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From : denny

Q: hello everyone. sorry for cross posting - the other group looks still sleeping i did some googling to no avail. 1992 dodge caravan 3.0 mitsub. engine. i have removed all the bolts holding the oil pan in place after removing all the darn engine mounting brackets of course but the darn pan wont come off. i am afraid damaging the pan sealing surface by being rough with it. i am hoping there may be a better and more professional way to remove it. originally some one probably repair shop used reddish rtv of some kind so now the pan is feels like glued to engine. thank you for any hint in advance. mike .

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From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

my 04.5 is getting 13-15 on the highway. its a standard cab 4x4. are you driving at 80mph sometimes al .

From : tbone

comments4u wrote with job cuts announced on both sides of the atlantic its clear daimler-chrysler is serious about cutting the fat. even more it has announced plans for increased production at the currently hot chrysler unit without additional workers. that is truely cutting the fat. but observers wonder if daimler-chrysler has really identified all its fat. no. its about getting america off its lardy ass and competing at world standard productivity levels. compete or die. the world is hungry for jobs and theres no space for lazy weaklings. graham why is it that toyota is building more factories in the u.s. and making tons of money at its u.s. factories. the toyota plant here in indiana had to add on before it 1st year was up and is still is running at 100% capacity. i think its the uaw that is costing americans jobs. uaw needs to roll over and take from gm ford and chrysler. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

yep btdt. i had a 66 honda cb-160 back when i hardly cast a shadow that i rode down to a barbershop in a small town in in about every week he still charged only $0.75 / haircut and cross winds could make the pegs kiss the pavement at times. it was a good thing that bike was such a good handling machine or i could have been on my but many a time. budd on thu 26 jan 2006 125426 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote i know youll find this hard to believe but last summer i saw a big ol goldwing with a old 8 scamper camping trailer on back. yeah it had ca plates on the trailer . . . . .i had to look. i guess they figured if it would hook to the ball it could tow it. . . . . .next year theyre gonna put 5th wheel hitches on them if youve ever rode bikes imagine that contraption in a crosswind . . . . . . budd might keep it on the road... ive been on some high passes in cross winds where youre leaning over so far you wonder if youll fall over if the wind stops.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : denny

heres a followup to a post from earlier this month. ...the front 4 plugs and each was covered in fluid. i held a match to one of the wet plugs to see if it would burn and it didnt. i guess the mechanic was right when he said that the engine had a blown head gasket and the plugs were wet with coolant. i may be wrong but should your oil not be milky and frothy if there is coolant in it you didnt mention seeing that rach .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

now really how much longer is the cab of the mega cab over the previous dr crew cabs -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango on thu 26 jan 2006 104115 -0700 henry ammons henryammons@hotmail.com wrote i look around the web every so often wondering if there will be a long bed mega cab--anyone have any to share or have you seen anything id love a cummins-powered long bed mega cab. thank you. would it be hinged in he middle for turns mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

check out this british video http//www.exn.ca/video/video=exn20040414-towbike.asx budd yabbut does it have heated leather seats mike now mike youre not talking to that eastern wabbit you should say that correctly . . .try again . . .yea budd !!!!! yea budd!!! does a goldwing come with heated seats i ride american brands now and real riders dont need them. just ask beekeeper. budd eastern wabbit just stuff a couple of warm rabbits up your pants falling apart at the gut rach yep hes an eastern wabbit short ears short tail fat belly short . . . .. .nose as compared to these jackwabbits out here in the west with the long ears and all that. had a kitten run up a pant leg back when i was ten . . . .thought id die of massive cat scratch fever. ya see back then in indiana it was hot and muggy in the summer time so we didnt usually wear any bvds . . . . . . budd .

From : roy

yea but that puts you back with that tiny box in the back doesnt it *grin* yup! roy -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango 20 of extra cab sheesh! and mine barely fits a 25 foot garage. the wheelbase is the same as the crew cab. itll fit. roy -chris 05 ctd 99 durango now really how much longer is the cab of the mega cab over the previous dr crew cabs 20 .

From : roy

yea but that puts you back with that tiny box in the back doesnt it *grin* -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango 20 of extra cab sheesh! and mine barely fits a 25 foot garage. the wheelbase is the same as the crew cab. itll fit. roy -chris 05 ctd 99 durango now really how much longer is the cab of the mega cab over the previous dr crew cabs 20 .

From : roy

on thu 26 jan 2006 145307 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote thats only the wood part.. https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/ is the main page... move mouse pointer over the pictures there.. link on the left for trebs.. it is working for me now bro. those are old pics though. get the new ones up! roy damn... i didnt know my fan base was so umm... broad.. *eg* bro do i detect acheap shot there i happen to have a good memory unlike the more aged folks that hang out here.vbg roy mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on thu 26 jan 2006 104115 -0700 henry ammons henryammons@hotmail.com wrote i look around the web every so often wondering if there will be a long bed mega cab--anyone have any to share or have you seen anything id love a cummins-powered long bed mega cab. thank you. would it be hinged in he middle for turns mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on thu 26 jan 2006 124415 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote bout time someone did . . . . . . vbg budd but she only knew about 1 or 2 budd.. *eg* i only expect jesus to walk on unfrozen water. bg women just make us men try to do it to impress them. . . .im still trying to do it for my bride. besides youre from ca . . .nobody wants to know what goes on in ca . . . . wink wink ;^ budd .

From : mac davis

on thu 26 jan 2006 125426 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote i know youll find this hard to believe but last summer i saw a big ol goldwing with a old 8 scamper camping trailer on back. yeah it had ca plates on the trailer . . . . .i had to look. i guess they figured if it would hook to the ball it could tow it. . . . . .next year theyre gonna put 5th wheel hitches on them if youve ever rode bikes imagine that contraption in a crosswind . . . . . . budd might keep it on the road... ive been on some high passes in cross winds where youre leaning over so far you wonder if youll fall over if the wind stops.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on thu 26 jan 2006 145307 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote thats only the wood part.. https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/ is the main page... move mouse pointer over the pictures there.. link on the left for trebs.. it is working for me now bro. those are old pics though. get the new ones up! roy damn... i didnt know my fan base was so umm... broad.. *eg* mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on thu 26 jan 2006 115220 -0500 rachel easson rske@sympatico.ca wrote well thats why i gave you the redneck translation. besides it dont sound so sissy-fied either duz-it budd gotta tell you i am still working on my french but communicate ok but up in the gatineaus quebec many of the locals speak no english and their accents are really thick not like ottawa/hull. believe me when they speak they dont sound like sissys! one of my neighbours built like an ox was asking me for a time-- he pointed at an envelope and i thought he wanted the date and no a full minute of laughing and sign language later i discovered he meant a stamp timbre tambrhhh -- yes you have to drive 7 miles for one of those. i joked with him i could learn algonquin like that! rach were going through the same thing.. my wife is in her 2nd year of spanish class as we gear up to move to mexico.. interesting point that she made the other day was that the work espouso which ive probably spelled wrong has 2 meanings wife and hand cuffs... they must be kinda kinky down there.. *g* mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on thu 26 jan 2006 124326 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote he moved back in a couple of months ago and hasnt done shit.. takes him 3 steps to haul ass and then only if its on fire.. great argument for birth control.. well if hes of legal age you can charge room and board just like anyone else. one of my sons quit a job and started acting like we owed him and i looked him in the eye and told him either/or. . . either get a job or i get an eviction paper for him. he got a job. budd this one thinks that hes really smart and were dumber than a box of rocks... he had a job within a week of moving here but quit it after 3 weeks because he wasnt getting quality time with us... hes moving to vegas soon and will be his girl friends problem for a while.. looking back with 20-20 hindsight maybe i shouldnt have stopped his brothers from kicking his ass all those times... might have been a reality check.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on thu 26 jan 2006 124415 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote bout time someone did . . . . . . vbg budd but she only knew about 1 or 2 budd.. *eg* on wed 25 jan 2006 175514 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote try clicking on the back to mac link in the upper left hand corner. it doesnt look like a link but it is and all the stuff you are looking for is there. i did wouldnt work. it does now.. rachel pointed out the error of my ways... mac please remove splinters before emailing mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : tbone

check out this british video http//www.exn.ca/video/video=exn20040414-towbike.asx budd .

