $505 in regional advertising costs. my thought is that those added numbers are just dealer padding - advertising costs whether done by the dealer or by chrysler corp should come out of the profit made at the dealership or corporation respectively. so is the $505 a dealer add-on or does it really come down from corp its not shown on the invoice according to edmunds or any of the other invoice-pricing places and i cant pry the real invoice as opposed to a local printout out of the dealer. im trying to close the order today - any help out there tia pk .
From : bantootmike simmons
how do you park into the wind at an intersection waiting for the light or stop sign i know others having problems with exhaust fumes coming into the cab of 03s and 04s even when running at 40mph. these are brand new trucks... there must be a flaw in the new cummins or body style somewhere .
From : pk not going to tell
so far the two dealers ive talked to have had the same charges - one of them wanted $1600 over invoice though. ive got an autobytel contact i need to call back - i dont know if hell have the same padding or not. pk on thu 11 dec 2003 135713 -0500 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote order it from another dealer and see if they do the same thing. you could also make it a condition of the deal that they eat that cost or you will buy somewhere else even if another dealership charges the same thing. if they really want to make the sale they will do it. .
From : tbone
possibly not since i dont know if they are considered a regional dealer. i guess that there must be some legal thing that forces them to disclose this charge is the pricing of the vehicle instead of just adding it to the base price or maybe there is just no way of putting it in there. i do wonder what this cost is based on. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving so far the two dealers ive talked to have had the same charges - one of them wanted $1600 over invoice though. ive got an autobytel contact i need to call back - i dont know if hell have the same padding or not. pk on thu 11 dec 2003 135713 -0500 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote order it from another dealer and see if they do the same thing. you could also make it a condition of the deal that they eat that cost or you will buy somewhere else even if another dealership charges the same thing. if they really want to make the sale they will do it. .
From : bill hall
im trying to close the deal on a 2004 ram 1500 quadcab slt 4x4. im ordering it none anywhere around here equipped the way i want it ive been offered invoice plus $505 in regional advertising costs. my thought is that those added numbers are just dealer padding - advertising costs whether done by the dealer or by chrysler corp should come out of the profit made at the dealership or corporation respectively. so is the $505 a dealer add-on or does it really come down from corp its not shown on the invoice according to edmunds or any of the other invoice-pricing places and i cant pry the real invoice as opposed to a local printout out of the dealer. im trying to close the order today - any help out there tia pk i bought my 2003 qc 4x4 last year for $50 below invoice. i really didnt into the dealers holdback but there were no advertising charges. that sounds like their way to pass more of the cost of doing business on to you. im in the northwest an dont know if thats a regional thing or not. my opinion is that its bullshit but if you got nowhere else to buy then you might get stuck with it. bill .
From : mike simmons
the regional advertising charge that appears on the invoice is a legit charge from d/c and is not padding by the dealer. each dealer belongs to a regional association and those are the charges assessed per vehicle to the dealer for his share of the advertising costs. the reason that the charge doesnt appear on edmunds is that it varies region by region. hope this helps! chryco service manager member sae im trying to close the deal on a 2004 ram 1500 quadcab slt 4x4. im ordering it none anywhere around here equipped the way i want it ive been offered invoice plus $505 in regional advertising costs. my thought is that those added numbers are just dealer padding - advertising costs whether done by the dealer or by chrysler corp should come out of the profit made at the dealership or corporation respectively. so is the $505 a dealer add-on or does it really come down from corp its not shown on the invoice according to edmunds or any of the other invoice-pricing places and i cant pry the real invoice as opposed to a local printout out of the dealer. im trying to close the order today - any help out there tia pk i bought my 2003 qc 4x4 last year for $50 below invoice. i really didnt into the dealers holdback but there were no advertising charges. that sounds like their way to pass more of the cost of doing business on to you. im in the northwest an dont know if thats a regional thing or not. my opinion is that its bullshit but if you got nowhere else to buy then you might get stuck with it. bill .
