Problems with 1998 Grand Voyager Check Engine Light - The saga continues
From : c e white
Q: that and a stuck on or bad brake switch. the electrical brake switches usually have two contacts on many modern cars one for the brake ights higher current and one for the cruise computer abs etc. david david burton wrote hi i have a 96 cummins diesel manual tranny truck and recently the cruise control began to refuse to engage though it turns on the abs light comes on and the ebrake light comes on. the abs and ebrake lights sometimes stay off for a while after starting up 1-10minutes but the cruise always refuses to engage. the vacuum is good and the brake pedal switch is good and properly adjusted. what else could this be ebrake switch or the clutch pedal switch would cause the cc to not engage. .
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From : c e white
thats true. many times when i walk onto a lot the 1st thing they want me to do is fill out a credit application. i tell them no. i do not fill out any application until i have agreed to buy the truck and i want to finance it through them. thats certainly good advice but i am just wondering those of you who get asked about a credit check when you first walk onto a lot do you look employed i bought my dakota two months ago and didnt get to the credit check until i had driven the truck and decided to buy it. .
From : robert hancock
next time you want to buy a vehicle find a car broker. or simply do the foot work yourself. figure out exactly what you want put together a list of the option codes and stop at the dealer and ask their best price on a straight sale. if they wont give you a price they arent worth dealing with. btw i read your post and found nothing that indicated your experience would be different in any dealer showroom. sales persons at new car dealers seem to be remarkably stupid about the product they are selling. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .
From : mike behnke
david wrote btw if they ran a credit check without your signature or an expressed verbal ok you can take them to court contact a lawyer. thats true. many times when i walk onto a lot the 1st thing they want me to do is fill out a credit application. i tell them no. i do not fill out any application until i have agreed to buy the truck and i want to finance it through them. .
From : c e white
mike behnke wrote has anybody tried testing for a leaking intake manifold gasket i replaced those - no effect. thanks for the suggestion. regards ed white .
From : c e white
how many miles are on it how often has it been really given a good road trip my 318 was acting the same way and the rings were carboned up from too many short trips that didnt fully warm up the engine. budd pig bruce wrote i have a 1973 dodge motorhome with a 413 cu in v8. the problem is that it is unreliable. it always starts easily when the engine is cold. when you drive it for 15 minutes up to an hour it just quits running. if you wait 10 minutes it will restart and run again for the same length of time. if you remove the air cleaner and look in the carb it is getting plenty of gas. if you remove a spark plug wire it is getting plenty of spark. i bought a new holley 4 barrel carb. i bought a new electric fuel pump.i bought 2 new ignition modules. i replaced the magnetic timer in the distributor. new cap and rotor new coil twice. new aluminum fuel tank and fuel lines. new ballast resistor. i moved the coil to the outside of the engine compartment. i have talked to many mechanics and they said i have done what they would have. i bought this motorhome 6 months ago so i could take my kids camping2 boys 12 and 16 years old but time is running out. please help! bruce bolton ft myers fla 239 693 2756 .
From : ronm
i have a 99 dodge ram 1500. my brake lights do not work. i have replaced the bulbs with new ones and they still dont work. the funny thing is that the bulb lights up when i turn my lights on and when i activate the turn signal. however when i push on the brake pedal the lights dont work. anybody have a cheap or do-it-yourself idea to help me i appreciate any thoughts. .
From : mic canic
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From : clare snyder on ca
on tue 15 jul 2003 163439 gmt neil nelson nonelson@sbcglobal.net wrote c. e. white cewhite3@mindspring.com wrote tbone wrote if you have the diagnostic tool why dont you just flush the codes before going to inspection becasue the obdii inspection program is not that naive. the pcm requires that a driving cycle be completed before the vehicle is ready for inspection. so far we have not been able to flush the codes and have them stayed flush before all the readiness monitors have completed their cycles. i think it is the egr cycle that takes the longest and the pcm always sets the misfire code before that cycle is completed. my scan tool is clever enough to monitor the cycles but not so clever that it can fake them out. regards ed white i think the obd2 3.0 liter mitsubishis are susceptible to carbon caked intake valves causing missfire codes. it might be worthwhile to have the intake removed and the valves and runners walnut shell blasted like iirc was necessary on some of the european imports bmw a few years ago. they are succeptible to a whole lot more than that. dropped valve guides were common in the earlier years and valve guide wear is still a problem. at about 90000km the heads on my new yorker were replaced under warranty due to a couple dropped guides. at about 190000 i had to replace the heads again due to worn guides causing oil consumption and killing the cat. new heads and cat passed emissions just fine - and again this year at 240000km. darn mitsushitty engines!!! .
