Puhleeeeeze! Take it out of the group! WAS: tranny going tobreak

From : bryan swadener

Q: yonzie id bet the farm on you being in the small minority. theres no technical value to the name-calling and chest-thumping and certainly no entertainment value. i wonder if those involved in the flame war even recall what the original question was let-alone any reasonable explanations. im not saying we should always agree -- and i dont expect us to. however since were all adults here and this is a public forum its not unreasonable to expect all of us to act with discretion. there are many other means for those involved in their tit-for-tat fracas to resolve it without involving the rest of us. thank you bryan swadener bryan.swadener@comcast.net wrote i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan i vote to let it stay .

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From : budd cochran

yes it does but lets see if your great mechanical knowledge and experience will help you figure out how. budd but that has nothing to do with a hung caliper. once again your information proves useless and for the most part incorrect. .

From : max340

never owned a gm......lol if you are referring to me thats nearly correct i had a 77 chevy pickup three speed with a 350 from an early z28. otherwise its been all mopar at the house. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : max340

and this from someone who thinks that a hanging flap of the inner liner will actually block a brake hose lol. keep talking your ignorance is almost completely exposed. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : jerry

bryan swadener wrote there are many other means for those involved in their tit-for-tat fracas to resolve it without involving the rest of us. the rest of us dont recall any election held to name you spokesperson around here. i read some of them some of them i dont. thats a choice i have as do you. jerry .

From : daguy

lol yea sure budd. are you really this stupid notice that in my example that both stores were doing this at the same time and were charging equal markups for the same items. the only difference is that the other store was adding on additional charges for the same thing. the funny and sad thing is that you simply justified them doing it without a second thought and you wonder why it is becoming common practice. lol i justified noting but it would take some knowledge of business practices to realize it. the only time a retailer should charge for the extra service without a price cut would be when as i mentioned but you conviently ignored there is a dramatic wholesale price increase in his inventory. of course admitting such could even possibly be the case would destroy your pathetic whines. what does this even mean it appears im correct you have no business sense. what if the diagnosis time for the 68 becomes excessive the real question would be do you really want to know whats wrong or do you want a wild guess if you want an accurate diagnosis then you pay for it whether its done by machine or not. do they just let it go because it doesnt have a diagnostc port never a saw a sun diagnostic in your life have you are you really lod enought to have gone to trade school what if the hookup points to a problem that would have taken hours to diagnose on the 68 in a matter of minutes do you then give them a discount lol you really are a business doofus. did you deliver papers as a kid did you buy them at $0.30 and sell them for $0.29 this is where you lack of knowledge screws you up again no matter how you spin it. if for example you sacked the groceries yourself eggs do not go under canned goods! you could save that cost. thats one way the large warehouse stores save you money. once again you prove yourself to be an idiot. the **guy that cant even figure out simple pricing calls me an idiot no your continued resistance to facts is increasing your idiocy. the cost of bags comes to pennies per customer and the checkout person still has to handle all of the items. then you can add the extra person that stands at the exit and checks all of the people comming out to make sure that they actually bought what they are leaving with which costs more than a few bags. the cost reduction comes from special deals and volume purchases. the shopright by me matches bjs prices on everything that they sell. hey tom/**guy you just demonstrated what weve been trying to tell you yelling intended. there are hidden charges and there are times to bring them out into the open and charge for them separately. lol and you know this how the answer is you dont. wrong again tom/**guy. ive run small businesses off and on since i was 14. i have knowledge of experience behind me. in 1961 i was making more per hour than the president of the local bank in a dry prairie community with no lawns to speak of running a lawn mowing service. the going wage at the time was $1/hr and i was making $5/hr and had one other kid as an employee. you probably werent even a dream in your daddys eye then. as a matter of fact i told you that they didnt and that they were just ripping you off. you are just justifying the added charges and that makes the screw-up you! my my . . . step on your little whines a bit hard and you go all to pieces. you are in error tom/**guy but you wont admit it. are you gary now no but are you sure who you are this sounds like you alter ego and not you. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ .

From : daguy

on sun 04 jan 2004 082543 gmt bryan swadener bryan.swadener@comcast.net wrote yonzie id bet the farm on you being in the small minority. theres no technical value to the name-calling and chest-thumping and certainly no entertainment value. i wonder if those involved in the flame war even recall what the original question was i dont. not even the point. i just love to play with maxie dudd and gary. let-alone any reasonable explanations. im not saying we should always agree -- and i dont expect us to. however since were all adults here and this is a public forum its not unreasonable to expect all of us to act with discretion. there are many other means for those involved in their tit-for-tat fracas to resolve it without involving the rest of us. thank you bryan swadener bryan.swadener@comcast.net wrote i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan i vote to let it stay .

From : max340

and certainly no entertainment value. youd be wrong. however since were all adults here and this is a public forum its not unreasonable to expect all of us to act with discretion. the use some in picking the topics you want to view. there are many other means for those involved in their tit-for-tat fracas to resolve it without involving the rest of us. thank you bryan yeah like you not hitting the open button on this topic header. you are welcome bryan. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : netbeuijerry

i have a 1998 dodge quad cab laramie v8 magnum 5.9 auto transmission leather seats burlwood trim. recently my ac selector knob no longer allows full air flow from the vents. i can tell the fan is working but the airflow is not passing along the right tubes. i was wondereing if this was an easy thing to look at or if i need to take it to the shop. i feel comfortable taking it apart but dont want to get it torn apart and not be able to repair it. any ideas .

From : beekeep

imo and i expect in the opinions of most others there isnt. again you would be wrong. are ya getting this yet your opinion. what i dont get is that a few feel the need to berate others. ive had to resort to automatic filtering. oh damn you had to actually use the software you bought thankfully it has that capability. unfortunately it will also kill the non-inflammatory posts. as youve noted most of those posts are concentrated in one thread. loss of an entire thread which you object to doesnt seem like a problem. its not all tripe... some are worth reading. no thanks to all for forcing me to! wah. go weld some pipe into your clutch linkage. lol i did that *decades* ago -- replaced the rod thru the firewall w/ a piece to accept heim joints on either end -- no welding tho! lol i simply voiced my objection with the implied conjecture that most others feel the same. and jerry has noted what i have you dont know and in some cases youd be wrong. operative phrase some cases. however i still surmise that most people have stopped reading this thread because of the flaming. its my supposition that most who object to the degradation of this thread have chosen to 1 cease reading it because it has become nearly entirely a flame war and wow how hard could that be apparently a nonsequitur response. 2 not respond with their objections to avoid themselves being flamed. well when you see an obvious solution like turning the channel when you dont wish to view the content and you instead choose to berate the masses regarding your choices its a no brainer isnt it yeah i could do that but then there isnt a chance a single person could have any influence over whats on television. i havent berated the masses -- ive simply attempted to get a few to stop flaming others. the flamers know who they are as do the majority who dont flame. i used it for emphasis. typically mime format emphasizes your lack of familiarity with the tools at your disposal. your opinion or a statement made to incite. i hope its the former. i wouldve preferred that your response be related to the subject even if in disagreement instead of the format. and see what ya got sadly yes. thanks for the well-thought-out reasoned response. however i find zero value in anything in the gutter -- id rather not have to weed-through the trash. then get rid of the internet immediately and head to your local library. i visit the library *in addition* to using the internet. i see no reason to limit myself to only one source of information. its the garbage i dont care for. howver -- though i may object to what someone says however distasteful i would defend the persons right to say it. common sense is good. its too bad there isnt much of that in this thread. and you havent added much either. you have however added to the entertainment value. thanks for acknowledging that i have added at least *some* value. bryan . 222 275101 3ff8b171.151476412@1.radix.net on sun 04 jan 2004 215011 gmt bryan swadener bryan.swadener@comcast.net wrote in response to my objections re the flame-war... beekeep honeybs@radix.net wrote its just redneck rasling. beekeep no matter what it is imo it doesnt belong here... it makes me reticent to post a question regarding any issues with my truck and even reply to others. imo there are other methods that would be better suited for those who wish to agitate each other and those of us who are here for the purpose of this ng. there are other groups email instant-messaging chat rooms etc. at least the ones who want to be involved in flaming each other could start another thread. or you could get off your ass and buy the maintenance manual for your truck and take your crying ass complaints elsewhere. beekeep .

From : max340

no matter what it is imo it doesnt belong here... you are welcome to an opinion. the fact remains its a nunmoderated group. as such you are free to speak on any/all topics you wish in the manner you choose. you are also free to choose which topics you open. makes me reticent to post a question regarding any issues with my truck and even reply to others. you then have the choice to decide who is full of crap and who isnt and email those who you wish to ask or reply to. at least the ones who want to be involved in flaming each other could start another thread. as you have with this garbage of not wanting to see something you chose to look at. and certainly no entertainment value. youd be wrong. imo and i expect in the opinions of most others there isnt. again you would be wrong. are ya getting this yet ive had to resort to automatic filtering. oh damn you had to actually use the software you bought unfortunately it will also kill the non-inflammatory posts. as youve noted most of those posts are concentrated in one thread. loss of an entire thread which you object to doesnt seem like a problem. no thanks to all for forcing me to! wah. go weld some pipe into your clutch linkage. i simply voiced my objection with the implied conjecture that most others feel the same. and jerry has noted what i have you dont know and in some cases youd be wrong. ts my supposition that most who object to the degradation of this thread have chosen to 1 cease reading it because it has become nearly entirely a flame war and wow how hard could that be 2 not respond with their objections to avoid themselves being flamed. well when you see an obvious solution like turning the channel when you dont wish to view the content and you instead choose to berate the masses regarding your choices its a no brainer isnt it i used it for emphasis. typically mime format emphasizes your lack of familiarity with the tools at your disposal. i wouldve preferred that your response be related to the subject even if in disagreement instead of the format. and see what ya got thanks for the well-thought-out reasoned response. however i find zero value in anything in the gutter -- id rather not have to weed-through the trash. then get rid of the internet immediately and head to your local library. common sense is good. its too bad there isnt much of that in this thread. and you havent added much either. you have however added to the entertainment value. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : noseyroy

bryan look back and read the posts you made to this thread again. all you have done is encourage them to continue the very kind of bickering that you claimed you wanted stopped and involved yourself as a key participant. its kind of ironic. if you must continue this senseless arguing please take it out of the group. you are causing other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. .

From : roy

yonzie id bet the farm on you being in the small minority. theres no technical value to the name-calling and chest-thumping and certainly no entertainment value. i wonder if those involved in the flame war even recall what the original question was let-alone any reasonable explanations. im not saying we should always agree -- and i dont expect us to. however since were all adults here and this is a public forum its not unreasonable to expect all of us to act with discretion. there are many other means for those involved in their tit-for-tat fracas to resolve it without involving the rest of us. thank you bryan bryan!! is that you it cant be. maybe it is the way he spells his name. roy bryan swadener bryan.swadener@comcast.net wrote i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan i vote to let it stay .

