PING GARY... tranny cooler suggestions
From : redneck tookover hell
Q: a big freaken one!!!!! g maybe two !!!!! you will really like the weight distribution hitch. even on a dually with the enclosed trailer and right about 17000 lbs that hitch makes the trailer tow like its part of the truck and makes a hell of a big difference when towing over uneven road surfaces none of that wump wump wump sound that feels like you are beating everything to death but im worried about the tranny.... the deal were working includes the trailer and goodies a good torsion - equalizer hitch trailer and brake wiring.... i also want to work a tranny cooler into the price... chaos confusion and trouble!!!! my work here is almost done .
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From : gary glaenzer
because the lowest the fluid will get cooled in the radiator cooler is 210 or so hi gary plumb the two coolers in series and bypass the radiator cooler why bypass the radiator why not take the line coming out of the radiator and run it into the two coolers in series thanx for your time. gary .
From : gary glaenzer
if it were my truck a pair of tru-cool 4590s or 4454s if there is a lack of space mounted as close to the grille as far from the ac condenser as possible plumb up with hydraulic-type crimp-on fittings where the hoses meet the steel lines or run 3/8 hydralic hose all the way to the transmission plumb the two coolers in series and bypass the radiator cooler gray... we found a trailer that we want and its about 4700 pounds dry weight.... everyone says that our dak can handle it with no problem but im worried about the tranny.... the deal were working includes the trailer and goodies a good torsion - equalizer hitch trailer and brake wiring.... i also want to work a tranny cooler into the price... what would you suggest i want the rv dealer to set up all of the above so that i have one place to call if i have questions/problems 01 dakota 2wd club cab.... 4.7 w/auto 3.55 gears towing package with 16 wheels 38000 miles on it.. .
From : mac davis
on 21 sep 2003 183948 gmt mopar440@aol.comedy.biz redneck tookover hell wrote a big freaken one!!!!! g maybe two !!!!! you will really like the weight distribution hitch. even on a dually with the enclosed trailer and right about 17000 lbs that hitch makes the trailer tow like its part of the truck and makes a hell of a big difference when towing over uneven road surfaces none of that wump wump wump sound that feels like you are beating everything to death yeah thats what my friend told me also... he said to get a hitch thats at least 1 class higher than the dealer recommends so were getting the best they have... its a safety thing and a long term investment.... and as a newbie to trailer towing ill take any advantage that i can get... .
From : mac davis
on mon 22 sep 2003 003604 gmt gary glaenzer nobulltrans@mchsi.com wrote thanks gary... i printed your reply and will give the dealer a copy... if it were my truck a pair of tru-cool 4590s or 4454s if there is a lack of space mounted as close to the grille as far from the ac condenser as possible plumb up with hydraulic-type crimp-on fittings where the hoses meet the steel lines or run 3/8 hydralic hose all the way to the transmission plumb the two coolers in series and bypass the radiator cooler gray... we found a trailer that we want and its about 4700 pounds dry weight.... everyone says that our dak can handle it with no problem but im worried about the tranny.... the deal were working includes the trailer and goodies a good torsion - equalizer hitch trailer and brake wiring.... i also want to work a tranny cooler into the price... what would you suggest i want the rv dealer to set up all of the above so that i have one place to call if i have questions/problems 01 dakota 2wd club cab.... 4.7 w/auto 3.55 gears towing package with 16 wheels 38000 miles on it.. .
From : gary
hi gary plumb the two coolers in series and bypass the radiator cooler why bypass the radiator why not take the line coming out of the radiator and run it into the two coolers in series thanx for your time. gary .
From : mac davis
on wed 24 sep 2003 121728 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote my 94 had to be run a couple of miles in cold weather before it would shift to od. roy the manual from my 01 dak says that the trans shifts to od at about 30 mph after engine is at operating temp.. my service manager said that this was to avoid lugging a cold engine and had nothing to do with trans temp .
From : fmb
mac did you get it on mon 22 sep 2003 003604 gmt gary glaenzer nobulltrans@mchsi.com wrote thanks gary... i printed your reply and will give the dealer a copy... if it were my truck a pair of tru-cool 4590s or 4454s if there is a lack of space mounted as close to the grille as far from the ac condenser as possible plumb up with hydraulic-type crimp-on fittings where the hoses meet the steel lines or run 3/8 hydralic hose all the way to the transmission plumb the two coolers in series and bypass the radiator cooler gray... we found a trailer that we want and its about 4700 pounds dry weight.... everyone says that our dak can handle it with no problem but im worried about the tranny.... the deal were working includes the trailer and goodies a good torsion - equalizer hitch trailer and brake wiring.... i also want to work a tranny cooler into the price... what would you suggest i want the rv dealer to set up all of the above so that i have one place to call if i have questions/problems 01 dakota 2wd club cab.... 4.7 w/auto 3.55 gears towing package with 16 wheels 38000 miles on it.. .