From : tbone
i have a 1992 cummins 4x4.great truck but i noticed when i pull my 3400lb boat the truck seems to shudder when i go from a stop to a hill.its an automatic but its just like when you start out in second gearmanualit is in low gear though.i have tried putting it in 1st with the same effect.it has a 3.5 axle ratio.any suggestions welcome. .
From : tree
some moron in a budget rental box truck backed into my parked 97 2500hd and it was $3000 for the fender mirror bumper all covers and brackets one horn and the turn signal housing... rt well the score is now simmons 1 deer 0! on the way to the shop this am at about 520 a large doe decided to end it all. i was cooking along about 65 minding my own business btw when from out of nowhere she leapt into the path of my new ram. wham! i saw her cartwheel across the left lane and into the median and as i continued on looking in my rear view mirror she did about 20 revolutions before coming to a halt in the grass. i continued on for about two miles to the shop and pulled into the parking lot and inspected the ram. amidst a puddle of power steering fluid i saw the grille front fascia bumperleft front fender and headlight smashed. when i raised the hood i saw the remains of the condenser intercooler and trans cooler along with the bottom half of the ps pump that was missing. i havent got the estimate from our body shop yet but i reckon it will be at least $3-$4k to put the ol ram back into fighting condition. damned deer! ^ mike .
From : c e white
thats the question... what do you think will my engine live longer or run better with synthetic i .
From : c e white
i am curious about upgrading the sound quality in my 00 durango. i have the raz head unit with stock speakers. is it possible to install the infinity speakers in my durango with out much hassle i realize that the results are less than great sound wise but id like a little better punch. occasionally one can find these speakers for under $50 used. .
From : neil nelson
tbone wrote if you have the diagnostic tool why dont you just flush the codes before going to inspection becasue the obdii inspection program is not that naive. the pcm requires that a driving cycle be completed before the vehicle is ready for inspection. so far we have not been able to flush the codes and have them stayed flush before all the readiness monitors have completed their cycles. i think it is the egr cycle that takes the longest and the pcm always sets the misfire code before that cycle is completed. my scan tool is clever enough to monitor the cycles but not so clever that it can fake them out. regards ed white .
From : c e white
fred thanks for the suggestion. we ran several bottle of techron regular and valve cleaning variety through the engine. one time the light went out for a few days but came back. it turns out the engine has somewhat lower compression on cylinder #5. it has been in the shop for literally months waiting to get the valves grounds. the mechanic finally got around to taking it apart then hurricane isabel hit and brought everything to a stop. it is almost a certainty that myself and no close to me will ever buy another chrysler product - at least until my kids are old enough to make their own decisions. i think one chrysler product per generation is about all any rational family can stand. fred wrote there is product named techton or techron not sure. its made by chevron and we can get it at wal-mart here for about $6 or so. it comes in a black plastic bottle. on it it says something like concentrated formula. there are other chevron products that say they have techtron in them things like fuel injector cleaner with techron in blue bottles i think. you need the concentrated formula. its specifically designed to attack carbon and is also sold by vw and bmw dealers usually at 2 to 4 times the price. its about the best product i ever used for removing carbon from valves. you may need two treatments. must do an oil change after the 2nd treatment. search for it on the web. it may help. fred on tue 15 jul 2003 163439 gmt neil nelson nonelson@sbcglobal.net wrote c. e. white cewhite3@mindspring.com wrote tbone wrote if you have the diagnostic tool why dont you just flush the codes before going to inspection becasue the obdii inspection program is not that naive. the pcm requires that a driving cycle be completed before the vehicle is ready for inspection. so far we have not been able to flush the codes and have them stayed flush before all the readiness monitors have completed their cycles. i think it is the egr cycle that takes the longest and the pcm always sets the misfire code before that cycle is completed. my scan tool is clever enough to monitor the cycles but not so clever that it can fake them out. regards ed white i think the obd2 3.0 liter mitsubishis are susceptible to carbon caked intake valves causing missfire codes. it might be worthwhile to have the intake removed and the valves and runners walnut shell blasted like iirc was necessary on some of the european imports bmw a few years ago. they are succeptible to a whole lot more than that. dropped valve guides were common in the earlier years and valve guide wear is still a problem. at about 90000km the heads on my new yorker were replaced under warranty due to a couple dropped guides. at about 190000 i had to replace the heads again due to worn guides causing oil consumption and killing the cat. new heads and cat passed emissions just fine - and again this year at 240000km. darn mitsushitty engines!!! .
