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Power? POWER? What about milleage?

From : thomas allemani

Q: thomas allemani wrote i got a dodge with power now im thinking or trading it for one that gets some mileage. was going to get a diesel then they raised the price of fuel another $ .50 cents a gallon. sooo no point in putting up with the associated problems in a deisel in the cold climate we have here in mn for higher priced fuel. well im thinking about a nissan titan to pull my 7800 lb tt with but have no idea what they get for pulling mileage. they say 14 to 18 mpg i suppose that is not pulling. my present dodge gets 8-8.5mpg pulling not pulling flat land mountains all the same- 8 mpg. there is much to do about chips for more power but are there any chips for more mileage i love that truck-- i hate the mileage it gets. sacrafice power for mileage in a heartbeat! any usefull advice appreicated flames ect. will be ignored thanks tom. what is your current truck year and its configuration tire size engine axle ratio and so on -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .

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From : roy

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From : big al

john kunkel wrote its pretty obvious that you know as little about clutch hydraulic systems as you do about transmission hydraulics. those schools you claim to have attended failed to instill basic concepts that any high school auto shop student learns. in my case it was learned at the school of hard knocks. . . ojt. so i had to analyze and correct usually without the aid of an instructor or even a manual. but it also meant i had to do trial and error testing and then determine the benefit or hindrance of each step. the comment was directed at max but if you want to catch it go right ahead. if youd step away from the mirror for a while youd realize that youre not the only one here with lots of in the trenches experience. i dont claim i am but marsh monster treats experience as a bad thing to have. no but i do understand the operation of a normally functioning system and in a normally functioning system the phenomenom that you claim occurs is impossible. ah in a normally functioning system . . . thats the key isnt it fyi that is not as normal an occurrence as many might think. thats the gist of it i dont think that anyone here denies that air entrappment in an already plugged up system might cause the problems you claim but your original post and subsequent posts make no mention of other problems. go back and read the thread. dont have to. i remember what i said. my mistake was in forgetting that not everyone remembers this is life reality not some textbook. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. .

From : john

steve i have done my homework correctly depending on the tire size my height change will be between 3.5 and 6.0 inches. i am running 31s stock. worst case is 265/70 at 37 but i will run either 245/70 or 2.55/70 at 34.5 and 36 respectively which is either a11.3% or 14% gear change. i have 4.10s so the effective gear change will be either 3.649 or 3.530. please remember that 3.73 is the standard dodge gear. however your word of caution will be heeded because both the wheels and tires in that size are not always round and any imbalance or eccentricity will get my undivided attention. on the fuel issue i have queried others that have made this change and the fuel savings is substantial. their stated change in consumption is far greater than im planning on. in actual fact the rolling resistance is less with the big wheels as the tire width is only slightly wider than stock but with a much harder compound. steve you may save tire wear but im betting you will use more fuel. take into account that the tires and rims are heavier than stock with the increased ride height you will have a lot more drag on the road. plus those larger tires will take more fuel to get them moving as well as your ratio change is higher than you have. you will be looking at closer to a 3.00 ratio. lower rpm isnt always a good thing. i have never seen any 22.5 tire that will give a good ride on a light weight vehicle either. hope you know a good dentist. if you have abs your going to have lots of fun getting it to work correctly with that much rubber as well. good luck. -- steve mike good question. the answer is i think so. lets assume i keep the truck for 200k miles i will save 3 sets of tires for $1000 plus say a 10% fuel savings which is 11560 gallons at 17.3 mpg verses 10526 gallons at 19 mpg with the difference being 1000 gal + at say $2.50 a gallon for about $2500. so without the cool factor the better ride the better gearing the lower stress on the motor and chassis potentially yes. but i think the key to the answer is how long will i keep the truck. steve roy that will change my 4.10s into 3.55s or 3.65s. effectively putting 70mph at 1800 rpm which will save a lot of fuel. it will make the ride smoother quieter and increase tire life to more than 200k miles. additionally it will add significantly more life to the truck. we are fortunate to have both the brakes and the suspension to handle the mod. the gm product cannot without extensive suspension changes. unfortuately it also adds 25lbs in unsprung weight at each wheel so the shock absorbers should also be changed to gas type. this change will set me back about $5000 all in though. steve steve will your payback be equal to your outlay obviously the cool factor has to fit in there somewhere though ^ mike i am going to convert my 17 wheels to 22.5 alcoas. this will increase my tire height 6. is it possible to recalibrate the speedometer 15% any help will be appreciated. steve what will that change do to your gearing roy ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-uncensored-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .

From : roy

as tom said higher numerically changing from 3.73 to 4.10 for instance would make it easier to pull a load. but at the same vehicle speed the engine would run at a higher rpm. correct me if im wrong but that would mean lower mileage. john .

From : john

john dodd wrote getting severe shimmy on my 04 2500 on the freeway going over 70 mph when hitting a bump in the road. wondering if anyone else is having this problem. i have a rancho leveling kit with 35 in. tires. knowone seems to be able to fix the problem rancho has there tecks looking into the problem. chrysler says no problems. any imput thanks jd it is the result of the lift and the tires. check alignemnt and balance and pay very close attention to front axle caster angle too. it likley needs more negative caster. top of axle tipped forward 35s is a lot of rubber to stabilze and beyond its orignal design. -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .

From : jph

i lived in new york and never plugged it in. it started fine even in freezing weather. john .