From : bryan swadener

in response to my objections re the flame-war... beekeep honeybs@radix.net wrote its just redneck rasling. beekeep no matter what it is imo it doesnt belong here... it makes me reticent to post a question regarding any issues with my truck and even reply to others. imo there are other methods that would be better suited for those who wish to agitate each other and those of us who are here for the purpose of this ng. there are other groups email instant-messaging chat rooms etc. at least the ones who want to be involved in flaming each other could start another thread. ************************************************** daguy daguy@hereitis.net wrote i just love to play with maxie dudd and gary. see above. ************************************************** max340 max340@aol.compost wrote and certainly no entertainment value. youd be wrong. imo and i expect in the opinions of most others there isnt. however since were all adults here and this is a public forum its not unreasonable to expect all of us to act with discretion. then use some in picking the topics you want to view. ive had to resort to automatic filtering. unfortunately it will also kill the non-inflammatory posts. no thanks to all for forcing me to! there are many other means for those involved in their tit-for-tat fracas to resolve it without involving the rest of us. thank you bryan yeah like you not hitting the open button on this topic header. you are welcome bryan. see above. ************************************************** jerry jlrice@earthlink.net wrote there are many other means for those involved in their tit-for-tat fracas to resolve it without involving the rest of us. the rest of us dont recall any election held to name you spokesperson around here. i read some of them some of them i dont. thats a choice i have as do you. jerry i simply voiced my objection with the implied conjecture that most others feel the same. i knew there would be some who would chide me for speaking up. its my supposition that most who object to the degradation of this thread have chosen to 1 cease reading it because it has become nearly entirely a flame war and 2 not respond with their objections to avoid themselves being flamed. ************************************************** beekeep honeybs@radix.net wrote i vote that the bastard learns how to post out of mime format. beekeep i used it for emphasis. i see it got your attention enough to be compelled to respond. i wouldve preferred that your response be related to the subject even if in disagreement instead of the format. ************************************************** denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote bryan while i agree the thread has digressed into the gutter there is a value to it. its called sorting out the bullshitters from the people that know what they are talking about. of course this varies from subject to subject. also if you have followed this group for any length of time you will have noticed how a couple of posters can make a couple of other posters jump thru a hoop any time they want. now that is good! denny thanks for the well-thought-out reasoned response. however i find zero value in anything in the gutter -- id rather not have to weed-through the trash. yeah ive noticed a few posters tend to be more inciting than others. differing opinions are one thing -- name-calling and taunting are quite another. ************************************************** max340 max340@aol.compost wrote i speak for myself and i expect many others as do i. read the topic headers and avoid topics you do not wish to read. common sense it does a world of good to those that wish to moderate an unmoderated group. max common sense is good. its too bad there isnt much of that in this thread. .

From : willywankabryan swadener

i should have mentioned where i am ohio.. where would i find the laws concerning the legality of altered exhaust.. -- life isnt a destination but a journey. make the time to stop along the way. if i use 1 converter on each pipe am i still going to be legal what are your state laws regarding this ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .

From : bryan swadener

no matter what it is imo it doesnt belong here... you are welcome to an opinion. the fact remains its a nunmoderated group. as such you are free to speak on any/all topics you wish in the manner you choose. you are also free to choose which topics you open. i choose to open a topic in the hope that there will be something of value. that ive had to resort to filtering indicates the lack of self-control on the part of a few in their posts. makes me reticent to post a question regarding any issues with my truck and even reply to others. you then have the choice to decide who is full of crap and who isnt and email those who you wish to ask or reply to. whether or not someone is talking out of their hat isnt a concern to me. however it does concern irritate me that a few would use a potentially useful forum for the purpose of belittling others. i typically dont reply to those. at least the ones who want to be involved in flaming each other could start another thread. as you have with this garbage of not wanting to see something you chose to look at. i open a posting in the hope that it has some redeeming value. and certainly no entertainment value. youd be wrong.

From : bryan swadener

on sun 04 jan 2004 215011 gmt bryan swadener bryan.swadener@comcast.net wrote in response to my objections re the flame-war... beekeep honeybs@radix.net wrote its just redneck rasling. beekeep no matter what it is imo it doesnt belong here... it makes me reticent to post a question regarding any issues with my truck and even reply to others. imo there are other methods that would be better suited for those who wish to agitate each other and those of us who are here for the purpose of this ng. there are other groups email instant-messaging chat rooms etc. at least the ones who want to be involved in flaming each other could start another thread. or you could get off your ass and buy the maintenance manual for your truck and take your crying ass complaints elsewhere. beekeep i did... several years ago... factory service manual... and havent had any technical questions of my own yet. and im not going anywhere because you or anyone would prefer it. bryan .

From : prowler99

lol. scotty-boy sometimes you just out-do yourself. if these self-appointed moderators could only look back far enough at the history of this group and see how many of their ilk have fallen and failed before them...... oh well maybe he needs to start a new group alt.netnannies and he and those that believe will have a place where they are always on topic and never flame hahaha yea. randy no matter what it is imo it doesnt belong here... you are welcome to an opinion. the fact remains its a nunmoderated group. as such you are free to speak on any/all topics you wish in the manner you choose. you are also free to choose which topics you open. makes me reticent to post a question regarding any issues with my truck and even reply to others. you then have the choice to decide who is full of crap and who isnt and email those who you wish to ask or reply to. at least the ones who want to be involved in flaming each other could start another thread. as you have with this garbage of not wanting to see something you chose to look at. and certainly no entertainment value. youd be wrong. imo and i expect in the opinions of most others there isnt. again you would be wrong. are ya getting this yet ive had to resort to automatic filtering. oh damn you had to actually use the software you bought unfortunately it will also kill the non-inflammatory posts. as youve noted most of those posts are concentrated in one thread. loss of an entire thread which you object to doesnt seem like a problem. no thanks to all for forcing me to! wah. go weld some pipe into your clutch linkage. i simply voiced my objection with the implied conjecture that most others feel the same. and jerry has noted what i have you dont know and in some cases youd be wrong. ts my supposition that most who object to the degradation of this thread have chosen to 1 cease reading it because it has become nearly entirely a flame war and wow how hard could that be 2 not respond with their objections to avoid themselves being flamed. well when you see an obvious solution like turning the channel when you dont wish to view the content and you instead choose to berate the masses regarding your choices its a no brainer isnt it i used it for emphasis. typically mime format emphasizes your lack of familiarity with the tools at your disposal. i wouldve preferred that your response be related to the subject even if in disagreement instead of the format. and see what ya got thanks for the well-thought-out reasoned response. however i find zero value in anything in the gutter -- id rather not have to weed-through the trash. then get rid of the internet immediately and head to your local library. common sense is good. its too bad there isnt much of that in this thread. and you havent added much either. you have however added to the entertainment value. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : denny

as i give nosey a slap on the back and a couple of thumbs up........... denny bryan look back and read the posts you made to this thread again. all you have done is encourage them to continue the very kind of bickering that you claimed you wanted stopped and involved yourself as a key participant. its kind of ironic. if you must continue this senseless arguing please take it out of the group. you are causing other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. .

From : max340

i choose to open a topic in the hope that there will be something of value. that ive had to resort to filtering indicates the lack of self-control on the part of a few in their posts. no argument here. however you are complaining about something only you can choose to change using tools on your end of the great big machine. whether or not someone is talking out of their hat isnt a concern to me. then you shouldnt be barking about the present situation. however it does concern irritate me that a few would use a potentially useful forum for the purpose of belittling others. i typically dont reply to those. welcome to freedom of speech. i open a posting in the hope that it has some redeeming value. your hope of redeeming value was based on complainingabout others which was the basis of the stuff you wanted to get rid of. ironic isnt it your opinion. what i dont get is that a few feel the need to berate others. sorta like your post berating those who you felt were abusing the neswsgroup wah. go weld some pipe into your clutch linkage. lol i did that *decades* ago yes i remember the rather odd way you described it and i hoped it was better designed than you described. i also remember the ridiculous clutch pressure you were running. operative phrase some cases. however i still surmise that most

From : roy

from a lurker - you guys dont know me killfiles work well. several regulars here are in mine and you nothing personal as well as several others are teetering a keystroke away from the edge. i personally am looking for useful information on two vehicles i own. well ask away but please dont moderate. roy .

From : jim hall

from a lurker - you guys dont know me killfiles work well. several regulars here are in mine and you nothing personal as well as several others are teetering a keystroke away from the edge. i personally am looking for useful information on two vehicles i own. on a percentage-of-posts basis there is very little here although some people simmons and lawrence come to mind are outstanding. i realize that this group is not here for my personal amusement and social banter among the community is great. after a certain amount of time you guys ought to either knock it off or at least raise the level of the insults to a junior high school level. the quality of flaming in here is pathetic. the problem with killfiles is that very occasionally the killfiled folk have something useful to say. unfortunately i quit smut-diving for pearls a long time ago. taint worth it. carry on. jim hall 520 exc and others turning money into noise... .

From : budd cochranroy

reread the words you use especially when it comes to redefining words to suit your purpose and tell us again how you are not tom. youre building up a case against yourself and not smart enough to realize it. budd cochran on 02 jan 2004 223039 gmt max340@aol.compost max340 wrote one i never called gary every name in the book. never said ya did simply noted your willingness to do so try reading. actually over the years i have called him very few. proving my point. i have a very big book max. yes and im sure its hidden under your veil. second you will have to show me where i accused gary of fraudulant business practices. the beginning of this thread where you reply to denny thanks for the question that is pretty much where im coming from. i have an honest mechanic while gary is a rip off artist. im not going to question your mechanics honesty but i think you are wrong about gary. he sounds above board to me. fair enough. he just seems pretty bottom drawer to me. or this maybe that is the reason why you are still crawling under cars rather than hiring people to crawl under cars gary; you dont have any diea what the hell you are doing. and the original reply to denny thanks for the question that is pretty much where im coming from. i have an honest mechanic while gary is a rip off artist. rip off artist = fraudulant business practices. i nevefr did this is just more stupid spin on your part. really the posts are there for all to see..... looks to me like you are lying. having been on this group for about four years i have plenty of reason to judge your behavior as well as garys and budds. with no reason what fucking ng have you been reading you said its not real. if its not real no reason to judge. sorry to upset your delicate little sensibilites max. no upset here just amusement that you cant seem to decide how real this is and whether or not to stick to what you claim is the right way to do things. btw when are ya gonna let us in on who the bankrupt bouncer is and if you really think thats me when are ya gonna provide proof come on drop the veil open the big book of insults and get on stage the audience is waiting!!! max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. well max if you are so amused but not upset what motivates you to follow my posts so closely it is flattering though so thank you. however even then i dont see where i ever called gary a fraud other than by your definition. now i realize that you used to teach school but never the less i am not going ot be bound by your definitions such as they are. oh and you are the one who said you were a bar bouncer. you are also the one who said you had filed bankruptcy. i was only going on your statements so if they are wrong you indeed are a liar. but then i really dont care if you are lying or not. its all just too much fun. and before you step on your tongue any more the veil of secrecy was budds accusation. to just picked it up like you because it was such a stupid assertion. i am glad that we agree on something while you still have a long ways to go it is a step in the right direction for you. over or is the bar open now .

From : cbhvac

ok ill bite. what do the brake hoses have to do with a hung caliper this is not a wise assed comment. i have heard this before and want to know the thought process behind it. they collapse inside and will not allow the pressure to either make it fully to the caliper or allow the fluid to release the caliper once its been activated. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. check also the rubber brake hoses. thats the first thing i would replace as it would not be very expensive. .

From : roy

roy roy@home.net wrote well ask away but please dont moderate. roy not a problem. its up to the regular denizens of the group to decide how they want to socialize. third grade playtime is fine with me. g socialization requires some skills that are lacking. i thought you said in your previous post you were looking for useful info on two vehicles. perhaps if you posed a question the info might be forthcoming. roy .

From : jim hall

roy roy@home.net wrote well ask away but please dont moderate. roy not a problem. its up to the regular denizens of the group to decide how they want to socialize. third grade playtime is fine with me. g jim hall 520 exc and others turning money into noise... .