From : roy

on thu 26 jan 2006 084912 -0800 mac davis mac.davis@splinters.comcast.net wrote my guess though i dont know shit about snow or plowing is that they were looking more at the rv market with the mega thing.. seems like a lot of money for a truck youre going to plow snow with.. im not even sure they were looking at the rv market with the megacab. it has a shortbed box on it which means if you go with a full sized fiver youd have to spend the extra bux for a sliding fifth wheel hitch. greg .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on wed 25 jan 2006 125411 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote hey bro!!!! just went through your home page and ya left out a couple of pictures. a picture of those things ya use to make that i can never think of the name of. the things for chucking tribect or something. and a picture of the gray haired pony tailed old man. bfg roy thats only the wood part.. https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/ is the main page... move mouse pointer over the pictures there.. link on the left for trebs.. it is working for me now bro. those are old pics though. get the new ones up! roy mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : rachel easson

i look around the web every so often wondering if there will be a long bed mega cab--anyone have any to share or have you seen anything id love a cummins-powered long bed mega cab. thank you. .

From : mac davis

on wed 25 jan 2006 175514 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote try clicking on the back to mac link in the upper left hand corner. it doesnt look like a link but it is and all the stuff you are looking for is there. i did wouldnt work. it does now.. rachel pointed out the error of my ways... mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : roy

i actually love my 01 2500 qc for plowing...and no scratches at all if youre careful. the guys i contract for up north have fords and when it comes to the heavy stuff...they actually move out of my way since they cant compete when it comes to the heavy stuff. as for a van....id expect huge blind spots and thatd be more of a problem than anything else. laszlo almasi sure -- i agree -- a point had come up about trying to make an all purpose work truck -- contracting vehicle expected to carry crew tools install shelves and put a rack on top if you like and expect it to plow as well and it will not maneuver like a short box reg cab dodge 4x4 and the blind spots are much bigger. i guess as some of you point out climates are too diverse in n.am. -- i expect other ideas but... i think there is a market if the contractor-owner can only write off one truck or write off lease payments which is maybe where the marketers are going with it but imnsho i agree that if the vehicle is expected to plow full time you may want a different contracting truck -- even an unlicenced wheelbarrow for the property that may not even need brakes -- only hauls turns pulls turns pushes turns there is no question about a short body 4x4 and height to see. i still think if you need something to carry tools and crew and materials too their i have had 3 long box cargo vans over the years and visibility is not bad -- my first vehicle i ever had was a 72 gmc long box ex-refrigeration van w. motor on its way out but still good for light work $375 cdn + needed one tie rod for safety -- had those rear mirrors you see on fed-ex trucks on one so i could parallel park with about 5-6 extra feet -- awesome visibility -- long wheelbase so turning still poor of course -- of course if a van is not modified to 4x4 you do not want to go off the road unless snow is light and you have posi rear or crew that dont mind pushing grn -- good for clearing a straight road or light snow as you are driving it with crew and tools like small contractors might need in one all purpose truck i think i would have at least two older trucks for the business and if i had the money for a brand new one id buy a toy -- forget the crew and the tools -- they could drive one of the beaters - and if mom needs to drive the kids around she can throw a cap on the box and throw the kids in the box bfg rach .

From : mac davis

for a while cheap-labour countries have an advantage but this erodes with time. taiwan-to-mainland china shift is one example. at first simple machinery is produced at low prices then the prices rise as the quality rises. internationally-sourced components cost the same everywhere. and then there is the question of efficiency. a worker may get only a dollar a day but how efficient is the production set-up there are many factors... in my well-to-do area of west london i was out for a walk this evening and made a point of looking for skodas and seats all made by the vw group. none. but loads and loads of vw and audi-labelled cars. yet you can buy a skoda equivalent for a lot less money. skodas are made in a state-of the-art factory in the czech republic a country with a noble industrial history in the pre-communist era. and yet the brand has no cachet except for contrarians. yes in western europe the annual holiday times are long compared to usa and japan but there is pressure to reduce them or at least get the weekly hours up at same weekly pay i.e. unit pay cut. das for direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- ... although this is not a new story it is relevant http//.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/southasia/3564275.stm huw .

From : mac davis

on mon 30 jan 2006 212955 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote if that is your beginning stuff then i am even more impressed. i made a bowl once in high school woodshop and it came out pretty good. i was impressed anyway and my mother still has it displayed on the china cabinet. someday i would like to get a lathe but i really need to get my shop put together first raised floor. i got my new toy almost a month ago and still have yet to put it together a grizzly cabinet saw. when you collect some pictures of you more recent work let me know. the lathe is so much easier than flat work... no measuring angles tight joints worrying if everything is square etc.. whatever you turn is cool and if you throw a 30 second coat of friction polish on it you get all the ooos and ahhhs that flat work gets.. *g* did you look at chucks page where i show him my screw-ups and ask him what to do next *g* https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/chuck.htm mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

clyde n19346@humboldt1.com wrote in just wondering if dodge van owners have had problems with the roof rusting out seems like my daughters 2002 van had a problem and mine now is rusting. clyde the roof was the first part to rust on my 1992 van full size utility van. the paint was flaking off in small chipstoo. rob .

From : tbone

is the extended cab model still available you mean a quad cab yes with a cummins and plow. i was actually talking about the one with the half sized back doors but even the model with the half-sized rear doors was called a quad cab. starting in 03 or 02 for the 1500s that body style was discontinued and the new quad cab was the four-door all-open-the-same-way model. still plow. i havent seen this new model yet does the mega-cab actually hold more people than the crew cab or does it just have more room for the same number of passengers luxury version more room. its the same frame as the quad-cab longbed model. they stretched the cab 20 and only offer it with a short bed thereby keeping the same 160 wheelbase. so dodge now has three cab choices and two bed choices for a total of five body configurations regular cab sb/lb quad cab sb/lb and mega cab sb only. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

well though i would ramble a bit -- talking about what is a truck designed to do and who is the market... we have such a diverse climate in n.am. my pre-able to my ramble ;- when i worked up north in thompson manitoba where they gave me $7.50 cdn northern allowance per day just to live there salaries are about 30% higher the windows are mostly triple glazed the northern lights are coloured and the weather is often around -40 c or f you walk if you can because it might be quicker. you dont care what you drive as long as you can get it started it will warm up and not leave you stranded -- and rust is not a problem -- the snow is light and dry as styrofoam and so is the air. people leave their cars running when they go to the mall and many are unlocked my thoughts on dodges lineup if were thinking design -- yes i am ready for abuse -- so sling some my way laughing and grinning here is my northern rural female pt-o-view i also did salesperson support sales mgt. reports and photo-sales for auto/truck cheap sales magazines for a while up here in canada eh -- checked out the dodge site and found lots of link flaws since i last visited if i were deciding on models i would make less car models and i think the stratus is very boring.i would --- buy the challenger -- absolutely beautiful --- keep the viper --- the caliber looks interestesing --- why need a neon with cheaper caliber .. how about even smaller neon -- 2 seater to park where only bikes fit cheaper -- lawnmower engine cheap parts no options --- the super bee is impressive but i would rather have an original --- srt4 dont know -- not my type --- 1500 and 25/3500 keep of course but decide what they are for minivans have been on their way out here for a while i am biased -- i hate minivans and no one here seems to be able to drive one --- i always thought the magnum looked too minivan for my liking but it holds up to 8 people maybe it should be a bit taller and take over the minivan model which holds up to 7 -- was it supposed to be a high performance car or a minivan the durango looks way tooooooooooo minivan for an suv -- modify it -- or was it supposed to be a minivan see marketed at home depot loading a mattress and frame add 6.1-liter srt hemi smpi v8 engine as in magnum or are they getting rid of it for the cherokee ---build an econo 4x4 stable 2pass. with opt. crewcab fold down seats & hatchback -- for the younger croud those with rough terrain commuting and cottage country types like an econo wrangler-liberty but better than a sidekick and optional soft top/hard top or moon roof/t-roof but not wrangler size. they have no small trucks left -- build a smaller dakota -- more like older models sorry newer dakota owners -- i suspect price is the issue here so keep options to a minimum -- but maybe the srt10 is taking over...yes keep srt10 for us with lots of snow and salt in winter how about making an option an more expensive vehicles and 4x4s for undercarriages exposed cables etc. wheel wells lower sections of body with metal specially fabricated for rust prevention lastly i can only find dimensional specs on the sprinter -- is it actually a shed about 9-10 models rach .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