From : c e white
i thought i should let everyone know about the final resolution of the check engine light saga. in the end it was a burned exhaust valve on cylinder #5. the vehicle has been running fine for 2 months now. alls well that ends well i guess $900 fix though. ed c. e. white wrote fred thanks for the suggestion. we ran several bottle of techron regular and valve cleaning variety through the engine. one time the light went out for a few days but came back. it turns out the engine has somewhat lower compression on cylinder #5. it has been in the shop for literally months waiting to get the valves grounds. the mechanic finally got around to taking it apart then hurricane isabel hit and brought everything to a stop. it is almost a certainty that myself and no close to me will ever buy another chrysler product - at least until my kids are old enough to make their own decisions. i think one chrysler product per generation is about all any rational family can stand. fred wrote there is product named techton or techron not sure. its made by chevron and we can get it at wal-mart here for about $6 or so. it comes in a black plastic bottle. on it it says something like concentrated formula. there are other chevron products that say they have techtron in them things like fuel injector cleaner with techron in blue bottles i think. you need the concentrated formula. its specifically designed to attack carbon and is also sold by vw and bmw dealers usually at 2 to 4 times the price. its about the best product i ever used for removing carbon from valves. you may need two treatments. must do an oil change after the 2nd treatment. search for it on the web. it may help. fred on tue 15 jul 2003 163439 gmt neil nelson nonelson@sbcglobal.net wrote c. e. white cewhite3@mindspring.com wrote tbone wrote if you have the diagnostic tool why dont you just flush the codes before going to inspection becasue the obdii inspection program is not that naive. the pcm requires that a driving cycle be completed before the vehicle is ready for inspection. so far we have not been able to flush the codes and have them stayed flush before all the readiness monitors have completed their cycles. i think it is the egr cycle that takes the longest and the pcm always sets the misfire code before that cycle is completed. my scan tool is clever enough to monitor the cycles but not so clever that it can fake them out. regards ed white i think the obd2 3.0 liter mitsubishis are susceptible to carbon caked intake valves causing missfire codes. it might be worthwhile to have the intake removed and the valves and runners walnut shell blasted like iirc was necessary on some of the european imports bmw a few years ago. they are succeptible to a whole lot more than that. dropped valve guides were common in the earlier years and valve guide wear is still a problem. at about 90000km the heads on my new yorker were replaced under warranty due to a couple dropped guides. at about 190000 i had to replace the heads again due to worn guides causing oil consumption and killing the cat. new heads and cat passed emissions just fine - and again this year at 240000km. darn mitsushitty engines!!! .
From : david lesher
before i go ebay does anyone need a set of thule loadbars with foot mounts to fit a dodge caravan chrysler t&c or plymouth voyager. its well designed. the bottom of the feet fit into the factory rack track. the top then detaches for storage. you dont have to leave it on all the time. also if anyone is interested i also have a set of yakima bars with a kit for a taurus/sable and a short roofline extension. .