Propane/Diesel systems
From : steveb toquerville zionvistas
Q: what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. steve -- ...the man who really counts in the world is the doer not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work even if roughly and imperfectly not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done. theodore roosevelt 1891 .
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From : roy
but we run when you have it. ^ okay!! the mob is starting to appear. wheres the old hippy and the wide ride talking about gas.g roy .
From : fmb
but we run when you have it. ^ okay!! the mob is starting to appear. wheres the old hippy and the wide ride talking about gas.g roy they may not have donned their mask in time. fmb north mexico .
From : roy
steve w. wrote the problem is that in many states propane isnt sold directly as a motor fuel so you have to make sure you pay the required road tax yourself. ill start paying the road tax on my alternative fuel as soon as the hybrid owners start paying road tax on the electricity they use to charge up their batteries. -- ken wifes toyota is recharged by the gas engine.g roy .
From : carolina watercraft works
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From : roy
roy wrote wifes toy is recharged by the gas engine.g ;^ i dont run on gasg .
From : nosey
roy wrote wifes toy is recharged by the gas engine.g ;^ .
From : steve w
geekboy wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. nope been around and in use for years. the propane mixes with the unburnt diesel in the engine and allows more complete combustion. on a basic unmolested diesel you can see 50-75 hp without any real work. the problem is that in many states propane isnt sold directly as a motor fuel so you have to make sure you pay the required road tax yourself. running at the baseline setting on most of the units around 2-3cfm of gas you will use one 20 pound tank of propane for every 2-3 tanks of diesel. -- steve w. near cooperstown new york .
From : steve w
steveb wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. steve propane on a diesel works a lot like nitrous on a gas engine. in the case of nitrous the extra oxygen from the nitrous causes the fuel to burn faster and the added fuel injected with the nitrous adds to that by increasing the cylinder pressure. in the case of propane it adds a faster burning fuel that bonds with the unburnt diesel in the engine and allows it to burn more completely. the soot and extra carbon that comes out of a diesel normally is mostly unburnt fuel. the propane makes it burn in the engine and increases power. the drawbacks are that you have an extra tank to deal with and you need to pay the highway tax on the propane. if you get carried away with it you can also create the same problem as nitrous.... bang.... -- steve w. near cooperstown new york .
From : peterd
on sat 20 sep 2008 095720 -0400 nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote by adding propane you are displacing oxygen mixture thus creating unbalanced burn hence less fuel burned. propane injection is a common power-adder trick for diesel pulling tractors. basic chemistry says otherwise. its been about 30 years since i studied any chemistry but something tells me you calculations arent correct. his basic chemistry is correct. his understanding of diesel engines is not. unbalanced burn yeah right. you sure dont want to disrupt that finicky diesel air/fuel ratio. i unbalanced the fuel/air ratio on my way home today... the funny thing is that i went faster when that happened! g .
From : roy
on fri 19 sep 2008 134529 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. not likey since just dumping more fuel into a cyclunder doe snot constitute more power. oh so larger inj. that flow more fuel dont add power so fuel boxs dont work either careful roy hes an expert... g yup hes going to rewrite the book on diesel mods .
From : nosey
by adding propane you are displacing oxygen mixture thus creating unbalanced burn hence less fuel burned. propane injection is a common power-adder trick for diesel pulling tractors. basic chemistry says otherwise. its been about 30 years since i studied any chemistry but something tells me you calculations arent correct. his basic chemistry is correct. his understanding of diesel engines is not. unbalanced burn yeah right. you sure dont want to disrupt that finicky diesel air/fuel ratio. -- the other ken .
From : napalmheart
geekboy nerdrevenge@nerdythree.net wrote in message napalmheart olsonfamnospam@iserv.net wrote in message geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote in message on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote steveb toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. not likey since just dumping more fuel into a cyclunder doe snot constitute more power. since the chemical formula for propane is c3h8 and diesel is c12h23 you can tell you are already putting more energy into the cyclinders via diesel. by adding propane you are displacing oxygen mixture thus creating unbalanced burn hence less fuel burned. propane injection is a common power-adder trick for diesel pulling tractors. basic chemistry says otherwise. its been about 30 years since i studied any chemistry but something tells me you calculations arent correct. when you see a tractor starting to bog down and lose torque then the operator hits the lp button and the tractor lifts the front tires off the ground and starts pulling hard again its obvious that the engine is making more power with the addition of propane. ken .
From : napalmheart
geekboy nerdrevenge@nerdythree.net wrote in message napalmheart olsonfamnospam@iserv.net wrote in message geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote in message on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote steveb toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. not likey since just dumping more fuel into a cyclunder doe snot constitute more power. since the chemical formula for propane is c3h8 and diesel is c12h23 you can tell you are already putting more energy into the cyclinders via diesel. by adding propane you are displacing oxygen mixture thus creating unbalanced burn hence less fuel burned. propane injection is a common power-adder trick for diesel pulling tractors. basic chemistry says otherwise. i cant help that i just know what ive seen them use. it makes a noticeable difference in the power output as has been stated comparable to nitrous with a gas engine. ken .
