RUMOR: Is Dodge changing to CAT diesel?
From : edward l dowdy
Q: 223rem wrote budd cochran wrote no its about getting america to get off its lard butt and take back its industry but that would mean unions taking wage cuts and the epa being told to shut up and suck on a pine tree. if you want to buy american it needs to be owned and built here. you buy the crap ford and gm puts out. why is it my patriotic duty to subsidize car manufacturers who have contempt for their buyers no i buy used cars and trucks that were made in america . . .my current ride a 95 lebaron was given to me by a caring but slightly mislead by the salesman son. as for the contempt you claim how easy is it to make cars that suit everybody all the time everywhere be realistic. now compound that with a government influencing entity that doesnt care if you live or die as long as they can restrict the manufacturers and add to the cost of the car the epa who only recently hired their first scientist. japan and germany didnt lose ww ii they just waited and bought us off. what does war have to do with it! you dont see the connection we susidized japan and german back into a financial condition that would have allowed them to survive comfortably .. . then we allowed them to move in and produce their products in america which is now a major portion of their profit margin. just since 1947 when i was born; the studebaker de soto plymouth packard crosley amc/rambler nash willys tucker and hudson car lines have disappeared along with maybe a couple i forgot. german italian and japanese vehicles to name a few have taken over. the whizzer mustang simplex and cushman motor scooters along with a couple others went out of production taken over by japanese and italian scooters. look at the problems harley davidson had with the jap bike invasion. unions have been allowed to run rampant until they priced employee costs thru the roof. and nafta should never have been passed. it sent jobs america needs out of country and i believe its a part of the cause of gm and ford losses and chrysler now being a german car line. budd .
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From : Annonymous
i think with the resounding success of the cummins turbo-diesel the mere thought of anything else under the hood is just rumor-mongering. if it aint broke dont fix it. theres two kinds of diesel powered pickup owners on the road today; those who have a ctd and those who wish they did .
From : christopher thompson
why would they want to change though the cummins is selling on its reliability and power heck thats why i bought mine. besides it being a dodge in general the cummins was the big selling point. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango why would dc even try. mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and i would take one in place of a cummins if they went that way. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving no and the big is everyone wants a cummins. toyota will probably get one if the rumor is true. toyota being such a huge potential buyer it would cost dc a lot to monopolize the cummins in the hd pickup market. http//www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/diesels/page1.html fwiw its all just speculation at this point. plus i think the article itself is broken the author says dodge is ...the weakest player in the space with an engine/transmission combo that just doesnt measure up to superior ford and gm diesel powertrains. this does not jive with all the japanies companies drooling over cummins so take it all with a grain of salt. .
From : carolina watercraft works
i agree...i think that even though mercedes does make a good powerplant the cummins is a bigger draw than the merc option. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ice angels why would they want to change though the cummins is selling on its reliability and power heck thats why i bought mine. besides it being a dodge in general the cummins was the big selling point. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango why would dc even try. mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and i would take one in place of a cummins if they went that way. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving no and the big is everyone wants a cummins. toyota will probably get one if the rumor is true. toyota being such a huge potential buyer it would cost dc a lot to monopolize the cummins in the hd pickup market. http//www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/diesels/page1.html fwiw its all just speculation at this point. plus i think the article itself is broken the author says dodge is ...the weakest player in the space with an engine/transmission combo that just doesnt measure up to superior ford and gm diesel powertrains. this does not jive with all the japanies companies drooling over cummins so take it all with a grain of salt. .
From : mac davis
on wed 01 feb 2006 145547 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote why would dc even try. mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and i would take one in place of a cummins if they went that way. for sure... love to see one of their smaller turbo diesels in the dakota and durango.. and isnt it about time for a td 1500 mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : tbone
while i agree that the cummins is a great engine i would also put mercedes above both the duramax and the currently troublesome powerchoke and if they could reduce the price by using an in-house engine.... -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i agree...i think that even though mercedes does make a good powerplant the cummins is a bigger draw than the merc option. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ice angels why would they want to change though the cummins is selling on its reliability and power heck thats why i bought mine. besides it being a dodge in general the cummins was the big selling point. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango why would dc even try. mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and i would take one in place of a cummins if they went that way. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving no and the big is everyone wants a cummins. toyota will probably get one if the rumor is true. toyota being such a huge potential buyer it would cost dc a lot to monopolize the cummins in the hd pickup market. http//www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/diesels/page1.html fwiw its all just speculation at this point. plus i think the article itself is broken the author says dodge is ...the weakest player in the space with an engine/transmission combo that just doesnt measure up to superior ford and gm diesel powertrains. this does not jive with all the japanies companies drooling over cummins so take it all with a grain of salt. .