From : john

on mon 31 oct 2005 014436 gmt jerry jlrice1655@earthlink.net wrote nathan w. collier wrote i have no idea what youre referencing. do you have an online source available to show/tell me a little more about it i dont recall what they were named or called. take a look at the truck at the top of the picture here.... http//www.lancecampers.com/ . see the long shocks connecting the overhang to the front of the truck. i used to hate airbags but have since come to believe they were beneficial. please explain. all the air bags done for me was give me a harsher ride when unloaded. you can pump them up to increase payload but think about what you are really doing. they are nothing more than hard air spacers between frame and axle and nothing to cushion a rut or pot hole when you hit it hard. besides just when you dont need it they will blow in a turn or start a slow leak that you cant patch and you will be going down the road like a crab. i just didnt have any faith in them for the long haul. the springs that nosey mentioned should work well especially if you leave the camper on 24/7 but i took mine off all the time and by simply removing the four separate end shackles on the springs i was back at stock ride and the overload springs were still bolted to the axle. worked for me. air springs air lift or firestone do work reasonably well. since air is compressible you still have suspension. they work best with an onboard compressor - just like with air shocks - either the old gabriel highjacker or original equipment air assist units as supplied by chrysler for level control on vehicles like the fwd v6 new yorkers or gm on the transsports etc. this allows you do dial in the amount of suspension assist you need. the air springs carry the load directly to the frame rather than through the shock mounts like the air assist shocks level control they are connected together so a leak will allways affect both sides evenly - no crabbing whenone lets go - and because the line between them is fairly small they also add a bit of roll stiffness. ive found the air spring gives much better ride than assist springs like moog cargocoils and can maintain ride height much better than booster springs. ive since decided to fine one even with the end of my truck bed so that extending my hitch wouldnt be an issue. then the 8.5 foot or even the 9.5 foot model would work well for you. .

From : thomas allemani

on sat 29 oct 2005 184317 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote ya know i had to read this twice before realization set in that you seem to be talking from experience and are just trying to pass the fat ass off onto somebody else. for example1 if i had an atv i wouldnt need to install oversized tires and skid-plates or 2 my half ton gasser does everything i need it to do. i didnt need to get a 3/4 ton cummins to haul my ass around and 3 i didnt have to dig a hole in my backyard for a swimming pool so i wouldnt scare off the people at the public swimming holes. and i wont mention who had the pw moniker for a week. vbfg now what the hell is a rabbit who has been secrtly keeping the machine ranting about a tube of ky mac and red still have the machine out on the left coast the last i heard. i remember dale all pissed off that they wouldnt share.. denny damn things must be tough if he has to drag that old bit of mis-information up... *sigh* afaik the machine only operates on older model tractors.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : john

john wrote where in the country is gas $2.13 its more like $2.79 in arizona. its $2.06 here in oklahoma. diesel is still at $2.67 but seems to still be dropping. .

From : jerry

i have some friends in the biodiesel business. they drive vws. they say it is recommended to run at least 2% biodiesel to increase lubricity. otherwise they claim up to 100% should be ok. however i am going to read the cummins response posted by max dodge carefully. biodiesel as i understand it is using waste cooking oil from restaurants which has been processed to burn in diesel engines. not sure if it helps farmers but if recycling can be done cost effectively i am all for it. i remember when a guy would come to your house tie and weigh your papers and give you a penny a pound for them. now it is hard to get someone to take them for free. am i dating myself charles ro wrote seems we are going to get a biodiesel supplier in our area soon. i would sure rather give my money to american farmers instead of oil men and arabs. are there any reasons not to use biodiesel in a 2002 dodge ram 2500 thanks ro .

From : christopher thompson

why would anyone bother to rebild a cummins in a truck that has 300000 miles on it therefore the cost to rebuild a cummins is zero because theres no reason to do it in a truck that has 300000 miles. but in a gas powered truck by the time you reach 300000 you would be approaching your second rebuild. where in the country is gas $2.13 its more like $2.79 in arizona. john .

From : christopher thompson

i dont recall what they were named or called. take a look at the truck at the top of the picture here.... http//www.lancecampers.com/ . see the long shocks connecting the overhang to the front of the truck. gotcha thanks. i wouldnt want to drill my truck like that either. -- nathan w. collier http//inlinediesel.com http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com .

From : john

sorry it was nosey who posted the cummins response. also my friends did point out that biodiesel is not good for winter in cold climates but you should still run a min of 2% for lubricity. and i think reducing our dependance on foreign oil is always a good thing. charles charles wrote i have some friends in the biodiesel business. they drive vws. they say it is recommended to run at least 2% biodiesel to increase lubricity. otherwise they claim up to 100% should be ok. however i am going to read the cummins response posted by max dodge carefully. biodiesel as i understand it is using waste cooking oil from restaurants which has been processed to burn in diesel engines. not sure if it helps farmers but if recycling can be done cost effectively i am all for it. i remember when a guy would come to your house tie and weigh your papers and give you a penny a pound for them. now it is hard to get someone to take them for free. am i dating myself charles ro wrote seems we are going to get a biodiesel supplier in our area soon. i would sure rather give my money to american farmers instead of oil men and arabs. are there any reasons not to use biodiesel in a 2002 dodge ram 2500 thanks ro .

From : roy

had a boss that had a big slide-in on an early 70s ford half tonner. rode with him once to do some catfishing and that thing was all over the road. i resolved right there and then to not ever ride in that rig again. was he getting the truck up on plane with the front tires bouncing about 6-8 off the road .