From : nunya
snip propane injection is a common power-adder trick for diesel pulling tractors. basic chemistry says otherwise. gee maybe you should research the topic a bit no need apparently geeks are never wrong or at least wont admit they are wrong. just because something does not fit your preconcieved notions or misinterpretation of high school chemistry does not mean it will not work. your math is assuming that a traditional diesel engine is 100% efficient. they are not but injecting propane increases the engines ability to burn more of the fuel poured on the fire. michael .
From : geekboy
on fri 19 sep 2008 111501 -0500 geekboy nerdrevenge@nerdythree.net wrote on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. not likey since just dumping more fuel into a cyclunder doe snot constitute more power. since the chemical formula for propane is c3h8 and diesel is c12h23 you can tell you are already putting more energy into the cyclinders via diesel. by adding propane you are displacing oxygen mixture thus creating unbalanced burn hence less fuel burned. propane injection is a common power-adder trick for diesel pulling tractors. basic chemistry says otherwise. gee maybe you should research the topic a bit no need .
From : peterd
on fri 19 sep 2008 134529 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. not likey since just dumping more fuel into a cyclunder doe snot constitute more power. oh so larger inj. that flow more fuel dont add power so fuel boxs dont work either careful roy hes an expert... g .
From : peterd
on fri 19 sep 2008 111501 -0500 geekboy nerdrevenge@nerdythree.net wrote on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. not likey since just dumping more fuel into a cyclunder doe snot constitute more power. since the chemical formula for propane is c3h8 and diesel is c12h23 you can tell you are already putting more energy into the cyclinders via diesel. by adding propane you are displacing oxygen mixture thus creating unbalanced burn hence less fuel burned. propane injection is a common power-adder trick for diesel pulling tractors. basic chemistry says otherwise. gee maybe you should research the topic a bit .
From : roy
on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. not likey since just dumping more fuel into a cyclunder doe snot constitute more power. oh so larger inj. that flow more fuel dont add power so fuel boxs dont work either .
From : nosey
steve w. wrote the problem is that in many states propane isnt sold directly as a motor fuel so you have to make sure you pay the required road tax yourself. ill start paying the road tax on my alternative fuel as soon as the hybrid owners start paying road tax on the electricity they use to charge up their batteries. -- ken .
From : peterd
on thu 18 sep 2008 113827 -0800 steveb toquerville@zionvistas wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. not true! given the right circumstances orgasms are possible this way... input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. well im not a real user so you can discount my advice. however friends who have these systems do report increased power similar effect to nox in a gas engine though the systems seem best for short bursts and not for continous usage. you may be better off at least initially by using other performance bossting techniques bigger exhaust for example. also consider the issues of filling that propane tank and a full propane tank wont last that long and in some areas you may be banned from some tunnels. if you do do it please preport back! let us know how well it works. steve .
From : geekboy
what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. steve -- ...the man who really counts in the world is the doer not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work even if roughly and imperfectly not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done. theodore roosevelt 1891 .
From : geekboy
on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. not likey since just dumping more fuel into a cyclunder doe snot constitute more power. since the chemical formula for propane is c3h8 and diesel is c12h23 you can tell you are already putting more energy into the cyclinders via diesel. by adding propane you are displacing oxygen mixture thus creating unbalanced burn hence less fuel burned. propane injection is a common power-adder trick for diesel pulling tractors. basic chemistry says otherwise. .
From : napalmheart
on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote steveb toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. not likey since just dumping more fuel into a cyclunder doe snot constitute more power. since the chemical formula for propane is c3h8 and diesel is c12h23 you can tell you are already putting more energy into the cyclinders via diesel. by adding propane you are displacing oxygen mixture thus creating unbalanced burn hence less fuel burned. propane injection is a common power-adder trick for diesel pulling tractors. .
From : steve lusardi
steve the only reason this is done is for power. it has the same effect as increasing the rail pressure or changing the injector size except it maybe cheaper. the down side is the loss of storage space to carry the propane tank and the additional weight. it does not increase mileage or efficiency. although you will see more miles per diesel tankful you will be consuming the propane and one offsets the other so there is no net gain. steve what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. steve -- ...the man who really counts in the world is the doer not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work even if roughly and imperfectly not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done. theodore roosevelt 1891 .
From : geekboy
on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. not likey since just dumping more fuel into a cyclunder doe snot constitute more power. since the chemical formula for propane is c3h8 and diesel is c12h23 you can tell you are already putting more energy into the cyclinders via diesel. by adding propane you are displacing oxygen mixture thus creating unbalanced burn hence less fuel burned. .
From : peterd
on thu 18 sep 2008 152823 -0500 geekboy geekboy@geeksrus.com wrote what can anyone tell me about the conversions available that add propane to diesel fuel in turbo engines i have a 06 dodge 2500 with cummins turbo. a friend of mine has a car lot. his dad is in the business of doing these conversions. of course he says mileage increases wear decreases and it will do everything but give you an orgasm. input info and experience appreciated. i googled propane/diesel conversions and there is a lot of positive information there. id just like to hear from the real users. why would anyone mix propane that has only 91000 btu/gallon of energy with diesel that has 130500 btu/gallon sounds like a scam to me. not a scam it does work... it is a way of dumping *more* fuel into the cylinders. .