From : tbonemac davismac davis
budd cochran wrote lol what happened to max anyway did i kill max max!!! where are you max im sorry i called you stupid okay 49 years old and i learned just a few days ago how a differential works. looked at a picture on a web page for a couple minutes and finally realized it after wondering forever. how ignorant is that he realized that he is wrong and is no longer able to spin his way out of it anymore. since he can never admit to error he just runs away and waits for the next opportunity to strike again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbonetbone
the reason that i give owners manual type answers is because like the engineers that wrote them i understand the physics behind what is going on unlike you and your buddy max. do you really think that i own that many service manuals. but then again you have more than demonstrated that you dont even understand the simple physics of an internal combustion engine with your exhaust gasses moving at the same speed as the intake lol. now go and cower in the corner once again like you usually do and wait for someone with a spine to say something to me so that you can spit out your senseless blabber once again about me rather than to me. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving how easily some are pacified with a mundane mantra of idiotic blather true do you think hell ever figure out that his t-bones problem with mechanics isnt in his owners manual type answers but his conception of how things work in general budd max340 wrote he realized that he is wrong and is no longer able to spin his way out of it anymore. since he can never admit to error he just runs away and waits for the next opportunity to strike again. lol max i have add and my friends dont understand look!! a chicken!!! .
From : tbone
where do you come up with this iirc that would be the temp of the water going into the radiator not coming out. are you saying that the radiator does not cool the water at all -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving because the lowest the fluid will get cooled in the radiator cooler is 210 or so hi gary plumb the two coolers in series and bypass the radiator cooler why bypass the radiator why not take the line coming out of the radiator and run it into the two coolers in series thanx for your time. gary .
From : gary glaenzer
im saying that on a steep grade engine working at max torque converter unlocked in torque multiplication full throttle; the coolant temperature will be at 210 or greater why heat the atf up just to cool it down in the air coolers where do you come up with this iirc that would be the temp of the water going into the radiator not coming out. are you saying that the radiator does not cool the water at all -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving because the lowest the fluid will get cooled in the radiator cooler is 210 or so hi gary plumb the two coolers in series and bypass the radiator cooler why bypass the radiator why not take the line coming out of the radiator and run it into the two coolers in series thanx for your time. gary .
From : fmb
on tue 23 sep 2003 025845 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote mac did you get it its been a strange process..lol started looking for a popup 2 weeks ago... then decided on a hybrid... this weekend we decided to go conventional travel trailer... is a motor home next not!! we found a 26 tahoe we like a lot... waiting on house refi to go thru so we can get it.. snip i hope your 2 weeks of investigation nets you years and years of pleasure. hope to see you in a neighboring site soon. fmb .
From : jerry
tbone wrote where do you come up with this iirc that would be the temp of the water going into the radiator not coming out. are you saying that the radiator does not cool the water at all not only that but in very cold climates the warmer water of the radiator helps keep the transmission fluid in the normal operating temperature zone. transmissions are designed to operate at a specific temperature; that being similar to the cooling system. if you bypass the radiator the transmission will never work at the proper temperature. youll get condensation and acids forming in the oil just like you would in the engine if you took out the thermostat. seems to me you have to balance between too cold and too hot. iirc someone once said in here the 47re is designed not to go into 4th gear lockup until a minimum temperature is reached. jerry .
From : tbone
im saying that on a steep grade engine working at max torque converter unlocked in torque multiplication full throttle; the coolant temperature will be at 210 or greater while this may be true we are still talking about input temps not the output and how often would the vehicle really be in this situation. if your radiator output was 210 or greater you would be overheating in a few minutes. why heat the atf up just to cool it down in the air coolers because transmissions and their fluids are designed to operate within a given range and on a cold day with little strain and just the air coolers the trans will have a hard time getting to operating temp. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : roy
tbone wrote where do you come up with this iirc that would be the temp of the water going into the radiator not coming out. are you saying that the radiator does not cool the water at all not only that but in very cold climates the warmer water of the radiator helps keep the transmission fluid in the normal operating temperature zone. transmissions are designed to operate at a specific temperature; that being similar to the cooling system. if you bypass the radiator the transmission will never work at the proper temperature. youll get condensation and acids forming in the oil just like you would in the engine if you took out the thermostat. seems to me you have to balance between too cold and too hot. iirc someone once said in here the 47re is designed not to go into 4th gear lockup until a minimum temperature is reached. jerry my 94 had to be run a couple of miles in cold weather before it would shift to od. roy .
From : roy
where do you come up with this iirc that would be the temp of the water going into the radiator not coming out. are you saying that the radiator does not cool the water at all you folks at splitting hairs imo. if the transmission is going to be worked hard it should probably have all the cooling it can get. backing up with a load can get you 280 degrees not a good thing. at 10 above i have seen 220 pushing snow with the stock transmission. personally i managed to keep the temps under control with dtt trans by adding a double deep pan. the increased capacity reduced the temp. that takes care of the winter use. summer time it is used more as a car so temps arent a problem id respectfully suggest that everybody install a temp guage in the line to the cooler and see what ya have. that might end a bunch of speculation. roy -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving because the lowest the fluid will get cooled in the radiator cooler is 210 or so hi gary plumb the two coolers in series and bypass the radiator cooler why bypass the radiator why not take the line coming out of the radiator and run it into the two coolers in series thanx for your time. gary .
