Quality of gasoline
From : trey
Q: i was talking with a friend and she said why pay ten cents a gallon more for chevron gas when abc gas is just as good so lets start the debate what makes one station cost more besides the name on the sign. chevron really better then arco why what is in the fuels that make them different i know there are items like ethanol mtbe and sulfur just from memory what other chemicals are used like these my truck manual pretty much just says to stay away from mmt and sulfur as best you can. for my motorcycle the manual says gas containing mtbe unleaded gasoline containing mtbe may be used in your motorcycle if the mtbe content is not greater than 15% gas/ethanol blends blends of unleaded gasoline and ethanol also known as gasohol may be used in your vehicle if the ethanol content is not greater than 10% gas/methanol blends fuels containing 5% or less methanol may be suitable for use in your motorcycle if they contain co-solvents and corrosion inhibitors so who makes the best gas and is it worth what they are charging over the other companies .
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From : redneck tookover hell
i dont think anyone uses mtbe anymore do they -- fmb you mean you have to drink the water in ca now to get your daily minimum requirement g politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. .
From : fmb
i was talking with a friend and she said why pay ten cents a gallon more for chevron gas when abc gas is just as good so lets start the debate what makes one station cost more besides the name on the sign. chevron really better then arco why what is in the fuels that make them different i know there are items like ethanol mtbe and sulfur just from memory what other chemicals are used like these my truck manual pretty much just says to stay away from mmt and sulfur as best you can. for my motorcycle the manual says gas containing mtbe unleaded gasoline containing mtbe may be used in your motorcycle if the mtbe content is not greater than 15% gas/ethanol blends blends of unleaded gasoline and ethanol also known as gasohol may be used in your vehicle if the ethanol content is not greater than 10% gas/methanol blends fuels containing 5% or less methanol may be suitable for use in your motorcycle if they contain co-solvents and corrosion inhibitors so who makes the best gas and is it worth what they are charging over the other companies two items make one gasoline better than another; additives and quality control. chevron uses techron in their gasolines more to read at http//www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/techrongas/ or http//tinyurl.com/2sw5x . the big three automakers use chevron gasoline in their epa testing to pass 50 and 100k mile emission testing more at http//www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/techrongas/successbig3.shtml or http//tinyurl.com/kp12 . i dont think anyone uses mtbe anymore do they -- fmb only one b in fmb .
From : paul jensen
two items make one gasoline better than another; additives and quality control. agreed. all gas is the same as it is shipped except for octane. it is not sent through the pipline by brand. its all the same. most of it is the same at the pump. some brands add additives - usually some sort of detergent. i personally prefer chevron with their techron additive. does it make a difference maybe. maybe not. as i said that is just my personal preference. as for quality control the consumer may be at a disadvantage here because who knows i try to stay away from off-brand gas because who knows what the hell happened to it between the pipeline and the station a couple of rules i always go by if there is water standing on the lot of a gas station 30-60 minutes after a hard rain i always avoid that station no matter what brand it is and never buy gas while the tanker is there filling the station. that can stir up sediments from the bottom of the storage tank and some of that crap can get past the pump filter k&n and into your engine. .