From : pk not going to tell
the latest was a dealer who said no extra charges beyond an $89 doc fee on the phone only to have the same $500+ advertising charges show up when we got there in person. they also didnt want to give me an actual sale contract for the ordered truck nothing with the final sale price didnt even want to give me *anything* signed just get $500 from me for a desposit. we went back and forth a few times getting a little closer each time until a paper showed up with the invoice price on it including the padding. i wont be doing business with bob hoss dodge in kansas city kansas. pk on thu 11 dec 2003 154935 -0800 bill hall bhall4523@aol.com wrote im trying to close the deal on a 2004 ram 1500 quadcab slt 4x4. im ordering it none anywhere around here equipped the way i want it ive been offered invoice plus $505 in regional advertising costs. my thought is that those added numbers are just dealer padding - advertising costs whether done by the dealer or by chrysler corp should come out of the profit made at the dealership or corporation respectively. so is the $505 a dealer add-on or does it really come down from corp its not shown on the invoice according to edmunds or any of the other invoice-pricing places and i cant pry the real invoice as opposed to a local printout out of the dealer. im trying to close the order today - any help out there tia pk i bought my 2003 qc 4x4 last year for $50 below invoice. i really didnt into the dealers holdback but there were no advertising charges. that sounds like their way to pass more of the cost of doing business on to you. im in the northwest an dont know if thats a regional thing or not. my opinion is that its bullshit but if you got nowhere else to buy then you might get stuck with it. bill .
From : mac davispk not going to tell
on fri 12 dec 2003 052818 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote does that mean that youve hauled your fiver to 58 rv parks so far *g* mine did too but the stuff that caused the odor burned off in the first 8k miles or so. now i have no odor at idle cold or warm at all. oh also have 29k miles on the 03 ho now. fmb only one b in fmb how do you park into the wind at an intersection waiting for the light or stop sign i know others having problems with exhaust fumes coming into the cab of 03s and 04s even when running at 40mph. these are brand new trucks... there must be a flaw in the new cummins or body style somewhere .
From : redneck tookover hell
just tell him youll pay the bill for a whole page ad in the local paper looks like im going to have to suck it up and pay for the ad fees - im still going to try to get a dealer to split it with me. ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .
From : pk not going to tell
i should have made clearer closer to getting some sort of actual sales contract without ever getting one. looks like im going to have to suck it up and pay for the ad fees - im still going to try to get a dealer to split it with me. pk on thu 11 dec 2003 185110 -0600 pk not.going.to@tell wrote the latest was a dealer who said no extra charges beyond an $89 doc fee on the phone only to have the same $500+ advertising charges show up when we got there in person. they also didnt want to give me an actual sale contract for the ordered truck nothing with the final sale price didnt even want to give me *anything* signed just get $500 from me for a desposit. we went back and forth a few times getting a little closer each time until a paper showed up with the invoice price on it including the padding. i wont be doing business with bob hoss dodge in kansas city kansas. pk on thu 11 dec 2003 154935 -0800 bill hall bhall4523@aol.com wrote im trying to close the deal on a 2004 ram 1500 quadcab slt 4x4. im ordering it none anywhere around here equipped the way i want it ive been offered invoice plus $505 in regional advertising costs. my thought is that those added numbers are just dealer padding - advertising costs whether done by the dealer or by chrysler corp should come out of the profit made at the dealership or corporation respectively. so is the $505 a dealer add-on or does it really come down from corp its not shown on the invoice according to edmunds or any of the other invoice-pricing places and i cant pry the real invoice as opposed to a local printout out of the dealer. im trying to close the order today - any help out there tia pk i bought my 2003 qc 4x4 last year for $50 below invoice. i really didnt into the dealers holdback but there were no advertising charges. that sounds like their way to pass more of the cost of doing business on to you. im in the northwest an dont know if thats a regional thing or not. my opinion is that its bullshit but if you got nowhere else to buy then you might get stuck with it. bill .
From : bob m
pk wrote im trying to close the deal on a 2004 ram 1500 quadcab slt 4x4. im ordering it none anywhere around here equipped the way i want it ive been offered invoice plus $505 in regional advertising costs. my thought is that those added numbers are just dealer padding - advertising costs whether done by the dealer or by chrysler corp should come out of the profit made at the dealership or corporation respectively. so is the $505 a dealer add-on or does it really come down from corp its not shown on the invoice according to edmunds or any of the other invoice-pricing places and i cant pry the real invoice as opposed to a local printout out of the dealer. im trying to close the order today - any help out there tia pk when i bought my ram they tried to stick me with this charge too. i think it was also $500. i told him that i would charge the dealer $500 for driving around the next few years with the dealership name decal on the back of my truck and that we were now even. if he didnt like it i would get up and leave. he did not charge me the fee. bob .