bout time someone did . . . . . . vbg budd on wed 25 jan 2006 175514 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote try clicking on the back to mac link in the upper left hand corner. it doesnt look like a link but it is and all the stuff you are looking for is there. i did wouldnt work. it does now.. rachel pointed out the error of my ways... mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on wed 25 jan 2006 171255 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote didnt work for me either but from the looks of things mac makes the kid do the work the slave driver. budd i wish... he moved back in a couple of months ago and hasnt done shit.. takes him 3 steps to haul ass and then only if its on fire.. great argument for birth control.. well if hes of legal age you can charge room and board just like anyone else. one of my sons quit a job and started acting like we owed him and i looked him in the eye and told him either/or. . . either get a job or i get an eviction paper for him. he got a job. budd mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : rachel easson

on wed 25 jan 2006 132717 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote was out with a friend looking at the new mega cabs. what a damn disappointment. a suppoosedly hd 4x4 truck that you cant put a plow on if you get the cummins engine. so on a truck with the msrp over $54k the front end is so marginal that it cant handle a snow plow that will cost dc some customers. i know my friend is going looking at ford and i dont blame him. roy i havent seen it yet.. is it as big/roomy as the f-250 it is huge in the back seat. my guess though i dont know shit about snow or plowing is that they were looking more at the rv market with the mega thing.. seems like a lot of money for a truck youre going to plow snow with.. seems like a lot of money for a 4x4 truck you cant plow snow with. here is what you folks may be missing. you can plow with the mega cab but with the gas engine only!! that is what has folks around here questioning the strength of the truck. last time i was at the sealer they had a standard cab 2500 hd with the cummins for about $30k... seems like more of what youd use some use the standard cab. my 2k was. but it is nice to get dual use out of a truck especially at the price of the mega cab. my quad cab gives me that 4 doors seating for a couple of more people or a place to put stuff that is secure a 6 foot bed that the atv will fit in and a cummins under the hood. it dosent really matter what is behind the drivers seat when plowing snow. it can be a 8 foot bed or a dump body. the diesel is real important. bro wasnt yelling at you just making a point in general. roy .

From : tbone

well thats why i gave you the redneck translation. besides it dont sound so sissy-fied either duz-it budd gotta tell you i am still working on my french but communicate ok but up in the gatineaus quebec many of the locals speak no english and their accents are really thick not like ottawa/hull. believe me when they speak they dont sound like sissys! one of my neighbours built like an ox was asking me for a time-- he pointed at an envelope and i thought he wanted the date and no a full minute of laughing and sign language later i discovered he meant a stamp timbre tambrhhh -- yes you have to drive 7 miles for one of those. i joked with him i could learn algonquin like that! rach .

From : mac davis

is the extended cab model still available you mean a quad cab yes with a cummins and plow. i was actually talking about the one with the half sized back doors but even the model with the half-sized rear doors was called a quad cab. starting in 03 or 02 for the 1500s that body style was discontinued and the new quad cab was the four-door all-open-the-same-way model. ok thanks tom. i was going by what ford and gm seem to be doing. my buddy has a f350 extended cab which has the half sized doors in back and iirc they also make a crew cab that has full sized rear doors. i thought dodge was doing the same thing. i have no need for an extended or crew cab so i dont pay much attention to them. still plow. i havent seen this new model yet does the mega-cab actually hold more people than the crew cab or does it just have more room for the same number of passengers luxury version more room. its the same frame as the quad-cab longbed model. they stretched the cab 20 and only offer it with a short bed thereby keeping the same 160 wheelbase. this goes along the line i was saying to roy. it looks like this mega-cab is set up as their luxury pickup not a work truck. http//www.dodge.com/autoshow//megacab.html when you read the description in here it is obvious where this truck is targeted and althouhg it is still capable of doing work when needed it is more geared to family and comfort. so dodge now has three cab choices and two bed choices for a total of five body configurations regular cab sb/lb quad cab sb/lb and mega cab sb only. iow a work truck a work truck / family hauler and a luxury car that can work. i bet the main reason the diesel is offered in this model is to be able to offer a power plant that can do better than 10 mpg lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mac davis

on wed 25 jan 2006 132717 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote was out with a friend looking at the new mega cabs. what a damn disappointment. a suppoosedly hd 4x4 truck that you cant put a plow on if you get the cummins engine. so on a truck with the msrp over $54k the front end is so marginal that it cant handle a snow plow that will cost dc some customers. i know my friend is going looking at ford and i dont blame him. roy i havent seen it yet.. is it as big/roomy as the f-250 my guess though i dont know shit about snow or plowing is that they were looking more at the rv market with the mega thing.. seems like a lot of money for a truck youre going to plow snow with.. last time i was at the sealer they had a standard cab 2500 hd with the cummins for about $30k... seems like more of what youd use mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on wed 25 jan 2006 130850 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote snip for 36 years only 16 months to go i hope. damn... you start when you were 12 i was 22. talk about a generation gap. damn! i thought i was the old fart here! nah that doesnt happen in the railroad industry at least where i am. ya get hurt on the job often enough. this was a screw up and a embarassment on my part. roy well at least when someone asks what you do for the railroad you can say that you kind of run things.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on wed 25 jan 2006 125541 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on tue 24 jan 2006 234939 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote snip rachel i know youre new around here but ive seen ole roy. they dont make casts that big... vbg denny he hurt his ankle bugs not his ass.. friggin jackals!! they are all gathering. roy hey bro.. when a line that good is laying there its gotta be some kind of sin to not grab it.. *g* mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on wed 25 jan 2006 171255 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote didnt work for me either but from the looks of things mac makes the kid do the work the slave driver. budd i wish... he moved back in a couple of months ago and hasnt done shit.. takes him 3 steps to haul ass and then only if its on fire.. great argument for birth control.. try clicking on the back to mac link in the upper left hand corner. it doesnt look like a link but it is and all the stuff you are looking for is there. i did wouldnt work. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on wed 25 jan 2006 121232 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote well thats why i gave you the redneck translation. besides it dont sound so sissy-fied either duz-it budd hey budd... i think in roys neck of the woods they use them to throw old chevys into cranberry bogs.. trebuchets in french roy . . .or in redneckese punkin chuckers. thank you. sue knows all that stuff not me. roy budd on tue 24 jan 2006 150657 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote snip had the x-rays done nothing broken but a hell of a lot of bruising. they were curious as to the metal that showed up in the pics. some things just never go away eh bro.. yeah ive set off a few metal detectors.. lol now i have a elastic brace deal and instructions to stay home and keep my foot up for the rest of the week. hmmmmm.. wonder if i can sneak to the range and go through a few hundred rounds.vbg roy only if its a long gun and you use your foot instead of a sand bag.. *g* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm hey bro!!!! just went through your home page and ya left out a couple of pictures. a picture of those things ya use to make that i can never think of the name of. the things for chucking tribect or something. and a picture of the gray haired pony tailed old man. bfg roy mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : denny

