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From : denny

Q: i got a letter today from one of the local dealers saying they are willing to pay the original msrp* manufacturers suggested retail base price for your vehicle bold in many cases unbold. *deductions will be made for equipment failure body damage reconditioning costs mileage $0.35/mile. first off i wonder what the difference is between msrp which i thought was manufacturers suggested retail price and the manufacturers suggested retail base price somehow im thinking base price is the vehicle with no options so id lose the $4000 credit for the diesel and secondly at 50000 miles are they going to dock me 35 cents a mile for a total of $17500 right off the top last time i checked book was about $14k. base price of $27k - $17.5k leaves $9.5k. hell of a deal dontcha think im starting to remember why i dont like shopping for vehicles. greg .

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From : roy

mike it seems like i owe you a big hearty thank you. since you posted those malicious comments about my weight and attire malicious perhaps but apparently true. vbg roy .

From : mike simmons

on sat 23 oct 2004 213845 -0500 greg o goo1959@hotmail.com wrote at $.35 a mile id lose $51800 right off the top! beekeep maybe they will give you a truck and give you cash for the differance! greg i think you meant he gives them cash for the difference ;- the other greg .

From : mike simmons

have you repld the sprk plugs recently if so were they the proper plugs sounds like an ignition system defect..not hot enough spark but could also be the symptom of another problem. do you have the chk eng lt on does it flashindicating an emission problem i once had a cam worn out and had to use hotter plugs to prevent carbon fouling..though this was years ago. it doesnt have egr ....all plugs are black....any suggestions...this is my last chance....sorry to post so much....thanks mike .

From : mac davis

on tue 26 oct 2004 204757 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote well somebody had better apologize for all these overweight pink rabbit jokes...... vbg denny those were jokes .

From : denny

okay just a minute!!! bullhorn squeal from feedback i apologize to mike simmons for . . . . .for . . . .uh. . . . click of off switch psst mike . . .what am i apologizing for hell i dunno.... i just figgered if everybody else was gettin an apology i wanted one.... didnt want to be left out you understand........ ^ -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. i see i should have been more specific. my apologies are specifically offered to jerry beekeeper and theguy . again i apologize gentlemen. what!! you mean i dont get an apology well..... haruuumph! ;^ mike i also offer my apologies to lurkers ive offended. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. in the past i have said things to some of you that have strained if not alienated any friendship we had or could have had. for these terrible words i am sorry. i offer no excuses for i do not know why i said those things. it could have been the onset of some of the more recent health problems . . . i dont know. it could have been problems with my medications . . i dont know and i do not offer these as excuses. i do not even expect any reply to this post and i seek none. i dont ask any of you to accept my friendship as i know i may have destroyed any chance of it and it will truly be my loss. i only offer my sincerest apologies. thank you all. -- budd .

From : mike simmons

tbone wrote i dont care who you vote for i am just curious as to why you feel it needs to be kept a secret even after the fact because that is his choice. you do understand the concept of choice rather than believe the warped ways that you do lol sure i do but choice without reason is just ignorance. i dont care who he votes for i am jut curious as to why he feels the need to keep it so secret. now since you seem to be unable to defend or even respond to the questions about the ways that you believe whos are the ones that are really warped or greedy. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mac davis

in the past i have said things to some of you that have strained if not alienated any friendship we had or could have had. for these terrible words i am sorry. i offer no excuses for i do not know why i said those things. it could have been the onset of some of the more recent health problems . . . i dont know. it could have been problems with my medications . . i dont know and i do not offer these as excuses. i do not even expect any reply to this post and i seek none. i dont ask any of you to accept my friendship as i know i may have destroyed any chance of it and it will truly be my loss. i only offer my sincerest apologies. thank you all. -- budd .