From : max dodge

i entertained the idea of exchange this engine for a deisel probably expensive but to trade in for a new truck would be $20 to $25 thousand more. dont know if either is a good idea id check that pricing im sure your truck is worth more than $10000 and trading for used diesel might be an even better deal. anyway this truck sits idle for weeks at a time i was told that is not good for a deisel by an otr driver its fine sitting for weeks. driving short trips is the bad thing since it should warm up to be properly used. fortunately it takes about 1/2 mile and mine is putting out heat in the cab. dont know about that but if i wanted to use it it the winter u couldnt just run out and start it up after sitting unpluged for a couple of weeks so i would have to leave it pluged in for weeks not being used nope. you could plug it in the hour before you wanted to use it and be just fine. personally ive rarely plugged mine in and it starts fine even after siting a few days in cold weather. use #1/2 mix like they have here in the winter pay $1.00 a gal more for fuel that gets lower milage ect. fuel isnt a concern like it once was. lower mileage in the winter isnt a problem if you let it sit as much as you say since its only a mpg or two difference. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. .

From : greg o

no you are just blinded thats all. yeah roy the rest of us and the trucking industry in general. we all think diesels are better for hauling... except you. i drove a c70 triaxle dump in the later 70s while going to college and it had over 150k on it when drove it and it was still going strong and it had a 60k gvw too. the 70s wow roy was right you need to get some better more current info. i also knew a old man that did some part time hauling back then he was retired and had a 58 c60 single axle dump chevy with a 6 banger and a 8 speed 4x2 and he regularly hauled 8 ton of asphalt or gravel with it and did fine and it was nearly 20 years old and still stock and ran like a fine watch. yup you keep going farther back we keep mentioning the past decade... time for new info snodude. i guess these trucks got along fine without a cummins back then. you have the problem because you seem to think to tow and to last long you have to have a oil burner but that is simply not true and they are not any cheaper to drive these days either. your properly cool and maintain a gas motor it will run a very long time. yeah itll ast a long time but not as long as a diesel nor will it haul the load as well as a diesel. get a clue. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. .

From : thesnoman

and in typical fashion you reply at length to a post where i basically agree with you. whatever. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. once the master cylinder is in the retracted position the entire system is open to the reservoir any expansion of the fluid or entrapped air will merely push that volume of fluid back into the reservoir. when the clutch pedal is slightly depressed the piston covers the mc port to prevent pressure from back feeding into the reservoir. john has described exactly why there is a problem and there should be with air in the system. if for whatever reason and there are many reasons between design and real life the air does not travel back the the master cylinder it will be trapped when the mc travels past the port. if the air is trapped it doesnt matter where it is in the system it will have a negative effect on clutch operation. so what my comments were in rebuttal to budds claim that trapped air would expand with heat and cause added pressure on the to bearing it wont and in typical fashion you go into a diatribe on an unrelated side effect of air entrapment. none. by design there is supposed to be a small fraction of a inch clearance. this was seen in the mechanical systems as your pedals freeplay. when air is left in the system the air can warm up and expand causing the fingers to ride the bearing. not likely since there is no closed end to allow pressure to build. once the master cylinder is in the retracted position the entire system is open to the reservoir any expansion of the fluid or entrapped air will merely push that volume of fluid back into the reservoir. when the clutch pedal is slightly depressed the piston covers the mc port to prevent pressure from back feeding into the reservoir. .

From : mike simmons

roy wrote roy wrote but i am not using twice as much gasand i do not have to plug in my truck on cold winter nights and put 12 or 14 quarts in the crankcase and listen to the engine rattle all the time not to mention the extra 6 or 7 grand it cost too. if you like a oil burner fine if you like them but you are not saving any money with one in todays market. when you factor all the costs you are loosing money with one so it is not cheaper to drive one today. oh bullshit! list for the cummins is 5k and ya get other stuff with it. cummins will out work and out last a gas engine. cummins is 300k plus before tear down. im sure you have a chevy gasser that has 300k and is just wonderful. fuel here is 30 cents more than gas. i plug mine in at home cause the heat is nice at work when it sits for 24 hours it starts right up. the common rail is much quieter. your gasser depreciates like a rock/ iirc the return on a cummins starts at 100k. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com not likely if you service a gas engine correctly and add a engine oil cooler like the oil burner has to have it will die without one it will last about as long and when it time comes it will be a lot cheaper to fix. everyone that says how great and cheap oil burners are never factor in the cost of buy and maintaining one and now the higher cost of fuel and not to mention the the front of the truck weighs about 700 or 800 pounds more up front with a cummins in it and removes payload capacity because the gvw of a like gas truck is the same. they did not redesigned the frame and front end for that weight either and give it it own front end it is the same frame and front end that is used in a gas truck. dodge quietly replace the front axle design in 03 because of the problems they were have with front drive axle on ctd models from added weight. i run a few plow trucks and have for years and i know that i can start my gas trucks a minus 20 quickly with no heat and be on my way quickly if need be and i can shut it off anytime anywhere in any weathr and know i can restart it and i do not have to leave it banging away wasting fuel to keep it warm. i can go to a drive thru and not have to shout or turn my engine off to be heard either and nobody knows i am coming until a get there either because it is quiet and nobody knows i am in a truck when on cell phone either. again if you like them fine but cheap and lasts longer that is bs because you can rebuild a gas engine for a lot less than a cummins and just a rebuilt injector pump and injector can cost a lot more that a completely rebuilt gas motor. first time that oil burner breaks out of warranty you will pay through the nose to fix it. diesels have a place but not in my p/u and at todays fuel price they make even less sense. gas here is 2.13 and diesel is 3.34 pal from what ya posted above i have a couple of thoughts for ya. read up and get some current information. read up and get some accurate information. im sure others will correct you. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com no you are just blinded thats all. i drove a c70 triaxle dump in the later 70s while going to college and it had over 150k on it when drove it and it was still going strong and it had a 60k gvw too. okay i guess we have to go down memory lanne here. my first plow truck was a 57 chevy 2wd 3speed it had a plow that to raise you pumped up sorta like a porta power then flipped a lever and it would drop. power angle right ya pulled a pin and muscled the blade. whats my point there isnt one. the info above is meaningless to this thread as is the crap youve laid out. it is old and outdated as is your info about todays diesel. i also knew a old man that did some part time hauling back then he was retired and had a 58 c60 single axle dump chevy with a 6 banger and a 8 speed 4x2 and he regularly hauled 8 ton of asphalt or gravel with it and did fine and it was nearly 20 years old and still stock and ran like a fine watch. the guy i knew had a chain drive. todays drivetrains are better. i guess these trucks got along fine without a cummins back then. you have the problem because you seem to think to tow and to last long you have to have a oil burner but that is simply not true and they are not any cheaper to drive these days either. you really need to get out more. your properly cool and maintain a gas motor it will run a very long time. agreed but it will probably not last as long as a diesel nor will it be as cost effective. one thing you might want to get a clue about. quite a few of us here are probably older or as old as you. and have seen some of the same stuff as you. also most have played with cars trucks boats farm equipment locomotives race cars pwcatvs and much more. most have learned to try to keep up with improvements and technology. you would be well served imo to