From : dddd
two items make one gasoline better than another; additives and quality control. agreed. all gas is the same as it is shipped except for octane. it is not sent through the pipline by brand. its all the same. most of it is the same at the pump. some brands add additives - usually some sort of detergent. i personally prefer chevron with their techron additive. does it make a difference maybe. maybe not. as i said that is just my personal preference. as for quality control the consumer may be at a disadvantage here because who knows i try to stay away from off-brand gas because who knows what the hell happened to it between the pipeline and the station a couple of rules i always go by if there is water standing on the lot of a gas station 30-60 minutes after a hard rain i always avoid that station no matter what brand it is and never buy gas while the tanker is there filling the station. that can stir up sediments from the bottom of the storage tank and some of that crap can get past the pump filter k&n and into your engine. also buy your gas from a station that pumps a
From : cbhvac sales
i was talking with a friend and she said why pay ten cents a gallon more for chevron gas when abc gas is just as good so lets start the debate what makes one station cost more besides the name on the sign. chevron really better then arco why what is in the fuels that make them different i know there are items like ethanol mtbe and sulfur just from memory what other chemicals are used like these my truck manual pretty much just says to stay away from mmt and sulfur as best you can. for my motorcycle the manual says gas containing mtbe unleaded gasoline containing mtbe may be used in your motorcycle if the mtbe content is not greater than 15% gas/ethanol blends blends of unleaded gasoline and ethanol also known as gasohol may be used in your vehicle if the ethanol content is not greater than 10% gas/methanol blends fuels containing 5% or less methanol may be suitable for use in your motorcycle if they contain co-solvents and corrosion inhibitors so who makes the best gas and is it worth what they are charging over the other companies two items make one gasoline better than another; additives and quality control. chevron uses techron in their gasolines more to read at http//www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/techrongas/ or http//tinyurl.com/2sw5x . the big three automakers use chevron gasoline in their epa testing to pass 50 and 100k mile emission testing more at http//www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/techrongas/successbig3.shtml or http//tinyurl.com/kp12 . i dont think anyone uses mtbe anymore do they you mean like in california -- fmb only one b in fmb .
From : ambo
for the most part all the stations buy gas from a supplyer. the supplyer buys gas from whoever has the lowest price. texaco mobil chevron texxaco etc... all add their additive to make it better than the station down the street. all gas is pretty much the same. .
From : fmb
i was talking with a friend and she said why pay ten cents a gallon more for chevron gas when abc gas is just as good so lets start the debate what makes one station cost more besides the name on the sign. chevron really better then arco why what is in the fuels that make them different i know there are items like ethanol mtbe and sulfur just from memory what other chemicals are used like these my truck manual pretty much just says to stay away from mmt and sulfur as best you can. for my motorcycle the manual says gas containing mtbe unleaded gasoline containing mtbe may be used in your motorcycle if the mtbe content is not greater than 15% gas/ethanol blends blends of unleaded gasoline and ethanol also known as gasohol may be used in your vehicle if the ethanol content is not greater than 10% gas/methanol blends fuels containing 5% or less methanol may be suitable for use in your motorcycle if they contain co-solvents and corrosion inhibitors so who makes the best gas and is it worth what they are charging over the other companies two items make one gasoline better than another; additives and quality control. chevron uses techron in their gasolines more to read at http//www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/techrongas/ or http//tinyurl.com/2sw5x . the big three automakers use chevron gasoline in their epa testing to pass 50 and 100k mile emission testing more at http//www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/techrongas/successbig3.shtml or http//tinyurl.com/kp12 . i dont think anyone uses mtbe anymore do they you mean like in california yeah like in ca. i assumed everyone was out of mtbe. am i wrong are some states still allowing the use of mtbe -- fmb only one b in fmb .
From : cbhvac sales
cbhvac sales@screweduponpurpose@caroliabreeehvac.com wrote in message i was talking with a friend and she said why pay ten cents a gallon more for chevron gas when abc gas is just as good so lets start the debate what makes one station cost more besides the name on the sign. chevron really better then arco why what is in the fuels that make them different i know there are items like ethanol mtbe and sulfur just from memory what other chemicals are used like these my truck manual pretty much just says to stay away from mmt and sulfur as best you can. for my motorcycle the manual says gas containing mtbe unleaded gasoline containing mtbe may be used in your motorcycle if the mtbe content is not greater than 15% gas/ethanol blends blends of unleaded gasoline and ethanol also known as gasohol may be used in your vehicle if the ethanol content is not greater than 10% gas/methanol blends fuels containing 5% or less methanol may be suitable for use in your motorcycle if they contain co-solvents and corrosion inhibitors so who makes the best gas and is it worth what they are charging over the other companies two items make one gasoline better than another; additives and quality control. chevron uses techron in their gasolines more to read at http//www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/techrongas/ or http//tinyurl.com/2sw5x . the big three automakers use chevron gasoline in their epa testing to pass 50 and 100k mile emission testing more at http//www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/techrongas/successbig3.shtml or http//tinyurl.com/kp12 . i dont think anyone uses mtbe anymore do they you mean like in california yeah like in ca. i assumed everyone was out of mtbe. am i wrong are some states still allowing the use of mtbe -- some states including ca still allow it. nc used it this past winter as they require oxygenated fuel during the cooler months. fmb only one b in fmb .