From : mike simmons

is there a chance it doesnt have one....traced vacumn diagram from front of truck...doesnt show it....passenger back behind injecter nothing...does have a place for something....has vacimn line going to fuel pump to canister....only one fuel line coming out of pump.... afterr about a hour of driving it starts missing....blowing black smoke....all plugs are black...some worse than others... thanks for all the help so far.....its sad that im too broke to just let the dodge house fix it.... .

From : mike simmons

-- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. on sun 24 oct 2004 152157 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote lol yes you did pervert. no i didnt. i said i would vote for the candidate of my choice nad it isnt your candidate. thats all i said and youre just making your syupid assumptions troll-baby. sorry budd but you did say two different things in two posts on the same thread. you told greg that you were probably not voting for bush and then in the last post said that you were liar. geez. bfd tom. at least argue about some with some substance. i think that both budd and you will vote for who you want to vote for. i think that you each may even change your mind a couple times. especially you since you are so wrong with your current candidate . i also dont think that anyone budd or you has any reason to disclose to anyone else whe you are actually voting for. lol. i would love to be able to argue or discuss something with substance but we both know that with some of the people in this group that isnt gonna happen. i dont expect anyone to disclose who they are going to vote for but some in here are obvious and what is the secret in it anyway. the secret in it is why its called a secret ballot tom. lol that says nothing at all. it is called a secret ballot because it does not involve the public raising of hands but what is the reason that people are afraid to take responsibility for who they put or try to put into office gee for someone pretending to be so intelligent you sure are a stupid idiot. what part of none of your darn business do you have trouble understanding you asked if i ever voted democrat. think on this if it isnt too much strain when i was first able to vote a democrat was elected and i was a registered democrat and every bit as zealous as you. then that democrat re-instated the draft. and you have been bitter and havent voted for a democrat since then and with your personality imagine that. ya know bonini i think jerry hit the nail on the head. your just a insecure little troll with delusions of grandeur that has to disagree with everyone in an effort to build up your withering self esteem and to do so you make absolutely rediculous unfounded and unprovable assumptions. actually checking back to verify i was in error i did vote for the opponent to richard nixon. now im older and wiser and vote for the person not the party. have i decided yes. am i telling no. and i wont tell after the election either. its simply none of your business. lol now that is complete bs. no you are a load of it. if anyone differs in their thoughts even a micron from your extreme right position you call them liberal communist. so you have called others including myself names that could easily got your nose repositioned. now why are you afraid to say who you want to run the country. what do you have to hide. btw perhaps you should respond to the threads directed at you instead of jumping in on the ones that arent. i have nothing to hide its just none of your business. and perhaps you should find a good psychiatrist to help you with your agression. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .

From : mac davis

just like you do to me suckup. i already know that you will vote right down the republican line just like every election day. reotflmbo!!!!! deluding yourself are you you think you know more than god remember one thing if nothing else when i say anything about who i will or will not vote for in a political thread it is always a joke. i never tell anyone who i really vote for outside my immediate family. fair enough. then why should i tell you youre certainly not immediate anything to me. sure i am but what does that have to do with anything. are you embarrased about your selection what is the point of keeping it secret after the fact then stop thinking of me that way perv. oh dear tommy-troll-baby . . . . always with the sexual insults. how childish . . . which is the real reason you are a troll-baby. no insult you keep calling me your baby and im beginning to wonder about you now. ive got more sense of humor in my little finger than you have had your entire life. keep dreaming. thank you i will. psychologists say its neccessary for ones mental health. then i think that you amy need a little more sleep. it really doesnt matter as when im joking you ignore that part and claim it as an admission of something deception boy. who are you trying to deceive now who are you trying to decieve yourself maybe nobody thats your speciality well second to your sucking up. youve really convinced yourself of this havent you well it explains why you cant remember the times we have agreed on anything. the funny thing is neither can you or you would have answered me. face it suckup you developed an attitude toward me from the very beginning and have either stayed out of discussions or accused me of being wrong. hell one time you provided proof that i was right in an old argument with max on the flow of voltage and when i thanked you you recanted it lol. and you wonder why i have the attitude toward you that i do. gasp!!!! you havent taken the time to learn what your chosen political choice proposes and/or supports this answers neither question like i really expected anything more from you. maybe not directly but it does show you need to look at what the liberals really stand for. now is that what they really stand for or just what you convinced yourself that they stand for. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mac davis