From : mac davisgary glaenzer
on wed 24 sep 2003 022233 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote on tue 23 sep 2003 025845 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote mac did you get it its been a strange process..lol started looking for a popup 2 weeks ago... then decided on a hybrid... this weekend we decided to go conventional travel trailer... is a motor home next not!! we found a 26 tahoe we like a lot... waiting on house refi to go thru so we can get it.. snip i hope your 2 weeks of investigation nets you years and years of pleasure. hope to see you in a neighboring site soon. fmb thanks... i think once i get over the shit im driving a semi again thing were gonna love it.... big step up though.. and a lot of adjustment... but i think were better off getting this 26 footer now instead of trading up to it later.. .
From : gary glaenzer
im saying that on a steep grade engine working at max torque converter unlocked in torque multiplication full throttle; the coolant temperature will be at 210 or greater while this may be true we are still talking about input temps not the output and how often would the vehicle really be in this situation. if your radiator output was 210 or greater you would be overheating in a few minutes. why heat the atf up just to cool it down in the air coolers because transmissions and their fluids are designed to operate within a given range and on a cold day with little strain and just the air coolers the trans will have a hard time getting to operating temp. bottom line i have over 50 vehicles out gms fords mopars and mitubishis hyundais with radiators bypassed and external coolers only i have had zero.........zip........zilch........nyet.....nada.......nein problems from doing it this way. and as far as im concerned thats what counts. .
From : gary glaenzer
tbone wrote where do you come up with this iirc that would be the temp of the water going into the radiator not coming out. are you saying that the radiator does not cool the water at all not only that but in very cold climates the warmer water of the radiator helps keep the transmission fluid in the normal operating temperature zone. transmissions are designed to operate at a specific temperature; that being similar to the cooling system. if you bypass the radiator the transmission will never work at the proper temperature. youll get condensation and acids forming in the oil just like you would in the engine if you took out the thermostat. seems to me you have to balance between too cold and too hot. iirc someone once said in here the 47re is designed not to go into 4th gear lockup until a minimum temperature is reached. bottom line i have over 50 vehicles out gms fords mopars and mitubishis hyundais with radiators bypassed and external coolers only i have had zero.........zip........zilch........nyet.....nada.......nein problems from doing it this way. and as far as im concerned thats what counts. .
From : redneck tookover hell
you know that water in the radiator is under pressure you do know what effect putting pressure on water in the radiator does to the boiling point and how long do you think it takes to start baking seals producing varnish inside a transmission at elevated temps i have seen a racing powerglide with all aftermarket parts completely ruined by by powerbraking it against the convertor for 10 seconds on the starting line ten seconds ! the temp goes up 100 degrees a second in that instance i am surprised you guys havent told him to run it back through the radiator after it comes out of the coolers thatll solve all your fears about cold tranny fluid while this may be true we are still talking about input temps not the output and how often would the vehicle really be in this situation. if your radiator output was 210 or greater you would be overheating in a few minutes. chaos confusion and trouble!!!! my work here is almost done .
From : budd cochranjerry
im on lortabs for surgery pain and it didnt make sense to me either. budd redneck tookover hell wrote were wondering what the hell you are babbling about and what drugs you took this morning short throttle shifters are all the rage with modern day muscle cars. i wonder what the truck guys out there think. truck transmissions for the dirt with a short body how does that change your driving style in the mud. chaos confusion and trouble!!!! my work here is almost done .
From : jerry
mac davis wrote on wed 24 sep 2003 121728 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote my 94 had to be run a couple of miles in cold weather before it would shift to od. roy the manual from my 01 dak says that the trans shifts to od at about 30 mph after engine is at operating temp.. my service manager said that this was to avoid lugging a cold engine and had nothing to do with trans temp mac you might ask him why chrysler had a tsb out a few years back on some models that required a bypass valve be installed on the transmission which allowed the fluid to bypass the cooler until it reached a certain temperature. the bypass was because in very cold climates the transmission shifted very hard or wouldnt shift at all until the fluid reached a certain temperature. looking through some of the sites recommended by atrb automatic transmissions rebuilders association everyone one of them recommends running a additional cooler in series with the original cooler. jerry .
From : gary glaenzer
on wed 24 sep 2003 121728 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote my 94 had to be run a couple of miles in cold weather before it would shift to od. roy the manual from my 01 dak says that the trans shifts to od at about 30 mph after engine is at operating temp.. my service manager said that this was to avoid lugging a cold engine and had nothing to do with trans temp not only that but.............the trans temp that you see on a scanner is actually engine coolant temperature............... .