From : fmb
for the most part all the stations buy gas from a supplyer. the supplyer buys gas from whoever has the lowest price. texaco mobil chevron texxaco etc... all add their additive to make it better than the station down the street. all gas is pretty much the same. if you think all gas is pretty much the same then you must be the guy that goes miles to get the cheapest price right do you believe all oil is the same too oil filters how about water beer women -- fmb only one b in fmb .
From : speeker
for the most part all the stations buy gas from a supplyer. the supplyer buys gas from whoever has the lowest price. texaco mobil chevron texxaco etc... all add their additive to make it better than the station down the street. all gas is pretty much the same. if you think all gas is pretty much the same then you must be the guy that goes miles to get the cheapest price right do you believe all oil is the same too ------motor oil probably has different additives for different companies oil filters --------kind of like toilet paper. not all made the same but used for the same reason how about water ----------unless you mean to differentiate between salt water and clean water it is the same h2o is h2o no matter what until you start adding things to it. beer --------lets not go there. all beer is different unless youre really drunk or there is only one kind left over women -------of course they are all the same. its just how we react to them that make them different. .
From : ambo
--if you think all gas is pretty much the same then you must be the guy that goes miles to get the cheapest price right no actually i buy gas from the closest station to my house. but over the last 20 years i have bought gas from at least 100 different stations. it all worked pretty much the same. --do you believe all oil is the same too no most dino oils have a similar base stock that a company puts their additives viis in. the different additive packages are for for different viscocities 5w30 10w40 etc... synthetics or blends last longer and maintain their viscocity better. they are a better overall oil. i have used penzoil valvolene castrol and am now using exxon. yes i think the 10w40 that each company sells is pretty much the same. they each meet the same specifications. --oil filters i am sure some are better than others. i have been usung whatever the parts store sells frame ac delco stp and they have been working fine. --how about water i have had water from about six different countries pretty much the same. even the expensive french stuff. beer i do not care. women - no comment. .
From : daniel j stern
on tue 25 may 2004 trey wrote i was talking with a friend and she said why pay ten cents a gallon more for chevron gas when abc gas is just as good so lets start the debate what makes one station cost more besides the name on the sign. first step read the gasoline faq http//www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/ chevron really better then arco arco puts ethanol in their gasoline regardless of local mandate; chevron does so only when local mandate requires it. ethanol reduces performance and mileage and can cause driveability problems and even fuel system damage especially if improperly blended. my truck manual pretty much just says to stay away from mmt and sulfur as best you can. easy to avoid mmt in the us since its not allowed in gasoline except in minuscule quantities. unfortunately ethyl corp. the leaded fuel is good! people successfully sued the canadian epa and won a reversal of canadas mmt ban despite very thorough research done in canada showing mmt to worsen engine running and increase exhaust pollutants. sulphur is a problem that wont be solved across the board until 06 us 05 canada. you dont say where you are. after years of selling some of north americas filthiest highest-sulphur fuels in ontario imperial oil esso known in the us as exxon as of this past november has rolled out ultra-low-sulphur fuel clear across ontario. in the us bp-amoco has been introducing low-sulphur fuel in selected markets. -stern .
From : daniel j stern
on thu 27 may 2004 dave r wrote gasoline only changes for two reasons. 1. different areas sometimes have different specs. sometimes no. there are *numerous* different legal specs many of them dictated by the federal epa and many others dictated by state-level regulatory agencies throughout the us. gasoline changes by injecting additive. thats what makes chevron chevron and arco arco. before the gasoline is injected with additive its all the same. true but irrelevant. consumers cannot buy gasoline prior to its being injected with additives not additive branded and sold from one gas station or another. as far as ethanol hurting your car im not really sure if thats a sound accusation. there are vehicles designed for use on e85. most vehicles arent -- the engine will probably run if poorly but the fuel system components are not designed to withstand the effects of such a high concentration of ethanol. check your owners manual youll probably find it says ethanol is ok up to 10 or 15% concentration but no higher. you might be talking about m85 nope i was talking about e85. m85 is different and even *less* compatible with conventional vehicle fuel systems than e85. but you need to get used to ethanol because its coming to all gasoline. theres no basis for such an assertion unless you live in california. -stern .