From : jim hall

roy roy@home.net wrote socialization requires some skills that are lacking. true. i thought you said in your previous post you were looking for useful info on two vehicles. perhaps if you posed a question the info might be forthcoming. i actually did a week or so ago. i concerned the availability of worthwhile shop manuals and i was pointed in the right direction. for some reason i own two cummins 4wd. pickups a 94 and a 97. i suppose i ought to sell one but.. in general i am trying to educate myself about these vehicles. there was a time long ago in my life when i did all my mechanical work. i may start doing it again. not that i need another hobby or anything. i learn best by listening - hence my bitch about the signal-to-noise ratio. it *can* be easily fixed however. but since you asked question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. question 2 the front drive has gone out on the 94. this isnt much of a problem since the 97 is my daily driver but with winter upon us it would be nice to get the 94 fixed. the prime suspect for a time was the axle-locking gizmo on the front axle but after a wasted hour or so with a borrowed hand vacuum pump i now suspect a fault in the vacuum system that drives the axle-locking gizmo. the haynes manual is particularly worthless when it comes to the vacuum system hence my question a while back regarding the availability of the factory shop manual. given the nature of the problem it would likely be a good idea for me to order and rtfm and act accordingly. im a shadetree mechanic at best and since i dont have a lot of free time i may just pay someone who knows what they are doing. danke. jim hall 520 exc and others turning money into noise... .

From : bryan swadener

hi jim it doesnt necessarily make sense to me that both calipers would have to be replaced but the mechanic may have been using the theory that if one side is toast likely the other side will be close-behind. you didnt indicate what he found in the way of pad wear. im thinking that if its pulling right the problem may be a pad that is dragging while youre driving it and immediately fades organic material or grips harder semimetallic when you step on the brake pedal. pad wear should give a clue about that. if thats the case and the calipers are floating types id look for any binding in the method thats used to float the calipers. if thats the case and the calipers are rigidly mounted to the steering knuckle theyd have two or four pistons - with sticking pistons and one/both should be replaced/rebuilt. http//www.moparmanuals.com/ appears to have many in pdf format on cdrom. i looked to see if they listed it as available for your 94 but got this response 1990-2003 sorry we are not licensed for these products! call tech authority at 800 890-4038 or see their website http//www.techauthority.daimlerchrysler.com/ on our links page. it appears they may have what you are/were looking for. bryan roy roy@home.net wrote socialization requires some skills that are lacking. true. i thought you said in your previous post you were looking for useful info on two vehicles. perhaps if you posed a question the info might be forthcoming. i actually did a week or so ago. i concerned the availability of worthwhile shop manuals and i was pointed in the right direction. for some reason i own two cummins 4wd. pickups a 94 and a 97. i suppose i ought to sell one but.. in general i am trying to educate myself about these vehicles. there was a time long ago in my life when i did all my mechanical work. i may start doing it again. not that i need another hobby or anything. i learn best by listening - hence my bitch about the signal-to-noise ratio. it *can* be easily fixed however. but since you asked question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. question 2 the front drive has gone out on the 94. this isnt much of a problem since the 97 is my daily driver but with winter upon us it would be nice to get the 94 fixed. the prime suspect for a time was the axle-locking gizmo on the front axle but after a wasted hour or so with a borrowed hand vacuum pump i now suspect a fault in the vacuum system that drives the axle-locking gizmo. the haynes manual is particularly worthless when it comes to the vacuum system hence my question a while back regarding the availability of the factory shop manual. given the nature of the problem it would likely be a good idea for me to order and rtfm and act accordingly. im a shadetree mechanic at best and since i dont have a lot of free time i may just pay someone who knows what they are doing. danke. jim hall 520 exc and others turning money into noise... .

From : rick blainetbone

question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. check also the rubber brake hoses. thats the first thing i would replace as it would not be very expensive. .

From : tbone

ok ill bite. what do the brake hoses have to do with a hung caliper this is not a wise assed comment. i have heard this before and want to know the thought process behind it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. check also the rubber brake hoses. thats the first thing i would replace as it would not be very expensive. .

From : bryan swadener

cbhvac stephenaddressscfrewedonpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote in ok ill bite. what do the brake hoses have to do with a hung caliper this is not a wise assed comment. i have heard this before and want to know the thought process behind it. they collapse inside and will not allow the pressure to either make it fully to the caliper or allow the fluid to release the caliper once its been activated. ive never seen/heard of a hose collapsing -- but spose it could happen. not a bad idea to check em anyway... one blown rubber hose and youve screwed things! bryan .

From : max340

ive never seen/heard of a hose collapsing -- but spose it could happen. the inner liner swells and in the course of use can break loose and form a flap or blockage. makes for a maddening bug in a hydraulic system. this is because it inevitably happens in a portion of the hose that cannot be seen so its not obvious. one clue is a whine or buzz but it may not make either. not a bad idea to check em anyway... one blown rubber hose and youve screwed things! actually its a good idea to change them as preventitive maintenance. not saying its done all the time but its a good idea. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : budd cochran

puhleeeeeze! take it to a thread with the proper subject line. yep byan youre as effectively as off topic as anyone mr moderator wannabe. how does it feel to have your whining bite you back budd hi jim it doesnt necessarily make sense to me that both calipers would have to be replaced but the mechanic may have been using the theory that if one side is toast likely the other side will be close-behind. you didnt indicate what he found in the way of pad wear. im thinking that if its pulling right the problem may be a pad that is dragging while youre driving it and immediately fades organic material or grips harder semimetallic when you step on the brake pedal. pad wear should give a clue about that. if thats the case and the calipers are floating types id look for any binding in the method thats used to float the calipers. if thats the case and the calipers are rigidly mounted to the steering knuckle theyd have two or four pistons - with sticking pistons and one/both should be replaced/rebuilt. http//www.moparmanuals.com/ appears to have many in pdf format on cdrom. i looked to see if they listed it as available for your 94 but got this response 1990-2003 sorry we are not licensed for these products! call tech authority at 800 890-4038 or see their website http//www.techauthority.daimlerchrysler.com/ on our links page. it appears they may have what you are/were looking for. bryan roy roy@home.net wrote socialization requires some skills that are lacking. true. i thought you said in your previous post you were looking for useful info on two vehicles. perhaps if you posed a question the info might be forthcoming. i actually did a week or so ago. i concerned the availability of worthwhile shop manuals and i was pointed in the right direction. for some reason i own two cummins 4wd. pickups a 94 and a 97. i suppose i ought to sell one but.. in general i am trying to educate myself about these vehicles. there was a time long ago in my life when i did all my mechanical work. i may start doing it again. not that i need another hobby or anything. i learn best by listening - hence my bitch about the signal-to-noise ratio. it *can* be easily fixed however. but since you asked question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. question 2 the front drive has gone out on the 94. this isnt much of a problem since the 97 is my daily driver but with winter upon us it would be nice to get the 94 fixed. the prime suspect for a time was the axle-locking gizmo on the front axle but after a wasted hour or so with a borrowed hand vacuum pump i now suspect a fault in the vacuum system that drives the axle-locking gizmo. the haynes manual is particularly worthless when it comes to the vacuum system hence my question a while back regarding the availability of the factory shop manual. given the nature of the problem it would likely be a good idea for me to order and rtfm and act accordingly. im a shadetree mechanic at best and since i dont have a lot of free time i may just pay someone who knows what they are doing. danke. jim hall 520 exc and others turning money into noise... .

From : budd cochran

dont try educate tom/**guy hes supposed to know it all already. budd cbhvac stephenaddressscfrewedonpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote in ok ill bite. what do the brake hoses have to do with a hung caliper this is not a wise assed comment. i have heard this before and want to know the thought process behind it. they collapse inside and will not allow the pressure to either make it fully to the caliper or allow the fluid to release the caliper once its been activated. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. check also the rubber brake hoses. thats the first thing i would replace as it would not be very expensive. .

From : budd cochran

brake hoses can also balloon swell up under braking pressure reducing effective system pressure. many times stainless steel reinforced lines are recommended. budd question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. check also the rubber brake hoses. thats the first thing i would replace as it would not be very expensive. .

From : cbhvac

ive never seen/heard of a hose collapsing -- but spose it could happen. the inner liner swells and in the course of use can break loose and form a flap or blockage. makes for a maddening bug in a hydraulic system. this is because it inevitably happens in a portion of the hose that cannot be seen so its not obvious. one clue is a whine or buzz but it may not make either. never owned a gm......lol not a bad idea to check em anyway... one blown rubber hose and youve screwed things! actually its a good idea to change them as preventitive maintenance. not saying its done all the time but its a good idea. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : roybudd cochran

me wrote of course its a dodge.. i was just reading a post about the oil.. do you need to buy a specific brand do some brands produce an odor when you drive i guess im saying i dont know half as much as i thought i did but i still want my 1 ton .. thanks guys... some real interesting and informative posts here ive been lurking for months. for all of your ctd knowledge needs http//www.turbodieselregister.com join em. you wont regret it. yup that is where all your cummins questions will get answered. nice bunch of people as well. roy .

From : budd cochran

on topic with the group yes. on topic with the thread his original and primary complaint btw no. i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan this was his original topic since it appears youve forgotton. are you still having trouble finding your brain budd damn budd what you quoted looks pretty on topic to me. have problems with your reading comprehention beekeep .

From : tbone

but that has nothing to do with a hung caliper. once again your information proves useless and for the most part incorrect. - if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving brake hoses can also balloon swell up under braking pressure reducing effective system pressure. many times stainless steel reinforced lines are recommended. budd question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. check also the rubber brake hoses. thats the first thing i would replace as it would not be very expensive. .

From : neil nelsonbudd cochranbudd cochran

max340@aol.compost max340 wrote overhead is accounted for in the shop labor rate specialized equipment that doesnt fall under general servicing gets billed according to the provisions of the labor time manual. bingo. precisely as i explained it to tbone. one can only imagine the frustration his school teachers felt. were i to be employed by someone and had to supply my own scan tool etc. the charges for that would have been negotiated at the time of hire possibly a split flat rate scale. again a seperate charge for use of specialized equipment. the above and this are not very much different from here just handled in a bit different way. its still billed out to the consumer in the end. and then theres the flip side where if the customer doesnt see mention of any diagnostics youre setting yourself up because there is no proof that they were done to begin with. boils down to; theyre *his* codes not mine if he wants the problem fixed hes going to have to pay for the necessary steps to do so. hell its not uncommon for a customer to call and ask to have the vehicle picked up and they tell you where the spare house key is so you can let yourself in and grab the keys off the hook. gotta love living in an area where ya can actually trust the guy down at the garage or where ever without question. i certainly do. as ive often said maybe not here though theres plenty of honest money to be made no need to resort to crooked practices. .