i got a concrete floor that the top layer on concrete maybe 1/4 thick has flaked off over the last few years. the largest spot is maybe the size of a basketball and the underlaying concrete seems to be very solid. i see that quickcrete has a cleaner to remove the accumulated grease/oil a bonding agent to make it stick better and a vinyl concrete overlayment mix that you just add water and trowel it on.. am i on the right track boy do i have some ideas if you have the cash -- have some wishlist items in a bookmark folder for my basement and garage when i build one to consider while you have a coat to put down or after you repair if the whole floor is still wet #1 two guys garage floor http//www.twoguysgarage.com/ their floor under sponsors link is http//www.ucoatit.com/ #2 repair and hydrostatic leakage protection in one with chemical and radon protection http//www.xypex.com/about/qa.html and http//www.xypex.com/products/restoratop.html #3 great sealants http//www.mcgrattan.com/aboutjamiemcgrattansproduc/flooringsandcoatings/flooringsandcoatings.html #4 http//www.sanitred.com/lrbqualities.htm happy hunting! rach .

From : roy

then its gotta be related to the suspension id think. if thats all it is then the next year or so will be ok to mount. or...maybe aftermarket suspension upgrades will be the ticket. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ice angels are you kidding me not in the least. what is it that prevents a plow from being mounted dunno probably the same bs when they started with the quad cab. couldnt put a plow with the cummins with them either for the first year or so. im thinking that the front axle once again is too light. you can put a plow on with the gas engine. figure the gas is about 3-4 hundred pounds lighter. i was actually thinking this would be my next truck....but i require plow mounting. a lot of people were. it is a shame i can plow with my 2500 quad cab with a cummins but with a 1 ton truck ya cant. ive a friend that has a 03 crew cab with a cummins with a 9 foot fisher on it no problem. same wheel base as the mega but it is a no go. roy -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ice angels was out with a friend looking at the new mega cabs. what a damn disappointment. a suppoosedly hd 4x4 truck that you cant put a plow on if you get the cummins engine. so on a truck with the msrp over $54k the front end is so marginal that it cant handle a snow plow that will cost dc some customers. i know my friend is going looking at ford and i dont blame him. roy .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

are you kidding me what is it that prevents a plow from being mounted i was actually thinking this would be my next truck....but i require plow mounting. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ice angels was out with a friend looking at the new mega cabs. what a damn disappointment. a suppoosedly hd 4x4 truck that you cant put a plow on if you get the cummins engine. so on a truck with the msrp over $54k the front end is so marginal that it cant handle a snow plow that will cost dc some customers. i know my friend is going looking at ford and i dont blame him. roy .

From : roy

on tue 24 jan 2006 123420 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote work yup you know the place where ya go and hang out for 8+ hours a day and they give ya moneynever enough to pay bills and buy toys i think i remember that... been self employed so long that time cards and things are just an old nightmare.... i thought you did the railroad thing... for 36 years only 16 months to go i hope. damn... you start when you were 12 i was 22. talk about a generation gap. here i am with a couple of other new guys all of us back from nam poney tail beards and a go fuck yourself attitude. all of us had family there but we were a shock to a real conservative uptight workplace. but it all turned out well. we had a couple of the older guys shareing a bone with us after a couple of months. that was a real change in a industry where alcohol was a real problem. now you dont see or hear of anything being abused random d&a testing is a good thing at times. how hard can it be to put your feet up on a desk it didnt work out that way last night. everything that could go wrong did. anyway i was on my feet all night and found by the end of the night i couldnt get up into a locomotive without a bunch of pain. it was real puffy this morning it may be more screwed up than i first thought. so this afternoon im going to get it x rayed and see what the doc has to say sue has been after me since it happened to get some pics taken so she will be happy. damn you must of banged your ankle getting in and out of those locos huh sounds like a comp claim coming up.. *g* nah that doesnt happen in the railroad industry at least where i am. ya get hurt on the job often enough. this was a screw up and a embarassment on my part. roy mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

hi guys! lol on the ot! this is not too ot but then roy actually was really asking about his garage floor i think ;- oh sorry roy it was denny looking for abuse! anyway i posted this week on our local ott.forsale.vehicles for a 85-88 p-u chrysler manual and had in mind about $50 cdn whats that 25 cents us -- and no something came up and i cant pick up the o2 sensor until more money comes in so i still have an old truck that wants to go to pasture this guy has the 1987 chrysler original service manuals....3 books weighing over 7 lbs. and says i recently ordered the service manuals for my chevrolet venture van and they cost me over $250. new and how much can i pay for all 3 poor guy -- did his wife make him buy it i would like to get them if i can. i am wondering if $100 cdn is fair or not i really hadnt though about getting them all but since i have two 86s in decent shape and may get a parts one for the current parts one and have a mostly 82 4x4 for which i have one 81 chrysler manual and a 74 4x4 parts truck and am likely to stay with these trucks until they become one i really should buy them all. i do ramble dont i... according to yesterdays conversions this is $87 usd any help is much appreciated rachel .

From : roy

well thats why i gave you the redneck translation. besides it dont sound so sissy-fied either duz-it budd trebuchets in french roy . . .or in redneckese punkin chuckers. thank you. sue knows all that stuff not me. roy budd on tue 24 jan 2006 150657 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote snip had the x-rays done nothing broken but a hell of a lot of bruising. they were curious as to the metal that showed up in the pics. some things just never go away eh bro.. yeah ive set off a few metal detectors.. lol now i have a elastic brace deal and instructions to stay home and keep my foot up for the rest of the week. hmmmmm.. wonder if i can sneak to the range and go through a few hundred rounds.vbg roy only if its a long gun and you use your foot instead of a sand bag.. *g* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm hey bro!!!! just went through your home page and ya left out a couple of pictures. a picture of those things ya use to make that i can never think of the name of. the things for chucking tribect or something. and a picture of the gray haired pony tailed old man. bfg roy .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

trebuchets in french roy . . .or in redneckese punkin chuckers. thank you. sue knows all that stuff not me. roy budd on tue 24 jan 2006 150657 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote snip had the x-rays done nothing broken but a hell of a lot of bruising. they were curious as to the metal that showed up in the pics. some things just never go away eh bro.. yeah ive set off a few metal detectors.. lol now i have a elastic brace deal and instructions to stay home and keep my foot up for the rest of the week. hmmmmm.. wonder if i can sneak to the range and go through a few hundred rounds.vbg roy only if its a long gun and you use your foot instead of a sand bag.. *g* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm hey bro!!!! just went through your home page and ya left out a couple of pictures. a picture of those things ya use to make that i can never think of the name of. the things for chucking tribect or something. and a picture of the gray haired pony tailed old man. bfg roy .

From : roy

was out with a friend looking at the new mega cabs. what a damn disappointment. a suppoosedly hd 4x4 truck that you cant put a plow on if you get the cummins engine. so on a truck with the msrp over $54k the front end is so marginal that it cant handle a snow plow that will cost dc some customers. i know my friend is going looking at ford and i dont blame him. roy .

From : roy

trebuchets in french roy . . .or in redneckese punkin chuckers. budd on tue 24 jan 2006 150657 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote snip had the x-rays done nothing broken but a hell of a lot of bruising. they were curious as to the metal that showed up in the pics. some things just never go away eh bro.. yeah ive set off a few metal detectors.. lol now i have a elastic brace deal and instructions to stay home and keep my foot up for the rest of the week. hmmmmm.. wonder if i can sneak to the range and go through a few hundred rounds.vbg roy only if its a long gun and you use your foot instead of a sand bag.. *g* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm hey bro!!!! just went through your home page and ya left out a couple of pictures. a picture of those things ya use to make that i can never think of the name of. the things for chucking tribect or something. and a picture of the gray haired pony tailed old man. bfg roy .