From : daniel j stern
on fri 28 may 2004 brent p wrote this is not correct. e85 is 85% ethanol 15% unleaded gasoline and cannot be used in cars not specifically designed to accept it. it can be used in vehicles not designed for it. its not a good idea if you care about the longevity of the fuel system. well sure if you want to measure your fuel systems longevity in hours rather than years go for it. how do i know this back when i was in sae in college our hybrid car used a geo 3 cylinder engine. one of the guys got it from the salvage yard. none of us did nothing to modify to e85. none of you did nothing so you each did something dont use no double negatives. it lasted through the competition thats all that mattered. exactly. most of us care about our cars lasting beyond sometime next week. -stern .
From : albee kuminova albee
daniel j. stern wrote on tue 25 may 2004 trey wrote i was talking with a friend and she said why pay ten cents a gallon more for chevron gas when abc gas is just as good so lets start the debate what makes one station cost more besides the name on the sign. first step read the gasoline faq http//www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/ chevron really better then arco locally chevy garage says nrver use arco. recommends chevron. but what about costco gas they tell me its straight gas with additives to clean fuel injectors and keep engines clean. but mechanics tell me chevron is more expensive as they use the most and best engine cleaner in techron. so does costco just use less who knows arco puts ethanol in their gasoline regardless of local mandate; chevron does so only when local mandate requires it. ethanol reduces performance and mileage and can cause driveability problems and even fuel system damage especially if improperly blended. e85. check it out on google. 15% gas and 85% ethanol used widely in midwest where corn is plentiful. my truck manual pretty much just says to stay away from mmt and sulfur as best you can. easy to avoid mmt in the us since its not allowed in gasoline except in minuscule quantities. unfortunately ethyl corp. the leaded fuel is good! people successfully sued the canadian epa and won a reversal of canadas mmt ban despite very thorough research done in canada showing mmt to worsen engine running and increase exhaust pollutants. sulphur is a problem that wont be solved across the board until 06 us 05 canada. you dont say where you are. after years of selling some of north americas filthiest highest-sulphur fuels in ontario imperial oil esso known in the us as exxon as of this past november has rolled out ultra-low-sulphur fuel clear across ontario. in the us bp-amoco has been introducing low-sulphur fuel in selected markets. -stern .
From : daniel j stern
on thu 27 may 2004 albee kuminova wrote arco puts ethanol in their gasoline regardless of local mandate; chevron does so only when local mandate requires it. ethanol reduces performance and mileage and can cause driveability problems and even fuel system damage especially if improperly blended. e85. no e85 is a *totally* separate deal. my paragraph above is talking about gasohol which is a blend of up to 15% ethanol in gasoline. check it out on google. 15% gas and 85% ethanol used widely in midwest where corn is plentiful. this is not correct. e85 is 85% ethanol 15% unleaded gasoline and cannot be used in cars not specifically designed to accept it. -stern .
From : brent p
this is not correct. e85 is 85% ethanol 15% unleaded gasoline and cannot be used in cars not specifically designed to accept it. it can be used in vehicles not designed for it. its not a good idea if you care about the longevity of the fuel system. how do i know this back when i was in sae in college our hybrid car used a geo 3 cylinder engine. one of the guys got it from the salvage yard. none of us did nothing to modify to e85. simply poured e85 in the tank. it actually ran better on e85. eventually it was tweaked to minimize emissions on e85 but we didnt have the budget to replace all the fuel system components. it lasted through the competition thats all that mattered. .