From : beekeep

on tue 06 jan 2004 114208 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@spamcitlink.net wrote puhleeeeeze! take it to a thread with the proper subject line. yep byan youre as effectively as off topic as anyone mr moderator wannabe. how does it feel to have your whining bite you back budd damn budd what you quoted looks pretty on topic to me. have problems with your reading comprehention beekeep hi jim it doesnt necessarily make sense to me that both calipers would have to be replaced but the mechanic may have been using the theory that if one side is toast likely the other side will be close-behind. you didnt indicate what he found in the way of pad wear. im thinking that if its pulling right the problem may be a pad that is dragging while youre driving it and immediately fades organic material or grips harder semimetallic when you step on the brake pedal. pad wear should give a clue about that. if thats the case and the calipers are floating types id look for any binding in the method thats used to float the calipers. if thats the case and the calipers are rigidly mounted to the steering knuckle theyd have two or four pistons - with sticking pistons and one/both should be replaced/rebuilt. http//www.moparmanuals.com/ appears to have many in pdf format on cdrom. i looked to see if they listed it as available for your 94 but got this response 1990-2003 sorry we are not licensed for these products! call tech authority at 800 890-4038 or see their website http//www.techauthority.daimlerchrysler.com/ on our links page. it appears they may have what you are/were looking for. bryan roy roy@home.net wrote socialization requires some skills that are lacking. true. i thought you said in your previous post you were looking for useful info on two vehicles. perhaps if you posed a question the info might be forthcoming. i actually did a week or so ago. i concerned the availability of worthwhile shop manuals and i was pointed in the right direction. for some reason i own two cummins 4wd. pickups a 94 and a 97. i suppose i ought to sell one but.. in general i am trying to educate myself about these vehicles. there was a time long ago in my life when i did all my mechanical work. i may start doing it again. not that i need another hobby or anything. i learn best by listening - hence my bitch about the signal-to-noise ratio. it *can* be easily fixed however. but since you asked question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. question 2 the front drive has gone out on the 94. this isnt much of a problem since the 97 is my daily driver but with winter upon us it would be nice to get the 94 fixed. the prime suspect for a time was the axle-locking gizmo on the front axle but after a wasted hour or so with a borrowed hand vacuum pump i now suspect a fault in the vacuum system that drives the axle-locking gizmo. the haynes manual is particularly worthless when it comes to the vacuum system hence my question a while back regarding the availability of the factory shop manual. given the nature of the problem it would likely be a good idea for me to order and rtfm and act accordingly. im a shadetree mechanic at best and since i dont have a lot of free time i may just pay someone who knows what they are doing. danke. jim hall 520 exc and others turning money into noise... .

From : budd cochran

after steve mentioned a collapse inside the line i understood how that could happen. if you had the mechanical experience and knowledge you pretend to have you would have already known about it. at least i am capable of being educated budd something that has long disappeared in your life. then why is it you cant be educated about the use of english grammar or automotive mechanics now why dont you go crawl into a corner somewhere. theyre all taken by your alter egos. .

From : jerry

budd cochran wrote on topic with the group yes. on topic with the thread his original and primary complaint btw no. i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan this was his original topic since it appears youve forgotton. are you still having trouble finding your brain budd did i miss something here did you just pull a quote from a different subject line and put it in a new subject line of your own and then tell him he was off topic i cant find the original take it out of the group! was tranny going tobreak subject line. guess my reader is going to pot. jerry .

From : jerry

budd cochran wrote im sorry you dont see the point jerry. actually i do............ jerry .

From : tbone

after steve mentioned a collapse inside the line i understood how that could happen. at least i am capable of being educated budd something that has long disappeared in your life. now why dont you go crawl into a corner somewhere. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving dont try educate tom/**guy hes supposed to know it all already. budd cbhvac stephenaddressscfrewedonpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote in ok ill bite. what do the brake hoses have to do with a hung caliper this is not a wise assed comment. i have heard this before and want to know the thought process behind it. they collapse inside and will not allow the pressure to either make it fully to the caliper or allow the fluid to release the caliper once its been activated. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving question 1 the 97 pulls to the right under braking. i take it to the shop and the mechanic pulls it apart and says a front brake caliper is sticking. he doesnt want to just replace the offending caliper or heaven help me - look at it and fix what may be wrong with it but he wants to replace both calipers as a matched set. he can give me no coherent reason why he has to do this but insists that it must be done this way. i pay him for his time but for $700 or so i pass on the caliper replacement. for that amount of money i can program myself to steer left a little when i stop. is there a rational reason why both calipers should be replaced i can only speculate that there may possibly be a benefit if they wear in at the same rate. check also the rubber brake hoses. thats the first thing i would replace as it would not be very expensive. .

From : beekeep

on tue 06 jan 2004 161359 gmt jerry jlrice@earthlink.net wrote budd cochran wrote on topic with the group yes. on topic with the thread his original and primary complaint btw no. i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan this was his original topic since it appears youve forgotton. are you still having trouble finding your brain budd did i miss something here did you just pull a quote from a different subject line and put it in a new subject line of your own and then tell him he was off topic i cant find the original take it out of the group! was tranny going tobreak subject line. guess my reader is going to pot. jerry typical budd back peddling. quote one thing and then claim to mean something else. part of becoming old i guess. beekeep .

From : budd cochran

im sorry you dont see the point jerry. its simply the fact the subject line still says take it out of the group. budd budd cochran wrote on topic with the group yes. on topic with the thread his original and primary complaint btw no. i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan this was his original topic since it appears youve forgotton. are you still having trouble finding your brain budd did i miss something here did you just pull a quote from a different subject line and put it in a new subject line of your own and then tell him he was off topic i cant find the original take it out of the group! was tranny going tobreak subject line. guess my reader is going to pot. jerry .

From : budd cochran

you should know about it better than i do. you covered your butt that way. budd on tue 06 jan 2004 161359 gmt jerry jlrice@earthlink.net wrote budd cochran wrote on topic with the group yes. on topic with the thread his original and primary complaint btw no. i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan this was his original topic since it appears youve forgotton. are you still having trouble finding your brain budd did i miss something here did you just pull a quote from a different subject line and put it in a new subject line of your own and then tell him he was off topic i cant find the original take it out of the group! was tranny going tobreak subject line. guess my reader is going to pot. jerry typical budd back peddling. quote one thing and then claim to mean something else. part of becoming old i guess. beekeep .

From : tbonetbone

my great mechanical knowledge tells me that as usual you must resort to childish attacks because even you cant explain where the crap you say comes from. please explain exactly how the effective system pressure is effected and how this lower pressure is going to hang the caliper. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving yes it does but lets see if your great mechanical knowledge and experience will help you figure out how. budd but that has nothing to do with a hung caliper. once again your information proves useless and for the most part incorrect. .

From : tbone

after steve mentioned a collapse inside the line i understood how that could happen. if you had the mechanical experience and knowledge you pretend to have you would have already known about it. why you dont. i had to think about how a bad line could cause that problem and after steve mentioned a collapse it had to think about what possible type of collapse could cause that symptom. at least i am capable of being educated budd something that has long disappeared in your life. then why is it you cant be educated about the use of english grammar or automotive mechanics oh please budd grow up already. i answer far more questions in this ng correctly than you do and the proof is in the history here. i dont have to resort to you constant childish accusations of the other person not knowing anything like you seem to need to do. now why dont you go crawl into a corner somewhere. theyre all taken by your alter egos. self projecting again -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : theguy

on tue 06 jan 2004 180528 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@spamcitlink.net wrote you should know about it better than i do. you covered your butt that way. budd oh well it was so nice there for a few days. but dudd the moron is back. there goes any chance of this thing settling down. on tue 06 jan 2004 161359 gmt jerry jlrice@earthlink.net wrote budd cochran wrote on topic with the group yes. on topic with the thread his original and primary complaint btw no. i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan this was his original topic since it appears youve forgotton. are you still having trouble finding your brain budd did i miss something here did you just pull a quote from a different subject line and put it in a new subject line of your own and then tell him he was off topic i cant find the original take it out of the group! was tranny going tobreak subject line. guess my reader is going to pot. jerry typical budd back peddling. quote one thing and then claim to mean something else. part of becoming old i guess. beekeep .

From : budd cochran

yep. come out of the closet with your identity if you dare. budd on tue 06 jan 2004 180528 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@spamcitlink.net wrote you should know about it better than i do. you covered your butt that way. budd oh well it was so nice there for a few days. but dudd the moron is back. there goes any chance of this thing settling down. on tue 06 jan 2004 161359 gmt jerry jlrice@earthlink.net wrote budd cochran wrote on topic with the group yes. on topic with the thread his original and primary complaint btw no. i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan this was his original topic since it appears youve forgotton. are you still having trouble finding your brain budd did i miss something here did you just pull a quote from a different subject line and put it in a new subject line of your own and then tell him he was off topic i cant find the original take it out of the group! was tranny going tobreak subject line. guess my reader is going to pot. jerry typical budd back peddling. quote one thing and then claim to mean something else. part of becoming old i guess. beekeep .

From : tkfmax340

ive look for any exterior vent i can find. do you know where they are located it pulls in outside air through the cowl vents. that sounds like the blend air door is either stuck or its control cable has popped off. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i have the same problem with my 97 ram 1500. ive checked that water in moving through the core but i get barely any heatand i mean barely if i turn the fan on all i get is cold air also. i thought that i was getting cold air from the outside but i can find no outside vent. surely someone has been through this problem too. hello group i have a 97 dakota 4 cylinder 2wd standard pick up. recently the heater stopped working i replaced the thermostat but still no heat. if i turn the switch to heat but dont turn on the fan a little heat comes out of the vents but if i turn on the fan all i get is cool air. any help so i can take care of this problem myself would be appreciated. robert. .

From : jerry

cbhvac wrote look..fun is fun but everyone of you are taking this to new extremes...while i dont agree with 3 in particular i have made it a point to try to stay out of the flame wars... budd...you are a friend..i have no issue with you but i do have a problem with jump on budd nights. you guys dont like what he says will you ignore the posts budd same for you since i said no one in particular...ignore em...just once i wish you could say something and one of the others actually try to get along with ya instead of this bullshit flaming that has gone beyond flaming. if you have noticed steve i and several others have made it pretty much of a point to avoid budd for some time now. i make one little post hinting to budd that his little stunt didnt go unnoticed. he didnt or wouldnt take the hint so i said okay fine let it go. now everyone is picking on budd. sorry but he pretty much brings most of this on himself. truth is ive seen most of the usual crowd here ignore him in the past and he becomes bored and starts jumping on every new poster that runs through here. just scan back several months and you will see what i mean. oh!.... one last point..... no one could jump on him if he wasnt involved in the thread to start with. dont be surprised if you dont get the response from him that you hope for. jerry .

From : max340

my great mechanical knowledge tells me that as usual you must resort to childish attacks because even you cant explain where the crap you say comes from. says the major user of pinhead crawl into a corner etc..... please explain exactly how the effective system pressure is effected and how this lower pressure is going to hang the caliper. if you dont understand how a balloning hose will lower effective pressure all your physics classes were for nought. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : max340

oh please budd grow up already. pot kettle black. i answer far more questions in this ng correctly than you do and the proof is in the history here. damn that was funny. i dont have to resort to you constant childish accusations of the other person not knowing anything like you seem to need to do. then why do you max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : theguy

on tue 06 jan 2004 200350 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@spamcitlink.net wrote yep. come out of the closet with your identity if you dare. budd you stupid fuck. what the fuck difference would that make. if i told you that i was dick huge and lived in cleveland would that somehow make my comments more or less convincing to you it makes absolutley no difference in this cyber world. you are a perfect example. you put your name out there and you are still a stupid fuck with no sense whatsoever whose comments mean nothing. your obsession with my identity only makes me want to keep it a secret even more you idiot. if it bugs you well................game on. on tue 06 jan 2004 180528 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@spamcitlink.net wrote you should know about it better than i do. you covered your butt that way. budd oh well it was so nice there for a few days. but dudd the moron is back. there goes any chance of this thing settling down. on tue 06 jan 2004 161359 gmt jerry jlrice@earthlink.net wrote budd cochran wrote on topic with the group yes. on topic with the thread his original and primary complaint btw no. i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan this was his original topic since it appears youve forgotton. are you still having trouble finding your brain budd did i miss something here did you just pull a quote from a different subject line and put it in a new subject line of your own and then tell him he was off topic i cant find the original take it out of the group! was tranny going tobreak subject line. guess my reader is going to pot. jerry typical budd back peddling. quote one thing and then claim to mean something else. part of becoming old i guess. beekeep .

From : budd cochran

did i miss something here obviously you thought you missed it. budd budd cochran wrote im sorry you dont see the point jerry. actually i do............ jerry .