From : max dodge

on sat 29 oct 2005 171936 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote just moved the plow out of the garage and now it is snowing. should be a helluva winter!! roy good luck!! im glad youre ready cause im not. 58 degrees around here today and im loving it. denny no way this will be plowable. i still have to come up with some compensatory weight. dont go there.g roy i guess the freight charges to get bugs there would be counter productive right bro you would be correct. the deal with transporting the friggin rabbit is the added expense of the permits and escort vhicles for the wide load. perhaps one of those catapult things you build sorry the name escapes me tr... something. maybe ya could sort of launch him this way. roy .

From : roy

roy wrote roy wrote but i am not using twice as much gasand i do not have to plug in my truck on cold winter nights and put 12 or 14 quarts in the crankcase and listen to the engine rattle all the time not to mention the extra 6 or 7 grand it cost too. if you like a oil burner fine if you like them but you are not saving any money with one in todays market. when you factor all the costs you are loosing money with one so it is not cheaper to drive one today. oh bullshit! list for the cummins is 5k and ya get other stuff with it. cummins will out work and out last a gas engine. cummins is 300k plus before tear down. im sure you have a chevy gasser that has 300k and is just wonderful. fuel here is 30 cents more than gas. i plug mine in at home cause the heat is nice at work when it sits for 24 hours it starts right up. the common rail is much quieter. your gasser depreciates like a rock/ iirc the return on a cummins starts at 100k. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com not likely if you service a gas engine correctly and add a engine oil cooler like the oil burner has to have it will die without one it will last about as long and when it time comes it will be a lot cheaper to fix. everyone that says how great and cheap oil burners are never factor in the cost of buy and maintaining one and now the higher cost of fuel and not to mention the the front of the truck weighs about 700 or 800 pounds more up front with a cummins in it and removes payload capacity because the gvw of a like gas truck is the same. they did not redesigned the frame and front end for that weight either and give it it own front end it is the same frame and front end that is used in a gas truck. dodge quietly replace the front axle design in 03 because of the problems they were have with front drive axle on ctd models from added weight. i run a few plow trucks and have for years and i know that i can start my gas trucks a minus 20 quickly with no heat and be on my way quickly if need be and i can shut it off anytime anywhere in any weathr and know i can restart it and i do not have to leave it banging away wasting fuel to keep it warm. i can go to a drive thru and not have to shout or turn my engine off to be heard either and nobody knows i am coming until a get there either because it is quiet and nobody knows i am in a truck when on cell phone either. again if you like them fine but cheap and lasts longer that is bs because you can rebuild a gas engine for a lot less than a cummins and just a rebuilt injector pump and injector can cost a lot more that a completely rebuilt gas motor. first time that oil burner breaks out of warranty you will pay through the nose to fix it. diesels have a place but not in my p/u and at todays fuel price they make even less sense. gas here is 2.13 and diesel is 3.34 pal from what ya posted above i have a couple of thoughts for ya. read up and get some current information. read up and get some accurate information. im sure others will correct you. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com no you are just blinded thats all. i drove a c70 triaxle dump in the later 70s while going to college and it had over 150k on it when drove it and it was still going strong and it had a 60k gvw too. okay i guess we have to go down memory lanne here. my first plow truck was a 57 chevy 2wd 3speed it had a plow that to raise you pumped up sorta like a porta power then flipped a lever and it would drop. power angle right ya pulled a pin and muscled the blade. whats my point there isnt one. the info above is meaningless to this thread as is the crap youve laid out. it is old and outdated as is your info about todays diesel. i also knew a old man that did some part time hauling back then he was retired and had a 58 c60 single axle dump chevy with a 6 banger and a 8 speed 4x2 and he regularly hauled 8 ton of asphalt or gravel with it and did fine and it was nearly 20 years old and still stock and ran like a fine watch. the guy i knew had a chain drive. todays drivetrains are better. i guess these trucks got along fine without a cummins back then. you have the problem because you seem to think to tow and to last long you have to have a oil burner but that is simply not true and they are not any cheaper to drive these days either. you really need to get out more. your properly cool and maintain a gas motor it will run a very long time. agreed but it will probably not last as long as a diesel nor will it be as cost effective. one thing you might want to get a clue about. quite a few of us here are probably older or as old as you. and have seen some of the same stuff as you. also most have played with cars trucks boats farm equipment locomotives race cars pwcatvs and much more. most have learned to try to keep up with improvements and technology. you would be well served imo to do

From : greg o

mock stroder mockspeed@excite.com wrote some spam reported as such. .