From : roy

on tue 24 jan 2006 234939 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote snip rachel i know youre new around here but ive seen ole roy. they dont make casts that big... vbg denny he hurt his ankle bugs not his ass.. friggin jackals!! they are all gathering. roy mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

ask the autoparts store. theyre probably the same part number. buy one. trial and error. or replace both. -rev .

From : mac davis

on tue 24 jan 2006 234939 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote snip rachel i know youre new around here but ive seen ole roy. they dont make casts that big... vbg denny he hurt his ankle bugs not his ass.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

thats right . . . .at max output they couldnt penetrate . . . but they did toast a couple cheese sandwiches. budd on tue 24 jan 2006 214825 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote naw they didnt hurt me brain a bit . . .they hit my head. budd xrays of his head reveal nothing... hey roy im on your side. when i suggested landing on something soft i argued with myself for ten minutes before suggesting denny. the other choice was for you to land on your head but since i lost the argument . . . damn!! the more they come the worse they get!! the argument isnt all ya lost. remember those repeated impacts they have certainly taken their toll! bfg roy budd ..this afternoon im going to get it x rayed and see what the doc has to say sue has been after me since it happened to get some pics taken so she will be happy. roy good idea sue ;- -- i figured a somewhat black ankle could be normal for a tear so took me three days until my leg started going cold and i went for pics and found out i fractured my leg below the knee and broke it clean off at the ankle -- actually breaks can take less time to heal than tears so try not worry. if you need a cast try to get an air cast -- they are much lighter dont cost much and you can open them up a bit to let the leg/ankle breathe and gently rub at the scum with a cloth or even get in the bath take the cast off and soak it if you are allowed best of luck its not fun either way rach rachel i know youre new around here but ive seen ole roy. they dont make casts that big... vbg denny yup! there aint enuf plaster in paris...... or rome........or seattle....... or geneva....... or berlin........ or boston......... hell you get the idea..... ;^ mike hmmmmm.... seems to be a tag team from the seat boys. the wide seat and the heated girly seat. vbg roy mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

hi guys! lol on the ot! this is not too ot but then roy actually was really asking about his garage floor i think ;- anyway i posted this week on our local ott.forsale.vehicles for a 85-88 p-u chrysler manual and had in mind about $50 cdn whats that 25 cents us -- and no something came up and i cant pick up the o2 sensor until more money comes in so i still have an old truck that wants to go to pasture this guy has the 1987 chrysler original service manuals....3 books weighing over 7 lbs. and says i recently ordered the service manuals for my chevrolet venture van and they cost me over $250. new and how much can i pay for all 3 poor guy -- did his wife make him buy it i would like to get them if i can. i am wondering if $100 cdn is fair or not i really hadnt though about getting them all but since i have two 86s in decent shape and may get a parts one for the current parts one and have a mostly 82 4x4 for which i have one 81 chrysler manual and a 74 4x4 parts truck and am likely to stay with these trucks until they become one i really should buy them all. i do ramble dont i... according to yesterdays conversions this is $87 usd any help is much appreciated rachel .

From : roy

on tue 24 jan 2006 123420 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote work yup you know the place where ya go and hang out for 8+ hours a day and they give ya moneynever enough to pay bills and buy toys i think i remember that... been self employed so long that time cards and things are just an old nightmare.... i thought you did the railroad thing... for 36 years only 16 months to go i hope. damn... you start when you were 12 how hard can it be to put your feet up on a desk it didnt work out that way last night. everything that could go wrong did. anyway i was on my feet all night and found by the end of the night i couldnt get up into a locomotive without a bunch of pain. it was real puffy this morning it may be more screwed up than i first thought. so this afternoon im going to get it x rayed and see what the doc has to say sue has been after me since it happened to get some pics taken so she will be happy. damn you must of banged your ankle getting in and out of those locos huh sounds like a comp claim coming up.. *g* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : denny

i have a 1998 dodge ram 1500 slt laramie 4x4 5.9v8. i recently upgraded my rims from 16 inch to 17 inch. do i have to adjust my speedo and if i do how can i diy it depends... did the overall tire diameter increase if not or if the increase was less than 5% ie. 30 tire up to a 31 then i wouldnt worry about it. otherwise you can either have the dealership program a new tire size into the computer or you can use an aftermarket device such as the superlift truspeed http//www.4wheelerssupply.com/catalog/productinfo.php/productsid/1762 .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

..this afternoon im going to get it x rayed and see what the doc has to say sue has been after me since it happened to get some pics taken so she will be happy. roy good idea sue ;- -- i figured a somewhat black ankle could be normal for a tear so took me three days until my leg started going cold and i went for pics and found out i fractured my leg below the knee and broke it clean off at the ankle -- actually breaks can take less time to heal than tears so try not worry. if you need a cast try to get an air cast -- they are much lighter dont cost much and you can open them up a bit to let the leg/ankle breathe and gently rub at the scum with a cloth or even get in the bath take the cast off and soak it if you are allowed best of luck its not fun either way rach rachel i know youre new around here but ive seen ole roy. they dont make casts that big... vbg denny .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

hey roy im on your side. when i suggested landing on something soft i argued with myself for ten minutes before suggesting denny. the other choice was for you to land on your head but since i lost the argument . . . damn!! the more they come the worse they get!! the argument isnt all ya lost. remember those repeated impacts they have certainly taken their toll! bfg roy budd ..this afternoon im going to get it x rayed and see what the doc has to say sue has been after me since it happened to get some pics taken so she will be happy. roy good idea sue ;- -- i figured a somewhat black ankle could be normal for a tear so took me three days until my leg started going cold and i went for pics and found out i fractured my leg below the knee and broke it clean off at the ankle -- actually breaks can take less time to heal than tears so try not worry. if you need a cast try to get an air cast -- they are much lighter dont cost much and you can open them up a bit to let the leg/ankle breathe and gently rub at the scum with a cloth or even get in the bath take the cast off and soak it if you are allowed best of luck its not fun either way rach rachel i know youre new around here but ive seen ole roy. they dont make casts that big... vbg denny yup! there aint enuf plaster in paris...... or rome........or seattle....... or geneva....... or berlin........ or boston......... hell you get the idea..... ;^ mike hmmmmm.... seems to be a tag team from the seat boys. the wide seat and the heated girly seat. vbg roy .

From : roy

stuff your lies where the sun dont shine. budd it is not an argument budd it is simple facts and you are wrong this time. btw how is it that you scream and cry when you think that somebody is criticizing what you prefer to drive but it seems to be perfectly ok for you to do it back i dont expect an answer nor am i trying to start an argument just something for you to think about. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving stuff it tom all youre trying to do is argue and i wont. budd .

From : roy

hey roy im on your side. when i suggested landing on something soft i argued with myself for ten minutes before suggesting denny. the other choice was for you to land on your head but since i lost the argument . . . budd ..this afternoon im going to get it x rayed and see what the doc has to say sue has been after me since it happened to get some pics taken so she will be happy. roy good idea sue ;- -- i figured a somewhat black ankle could be normal for a tear so took me three days until my leg started going cold and i went for pics and found out i fractured my leg below the knee and broke it clean off at the ankle -- actually breaks can take less time to heal than tears so try not worry. if you need a cast try to get an air cast -- they are much lighter dont cost much and you can open them up a bit to let the leg/ankle breathe and gently rub at the scum with a cloth or even get in the bath take the cast off and soak it if you are allowed best of luck its not fun either way rach rachel i know youre new around here but ive seen ole roy. they dont make casts that big... vbg denny yup! there aint enuf plaster in paris...... or rome........or seattle....... or geneva....... or berlin........ or boston......... hell you get the idea..... ;^ mike hmmmmm.... seems to be a tag team from the seat boys. the wide seat and the heated girly seat. vbg roy .