From : budd cochran

or how a residual pressure valve wont let the ballooning go down and can cause a caliper to drag then boil brake fluid raising the pressure even more causing it to squeeze even tighter until the residual pressure level is exceeded and the pressure levels off and so on. yep tom/**guys certainly the expert and we should just let them/him/it answer all questions until he/them/it kills someone. budd my great mechanical knowledge tells me that as usual you must resort to childish attacks because even you cant explain where the crap you say comes from. says the major user of pinhead crawl into a corner etc..... please explain exactly how the effective system pressure is effected and how this lower pressure is going to hang the caliper. if you dont understand how a balloning hose will lower effective pressure all your physics classes were for nought. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : jerry

budd cochran wrote did i miss something here obviously you thought you missed it. budd christ budd that was a simply tongue in cheek shot in your direction for what you were attempting to pull but since it went over your head i guess it is best to just let it continue in the direction that it passed by you. guess i should have know better............... jerry .

From : cbhvac

budd cochran wrote did i miss something here obviously you thought you missed it. budd christ budd that was a simply tongue in cheek shot in your direction for what you were attempting to pull but since it went over your head i guess it is best to just let it continue in the direction that it passed by you. guess i should have know better............... jerry look..fun is fun but everyone of you are taking this to new extremes...while i dont agree with 3 in particular i have made it a point to try to stay out of the flame wars... budd...you are a friend..i have no issue with you but i do have a problem with jump on budd nights. you guys dont like what he says will you ignore the posts budd same for you since i said no one in particular...ignore em...just once i wish you could say something and one of the others actually try to get along with ya instead of this bullshit flaming that has gone beyond flaming. .

From : tbone

whats the matter maxi cant your puppy defend itself -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving oh please budd grow up already. pot kettle black. i answer far more questions in this ng correctly than you do and the proof is in the history here. damn that was funny. i dont have to resort to you constant childish accusations of the other person not knowing anything like you seem to need to do. then why do you max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : metheguy

on tue 06 jan 2004 130436 gmt honeybs@radix.net beekeep wrote 483 american volunteer soldiers died in iraq in 03. 599 homicides committed in chicago in 03. innocent civilians murdered by us forces in their war of terror .... makes those numbers look very insignificant... .

From : max340

you stupid fuck. the fuck difference still a stupid fuck budd hit a neerrve budd hit a neeerrve...... neener neener and all that.... max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : max340

whats the matter maxi cant your puppy defend itself whats the matter tbone was the hoop too much of a temptation max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : budd cochran

cbhvac stephenaddressscfrewedonpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote in look..fun is fun but everyone of you are taking this to new extremes...while i dont agree with 3 in particular i have made it a point to try to stay out of the flame wars... it has not been fun for me at all but then you werent being attacked for what you say correct or not. budd...you are a friend..i have no issue with you but i do have a problem with jump on budd nights. you guys dont like what he says will you ignore the posts budd same for you since i said no one in particular...ignore em...just once i wish you could say something and one of the others actually try to get along with ya instead of this bullshit flaming that has gone beyond flaming. steve as my friend you know in the past i didnt flame for no reason. you also know ive always given the best most accurate advice i can. no i dont like the flame wars either. nor as you know do i like incorrect answers. there are some in this group that have a more severe problem with being corrected than they claim i do and they go on the attack because of their immaturity. their lack of common courtesy not to menton lack of mechanical knowledge is appalling. the lack of support for my attempts to get posters the best possible answers is very discouraging especially as often as i have tried to support and even defend others in this group. i am also discouraged by the apparent disappearance of those i considered friends in my time of need. for those reasons as far as im concerned there will be no more attempts to correct bad info from me or to post in this group. i tried to keep this a decent responsive accurate group but since no one else gives a darn i wont either. budd .

From : theguy

on tue 6 jan 2004 203950 -0500 cbhvac stephenaddressscfrewedonpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote budd cochran wrote did i miss something here obviously you thought you missed it. budd christ budd that was a simply tongue in cheek shot in your direction for what you were attempting to pull but since it went over your head i guess it is best to just let it continue in the direction that it passed by you. guess i should have know better............... jerry look..fun is fun but everyone of you are taking this to new extremes...while i dont agree with 3 in particular i have made it a point to try to stay out of the flame wars... budd...you are a friend..i have no issue with you but i do have a problem with jump on budd nights. you guys dont like what he says will you ignore the posts budd same for you since i said no one in particular...ignore em...just once i wish you could say something and one of the others actually try to get along with ya instead of this bullshit flaming that has gone beyond flaming. i will try to be civil here. while budd brings this on himself i am as weary of it and him as anyone. i will ignore budd and drop this matter. but if budd jumps all over someone again i will not ignore that. if he wants to act civil then he wont hear from me. .

From : michael greenwood

hehe..here we go again g. i gotta admit it *is* becoming entertaining. --mike whats the matter maxi cant your puppy defend itself -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving oh please budd grow up already. pot kettle black. i answer far more questions in this ng correctly than you do and the proof is in the history here. damn that was funny. i dont have to resort to you constant childish accusations of the other person not knowing anything like you seem to need to do. then why do you max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : cbhvac

hehe..here we go again g. i gotta admit it *is* becoming entertaining. --mike not after the first 30 times 2 years ago... whats the matter maxi cant your puppy defend itself -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving oh please budd grow up already. pot kettle black. i answer far more questions in this ng correctly than you do and the proof is in the history here. damn that was funny. i dont have to resort to you constant childish accusations of the other person not knowing anything like you seem to need to do. then why do you max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : michael greenwood

8- - - still got the 4 meg file on the website...under the hyf page....just in case you think we are just playing games in irag...watch that again and think back to the first thought you had when you saw that plane hit...and untold stories yet to be suddenly were snuffed out....that fast.... 8- - - here is another one for you. http//nathanadams.com/wesupportu.htm .

From : michael greenwood

not after the first 30 times 2 years ago... well im new to this group but a dodge ram guy since 84 so the novelty hasnt worn off yet. ;- --mike cbhvac stephenaddressscfrewedonpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote in hehe..here we go again g. i gotta admit it *is* becoming entertaining. --mike not after the first 30 times 2 years ago... whats the matter maxi cant your puppy defend itself -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving oh please budd grow up already. pot kettle black. i answer far more questions in this ng correctly than you do and the proof is in the history here. damn that was funny. i dont have to resort to you constant childish accusations of the other person not knowing anything like you seem to need to do. then why do you max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : tbone

after all this time and you still dont know the answer to that one. lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving whats the matter maxi cant your puppy defend itself whats the matter tbone was the hoop too much of a temptation max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : tbone

or how a residual pressure valve wont let the ballooning go down and can cause a caliper to drag then boil brake fluid raising the pressure even more causing it to squeeze even tighter until the residual pressure level is exceeded and the pressure levels off and so on. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha that has to be the funniest thing i heard yet! what temperature exactly is needed to cause dot 3 or 4 brake fluid to boil how does a ballooning brake hose cause your residual pressure valve to behave any differently than it would normally when it comes to simple physics you really dont have seem to have a clue. btw what exactly is the purpose of a residual pressure valve in a standard brake system yep tom/**guys certainly the expert and we should just let them/him/it answer all questions until he/them/it kills someone. back to the unsubstantiated accusations again lol. budd my great mechanical knowledge tells me that as usual you must resort to childish attacks because even you cant explain where the crap you say comes from. says the major user of pinhead crawl into a corner etc..... please explain exactly how the effective system pressure is effected and how this lower pressure is going to hang the caliper. if you dont understand how a balloning hose will lower effective pressure all your physics classes were for nought. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : tbone

my great mechanical knowledge tells me that as usual you must resort to childish attacks because even you cant explain where the crap you say comes from. says the major user of pinhead crawl into a corner etc..... please explain exactly how the effective system pressure is effected and how this lower pressure is going to hang the caliper. if you dont understand how a balloning hose will lower effective pressure all your physics classes were for nought. and this from someone who thinks that a hanging flap of the inner liner will actually block a brake hose lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

in all honesty steve budd brings most of this on himself. he seems to have no problem making whatever comments he likes about others but god forbid someone gives him a little taste of his own medicine. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving cbhvac stephenaddressscfrewedonpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote in budd cochran wrote did i miss something here obviously you thought you missed it. budd christ budd that was a simply tongue in cheek shot in your direction for what you were attempting to pull but since it went over your head i guess it is best to just let it continue in the direction that it passed by you. guess i should have know better............... jerry look..fun is fun but everyone of you are taking this to new extremes...while i dont agree with 3 in particular i have made it a point to try to stay out of the flame wars... budd...you are a friend..i have no issue with you but i do have a problem with jump on budd nights. you guys dont like what he says will you ignore the posts budd same for you since i said no one in particular...ignore em...just once i wish you could say something and one of the others actually try to get along with ya instead of this bullshit flaming that has gone beyond flaming. .

From : beekeep

on wed 07 jan 2004 023002 gmt theguy theguy@myplace.com wrote i will try to be civil here. while budd brings this on himself i am as weary of it and him as anyone. i will ignore budd and drop this matter. but if budd jumps all over someone again i will not ignore that. if he wants to act civil then he wont hear from me. hey i wished the mf a merry xmas and he still jumps all over me. budd doesnt know how to be civil. ive been here for many years and he has always been this way. he loves to give it out but then crys when he gets it back. we ran him the phuck out of here once but a few months later he slithered back. keep jumping on him maybe the old bastard will pop! beekeep .

From : jerry

roy wrote give me the strength to keep my hands off the keyboard!! gbmfg you know roy there was one thing positive about budd. he diverted tbones attention away from some of the threads. they are easy to spot..... short peaceful and informative. jerry .

From : tbone

are you my new best friend jerry -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving roy wrote give me the strength to keep my hands off the keyboard!! gbmfg you know roy there was one thing positive about budd. he diverted tbones attention away from some of the threads. they are easy to spot..... short peaceful and informative. jerry .

From : jerry

gary glaenzer wrote bullshit you guys go out of your way to respond to anything budd posts okay asshole put up or shut up. except for yesterday reference posts in the last couple months where budd and i have gotten into a squabble. jerry .

From : roy

cbhvac stephenaddressscfrewedonpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote in look..fun is fun but everyone of you are taking this to new extremes...while i dont agree with 3 in particular i have made it a point to try to stay out of the flame wars... it has not been fun for me at all but then you werent being attacked for what you say correct or not. budd...you are a friend..i have no issue with you but i do have a problem with jump on budd nights. you guys dont like what he says will you ignore the posts budd same for you since i said no one in particular...ignore em...just once i wish you could say something and one of the others actually try to get along with ya instead of this bullshit flaming that has gone beyond flaming. steve as my friend you know in the past i didnt flame for no reason. you also know ive always given the best most accurate advice i can. no i dont like the flame wars either. nor as you know do i like incorrect answers. there are some in this group that have a more severe problem with being corrected than they claim i do and they go on the attack because of their immaturity. their lack of common courtesy not to menton lack of mechanical knowledge is appalling. the lack of support for my attempts to get posters the best possible answers is very discouraging especially as often as i have tried to support and even defend others in this group. i am also discouraged by the apparent disappearance of those i considered friends in my time of need. for those reasons as far as im concerned there will be no more attempts to correct bad info from me or to post in this group. i tried to keep this a decent responsive accurate group but since no one else gives a darn i wont either. budd give me the strength to keep my hands off the keyboard!! gbmfg roy .

From : max340

what temperature exactly is needed to cause dot 3 or 4 brake fluid to boil not sure but i can tell you its not as uncommon as you seem to believe. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : gary glaenzer

cbhvac wrote look..fun is fun but everyone of you are taking this to new extremes...while i dont agree with 3 in particular i have made it a point to try to stay out of the flame wars... budd...you are a friend..i have no issue with you but i do have a problem with jump on budd nights. you guys dont like what he says will you ignore the posts budd same for you since i said no one in particular...ignore em...just once i wish you could say something and one of the others actually try to get along with ya instead of this bullshit flaming that has gone beyond flaming. if you have noticed steve i and several others have made it pretty much of a point to avoid budd for some time now. bullshit you guys go out of your way to respond to anything budd posts .