From : max dodge

and in typical fashion you reply at length to a post where i basically agree with you. whatever. -- max oh if you agree with me in my disagreement with budd why did you make this statement on 10/28 that agrees with budd an improperly bled system has air in it. air any gas be it air or fluid vapor can expand and contract due to temperature and thus can allpy sic a small amount of pressure over designed pressure to the throwout bearing. typical flip-flop. .

From : nathan w collier

well thanks for the replys all sorry i didnt put the details of the truck but here they are 1999 3/4 4x4 w tow/plow pakage quad cab v10. 37000mi i use it primarliy for towing my tt. dodge replaced the engine at 17000 mi at dodges expence ive had no trouble with it other than that. i run high test when pulling regular gas when not pulling like the manual says. i pull out of overdrive use od when not pulling. if i exceed 60 mph the mileage drops to 6.5 - 7mpg sometimes i dont have to get another truck just would like to get a little better mileage. ill take it that there are no chips for more mileage. i entertained the idea of exchange this engine for a deisel probably expensive but to trade in for a new truck would be $20 to $25 thousand more. dont know if either is a good idea. my goal is to get better mileage if possible. anyway this truck sits idle for weeks at a time i was told that is not good for a deisel by an otr driver dont know about that but if i wanted to use it it the winter u couldnt just run out and start it up after sitting unpluged for a couple of weeks so i would have to leave it pluged in for weeks not being used use #1/2 mix like they have here in the winter pay $1.00 a gal more for fuel that gets lower milage ect. these were the things i had been talking about as problems to deal with a deisel. but back to the point-- form what i can gather theres no way to get pronounced better mileage than what i get now it seems. i knew when i bought the v10 it was not a gas miser but gas was a lot cheaper then sniff yes i want cheese with that wine. thanks for the replys anyway people tom i got a dodge with power now im thinking or trading it for one that gets some mileage. was going to get a diesel then they raised the price of fuel another $ .50 cents a gallon. sooo no point in putting up with the associated problems in a deisel in the cold climate we have here in mn for higher priced fuel. well im thinking about a nissan titan to pull my 7800 lb tt with but have no idea what they get for pulling mileage. they say 14 to 18 mpg i suppose that is not pulling. my present dodge gets 8-8.5mpg pulling not pulling flat land mountains all the same- 8 mpg. there is much to do about chips for more power but are there any chips for more mileage i love that truck-- i hate the mileage it gets. sacrafice power for mileage in a heartbeat! any usefull advice appreicated flames ect. will be ignored thanks tom. .

From : thenewguy

nope long box. http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html nice trucks. i still like the srw ones the best just the looks of those duals is wierd to me...........but i know they serve a purpose. i like the srw as well but there are advantages both ways. i like the tire size options i have with the srw and ours is definately easier to park at the mall than our drw. the advantage of the drw comes apparent when youre towing a trailer weighing more than the truck. ive pulled our trailer with both trucks and the drw truck definately controls it better. its not that the srw doesnt control it....it just doesnt control it as good as the drw. -- nathan w. collier http//inlinediesel.com http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com .

From : roy

on sun 30 oct 2005 113629 gmt thesnoman admin@snoman.com wrote roy wrote but i am not using twice as much gasand i do not have to plug in my truck on cold winter nights and put 12 or 14 quarts in the crankcase and listen to the engine rattle all the time not to mention the extra 6 or 7 grand it cost too. if you like a oil burner fine if you like them but you are not saving any money with one in todays market. when you factor all the costs you are loosing money with one so it is not cheaper to drive one today. oh bullshit! list for the cummins is 5k and ya get other stuff with it. cummins will out work and out last a gas engine. cummins is 300k plus before tear down. im sure you have a chevy gasser that has 300k and is just wonderful. fuel here is 30 cents more than gas. i plug mine in at home cause the heat is nice at work when it sits for 24 hours it starts right up. the common rail is much quieter. your gasser depreciates like a rock/ iirc the return on a cummins starts at 100k. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com not likely if you service a gas engine correctly and add a engine oil cooler like the oil burner has to have it will die without one it will last about as long and when it time comes it will be a lot cheaper to fix. everyone that says how great and cheap oil burners are never factor in the cost of buy and maintaining one and now the higher cost of fuel and not to mention the the front of the truck weighs about 700 or 800 pounds more up front with a cummins in it and removes payload capacity because the gvw of a like gas truck is the same. they did not redesigned the frame and front end for that weight either and give it it own front end it is the same frame and front end that is used in a gas truck. dodge quietly replace the front axle design in 03 because of the problems they were have with front drive axle on ctd models from added weight. i run a few plow trucks and have for years and i know that i can start my gas trucks a minus 20 quickly with no heat and be on my way quickly if need be and i can shut it off anytime anywhere in any weathr and know i can restart it and i do not have to leave it banging away wasting fuel to keep it warm. i can go to a drive thru and not have to shout or turn my engine off to be heard either and nobody knows i am coming until a get there either because it is quiet and nobody knows i am in a truck when on cell phone either. again if you like them fine but cheap and lasts longer that is bs because you can rebuild a gas engine for a lot less than a cummins and just a rebuilt injector pump and injector can cost a lot more that a completely rebuilt gas motor. first time that oil burner breaks out of warranty you will pay through the nose to fix it. diesels have a place but not in my p/u and at todays fuel price they make even less sense. gas here is 2.13 and diesel is 3.34 good golly miss molly! people around here love a good argument and i am sure this thread still has some legs on it but....................im just hoping that you wrote the stuff above in that vein. that is that you just wrote it to keep the argument going for the fun of it........because if you are serious you are really stupid. .