From : joe siegleriman nassoul
my wife and i are looking at a dodge dakota around late feb / early march. i had a question that i thought id get a straighter answer to here instead of calling dodge about it. my current car has a cd/mp3 player in it and ive gotten highly addicted to mp3s - i dont know if i want to go back to a cd player without it. what im looking for is to find out if any of the cd players that come stock from dodge will play mp3s at all. id optimally like to get one stock that plays mp3s so i dont have to immediately replace it with an aftermarket player. if i have to ill do that but id like to know ahead of time so i dont waste $ putting in anything more than the base audio compoment. because if the stock units do not play mp3 ill put in the lowest audio option basically the cassette/amfm player i think and then pull it out with a third party cd/mp3 player. thanks for any help you can give. .
From : iman nassoul
ram1220@vzavenue.net wrote when i bought my ram they tried to stick me with this charge too. i think it was also $500. i told him that i would charge the dealer $500 for driving around the next few years with the dealership name decal on the back of my truck and that we were now even. if he didnt like it i would get up and leave. he did not charge me the fee. bob i make it a point to remove all dealer ads from my car. i removed one of their decals on my caravan and had the make ready guy get the adhesive off the back door. im glad they dont rivet them on like they used to! license plate frames are also gone. actually in texas most of them are illegal they obscure the name of the state .
From : b peg
cannot recall seeing any such fee and ive been to 5 dealers in southern california. i think if you go through the www.dodge.com site and get into the dealer inventory you can pull up the window sticker for the particular vehicle along with the vin number form that dealer if they are a 5-star dealership. i think you are being scammed. its interesting what some of the stealerships will try and pull but ive mentioned those before. i too would charge the dealer for any advertising paraphernalia they plaster on the truck such as decals frames and mudflaps which seem to be a big thing out west. it was too easy to get them to remove the dealers lot alarm they leave it on the vehicle since it costs time to remove it so basically its free. b .
From : fitch r williams
iman nassoul rectal@orifice.org wrote license plate frames are also gone. so are mine - but i keep looking for one for my 3500 that says screw compact parking. fitch .
From : mike simmons
cannot recall seeing any such fee and ive been to 5 dealers in southern california. i think if you go through the www.dodge.com site and get into the dealer inventory you can pull up the window sticker for the particular vehicle along with the vin number form that dealer if they are a 5-star dealership. i think you are being scammed. its interesting what some of the stealerships will try and pull but ive mentioned those before. i too would charge the dealer for any advertising paraphernalia they plaster on the truck such as decals frames and mudflaps which seem to be a big thing out west. it was too easy to get them to remove the dealers lot alarm they leave it on the vehicle since it costs time to remove it so basically its free. b ahem! i work at a stealership and the ad fee is not a scam. it wont show up on the window sticker.... only on the invoice! mike .
From : fitch r williams
b. peg bent*pegs69noospam*@att.net wrote im still trying to decide on the most honest one. if you find one be good to them. i finally found one but its down past pomona where tiph was going to cal poly - about 2 hours away. i have the check engine light coming on again. the x-ray computerized scanner says it is crank shaft sensor a p03066 or some number like that - i didnt write it down. it shows on the scanner as a pending problem. ive been here done this before at around 40000 miles - seen the movie have the t-shirt. it will get more frequent until the truck wont run and have to be towed unless it is fixed. its happened twice now. ive taken it to the local dealer lancaster ca with the check engine light on and my scanner saying what it is and showed them - they say unless it wont run or its running badly they cant fix it because they cant be sure if it is the sensor or the module. the computer in my truck is telling them that im going to have a break down on the road some time soon and they think that is a fine thing to have happen to a customer so they send me out to have that experience. that is a zero service experience. the reason they have that attitude is because i didnt buy the truck there. they treat trucks bought someplace else like they were owned by illegal aliens. this dealership used to have a service manager named george that was great. he took care of customers and had them lining up to buy trucks. alas he died a few years ago. i miss him. this happened about 40k miles ago. same attitude on their part. tiph took the truck to the dealer not to far from cal poly they took one look at the check engine light hooked up a scanner saw the pending problem report said it needed a new crank shaft position sensor covered by warranty no problem do it tomorrow and they did. so now i am looking at having to drive to pomona to get this fixed. i dont like driving 2 hours to a dealership with the truck occasionally having a major hiccup. ill try the other local dealer santa clarita first. fitch .