From : denny

like a wide assed rabbit attacks a guy when hes injured.g wait a minute! thats my rule good shot fur face!! gbmfg gotta take the shot when it presents itself... got snow got about two inches and yer wife says thats about it.bfg gotta take the shot when it presents itself... of slush about wed or thurs of last week and it was gone the next day when it got back in the 50s. good thing i got the springfield for christmas!! supposed to be some this weekend of course the weather guys said that last week too. roy denny roy denny .

From : roy

budd cochran wrote i got for you i would not want to be in that car in any crash because ive seen a few similar cars after accidents and that four star and five starratings crap fails in the real world at impact speeds over 35. good grief dont you listen to your local about all the people getting clobbered in those five star rated vehicles what did the cars look like when you saw them crumpled if so then they were probably doing what they were designed to do and minimizing the force of the impact by compressing. the important thing is not what the cars looked like but how the passengers made out. crumpled yeah a little. how about needing a set of jaws to get the bodies out sheesh. yes i do watch and read the local . what surprises me is the videos of some horrific looking accidents that people just walk away from. that didnt happen in my younger days. wanna bet ive got three friends that walked away from a head-on at 60 in a 54 caddy. just the other day they showed a lady driving a small import that was rear ended by an inattentive utility truck driver. she was stopped on the interstate. the back of the car was crumpled to the point that there was nothing sticking out of the back of the car past the top of the rear roofline. the driver and her baby in the infant seat which was in the back seat were unharmed except for some scrapes and didnt even need hospital treatment. they were lucky yes but what was that impact speed again sounds to me like it was a lot less than the 45 i got hit at. most of the motor vehicle fatalities that we hear about in this area are from people running off the road and being ejected from the vehicle because they didnt wear a seat belt. how about this one 1972 franklin indiana two guys both three sheets to the wind install a grant steering wheel on the 69 charger 440 magnum / 4-speed one of them owns. they over-tighten the shaft nut now remember that part ok and then after a few beers more decide to make a fast run down to bean blossom to pick up some shine from a cousin according to a neighbor. three miles out of town the steering wheel comes off at an estimated 140 mph. the car leaves the road over a 30 embankment and begins an end for end tumble. both occupants were ejected one hits a telephone pole and snapped his neck the other flew head first into a concrete corner post in the field. the car tumbled end for end 18 times and landed on its roof. the engine and trans ejected as designed by mopar under the car and did not intrude in the passenger compartment. the trunks and sub frame collapsed enough during the tumbles to put a 180 bend in the spring mainleaf. the radiator support was wrapped around the remains of the wiper motor. the steering shaft and housing was bent down at the firewall. the roof caved in 3. and if the two occupants one being a second cousin of mine had been strapped in the probably would have walked away. . . .since the doors still opened and closed. i didnt believe it either but i went with my first cousin to see the car and i opened the doors myself. yes they would still be alive if they had used the seatbelts but that car according to your experts failed the 35 mph crash tests which shoves the steering wheel into the drivers face. but at 140 the passenger compartment remains intact . . . . . seems like the only fatal collisions we hear about are those head-on collisions that happen on 2 lane roads with a closing speed of 120 plus mph or the high speed intersection impacts that occur during police chases or running red lights. duh! those conditions just like when i got rear ended are outside the test envelopes...you know the kinds of situations ive been talking about. its simple kinetic force. stand an empty soda can your crush zone up and smash it with another soda can . . .and you get a certain amount of damage. stand another can up and smash it with a sledgehammer . . . .your crush zone just flattened out and the bench just got most of the force. so much for that 35 mph rating system. lets see; an empty aluminum can vs a sledgehammer. i guess this would be equivalent to a 4000 pound car being struck by a planet i dont think your valiant would survive that. the valiant weighed in at 3100 curb weight the caddy was 5400 at the curb. the analogy chosen was to give a dramatic example that would be easy to visualize. as a further comparison a 55 grain .223 bullet traveling at 3000 ft/sec will easily drop a 1500 pound elk . . .its the kinetic energy folks. the cans would flatten just as much if the collision speed were increased as that increases the kinetic energy. now repeat the experiment with a couple pieces of 4 diameter 0.125 wall tubing with plates welded on the ends. . . . . now try a different test. place an empty soda can on the bench put your hand on top and then place another empty soda can on t

From : roy

it is not an argument budd it is simple facts and you are wrong this time. btw how is it that you scream and cry when you think that somebody is criticizing what you prefer to drive but it seems to be perfectly ok for you to do it back i dont expect an answer nor am i trying to start an argument just something for you to think about. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving stuff it tom all youre trying to do is argue and i wont. budd .

From : roy

..this afternoon im going to get it x rayed and see what the doc has to say sue has been after me since it happened to get some pics taken so she will be happy. roy good idea sue ;- -- i figured a somewhat black ankle could be normal for a tear so took me three days until my leg started going cold and i went for pics and found out i fractured my leg below the knee and broke it clean off at the ankle -- actually breaks can take less time to heal than tears so try not worry. if you need a cast try to get an air cast -- they are much lighter dont cost much and you can open them up a bit to let the leg/ankle breathe and gently rub at the scum with a cloth or even get in the bath take the cast off and soak it if you are allowed best of luck its not fun either way rach rachel i know youre new around here but ive seen ole roy. they dont make casts that big... vbg denny yup! there aint enuf plaster in paris...... or rome........or seattle....... or geneva....... or berlin........ or boston......... hell you get the idea..... ;^ mike .

From : denny

just goes to show you shoulda landed on something soft . . . . and dennys never around when you need him . . . denny is very round! roy . . . . wait-a-minit . . . .when the pink fuzzy bunny is around you never see denny . . . . budd ..this afternoon im going to get it x rayed and see what the doc has to say sue has been after me since it happened to get some pics taken so she will be happy. roy good idea sue ;- -- i figured a somewhat black ankle could be normal for a tear so took me three days until my leg started going cold and i went for pics and found out i fractured my leg below the knee and broke it clean off at the ankle -- actually breaks can take less time to heal than tears so try not worry. if you need a cast try to get an air cast -- they are much lighter dont cost much and you can open them up a bit to let the leg/ankle breathe and gently rub at the scum with a cloth or even get in the bath take the cast off and soak it if you are allowed best of luck its not fun either way rach had the x-rays done nothing broken but a hell of a lot of bruising. they were curious as to the metal that showed up in the pics. some things just never go away eh bro.. now i have a elastic brace deal and instructions to stay home and keep my foot up for the rest of the week. hmmmmm.. wonder if i can sneak to the range and go through a few hundred rounds.vbg roy .

From : denny

..this afternoon im going to get it x rayed and see what the doc has to say sue has been after me since it happened to get some pics taken so she will be happy. roy good idea sue ;- -- i figured a somewhat black ankle could be normal for a tear so took me three days until my leg started going cold and i went for pics and found out i fractured my leg below the knee and broke it clean off at the ankle -- actually breaks can take less time to heal than tears so try not worry. if you need a cast try to get an air cast -- they are much lighter dont cost much and you can open them up a bit to let the leg/ankle breathe and gently rub at the scum with a cloth or even get in the bath take the cast off and soak it if you are allowed best of luck its not fun either way rach rachel i know youre new around here but ive seen ole roy. they dont make casts that big... vbg like a wide assed rabbit attacks a guy when hes injured.g wait a minute! thats my rule good shot fur face!! gbmfg got snow roy denny .