From : roy
why would they want to change though the cummins is selling on its reliability and power heck thats why i bought mine. besides it being a dodge in general the cummins was the big selling point. i agree totally. if ford had the cummins i would have one in the yard. if dc goes to a mercedes power plant the questions id ask would be which one hp & tq. what transmission what truck will it go into warranty and of course can ya plow with it. toyota has a diesel of its own doesnt it i cant see a toyota with a 900 pound engine in it. roy -chris 05 ctd 99 durango why would dc even try. mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and i would take one in place of a cummins if they went that way. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving no and the big is everyone wants a cummins. toyota will probably get one if the rumor is true. toyota being such a huge potential buyer it would cost dc a lot to monopolize the cummins in the hd pickup market. http//www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/diesels/page1.html fwiw its all just speculation at this point. plus i think the article itself is broken the author says dodge is ...the weakest player in the space with an engine/transmission combo that just doesnt measure up to superior ford and gm diesel powertrains. this does not jive with all the japanies companies drooling over cummins so take it all with a grain of salt. .
From : edward l dowdy
thanks rupp! ill check yer site. ed on mon 30 jan 2006 135803 gmt edward l. dowdy elihatespamdowdy@ctscomp.com wrote just curious. ed dodge did use cat diesels in their trucks 30 years ago. g i used to have a 1973 dodge lcf c800 with a 573 ci cat v-8 it was listed as a special order engine. i have a few pics of it on my web site at http//www.dodge-semis.com/mt/. dodge even used detroit diesels 6-71 and 8v-71 2 stroke diesels around the same time as they used the cats. the first number in the engine designation indicates the number of cylinders while the last 2 digits are the ci displacement of each cylinder. the most powerful detroit diesel used in the dodges back then was even called a 318 as it put out 318 horsepower. it had a turbo mounted on top of a roots type supercharger. i know of a cab over dodge l1000 with a dd 318 that is a for sale that is not to far from me. i would love to get my hands on a 12v-71. it was 2 6v-71 put end to end. had 2 separate blowers one for the front half of the engine and a second blower for the rear half and each one had a turbo on top of it. seg ruppster .
From : john
pictures were great. it must have hurt to have to leave it behind. what a classic! john .
From : td
no and the big is everyone wants a cummins. toyota will probably get one if the rumor is true. toyota being such a huge potential buyer it would cost dc a lot to monopolize the cummins in the hd pickup market. http//www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/diesels/page1.html fwiw its all just speculation at this point. plus i think the article itself is broken the author says dodge is ...the weakest player in the space with an engine/transmission combo that just doesnt measure up to superior ford and gm diesel powertrains. this does not jive with all the japanies companies drooling over cummins so take it all with a grain of salt. .
From : tbone
why would dc even try. mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and i would take one in place of a cummins if they went that way. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving no and the big is everyone wants a cummins. toyota will probably get one if the rumor is true. toyota being such a huge potential buyer it would cost dc a lot to monopolize the cummins in the hd pickup market. http//www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/diesels/page1.html fwiw its all just speculation at this point. plus i think the article itself is broken the author says dodge is ...the weakest player in the space with an engine/transmission combo that just doesnt measure up to superior ford and gm diesel powertrains. this does not jive with all the japanies companies drooling over cummins so take it all with a grain of salt. .
From : ruppster
on 26 jan 2006 132256 -0800 egd snakedojo@hotmail.com wrote hi im looking at a 92 dodge dakota 4x4 that needs a tranny. ive heard of some problems with these trannys. if i buy this truck will an older tranny bolt in like one from an 89 is it the same tranny better or worse i know im a day late and a dollar short in regards to this question but i thought i would add this part anyhow. g one thing to keep an eye out for that i can think of anyhow is if the 92 is a mpfi vehicle. the mpfi system mounts the cps crank position sensor on the bellhousing of the transmission above the flywheel. if the tranny from the 89 does not have the mounting hole for a cps then you could have problems. as far as some problems with these trannys you might be thinking of the mid 90s trannies. the early 90s trannies had regular mechanical shifting mechanisms and were pretty much like the 904s/727s of the 70s. i have a 92 dodge b250 van with a 318 magnum. the tranny in it is a regular 3 speed 727 with the mounting pad for the cps. iirc somewhere around 94 or 95 dodge started using a computer to control the shifting of the trannies and from what i understand they had issues with the solenoid packs. another change with the mid 90s trannies is how the speedometer is connected. when they switched to the electronically controlled trannies they did away with the ability to connect a mechanical speedo cable to the rear of the tranny. it was made for an electronic speed sensor only. ruppster http//www.dodge-semis.com/ .