From : max340

gary nailed it...... you assholes go out of your way to respond to every post he makes if you had the maturity to just let it pass this flare-up would never have happpened but youre like a bunch of 3rd graders.........you just keep harping and pissing and moaning about stuff that can not possibly matter to anyone except your child-like egos max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : gary glaenzer

bullshit you assholes go out of your way to respond to every post he makes if you had the maturity to just let it pass this flare-up would never have happpened but youre like a bunch of 3rd graders.........you just keep harping and pissing and moaning about stuff that can not possibly matter to anyone except your child-like egos in all honesty steve budd brings most of this on himself. he seems to have no problem making whatever comments he likes about others but god forbid someone gives him a little taste of his own medicine. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving cbhvac stephenaddressscfrewedonpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote in did i miss something here obviously you thought you missed it. budd christ budd that was a simply tongue in cheek shot in your direction for what you were attempting to pull but since it went over your head i guess it is best to just let it continue in the direction that it passed by you. guess i should have know better............... jerry look..fun is fun but everyone of you are taking this to new extremes...while i dont agree with 3 in particular i have made it a point to try to stay out of the flame wars... budd...you are a friend..i have no issue with you but i do have a problem with jump on budd nights. you guys dont like what he says will you ignore the posts budd same for you since i said no one in particular...ignore em...just once i wish you could say something and one of the others actually try to get along with ya instead of this bullshit flaming that has gone beyond flaming. .

From : gary glaenzer

on wed 07 jan 2004 023002 gmt theguy theguy@myplace.com wrote i will try to be civil here. while budd brings this on himself i am as weary of it and him as anyone. i will ignore budd and drop this matter. but if budd jumps all over someone again i will not ignore that. if he wants to act civil then he wont hear from me. hey i wished the mf a merry xmas and he still jumps all over me. budd doesnt know how to be civil. ive been here for many years and he has always been this way. he loves to give it out but then crys when he gets it back. we ran him the phuck out of here once but a few months later he slithered back. keep jumping on him maybe the old bastard will pop! beekeep greg you are one ignorant son of a bitch you have gone completely over the fucking edge with that statement .

From : gary glaenzer

and this from someone who thinks that a hanging flap of the inner liner will actually block a brake hose lol. you havent worked on many brake systems have you child .

From : gary glaenzer

yep tom/**guys certainly the expert and we should just let them/him/it answer all questions until he/them/it kills someone. an excellent idea ! then we can all sit back and throw insults at his advice .

From : bryan swadener

what temperature exactly is needed to cause dot 3 or 4 brake fluid to boil not sure but i can tell you its not as uncommon as you seem to believe. max to answer the question i found this in a google search http//www.speedi-bleed.com/referenceinfo3.html bryan .

From : gary glaenzer

yesterday was enough now shut the fuck up gary glaenzer wrote bullshit you guys go out of your way to respond to anything budd posts okay asshole put up or shut up. except for yesterday reference posts in the last couple months where budd and i have gotten into a squabble. jerry .

From : terrygary glaenzer

ok so maybe i only have ding trouble. proud owner of a 2002 flame red quad cab 1500 ram. recently it has developed a problem that is driving me crazy until i can make it to the dealer for repair. seems that when i put it in drive and reach 15 mph the doors automatically lock as designed to do but now the dash warning light door ajar lights and the interior lights come on and the warning ding sounds. i believe i can even hear the automatic door lock attempting to lock with each ding as well. i could live with the lights on but not that damn constant ding ding ding....well you get the idea. all the doors are closed and locked. ive even stopped and opened and re-closed all doors and manually locked them all but the condition continues. my appt. with the dealer isnt until next week. anyone know of anything i can do to disable all this until then any guidance would be completely appreciated. thanks .

From : gary glaenzer

or how a residual pressure valve wont let the ballooning go down and can cause a caliper to drag then boil brake fluid raising the pressure even more causing it to squeeze even tighter until the residual pressure level is exceeded and the pressure levels off and so on. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha that has to be the funniest thing i heard yet! what temperature exactly is needed to cause dot 3 or 4 brake fluid to boil dot 3 284f dot 4 311f .

From : bryan swadener

dot 3 284f dot 4 311f those numbers are indicated as the minimum wet boiling point. http//www.speedi-bleed.com/referenceinfo3.html shows a cart indicating the boiling point over a 0 - 2% change in moisture content. it also discusses other aspects of dot3/dot4 brake fluid. bryan .

From : tbone

gee gary and this is not his initiating the bs. and now here you are following along. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving yep tom/**guys certainly the expert and we should just let them/him/it answer all questions until he/them/it kills someone. an excellent idea ! then we can all sit back and throw insults at his advice .

From : tbonetbone

explain to me exactly how this is possible. now dont be the fool that you are trying to be and explain the real reason by accident while trying to justify your bs. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and this from someone who thinks that a hanging flap of the inner liner will actually block a brake hose lol. you havent worked on many brake systems have you child .

From : tbone

wrong that is the minimum wet boiling point try again dork. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving or how a residual pressure valve wont let the ballooning go down and can cause a caliper to drag then boil brake fluid raising the pressure even more causing it to squeeze even tighter until the residual pressure level is exceeded and the pressure levels off and so on. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha that has to be the funniest thing i heard yet! what temperature exactly is needed to cause dot 3 or 4 brake fluid to boil dot 3 284f dot 4 311f .

From : tbone

lol a flapper valve has a positive seat and is designed to be some what ridged at least in one direction and faces little pressure. we are talking about a flexible piece of torn rubber with no seat facing incredible pressure. i really doubt that is would be able to block much of anything. now what else happens when the rubber tears how about that the fluid starts getting between the inner layer and outer layers and begins to collapse the inner layer onto itself effectively forming a ball valve that will resist movement in either direction. this will also cause the puffing of the outer layer and the hissing sound that max described. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving think about it try thinking flapper valve if thats not too difficult for your trio of brain cells explain to me exactly how this is possible. now dont be the fool that you are trying to be and explain the real reason by accident while trying to justify your bs. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and this from someone who thinks that a hanging flap of the inner liner will actually block a brake hose lol. you havent worked on many brake systems have you child .

From : tbone

i answer as many questionsif not more than either you or your buddy maxi. whats the matter gary dont like getting called on your own bullshit -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving hey show youve got a pair of big brass ones the next time somebody asks for advice you provide the information well sit back and let you make an ass of yourself cause god knows that on most things technical you havent got a fucking clue well see how well you like it when every post you make is ridiculed twisted thrown back in your face so go ahead show what you;ve got...........if you dare gee gary and this is not his initiating the bs. and now here you are following along. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving yep tom/**guys certainly the expert and we should just let them/him/it answer all question

From : jerry

gary glaenzer wrote think about it try thinking flapper valve if thats not too difficult for your trio of brain cells no it would be more like a flag on a pole shade tree and move in which ever direction the wind is blowing or in this case fluid. a flapper valve opens only in one direction. remember this from your previous post. the next time somebody asks for advice you provide the information well sit back and let you make an ass of yourself cause god knows that on most things technical you havent got a fucking clue. maybe you might want to re-write this shade tree. btw still waiting for those posts you said i jumped on budd these last few months. jerry .

From : gary glaenzer

hey show youve got a pair of big brass ones the next time somebody asks for advice you provide the information well sit back and let you make an ass of yourself cause god knows that on most things technical you havent got a fucking clue well see how well you like it when every post you make is ridiculed twisted thrown back in your face so go ahead show what you;ve got...........if you dare gee gary and this is not his initiating the bs. and now here you are following along. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving yep tom/**guys certainly the expert and we should just let them/him/it answer all questions until he/them/it kills someone. an excellent idea ! then we can all sit back and throw insults at his advice .

From : gary glaenzer

think about it try thinking flapper valve if thats not too difficult for your trio of brain cells explain to me exactly how this is possible. now dont be the fool that you are trying to be and explain the real reason by accident while trying to justify your bs. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and this from someone who thinks that a hanging flap of the inner liner will actually block a brake hose lol. you havent worked on many brake systems have you child .

From : tbone

lol looks like we have someone else in here that cant resist getting involved huh max -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving gary nailed it...... only in your tiny little mind. you assholes go out of your way to respond to every post he makes if you had the maturity to just let it pass this flare-up would never have happpened but youre like a bunch of 3rd graders.........you just keep harping and pissing and moaning about stuff that can not possibly matter to anyone except your child-like egos max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : scott b hogletbone

well it looks like your vehicle is built and it started the shipment process on 01/05/04. i was hoping to be able to provide you with railcar numbers but they have not been assigned yet. once the vehicle hits the rails the process is pretty quick - sometimes it just takes awhile before the vehicle gets loaded on a railcar. ill follow-up in a few days and let you know what i find. have a great week and thanks for buying a dcx vehicle. sbh amazing he came through - the last 8 characters are 4j201067. thanks! pk on 7 jan 2004 171536 gmt scott b. hogle sbhogle-remove@msn.com wrote if you have the last eight of the vin ill be happy to check the estimated ship date for you. have a great week. sbh i asked the internet salesman at the dealer. he weaseled a bit on how long it should still take complaining about not knowing how long the transportation should take and didnt give me a date. pk on wed 07 jan 2004 054424 gmt mark markis@home.com wrote how do you know they are painting it is there a site you go to to follow up ive never bought a vehicle i had built before this sounds cool. so if it was painted today when should it hit the dealer 1500 4x4 quad cab. tia pk posted via uncensored-.com - accounts starting at $6.95 - http//www.uncensored-.com the worlds uncensored source posted via uncensored-.com - accounts starting at $6.95 - http//www.uncensored-.com the worlds uncensored source .

From : gary glaenzer

an excellent idea ! then we can all sit back and throw insults at his advice . 222 275470 rj2lb.779055$fm2.757235@attbis04 well see big man well see enjoy yourself i answer as many questionsif not more than either you or your buddy maxi. whats the matter gary dont like getting called on your own bullshit -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving hey show youve got a pair of big brass ones the next time somebody asks for advice you provide the information well sit back and let you make an ass of yourself cause god knows that on most things technical you havent got a fucking clue well see how well you like it when every post you make is ridiculed twisted thrown back in your face so go ahead show what you;ve got...........if you dare gee gary and this is not his initiating the bs. and now here you are following along. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving yep tom/**guys certainly the expert and we should just let them/him/it answer all questions until he/them/it kills someone. an excellent idea ! then we can all sit back and throw insults at his advice .

From : jerry

max340 wrote gary nailed it...... you assholes go out of your way to respond to every post he makes if you had the maturity to just let it pass this flare-up would never have happpened but youre like a bunch of 3rd graders.........you just keep harping and pissing and moaning about stuff that can not possibly matter to anyone except your child-like egos max shade tree didnt nail shit and besides they way you chase tbone around i dont think you have much room to talk. jerry .