From : b peg
mike simmons wrote ahem! i work at a stealership and the ad fee is not a scam. it wont show up on the window sticker.... only on the invoice! mike you are right. i just learned the ad fee is called a66 california ppa on the damlier/chrylser sticker. amount is $160 on mine and is right above the destination charge of $795. right below that is hb 83000 which is the actual charge of $830 that dc pays the dealer at the end of the quarter for selling the vehicle. i understand some will forgo that charge however if they eat into their hb charge. they used to also have a daa fee attached on their invoices about $200 back when destination was $595. now the df fee is $795 but the daa isnt there. maybe it is part of the destination fee now sorry for the stealership remark. i could have been taken for a ride this past month by a few unsavory characters so my opinion of dealerships isnt to keen as of late. im still trying to decide on the most honest one. bent .
From : mike simmons
mike simmons wrote ahem! i work at a stealership and the ad fee is not a scam. it wont show up on the window sticker.... only on the invoice! mike you are right. i just learned the ad fee is called a66 california ppa on the damlier/chrylser sticker. amount is $160 on mine and is right above the destination charge of $795. right below that is hb 83000 which is the actual charge of $830 that dc pays the dealer at the end of the quarter for selling the vehicle. i understand some will forgo that charge however if they eat into their hb charge. they used to also have a daa fee attached on their invoices about $200 back when destination was $595. now the df fee is $795 but the daa isnt there. maybe it is part of the destination fee now sorry for the stealership remark. i could have been taken for a ride this past month by a few unsavory characters so my opinion of dealerships isnt to keen as of late. im still trying to decide on the most honest one. bent bent the destination fee is just that only destination no other charges are packed in that. the regional ad fee is variable depending on the zone/region. some dealers who are in rural areas arent required to participate in this since they are so far removed from the major markets that they derive no benefit from this fee. mike .
From : b peg
fitch r. williams wrote ... ive taken it to the local dealer lancaster ca with the check engine light on and my scanner saying what it is and showed them - they say unless it wont run or its running badly they cant fix it because they cant be sure if it is the sensor or the module. the computer in my truck is telling them that im going to have a break down on the road some time soon and they think that is a fine thing to have happen to a customer so they send me out to have that experience. that is a zero service experience. the reason they have that attitude is because i didnt buy the truck there. they treat trucks bought someplace else like they were owned by illegal aliens. this dealership used to have a service manager named george that was great. he took care of customers and had them lining up to buy trucks. alas he died a few years ago. i miss him. interesting about the lancaster place since it was my third dealing with stealerships. although the price quoted was the lowest around so. cal that i found they lied about the apr 6 down to 4% when in reality on paper it would have been 6 points higher. nice shell game going on in back room. i walked out. sales manager tries to insult you into buying if negotiations break down or you gasp! should question their finance numbers. nice. the one in norco seems honest. not that its relevant but i didnt see them listed in wards top 500 dealers for revenue list so maybe they arent out to gouge...yet. my sis thinks most around the fontana area are honest. dunno. heres a interesting dealer list survey by state http//dodgeram.info/surveydealer/dealers.htm i notice your pomona dealer is one of the good ones from the above list. my experiences seem to follow what is related in each dealership err stealership before i found the survey. i may check them out as well. bent .
From : jwlbal
its on the invoice all right but not on the window sticker. youre paying for those funny hemi commercials! im trying to close the deal on a 2004 ram 1500 quadcab slt 4x4. im ordering it none anywhere around here equipped the way i want it ive been offered invoice plus $505 in regional advertising costs. my thought is that those added numbers are just dealer padding - advertising costs whether done by the dealer or by chrysler corp should come out of the profit made at the dealership or corporation respectively. so is the $505 a dealer add-on or does it really come down from corp its not shown on the invoice according to edmunds or any of the other invoice-pricing places and i cant pry the real invoice as opposed to a local printout out of the dealer. im trying to close the order today - any help out there tia pk .