From : tom lawrence

i thought red had the machine dale nah our floppy eared friend would have you believe that red or mac have it. but in reality ole furry ass has the machine. i think he has it up in the combine with him. roy .

From : cricket

loads. 100 years of history have proven this as almost no otr rigs use gasoline engines anymore. but max... all they have to do is slap some lower gears in there and that little gas motor will pull that load just fine! .

From : max dodge

seems we are going to get a biodiesel supplier in our area soon. i would sure rather give my money to american farmers instead of oil men and arabs. are there any reasons not to use biodiesel in a 2002 dodge ram 2500 thanks ro -- robert olin bobs water & septic llc jolin@whidbey.net does it perc http//books.lulu.com/content/163353 .

From : thesnoman

just an fyi max i have seen a poorly bled system cause clutch slippage.the forklift mentioned previously had been damaged in a transport accident fell off a semi and rolled down embankment near indianapolis and the bellhousing broke along with the engine brackets severe damages under the floorboards. the truck was enroute to the factory where i worked and it was three days late arriving because of the repairs. it seems they rushed the fixes to keep from losing a contract. -- budd cochran warning!!! poster still believes that intelligence logic common sense courtesy and religious beliefs are still important in our society and might include them in his posts. again you talk too much and snips will be made for brevity. w r o n g ! ! ! in order for the expanding gas to build any pressure at all it has to be in a closed system and when the clutch pedal is fully released the system is wide open any expansion in the gas will do nothing more than push fluid into the reservoir and a contraction will pull a little out. either was no measurable change in applied pressure to the bearing. this assumes a properly working system. if it has an air bubble in it its not working properly. the scenario you suggest implies that the system will bleed itself over time which is simply not true in all cases. lol as you say that depends on where the gas is. if it is in the slave cylinder or in the line close to it all the pumping in the world will have little effect unless you can pump it really fast. so fast in fact that the slave never fully returns to its rest position and in that case the additional wear is minimal. except for the extended period of time for clutch release. which would add to bearing wear. but is actuality if the pressure plate is not being moved far enough to fully release the clutch disk then the pressure being exerted by the to bearing will actually be less than it would if the system were operating properly which would also cause less wear not more on the to bearing. wrong particularly in the case of a diaphragm pressure plate where the load is higher at the beginning of clutch release than it is after full release. btw most clutches now days are the diaphragm design. now if you think that air in the line will actually cause the clutch to slip under full engagement and cause excess wear to the bearing that you really are an idiot. never said it would cause the clutch to slip under full engagement and specifically noted that it wouldnt. yet another attempt on your part to redirect attention from your erroneous bs. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. interesting that you have far more to say than is necessary so some will be snipped like it or not. and edited to suit your needs again i see lol. i am not sure that this is exactly what budd either said or meant but if you actually believe this max prove it because in reality you are dead wrong. an improperly bled system has air in it. duh no shit. thanks for pointing this out. air any gas be it air or fluid vapor can expand and contract due to temperature and thus can apply a small amount of pressure over designed pressure to the throwout bearing. w r o n g ! ! ! in order for the expanding gas to build any pressure at all it has to be in a closed system and when the clutch pedal is fully released the system is wide open any expansion in the gas will do nothing more than push fluid into the reservoir and a contraction will pull a little out. either was no measurable change in applied pressure to the bearing. in addition vapor will cause inadequate release of the clutch and thus the bearing will see much more use as the operator pumps up the system. lol as you say that depends on where the gas is. if it is in the slave cylinder or in the line close to it all the pumping in the world will have little effect unless you can pump it really fast. so fast in fact that the slave never fully returns to its rest position and in that case the additional wear is minimal. over time this will cause a higher wear rate. thats a fact and its all common sense. maybe in your world but for the rest of us in reality it is pure bs. if it wasnt true there would be no reason to properly bleed the clutch hydraulics. hahahaha you are joking right!! there is no way in hell that an improperly bled system could cause excessive wear to the bearing but it is highly probable to cause excessive wear to the clutch. i dont claim to be a hydraulics expert but there are some simple facts that seem to be completely distorted. clutch wear can only be caused by the to bearing being shoved against the fingewrs of hte pressure plate. if you are going to claim that the clutch will wear faster and it will no doubt then th

From : tom lawrence

i thought red had the machine dale gt6dnecgh5fvof7enz2dnuvzsmdnz2d@comcast.com roy roy@home.net wrote you can add a heated seat cushion with vvviiibbbrrraaatttiiinnnggg massage on your current truck for much less than the factory heated leather option. check out brookstone or similar stores. not that i know from any experience or anything..... -- ken sss advocate only thing that i can think of thats worse than heated leather seats is vibrating heated leather seats. no wonder all you old farts poke along the streets with a goofy grin on yer face. do ya all keep a tube of ky in the cupholders too vbg denny you folks have to excuse the friggin rabbit. although he knocks you not so manly folks that feel the need for leather heated leather at that. you should understand that it frustration that he does so. given that no seat maker offers a heated leather bench seat for a pick up and given that his furry wide ass is waaaayyyyy too wide to fit in a bucket seat he attacks those who have learned to stay the hell out of the refrigerator and can fit into and enjoy heated leather seats. now what the hell is a rabbit who has been secrtly keeping the machine ranting about a tube of ky gbmfg roy .