on sun 24 oct 2004 165217 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@fidnet.com wrote on sat 23 oct 2004 235856 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote mike it seems like i owe you a big hearty thank you. since you posted those malicious comments about my weight and attire everybody seems to be f*^%#$g with me instead of those god-awful political threads. if that is what it takes you should have done it months ago. thanks again!!! bg #2 id vote for you in your bunny suit... the white house could us a lil humor.. i can see the press corps now filming the pres in the rose garden... 2 tractors up on blocks and a target range against the security wall.. hed bring new meaning to the annual white house easter egg hunt too! ;^ mike i guess wed have to have a national easter basket huh .

From : mike simmons

i just got a new radiator cap for a 99 dakota v8 5.2l. it has a slight difference from the original cap and im confused which one is operating correctly. both caps are identical in size shape appearance etc. on the bottom and inside of both caps there is a vacuum value that opens to allow fluid from the reservoir back into the radiator when appropriate when theres vacuum created by the fluid in the radiator cooling down. the cap-head on this vacuum value is about the about size of a dime in thickness and diameter. on the original radiator cap this vacuum valve cap-head requires a very slight force say from your fingernail to pull it away from the rubber gasket whereas on the new radiator cap i bought from a dodge dealer parts dept. the vacuum valve cap-head hangs freely about 1/8 from the rubber gasket i.e. you dont have to pull it to separate it from the gasket. thinking the new cap was defective i stopped in another dealer and he showed me another cap and it did the same thing the vacuum valve cap-head hangs freely. which one is correct or am i missing something such as when heat is applied to the new cap the vacuum value cap head retracts closes and touches the rubber gasket or have i seen two defective caps from two different parts departments .

From : roy

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From : roy

roy wrote there was a report at the end of todays race that one of hendricks planes went off radar on the way to martinsville. anybody in the area have anything on the local about it http//sports.espn.go.com/rpm//storyid=1908619 .

From : carolina watercraft works inc

carolina watercraft works inc. loballeng@mindspring.com wrote in roy can you get in touch with me via e-mail please loballeng@mindspring.com done so. roy .

From : budd cochran

lol yes you did pervert. no i didnt. i said i would vote for the candidate of my choice nad it isnt your candidate. thats all i said and youre just making your syupid assumptions troll-baby. sorry budd but you did say two different things in two posts on the same thread. you told greg that you were probably not voting for bush and then in the last post said that you were liar. then you missed the humor in what i said to greg didnt you ill bet greg didnt. and who i vote for is still and always will be none of your darn business!!! remember one thing if nothing else when i say anything about who i will or will not vote for in a political thread it is always a joke. i never tell anyone who i really vote for outside my immediate family. now stop thinking of me that way! actually troll-baby which describes your actions lately quite well i think of you very little especially when im not online . . .youre simply not worth it. lol you are always thinking of me budd. rotflmbo!! please troll-baby im trying to keep my lunch down. you told greg that you were probably not voting for bush and now in the previous thread you said that you were just like i was voting for kerry. you cant have it both ways. either you were deceiving greg or you were lying to me. and you have no sense of humor do you pbk. ive got more sense of humor in my little finger than you have had your entire life. maybe i was teasing greg maybe i was teasing you only i know for sure and im not telling you. why dont you ask greg how it appeared to him it really doesnt matter as when im joking you ignore that part and claim it as an admission of something deception boy. who are you trying to deceive now who are you trying to decieve yourself maybe since you tend to lie to me all of the time ill go with the later and you are wasting your vote. you have no basis to recognize lies if the smacked you in the face since liberalism proposes there is no such thing as a lie just different truths and shades of truth. you really must learn more about what you believe before you try to defend it. please show me exactly where it states that liberalism proposes there is no such thing as a lie just different truths and then explain to me how you know exactly what i believe or is this just another deception of yours gasp!!!! you havent taken the time to learn what your chosen political choice proposes and/or supports that has to be about the dumbest thing you or anyone else could do. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .

From : denny

on sun 24 oct 2004 172405 gmt weller4@hotmail.com kate wrote i suggested that to my husband and he said its fuel injected so there are no butterflies and he recently cleaned the carburetor so thats probably not it but he appreciates the suggestion. i dont know if he knows what hes talking about because hes not a mechanic not by a long shot so..... well see. thanks for all the replies and when we find out whats going on ill post it here for anyone else whos having the same problem. i think its one of those try this and wait and see things. a fuel injected engine was what i was talking about. a fuel injected engiine has no carburetor. it has injectors and a throttle body with butterflys to control air flow to the engine. cleaning the throttle body is a 5 minute job .. 0 expense .. and it will probly solve your problem. so many garys ..so.. clyde .

From : mac davis

on fri 22 oct 2004 105526 -0400 clyde dodgemanfromhell@aol.com wrote on fri 22 oct 2004 131957 gmt joe brophy pcfixr@spiretech.com wrote on thu 21 oct 2004 185030 gmt weller4@hotmail.com kate wrote it doesnt happen every time but three times in the last six weeks. when im coasting to a stop at a light or about to turn a corner the engine just quits. we replaced the coil and thought it was fixed but it died again a few days later. someone suggested changing the battery so we did that and the check engine light went out and stayed out for a change so we thought it was alright. then it died at a light again. other than the coil or the battery can anyone suggest anything else it might be the mechanic on our last visit said the fuel line is ok but that last visit was such a hassle we cant face going back. three times in and out and the check engine light always came back on at the first stop light. im afraid to turn it over to the mechanics again. if anyone has had this happen id love to hear how you fixed it. thanks for reading and for any advice or suggestions you care to give. there should be a ecm code stored with the check engine failure that might help narrow down the probable cause if you or your mechanic dont have access to a obd-ii scanner many auto parts stores will read the codes out for you. the o2 sensor as suggested in another post is a likely suspect if it has the original installed if you want to take another good guess at it. ive got the same year durango so i am interested in what you find good luck. joe thank you for replying. we bought the little gizmo for checking the codes to see if it was the o2 sensor but without the check engine light on it doesnt show any codes. we tried so hard to get rid of that darned c.e. warning and now that we need it its not there. anyway if it comes back on well check the codes. its possible that all the coil changing and banging around under the hood fixed something silly as that sounds because that light has never stayed gone this long. its been five days and no check engine light yet. about that coil; we were told by a garage mechanic in tucson where it died the first time that we needed a coil and he directed us to an auto zone there in tucson. we bought it and put it on before heading back home. when it died the second time here at home the dodge dealers mechanic said auto zone buys the most inexpensive parts and the coils are notorious for going bad. he sold us an official dodge coil. then after it died again this last time my husband compared the auto zones coil to the one replaced by the dodge dealers coil and theyre exactly alike. both made in japan and look like clones. could also be built-up crap in the throttle body. build-up will occur just at the point where the throttle butterflys touch the sides of the tb and it shuts off the air supply when the butterflys close. remove the air cleaner and wash the crap out with carburetor cleaner. sounds stupid but the buildup becomes a real problem. i have to do it about once/year to solve the very problem that you described. i suggested that to my husband and he said its fuel injected so there are no butterflies and he recently cleaned the carburetor so thats probably not it but he appreciates the suggestion. i dont know if he knows what hes talking about because hes not a mechanic not by a long shot so..... well see. thanks for all the replies and when we find out whats going on ill post it here for anyone else whos having the same problem. i think its one of those try this and wait and see things. .