From : dave r
chevron really better then arco arco puts ethanol in their gasoline regardless of local mandate; chevron does so only when local mandate requires it. ethanol reduces performance and mileage and can cause driveability problems and even fuel system damage especially if improperly blended. thats not true for all areas. arco only puts ethonol in their winter gas for areas like las vegas. they are trying to avoid using mtbe which is far more dangerous to the ground water than any other additive. besides it is going to outlawed later this year in ca. when that happens chevron will also use ethanol in la. gasoline only changes for two reasons. 1. different areas sometimes have different specs. but all the branded gas will be that spec. 2. gasoline changes by injecting additive. thats what makes chevron chevron and arco arco. before the gasoline is injected with additive its all the same. for example las vegas gasoline all comes into town by one pipeline. theres three products that flow through that pipe. premium gasoline regular gasoline and diesel. that tank farm has dedicated tanks for chevron arco texaco and community. when the tanker is loading the additive is injecting at the same time. during winter months the ethanol is injected the same way. btw chevron in las vegas has been using ethanol for many years. the city banned mtbe. as far as ethanol hurting your car im not really sure if thats a sound accusation. you might be talking about m85 and thats a big different ballgame. but you need to get used to ethanol because its coming to all gasoline. chevron or arco. if you want to pay more for the gallon of gas with no pliable difference then go ahead. .
From : brent p
on fri 28 may 2004 brent p wrote this is not correct. e85 is 85% ethanol 15% unleaded gasoline and cannot be used in cars not specifically designed to accept it. it can be used in vehicles not designed for it. its not a good idea if you care about the longevity of the fuel system. well sure if you want to measure your fuel systems longevity in hours rather than years go for it. and thats what i said. how do i know this back when i was in sae in college our hybrid car used a geo 3 cylinder engine. one of the guys got it from the salvage yard. none of us did nothing to modify to e85. none of you did nothing so you each did something dont use no double negatives. sorry on lord i messed up on my editing. it lasted through the competition thats all that mattered. exactly. most of us care about our cars lasting beyond sometime next week. however the vehicle will run on it for awhile. .
From : steve
brent p wrote this is not correct. e85 is 85% ethanol 15% unleaded gasoline and cannot be used in cars not specifically designed to accept it. it can be used in vehicles not designed for it. its not a good idea if you care about the longevity of the fuel system. how do i know this back when i was in sae in college our hybrid car used a geo 3 cylinder engine. one of the guys got it from the salvage yard. none of us did nothing to modify to e85. simply poured e85 in the tank. it actually ran better on e85. eventually it was tweaked to minimize emissions on e85 but we didnt have the budget to replace all the fuel system components. it lasted through the competition thats all that mattered. was it a carbureted engine or efi with feedback i find it very difficult to believe that you can simply pour in a blend that is almost pure ethanol and have it work anything close to correctly.ethanol is stoichometric at somewhere around twice the fuel/air ratio of gasoline so doing nothing and assuming that the engine management system did nothing either would result in an extreme lean condition. .
From : brent p
was it a carbureted engine or efi with feedback i find it very difficult to believe that you can simply pour in a blend that is almost pure ethanol and have it work anything close to correctly. i was surprised as well when it drained the remaining gasoline and the e85 was poured in. it was some sort of fuel injection but i dont remember if was throttle body or not anymore. ethanol is stoichometric at somewhere around twice the fuel/air ratio of gasoline so doing nothing and assuming that the engine management system did nothing either would result in an extreme lean condition. i didnt say that the engine mangement system didnt react that nothing was done to the engine at that point. i imagine it was running lean but it did run that way. .
From : paul jensen
gasoline only changes for two reasons. 1. different areas sometimes have different specs. but all the branded gas will be that spec. 2. gasoline changes by injecting additive. thats what makes chevron chevron and arco arco. before the gasoline is injected with additive its all the same. i heard an administration official yesterday i believe it was the commerce secretary say there is about 20 different blends for different parts of the country. for example las vegas gasoline all comes into town by one pipeline. theres three products that flow through that pipe. premium gasoline regular gasoline and diesel. i believe the mid-grade is generally made by blending the other two grades. .