From : dennymichael greenwoodmichael greenwood

i sure as hell dont want to get involved in this bullshit but ill try to explain this. on the rubber brake hose to the caliper a piece of rubber from the inside of the hose will come loose. when you press on the brake pedal high pressure will go past the loose piece and apply the piston. when you take your foot off the pedal and the pressure releases the loose piece of rubber restricts or blocks the oil from the caliper so the piston either stays applied to some degree or slowly bleeds off. an easy way to test for this is to have a buddy press on the pedal and leave off. if the caliper does not release right away open the bleed valve if it then releases you have a restriction somewhere-probably the hose. yes this condition does show up from time to time. its not real common but it does happen. bitch on boys denny lol a flapper valve has a positive seat and is designed to be some what ridged at least in one direction and faces little pressure. we are talking about a flexible piece of torn rubber with no seat facing incredible pressure. i really doubt that is would be able to block much of anything. now what else happens when the rubber tears how about that the fluid starts getting between the inner layer and outer layers and begins to collapse the inner layer onto itself effectively forming a ball valve that will resist movement in either direction. this will also cause the puffing of the outer layer and the hissing sound that max described. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving think about it try thinking flapper valve if thats not too difficult for your trio of brain cells explain to me exactly how this is possible. now dont be the fool that you are trying to be and explain the real reason by accident while trying to justify your bs. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and this from someone who thinks that a hanging flap of the inner liner will actually block a brake hose lol. you havent worked on many brake systems have you child .

From : tbone

ok i misplaced my scorecard...which one is shade tree --mike gary glaenzer wrote think about it try thinking flapper valve if thats not too difficult for your trio of brain cells no it would be more like a flag on a pole shade tree and move in which ever direction the wind is blowing or in this case fluid. a flapper valve opens only in one direction. remember this from your previous post. the next time somebody asks for advice you provide the information well sit back and let you make an ass of yourself cause god knows that on most things technical you havent got a fucking clue. maybe you might want to re-write this shade tree. btw still waiting for those posts you said i jumped on budd these last few months. jerry .

From : tbone

well see big man well at least you got that part right little boy. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

bullshit ok gary believe what you want to believe no matter how wrong you are. you assholes go out of your way to respond to every post he makes lol you had better review the history in here. budd has been jumping into far more threads of mine then i do in his. perhaps if every post of his didnt include some childish comment about me i would not bother to reply or jump into any of them. if you had the maturity to just let it pass this flare-up would never have happpened and what about your buddy is it only us that need the maturity to let it pass while he continues to act like a foolish child much like yourself -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

that would be gary. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ok i misplaced my scorecard...which one is shade tree --mike gary glaenzer wrote think about it try thinking flapper valve if thats not too difficult for your trio of brain cells no it would be more like a flag on a pole shade tree and move in which ever direction the wind is blowing or in this case fluid. a flapper valve opens only in one direction. remember this from your previous post. the next time somebody asks for advice you provide the information well sit back and let you make an ass of yourself cause god knows that on most things technical you havent got a fucking clue. maybe you might want to re-write this shade tree. btw still waiting for those posts you said i jumped on budd these last few months. jerry .

From : theguy

on wed 7 jan 2004 221341 -0500 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote bullshit ok gary believe what you want to believe no matter how wrong you are. you assholes go out of your way to respond to every post he makes lol you had better review the history in here. budd has been jumping into far more threads of mine then i do in his. perhaps if every post of his didnt include some childish comment about me i would not bother to reply or jump into any of them. if you had the maturity to just let it pass this flare-up would never have happpened and what about your buddy is it only us that need the maturity to let it pass while he continues to act like a foolish child much like yourself ok just jumpin in to point out that i am not jumpin into this again! just saying i aint saying. .

From : michael greenwood

thanks! --mike that would be gary. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ok i misplaced my scorecard...which one is shade tree --mike gary glaenzer wrote think about it try thinking flapper valve if thats not too difficult for your trio of brain cells no it would be more like a flag on a pole shade tree and move in which ever direction the wind is blowing or in this case fluid. a flapper valve opens only in one direction. remember this from your previous post. the next time somebody asks for advice you provide the information well sit back and let you make an ass of yourself cause god knows that on most things technical you havent got a fucking clue. maybe you might want to re-write this shade tree. btw still waiting for those posts you said i jumped on budd these last few months. jerry .

From : tbone

i never said that a restriction could not form in the hose i simply said that the flapper valve or hanging piece of rubber theory is a load of crap. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i sure as hell dont want to get involved in this bullshit but ill try to explain this. on the rubber brake hose to the caliper a piece of rubber from the inside of the hose will come loose. when you press on the brake pedal high pressure will go past the loose piece and apply the piston. when you take your foot off the pedal and the pressure releases the loose piece of rubber restricts or blocks the oil from the caliper so the piston either stays applied to some degree or slowly bleeds off. an easy way to test for this is to have a buddy press on the pedal and leave off. if the caliper does not release right away open the bleed valve if it then releases you have a restriction somewhere-probably the hose. yes this condition does show up from time to time. its not real common but it does happen. bitch on boys denny lol a flapper valve has a positive seat and is designed to be some what ridged at least in one direction and faces little pressure. we are talking about a flexible piece of torn rubber with no seat facing incredible pressure. i really doubt that is would be able to block much of anything. now what else happens when the rubber tears how about that the fluid starts getting between the inner layer and outer layers and begins to collapse the inner layer onto itself effectively forming a ball valve that will resist movement in either direction. this will also cause the puffing of the outer layer and the hissing sound that max described. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving think about it try thinking flapper valve if thats not too difficult for your trio of brain cells explain to me exactly how this is possible. now dont be the fool that you are trying to be and explain the real reason by accident while trying to justify your bs. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving and this from someone who thinks that a hanging flap of the inner liner will actually block a brake hose lol. you havent worked on many brake systems have you child .

From : jim hall

bryan swadener bryan.swadener@comcast.net wrote jim ought to feel lucky he doesnt have brake system issues i had w/ my 77. i wound up replacing/rebuilding nearly everything except the brake pedal itself! strangely the brake hoses *appeared* fine. i think ill take another look at em tho! thanks for the information guys. i appreciate it. jim hall 520 exc and others turning money into noise... .

From : tbone

i never said that a restriction could not form in the hose i simply said that the flapper valve or hanging piece of rubber theory is a load of crap. tom dont pull that crap on me. ok if a flapper valve or hanging piece of rubber isnt a restriction what is it i knew darn well what gary meant but you just want to argue. now get your last word in and be done with it. well denny i dont know what i now must have done to you but i did explain how this type of blockage can occur. perhaps you should go back a post and read it again especially since my explanation was in the very post you responded to. like jerry also said a hanging piece of rubber is just going to wave back and forth like a flag and block nothing. now i understand that because budd says that i dont know anything that it must be true but.... -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : yonzieyonzie

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From : yonzie

just like vultures waiting picking and shitting dale max340 max340@aol.compost wrote gary nailed it...... you assholes go out of your way to respond to every post he makes if you had the maturity to just let it pass this flare-up would never have happpened but youre like a bunch of 3rd graders.........you just keep harping and pissing and moaning about stuff that can not possibly matter to anyone except your child-like egos max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : randy robinettmax340

my 1997 2500 4x4 has a musty smell and i hear water rolling around in the heater core area. i have blow compressed air and put a thin wire in the a/c drain. it did not help. any suggestions thanks in advance. randy .

From : max340

i never said that a restriction could not form in the hose i simply said that the flapper valve or hanging piece of rubber theory is a load of crap. lol you said it was crap then you described exactly how it works. whatever.... max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : witt19tbone

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From : tbone

i never said that a restriction could not form in the hose i simply said that the flapper valve or hanging piece of rubber theory is a load of crap. lol you said it was crap then you described exactly how it works. whatever.... do you even know what a flapper valve is -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max340

this will also cause the puffing of the outer layer and the hissing sound that max described. well i guess if wait in silence long enough you prove me right and make your own assertions the foolish crap i said they were. now what else happens when the rubber tears how about that the fluid starts getting between the inner layer and outer layers and begins to collapse the inner layer onto itself effectively forming a ball valve that will resist movement in either direction. yeah that would be the flapper valve gary mentioned. all of which you describe right afer saying i really doubt that is would be able to block much of anything. really and in the next line you explain exactly how it could block the line. its even more amusing when you argue with yourself. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : max340

lol looks like we have someone else in here that cant resist getting involved huh max pray tell did you not reply dozens of times already and did you miss my posts prior to this one hell i thought i was involved but really neil has handed you your ass far more times than you even know about. as such i dont need to say much and when i do you try to blame me for your involvement by association well max is doing it too! so..... whatever.......go claim something cant be and then explain how it is exactly as you claim it cannot be. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : max340

shade tree didnt nail shit lol says the guy who claims to be better than..... besides they way you chase tbone around i dont think you have much room to talk. dude i get him up and spinning he leaps through the hoops insults the wrong guy and gets his ass handed to him. i dont chase him i just throw the water on him and he runs all over like a scalded cat. as for room to talk i dont emply the methods that seem to be stock in trade for tbone *guy and lately yourself. i use each persons chosen name and try to avoid the third grade name calling. i am certain i do not use the sexual innuendo/deviation/potty talk that seems to be a favorite of many in here. but whatever you want to think. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : max340

i answer as many questionsif not more than either you or your buddy maxi. lol answering and using accuracy and facts are two very different things. furthermore i doubt you answer as much as you claim. if you do it must suck having to sit and read every thread looking for as many opportunities to answer as you claim to have taken. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : tbone

this will also cause the puffing of the outer layer and the hissing sound that max described. well i guess if wait in silence long enough you prove me right and make your own assertions the foolish crap i said they were. prove you right how just because you got a sound right now what else happens when the rubber tears how about that the fluid starts getting between the inner layer and outer layers and begins to collapse the inner layer onto itself effectively forming a ball valve that will resist movement in either direction. yeah that would be the flapper valve gary mentioned. how exactly does this form a flapper valve are we back in maxworld again all of which you describe right afer saying i really doubt that is would be able to block much of anything. and it wouldnt. really and in the next line you explain exactly how it could block the line. that is correct. now perhaps you could explain exactly how fluid getting between the inner and outer layer forms a flapper valve. its even more amusing when you argue with yourself. but much more fun to watch you desperatly make a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

i answer as many questionsif not more than either you or your buddy maxi. lol answering and using accuracy and facts are two very different things. and this you would know better than anyone. furthermore i doubt you answer as much as you claim. oh really prove it. if you do it must suck having to sit and read every thread looking for as many opportunities to answer as you claim to have taken. i read all of the posts in this ng there just isnt all that many of them any more and even less with questions. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

lol looks like we have someone else in here that cant resist getting involved huh max pray tell did you not reply dozens of times already and did you miss my posts prior to this one hell i thought i was involved but really neil has handed you your ass far more times than you even know about. as such i dont need to say much and when i do you try to blame me for your involvement by association well max is doing it too! so..... whatever.......go claim something cant be and then explain how it is exactly as you claim it cannot be. perhaps if you actually knew what a flapper valve was or how it works you would stop making an idiot out of yourself. i do find it hard to believe that someone as full of shit as yourself doesnt know this. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : jerry

max340 wrote lol says the guy who claims to be better than..... well i know better than to tell people not to pay attention to dc requirements for transmission oil and that they can do just as well with dexron motor oil and lubeguard mixed together. i know that ats is not a high profile transmission shop just because of advertising gimmicks as he once stated. i dont claim to be the expert and still make dumb statements like this in a profession he should know better as a self proclaimed expert. besides they way you chase tbone around i dont think you have much room to talk. dude i get him up and spinning he leaps through the hoops insults the wrong guy and gets his ass handed to him. i dont chase him i just throw the water on him and he runs all over like a scalded cat. you might fool someone that just passed through here with that statement but ive been here long enough to know better. you only started using that excuse a few months back when someone else passed it off as your reason for chasing him around. sorry max but you both have more in common than you would like to admit. in short you simply like to argue even when you are wrong and know it. sure isnt stopping you from trying to spin here though is it. jerry .