From : mike simmons

budd cochran wrote i got for you i would not want to be in that car in any crash because ive seen a few similar cars after accidents and that four star and five starratings crap fails in the real world at impact speeds over 35. good grief dont you listen to your local about all the people getting clobbered in those five star rated vehicles what did the cars look like when you saw them crumpled if so then they were probably doing what they were designed to do and minimizing the force of the impact by compressing. the important thing is not what the cars looked like but how the passengers made out. yes i do watch and read the local . what surprises me is the videos of some horrific looking accidents that people just walk away from. that didnt happen in my younger days. just the other day they showed a lady driving a small import that was rear ended by an inattentive utility truck driver. she was stopped on the interstate. the back of the car was crumpled to the point that there was nothing sticking out of the back of the car past the top of the rear roofline. the driver and her baby in the infant seat which was in the back seat were unharmed except for some scrapes and didnt even need hospital treatment. most of the motor vehicle fatalities that we hear about in this area are from people running off the road and being ejected from the vehicle because they didnt wear a seat belt. seems like the only fatal collisions we hear about are those head-on collisions that happen on 2 lane roads with a closing speed of 120 plus mph or the high speed intersection impacts that occur during police chases or running red lights. its simple kinetic force. stand an empty soda can your crush zone up and smash it with another soda can . . .and you get a certain amount of damage. stand another can up and smash it with a sledgehammer . . . .your crush zone just flattened out and the bench just got most of the force. so much for that 35 mph rating system. lets see; an empty aluminum can vs a sledgehammer. i guess this would be equivalent to a 4000 pound car being struck by a planet i dont think your valiant would survive that. the cans would flatten just as much if the collision speed were increased as that increases the kinetic energy. now repeat the experiment with a couple pieces of 4 diameter 0.125 wall tubing with plates welded on the ends. . . . . now try a different test. place an empty soda can on the bench put your hand on top and then place another empty soda can on top of your hand. drop a bowling ball on top of the top can. ouch! after that place a solid cylinder the size of a soda can on the bench put your hand on top and then place another solid cylinder the size of a soda can on top of your hand. drop a bowling ball on top of the top cylinder. double ouch! now which test do you think would hurt the most not that i expect you to do that but i think you can visualize that one test will hurt more than the other test although they would both be painful. the empty cans allows the force of the impact to slow down and dissipate over the length of the cans reducing the force of the impact. with the solid cylinders your hand is the only thing dissipating the force of the impact. yep low speed impact bounces off that is not where the most deaths / injuries occur but the cylinder now absorbs more of the sledgehammers impact. yeah that tough old valiant withstood hitting a mule deer doe a full size standard poodle a little larger than a german shepard and being hit by a 81 caddy. . . and i never got a scratch. im not disputing that old cars could take a beating. i was driving a 73 torino wagon that got t-boned by an old mack tow truck that was towing a fully loaded grain truck thats why he lost his brakes and couldnt stop at his stop sign. fortunately some swerving on both our parts lessened the impact and he hit on the pillar between the front and rear doors. if he had impacted the center of the doors i believe the penetration into the torino would have been much worse. having lived through that if i was to be involved in a head on collision with another vehicle or a frontal collision with an immovable or stopped object i would prefer to be in a new car than to be behind the wheel of that torino. of course we all have our own opinions of what is better and we have to be the ones that live with our decisions. i prefer new cars over old for safety. jph .

From : roy

stuff it tom all youre trying to do is argue and i wont. budd where did i say it was rated for side impact read it again; i said if i had been in my lebaron i would have been dead ... yet the lebaron has side impact beams. they might stop an angry bumblebee . . . . once again you utter complete bs. how do you know that you would have died. why didnt the people in the caddie which did have a front crumple zone die then as for the side impact beams i bet it would do every bit as well as your god like valiant. i got for you i would not want to be in that car in any crash because ive seen a few similar cars after accidents and that four star and five starratings crap fails in the real world at impact speeds over 35. you really do make yourself look ignorant when you spew out crap like this. i worked in a wrecking yard for about 2 years just out of high school and saw a lot of cars from the late 60s and 70s come in and although many of them didnt look all that bad a high percentage of them had serious injuries and / or deaths related to the accident that sent them to us. why do you think that was budd good grief dont you listen to your local about all the people getting clobbered in those five star rated vehicles it was no different back then either except for the possible fact that there were less accidents due to less cars being on the road and people being less in a rush to get everywhere. percentage wise cars are safer than ever. did you ever read the book called unsafe at any speed perhaps you should. its simple kinetic force. which you simply dont seem to understand. stand an empty soda can your crush zone up and smash it with another soda can . . .and you get a certain amount of damage. stand another can up and smash it with a sledgehammer . . . .your crush zone just flattened out and the bench just got most of the force. so much for that 35 mph rating system. this is just about the dumbest example from you that i have seen. comparing a sledge hammer to a soda can is about the same as comparing your valiant to a freight train. the fact is that if you did take a measurement of force against the bench from the hammer blow both with and without the soda can you will see a reduction in force with the can which indicates that crumple zones do work but like anything there are limits to what they can do and protect you from. the cans would flatten just as much if the collision speed were increased as that increases the kinetic energy. yes budd once you reach somethings limits increasing the force still further will produce similar results. and your point is now repeat the experiment with a couple pieces of 4 diameter 0.125 wall tubing with plates welded on the ends. . . . . yea now the bench gets hit with the full force of the blow because the pipe you created transfers the full force and absorbs next to nothing. yep low speed impact bounces off that is not where the most deaths / injuries occur but the cylinder now absorbs more of the sledgehammers impact. you once again show that you dont know wtf you are talking about. in order for the cylinder to absorb any of the force it would have to either compress or collapse otherwise all it can do it is either reflect the force back and / or transfer it to other objects. now for a real test lay your cylinder on its side and place an egg against it then hit the other side of the cylinder with something with an increasing force until the egg breaks. then place another egg in front of a soda can and hit it with the same force that caused the egg to break with your cylinder and see what happens. i bet that it survives. yeah that tough old valiant withstood hitting a mule deer doe a full size standard poodle a little larger than a german shepard and being hit by a 81 caddy. . . and i never got a scratch. big deal none of the above was anything major and your lebaron would have protected you just as well. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : rachel easson

friends i have a 1996 ram 4x4 1500 pu slt 5.9l 75k. i have had a small antifreeze leak for quite a while. it was never enough to leave a spot on the ground but i would occasionally get a whiff when i got out of the truck and would have to top off the reservoir every once and a while. yesterday there was a small pool on the ground and it used a third of the reservoir in a day. please forgive the terms i am going to use below as i really dont know what im talking about as usual. im having trouble finding the exact location of the leak. it does not appear to be any hoses. the best i can trace the leak is that it is wet on a seam about three inches behind the seam that the water pump is mated to with those six or seven bolts on the passenger side. in other words there is the mating surfaces to which the water pump is bolted passenger side; then a few inches behind this is a seam. it appears that the coolant is coming out of this seam; leaking onto the oil pan seam; running back a couple of inches; dripping onto an engine mount; then onto the axle; then to the ground. is it possible this leak is actually from the water pump i dont know if a pressure test would help me as i was watching it drip but could not trace it any further up than i so eloquently stated above. steve .

From : roy

sure there was. never said there wasnt. im the one without a scratch roy. vbg valiant damage; left headlight trim poodle right headlight trim and grill pushed in about 1/2 at the valiant logo mule deer. btw that doe was just out of spots and would have dressed out to about 125-150# and the 3 waves in the right rear fender / broken taillight lens caddy budd standard poodle a little larger than a german shepard and being hit by a 81 caddy. . . and i never got a scratch. but those repeated impacts ah i think there might have been some damage.g roy .