From : paul jensen
gasoline changes by injecting additive. thats what makes chevron chevron and arco arco. before the gasoline is injected with additive its all the same. true but irrelevant. consumers cannot buy gasoline prior to its being injected with additives not additive branded and sold from one gas station or another. im not so sure about that. i could be wrong but i think theres a lot of places where one could buy gasoline straight from the pipeline. first off theres the no-name off-brand stations that seem to be available in most parts of the country. then i dont believe that every so-called name brand has their own additives. when i bought my dak last year i wanted to use a gasoline with quality additives in it. i eventually wound up using chevron still do but before i got to that point i was using citgo. its a name brand and they are very prevalent around here. then one day i checked out citgos web site and there was no mention of any additives nothing that set their gas apart from everyone else. by that time several mechanics had suggested chevron to me including the one who pulled the original plugs out of the truck - one was in pretty bad shape. so now i use chevron most of the time - 87 octane per the owners manual. i dont have any real problems with it but once in a while if i have a tank of citgo or brand x in the truck or right after i have burned a tank of citgo or brand x i will get a pinging whenever i try to climb a hill from a stop necessary to get away from my house. this does not happen when i have used multiple tanks of chevron in succession. coincidence .
From : dave r
steve wrote; was it a carbureted engine or efi with feedback i find it very difficult to believe that you can simply pour in a blend that is almost pure ethanol and have it work anything close to correctly.ethanol is stoichometric at somewhere around twice the fuel/air ratio of gasoline so doing nothing and assuming that the engine management system did nothing either would result in an extreme lean condition. it wont and youre 100% right. cars that are modified for e85 will only run on e85. now i dont know what mods are needed for a21 fuel but would like to know. .
From : dave r
daniel j. stern wrote; sometimes no. there are *numerous* different legal specs many of them dictated by the federal epa and many others dictated by state-level regulatory agencies throughout the us. no there are some places that are rural that have just plain gasoline. you might be talking about m85 nope i was talking about e85. m85 is different and even *less* compatible with conventional vehicle fuel systems than e85. i figured most would know the difference e85 is 85% ethanol 15% gasoline. m85 is 85% methanol 15% gasoline not much differerence. either way your vehicle must be modified to burn these fuels so e85 or m85 are not compatible with conventional vehicle fuel systems. besides that has nothing to do with what the oil companies are doing by injecting ethanol into the gasoline. that blend is called oxyenated gasoline a far cry from e85. but you need to get used to ethanol because its coming to all gasoline. theres no basis for such an assertion unless you live in california. there is a basis for this as more and more areas outlaw mtbe. .
From : schumy
i dont think anyone uses mtbe anymore do they -- fmb you mean you have to drink the water in ca now to get your daily minimum requirement g conservative politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and giving everything to the rich. .
From : dave r
no chevron uses a very good additive. but the way it was told to me by our engineers is that a major oil company will use a specific additive and register that mix with the federal government to make their gasoline. chevron refines techron themselves and you will see a trademark on techron. and only chevron can use it. arco chooses not to refine a additive and buys theirs from basf or they did but that mix of their gasoline and that additive makes arco. now citgo might use basf additive but they cant buy unbranded arco and inject basf additive and sell it as citgo. you might be able to buy gasoline with no additive in very rural areas but ive heard talk that the federal government is going to require additives. when i bought my dak last year i wanted to use a gasoline with quality additives in it. i eventually wound up using chevron still do but before i got to that point i was using citgo. its a name brand and they are very prevalent around here. then one day i checked out citgos web site and there was no mention of any additives nothing that set their gas apart from everyone else. by that time several mechanics had suggested chevron to me including the one who pulled the original plugs out of the truck - one was in pretty bad shape. so now i use chevron most of the time - 87 octane per the owners manual. i dont have any real problems with it but once in a while if i have a tank of citgo or brand x in the truck or right after i have burned a tank of citgo or brand x i will get a pinging whenever i try to climb a hill from a stop necessary to get away from my house. this does not happen when i have used multiple tanks of chevron in succession. coincidence .