From : christopher thompson
i would consider buying my wife a durango again if they put a td in it. as it stands now her next truck is a crewcab sb 2500. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango on wed 01 feb 2006 145547 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote why would dc even try. mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and i would take one in place of a cummins if they went that way. for sure... love to see one of their smaller turbo diesels in the dakota and durango.. and isnt it about time for a td 1500 mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : christopher thompson
seen one the other day it was standing on its back bumper tryin to haul the thing *grin* -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango why would they want to change though the cummins is selling on its reliability and power heck thats why i bought mine. besides it being a dodge in general the cummins was the big selling point. i agree totally. if ford had the cummins i would have one in the yard. if dc goes to a mercedes power plant the questions id ask would be which one hp & tq. what transmission what truck will it go into warranty and of course can ya plow with it. toyota has a diesel of its own doesnt it i cant see a toyota with a 900 pound engine in it. roy -chris 05 ctd 99 durango why would dc even try. mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and i would take one in place of a cummins if they went that way. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving no and the big is everyone wants a cummins. toyota will probably get one if the rumor is true. toyota being such a huge potential buyer it would cost dc a lot to monopolize the cummins in the hd pickup market. http//www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/diesels/page1.html fwiw its all just speculation at this point. plus i think the article itself is broken the author says dodge is ...the weakest player in the space with an engine/transmission combo that just doesnt measure up to superior ford and gm diesel powertrains. this does not jive with all the japanies companies drooling over cummins so take it all with a grain of salt. .
From : edward l dowdy
you hit the nail on the head! edward l. dowdy wrote i didnt think so. a friend brought it up. another said the same thing you did. thanks a bunch ed bet your buddy asks you next to find out if ford owns cummins. - .
From : ed dunn
on sun 05 feb 2006 180922 gmt ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote i think with the resounding success of the cummins turbo-diesel the mere thought of anything else under the hood is just rumor-mongering. if it aint broke dont fix it. theres two kinds of diesel powered pickup owners on the road today; those who have a ctd and those who wish they did last week i was at a dealer looking at a new ctd 3500 for towing a 5th wheel. the hitch weight of the trailer we want pushes the limit of our 2500 so i need a 3500. the trailer i want also pushes the limits of the 3500 dodge in towing weight. when i complained that i wasnt going to have much cushion on gcwr the fleet truck guy said that if i wasnt in a big hurry that there were rumors of a ram 3500 with a lot more power and gross towing weight being available late this summer in the 07s. that is all he would say. i do put a little credence to it because it is not very often that a customer even a repeat customer is told that he should wait to spend big bucks on a truck. however that is exactly what he did he suggested i wait for the 07s to be announced and then we would get on the computer and order me just the truck i wanted and needed. has anyone else heard this perhaps the mercedes-benz mbe 900 or even an mbe 4000 for the real power users and leave the other trucks in the dust once and for all. ed .
From : Annonymous
george.t.files@gmail.com writes happiness is houston texas in the rear-view mirror. i can agree with that. i spent a whole year there one hot week in august. the humidity was a killer especially for someone from the desert where 30% humidity was considered high. the next time i was there was in january and it was nice. were only here because 19 years ago a job transfer i couldnt afford to turn down brought us here from kansas city. it sure wouldnt be my choice. housing is really cheap even for all-brick homes but thats about all. as miserable as the climate is in june thru september the city has recently become a hotbed of crime far moreso than ever before. of the estimated 200000 evacuees who landed here in katrinas wake most of them came from the projects which in case you havent noticed arent being rebuilt. new orleans doesnt want the scourge of their society back. theyre houstons problem now. .