From : mac davis

on mon 23 jan 2006 113657 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sun 22 jan 2006 112107 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote no rach i didnt pick a fight with it. just made a mistake happens every so often. one of the deals that come with any motor sport ya tumble. -- this time you came out quite well -- hope the golf ball if going down. you are right a few lumps and bumps was fortunate coulda been a lot worse. the swelling has gone done a bit but im sure feeling my age this morning.g roy so tell us bro.. how does it feel to be 90 *ducking* well bro.. i havent reached you age. actually feel pretty good managed to get my boots on and the plow on the truck so i guess ill go into work this afternoon and see how things go. if the swelling gets unbearable ill stay home for a day or two and stay off my feet. work yup you know the place where ya go and hang out for 8+ hours a day and they give ya moneynever enough to pay bills and buy toys i thought you did the railroad thing... for 36 years only 16 months to go i hope. how hard can it be to put your feet up on a desk it didnt work out that way last night. everything that could go wrong did. anyway i was on my feet all night and found by the end of the night i couldnt get up into a locomotive without a bunch of pain. it was real puffy this morning it may be more screwed up than i first thought. so this afternoon im going to get it x rayed and see what the doc has to say sue has been after me since it happened to get some pics taken so she will be happy. roy mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : roy

the dealer tells me that he has customers that report up to 30mpg with their trucks on the highway. he is absolutely flat-out lying to you. the only way youre going to see 30mpg is to get up to 70mph or so going downhill and reset the overhead computer. typical mileage ranges from 15-19 in mixed driving 18-22 highway and 13-16 towing. .

From : mac davis

like to see this on tv dale http//www.break.com/college/mcmasterdodge.html that was good!! roy .

From : rachel easson

http//www.beesinabottle.com/ram.jpg nuff said beekeep .

From : roy

neither of you were there neither of you know exactly what happened. and apparently neither of you have been a 64 valiant during an accident. budd id have to agree here. better to replace the car. id ruther walk away from a totalled vehicle than to be carried away on a stretcher from a car with little damage. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango budd cochran wrote total damage drivers seat back bent back one inch one cracked taillight lens one waved right rear fender and a slight twist to the bumper. 15 minutes with a power puller and the wave was gone from the fender. finally swapped out the /6 at over 350k miles for a fresh 100k engine. yeah sure those foreign cars are safe . . . . i wont own one and im not super comfortable with my 95 lebaron gtcmitsubishi v-6 german transaxle etc. for that matter. id rather have another old valiant or such. one point only... do we care about the car damage or the potential passenger injuries it is true that older cars took less impact damage... who then received the excess kinetic energy the reason newer cars get so easily totaled is that the cars absorb the kinetic energy and not the passengers. of course it was nice to have a car that would drive nicely after an accident and pay less for repairs hehe what about having to pay for the hospital bill and what about having to be in a hospital in the first place well that is my 0.02$... stelios .

From : rachel easson

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From : roy

budd cochran wrote total damage drivers seat back bent back one inch one cracked taillight lens one waved right rear fender and a slight twist to the bumper. 15 minutes with a power puller and the wave was gone from the fender. finally swapped out the /6 at over 350k miles for a fresh 100k engine. yeah sure those foreign cars are safe . . . . i wont own one and im not super comfortable with my 95 lebaron gtcmitsubishi v-6 german transaxle etc. for that matter. id rather have another old valiant or such. one point only... do we care about the car damage or the potential passenger injuries it is true that older cars took less impact damage... who then received the excess kinetic energy the reason newer cars get so easily totaled is that the cars absorb the kinetic energy and not the passengers. of course it was nice to have a car that would drive nicely after an accident and pay less for repairs hehe what about having to pay for the hospital bill and what about having to be in a hospital in the first place well that is my 0.02$... stelios . 222 310732 bad0b$43d41fe5$d860182e$18547@alltel.net no i wasnt there nor did i claim to be. but i did agree with the statement of the car absorbing more impact because of crumple zones being a good thing. you dont have to worry about any more of my responces because twice i have responded on simple comment to a thread you were in and twice with the attitude. so live well bud. may god be with you in your travels. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango neither of you were there neither of you know exactly what happened. and apparently neither of you have been a 64 valiant during an accident. budd id have to agree here. better to replace the car. id ruther walk away from a totalled vehicle than to be carried away on a stretcher from a car with little damage. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango budd cochran wrote total damage drivers seat back bent back one inch one cracked taillight lens one waved right rear fender and a slight twist to the bumper. 15 minutes with a power puller and the wave was gone from the fender. finally swapped out the /6 at over 350k miles for a fresh 100k engine. yeah sure those foreign cars are safe . . . . i wont own one and im not super comfortable with my 95 lebaron gtcmitsubishi v-6 german transaxle etc. for that matter. id rather have another old valiant or such. one point only... do we care about the car damage or the potential passenger injuries it is true that older cars took less impact damage... who then received the excess kinetic energy the reason newer cars get so easily totaled is that the cars absorb the kinetic energy and not the passengers. of course it was nice to have a car that would drive nicely after an accident and pay less for repairs hehe what about having to pay for the hospital bill and what about having to be in a hospital in the first place well that is my 0.02$... stelios .

From : roy

i got a concrete floor that the top layer on concrete maybe 1/4 thick has flaked off over the last few years. the largest spot is maybe the size of a basketball and the underlaying concrete seems to be very solid. i see that quickcrete has a cleaner to remove the accumulated grease/oil a bonding agent to make it stick better and a vinyl concrete overlayment mix that you just add water and trowel it on.. am i on the right track how many spots or areas are lifting probably 10-12 in all. its the area thats under the engine/trans area of the work stall that takes a beating. the wheels of the tranny jack catch in them and makes it a bitch to roll. just a few small ones your all set with the plan you outlined. you will get a laugh out of this. a friend and i went for a 20mile ride with the atvs. real nice 50 degree day not much wind at all the sun was out im sure ya get the picture. anyway on the way back running about 25mph along this trail it takes a hard left and turns up hill. my buddy is ahead of me and i see his rooster tail as he makes the turn and hits the gas i get there start the turn and nail it and the left front hooks a log and up and over we go. i jump but the friggin atv rolls and follows me and it rolls quicker than i can. actually it stops rolling when it lands on my right leg all 600 ponds of it. now ive got this damn thing pinning me im trying to kick it off me with my other leg and shut it off at the same timedamn thing was still running. finally shut it down and got it off me but man does the ankle hurt. call my buddy who hasnt a clue where the hell i am he figured i went straight as i was so far off the trail into the bushs he couldnt see me or my machinenot to be confused with the machine that mac has. gotta love those cell phones. we flipped it back onto its wheels no damage to the quad. in fact it fired right up. made it home without further bs other than getting hung up crossing a stream but i winched my friend out. now my ankle is out like a tennis ball hurts to walk but sue made plans for us to go out to some party tonight maybe with a few drinks ill feel better.g who the hell am i kidding in the morning i know all the bumps and bruises will be screaming. just a example why ya never ride these things alone and the need for a cell phone on vibrate cause ya cant hear them over the engine. roy damn you left so many openings that i just cant count them all. but in light of your probably broken ankle that youll have checked out tomorrow when you cant even hobble out to the couch ill be a gentleman.......... bfg i know you are careful when riding but remember not to do stupid things on them. thursday night a 27 year old guy from around here got killed riding an atv down a railroad track after dark with no lights on. he hit another atv coming at him with no lights on either. shit happens but being stupid is well...stupid. denny .

From : rachel easson

pjbuchanan.221e5u@no-mx.carstalk.net writes my husband was talking when he should have been thinking. he mistakenly put about 1 1/2 gal of reg gas in his diesel truck before he realized his mistake...then filled it up with diesel before bringing it home...what kind of problem do we have on our hands and what do we do to fix it thanks penny im no expert but if he *filled* the tank completely and theres only 1 gal of regular gas mixed in with a full 26 gallon tank of diesel fuel then i wouldnt worry about it for a moment. in some bitterly cold climates it was once common practice to mix a little regular gasoline with a tankful of diesel during the coldest months. .

From : roy

roy wrote for the games sunday the pats gave it to denver last week so im jumping on the steelers wagon with my floppy eared buddy. anybody else roy here we go steelers here we go! jam .