From : jerry

max340 wrote now what else happens when the rubber tears how about that the fluid starts getting between the inner layer and outer layers and begins to collapse the inner layer onto itself effectively forming a ball valve that will resist movement in either direction. yeah that would be the flapper valve gary mentioned. no a ball gate or globe valve will restrict flow in both direction which you already know. a flapper valve restricts flow in only one direction which you also know huh. think toilet bowl............... jerry .

From : theguy

on thu 08 jan 2004 233235 -0600 yonzie yonzie@mac.com wrote fatchance@noway.now wrote i never said that a restriction could not form in the hose i simply said that the flapper valve or hanging piece of rubber theory is a load of crap. lol you said it was crap then you described exactly how it works. whatever.... do you even know what a flapper valve is yeah that thing that always hangs open on the back of long johns hmmm. and i thought it was that thing that i have to jiggle the toilet handle to get to close. .

From : max340

in short you simply like to argue even when you are wrong and know it. sure isnt stopping you from trying to spin here though is it. like i said you can think whatever you want. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : tbonetbone

did it work having trouble posting on several of my groups just testing to see if this works. thanks. .

From : max340

i really doubt that is would be able to block much of anything. and it wouldnt. really and in the next line you explain exactly how it could block the line. that is correct. now perhaps you could explain exactly how fluid getting between the inner and outer layer forms a flapper valve. lol again arguing with yourself. but much more fun to watch you desperatly make a fool out of yourself. lol i dont have to say a damn thing to watch you run in circles on this one. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : max340

no a ball gate or globe valve will restrict flow in both direction which you already know. yup. a flapper valve restricts flow in only one direction which you also know huh. think toilet bowl............... think loose flap of rubber restricting a passageway. think loose flap of rubber swollen from constant immersion of pressurized oil. think that if one flap has torn off the inner wall of the hose that the other side of the tear may form another flapper valve in the opposite direction. is it realyl that hard for you people to understand and further if a person doesnt have that much experience with hydraulic line why are they disputing an answer which was asked for because they admitted they didnt know that much typical of the knowitalls admit they dont know get an answer and bitch because they dont think the answer is right. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : jerry

gary glaenzer wrote i never said that you did. its nice to have it confirmed however; your total and abject surrender is accepted. your total and abject surrender hmmmmmmmmmmm im going have to think on that one for a moment as to whether you are really that childish and stupid or just plain stupid. no my reply was directed at your and a couple others continual nit-picking and word-parsing in an effort to pump yourselves up and put others down. no what you want is the little jay crowd back. for a guy that constantly jumps in complaining net nanny and spelling all the time and then to make that statement............ now that youve admitted that you cant put up maybe youll learn to keep your mouth shut-up when others offer advice. there you go again making claims without support. im still waiting for those posts that support your claim........ come on shade tree put up or shut up. then again maybe you wont and will try to salvage whats left of your ego by some more bluster. the only damage to my ego is when i think how im allowing myself to drop to the level of a maggot such as yourself. now why dont you go on out to the barn and see if the mud has dried enough that you can crawl under someones car and pretend to be transmission expert because you have failed miserable in here. you may be knowledgeable in transmissions you may be able to take them apart and maybe put them back together and without question a couple of the jay crowd tried to pawn you off as expert but expert................ not in your wildest dreams. personally i wouldnt trust you to change the oil in my lawn mower. now shade tree this one you can file away as a rip despite the fact is is really the truth. no bull tranny my ass................... jerry .

From : the guy

on 11 jan 2004 180653 gmt max340@aol.compost max340 wrote then that is what it is a loose flap. doesnt meet the criteria of a flapper valve. particularly when you have to push to make yourself look better by attempting to discredit some one else. when it comes right down to it that sort of restriction fails any description as the valves other than flapper. it certainly isnt a ball valve its not a gate valve and it has no stem seal or seat. the only valve it approximates is a flapper valve hence the words acts as a flapper valve. for one bitching about spin you sure are trying to hide the obvious here. ill give you credit for one thing you are a perfect troll. must be awful lonely in that sad little world you live in maxie. says you who has been looking for opportunity to claim things you cannot prove call names for no reason dispute info with no knowledge or worse with full knowledge that what you are saying is based on extreme technicality and semantics and nothing more. for someone who thinks they are winning you sure have an way of not only jumping through hoops but also making yourself look pretty silly in the process. as always think what ya want..... max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. max this thing is dead and gone. its not funny anymore its not cool anymore its just plain stupid. stop being stupid for once and let it die. .

From : max340

then that is what it is a loose flap. doesnt meet the criteria of a flapper valve. particularly when you have to push to make yourself look better by attempting to discredit some one else. when it comes right down to it that sort of restriction fails any description as the valves other than flapper. it certainly isnt a ball valve its not a gate valve and it has no stem seal or seat. the only valve it approximates is a flapper valve hence the words acts as a flapper valve. for one bitching about spin you sure are trying to hide the obvious here. ill give you credit for one thing you are a perfect troll. must be awful lonely in that sad little world you live in maxie. says you who has been looking for opportunity to claim things you cannot prove call names for no reason dispute info with no knowledge or worse with full knowledge that what you are saying is based on extreme technicality and semantics and nothing more. for someone who thinks they are winning you sure have an way of not only jumping through hoops but also making yourself look pretty silly in the process. as always think what ya want..... max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : roy

on 11 jan 2004 180653 gmt max340@aol.compost max340 wrote max this thing is dead and gone. its not funny anymore its not cool anymore its just plain stupid. stop being stupid for once and let it die. that post will surely quite things down. roy .

From : tbone

lol with the number of posts in here i can read them all in about 20 minutes or less and usually do it while checking my email. unlike you most people can read more than 5 words a minute. no go and continue jumping through your self made hoops making yourself look like an idiot with your dual flapper valve theory lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i read all of the posts in this ng remember saying that next time you accuse someone of not having a life. another hoop..... max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : the guy

on sun 11 jan 2004 215739 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote on 11 jan 2004 180653 gmt max340@aol.compost max340 wrote max this thing is dead and gone. its not funny anymore its not cool anymore its just plain stupid. stop being stupid for once and let it die. that post will surely quite things down. roy yeah you are right i went a little over the edge on that one. sorry. .

From : jerry

bryan.swadener@comcast.net wrote i speak for myself and i expect many others. i am sooooo t-i-r-e-d = of this thread that quickly got off-topic and then deteriorated into a = name-calling feud. on behalf of myself and others who feel this way to = those involved and you know who you are puhleeeeeze stop your = bickering and name-calling. or at least please take it out of the = group -- i/we dont want to see it and have it cause other valid = on-topic civilized discussions to be pushed off the server. thank you bryan face it bryan. everyone on the planet is an idiot asshole except you and me. and im not all that sure about you. have fun ken im not too sure about myself too! lol .

From : tbonetbone

then that is what it is a loose flap. doesnt meet the criteria of a flapper valve. particularly when you have to push to make yourself look better by attempting to discredit some one else. whats the matter maxi did jerry make you look like the complete fool that you are when it comes right down to it that sort of restriction fails any description as the valves other than flapper. it certainly isnt a ball valve its not a gate valve oh really got proof. i bet that it is more like a ball or rather gate valve then anything else. and it has no stem seal or seat. the only valve it approximates is a flapper valve hence the words acts as a flapper valve. not even close unless you can demonstrate exactly how and why the inner hose would tear this way and what is letting this hanging piece of rubber to be able to resist high pressure. you do realize that the inner hose can collapse due to a breach of the inner lining no bigger than a pinhole and if not go read a book. for one bitching about spin you sure are trying to hide the obvious here. sorry maxi but that would be you. ill give you credit for one thing you are a perfect troll. must be awful lonely in that sad little world you live in maxie. says you who has been looking for opportunity to claim things you cannot prove call names for no reason dispute info with no knowledge or worse with full knowledge that what you are saying is based on extreme technicality and semantics and nothing more. gees max talk about self descriptions or did we forget about the speed does not cause accidents thread for someone who thinks they are winning you sure have an way of not only jumping through hoops but also making yourself look pretty silly in the process. i think that you really need to take a look in the mirror here max. as always think what ya want..... as you do. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : treytbone

tell you what ...... you post a copy of my post where i challenged someones information and ill post the backup. you cant do that can you max just more of your spinning bs. you challenge garys info everytime you claim he doesnt know what he is talking about. again simple. you lost this one so bad you dug a hole to bury it in. there you go again with you spinning bs yup when you have no proof no facts and no idea what to say you fail to take your own policy/advice and shut up. think what ya want. max anvils dont kill cartoon characters cartoon characters kill cartoon characters. .

From : max340max340

max340 wrote youve cited examples of where gary explains in no uncertain terms that this is unmoderated and thus freedom of speech is the guide. a net nannie typically tries to restrict posts not open the forum. i understand how you might be confused though. since you appear to be out of excuses now as well ill let you swim in your own bullshit. you ask for proof and you got it. first you claimed you never saw him accuse people of being a net nanny. now that you have proof he is explaining something else..........you are one screwed up little man. sorry maxie i know you are good at demonstrating just how stupid you can be and your only goal is to see how long you can run a bs thread but youre gonna have to play by yourself again which im sure you are good at also. jerry .

From : max340

and the point of doing this is what there is obviously something wrong and unless you intend to keep the radiator blocked at all times to hide the symptoms of the problem doing this serves no purpose. i would probably check the thermostat first and make sure that it is functioning properly and not hung up. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving have you tried putting cardboard between the transmission cooler and the front of the radiator. if the hoses are not heating up enough then i would try the cardboard. cover about 1/2 of your radiator to start - but watch the temp very closely you dont want to overheat the engine and ruin it. i have the same problem with my 98 1500. it has me confused. i have changed the thermosat flushed the system and still not heat. the engine does not come up to temp. and the heater hoses are not hot like they should be. the upper hose is hot but should be hotter. did anyone find the problem .

From : max340max340

im just glad i didnt rely on this group for any kind of real answer. but i knew id get a true showing of your knowledge. 91 caravan 3.3 i have a leak in the fuel rail cross over o-rings. dealer says i must buy new rail. $275. can i just replace the o-rings if so how do i get the rail apart just keep driving it as is gasoline doesnt need a real good reason to catch fire. thatll solve the problem damn red i thought you would tell him to take it apart with a torch. beekeep lol i was going to tell him to keep a good supply of marshmallows in the van so when it does go up he has something to do ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .

From : tbonetbone

i dont agree with the seat belt laws either. they should be changed to if you do not wear your seatbelt in a vehicle equipped with them and dont have a medical excuse for not wearing it then you are completely responsible for any injuries regardless of whos fault it is or iow no insurance company has to pay a dime to you. then it is completely your decision and responsibility for your safety as it should be. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving metcalf@longlines.com wrote i just purchased a 2004 ram 1500. i was wondering if anyone knew how to shut up the annoying seatbelt tone i hate wearing my seatbelt but this thing dings every 10 or so seconds if it is not plugged in. any ideas -- kirk & tammy metcalf e-mail metcalf@longlines.com webpage http//www.longlines.com/kmetcalf the drivers side seat belt in my 99 rma 1500 has been fastened three times. twice when other people drove it and once when the cop wouldnt allow me to leave without fastening it. over 55000 miles and they havent scraped me off the windshield yet. seat belt laws are not for your safety. they are to increase the profits of the insurance companies by lessening the amount they have to pay out for injuries. im not suggesting that anyone should not wear the seatbelt. im just saying keep your nose the hell out of my business if i decide that i dont want to wear mine. have fun ken .

From : tbonetbone

just put a k & n air filter in my 5.9l 2002 ram. any ideas if i will see an improvement in gas mileage or other places its amazing to me the truck gets any air at all the way the intake box is setup. thanks for the info. jon .