From : greg surratt
on mon 06 feb 2006 053331 gmt ed dunn ed.dunn@gmail.com wrote when i complained that i wasnt going to have much cushion on gcwr the fleet truck guy said that if i wasnt in a big hurry that there were rumors of a ram 3500 with a lot more power and gross towing weight being available late this summer in the 07s. id wait. i havent seen or heard anything but dodge and gm are playing catch-up to fords heavy hauler package 19000+ tow capacity with integrated brake controller. .
From : Annonymous
if true it may be good to those of us for whom the current 3500 dually is a perfect fit. power mongers such as yourself will dump their current models for the 07 leaving the rest of us with some good deals on the used ones. kind of like the summer of 97 when the 4-door qc replaced the 2-door cc. im kind of in the same situation as you ed looking for a 3500 dually. with a potential layoff looming in the wings and negroes now living on three sides of me i figure the net of my severance check would be a nice sendoff to take to the dealership. buy the truck put a 4-sale sign in the yard and me and momma will just drive off into the sunset and become full-time rvers. happiness is houston texas in the rear-view mirror. ed.dunn@gmail.com writes last week i was at a dealer looking at a new ctd 3500 for towing a 5th wheel. the hitch weight of the trailer we want pushes the limit of our 2500 so i need a 3500. the trailer i want also pushes the limits of the 3500 dodge in towing weight. when i complained that i wasnt going to have much cushion on gcwr the fleet truck guy said that if i wasnt in a big hurry that there were rumors of a ram 3500 with a lot more power and gross towing weight being available late this summer in the 07s. that is all he would say. i do put a little credence to it because it is not very often that a customer even a repeat customer is told that he should wait to spend big bucks on a truck. however that is exactly what he did he suggested i wait for the 07s to be announced and then we would get on the computer and order me just the truck i wanted and needed. has anyone else heard this perhaps the mercedes-benz mbe 900 or even an mbe 4000 for the real power users and leave the other trucks in the dust once and for all. .
From : gt
on mon 06 feb 2006 140330 gmt ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote if true it may be good to those of us for whom the current 3500 dually is a perfect fit. power mongers such as yourself will dump their current models for the 07 leaving the rest of us with some good deals on the used ones. kind of like the summer of 97 when the 4-door qc replaced the 2-door cc. that was what i was thinking myself. there may be some excellent deals this fall and perhaps i can persuade the wife that we can live with less trailer. although i must point out that im much happier when swmbo is happy but she is reasonable and frugal. the wife and i are retired and want to take extended trips to see the country. we have a vacation trailer but it isnt conducive for full-timing. im kind of in the same situation as you ed looking for a 3500 dually. with a potential layoff looming in the wings and negroes now living on three sides of me i figure the net of my severance check would be a nice sendoff to take to the dealership. buy the truck put a 4-sale sign in the yard and me and momma will just drive off into the sunset and become full-time rvers. sounds like an idea i have a nephew who was a steam fitter who liked to work construction on the coasts and power plants especially nuclear. i dont understand the ins and outs of the trade but he seemed to keep jobs lined up. he and his wife lived in a trailer or 5th wheel for years and raised two kids. between jobs they took vacation trips around the country. and he tried to find jobs where they hadnt been before. they had a home base near ft. smith arkansas where they retired to between jobs and when he finally retired. happiness is houston texas in the rear-view mirror. i can agree with that. i spent a whole year there one hot week in august. the humidity was a killer especially for someone from the desert where 30% humidity was considered high. the next time i was there was in january and it was nice. ed .
From : ruppster
on 4 feb 2006 190230 -0800 john jmstrks@cox.net wrote pictures were great. it must have hurt to have to leave it behind. what a classic! john thanks john yeah it hurt having to leave it behind but thats the fun of being with the military. right now i am trying to get my hands on another lcf c800 but this one has a 413 gas engine with a 10 speed roadranger tranny. would rather have another cat powered c800 but the one i left in alaska is the only one ive ever come across with the cat option. most of the diesels were either inline 6 cummins or detroits. to add insult to injury there was not enough room to put the inline 6 diesels under the hood due to the snub nose so they had to notch out the firewall and use a cowling in the cab like a full size van to cover up the rear of the engine. this cowling is hard to find so converting a gas powered lcf dodge to an inline 6 diesel is next to impossible. i know where a turbocharged detroit 6v92 is and might try putting that in place of the 413. the bad part with that idea is that the old detroits got about the same fuel mileage as the 413 did and with the cost of diesel fuel being higher then super unleaded i dont think it would be worth it. oh well six of one and half a dozen of another i guess. g ruppster .