From : redneck tookover hell
there are vehicles designed for use on e85. most vehicles arent -- the engine will probably run if poorly but the fuel system components are not designed to withstand the effects of such a high concentration of ethanol. ethanol will clean out any crud in the fuel system as will methanol however it is not corrosive as methanol is. you can use it in any conventional fuel system methanol contains more oxygen than ethanol does which results in a power gain when running straight methanol. ethanol makes the same power as gasoline. running e85 does not require almost double the a/f ratio that running straight methanol or ethanol requires. a conventional gasoline carburetor can be jetted rich enough to run e85 espaecially holleys politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. .
From : daniel j stern
on fri 28 may 2004 dave r wrote you might be talking about m85 nope i was talking about e85. m85 is different and even *less* compatible with conventional vehicle fuel systems than e85. i figured most would know the difference e85 is 85% ethanol 15% gasoline. m85 is 85% methanol 15% gasoline not much differerence. either way your vehicle must be modified to burn these fuels so e85 or m85 are not compatible with conventional vehicle fuel systems. ....which is exactly precisely what i said just a couple of posts ago. i dont know whom your argument is with but its not me. -stern .
From : dave r
im sorry if it seems like im arguing. i didnt mean for that. on fri 28 may 2004 dave r wrote you might be talking about m85 nope i was talking about e85. m85 is different and even *less* compatible with conventional vehicle fuel systems than e85. i figured most would know the difference e85 is 85% ethanol 15% gasoline. m85 is 85% methanol 15% gasoline not much differerence. either way your vehicle must be modified to burn these fuels so e85 or m85 are not compatible with conventional vehicle fuel systems. ...which is exactly precisely what i said just a couple of posts ago. i dont know whom your argument is with but its not me. -stern .
From : dave r
youre right about that. unical did that years ago and its very smart alot less hassles for the driver that brings the product. and there are few run outs with this system. gasoline only changes for two reasons. 1. different areas sometimes have different specs. but all the branded gas will be that spec. 2. gasoline changes by injecting additive. thats what makes chevron chevron and arco arco. before the gasoline is injected with additive its all the same. i heard an administration official yesterday i believe it was the commerce secretary say there is about 20 different blends for different parts of the country. for example las vegas gasoline all comes into town by one pipeline. theres three products that flow through that pipe. premium gasoline regular gasoline and diesel. i believe the mid-grade is generally made by blending the other two grades. a lot of the newer stations these days only have two product tanks or multiples not including diesel. the midgrade is blended at the pump. -- fmb only one b in fmb .
From : paul jensen
conservative politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and giving everything to the rich. democratic politics the gentle art of taking away hope and keeping people dependent on government in order to secure continuous votes. .
From : bob g
on tue 25 may 2004 081651 gmt trey treydog90spam@hotmail.com wrote i was talking with a friend and she said why pay ten cents a gallon more for chevron gas when abc gas is just as good ========================== my little brother has worked for a major petroleum company for just over 20 years....as an engineer...not a damn marketing guy and his advice to me is to be absolutely sure to change brands every year.... his reason all gasoline is exactly the same until the additives are added just prior to loading the gas trucks do you think exxon ships a supply of gas from california to new york if the need gas in new york...no way... they get it from someone like bp and vise versa... the advice on switching every year is that some additives will accumulate inside carobs etc and switching to another brand with different detergents etc will generally clean up the accumulated stuff from one brand... what do i know... lol bob griffiths .
From : fmb
gasoline only changes for two reasons. 1. different areas sometimes have different specs. but all the branded gas will be that spec. 2. gasoline changes by injecting additive. thats what makes chevron chevron and arco arco. before the gasoline is injected with additive its all the same. i heard an administration official yesterday i believe it was the commerce secretary say there is about 20 different blends for different parts of the country. for example las vegas gasoline all comes into town by one pipeline. theres three products that flow through that pipe. premium gasoline regular gasoline and diesel. i believe the mid-grade is generally made by blending the other two grades. a lot of the newer stations these days only have two product tanks or multiples not including diesel. the midgrade is blended at the pump. -- fmb only one b in fmb .