From : roy

and if you live around hear you are paying a buck more a gallon for the fuel to so you are saving nothing. you can tow well with gas motors and get resonable mpg to if you rig is geared correctly for the road. i have been towing with gas for 30 years and i have no plans of switching now and i have a friend that bought a dmax to save money on fuel but he wishes now that he had bought a gas truck because he is losing money twice on the deal price of truck and cost to operate it. diesel will always be superior to gasoline in fueling trucks that haul loads. 100 years of history have proven this as almost no otr rigs use gasoline engines anymore. as to the mpg perhaps if he had bought a real diesel and not the duramax he would be saving money. inline six design is inherently superior to the v8 for pulling loads. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. .

From : max dodge

cricket wrote jusy nosey...fuel goes *up* where you are in the winter always goes down around here just thought that was universal. huh learn something new and useful every day. hes talking about the price of diesel fuel... pretty much all cold climates see a rise in price as the demand for home heating oil goes up. used to be everything at the gas station went down pretty much parallel...of course used to be diesel was cheaper too...i havent actually looked lately. probably showing my age remembering when diesel was one pump around back maybe...; cricket last winter in ohio diesl was 40 to 60 cents more a gallon than gas for about 5 or 6 months and now it more than a buck more here i saw gas today for 2.13 and diesel for 3.29 but i have seen diesel around here for as much as 3.49/gallon. the days of cheap deisel are gone for good i fear and i heat with oil now but i may switch to propane hear because it has not skyrocketed around here and is still cheap by todays standards. ive been putting off ordering propane cause i just know im gonna cringe at the price...but i guess it could be worse i could still heat with oil... ive got a wood stove sitting outside the basement steps just waiting for me to get industrious enough to haul it down cellar and get it set up but im in winter denial...its been so freakin gorgeous that i cant get my brain around the fact its going to get cold. ive got to get it in gear...the woodstove and that nasty clunk when i engage four wheel drive...probably better do something about that too...sigh. cricket -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .

From : thesnoman

i had the same sort of clunk you are describing and although my shocks appeared to be tight i put my impact wrench to it and no more clunk. id double check those shocks. it may be another issue but with you having new shocks id suspect that area. -- laszlo almasi carolina watercraft works inc. in the battle between money and love money will always triumph i may have to change my signature......on second thought i was right the first time. i can not seem to find what is clunking in the front end. i have looked and looked. the shifter linkage update has been done. the tie rod ends do move freely. is there any chance they are the problem it sounds like bad sway bar bushings but they are tight. it only does it on bumpy roads. the truck tracks straight and does not pull. it has new shocks that are also tight. the ball joints are ok. the l-h side has a very small amount of movement. i am not really sure how to check the control arm bushings. can they cause a clunking thanks scott .

From : thesnoman

but i am not using twice as much gasand i do not have to plug in my truck on cold winter nights and put 12 or 14 quarts in the crankcase and listen to the engine rattle all the time not to mention the extra 6 or 7 grand it cost too. if you like a oil burner fine if you like them but you are not saving any money with one in todays market. when you factor all the costs you are loosing money with one so it is not cheaper to drive one today. oh bullshit! list for the cummins is 5k and ya get other stuff with it. cummins will out work and out last a gas engine. cummins is 300k plus before tear down. im sure you have a chevy gasser that has 300k and is just wonderful. fuel here is 30 cents more than gas. i plug mine in at home cause the heat is nice at work when it sits for 24 hours it starts right up. the common rail is much quieter. your gasser depreciates like a rock/ iirc the return on a cummins starts at 100k. roy ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .

From : cricket

cricket wrote jusy nosey...fuel goes *up* where you are in the winter always goes down around here just thought that was universal. huh learn something new and useful every day. hes talking about the price of diesel fuel... pretty much all cold climates see a rise in price as the demand for home heating oil goes up. used to be everything at the gas station went down pretty much parallel...of course used to be diesel was cheaper too...i havent actually looked lately. probably showing my age remembering when diesel was one pump around back maybe...; cricket last winter in ohio diesl was 40 to 60 cents more a gallon than gas for about 5 or 6 months and now it more than a buck more here i saw gas today for 2.13 and diesel for 3.29 but i have seen diesel around here for as much as 3.49/gallon. the days of cheap deisel are gone for good i fear and i heat with oil now but i may switch to propane hear because it has not skyrocketed around here and is still cheap by todays standards. -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .

From : nathan w collier

nathan w. collier wrote and if you live around hear you are paying a buck more a gallon for the fuel to so you are saving nothing. youre still saving money if you have to buy twice as much gas. you can tow well with gas motors certainly......just not as good as you can with a diesel.....especially when you bring mountains into the equation but my statement stands even on flat land. i have a friend that bought a dmax to save money on fuel but he wishes now that he had bought a gas truck because he is losing money twice on the deal price of truck and cost to operate it. your friend made a critical mistake in buying a v8 diesel. yes a v8 diesel can make just as much power/torque as an inline diesel but its going to do it at a higher rpm and its going to burn a lot more fuel doing it. but i am not using twice as much gasand i do not have to plug in my truck on cold winter nights and put 12 or 14 quarts in the crankcase and listen to the engine rattle all the time not to mention the extra 6 or 7 grand it cost too. if you like a oil burner fine if you like them but you are not saving any money with one in todays market. when you factor all the costs you are loosing money with one so it is not cheaper to drive one today. -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .

From : thesnoman

nate is yours a short box i thought the long box was made for a slide in camper. nope long box. http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html -- nathan w. collier http//inlinediesel.com http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com .