From : mark
dont they edward l. dowdy wrote i didnt think so. a friend brought it up. another said the same thing you did. thanks a bunch ed bet your buddy asks you next to find out if ford owns cummins. - .
From : gt
on tue 07 feb 2006 235055 gmt ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote george.t.files@gmail.com writes happiness is houston texas in the rear-view mirror. i can agree with that. i spent a whole year there one hot week in august. the humidity was a killer especially for someone from the desert where 30% humidity was considered high. the next time i was there was in january and it was nice. were only here because 19 years ago a job transfer i couldnt afford to turn down brought us here from kansas city. it sure wouldnt be my choice. housing is really cheap even for all-brick homes but thats about all. as miserable as the climate is in june thru september the city has recently become a hotbed of crime far moreso than ever before. of the estimated 200000 evacuees who landed here in katrinas wake most of them came from the projects which in case you havent noticed arent being rebuilt. new orleans doesnt want the scourge of their society back. theyre houstons problem now. i hadnt thought of that. a 200000 population increase of questionable characters must have put a huge strain on law enforcement and the law abiding citizens. you mentioned you were thinking of full timing. can you retire or would you just move to a new job and call the 5er home actually it sounds like moving into a trailer and out to a 30 mile commute or so might be worth the trouble. gt .
From : Annonymous
george.t.files@gmail.com writes i hadnt thought of that. a 200000 population increase of questionable characters must have put a huge strain on law enforcement and the law abiding citizens. houstons extremely popular mayor won reelection practically by acclamation is very sorry now that he opened up the astrodome and welcomed lifes walking wounded with open arms. he has now turned to fema asking for $6 mil to offset addtl police overtime in the areas of town where these people went after they left the dome. you mentioned you were thinking of full timing. can you retire or would you just move to a new job and call the 5er home actually it sounds like moving into a trailer and out to a 30 mile commute or so might be worth the trouble. ill be only 60 this year and so cannot really afford to retire since i wont be able to start social security until im 63. i do have a small retirement + small 401k approx $350k total combined which spread out over guessing 20 years doesnt allow for a very lavish retirement even invested at 810% return. the problem is our home isnt paid for and wont be for several years but we do have about $70k equity in it right now. we also have some issues that we need to address. we desperately need to move due to a recent and rapid deterioration of the neighborhood white flight. we can neither afford nor do we want to purchase a new home in an anglo neighborhood because taxes would double house note would double commuting distance would double etc. the idea of full-time rving seems to have some positive appeal although we would be in much closer quarters and maybe claw each others eyes out after a month or two of living in 320 sq ft after previously living in 1900 sq. ft. we also have pets; 2 golden retrievers and 5 yes 5 cats. all are indoor pets and are considered members of the family. are we nuts or what weve thought about going to the 5er now or within a year and continuing with the job as long as it lasts but knowing that a layoff is imminent and could come at any time. ideally i need to work 6 more years until im 66 but minimum i need to work 3 more until im 63. the layoff could come in a year tho and at age 60 youre kind of unemployable so we were looking at full-timing as a potential way of dramatically cutting our living expenses. the idea being that the home sale would net enough to pay off the rv and the severance check would nearly pay for the truck. we really dont want rv or truck payments in our retirement voluntary or forced. .
From : edward l dowdy
that looks like a spoofed site. bet your buddy asks you next to find out if ford owns cummins. - dont they no. see http//tinyurl.com/dnn48 -- ken .
From : nosey
that looks like a spoofed site. it may look like it but its not unless the entire cummins website is a spoof. maybe this looks less spoofish. is that even a word http//www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/customerassistance/faq/index.cfm under the heading dodgeram click on #28. -- ken .
From : nosey
bet your buddy asks you next to find out if ford owns cummins. - dont they no. see http//tinyurl.com/dnn48 -- ken .
From : edward l dowdy
cp wrote stupid is as stupid does and you sir are proof positive. look first what i replied to above. hitler was the last person i heard of referring to humans as parasites. did we just hit the godiwn criteria bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x .
From : tbone
i didnt know that cars were the only things built outside of the us -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote lol what makes you think they are not. what makes you think they are. besides name a car made in the *3rd* world. graham .
From : tom lawrence
tbone wrote lol what makes you think they are not. what makes you think they are. besides name a car made in the *3rd* world. graham .