From : mike simmons

nathan w. collier wrote i got a dodge with power now im thinking or trading it for one that gets some mileage. get a diesel youll have both power and mileage. was going to get a diesel then they raised the price of fuel another $ .50 cents a gallon. so what its still cheaper than buying twice as much gasoline when loaded. well im thinking about a nissan titan to pull my 7800 lb tt i dont blame you for thinking about it but actually buying one to tow 7800 pounds would be a dumb move. have no idea what they get for pulling mileage. they say 14 to 18 mpg i suppose that is not pulling. cut that in half when towing 7800 pounds. any usefull advice appreicated rethink the diesel option. pulling nearly 10000 pounds on flat land now im getting almost 16mpg when i drive with sense. when driving in the mountains i tend to get around 15 pulling the same trailer. and if you live around hear you are paying a buck more a gallon for the fuel to so you are saving nothing. you can tow well with gas motors and get resonable mpg to if you rig is geared correctly for the road. i have been towing with gas for 30 years and i have no plans of switching now and i have a friend that bought a dmax to save money on fuel but he wishes now that he had bought a gas truck because he is losing money twice on the deal price of truck and cost to operate it. -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .

From : roy

i can not seem to find what is clunking in the front end. i have looked and looked. the shifter linkage update has been done. the tie rod ends do move freely. is there any chance they are the problem it sounds like bad sway bar bushings but they are tight. it only does it on bumpy roads. the truck tracks straight and does not pull. it has new shocks that are also tight. the ball joints are ok. the l-h side has a very small amount of movement. i am not really sure how to check the control arm bushings. can they cause a clunking thanks scott .

From : tom lawrence

suddenly without warning denny exclaimed 29-oct-05 929 pm and i wont mention who had the pw moniker for a week. vbfg shit!! id forgotten about that one! didnt i have to be good or something for a week to get rid of it bfg sorry pal as long as i remember it youre stuck with it. and if anybody wants to know what pw stands for just ask!! bfg ok ill bite! whats pw stand for jmc ole roy is gonna kill me for this. you better stick up for me when the shit hits the fan.. bg pudgy wudgy denny .

From : cricket

what is the proper way to use this do i reset the mpg computer only when i fill the tank or hit the reset button every time i go someplace. my truck is an 04 ram 1500hemi quad cab 355 gearsshortbed with 17in wheels. what should i be getting for a reading around town with the bed empty .

From : advocate

i got a dodge with power now im thinking or trading it for one that gets some mileage. was going to get a diesel then they raised the price of fuel another $ .50 cents a gallon. sooo no point in putting up with the associated problems in a deisel in the cold climate we have here in mn for higher priced fuel. well im thinking about a nissan titan to pull my 7800 lb tt with but have no idea what they get for pulling mileage. they say 14 to 18 mpg i suppose that is not pulling. my present dodge gets 8-8.5mpg pulling not pulling flat land mountains all the same- 8 mpg. there is much to do about chips for more power but are there any chips for more mileage i love that truck-- i hate the mileage it gets. sacrafice power for mileage in a heartbeat! any usefull advice appreicated flames ect. will be ignored thanks tom. im a little confused here. you have the need for a cummins then fuel goes up as it always does in the winter and now a nissan will get it done for ya what associated problems in a cold climate below zero plugging it in roy .

From : nathan w collier

i have a 2004 dodge dakota 4x4 when i put it in 4 low it takes it a second to engage almost like its slipping. 4 hi engages immediately. i took it to the dealer and the tranny guy told me that was normal. can i get input from anyone who has the same type of transmission. thanks......... .

From : roy

just moved the plow out of the garage and now it is snowing. should be a helluva winter!! roy .

From : thesnoman

you can add a heated seat cushion with vvviiibbbrrraaatttiiinnnggg massage on your current truck for much less than the factory heated leather option. check out brookstone or similar stores. not that i know from any experience or anything..... -- ken sss advocate only thing that i can think of thats worse than heated leather seats is vibrating heated leather seats. no wonder all you old farts poke along the streets with a goofy grin on yer face. do ya all keep a tube of ky in the cupholders too vbg denny you folks have to excuse the friggin rabbit. although he knocks you not so manly folks that feel the need for leather heated leather at that. you should understand that it frustration that he does so. given that no seat maker offers a heated leather bench seat for a pick up and given that his furry wide ass is waaaayyyyy too wide to fit in a bucket seat he attacks those who have learned to stay the hell out of the refrigerator and can fit into and enjoy heated leather seats. ya know i had to read this twice. getting a little slow with comprehension before realization set in that you seem to be talking from experience and are just trying to pass the fat ass off onto somebody else. for example1 if i had an atv i wouldnt need to install oversized tires and skid-plates that is undoubteedly because they cant build one for your fat ass. you in a jeep is like me on a atv. or 2 my half ton gasser does everything i need it to do. i didnt need to get a 3/4 ton cummins to haul my ass around you cant hop yer furry wide ass up into a 3/4 ton. and 3 i didnt have to dig a hole in my backyard for a swimming pool so i wouldnt scare off the people at the public swimming holes. no no no the hot tub is on the deck. the pool was at the other house. and i wont mention who had the pw moniker for a week. vbfg shit!! id forgotten about that one! didnt i have to be good or something for a week to get rid of it bfg now what the hell is a rabbit who has been secrtly keeping the machine ranting about a tube of ky mac and red still have the machine out on the left coast the last i heard. i remember dale all pissed off that they wouldnt share.. nice the way ya try to drag those two into it. i can respect that alls fair. you know the motto. roy denny .